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| 07:19.20 | Russ | koen|slug: what theme is this? http://handhelds.org/scap/land.17836.png |
| 07:30.39 | Russ | oohh, clearlooks |
| 07:30.44 | Russ | danke for packaging that! |
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| 07:54.57 | Russ | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gpe-base-depends: |
| 07:54.57 | Russ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.16 | Russ | Depends: diet-x11, virtual/xserver |
| 07:55.33 | Russ | I think they meant diet-x11 *or* virtual/xserver... |
| 07:56.50 | koen|slug | diet-x11 is libx11-6 |
| 07:57.10 | koen|slug | and virtual/xserver is something like xserver-kdrive-fbdev |
| 07:57.50 | Russ | libx11-6 doesn't show as providing diet-x11 |
| 07:58.13 | Russ | I guess its just out of sync right now |
| 07:58.45 | koen|slug | it looks like someone swapped OE and ipkg names |
| 07:59.51 | Russ | btw, someone on the list mentioned glurp and gmpc, but didn't mention anything about where to get them |
| 07:59.54 | Russ | anything prepackaged? |
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| 08:02.16 | koen|slug | let me check |
| 08:03.21 | Russ | its not on ewi546 |
| 08:19.16 | Russ | what is hildon? |
| 08:21.37 | koen|slug | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/drupal/?q=ipkgfind&action=details&pnm=glurp |
| 08:21.50 | koen|slug | Russ: hildon is the widget name for the maem platform. |
| 08:22.54 | Russ | ah |
| 08:23.09 | Russ | cool, you just added glurp |
| 08:23.47 | koen|slug | and every mpd related app in OE :) |
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| 09:16.56 | reenoo | morning |
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| 09:25.58 | reenoo | morning pb_ |
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| 09:37.54 | pb_ | hi reenoo |
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| 09:43.59 | koen | hey reenoo, pH5 & pb_ |
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| 09:49.34 | koen | apart from gpe mixing up first and last name, syncing is working great |
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| 10:07.12 | reenoo | hi koen |
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| 10:23.43 | pH5 | hi koen |
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| 13:24.23 | koen | ibot: botmail for bedboi: could you commit the treeview changes without the sorting algo? |
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| 13:34.49 | TyggerBob | Mornin |
| 13:35.27 | TyggerBob | Koen, mon ami.. |
| 13:35.59 | TyggerBob | I had to switch over to my Linux box, and don't have access to my IRC logs.. what was the link to that latest GPE image that you sent me again? |
| 13:36.52 | koen | familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/v0.8.3/20050913/ |
| 13:37.37 | TyggerBob | Doh.. I thought it was one of yours.. |
| 13:37.45 | TyggerBob | should have check there first.. |
| 13:37.57 | TyggerBob | Thank.. |
| 13:38.02 | koen | np |
| 13:39.36 | TyggerBob | I had a very frustrating day yesterday.. |
| 13:39.44 | TyggerBob | could get my networking to work no matter what I did.. |
| 13:40.20 | TyggerBob | couldn't get the wireless to associate with my D-Link AP, and couldn't get wired networking to work either.. |
| 13:40.45 | TyggerBob | sorry.. I take that back. if I took WEP off, I could associate, but could only ping the gateway.. nothing else |
| 13:44.06 | TyggerBob | And as usual, I'm the only one who seems to have these problems :) |
| 13:44.56 | TyggerBob | Ahh.. I see SecTest has fallen off the list, eh? |
| 13:45.16 | TyggerBob | I should get ahold of that lazy guy who was supposed to be maintaining it :) |
| 13:45.17 | koen | for the moment, yes |
| 13:45.50 | koen | heh |
| 13:46.13 | koen | If I don't fly via the USA the flight is $100 cheaper in 'security charges' |
| 13:46.23 | TyggerBob | hehehe |
| 13:46.46 | koen | $103.50 to be exact |
| 13:47.00 | TyggerBob | ooo.. h6300 support? |
| 13:47.02 | TyggerBob | sweet |
| 13:47.21 | koen | and the qtec people are making good progress too |
| 13:48.03 | koen | http://handhelds.org/~gpe/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=Various-Devices |
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| 13:48.14 | Skyhusker | hey |
| 13:48.52 | TyggerBob | oh yeah baby.. |
| 13:49.01 | TyggerBob | We got our new fibre link at the office.. |
| 13:49.04 | TyggerBob | what a difference. |
| 13:49.19 | Skyhusker | koen: is posible to bring interfaces down & up with any gpe application? |
| 13:49.19 | TyggerBob | it used to be faster to download from home than through the VPN.. no more... |
| 13:50.16 | koen | Skyhusker: not at the moment |
| 13:50.40 | koen | very annoying |
