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| 07:53.45 | XorA | morning |
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| 08:12.52 | Philippe_work | morning |
| 08:12.58 | koen | hey Philippe_work |
| 08:14.50 | Philippe_work | hello koen |
| 08:15.11 | Philippe_work | koen, you don't happen to be around Brussels tonight? |
| 08:15.23 | koen | not that I know off |
| 08:15.29 | Philippe_work | I have some "I move to Finland" party with free beer :-) |
| 08:17.41 | XorA | Philippe_work: nice work on latest mini-browser BTW |
| 08:18.27 | Philippe_work | XorA, thanks :-) It will get even better if I manage to finish some points that are on the TODO list. |
| 08:20.10 | Philippe_work | especially the GtkEntryCompletion, file download, multiple windows and zoom in small screen mode (I am also playing with the thought to make the fullscreen mode even more fullscreen. |
| 08:21.53 | XorA | Philippe_work: all sounds awesome |
| 08:22.02 | XorA | Philippe_work: you are going to make minimo obsolete :-D |
| 08:23.32 | Philippe_work | XorA, that is the plan. (I might also use Dillo as alternative rendering widget when it supports frames and https, because of the small-screen rendering mode it is capable off) |
| 08:23.33 | koen | XorA: you'll be able to bug Kompo in real life ;) |
| 08:24.15 | Philippe_work | Xora, you will work for Nokia in Helsinki, or just move there? |
| 08:24.43 | koen | wouldn't dillo drag in a fltk dependency? |
| 08:25.38 | Philippe_work | koen, it depends. I have to check with the Dillo dev. Anyway he told me that it could be statically linked in and would take < 1MB still. |
| 08:28.58 | XorA | Philippe_work: pardon? |
| 08:29.52 | Philippe_work | well koen suggested you would be able to bug Kompo in real life an AFAIK he works for Nokia in Helsiniki. |
| 08:30.00 | Philippe_work | koen XorA: you'll be able to bug Kompo in real life ;) |
| 08:32.32 | koen | heh |
| 08:32.47 | koen | I wonder how I can balme tab completion for that mistake |
| 08:33.00 | XorA | P X they look the same |
| 08:33.25 | XorA | what it really is, is I bug koen so much he is used to answering me :-) |
| 08:33.37 | Philippe_work | :-) |
| 08:35.12 | Philippe_work | koen, I will make sure I do not need to bug Kompo. I will bribe him with Belgian beer :-) |
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| 08:37.26 | ade|desk | if oil is running out, convert the oil pipelines to beer pipelines and carry it across to finland |
| 08:37.47 | bedboi | hi there |
| 08:38.31 | koen | hey bedboi |
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| 08:40.17 | koen | ~hail zecke |
| 08:40.21 | ibot | ACTION bows down to zecke and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 08:40.34 | zecke | ~lart irssi |
| 08:50.33 | zecke | koen: stop using proprietary software, use octave ;) |
| 08:50.53 | koen | :P |
| 08:52.43 | bedboi | florian_kc: do you have any hints about finding out dimension of the drawable in gpe-calendar (the one where all views are displayed)_ |
| 08:52.45 | bedboi | ? |
| 09:00.41 | bedboi | the problem is that when adding the scrollbar the size of the drawable is not update (or at least it seems not to be updated) |
| 09:02.56 | Philippe_work | ade|desk, that is a really good idea! |
| 09:03.43 | XorA | NOTE: package firefox-1.5b1: completed |
| 09:03.48 | Philippe_work | bedboi, what do you mean with that drawable? |
| 09:07.48 | bedboi | gpe-calendar has one widget called "draw" where it draws all views |
| 09:08.24 | Philippe_work | bedboi, so you need the size of the widget then (not window or screen) |
| 09:08.37 | bedboi | yes |
| 09:08.46 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 09:09.13 | bedboi | Philippe_work: i just found gdk_drawable_get_size |
| 09:09.18 | koen | hey florian_kc |
| 09:09.26 | bedboi | btw it gives me random numbers |
| 09:09.32 | Philippe_work | morning florian_kc |
| 09:09.44 | Philippe_work | bedboi: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-list/1998-June/msg00115.html |
| 09:12.50 | bedboi | Philippe_work: hmm..if i try to printf draw->allocation.width i get "1" |
| 09:12.54 | bedboi | same with height |
| 09:13.19 | Philippe_work | Just found this : gtk_widget_get_size |
| 09:13.55 | bedboi | i have gtk_widget_get_size_request |
| 09:14.40 | florian_kc | bedboi: there is some possebility that this is a bug in te widget itself... |
| 09:15.11 | florian_kc | but on the other hand it works fine outside of a scrolled window |
| 09:15.14 | bedboi | also if i try to gtk_widget_realize it, it fails |
| 09:16.38 | bedboi | the real problem is that i need to know the size of widget "draw" also when it is resized because of the scrollbar |
