| 00:02.52 | reenoo | 'night all |
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| 01:25.42 | joshua_ | are there any plans to get the wifi monitor thing to let you select a wifi interface? |
| 01:25.56 | joshua_ | namely, on my hostap/prism2, it chooses the "wrong" one (wifi0 instead of wlan0) |
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| 03:12.41 | tpdd | just wondering if anyone had working alarms on an sl6000 |
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| 08:19.05 | hrhr | hi all |
| 08:19.21 | hrhr | can anybode tell me about koen's feed? |
| 08:19.42 | hrhr | i upgrade from it and many apps not works(( |
| 08:20.22 | hrhr | i think that happened because in feed all with dbus |
| 08:20.49 | hrhr | evince, minimo, gpdf not works |
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| 08:23.56 | florian_hrz | good morning |
| 08:24.23 | hrhr | morning |
| 08:24.44 | hrhr | florian: do you know about koen's feed? |
| 08:25.11 | florian_hrz | hrhr: hi... nit really, what's up with it? |
| 08:25.59 | hrhr | i upgrade from it my system and many apps not works |
| 08:26.22 | hrhr | i think that because all with dbus |
| 08:26.53 | florian_hrz | Do you get any error messages? |
| 08:27.40 | hrhr | once with libgcc1...gcc-locale-de not supported by i686 arc....i install it with -nodeps and all fine |
| 08:28.05 | hrhr | minimo say Segmentation foult |
| 08:28.11 | florian_hrz | oops |
| 08:28.15 | hrhr | evince not works |
| 08:28.18 | hrhr | what |
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| 08:29.00 | bedboi | hi there |
| 08:29.02 | florian_hrz | Minimo seems to be buggy at the moment, maybe gpe-mini-browser is the better choice at the moment. |
| 08:29.12 | florian_hrz | bedboi: hi! |
| 08:29.25 | bedboi | this night i wrote the architecture for the plugins |
| 08:29.34 | bedboi | the plugin handler |
| 08:29.37 | hrhr | florian: how about evince |
| 08:29.43 | hrhr | or gpdf |
| 08:31.04 | bedboi | florian_hrz: i really like the structure. writing a plugin is easy |
| 08:31.09 | hrhr | evince writs nothing |
| 08:31.12 | florian_hrz | hrhr: I rememger the pdf reader had some trouble with tk and fonts, but i don't know all the details. But koen should how up soon and i remember he played around with these himself. |
| 08:31.16 | bedboi | http://pastebin.com/376588 <-- dummy plugin |
| 08:31.32 | bedboi | you just compile it as a shared object -fPIC |
| 08:31.59 | bedboi | plugin_widget is the widget creator |
| 08:32.44 | bedboi | the DEFINE_* stuff hides details of the structure that is loaded by the plugin handler |
| 08:33.11 | bedboi | the cool stuff is that the code is so generic that you can re use it in any application |
| 08:33.36 | florian_hrz | bedboi: That's nice indeed! I guess we can use this in gpe-conf as well... |
| 08:33.47 | bedboi | ok |
| 08:33.59 | bedboi | i plan to use that in the device framework too |
| 08:34.19 | bedboi | all the stuff works |
| 08:34.20 | florian_hrz | bedboi: e.g. we could have some instance decide which config tools are available on a system and which not. |
| 08:34.33 | bedboi | yes |
| 08:34.58 | florian_hrz | bedboi: right... but first we need to fix the remaining bugs to kick out this release. |
| 08:35.42 | florian_hrz | bedboi: but anyway it should be really easy to modify the current gpe-today bits to become loadable plugins. |
| 08:35.43 | bedboi | florian_hrz: maybe i'll close this stuff in a library |
| 08:35.49 | bedboi | yes. |
| 08:35.53 | bedboi | florian_hrz: i'm doing it |
| 08:36.02 | hrhr | florian: i have some problem...may be it's bug?.....when i run look&feelfrom desktop - it not works, but when i run it from menu it works normally |
| 08:36.56 | florian_hrz | hrhr: Yes... thats one of the most mysterious bugs we ever had. It is fixed in current cvs - will be in the next release. |
| 08:37.10 | bedboi | where are gpe-today module UIs? |
| 08:39.12 | florian_hrz | bedboi: In todo.c, date.c and calendar.c they have some <module>_init function. |
| 08:39.56 | bedboi | ah i see |
| 08:40.03 | bedboi | there are extern variables |
| 08:40.30 | florian_hrz | bedboi: right... not clean, but it seems to work. |
| 08:40.48 | hrhr | florian: thx...gpe-mini-browser works fine |
| 08:41.42 | florian_hrz | bedboi: This plugin stuff is a reason to provide some information interface in device control as well so that plugins can use this too... e.g. to show wireless signal level and so on. |
| 08:42.12 | bedboi | yes, that's why i designed |
| 08:42.18 | bedboi | i had in mind the device controller |
| 08:42.50 | hrhr | florian: it not works with web pages whith are different with english (i'm Russian) |
| 08:44.27 | florian_hrz | hrhr: That might be related with the broken i18n support in OE. Can you specify what you mena with "not works"? |
| 08:44.43 | florian_hrz | s/mena/mean |
| 08:44.56 | hrhr | it not display any page content |
| 08:45.03 | florian_hrz | oh |
| 08:45.04 | bedboi | in calendar's case the widget to be added to the plugin is calendar.toplevel |
| 08:45.04 | hrhr | www.google.ru |
| 08:45.23 | hrhr | www.handhelds.org display normally |
| 08:45.47 | hrhr | any russian site it not display |
| 08:46.01 | hrhr | minimo was displaying |
| 08:46.10 | florian_hrz | bedboi: yes right... there are similar things for the two other modules. |
| 08:46.14 | hrhr | without russian chars |
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| 08:46.42 | florian_hrz | hrhr: okay... then it is more likely that this is a bug in GtkWebcore rendering engine. |
| 08:46.47 | florian_hrz | koen: good morning |
| 08:46.59 | koen | hey florian_hrz |
| 08:47.09 | koen | florian_hrz: I modified the foxbox .bb a bit |
| 08:47.15 | hrhr | koen:hi |
| 08:47.20 | koen | hey hrhr |
| 08:48.23 | florian_hrz | hrhr: Can you file a bug against gpe-mini-browser? Philippe might know more about that issue, if not we can ask the GtkWebcore developers about this. |
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| 08:48.38 | florian_hrz | koen: sounds good... what did you change? |
| 08:48.42 | koen | florian_hrz: it now depends on the smooth engine from gtk-engines |
| 08:49.10 | florian_hrz | koen: okay... |
| 08:51.22 | hrhr | florian: /query florian_hrz |
| 08:51.27 | hrhr | ? |
| 08:53.20 | florian_hrz | hrhr: wait a second.. i can't answer, query florian_kc |
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| 09:00.06 | florian_kc | pb_: good morning |