| 13:51.02 | Skyhusker | koen: yeah, I hate typing in the terminal when I have no keyboard :-/ |
| 13:52.03 | lolita__ | i just saw the gpe screen shot of the nokia 770 ;) |
| 13:52.07 | lolita__ | and i like it ;) |
| 13:52.23 | lolita__ | does everything work on the n770 plattform? |
| 13:52.33 | koen | I've been poking around for a "up/down" button in the network config |
| 13:53.08 | Skyhusker | btw, what do you use for looking for wireless networks? gpe-aerial doesn't work for me |
| 13:54.25 | TyggerBob | Skyhusker, what device are you running GPE on? |
| 13:54.30 | Skyhusker | TyggerBob: h5550 |
| 13:54.59 | TyggerBob | yeah.. Aerial doesn't work with that card.. |
| 13:55.02 | TyggerBob | try Prismstumbler |
| 13:55.07 | Skyhusker | I'm working on it, but it is still isn't functional for me |
| 13:55.25 | Skyhusker | I have to talk to Florian about some things |
| 13:55.42 | Skyhusker | TyggerBob: it should work, cause it has support for active scanning |
| 13:55.53 | Skyhusker | but it hangs at the moment |
| 13:56.10 | TyggerBob | yeah.. but unless there have been some major changes, the active scanning component is a bit flakey.. |
| 13:56.59 | Skyhusker | I'm working on it, in fact it already does active scanning well |
| 13:57.07 | Skyhusker | but I'm not able to join networks |
| 13:57.10 | TyggerBob | Ahhhh |
| 13:57.14 | TyggerBob | good to hear.. |
| 13:57.55 | Skyhusker | i think the problem is in prismstumbler.c:206, in function net_check_connection() |
| 13:58.26 | Skyhusker | but I see it too much obvious, so I need to talk to Florian, maybe I'm missing something |
| 13:59.53 | Skyhusker | if (sscanf (s, "%s %*d %d. %*d. %*d. %*d %*d %*d %*d %*d", u, &n)>1); <= i think the ; wasn't intended ;) |
| 13:59.57 | koen | Skyhusker: florian will be back from china tomorrow |
| 14:00.06 | Skyhusker | koen: nice |
| 14:00.27 | koen|away | bbl |
| 14:00.49 | Skyhusker | see you koen|away |
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| 14:55.57 | koen | jsmanrique: how do you like the clearlooks theme? |
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| 15:04.30 | jsmanrique | koen: it looks great! |
| 15:04.48 | jsmanrique | koen: I am working in a presentation I have on 30th September |
| 15:04.52 | jsmanrique | koen: about GPE |
| 15:05.02 | koen | mallum said he had a real clearlooks theme for matchbox instead of the modified MBopus |
| 15:05.07 | jsmanrique | koen: we hope to have flumotion working then.. |
| 15:05.17 | koen | flumotion on the ipaq? |
| 15:05.23 | jsmanrique | koen: because it is a for congress in Colombia |
| 15:05.29 | jsmanrique | koen: no, in the iBook :) |
| 15:05.58 | koen | flumotion works on osx? |
| 15:06.24 | koen | it would be nice if it could stream via an iSight |
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| 15:15.00 | jsmanrique | koen: yes, I would need iSight :) |
| 15:15.06 | jsmanrique | koen: I don't have a camera :) |
| 15:15.42 | Skyhusker | jsmanrique: so you're missing the most important piece! XD |
| 15:16.32 | jsmanrique | Skyhusker: what? |
| 15:16.43 | jsmanrique | Skyhusker: have you read asturlinux/wiki recently? |
| 15:16.47 | Skyhusker | jsmanrique: the camera! XD |
| 15:16.56 | jsmanrique | Skyhusker: we have someone working in this are ! |
| 15:16.58 | Skyhusker | jsmanrique: only the mailing list |
| 15:17.10 | jsmanrique | Skyhusker: my ibook won't provide the streaming |
| 15:17.20 | jsmanrique | Skyhusker: but berrueta's one (I hope) |
| 15:17.30 | Skyhusker | jsmanrique: why? |
| 15:18.07 | jsmanrique | Skyhusker: I would give the presentation with my ibook, so .. too much work for just one :) |
| 15:18.22 | jsmanrique | Skyhusker: it will be in EUTIO next 30th at 17:00 |
| 15:20.27 | Skyhusker | nice, I'll try to be there |
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| 15:22.36 | koen | hola tigrux |
| 15:23.03 | tigrux | koen: Buen dia. |
| 15:24.15 | koen | tigrux: according to the latest schedule I'll be arriving in mexico city at 16 november 07:05 in the morning |
| 15:25.04 | TyggerBob | Koen.. have you seen this at70503a.c timed out thing with any of your 5xxx's? |
| 15:25.28 | koen | only 6542 miles and 15 hours of airplain time |
| 15:25.36 | koen | TyggerBob: not that I've noticed |
| 15:25.47 | TyggerBob | I'm starting to think that the Linux Atmel driver doesn't like my DLink AP |
| 15:25.57 | TyggerBob | or that it's a firmware problem |
| 15:26.15 | tigrux | koen: Oki, I'll pick you up at the airport. |
| 15:31.49 | jsmanrique | koen: at mexico on 16th November? that' will be my birthday :) |
| 15:32.02 | jsmanrique | koen: I would like being in mexico that day too :) |
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| 15:51.46 | tigrux | monotone --db=oe.db pull monotone.vanille.de "org.openembedded.{dev,dreambox}" <--- This command take ages! |