| 09:16.55 | bedboi | to scale down the month view |
| 09:21.52 | florian_kc | bedboi: what happens if you don't use gtk_widget_set_size_request() at all? |
| 09:27.03 | koen | Philippe_work: does gpe-nmf cvs play oggs? |
| 09:28.05 | koen | florian_kc: do you know when a new gpe-bluetooth release will be made? |
| 09:31.24 | florian_kc | koen: it should... |
| 09:31.49 | florian_kc | koen: hmm, i guess we should do that today. |
| 09:32.57 | Philippe_work | koen, cvs might. I tried 0.22 yesterday and it managed to ply nothing at all.. |
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| 09:33.04 | Philippe_work | I'll check gpe-nmf cvs tonight |
| 09:33.59 | _law_ | Philippe, i am able to play ogg with 0.22 but its very buggy |
| 09:34.11 | _law_ | florian_kc, any news on gpe-sketchbook? |
| 09:35.06 | Philippe_work | _law_, very buggy is indeed what describes it at best. |
| 09:37.03 | florian_kc | _law_: not much, but we should bug luc about a new release |
| 09:37.29 | _law_ | i have to add an mp3 to playlist first do play ogg :-), if i only add an ogg file gpe-nmf crashs |
| 09:38.03 | florian_kc | :-/ |
| 09:40.21 | Philippe_work | _law_, gpe-nmf crashes if I try to add any file from SD.... Some free that happens in the wrong place. It definitely needs more debugging in the playlist editor |
| 09:40.33 | Philippe_work | lots of nasty warnings too.... |
| 09:41.56 | _law_ | Philippe, i have got my files on cg |
| 09:41.58 | _law_ | cf |
| 09:44.29 | _law_ | i have also an sd problem if i reboot my Z there is now sd card mounted. so i have to mount it manual. after that i always say ipkg-link mount /media/card/packages/. this takes very long. is there an faster way to activate apps on my sd? |
| 09:44.52 | _law_ | s/now/no |
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| 09:53.19 | bedboi | what's new with gpe-sketchbook? |
| 09:53.39 | koen | 11:42 < koen> Hallski: does imendio have any plans to port gnome-vfs-dbus and gconf-dbus to the new dbus api? |
| 09:53.41 | bedboi | it would be really good if we could add a background layer |
| 09:53.42 | koen | 11:46 < Hallski> yes |
| 09:53.45 | koen | 11:47 < Hallski> in october/november |
| 09:56.34 | florian_kc | bedboi: mostly a bugfix.... |
| 09:56.49 | florian_kc | koen: cool |
| 09:59.06 | bedboi | florian_kc: if i don't use gtk_widget_set_size_request the scrollbar never get displayed, because it thinks that the width/height is 1 |
| 09:59.17 | bedboi | so it's not more than the screen size |
| 09:59.43 | florian_kc | We should think about porting gpe-sketchbook toolbars to the new api. there are cool menu buttons now... |
| 10:08.52 | koen | NOTE: package gpe-calendar-0.65+cvs-20050909: completed |
| 10:10.55 | florian_kc | bedboi: hrm... nasty |
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| 10:25.15 | Cwiiis | bedboi: Maybe you can set the size of the widget after it gets shown using widget->allocation.width/height |
| 10:30.01 | bedboi | Cwiiis: i tried that |
| 10:33.48 | Cwiiis | bedboi, tried looking at the widget code, see how it gets the width/height itself? |
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| 11:10.39 | bedboi | bbl |
| 11:14.27 | florian_kc | pb_: good morning |
| 11:14.32 | pb_ | florian_kc: good morning! |
| 11:35.25 | florian_kc | heh |
| 11:42.33 | koen | florian_kc: OE is now able to build gpe-conf and gpe-calendar from cvs |
| 11:42.52 | florian_kc | koen: uh... |
| 11:43.39 | koen | both have DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = -1 |
| 11:43.54 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 11:44.51 | florian_kc | But maybe some stuff for the documentation :-) |
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| 11:55.14 | koen | hey mallum |
| 11:55.54 | mallum | hey koen |
| 11:56.04 | florian_kc | hi mallum |
| 11:56.20 | mallum | koen: the mameo ml is so great - I like 'iphone? let's go on guys!' |
| 11:56.31 | koen | heh, yes |
| 11:57.21 | koen | I finally gave in and ordered an ipod |
| 12:00.31 | koen | XorA: did you check in the new firefox yet? |
| 12:06.53 | Philippe_work | koen, the ipod nano then. In pink? |
| 12:07.29 | koen | Philippe_work: hey only come in white and black |
| 12:07.44 | koen | they* |
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| 12:11.07 | koen | hey Philippe_work |
| 12:11.18 | koen | aargh |
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| 12:11.21 | koen | hey pH5 |
| 12:11.30 | pH5 | hey koen |
| 12:11.31 | koen | pH5: 11:42 < koen> Hallski: does imendio have any plans to port gnome-vfs-dbus and gconf-dbus to the new dbus api? |
| 12:11.34 | koen | 11:46 < Hallski> yes |
| 12:11.36 | koen | 11:47 < Hallski> in october/november |