| 09:00.13 | florian_kc | zecke: hi |
| 09:00.47 | koen | hey pb_ & zecke |
| 09:03.55 | bedboi | florian_kc: it's really simple to convert modules to plugin |
| 09:04.11 | bedboi | cut and paste and some tweaking |
| 09:04.49 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 09:04.49 | bedboi | right now i have segmentation fault but i converted calendar module to a shared object |
| 09:05.27 | florian_kc | bedboi: does it segfault when you close it? |
| 09:06.30 | hrhr | florian_kc: also i have bug in gpe-irc...when i press smile or chat button it crashed and write segmentation foult |
| 09:07.48 | florian_kc | hrhr: nasty... gpe-irc is not really maintained at the moment :-( try gaim... it is adapted to the pda screen size pretty well. |
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| 09:10.28 | hrhr1 | from gaim |
| 09:10.35 | zecke | hey |
| 09:10.55 | hrhr | лалала |
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| 09:11.39 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 09:12.38 | bedboi | florian_kc: nope |
| 09:12.41 | bedboi | florian_kc: on loading |
| 09:12.53 | hrhr | but it not normally adapted to the pda screen...when i add new account i hav small line with scrolling and i need scroll it for write all filds |
| 09:13.05 | bedboi | _dl_out_of_memory |
| 09:13.10 | bedboi | this is in the backtrace |
| 09:13.21 | bedboi | maybe i have to compile it differently |
| 09:13.26 | florian_kc | bedboi: okay... i asked because i noticed that it seems to segfault from time to time when you close it. |
| 09:14.15 | florian_kc | hrhr: maybe check if we have two different versions (e.g. one named gaim-gpe or somethign like that) |
| 09:14.30 | bedboi | florian_kc: it segfaults here:for (i = 0; (ev = (event_t) g_slist_nth_data(events, i)); i++) |
| 09:14.31 | bedboi | calendar_add_event(ev); |
| 09:14.32 | koen | gaim 2.0 is the thing to have |
| 09:14.36 | hrhr | i use from koen's feed |
| 09:15.03 | koen | I guess hrhr ran into http://handhelds.org/~bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1404 |
| 09:15.31 | hrhr | koen: after upgrade from your feed i have not workable evince and minimo =( |
| 09:15.56 | koen | has minimo ever worked? |
| 09:16.52 | bedboi | refresh_event_markup(cal); <-- here |
| 09:16.54 | hrhr | yes |
| 09:17.09 | florian_kc | oops |
| 09:17.26 | hrhr | koen: it was working in pH5 build and installed from 0.8.2 feed |
| 09:17.42 | koen | gpe-mini-browser is better anyway :) |
| 09:17.48 | hrhr | ))) |
| 09:18.03 | hrhr | it not load any not english content |
| 09:18.41 | bedboi | cool: Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction. |
| 09:19.45 | hrhr | koen: what about evince? it works on your system? |
| 09:20.22 | koen | I think it does |
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| 09:24.11 | bedboi | cool i also have bus error |
| 09:24.56 | florian_kc | bedboi: thats a good start for a bug collection ;-) |
| 09:25.07 | bedboi | COOOOOL |
| 09:25.08 | bedboi | it works |
| 09:25.20 | bedboi | wait |
| 09:25.27 | koen | scap! scap! scap! |
| 09:26.15 | bedboi | 193.204.59.123/calendar_plugin.png |
| 09:27.00 | bedboi | it's a proof of concept but it works |
| 09:27.01 | koen | nice |
| 09:27.49 | pb_ | florian_kc: good morning |
| 09:27.52 | florian_kc | very nice! |
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| 09:30.12 | bedboi | yey it works |
| 09:30.33 | hrhr | koen: gimp - the great thing on hx4700!!!....i shocked |
| 09:36.29 | bedboi | i have other ideas |
| 09:36.38 | bedboi | a more generic skeleton |
| 09:37.13 | bedboi | you write the layout of the page and then you specify where to load the plugin |
| 09:37.42 | bedboi | so you can have complex stuff all generated at runtime |
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| 09:41.58 | florian_kc | hmm... |
| 10:01.02 | bedboi | what's up? |
| 10:03.55 | chipi | 'morning |
| 10:04.06 | hrhr | florian: what device you have? |
| 10:04.21 | florian_kc | I guess i need to hurry up to go to KC... KC means frresh coffee! :-) |
| 10:04.46 | florian_kc | hrhr: A pile of different ones... currently i fight an iPaq h5550. |
| 10:07.30 | hrhr | florian_kc: what is Plucker? when i try to run this app, i see file-choose dialog and crashed app=/ |
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| 10:12.37 | bedboi | AY |
| 10:12.46 | bedboi | i converted todo to a plugin |
| 10:12.50 | bedboi | just copy and paste |
| 10:12.57 | bedboi | and added the DEFINE_* |
| 10:14.10 | bedboi | 193.204.59.123/todo_calendar.png |
| 10:15.22 | bedboi | http://pastebin.com/376633 <-- this is the code |
| 10:17.02 | bedboi | http://pastebin.com/376636 <- better |
| 10:18.01 | florian_kc | hrhr: it is used to open pluker ebook files. th ui is crappy, but we are working on this. |
| 10:19.02 | florian_kc | bedboi: cool |
| 10:19.20 | bedboi | florian_kc: it is very simple |
| 10:19.42 | bedboi | porting todo was really easy |
| 10:19.42 | florian_kc | bedboi: heh... i was just about to mention the same. :-) |
| 10:20.06 | bedboi | i just added the DEFINE_* stuff at the end of the code |
| 10:20.17 | bedboi | and changed the todo_init signature |
| 10:20.28 | bedboi | in order to return the widget |
| 10:21.24 | florian_kc | yep... thats treally easy... |
| 10:31.07 | bedboi | we can do a simple plugin to show all birthdays of contacts |
| 10:31.47 | bedboi | if the birthday is within a certain range |
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| 10:38.20 | reenoo | morning |
| 10:38.26 | bedboi | hi there reenoo |
| 10:38.36 | bedboi | i followed your advice using GModule |
| 10:39.00 | reenoo | hey bedboi |
| 10:39.07 | reenoo | got it to work? |
| 10:39.11 | bedboi | yes |
| 10:39.19 | reenoo | cool |
| 10:39.21 | bedboi | 193.204.59.123/todo_calendar.png |
| 10:46.10 | pb_ | dc_: morning |
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| 10:48.38 | florian_kc | re |
| 10:48.53 | koen|away | hey florian_kc |
| 11:17.11 | reenoo | koen: btw, aptitude install gpg-agent pinentry-gtk2 |
| 11:23.17 | koen | reenoo|lunch: what does that do? |
| 11:24.29 | koen | powerbook-wlan:~ koen$ aptitude install gpg-agent pinentry-gtk2 |
| 11:24.29 | koen | -bash: aptitude: command not found |
| 11:33.45 | mickeyl | aptitude is a frontend for apt |
| 11:33.55 | koen | I know |
| 11:34.01 | koen | I was just being obnoxious |
| 11:34.06 | mickeyl | ah |