| 15:52.07 | tigrux | * takes |
| 16:01.39 | koen | tigrux: it's faster to download the db snapshot first |
| 16:08.00 | tigrux | koen: Yep. Do I have to update it in any way? The wki does not say anything. |
| 16:08.17 | koen | you update it via monotone pull |
| 16:08.47 | koen | but it saves you the first hundreds of changesets |
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| 16:11.52 | tigrux | monotone pull <--- In the same directory that has the oe.db? |
| 16:12.43 | koen | that doesn't matter since you have to specify the db via --db=file.db |
| 16:13.45 | koen | pull updates the database, 'monotone update' updates the checkout from the database |
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| 16:15.46 | tigrux | Ohhh... |
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| 16:18.58 | philippe | hello people |
| 16:21.03 | mreimer | hello philippe |
| 16:21.32 | philippe | hey mreimer |
| 16:27.54 | lardman|work | Was there ever a fix for gpe-conf not displaying its contents when opened from the 'desktop' rather than the 'start-menu'? |
| 16:28.27 | lardman|work | This is for look & feel, built yesterday |
| 16:28.59 | koen | hey philippe & mreimer |
| 16:29.11 | mreimer | hey koen |
| 16:29.11 | koen | lardman|work: florian found the cause and fixed it in cvs iirc |
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| 16:40.36 | koen | philippe: still in the hotel? |
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| 16:42.49 | lardman|work | koen: cvs isn't built by default? |
| 16:43.14 | koen | lardman|work: nope |
| 16:43.17 | koen | we're not opie :) |
| 16:43.29 | lardman|work | Ah, but there's a release soon... |
| 16:43.41 | lardman|work | I was just looking at some of the bugs I'd seen |
| 16:44.05 | koen | you can build cvs via OE |
| 16:44.11 | koen | I added some cvs packages last week |
| 16:44.37 | lardman|work | It doesn't bother me in particular (as I know how to get 'round it), but it may bother the end users |
| 16:44.49 | koen | yeah |
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| 17:25.55 | tigrux | koen: Master, that is that stragen oe.db? I guess it is a berkeley db of changes and revisions and so on. Is it correct? |
| 17:26.25 | koen | sqlite db of changes, revisions, branches, etc |
| 17:26.31 | koen | it's the complete repository |
| 17:59.58 | koen | philippe: is minibrowser almost ready for a new release? |
| 18:03.05 | philippe | koen: almost. I need to add the history button and find a way to avoid duplicates. I fixed some maemo stuff. But I don't know if there is enough change to justify a new release. |
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| 18:06.46 | reenoo | philippe: could use a GTree as the backing data structure |
| 18:07.31 | reenoo | along with an appropriate comparison function that will get rid of dupes automagically |
| 18:08.47 | reenoo | (and it's still O(n log n)) |
| 18:09.12 | philippe | reenoo: it is a Glistfor the moment because of the entry completion. I just want a match function that does not run down the list until a match is found / not found |
| 18:11.11 | reenoo | well |
| 18:11.25 | reenoo | you won't get any better with a linked list |
| 18:11.49 | reenoo | access is O(n) no matter what you do |
| 18:13.05 | philippe | Well getting doubles out before they get in the list will already help of course |
| 18:16.46 | reenoo | obviously, yeah |
| 18:16.56 | koen | philippe: can you make the textentry in the add bookmark dialog sensitive to the radio button? |
| 18:17.34 | koen | or disable 'add current page' when there is no current page |
| 18:17.42 | reenoo | philippe: but like I said, you'll need to match with every element in the list to achieve that. |
| 18:18.21 | koen | would keeping the list sorted help? |
| 18:18.30 | reenoo | or get rid of the textentry altogether |
| 18:19.05 | reenoo | there's no real use case for entering an url manually |
| 18:19.36 | philippe | koen: there should be a check on that current page thing |
| 18:20.43 | philippe | When I try here it actually calls out that there is no url |
| 18:23.04 | philippe | koen, Oh now I getwhatyou mean... should be possible |
| 18:23.07 | koen | after some consideration I agree with reenoo |
| 18:23.28 | reenoo | :) |
| 18:27.01 | koen | WARNING: Couldn't open directory /lib/modules/2.6.12-hh2: No such file or directory |
| 18:27.03 | koen | hmmm |
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| 18:27.48 | reenoo | actually |
| 18:28.29 | reenoo | where from is that "Add a bookmark" dialog opened? |
| 18:28.48 | reenoo | from the "Bookmarks" window only? |
| 18:28.48 | koen | the toolbar |
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| 18:29.30 | tigrux | koen: One more question: |