| 12:12.33 | koen | Philippe_work: the modal bug was fixed in matchbox-wm svn? |
| 12:12.58 | pH5 | koen, interesting. when is the planned gpe 2.8 release date |
| 12:14.05 | koen | my best guess is november |
| 12:14.56 | koen | gpe 2.7 will take another week or 3 |
| 12:15.07 | koen | and the 2.8 list is pretty big |
| 12:17.30 | pH5 | koen: is there a list besides http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPERoadmap? |
| 12:17.47 | koen | not that I know off |
| 12:18.04 | koen | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.19776.png |
| 12:18.18 | koen | does anybody know why it takes only half of the screen? |
| 12:18.40 | pH5 | i think it uses a minimum height per hour depending on your font size |
| 12:19.05 | pH5 | also, the day view redraws twice every time |
| 12:19.49 | pH5 | also week and month views could use the avaliable space better on vga devices |
| 12:30.08 | koen | the day and week view are roughly the same height |
| 12:31.12 | florian_kc | koen: but not the same widget... |
| 12:31.39 | Philippe_work | koen, yes it was. I checked it and it was okay |
| 12:32.01 | koen | Philippe_work: ok, so I upgraded the right package :) |
| 12:32.40 | Philippe_work | koen, if you can use the onscreen keyboard with the time-tracker you know it works :-) |
| 12:33.59 | florian_kc | koen: the day view is still a clist and not rendered |
| 12:34.05 | Philippe_work | hmm, seems somebody on the mailing list wants to try making themes... |
| 12:34.44 | florian_kc | yes thats good, i'm just writing an answer |
| 12:35.13 | koen | don't forget to hint at the needed matchbox/ dir in /usr/share/themes/<name>/ |
| 12:38.04 | Philippe_work | pH5, Let's hope we get 2.7 out by end of september. Most bugs are ironed out. And the 2.8 list looks long but IMHO there is already quite a lot of work going on with stuff on that. |
| 12:39.07 | Philippe_work | pH5, btw there is a crude release schedule at the bottom of the roadmap page that sets end of december/january as release period for 2.8 (which might be a bit optimistic) |
| 12:40.03 | Philippe_work | koen, I wondered if you had images (or could send me some correctly conf files for building it) with Alsa support so that I can test them idepently. |
| 12:40.30 | koen | Philippe_work: alsa is a big black hole for me |
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| 12:42.11 | Philippe_work | ok, I should ask reenoo about that then. Anyway I don't think it is a 2.7 blocking issue. We have sound. |
| 12:42.21 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 12:42.44 | koen | gpe should also be fairly oss/alsa agnostic |
| 12:42.51 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 12:43.08 | koen | maybe bedboi has a solution for http://handhelds.org/scap/port.19776.png |
| 12:43.35 | bedboi | what's this? |
| 12:43.41 | koen | day view |
| 12:43.50 | koen | but it is anly filling half the screen |
| 12:44.08 | bedboi | yes because it use clist |
| 12:44.10 | bedboi | or something |
| 12:44.31 | koen | clists can't fill the available space? |
| 12:44.37 | bedboi | i'll work on dayview just this afternood |
| 12:44.41 | bedboi | s/nood/noon |
| 12:45.27 | bedboi | btw i first need to hear some words |
| 12:45.32 | bedboi | how to handle Reminders? |
| 12:46.42 | bedboi | koen: don't have any idea |
| 12:46.59 | bedboi | btw i think that it is possible |
| 12:47.58 | bedboi | btw clist is deprecated |
| 12:48.12 | bedboi | a quick fix should be this: |
| 12:48.14 | bedboi | gtk_clist_set_row_height |
| 12:49.47 | florian_kc | bedboi: yes... that day view is some very old piece of code... |
| 12:54.28 | Philippe_work | update the to-fix list to reflect better what is fixed but not confirmed fixed or included in a test build : http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPEToFixFor2_2e7 |
| 12:56.58 | XorA | koen: new firefox is non functional :-( |
| 13:02.08 | bedboi | XorA: yes |
| 13:02.10 | bedboi | really buggy |
| 13:02.31 | XorA | bedboi: on Z it runs but never opens a window :-( |
| 13:04.34 | koen | iconsize = 31: http://handhelds.org/scap/land.27462.png |
| 13:06.40 | bedboi | koen: fontisize? |
| 13:07.15 | bedboi | 7? |
| 13:07.15 | koen | 6 |
| 13:07.37 | bedboi | fair |
| 13:07.47 | bedboi | i like that |
| 13:08.14 | bedboi | application font size? |
| 13:09.19 | bedboi | Philippe_work: www.gmail.com doesn't work in gpe-mini-browser because of ssl lack? |
| 13:10.12 | koen | bedboi: http://handhelds.org/scap/land.28659.png |
| 13:11.07 | bedboi | it's the same setup i use |
| 13:11.27 | koen | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.29338.png |
| 13:11.31 | Philippe_work | bedboi, I am afraid so. (and actually gtk-webcore lacks ssl not gpe-mini-browser) |