| 11:34.11 | mickeyl | :) |
| 11:34.20 | koen | I do have apt on my osx box :) |
| 11:34.31 | mickeyl | i want an osx box, as well |
| 11:34.46 | mickeyl | but my wife doesn't allow any more expenses |
| 11:34.55 | koen | an ibook is on;y slighty more expensive as a clamshell |
| 11:35.54 | mickeyl | i want a powerbook |
| 11:37.28 | koen | mickeyl: on http://www.apple.com/de/ click on "schule & uni" and after that on "store" |
| 11:37.37 | koen | suddenly everything is at least 6% cheaper :) |
| 11:37.39 | mickeyl | ah excellent |
| 11:38.25 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 11:38.37 | mickeyl | 2619 for the 17 inch |
| 11:38.54 | koen | the 17 is too big for a laptop |
| 11:38.56 | koen | IMO |
| 11:39.17 | mickeyl | yeah, that's more of a desktop surrogate |
| 11:39.47 | mickeyl | what is "superdrive" ? |
| 11:40.53 | koen | dvd-r(w) writer |
| 11:41.01 | mickeyl | ah. i can do without. |
| 11:41.16 | reenoo | koen: dude. you're not building packages you want to upload to unstable on OSX, are you? |
| 11:41.34 | koen | and memory is 50% cheaper when you buy it from kingston |
| 11:41.42 | koen | reenoo: not yet |
| 11:41.56 | koen | reenoo: my buildbox is in the serverroom at the uni |
| 11:43.56 | hrhr | koen: i try to reinstall evince two times, but i have the same result...it not working... |
| 11:55.49 | bedboi | back |
| 11:57.38 | bedboi | koen: what's the ipk you built with the hacked day_view ? |
| 11:58.31 | koen | bedboi: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/deploy/ipk/gpe-calendar_0.65-r0_armv5te.ipk |
| 11:58.44 | bedboi | thanks |
| 12:00.50 | bedboi | what about a widget for drawing stuff (as sketchbook)? |
| 12:01.31 | bedboi | i think it would be cool to switch between a text box and a drawing box |
| 12:02.47 | koen | like wince has? |
| 12:02.51 | bedboi | and you can also write a widget to do this |
| 12:02.52 | bedboi | yes |
| 12:03.00 | koen | that'd be nice |
| 12:03.09 | bedboi | a widget that inherit by drawing box |
| 12:03.49 | bedboi | so first step is writing the drawing box widget |
| 12:04.01 | bedboi | (no idea about how to do it at the moment) |
| 12:05.49 | koen | bedboi: are the patches for gpe-calendar ready to be included in cvs? |
| 12:06.09 | bedboi | quite, btw i have to fix the bug you found |
| 12:06.35 | bedboi | i have to find out what's the issue |
| 12:08.38 | bedboi | what i have to force to ipkg install your package? |
| 12:09.03 | bedboi | -force-reinstall and what? |
| 12:10.00 | koen | -force-depends |
| 12:10.18 | bedboi | o |
| 12:10.19 | bedboi | ok |
| 12:10.41 | bedboi | the category color stuff is easy to implement |
| 12:11.01 | bedboi | btw i need someone to hack category library (don't know how it's called) |
| 12:11.33 | bedboi | maybe libgpepimc |
| 12:12.12 | bedboi | yes it seems |
| 12:20.55 | bedboi | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.11 | bedboi | it reinstalled gpe-calendar |
| 12:21.27 | bedboi | but it doesn't seem to be the new version |
| 12:26.09 | koen | bedboi: I rebuilt the ipkg with the lastest .bz2 from your computer |
| 12:27.50 | bedboi | wait |
| 12:27.54 | bedboi | that's not the last |
| 12:28.42 | bedboi | refresh |
| 12:28.53 | bedboi | (http://193.204.59.123/gpe-calendar.tar.bz2) |
| 12:30.40 | bedboi | what about gpe bits earned from summer of code projects? |
| 12:31.04 | bedboi | is there something really usable (i know gaim works!) |
| 12:31.16 | koen | gpe-opensync works too |
| 12:32.37 | bedboi | cool |
| 12:32.48 | bedboi | koen: are you rebuilding stuff? |
| 12:33.04 | koen | already done :) |
| 12:33.56 | bedboi | cool |
| 12:34.17 | bedboi | so i reinstall |
| 12:34.40 | bedboi | same url |
| 12:34.45 | koen | yes |
| 12:34.51 | bedboi | oki |
| 12:36.01 | koen | it scrolls a bit smoother |
| 12:36.09 | koen | now the reminders don't get redrawn |
| 12:39.22 | bedboi | yep |
| 12:40.01 | bedboi | i splitted expose callback |
| 12:42.04 | bedboi | koen are you sure the url is correct? |
| 12:42.10 | bedboi | http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/deploy/ipk/gpe-calendar_0.65-r0_armv5te.ipk |
| 12:42.14 | koen | yes |
| 12:42.20 | bedboi | hmmm |
| 12:42.23 | koen | I pasted your cmdline into my ipaq |
| 12:42.36 | bedboi | grr |
| 12:43.36 | bedboi | i'll wget it |
| 12:48.34 | bedboi | it seems that update_hook signal doesn't arrive |
| 12:50.01 | bedboi | maybe there's some problem with new gtk |
| 12:50.42 | koen | 2.6.7, 2.6.10 or 2.8.3? |
| 12:50.47 | bedboi | eheh |
| 12:50.49 | bedboi | don't know |
| 12:52.36 | bedboi | i'll try to xcompile it with florian's sdk |
| 12:53.13 | florian_kc | re |
| 12:54.15 | bedboi | hey florian_kc |
| 12:54.20 | koen | hey florian_kc |
| 12:56.36 | florian_kc | bedboi: I just compiled the calendar stuff... very good. There are two minor issues... only some pixels... |
| 12:56.53 | bedboi | tell me |
| 12:57.17 | koen | florian_kc: for gpe 2.7: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350 |
| 12:58.14 | bedboi | brb |
| 12:58.16 | bedboi | food |
| 13:01.11 | florian_kc | bedboi: http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/files/gpe-calendar-bigscreen.png |
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| 13:03.16 | koen | florian_kc: is it possible to show multiple months in side pane? |
| 13:03.57 | florian_kc | bedboi: The position of the time text on the left would look way better if it would be centered in the field in both dimensions and the bell icon might want one pixel space between it and the cell border. |
| 13:04.01 | florian_kc | hi shiyee_ipaq |
| 13:04.31 | florian_kc | koen: not yet, but i can imagine we could implement this some time. |
| 13:04.35 | shiyee_ipaq | hi koen, have you had a chance to try the new patch? |
| 13:04.39 | shiyee_ipaq | hi florian_kc |
| 13:04.46 | florian_kc | but first we want to make a release! |
| 13:05.34 | florian_kc | koen: i'll take a look... |
| 13:07.25 | florian_kc | koen: okay yes... i don't see a reason why we don't wnat this, please check this in. |
| 13:07.50 | koen | shiyee_ipaq: building it now |
| 13:08.09 | koen | florian_kc: check what in? |
| 13:08.25 | shiyee_ipaq | nice... nag me hard if it borks |
| 13:08.48 | florian_kc | hmm wait |
| 13:09.18 | reenoo | *yawn* |
| 13:09.53 | reenoo | koen: the point was that with gpg-agent you could sign as many packages as you want without entering your passphrase every time |