| 18:29.32 | tigrux | $ bitbake gpe-image |
| 18:29.32 | tigrux | ERROR: Unable to open conf/bitbake.conf |
| 18:29.51 | koen | looks like your BBPATH is incorrect |
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| 18:30.19 | tigrux | koen: BBPATH=/home/tigrux/handhelds/oe/build:/home/tigrux/handhelds/oe/org.openembedded.dev/packages/ |
| 18:30.35 | tigrux | $ echo $BBPATH |
| 18:30.35 | tigrux | /home/tigrux/handhelds/oe/build:/home/tigrux/handhelds/oe/org.openembedded.dev/packages/*/*.bb |
| 18:30.53 | koen | BBPATH=/home/koen/OE/:/home/koen/OE/build/:/home/koen/OE/monotone/openembedded/ |
| 18:31.08 | reenoo | tigrux: both of those are wrong |
| 18:31.13 | koen | and in local.conf: BBFILES := "/home/koen/OE/monotone/openembedded/packages/*/*.bb" |
| 18:31.15 | philippe | reenoo: yes. I saw that as a way to minimize interface clutter and keeping it simple and context bound |
| 18:31.46 | pH5 | koen: where does that WARNING come from? |
| 18:32.00 | koen | root@ipaq-pxa270:~# uname -a |
| 18:32.01 | koen | Linux ipaq-pxa270 2.6.12-hh2 #1 Mon Sep 19 16:02:11 CEST 2005 armv5tel unknown |
| 18:32.01 | koen | root@ipaq-pxa270:~# ls /lib/modules/ |
| 18:32.11 | koen | 2.6.12-hh3 |
| 18:32.22 | pH5 | unghn |
| 18:32.32 | koen | that's about the sound I made |
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| 18:33.57 | reenoo | philippe: well. usability wise you'd want two icons in the toolbar. one that opens the "Bookmarks" window and one that simply adds a bookmark to the current url without further interaction (other than selecting a category maybe) |
| 18:33.57 | tigrux | [tigrux@monterrey oe]$ export BBPATH=$(pwd):$(pwd)/org.openembedded.dev |
| 18:33.57 | tigrux | [tigrux@monterrey oe]$ bitbake gpe-image |
| 18:33.57 | tigrux | NOTE: Using cache in '/home/tigrux/handhelds/oe/tmp/cache' |
| 18:33.57 | tigrux | NOTE: Handling BitBake files: \ (0034/2754) [ 1 %] |
| 18:34.02 | tigrux | Yiiiiipiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii! |
| 18:34.31 | philippe | reenoo: the plan is adding categories so everything would fit under there |
| 18:34.31 | reenoo | philippe: from the "Bookmarks" window is does indeed make sense to have the '+' button open a dialog with a text entry |
| 18:34.45 | reenoo | s/is does/it does/ |
| 18:34.50 | koen|tv | philippe: and a 'description' to hide the url? |
| 18:35.11 | TyggerBob | Heya koen|tv |
| 18:35.23 | TyggerBob | solved my wifi problem. |
| 18:35.26 | TyggerBob | it's the DLink.. |
| 18:35.44 | TyggerBob | plugged in my other AP (a linksys) and it works fine |
| 18:35.47 | TyggerBob | Doh |
| 18:36.04 | philippe | koen maybe. I'll put it in the TODO |
| 18:36.17 | reenoo | philippe: that's nice and all. but do you really want to force the user to open two windows/dialogs just to bookmark the current page? |
| 18:37.08 | reenoo | that should be a single click in the toolbar |
| 18:37.10 | shiyee | well, i dont think bookmarking qualifies as something needed that often |
| 18:37.21 | shiyee | but thats just my 5 cents |
| 18:37.35 | reenoo | on a pda without a keyboard? |
| 18:37.57 | shiyee | you bookmark it once, done |
| 18:38.35 | reenoo | nevermind |
| 18:38.53 | shiyee | a dropdown menu with saved bookmarks (maybe from a specific category) would be more useful |
| 18:39.02 | reenoo | seems like this is the wrong channel for discussing usability basics |
| 18:41.01 | pb_ | evening all |
| 18:41.05 | mreimer | hi pb |
| 18:41.08 | reenoo | evening pb_ |
| 18:41.41 | philippe | hi pb_ |
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| 18:44.55 | koen|tv | hail zecke |
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| 19:00.59 | TyggerBob | koen|tv, I'm back on Windows again.. is that repo URL of yours posted anywhere so I don't have to keep asking? |
| 19:03.24 | koen|tv | the feed or the snapshot location? |
| 19:04.00 | TyggerBob | the feed |
| 19:04.34 | koen|tv | it isn't published because it will break stuff with 'ipkg upgrade' |
| 19:04.35 | koen|tv | ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/feed |
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| 19:05.02 | koen|tv | hey france_ |
| 19:05.09 | TyggerBob | Thanks.. |
| 19:05.16 | TyggerBob | but at least I can install kismet :) |
| 19:05.32 | TyggerBob | there isn't one for upgrades with 0.8.3 yet, eh? |
| 19:05.36 | TyggerBob | Hi france |
| 19:05.41 | france_ | TyggerBob: hi |
| 19:05.43 | france_ | koen|slug: hi |
| 19:05.52 | france_ | koen|tv: hi |
| 19:06.42 | TyggerBob | darn.. can't remember what causes this: |
| 19:06.42 | TyggerBob | ipkg_conf_init: Failed to create temporary directory `(null)': No such file or d |
| 19:06.42 | TyggerBob | irectory |
| 19:06.58 | pb_ | usually seems to happen if /tmp isn't mounted |