| 13:11.36 | koen | with a modified gtkrc |
| 13:11.52 | bedboi | Philippe_work: oh, yes i know it's gtk-webcore to blame :) |
| 13:12.19 | koen | or curl ;) |
| 13:12.34 | Philippe_work | curl would be the best one to blame :-) |
| 13:12.45 | koen | bedboi: any idea on how to get smaller buttons? |
| 13:19.32 | Kompo | Philippe_work: do you have any opinion about svn? I'm thinking that if I get the my modifications working (in this century), should I import the "new codebase" to some svn capable oss community site, like berlios? |
| 13:20.16 | koen | berlios is to unstable for serious projects |
| 13:20.25 | koen | unless you don't mind downtimes of multiple days |
| 13:20.31 | zecke | Kompo: wait for hh.org to settle |
| 13:20.40 | zecke | Kompo: then we will install svn as well |
| 13:20.51 | Kompo | koen: ok. That's the kind of info I was looking for |
| 13:23.16 | Kompo | zecke: hh.org is one potential place, as there's not much interest/reason to use gtk version of webcore in other projects |
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| 13:30.27 | Philippe_work | Kompo, once we have a decent gtk-webcore there will be interest for it I guess. |
| 13:31.34 | florian_kc | yep... even for PCs this will be intersting... its a very good replacement for Dillo :-) |
| 13:32.21 | Philippe_work | Which cancels out my plans for supporting the dillo widget in gpe-mini-browser... |
| 13:34.03 | Philippe_work | We will need a small-screen rendere however... |
| 13:34.08 | florian_kc | Philippe_work: hmm yes... i don't think that's worth spending time in it. The Dillo maintainers intend to move to fltk... for about two years now. |
| 13:34.35 | florian_kc | Philippe_work: yes indeed... thats an important point, and dillo was good doing this. |
| 13:34.47 | Philippe_work | florian_kc, They are almost done. I have seen a working prototype |
| 13:35.21 | florian_kc | Philippe_work: it took some time... |
| 13:35.44 | Philippe_work | I know the dillo dev personally also, and the reason why it all takes so long is because he won't declare a line of code stable until he tested it at least 100 times |
| 13:37.23 | Philippe_work | Anyway Dillo can do amazing things that no browser can do atm. |
| 13:38.23 | florian_kc | yeah... that's true, its really a pity that they don't really accept patches and move to fltk |
| 13:40.52 | Kompo | Philippe_work: which things in particular? small-screen rendering? |
| 13:44.32 | Philippe_work | small screen rendering is one thing. No it is really , but really fast and multi-threaded. It also fetches stuff from the net really efficiently. |
| 13:46.02 | Philippe_work | It starts rendering very fast too. (I've seen it render stuff like a huge x MB file on a pentium 233 mmx with 64 Mb ram quite fast while a pentium 4 with 512Mb and firefox just chocked) |
| 13:46.51 | Kompo | There must be some points worth checking and learning.. |
| 13:47.20 | koen | their fosdem presentation was pretty nice |
| 13:47.33 | Kompo | does it support javascript, btw? |
| 13:47.35 | koen | too bad dillo doesn't do css, js, frames and ssl |
| 13:47.41 | Kompo | ok |
| 13:50.02 | Kompo | it's only that if you implement only subset of the features that are needed for real web, you can make significant short-cuts. |
| 13:51.27 | Philippe_work | frames, css and ssl works in the prototypes I think. (which are stable I believe, I am still wondering why it has not been released yet) |
| 13:51.42 | Philippe_work | But no javascript AFAIK |
| 13:51.55 | Philippe_work | Which is why I first wanted to try GTK-webcore. |
| 13:53.42 | Philippe_work | Kompo, Anyway we need to convince Nokia to let you work on GTK-webcore to replace Opera :-) |
| 14:04.13 | Kompo | Philippe_work: yeah. well.. :) anyway, building a browser is too much for one guy.. |
| 14:04.43 | mallum | Opera is *very* fast on 770 |
| 14:05.03 | mallum | and seems to be able to render anything you throw at it |
| 14:05.19 | Philippe_work | mallum, that is good news for Opera :-) |
| 14:06.25 | Philippe_work | Kompo, I would do the browser :-) |
| 14:07.53 | Kompo | Yes, opera is good piece of software |
| 14:08.23 | koen | to bad it's closed |
| 14:08.26 | koen | too* |
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| 14:37.28 | florian_kc | mallum: Opera itself is more or less as fast as GtkWebcore... only the flash plugin is really slow. |
| 14:42.17 | Philippe_work | florian_kc, that is probabely why macromedia does not want people to see their code. That flash crap... iew. I wished there were less sites using it. |
| 14:43.13 | florian_kc | Philippe_work: yeah |
| 14:47.36 | mallum | florian_kc: what about memory usage ? and is it stable ? |