| 13:10.07 | bedboi | back |
| 13:10.08 | reenoo | koen: I'm sure it's available for OSX as well |
| 13:10.33 | koen | reenoo: the main problem is that my buildbox is headless |
| 13:10.35 | florian_kc | koen: your patch to improve the foxbox bb |
| 13:10.56 | bedboi | florian_kc: it makes sense |
| 13:12.16 | reenoo | ugh |
| 13:12.43 | reenoo | koen: regarding #350.. don't reformat .bbs that way |
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| 13:13.57 | reenoo | koen: it looks ugly depending on tab size and generates an unneccessarily large diff |
| 13:16.21 | koen | I didn't realise tab sizes could change |
| 13:17.20 | florian_kc | They can... definitely :-) |
| 13:17.57 | koen | that would explain some weirdness I was seeing |
| 13:18.00 | bedboi | florian_kc: iirc there's some pango spell to center the text |
| 13:18.02 | reenoo | koen: general rule of thumb: never ever change indentation once something is checked in |
| 13:18.27 | reenoo | koen: and avoid tabs or unnecessary whitespace |
| 13:18.51 | bedboi | pango_layout_set_alignment maybe this |
| 13:18.56 | reenoo | koen: there's no point in aligning variables |
| 13:19.13 | koen | it makes it a lot easier to read for me at least |
| 13:19.41 | reenoo | regardless. it creates huge diffs |
| 13:19.51 | reenoo | which is a bad thing by definition |
| 13:20.45 | florian_kc | reenoo: I wouldn's say "no point"... a properly indented file is easier to read... but i'd suggest not to use tabs for that purpose and not to change existing files. |
| 13:21.05 | reenoo | florian_kc: no. add a variable that happens to be longer than the rest and you'll have to re-indent everything... |
| 13:21.17 | reenoo | creating a 100% diff |
| 13:21.39 | reenoo | there's no way to quickly spot the actual change in the diff |
| 13:22.33 | florian_kc | reenoo: if you want to make this 100% clear you can always make two separate changes. |
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| 13:23.41 | reenoo | and say "screw you" to everyone with local changes? |
| 13:23.55 | koen | hey mallum |
| 13:24.08 | reenoo | florian_kc: no automated tool (think merging here) can deal with that |
| 13:24.24 | mallum | hey koen |
| 13:25.07 | reenoo | florian_kc: no matter how you put it. keeping things as they are is the way to go: VAR = "value" |
| 13:25.15 | reenoo | nothing else |
| 13:28.47 | florian_kc | reenoo: hmm well... local changes are always a source of trouble. But in this context it is a matter of what you prefer... |
| 13:28.55 | bedboi | ok, now it's centered on the x axis |
| 13:29.13 | florian_kc | bedboi: cool |
| 13:29.43 | reenoo | florian_kc: no |
| 13:30.02 | bedboi | florian_kc: don't know how to do it vertially |
| 13:30.11 | reenoo | florian_kc: patch and tools based on it can deal with one-line changes just fine in the average case |
| 13:30.44 | reenoo | florian_kc: re-indenting breaks that which is why it should be avoided |
| 13:31.09 | bedboi | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.3667.png |
| 13:32.56 | florian_kc | bedboi: that looks good :-) |
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| 13:34.01 | florian_kc | reenoo: diff and patch can even handle whitespace chages pretty well, but the tools don't make use of this feature. |
| 13:35.14 | bedboi | florian_kc: what about the bell? |
| 13:35.56 | bedboi | koen: did you noticed that autoscroll to 7:00 am works? |
| 13:36.06 | koen | I did |
| 13:36.09 | koen | pretty sweet |
| 13:36.22 | bedboi | i still have to find out why it doesn't send the update_hook signal |
| 13:40.04 | bedboi | i really don't know why on the ipaq i have that behaviour on startup |
| 13:41.51 | bedboi | and on pc it's all good |
| 13:45.56 | florian_kc | bedboi: Looks good imho. |
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| 13:46.20 | bedboi | florian_kc: on the pc |
| 13:46.23 | bedboi | try it on the ipaq |
| 13:48.10 | koen | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.5077.png http://handhelds.org/scap/port.5298.png |
| 13:48.18 | koen | gpe-login with two different themes |
| 13:50.50 | florian_kc | koen: look like they are missing the entry size bits, maybe check gtkrc from angelistic theme. |
| 13:51.25 | koen | doesn't gtk have a 'atutomatic' function for that? |
| 13:51.47 | koen | It seems a bit strange that widget can go beyond the window borders |
| 13:53.09 | bedboi | hmmmm |
| 13:55.10 | koen | ah. much better |
| 13:55.19 | koen | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.5896.png |
| 13:55.43 | reenoo | nice |
| 13:57.38 | florian_kc | yep... much better :-) |
| 13:57.57 | bedboi | doh, there's a subtle bug |
| 13:58.14 | bedboi | if you change view the whole thing messes up |
| 13:58.46 | florian_kc | Hmm.. what pxa270 based devices do we have in oe? |
| 14:01.32 | koen | hx4700, hx2750, sl3xxx, sl1000 |
| 14:02.35 | florian_kc | ah thanks... ah and that mainstone board. |
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| 14:07.28 | koen | florian_kc: it indeed was the 'gpe specific' part of angelistic that did the trick |
| 14:08.21 | koen | heh |
| 14:08.29 | koen | I just notices gpe-login still uses the old logo |
| 14:10.52 | florian_kc | hey zoot |
| 14:11.04 | zoot | hey |
| 14:11.15 | zoot | thats my hand :) |
| 14:11.30 | florian_kc | koen: hmm thats strange... imho we don't ship the old logo anymore. |
| 14:11.35 | florian_kc | zoot: :-) |
| 14:11.37 | koen | zoot: :) |
| 14:14.57 | koen | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.5896.png |
| 14:15.12 | koen | that will save some neck stretching |
| 14:17.10 | hrhr | koen: these scrinshots are from hx4700?? |
| 14:17.34 | koen | hrhr: h5550 |
| 14:18.02 | hrhr | =[ |
| 14:18.19 | koen | and industrial: http://handhelds.org/scap/land.7654.png |
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| 14:32.06 | JiniDog | gpe-vlc does not compile for me, as mplayer |
| 14:35.13 | JiniDog | shall I bugreport, post in #oe or simple give up hope? |
| 14:36.05 | koen | 1) |
| 14:38.32 | JiniDog | to which bugzilla? I would think the mplayer problem to openembedded and the gpe-vlc problem to gpe? |
| 14:38.47 | koen | both to OE |
| 14:39.07 | koen | vlc-gpe is 99% identical to upstream vlc |
| 14:39.20 | koen | and even if it wasn't, it's a OE build problem |
| 14:40.33 | JiniDog | ok |
| 14:43.29 | koen | hrhr: this in on hx4700: http://handhelds.org/scap/land.8822.png |