| 19:07.03 | TyggerBob | Ahhhh |
| 19:07.05 | TyggerBob | that's right.. |
| 19:07.06 | TyggerBob | thanks |
| 19:07.11 | pb_ | I'm not sure what leads to the weird "(null)" diagnostic. |
| 19:07.25 | TyggerBob | yep.. |
| 19:07.35 | TyggerBob | ixnay on the mptay |
| 19:08.31 | TyggerBob | what's supposed to be mounted there? |
| 19:08.54 | TyggerBob | tmpfs? |
| 19:09.37 | TyggerBob | nope.. that's not it |
| 19:09.56 | pb_ | iirc, it's meant to be a symlink to /var/tmp |
| 19:10.02 | pb_ | and tmpfs is mounted at /var |
| 19:10.06 | pb_ | or something like that |
| 19:10.21 | TyggerBob | yes.. I remember problems with resolv.conf because of that, before.. |
| 19:10.27 | TyggerBob | slowly coming back.. |
| 19:10.37 | TyggerBob | Did you miss all my questions ? :) |
| 19:10.43 | pb_ | hehe |
| 19:17.07 | TyggerBob | Ahhhh.. there we goo.. |
| 19:17.18 | TyggerBob | I had forgotten the joys of the monolithic feed!!! |
| 19:18.30 | mreimer | pH5: your workaround for X messing with ttyS0 (bug 179) works for me, but emits lots of "Switching to mouse protocol..." messages when the pen is down. Have you found other workarounds for keeping X from messing with ttyS0? |
| 19:21.42 | pH5 | you could hack hw/kdrive/linux/mouse.c and remove ttyS[01] from kdefaultMouse |
| 19:24.15 | mreimer | pH5: have you asked upstream (keithp?) how they suggest fixing this? |
| 19:24.50 | koen|tv | jg told me you can file bugs in the bugzilla and mark them as showstoppers for xorg 6.9/7.0 |
| 19:25.03 | koen | the fdo bugzilla that is |
| 19:25.06 | mreimer | ok |
| 19:25.39 | koen | filing bugs without the showstopping bit is like shouting at /dev/null |
| 19:25.40 | mreimer | what's puzzling to me is how X can even open ttyS0 if getty has it open; I would have guessed that the kernel would prevent that. |
| 19:25.44 | mreimer | heh |
| 19:29.19 | pH5 | mreimer: I have not asked upstream. I didn't really realize that problem because I was focused on that ugly apm bug. |
| 19:29.38 | mreimer | pH5: any word on a proper fix for the apm bug? |
| 19:33.16 | pH5 | mreimer: none yet. perhaps we should take this to kernel-discuss? |
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| 19:33.28 | mreimer | pH5: agreed |
| 19:34.01 | koen | yay! |
| 19:34.07 | koen | this image is working |
| 19:34.26 | mreimer | koen: what image, on what platform? |
| 19:34.38 | koen | a bleeding edge gpe-image and hx4700 |
| 19:34.39 | pH5 | koen: congrats. |
| 19:34.52 | mreimer | koen: pristine? great! |
| 19:34.55 | pH5 | that means i can remove some of my local hacks :-) |
| 19:35.01 | mreimer | including udev? |
| 19:35.20 | koen | I can login and surf the web |
| 19:36.08 | koen | and open a terminal |
| 19:36.20 | koen | so the critical stuff works ;) |
| 19:38.01 | mreimer | what version of xserver-kdrive is GPE 2.7 going to use? |
| 19:38.52 | koen | Package: xserver-kdrive-fbdev |
| 19:38.52 | koen | Version: 0.0cvs20050207-r2 |
| 19:39.22 | mreimer | Does that version have the tslib suspend/resume bugfix in it? |
| 19:42.05 | koen | suspend/resume seems to work on the hx |
| 19:42.17 | mreimer | ok, I'll try h2200 |
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| 19:43.11 | koen | I do get a whole lot of 'df: /dev/.static/dev: permission denied' |
| 19:43.15 | koen | in my session log |
| 19:43.28 | mreimer | odd |
| 19:45.15 | mreimer | Why do we use the 20050207 version of xserver-kdrive? |
| 19:46.06 | pH5 | perhaps because it doesn't need to be patched to keep it's hands off the serial port :) |
| 19:46.42 | mreimer | that's what I was wondering. I saw the 20050208 commit by keithp that makes ts work like a mouse driver, and thought there might be some correlation |
| 19:47.15 | pH5 | mreimer: maybe. that was before i got involved. |
| 19:49.42 | koen | hmm, the powerbutton doesn't work either |
| 19:49.52 | koen | mreimer: 20050207 is before keithp messed everything up |
| 19:50.06 | pH5 | koen: that might be the hx4700 xmodmap patch missing |
| 19:50.23 | mreimer | koen: where "everything" means ... ? |
| 19:50.28 | lucasvo | koen: you were right on shouldn't care about pocketpc |
| 19:50.46 | mreimer | bbiab |
| 19:51.33 | lucasvo | koen: is there any gpe image for hx4700? |
| 19:51.38 | koen | mreimer: ts, vt switching, resume handling |
| 19:53.06 | pH5 | koen: i think the vt switching didn't change all that much. it's just that it segfaulted on resume before without the apm patch. |
| 19:53.13 | reenoo | koen: does gpe-bootsplash work with current images? your libpixman upgrade broke it for me |
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| 19:57.43 | koen | reenoo: does bootsplash work at all with cairo 0.5.2? |
| 19:59.32 | koen | afaik bootsplash has been broken for a while |
| 19:59.40 | koen | which is why it isn't in the images |