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| 14:53.05 | florian_kc | mallum: i'm not sure about how much of memory it needs while it is working, gpe-mini-browser needs about 2mb iirc without displaying anything. i'd like to analyse this kind of stuff, but i'm currently a little bit low of time. |
| 14:53.40 | florian_kc | mallum: stable more or less, not perfect but usable... i guess it would need some additional love. |
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| 14:59.19 | mallum | florian_kc: right |
| 15:00.48 | florian_kc | mallum: but imho that's the way to go... |
| 15:01.16 | koen | mallum: do you have some document describing mb2? |
| 15:01.54 | florian_kc | mallum: btw.. do you have a pdf of the matchbox theme manual? |
| 15:01.57 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 15:02.25 | florian_kc | koen: in my latest h3900 build users are not allowed to write to mmc/sd |
| 15:02.29 | koen | florian_kc: http://projects.o-hand.com/matchbox/documentation/manual/matchbox-manual.pdf |
| 15:02.51 | koen | florian_kc: busybox doesn't know the 'user' option |
| 15:02.58 | koen | no idea on how to fix that |
| 15:03.15 | koen | maybe chmod the mount point or something |
| 15:03.20 | florian_kc | koen: thats not the theme manual |
| 15:03.45 | florian_kc | koen: that used to work some time ago |
| 15:03.45 | koen | http://projects.o-hand.com/matchbox/documentation/manual/themes/index.html |
| 15:03.47 | koen | 404 |
| 15:03.49 | koen | grrrrr |
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| 15:05.40 | mallum | http://projects.o-hand.com/matchbox/documentation/themes/index.html |
| 15:06.03 | mallum | florian_kc: there is docbook manual in svn can be converted to pdf |
| 15:06.28 | koen | mallum: http://projects.o-hand.com/matchbox/documentation/manual/x18.html#WMTHEMES then click on "Matchbox Themeing-Howto" |
| 15:06.36 | florian_kc | mallum: okay... as long as you don't have one laying around that's a good idea. |
| 15:07.21 | mallum | koen: yeah Im aware of it |
| 15:07.23 | mallum | one sec |
| 15:08.46 | lamikr | Hi, I think I noticed today a bug that crashed gpe-login... Is somebody brave enought to test :-) |
| 15:09.05 | mallum | koen: try now |
| 15:09.25 | koen | mallum: works like a charm |
| 15:10.38 | florian_kc | lamikr: oh.. how did you manage to do this? |
| 15:10.51 | mallum | koen: Im actually redoing the mb site |
| 15:11.02 | mallum | koen: no document as yet on mb2 |
| 15:13.16 | lamikr | florian_kc: I simply opened the gpe's user-info application and filled my own information and pressed ok. Next time when I logged off, the login-screen was not functioning anymore. I was able to see the white area where should be combobox and also the keyboard. But I could not enter anything or press ok button. |
| 15:14.28 | florian_kc | lamikr: ah well.. yes, that's an open issue.. i'm woring on a fix. |
| 15:16.37 | lamikr | Ok, good that you already know it. Same happened for me also about one week ago, but then I did not understood the reason of bug. Do you know any fast method for me to fix the error from my image without reinstall, for ex. some text file I could edit by hand? |
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| 15:17.38 | koen | rm /etc/gpe/owner* |
| 15:17.40 | koen | (iirc) |
| 15:17.55 | Philippe_work | lamikr, remove etc/gpe/ownerinfo.data with the serial console. |
| 15:18.11 | Philippe_work | lamikr, btw it is on the http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPEToFixFor2_2e7 list under gpe-conf |
| 15:18.29 | florian_kc | Philippe_work: ah thanks |
| 15:19.26 | lamikr | philippe: Ok, I will start looking that list. I need now go for a weekend travel, but I hurried to irc this before leaving... Bye and have a nice weekend! |
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| 15:20.06 | koen | feature request: make the first run wizard fill in your name into the gpe-contacts db and use that as 'my vcard' |
| 15:20.30 | florian_kc | koen: yeah... that would be usefull |
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| 15:22.15 | koen | pH5: I updated avahi in OE this morning to 0.4 |
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| 15:32.04 | florian_kc | Philippe_work: gpe-mini-browser should set its application icon to the window. |
| 15:37.03 | Philippe_work | ok I will add that. |
| 15:41.39 | bedboi | Philippe_work: cool... you added zoom +/- |
| 15:42.53 | florian_kc | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.15148.png |
| 15:43.00 | florian_kc | looks good :-) |
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| 15:43.54 | Philippe_work | florian_kc, yes it does :-) I tried it on the netbook. I just want to avoid that matchbox sets the bookmark window fullscreen, but I do not know how to do that. |