| 14:44.11 | lucasvo | koen: I do not like the keyboard from hx4700 it is to small, or the tabletpc is too big |
| 14:44.17 | lucasvo | koen: where can one change it? |
| 14:45.10 | hrhr | koen: coooool |
| 14:45.36 | koen | lucasvo: afaik you can't change the size |
| 14:45.42 | koen | matchbox-keyboard might be nicer |
| 14:46.04 | hrhr | can you give me package for themezed login? |
| 14:46.19 | lucasvo | hrhr: hx4700 rocks |
| 14:46.22 | lucasvo | :D |
| 14:46.33 | lucasvo | matchbox-keyboard? |
| 14:46.39 | koen | change /etc/X11/gpe-login.gtkr to |
| 14:46.39 | koen | gtk-font-name = "Sans 8" |
| 14:46.39 | koen | include "/usr/share/themes/Clearlooks/gtk-2.0/gtkrc" |
| 14:46.42 | koen | that's all |
| 14:46.56 | lucasvo | koen: for keyboard? |
| 14:47.07 | hrhr | no 4 login |
| 14:47.42 | hrhr | just a moment |
| 14:49.16 | hrhr | koen: thx all fine=)) |
| 14:58.24 | hrhr | ...not all fine....only one theme...default gtk |
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| 15:14.11 | The_Ace | Hi does the gpe calibrate script default to /dev/input/event0? |
| 15:18.22 | florian_kc | The_Ace: the tool itself reads from an environment setting... on which device does it fail? |
| 15:19.22 | The_Ace | (Using a iPAQ 1940) When booting a gpe image I get to the first calibration screen, but the touchscreen won't react on stylus. |
| 15:19.56 | The_Ace | by cat'ing /dev/input/event0 & event1 i only get data from event1 while touching the screen |
| 15:20.15 | florian_kc | ah okay... |
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| 15:21.49 | koen | gpe should use detect-stylus to get the correct ts |
| 15:22.04 | florian_kc | Sounds like some detection fails... |
| 15:22.05 | The_Ace | wow it actually worked. I removed event0 any symlinked event1 to event0; now it works |
| 15:22.12 | koen | could be the h1940 people messed up the image |
| 15:22.34 | The_Ace | problably ;) |
| 15:42.34 | florian_kc | koen|away: Doesn't the orinoco driver in hh ipaq kernel support monitor mode anymore? |
| 15:44.45 | hrhr | florian: how i can use pcmcia cards on CF slot of my IPAQ |
| 15:44.47 | hrhr | ? |
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| 15:46.50 | koen | florian_kc: I always use the external modules |
| 15:47.21 | florian_kc | hrhr: hmm... pcmcia cards won't fit into a cf slot... i'm not aware of an adapter for this purpose. for cf cards in a pcmcia slot there a cheap adapters. |
| 15:47.50 | florian_kc | koen: then this one might cause this trouble... scanning mode works but not monitor mode. |
| 15:50.11 | hrhr | florian: =/...do you know where ican found cf cards which works normal with linux on ipaq and it sheep's to Russia? |
| 15:51.20 | florian_kc | hrhr: What kind of CF cards? |
| 15:51.28 | hrhr | wifi-cf |
| 15:51.40 | hrhr | for my hx4700.... |
| 15:54.24 | florian_kc | Oh isn't there any driver for the hx4700 internal wlan in progress? |
| 15:54.43 | koen | development has been shelved for a few weeks |
| 15:54.59 | koen | sdg is porting linux to the recon right now |
| 15:55.19 | lucasvo | koen: what means to the recon right now ? :D |
| 15:55.34 | koen | a recon is another pda |
| 15:55.40 | hrhr | but we haven't any worable driver (( |
| 15:55.48 | hrhr | *workable |
| 15:56.04 | florian_kc | koen: hrm nasty... why this? |
| 15:56.15 | koen | http://www.tdsway.com/products/recon |
| 15:56.38 | koen | florian_kc: I think the recon costumer pays better |
| 15:56.55 | koen | so that'll get priority over the hx |
| 15:57.29 | reenoo | hmm. looks expensive |
| 15:57.34 | hrhr | fuck....fuck....fuck |
| 15:57.42 | florian_kc | uh looks ugly ;-) |
| 15:57.59 | koen | check the video of the recon in the fish tank |
| 15:58.52 | hrhr | it's fucking recon ... |
| 15:59.26 | hrhr | koen: have you firmware files for hx4700's wifi adapter? |
| 16:00.07 | lucasvo | hrhr: yes |
| 16:00.35 | lucasvo | how much do they earn for hx4700 port ? :D |
| 16:00.46 | hrhr | lover@rbcmail.ru plz send me it |
| 16:01.51 | reenoo | ~praise procmail |
| 16:01.53 | ibot | All hail procmail! |
| 16:02.17 | reenoo | killfiles work wonders :) |
| 16:04.07 | bedboi | what's killfiles? |
| 16:05.47 | lucasvo | bedboi: maybe pid file? |
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| 16:34.07 | _law_ | hey |
| 16:35.08 | koen | hey _law_ |
| 16:36.34 | florian_kc | hi _law_ |
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| 16:53.00 | _law_ | any news on gpe since the last 2 week? |
| 16:56.07 | florian_kc | _law_: some bugfixes and bedboi is making good progress with gpe-calendar and gpe-today updates. |
| 16:58.36 | lucasvo | florian_kc: yes, bedboi has some cool things in development |
| 17:00.24 | reenoo | bedboi: like this: |
| 17:00.26 | reenoo | :0 : |
| 17:00.26 | reenoo | * ? grep -qif $HOME/.procmail/killfile |
| 17:00.32 | reenoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.35 | reenoo | I'm also considering white-list filtering stuff that's allowed to go into my inbox |
| 17:12.53 | reenoo | koen: how much space does the clearlooks theme consume? |
| 17:15.54 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 17:31.44 | lucasvo | 8654 |
| 17:31.44 | lucasvo | 34 |
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| 17:50.45 | florian | re |
| 17:53.14 | pb_ | florian: good evening |
| 17:55.41 | bedboi | hi there |
| 17:58.23 | florian | hi pb_, hi bedboi |
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| 19:32.55 | florian | pb_: wb |
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| 19:33.23 | pb_ | re |
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| 19:38.03 | florian | Hrm... it seems to be not the best idea to sell stuff at ebay :-/ |
| 19:50.07 | reenoo | hey pb_ |
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| 19:52.22 | pb_ | hi reenoo |
| 19:52.28 | pb_ | florian: heh, why's that? |
| 19:53.53 | florian | pb_: Looks like currently eBay lacks people buying stuff... or at least in comparison with the amount of stuff which is on sale there. |
| 19:56.20 | pb_ | ah, I see |
| 19:56.31 | pb_ | that does sound like a problem |
| 19:57.17 | lucasvo | florian: no it is just because much people try to sell their rubbish and it doesn't works. but why is that a problem? |
| 19:57.35 | lucasvo | florian: ebay is earning from those people |
| 19:58.55 | florian | lucasvo: yeah... that's the point. imho they earn a little bit too much. |