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| 20:03.08 | T-RuX | hi babis :D |
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| 20:08.12 | reenoo | ~lart koen |
| 20:08.27 | reenoo | stop silently removing stuff |
| 20:08.46 | reenoo | fix it or file a bug |
| 20:09.48 | reenoo | and in order not to break existing installs the current cairo package should conflict with non api-compatible apps |
| 20:11.59 | TyggerBob | koen, remember we were having problems with nmap before? |
| 20:12.21 | TyggerBob | looks like they're still there. |
| 20:15.33 | lucasvo | koen: do you have any gpe hx4700 kernel image? |
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| 20:18.49 | mimecar | evening... |
| 20:26.20 | koen | reenoo|kitchen: I didn't silently remove it |
| 20:27.26 | koen | and I have raised the subject of bootsplash being broken a couple of times the last weeks |
| 20:29.20 | lucasvo | I cant get the bootloader to work.... what am I doing wrong? |
| 20:30.15 | lucasvo | I can write image to sd card but my pocketpc wont take it |
| 20:31.06 | pH5 | lucasvo: how are you writing the image to the card? |
| 20:31.15 | lucasvo | pH5: dd? |
| 20:31.23 | koen | reenoo|kitchen: and florian was working on it before he went to china |
| 20:31.30 | pH5 | lucasvo: to which device? |
| 20:31.43 | lucasvo | pH5: dd if=bootldr-1.1.9.rom of=/dev/sde27 |
| 20:31.53 | lucasvo | 400+1 records in |
| 20:31.53 | lucasvo | 400+1 records out |
| 20:31.53 | lucasvo | 205216 bytes transferred in 0.078554 seconds (2612423 bytes/sec) |
| 20:32.21 | koen | 27? |
| 20:32.27 | pH5 | that doesn't look right. |
| 20:32.31 | pH5 | use /dev/sde |
| 20:32.58 | pH5 | the boodloader doesn't understand partitions (and i never saw 27 partitions on one device anyway). |
| 20:32.58 | lucasvo | dd: writing to `/dev/sde': Input/output error |
| 20:33.43 | koen | pH5: thanks for posting the patch |
| 20:34.18 | pH5 | np. |
| 20:34.45 | pH5 | i'd have taken more time to clean it up if only i could have tested g_storage and g_serial on pxa270 |
| 20:34.58 | lucasvo | ehm I have reformatted the card with my cam and it now dmesg now says unable to read partition table |
| 20:36.43 | pH5 | there's no use formatting the card. you just have to write the bootldr directly to the block device of the card. |
| 20:37.10 | lucasvo | pH5: that gives me read/write error |
| 20:37.28 | mimecar | lucasvo: yo can't mount your card, aren't you ? |
| 20:40.55 | T-RuX | lucasvo, can you reformat the card¿? can you read the card in other machine? |
| 20:43.38 | mimecar | lucasvo: on terminal write as root 'mkfs.vfat /dev/device' where decive is your card component |
| 20:47.13 | mimecar | hey reenoo |
| 20:47.22 | reenoo | hi mimecar |
| 20:47.35 | reenoo | koen: I don't see a bug for it at bugs.openembedded.org |
| 20:51.50 | mimecar | what is the difference between develop with toolchain and scratchbox ? |
| 20:53.16 | pH5 | good night |
| 20:53.17 | koen | reenoo: that still doesn't mean it's 'silently' removed |
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| 20:54.05 | reenoo | no bug report == silent |
| 20:54.24 | koen | reenoo: http://handhelds.org/~bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1331 |
| 20:55.03 | koen | "Opened: 2005-05-12 05:32" |
| 20:55.17 | reenoo | nice and all, but who's Robert Mibus? |
| 20:55.30 | koen | the default assignee for the bug |
| 20:56.44 | reenoo | sounds bogus |
| 20:57.17 | koen | I'll reassign it to gpe@handhelds.org |
| 20:58.55 | koen | reenoo: it seems mibus is the maintainer of bootsplash in the feeds when bugzilla was updated |
| 21:00.08 | koen | s/of/of the/ |
| 21:00.15 | pb_ | yah, mibus hasn't done anything with gpe for three or four years |
| 21:00.29 | pb_ | assigning the bug to the list sounds like a good idea |
| 21:01.01 | reenoo | yeah, otherwise bugs in hh.org bugzilla are rather useless |
| 21:01.26 | reenoo | koen: thanks |
| 21:02.51 | koen | jamey ran the bugzilla script after that, so it should be in a sane state for newer packages |
| 21:03.16 | koen | that's why oe@ gets a daily reminder of hh.org bugs |
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| 21:06.10 | koen | reenoo: the question is: do we want to update it to cairo 0.5.2 or cairo 1.0.0? |
| 21:06.22 | koen | since cairo >0.6 broke api again |
| 21:06.44 | mreimer | 1.0.0 api is now stable, so we should move to that |
| 21:06.54 | koen | pb_: could you do your logo magic and produce a gpe 2.7 logo? |
| 21:07.13 | koen | pb_: I'll be happy to put it in monotone for you |
| 21:07.26 | mimecar | 'logo magoc' ? |
| 21:07.35 | mimecar | 'logo magic' ? |
| 21:07.58 | koen | s/not/note/ |
| 21:08.15 | mimecar | xDD |
| 21:08.24 | koen | mimecar: pb_ usually designs our bootup logo's |