| 15:44.05 | Philippe_work | btw is a feature request from koen |
| 15:44.38 | Philippe_work | ~hail koen for useful feature requests |
| 15:44.42 | ibot | ACTION bows down to koen for useful feature requests and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 15:46.37 | florian_kc | Philippe_work: that's easy, make it a dialog... you can set the type hint with gtk, no need to use a gtk dialog. |
| 15:49.36 | Philippe_work | florian_kc, ah okay. I tried a dialog but then I needed to rewrite the whole interface because of the different boxes I used... |
| 15:49.51 | Philippe_work | Bu tif that type hinting works that would be great. |
| 15:51.54 | bedboi | is it your birthday? |
| 15:51.55 | bedboi | or what? |
| 15:51.56 | Philippe_work | Anybody that happens to be around Zaventem (Brussels) is welcome :-) |
| 15:52.02 | koen | Philippe_work: and drinking all the beer :) |
| 15:52.13 | Philippe_work | bedboi, no. Next week I will be moving to Finland. |
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| 15:52.26 | bedboi | ah, ok... so behave and get drunk :) |
| 15:52.44 | Philippe_work | Not much real beer there (and really expensive) so I will try to get make up for it beforehand. |
| 15:52.47 | bedboi | Philippe_work: are you going to stay there for a long period? |
| 15:52.57 | Philippe_work | bedboi, not to drunk, I need to get back by bike |
| 15:53.14 | bedboi | Philippe_work: yep. i met some finnish guys at a conference and they told me that alchool it's really expensive there |
| 15:53.20 | Philippe_work | bedboi, a few years maybe? There is no real timeframe on that. |
| 15:54.17 | Philippe_work | later guys |
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| 16:22.59 | ||cw | bedboi: I've heard that too, but from someone in nl. the locals get a good buzz on at home then go to the bars so they don't buy so much there |
| 16:28.18 | bedboi | working on day view |
| 16:30.01 | florian_kc | bedboi: oh... that's a good idea! |
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| 16:37.40 | bedboi | it compiles |
| 16:47.12 | koen | ||cw: but the dutch are cheapskates in general |
| 16:48.13 | bedboi | i've been in poland |
| 16:48.27 | bedboi | half a liter for .80 eur |
| 16:48.41 | bedboi | that's the place to be if you live for beer |
| 16:49.07 | bedboi | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.21990.png |
| 16:49.25 | bedboi | in work |
| 16:49.37 | koen | bedboi: looks cool |
| 16:49.56 | ||cw | but is it good beer or just beer? |
| 16:50.14 | bedboi | ||cw: great beer |
| 16:51.02 | florian_kc | bedboi: oh... that looks much better than before! |
| 16:53.47 | koen | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.21990.png |
| 16:53.56 | koen | saves your neck muscles a bit |
| 16:55.57 | bedboi | ;( |
| 16:55.58 | bedboi | :) |
| 16:56.13 | bedboi | now |
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| 16:56.19 | bedboi | i have a little decision problem |
| 16:56.41 | bedboi | i have a popup for quick infos about the appointment |
| 16:56.51 | bedboi | you just click on the event rectangle and it shows infos |
| 16:57.08 | bedboi | with description and what else |
| 16:57.21 | bedboi | what key press to use for editing? |
| 17:01.14 | florian_kc | hmm... "e"? :-) |
| 17:01.22 | florian_kc | sorry 'e' ;-) |
| 17:02.01 | rob_w | phhuu i see lots of little gtk problems on a current snapshot ,, how come ? |
| 17:02.51 | florian_kc | rob_w: using 2.8? |
| 17:02.57 | bedboi | florian_kc: ? |
| 17:03.19 | rob_w | the snapshots mentioned in the topic here |
| 17:03.25 | bedboi | florian_kc: i mean what event->button |
| 17:04.33 | bedboi | i would like to use single click to open the popup and double click to edit the event |
| 17:04.39 | koen | have a 'edit' thingie in the details |
| 17:05.01 | koen | and bind edit to right click as well |
| 17:05.23 | bedboi | right click is "3", isn't it? |
| 17:05.28 | bedboi | that's how i have it |
| 17:05.42 | bedboi | btw it doesn't work because on the first click it opens the popup |
| 17:05.52 | florian_kc | thats a good idea... it is similar in the other views |
| 17:07.08 | florian_kc | bedboi: ah... you can work with the rellease events then... there is a section in the documentation which shows the order of events which occur on a doubleclick. |
| 17:08.57 | bedboi | maybe with event->type |
| 17:09.49 | bedboi | hmm |
| 17:10.54 | florian_kc | yep |
| 17:11.47 | bedboi | no, i always have 4 |
| 17:13.20 | bedboi | i'm hating this stuff |
| 17:13.43 | bedboi | btw i remember that i managed with greader to do something like this |
| 17:15.18 | bedboi | nah it is simpler there... |