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| 20:05.56 | mimecar | evening... |
| 20:07.37 | lucasvo | florian: a usergroup? |
| 20:08.02 | lucasvo | florian: maybe I should subscribe in that case :D |
| 20:08.11 | lucasvo | florian: what do you wan't to sell? |
| 20:09.11 | florian | hi mimecar |
| 20:09.20 | lucasvo | hi mimecar |
| 20:09.31 | mimecar | hi florian and lucasvo |
| 20:11.11 | florian | lucasvo: nothing really interesting to many people anymore. i need to get rid of some ancient mac (68k), an old sparcstation and some historic photo stuff. |
| 20:11.22 | lucasvo | florian: aha |
| 20:13.48 | mimecar | florian: 68k from motorola ? |
| 20:14.05 | reenoo | florian: should have taken a train to Oldenburg and sold it there ;) |
| 20:15.40 | florian | mimecar: yes.. i think so. |
| 20:16.10 | mimecar | evince runs on zaurus sl-5500 :) |
| 20:16.25 | mimecar | florian: that microprocessor is an olf friend |
| 20:16.47 | florian | reenoo: hehe... maybe ;-) But i don't think there are many 68k or Sparc hackers left ;-) |
| 20:16.57 | reenoo | heh |
| 20:17.07 | florian | mimecar: it is known to be a good designed one... :-) |
| 20:17.18 | reenoo | the main hacking room was full of m68k and sparc machines |
| 20:17.28 | mimecar | is the "brain" of megadrive |
| 20:19.50 | mimecar | what would be the best platform |
| 20:20.06 | mimecar | nokia 770 or the latest model of zaurus / pocket pc ? |
| 20:21.40 | florian | Personally i'd prefer the 770 because of its good screen and low price. but a hx4700 might be good as well. |
| 20:22.26 | mimecar | I won't buy any gadget currently |
| 20:22.31 | mimecar | (no money) |
| 20:23.23 | mimecar | but nokia 770 hasn't keyboard, hasn't it ? |
| 20:24.13 | florian | Someone just released some description to connect a bluetooth keyboard. |
| 20:25.03 | mimecar | battery would low fast ? |
| 20:25.40 | mimecar | with bluetooh |
| 20:29.02 | florian | maybe... but bluetooth shouldn't be as bad as wlan. and additional batteries for the 770 are cheap and easy to get. |
| 20:29.59 | mimecar | I wish nokia give us more accesories |
| 20:30.25 | mimecar | zaurus accesories are not easy to find |
| 20:30.55 | florian | yeah... i wish i had some idea about their plans |
| 20:32.07 | mimecar | make money ;) |
| 20:33.54 | florian | hrm... i should do this too |
| 20:34.12 | reenoo | heh |
| 20:34.18 | pb_ | florian: ingenious plan |
| 20:35.08 | reenoo | florian: didn't you do a business card template a while back? url? |
| 20:36.54 | florian | pb_: hmm... maybe we should do it in the same way... Is Mike still alive? ;-) |
| 20:37.04 | pb_ | hehe |
| 20:37.14 | pb_ | actually, I saw Wookey last night, and we were wondering the same thing. |
| 20:37.34 | pb_ | I have a meeting with Nick Healey sometime next week (I think). I wonder if he has heard from Mike lately. |
| 20:37.58 | florian | reenoo: hmm yes... well... similar... wait... |
| 20:38.34 | florian | pb_: oh cool... i didn't hear from any of them for ages! |
| 20:39.01 | pb_ | me neither |
| 20:39.17 | pb_ | I was a bit shocked when I realised that it is nearly a year since that project finished. |
| 20:39.25 | florian | pb_: Incuding fluff... i didn't get an answer to my question about the kernel source. |
| 20:39.25 | mimecar | good night |
| 20:39.29 | florian | mickeyl|bbl: gn |
| 20:40.08 | pb_ | I think wookey was going to try to get an answer from Chris Jakob about the kernel stuff. |
| 20:40.09 | florian | pb_: yes indeed... |
| 20:40.55 | florian | pb_: ah cool... some "official" statement would be good. Is he still at Psion? |
| 20:41.55 | pb_ | I'm not sure. He was (famously) laid off when the LX got canned, but I think he managed to get himself re-hired a month or two later. |
| 20:44.41 | florian | reenoo: the gpe-card.svg in cvs marketing dir might be what you want. |
| 20:45.25 | florian | reenoo: waiit... did i hear _bored_? Whats the status of the screenshot tool? |
| 20:45.45 | florian | btw.. |
| 20:45.49 | florian | ~lart Psion |
| 20:45.57 | pb_ | heh |
| 20:46.21 | reenoo | bored, yeah. hacking with only one hand sucks. (I burned my left hand while cocking this evening) |
| 20:46.36 | florian | reenoo: oops! |
| 20:47.40 | reenoo | cooking even |
| 20:47.42 | reenoo | heh |
| 20:48.17 | koen | speaking of psion, they still haven't sent my a netbook pro |
| 20:48.31 | florian | koen: :-/ |
| 20:48.58 | pb_ | koen: heh, were they supposed to? |
| 20:49.07 | reenoo | as far as gpe-screenshot is concerned. it's mostly done. I'll need to finish/rewrite parts of the error handling though |
| 20:49.29 | koen | it was actually hard-data.com, and yes, they were supposed to |
| 20:50.08 | koen | they had a 'netbook running linux from a previous project' |
| 20:50.10 | reenoo | and I'm considering ditching the uploading script (modified scap.sh) and write that part in C |
| 20:50.11 | florian | pb_: I just noticed that i still have a pile of UI changes for gpe-sketchbook in my cvs tree... i'm just trying to make its ui look and feel like all the other gpe apps. |
| 20:50.42 | florian | koen: I can't imagine where this is from ;-) |
| 20:51.01 | pb_ | florian: oh, right, cool. |
| 20:51.06 | pb_ | what's luc's disposition these days? |
| 20:51.26 | florian | reenoo: I'm convinced that i'll use this tool frequently :-) |
| 20:52.21 | koen | reenoo: clearlook engine +theme is 40kb combined (ipk size) |
| 20:52.23 | florian | pb_: Good question... he vanished in Finland about half a year ago. |
| 20:52.51 | reenoo | koen: and extracted? |
| 20:53.34 | koen | reenoo: no idea, I'll check tomorrow |
| 20:53.46 | pb_ | florian: hm, that sounds unfortunate. Oh well, I guess you should go ahead and check in your changes. |
| 20:53.51 | koen | florian: the last mail from luc to me was on 8-6-2005 |
| 20:53.58 | reenoo | koen: ok. thanks |
| 20:54.05 | florian | The last i noticed were some mails about maemo project packages he was maintining... |
| 20:54.07 | koen | I'll poke him soon :) |
| 20:54.20 | florian | koen: ah... oh... thats not that long ago. |
| 20:54.37 | pb_ | well, that's still nearly four months |
| 20:54.56 | koen | florian: I sent him a dutch copy of le petit prince, and he still wants to sent something back :) |
| 20:55.46 | florian | Currently everyone involved in Nokia 770 project seems to be _really_ busy. They don't even seem to post to their own mailinglists anymore... |
| 20:56.13 | pb_ | bbiab |