| 21:09.36 | koen | ironically the only working inkscape installation is on my ipaq... |
| 21:12.00 | mimecar | ok koen |
| 21:12.21 | mimecar | what's the best language por gpe (C/Python...) |
| 21:13.09 | koen | c |
| 21:14.09 | mimecar | velocity ? |
| 21:15.05 | koen | and size |
| 21:15.20 | mimecar | i'm using python |
| 21:15.37 | mimecar | but i think it will be slow an application with pygtk |
| 21:15.55 | mimecar | as the zaurus is limited resource |
| 21:20.10 | reenoo | python in general is nice for prototypes but that's about it |
| 21:20.52 | mimecar | reenoo: I'm programming a pic microcontroller with python and (after) with C |
| 21:21.16 | mimecar | then is not "correct" use it fot large applications ? |
| 21:21.50 | reenoo | it's not a question of correctness |
| 21:22.29 | mimecar | i'm speaking about velocity on embedded system |
| 21:23.03 | pb_ | mimecar: it would certainly be possible to write a large application in Python, and it might even be an appropriate choice under some circumstances. But, where cpu power and disk space are at a premium, it is most likely that some other language would be better. |
| 21:23.37 | mimecar | ok pb_ |
| 21:24.23 | pb_ | C sucks in a lot of ways, but it is arguably still an appropriate choice for a substantial number of systems programming tasks. |
| 21:24.44 | mimecar | C or c++ ? |
| 21:25.04 | Philippe | night all |
| 21:25.11 | pb_ | either, really. They're just different points on a continuum. |
| 21:25.12 | koen | 'night Philippe |
| 21:25.16 | mreimer | good night philippe |
| 21:25.23 | mimecar | 'night Philippe |
| 21:25.25 | pb_ | C++ gives you a more civilised programming environment at the cost of some extra overhead. |
| 21:25.57 | mimecar | gpe components are written on c, aren't you ? |
| 21:26.19 | koen | yes |
| 21:26.33 | pb_ | C gives you minimal overhead (just one step up from assembler in that respect), but on the other hand it is a somewhat primitive language (again, just one step up from assembler). |
| 21:27.06 | mimecar | pb_: I know C (the opposite option is assembler) |
| 21:27.07 | pb_ | yes, most GPE components are written in C. |
| 21:27.24 | pb_ | I am not personally written in C, though. |
| 21:27.42 | mreimer | heh |
| 21:29.37 | pb_ | koen: yah, I will make a logo file for gpe 2.7 |
| 21:29.49 | koen | pb_: thanks! |
| 21:29.57 | pb_ | there's no need to put it in monotone; oe should just use the one from gpe cvs |
| 21:30.17 | koen | you can even win a monotone commit access oppertunity with it |
| 21:31.41 | koen | pb_: it currently uses the ones in OE, but it's easy enough to change that |
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| 21:55.46 | tigrux | Grrrrrrrr........ |
| 21:55.50 | tigrux | NOTE: package gcc-cross-kernel-3.3.3-3.3.3-r2: task do_compile: failed |
| 21:55.50 | tigrux | ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting |
| 21:56.16 | tigrux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.19 | tigrux | Grrrr...... |
| 21:57.09 | koen | that's with DISTRO=familiar-0.8.3 and MACHINE=h3900? |
| 21:58.14 | tigrux | Yes. :-( |
| 21:58.36 | tigrux | DISTRO = "familiar-0.8.3" |
| 21:58.48 | tigrux | MACHINE = "h3900" |
| 21:59.11 | tigrux | koen: Did I make any mistake in the conf? |
| 21:59.21 | koen | that all looks OK |
| 21:59.49 | koen | is your host using gcc 4? |
| 21:59.56 | tigrux | gcc 4.0.1 |
| 22:00.23 | koen | I think I heard people saying that you can't compile gcc 3.3.3 with gcc 4 |
| 22:00.29 | koen | but I'm not sure |
| 22:00.32 | tigrux | Ohhhh..... |
| 22:00.59 | tigrux | koen: How can I clean the compilation tree? |
| 22:01.16 | koen | bitbake -c clean gcc-cross-kernel |
| 22:01.41 | koen | on osx I can switch between gcc 3 and 4 with gcc_select |
| 22:01.48 | koen | does linux have something like that? |
| 22:02.28 | tigrux | koen: Yes, exporting CC. Also, mandriva has a file of alternatives. |
| 22:02.49 | ||cw | debian has a symlink for gcc to which ever |
| 22:02.57 | tigrux | NOTE: Handling BitBake files: <--- Is there a way to cache that step? |
| 22:03.17 | koen | it builds a cache automatically |
| 22:03.35 | koen | but everytime you edit local.conf that cache get's invalidated |
| 22:04.00 | tigrux | I haven't modifies it. :-( |
| 22:04.09 | tigrux | * modified |
| 22:04.27 | koen | you could do 'bitbake -i' |
| 22:04.40 | koen | that will get you into the bitbake shell |
| 22:05.11 | koen | that way you only need to parse once every session |
| 22:05.52 | mreimer | Question: I committed some fixes (mbcontrol -> matchbox-remote) to gpe-conf a few weeks ago, but after the last release, so OE is not pulling them. Do I need to bump the version in the Makefile, or ... ? |
| 22:06.25 | koen | you could instruct OE to build gpe-conf_cvs |