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| 17:24.36 | bedboi | grrr |
| 17:24.55 | bedboi | i'm going crazy finding out how to get a double click |
| 17:25.28 | bedboi | s/double click/right click/ |
| 17:26.25 | koen | double clicks on a touchscreen is annoying |
| 17:26.36 | bedboi | right click is better |
| 17:26.38 | koen | s/is/are/ |
| 17:26.41 | bedboi | btw i have same problem |
| 17:30.01 | florian_kc | bedboi: do you have devhelp? |
| 17:32.23 | florian_kc | bedboi: the GdkEventButton section of the gtk devhelp book section contains the list of events. |
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| 18:06.15 | mreimer | are there settings somewhere to specify how long a double-click should be, or how far the cursor can move and still be considered a double-click? I find that quick taps don't always work in mb; an icon or button might be highlighted but not actually selected/clicked. |
| 18:07.29 | florian_kc | mreimer: iirc you can adjust this, i guess there is an xsetting for these stuff... but i don't know offhand. |
| 18:07.39 | mreimer | thanks florian_kc |
| 18:12.08 | florian_kc | mallum: how do you translate the theme docbook? it gives me a pile of error messsages if i use docbook2pdf |
| 18:14.51 | mallum | florian_kc: wierd |
| 18:15.02 | mallum | florian_kc: I havn't touched it in a long time |
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| 18:15.55 | mallum | florian_kc: last thing was fixing up matchbox-manual.xml . I guess I need to do themes doc after that |
| 18:18.27 | florian_kc | mallum: If i convert to html i get error messages too, but finally i have some html files. |
| 18:21.37 | mallum | florian_kc: cool |
| 18:24.36 | bedboi | i'll try to fix that later at home |
| 18:24.56 | bedboi | or tomorrow morning. Too bad i don't have internet connection at home :( |
| 18:25.00 | bedboi | bye all |
| 18:25.06 | florian_kc | home... that's a good idea |
| 18:25.09 | florian_kc | bedboi: cu |
| 18:25.13 | florian_kc | bbl |
| 18:25.15 | bedboi | ;( |
| 18:25.16 | bedboi | :) |
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| 19:08.29 | _law_ | hey |
| 19:16.27 | koen | hey _law_ |
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| 19:25.11 | florian | re |
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| 19:36.51 | florian | justman: your screenshots look broken ;-) what kind of device is this? |
| 19:38.52 | justman | h1930 ... i mind scarp not compatible whis this device - fbshot make screenshot fine ... |
| 19:40.26 | justman | see here http://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/big7R3iTz.png |
| 19:43.32 | florian | justman: ah... maybe send nelson a framebuffer dump, /proc/cpuinfo contents and fbset output |
| 19:45.55 | koen | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.29338.png vs http://handhelds.org/scap/land.21990.png |
| 19:46.04 | koen | which scrollbar has the best width? |
| 19:47.39 | florian | hmm... half the way between these two? |
| 19:47.49 | justman | florian: xmm... may be ... I see it is not only my problem ... all screens for 1930/1940 look broken |
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| 19:48.23 | florian | justman: right.. usually he is pretty fast adding support for a new device. |
| 19:48.51 | florian | lolita__: Any more success with the calendar? |
| 19:49.54 | florian | doh! |
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| 20:02.10 | koen | florian: that would be 12.5 points :) |
| 20:02.16 | koen | (halfway) |
| 20:03.06 | florian | hmm... well... 12? :-} |
| 20:03.34 | justman | BTW: Why GPE not contents standard libpng ? |
| 20:04.05 | koen | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.5954.png |
| 20:04.38 | koen | /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0 is present over here |
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| 20:05.41 | koen | florian: 12 looks better IMHO |
| 20:05.49 | koen | not too big and not too small |
| 20:07.29 | florian | koen: looks good... but the window decoration wastes space and looks ugly |
| 20:08.26 | justman | koen: oops ... ipkg list | grep png |
| 20:08.28 | justman | gdk-pixbuf-loader-png - 2.6.7-r1 - |
| 20:08.29 | justman | libpng12-0 - 1.2.8-r0 ... yes ... i'm sorry |
| 20:12.08 | koen | florian: the default theme wasts more space |
| 20:13.09 | koen | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.6996.png |
| 20:14.54 | koen | side by side: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/themes.html |
| 20:16.44 | koen | notice the 'sides' in the default theme |
| 20:17.35 | florian | koen: thats right, but the top decoration in the default theme is much cleaner and a little bit smaller |