| 20:56.30 | florian | pb_: I'll check these changes in as soon as they work properly on all sorts of different displays. |
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| 21:22.20 | pb_ | florian: okay, cool |
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| 21:24.22 | Philippe_Fi | evening all |
| 21:24.35 | florian | phew... at least someone alive in Finland ;-) |
| 21:24.44 | florian | Philippe_Fi: hey! |
| 21:24.46 | Philippe_Fi | hey florian :-) |
| 21:24.49 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:24.49 | koen | hey Philippe_Fi |
| 21:25.02 | pb_ | maybe we can send philippe to locate and rescue luc. |
| 21:25.14 | Philippe_Fi | hey koen. I saw you branched familiar 8.3 |
| 21:25.14 | florian | uh right! |
| 21:25.25 | Philippe_Fi | pb_, I heard about him. Seems he is still alive... |
| 21:25.55 | pb_ | ah, very good |
| 21:25.58 | Philippe_Fi | And I know he is in Helsinki somewhere |
| 21:26.21 | koen | Additional Comment #2 From Luc Pionchon 2005-09-02 17:32 |
| 21:26.26 | koen | from https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=86 |
| 21:26.33 | koen | so he was alive 3 weeks ago |
| 21:26.40 | florian | :-) |
| 21:26.50 | koen | or somebody snatched his bugzilla password |
| 21:27.45 | koen | Philippe_Fi: if you have patches that you want in add them to http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350 |
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| 21:29.49 | Philippe_Fi | koen I suppose I can add all the patches that are marked as in gpe-cvs on the gpe to fix for 2.7 release... |
| 21:30.39 | koen | Philippe_Fi: or convince the powers that be to release a new version |
| 21:31.46 | koen | I'd like bedboi's gpe-calendar changes to go in too |
| 21:32.09 | Philippe_Fi | Makes me think about a screencap I saw yesterday. |
| 21:32.42 | Philippe_Fi | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.19263.png |
| 21:32.48 | Philippe_Fi | Is that reenoo working on something? |
| 21:33.12 | koen | it is |
| 21:33.18 | florian | koen: Yes... we'll make a new release of gpe-calendar.. it should include the fix for the dialog as well. |
| 21:40.09 | reenoo | Philippe_Fi: correct |
| 21:40.13 | mreimer_ | does gpe-bluetooth work at the moment? |
| 21:40.37 | Philippe_Fi | hey reenoo! Btw it looks awesome |
| 21:40.40 | koen | the one in OE should work |
| 21:40.47 | mreimer_ | I get an error about not being able to start OBEX, and I never get a bluetooth icon on the panel |
| 21:41.00 | mreimer_ | what starts hciattach? |
| 21:41.06 | pb_ | gpe-bluetooth |
| 21:41.09 | koen | gpe-bluetooth |
| 21:41.22 | pb_ | that too |
| 21:41.27 | mreimer_ | heh |
| 21:41.43 | mreimer_ | good, so it won't draw power unless gpe-bluetooth is running |
| 21:41.46 | pb_ | what's the error about obex? |
| 21:42.16 | mreimer_ | I'm not near the h2200 atm, but I will be soon, and I'll get the exact message |
| 21:42.23 | pb_ | righto |
| 21:42.41 | koen | Philippe_Fi: sweet! |
| 21:42.47 | pb_ | I haven't tried gpe-bluetooth on an ipaq lately, but I think I did test the latest version on my laptop and it worked okay there. |
| 21:43.18 | pb_ | I'm not sure what sort of obex problem it would be suffering from. Maybe something sdpd related. |
| 21:43.54 | koen | it used to be caused by missing kernel-modules |
| 21:44.05 | pb_ | ah, right |
| 21:44.38 | mreimer_ | which kernel modules have anything to do with OBEX? |
| 21:44.46 | mreimer_ | was it a misreported error then? |
| 21:45.22 | pb_ | I guess it must have been. |
| 21:45.37 | pb_ | OBEX doesn't (shouldn't) depend on any kernel modules. |
| 21:46.00 | ||cw | i thought obex was a user space service |
| 21:46.04 | ||cw | not a kernel driver |
| 21:46.41 | mreimer_ | bbiab |
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| 21:56.20 | mreimer | pb_, the error is "Couldn't register OBEX service" |
| 21:57.09 | mreimer | hey, there it is |
| 21:57.32 | pb_ | mreimer: is sdpd running? |
| 21:57.34 | mreimer | I loaded all the bt modules and now I get the icon on my panel |
| 21:57.40 | mreimer | yes |
| 21:57.43 | pb_ | ah, very good |
| 21:58.18 | pb_ | I wonder which module it needs. |
| 21:58.28 | mreimer | I'll try to figure that out |
| 21:58.53 | pb_ | cool |
| 21:59.02 | mreimer | so now hciattach is running, but the interface is not up. who turns hci0 on? |
| 21:59.10 | pb_ | hcid |
| 21:59.29 | mreimer | so just "Switch radio on" shouldn't do it? |
| 22:01.07 | mreimer | what's the command to show all bt services running? something with sdptool browse |
| 22:01.35 | pb_ | "Switch radio on" starts hciattach. Normally, hcid should then bring the interface up automatically. |
| 22:02.39 | koen | pb_: the latest gpe-bluetooth doesn't install the pin glade file |
| 22:02.52 | mreimer | ah, it timed out. I wonder if -echo needs to be turned off after resume too |
| 22:03.50 | mreimer | sdptool browse local |
| 22:08.30 | mreimer | pb_: l2cap was the module that was making gpe-bluetooth complain |
| 22:08.34 | mreimer | when it was missing |
| 22:09.41 | pb_ | aha |
| 22:09.48 | pb_ | yes, I suppose it would |
| 22:10.23 | mreimer | is it appropriate for it to complain about OBEX? |
| 22:10.42 | pb_ | yeah |
| 22:10.46 | mreimer | ok |
| 22:10.54 | pb_ | well, sort of. without l2cap, it can't talk to sdpd. |
| 22:11.12 | pb_ | so, the failure isn't so much OBEX related, more a general inability to register any services. |
| 22:11.13 | mreimer | I need to figure out the whole module alias thing |
| 22:11.15 | mreimer | ah |
| 22:11.47 | pb_ | I'm a bit surprised that sdpd will run without l2cap. I guess it's more tolerant. |
| 22:11.57 | mreimer | I only have a couple of files in /etc/modutils, none relating to l2cap/bluetooth |
| 22:21.43 | reenoo | are the netbook balsa patches available somewhere? |
| 22:24.40 | mreimer | udhcpc[6426]: FATAL: couldn't listen on socket, Address family not supported by protocol |
| 22:24.45 | mreimer | what am I missing? bpf? |
| 22:26.03 | pb_ | af_packet, probably |
| 22:26.08 | mreimer | thanks |
| 22:27.20 | mreimer | something else weird: if I don't /etc/init.d/bluetooth start and instead hciconfig hci0 up by hand, it works fine; but when hcid tries to do it, it times out. any ideas? I wonder if hcid sees the first few spurious bytes the zeevo sends on power up, and gets confused by them |
| 22:27.44 | koen | 'night all |
| 22:27.47 | mreimer | night koen |