| 22:06.59 | mreimer | ok. meanwhile just wait for a new gpe-conf release? |
| 22:07.04 | koen | PREFERRED_VERSION_gpe-conf = ""0.1.25+cvs-${CVSDATE}" in local.conf |
| 22:07.19 | koen | and wait for a new release |
| 22:07.22 | mreimer | ok |
| 22:07.34 | koen | remove one " in that statement |
| 22:09.11 | tigrux | koen: Is there a way to select the prefered cc/c++ compilers in local.conf? |
| 22:09.23 | tigrux | koen: Or I have to make it manually? |
| 22:13.28 | koen | manually I guess |
| 22:13.32 | pb_ | mreimer: send mail to Florian; I imagine he can make a new release easily enough once he is back in Europe. |
| 22:13.45 | mreimer | thanks pb |
| 22:14.04 | mreimer | it's not a huge deal, but it does make a couple of buttons do something useful out of the box |
| 22:14.11 | koen | he should be in oldenburg tomorrow with nilsf and reenoo, hacking on GPE |
| 22:17.05 | pb_ | ah, very good |
| 22:17.36 | pb_ | I had forgotten when the Oldenburg thing was happening |
| 22:18.01 | pb_ | and, well, I had half-planned to go to it, but I guess it is too late for that |
| 22:18.05 | pb_ | heh |
| 22:18.08 | koen | florian mentioned wednesday, traveling and oldenburg in one sentence |
| 22:18.24 | reenoo | wednesday to sunday |
| 22:18.24 | koen | so I could be one or two days off |
| 22:18.44 | pb_ | reenoo: aha. |
| 22:19.25 | pb_ | well, give my regards to florian, nilsf and joey. |
| 22:19.36 | reenoo | will do |
| 22:19.50 | koen | and have fun! |
| 22:20.01 | reenoo | err. which of the two joeys? |
| 22:20.08 | pb_ | ah, I was thinking of Schulze |
| 22:20.23 | reenoo | thought so. just checking |
| 22:20.35 | pb_ | who's the other one? Hess? |
| 22:20.44 | reenoo | yeah |
| 22:21.38 | pb_ | oh, yeah, right, it's also the debian-installer-fest. |
| 22:21.43 | reenoo | yup |
| 22:21.51 | reenoo | and gnu classpath DevJam |
| 22:22.22 | pb_ | oh, very good |
| 22:22.54 | reenoo | gcj works on ARM btw unless you use the interpreter |
| 22:23.10 | koen | so we could run OOo |
| 22:23.11 | pb_ | wow, that's quite cool |
| 22:23.16 | koen | *cough*( |
| 22:23.17 | mreimer | LOL |
| 22:23.38 | reenoo | pb_: haven't tried it myself but I trust tromey in that respect |
| 22:23.40 | koen | gcj make ARM binaries out of java files, right? |
| 22:23.50 | pb_ | yeah |
| 22:23.57 | pb_ | well, gcj has many talents, but that is one of them |
| 22:24.00 | koen | ah, that's cool indeed |
| 22:24.30 | koen | I recall something about gcj-x |
| 22:25.28 | koen | there was some chatter about gcj on fosdem, but I don't recall the details |
| 22:28.12 | reenoo | gcj-x is more or less a rewrite |
| 22:30.03 | reenoo|zZzZ | 'night all |
| 22:30.17 | koen | 'night reenoo|zZzZ |
| 22:30.22 | koen | good idea |
| 22:30.25 | koen | 'night all |
| 22:30.30 | mreimer | night koen |
| 22:36.37 | tigrux | pb_: Where can I see a tutorial about how to write *.bb files? |
| 22:37.47 | tigrux | pb_: I will give a tutorial of gtk, and I want to create a test app ready to be installed into an ipaq. So i want to learn how to create an ipgk for a tipical app: ./configure && make && make install |
| 22:39.37 | reenoo|zZzZ | tigrux: just copy the .bb file of gpe-mileage or gpe-life and modify it to suit your needs |
| 22:42.15 | tigrux | Ohhhh..... the classes have the magic! |
| 22:43.10 | tigrux | reenoo|zZzZ: Why the classes looks like a mix of python and basg? |
| 22:43.13 | tigrux | * bash |
| 22:43.50 | reenoo|zZzZ | they are a mix of python and bash |
| 22:45.12 | tigrux | :-P |
| 22:49.10 | pb_ | yeah, what reenoo|zZzZ said |
| 22:51.01 | tigrux | So, I well behaved application that uses autotools will be very similar to gpe-life. |
| 22:52.32 | pb_ | Right. |
| 22:52.47 | tigrux | pb_: Is there an API reference for the .bb format and functions? |
| 22:53.09 | pb_ | tigrux: There is a reference for the format, though not all the functions. |
| 22:53.23 | pb_ | See the bitbake user manual, which should be at bitbake.berlios.de somewhere. |
| 22:55.18 | tigrux | Nice! /home/tigrux/svn/bitbake/doc/manual |
| 22:56.58 | tigrux | pb_: What about making a file specifying icons and stuff like that? Can it be specified in the .bb? Ot it must me done in the sources? |
| 22:57.24 | pb_ | A .desktop file, you mean? You can put that in either place. |
| 22:57.47 | reenoo|zZzZ | tigrux: yeah, except instead of inheriting the gpe .bbclass like gpe-life.bb does you would specify SRC_URI |
| 22:58.55 | tigrux | Oki, and it will say file://my_tarball that will be in the same directory of the .bb. Right? |
| 23:00.40 | pb_ | Yes, that would work. |
| 23:14.27 | reenoo|zZzZ | alright. off to bed for real now. 'night all |
| 23:18.28 | pb_ | reenoo|zZzZ: good night |
| 23:18.42 | pb_ | later all |
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