| 20:17.59 | koen | I can shave of 3 pixel on the top decoration |
| 20:18.46 | florian | :-) |
| 20:18.50 | koen | and with industrial you don't have to quit buttons above eachother ;) |
| 20:18.56 | koen | s/to/two/ |
| 20:18.56 | florian | and the ugly pixmap! |
| 20:19.09 | florian | heh |
| 20:19.24 | florian | koen: have the whole bar :-) |
| 20:19.30 | florian | +s |
| 20:20.05 | koen | I think I can dig up the patch to have the titlebar full width |
| 20:22.15 | florian | drop it |
| 20:28.46 | koen | botmail for mallum: did you say you had a clearlooks mb theme lying around? |
| 20:28.57 | koen | ~botmail for mallum: did you say you had a clearlooks mb theme lying around? |
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| 20:52.04 | koen | hey mimecar |
| 20:52.07 | mimecar | good night... |
| 20:52.34 | koen | mimecar: 'good night' is usually a goodbye |
| 20:52.55 | koen | good evening is probably the closest to buena sera |
| 20:53.38 | mimecar | evening is -| 19-20 pm , ? |
| 20:53.47 | mimecar | well |
| 20:53.50 | mimecar | good evening |
| 20:53.51 | mimecar | :p |
| 20:55.57 | mimecar | koen: when will be realease gpe 2.7 ? |
| 20:57.04 | koen | the end of september is the best guess I can make |
| 20:57.16 | mimecar | ok |
| 20:57.49 | mimecar | we're starting a project related with gpe (some members of spanish user group= |
| 20:58.43 | mimecar | a pim application wich will work with pim databases |
| 20:59.05 | mreimer | is minilite appearing in different parts of the screen (usually top-left) a known problem? |
| 20:59.22 | koen | yes |
| 20:59.32 | koen | it should be fixed in matchbox svn |
| 20:59.58 | mreimer | great, thanks |
| 21:00.17 | mreimer | what about xkbd appearing behind windows? makes it hard to use ;-) |
| 21:00.26 | mreimer | with industrial |
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| 21:01.56 | florian | mreimer: oh... thats new for me |
| 21:02.08 | mreimer | let me see how to reproduce it |
| 21:04.58 | mreimer | log in, tap Calendar, tap a time slot, tap the "new" button, then tap the keyboard icon on the panel. I see this: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.11651.png |
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| 21:07.59 | mreimer | maybe composite is messing it up? |
| 21:10.36 | koen | could be |
| 21:11.01 | koen | composite = sqrt(evil) |
| 21:11.21 | mreimer | but it's so pretty |
| 21:11.33 | mreimer | are there a lot of bugs related to composite? |
| 21:11.53 | koen | some |
| 21:12.01 | koen | and they are hard to track down |
| 21:12.19 | mreimer | do you know if arm has any asm optimization for composite? |
| 21:12.41 | koen | I'm pretty sure it hasn't |
| 21:12.51 | koen | but kdrive has gained mmx support |
| 21:12.59 | mreimer | yeah, that's great |
| 21:13.01 | koen | and we're all curious how that'll map to iwmmx |
| 21:14.51 | mreimer | yeah, you'll need extra speed with a vga display |
| 21:16.33 | mreimer | does ipaq-sleep work? it's running on my system but nothing's happening |
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| 21:18.41 | koen | accelerated X would be nice on a vga display too |
| 21:18.53 | koen | fills, rects, blits |
| 21:19.10 | koen | and overlays for movies |
| 21:19.19 | mreimer | yes. Joshua's sending Spyro a h2200 so he can do that |
| 21:19.49 | koen | iirc pb_ couldn't get mq accell into X |
| 21:20.08 | koen | but the h5xxx project probably didn't have enough time |
| 21:20.11 | mreimer | really? do you remember what the problem was? |
| 21:20.35 | koen | it was a paid port, so I guess the funds ran out sooner as teh motivation |
| 21:20.40 | mreimer | ah |
| 21:20.48 | mreimer | that would be nice |
| 21:20.49 | koen | the* |
| 21:24.09 | florian | mreimer: oh dear.... |
| 21:27.34 | florian | mreimer: ipaq-sleep... yes... to some extent, that will be a candidate to replace when we introduce a device control framework. |
| 21:27.46 | mreimer | yep |
| 21:27.53 | mreimer | root@h3900:~# ipaq-sleep -a -n -x -c -p |
| 21:27.53 | mreimer | Segmentation fault |
| 21:29.13 | koen | florian: if you say 'device control framework' one more time, we will lock you in a room and won't let you out till you finished it |
| 21:29.27 | florian | *g* |
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| 21:31.16 | florian | first we have a release to finish... |
| 21:32.36 | florian | hmm... mgp has quite some dependencies :-/ |
| 21:33.26 | koen | call them :) |
| 21:33.38 | koen | damn, wrong window *again* |
| 21:40.24 | koen | 'night all |
| 21:42.19 | florian | koen|sleep: good night |
| 21:43.03 | mreimer | nite koen |
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| 23:40.38 | florian | good night |