| 22:29.53 | pb_ | mreimer: yeah, sounds like hcid is trying to bring the interface up too quickly. |
| 22:30.56 | pb_ | maybe the zeevo takes a while to wake up after power is applied. |
| 22:30.56 | mreimer | I have a delay in there; maybe I need to increase it |
| 22:30.56 | florian | hmm... gpe-sketchbook is different... |
| 22:31.44 | Philippe_Fi | anybody knows what the last button in gpe-edit should do? (I guess copy paste but it seems broken on my Ipaq) |
| 22:33.29 | florian | Philippe_Fi: yes right... but i wonder what could cause it to fail. |
| 22:34.40 | Philippe_Fi | It seems to copy, but not pasting... |
| 22:41.44 | florian | tsts |
| 22:41.51 | florian | strange... |
| 22:42.13 | Philippe_Fi | florian, is it also broken for you now? I might have a bad build... |
| 22:43.19 | florian | Philippe_Fi: it works for me.. at least on my pc. |
| 22:44.14 | Philippe_Fi | florian, must be a bad build then for me... I will check when my build machine works again. |
| 22:44.28 | florian | Philippe_Fi: okay |
| 22:52.43 | reenoo | http://www.tzi.de/~rwagner/rw.ps.gz |
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| 22:54.43 | florian | reenoo: looks good... |
| 22:55.43 | florian | hehe |
| 22:55.52 | pb_ | heh, that would be cute |
| 22:56.33 | Philippe_Fi | I like florians idea too... |
| 22:57.53 | florian | We have an old color laserjet at kc... i wonder how it looks using this one :-) |
| 22:59.31 | reenoo | fwiw, the text part is just plain tex. so, creating a .ps for every developer would be easy. |
| 22:59.46 | mreimer | oops: Alignment trap: gpe-mini-browse (7333) PC=0x4037aff8 Instr=0xe8950003 Address=0x403a94b7 FSR 0x0f3 |
| 22:59.46 | mreimer | Alignment trap: gpe-mini-browse (7333) PC=0x4037affc Instr=0xe89c0030 Address=0x403a94af FSR 0x013 |
| 23:00.16 | florian | Philippe_Fi: need to check this with Petra... maybe. But pb_ is the source of them and might still have some as well. |
| 23:00.22 | reenoo | printing is where things get difficult if you want decent quality |
| 23:00.25 | Philippe_Fi | mreimer, iew sounds nasty... Do you happen to run OZ? |
| 23:00.33 | mreimer | no, GPE |
| 23:00.38 | florian | reenoo: right... |
| 23:01.00 | Philippe_Fi | mreimer, I mean GPE on a zaurus... |
| 23:01.09 | mreimer | Philippe_fi: no, on h2200 |
| 23:01.25 | reenoo | mreimer: I guess the question is soft vs. hard float |
| 23:01.48 | reenoo | mreimer: OZ is using a softfloat toolchain |
| 23:02.11 | mreimer | how to tell? I haven't done anything with the toolchain; just building with OE |
| 23:02.46 | reenoo | TARGET_FPU = "soft" in some .conf would be soft float |
| 23:02.57 | reenoo | by default on OZ uses that |
| 23:03.00 | reenoo | only even |
| 23:03.05 | pb_ | I doubt soft-float would make a difference to alignment problems in any case. |
| 23:03.11 | mreimer | not in build/conf/local.conf |
| 23:03.41 | mreimer | familiar-0.8.3 + kernel26 |
| 23:04.06 | reenoo | pb_: probably. but it's known to cause issues with gpe-mini-browser (or rather the libs it uses) |
| 23:04.22 | Philippe_Fi | mreimer, can you send me the ipk you are using? |
| 23:04.32 | pb_ | reenoo: oh, how strange |
| 23:04.35 | mreimer | Philippe_fi: I hope so; let me see if I still have it |
| 23:04.45 | Philippe_Fi | Together with the ipk's for gtk-webcore... |
| 23:05.01 | reenoo | pb_: like... pixbuf loaders malfunctioning etc. |
| 23:05.01 | pb_ | florian: I think I might have one or two of the gpe shirts left, but no more than that. |
| 23:05.32 | pb_ | florian: I could easily enough get some more printed, though. The t-shirt people already have the screens, so they just need to turn the handle. |
| 23:05.37 | Philippe_Fi | mreimer, look in the tmp/deploy/ipk dir.. of your OE tree |
| 23:05.44 | pb_ | reenoo: freaky |
| 23:06.09 | mreimer | Philippe_fi: looks like the last one I built is newer than the one on the device. Shall I try the latest? |
| 23:06.28 | mreimer | Philippe_fi: fyi, the installed version is 0.15-r1 |
| 23:06.43 | mreimer | Philippe_fi: the one I currently have in deploy/ipk is 0.16-r1 |
| 23:07.30 | Philippe_Fi | mreimer, I am not sure if it is the mini-browser that causes the problem or the libs behind it... |
| 23:07.53 | florian | pb_: okay... |
| 23:08.01 | Philippe_Fi | Try to see if you have the same issues with 0.16-r1, but I don't think it will make a difference. I just want to be sure. |
| 23:08.08 | mreimer | Philippe_fi: ok |
| 23:09.35 | mreimer | Philippe_fi: yes, 0.16-r1 generates alignment traps too |
| 23:10.38 | Philippe_Fi | mreimer, could you try the following one. This one is known to work. So if that has the same problem we can narrow it down to gtk-webcore. |
| 23:11.36 | Philippe_Fi | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/feed/gpe-mini-browser_0.17+cvs-20050927-r2_arm.ipk |
| 23:12.06 | mreimer | Philippe_fi: ipkg list_installed doesn't show a gtk-webcore package; is it called something else? |
| 23:12.21 | reenoo | yeah |
| 23:12.40 | Philippe_Fi | mreimer, yes... libsjcore, libnrcore and libnrcit I believe |
| 23:12.41 | mreimer | Philippe_fi: that ipk you mentioned does it too |
| 23:13.10 | mreimer | Philippe_fi: I do have ipkgs for all those |
| 23:13.30 | mreimer | Philippe_fi: http://sermons.desiringGod.org/oe/ipk |
| 23:14.13 | Philippe_Fi | mreimer, great. I will take a look at them tomorrow. I just noticed it is past 2 am... |
| 23:14.23 | mreimer | thanks Philippe_fi |
| 23:15.05 | Philippe_Fi | mreimer, no prob. |
| 23:15.52 | Philippe_Fi | btw, I believe it would be good to try out gtk-webcore with as cvsdate 20050517 |
| 23:16.02 | mreimer | ok, I'll try that |
| 23:16.46 | Philippe_Fi | I use those for the moment. Some fixes were submitted but nothing huge. But if somebody else can confirm it works well that would be good. |
| 23:17.28 | mreimer | Philippe_fi: btw those alignment traps don't stop it from working, though it isn't rendering slashdot correctly |
| 23:18.26 | Philippe_Fi | mreimer, normally it should render it decently. (it even managed to do it with the old slashdot code) |
| 23:18.44 | mreimer | ok |
| 23:18.55 | Philippe_Fi | maybe make some scap of it. That might give me some clues to. |
| 23:19.03 | mreimer | ok |
| 23:25.14 | mreimer | night Philippe_fi |
| 23:25.41 | florian | Philippe_Fi: good night |
| 23:26.37 | mreimer | Philippe_fi: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.20663.png |
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