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| 09:06.18 | pH5 | good morning |
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| 09:59.52 | Philippe | morning |
| 10:02.05 | pH5 | morning Philippe |
| 10:10.30 | koen|train | good morning all |
| 10:11.34 | Philippe | morning koen |
| 10:11.36 | pH5 | morning koen. |
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| 10:28.28 | koen|train | pH5: afaik Requires in the .pc aren't used by OE |
| 10:28.29 | koen|train | but I'm not sure |
| 10:29.22 | pH5 | they are used by pkg-config |
| 10:30.03 | pH5 | 'pkg-config --cflags cairo' is the same as 'pkg-config --cflags cairo freetype2' if cairo Requires freetype2 |
| 10:43.22 | koen|train | ah, ok |
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| 11:16.18 | pH5 | koen|train: I built a new hx4700 gpe image (it's at http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~zabel/hx4700/) because I was dumb enough to ipkg remove busybox. The sound module still Oopses, unfortunalely. |
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| 13:04.19 | koen|slug | pH5: what are those funky icons: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.20301.png? |
| 13:05.59 | pH5 | koen: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/ |
| 13:08.11 | koen|slug | a fairly stupid question: how do I select those icons in GPE? |
| 13:09.13 | lardman | afternoon all |
| 13:09.25 | pH5 | koen|slug: I just copied a few of them them by hand into ~/.icons/Industrial/48x48/apps. |
| 13:09.27 | koen|slug | hey lardman |
| 13:09.38 | pH5 | hi lardman |
| 13:09.48 | lardman | hi koen, pH5 |
| 13:11.43 | koen|slug | pH5: cool, much easier as I expected |
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| 13:13.38 | koen|slug | hey cmarqu |
| 13:15.06 | koen|slug | pH5: that image is with gtk 2.8 and dbus 0.30 ? |
| 13:15.20 | pH5 | koen|slug: yes. 2.8.3 and 0.34 |
| 13:16.03 | pH5 | it's missing the xrandr applet fix, the correct module-init-tools patch and todd's hciattach patch, but the modified packages are in the feed/ directory |
| 13:16.29 | koen|slug | xrandr fix? |
| 13:16.36 | koen|slug | the left and right or something else? |
| 13:17.04 | pH5 | there was the 'fi' missing in xrandr-panelapp.sh |
| 13:17.30 | koen|slug | aha |
| 13:17.37 | koen|slug | that fix is in OE already? |
| 13:17.59 | pH5 | yes |
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| 13:28.29 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 13:29.56 | koen|slug | hey jsmanrique |
| 13:37.55 | jsmanrique | I haven't tried h5450 extra partition mount with new snapshots |
| 13:38.16 | jsmanrique | and gpe-mini webrowser works great |
| 13:38.25 | jsmanrique | is ssl support being done? |
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| 13:41.14 | koen|slug | they are working on ssl support |
| 13:41.38 | koen|slug | pH5 solved the rotate bug and the 'buttons don't work' bug |
| 13:42.33 | jsmanrique | aha |
| 13:42.37 | jsmanrique | nice :) |
| 13:42.52 | jsmanrique | great ! |
| 13:43.43 | jsmanrique | will gaim for small screens ready for next release? |
| 13:44.01 | koen|slug | I think so |
| 13:44.20 | jsmanrique | how much space does it take? |
| 13:45.19 | koen|slug | I little less as the original gaim |
| 13:45.42 | jsmanrique | I see |
| 13:45.52 | jsmanrique | oh, this shot is great : http://handhelds.org/scap/port.20301.png |
| 13:47.01 | jsmanrique | where can gaim be downloaded now? |
| 13:47.20 | lardman | nice icons |
| 13:47.49 | jsmanrique | I need a n770 soon :) |
| 13:48.05 | lardman | is that what that was from? |
| 13:48.11 | jsmanrique | 240x320 is getting smaller each day |
| 13:48.16 | lardman | (or is that just a general comment? :)) |
| 13:48.22 | jsmanrique | no, it is from a hp ipaq 4700 |
| 13:49.09 | jsmanrique | another nice device :) |
| 13:55.29 | lardman | random question - anyone know of any resources about intelligent batteries (like the li-ion things on our Zaurii & iPAQs, etc.)? |
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| 14:06.12 | koen|slug | ~hail zecke |
| 14:06.13 | ibot | ACTION bows down to zecke and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 14:06.32 | zecke | hey |
| 14:06.55 | pb_ | hail zecke |
| 14:08.32 | koen|slug | pH5: can you disable the in-kernel hostap modules? |
| 14:08.44 | koen|slug | pH5: they aren't working on any of my hostap cards |
| 14:12.09 | koen|slug | pH5: /etc/init.d/blueprobe doesn't know about the hx4700 either |
| 14:13.22 | pH5 | koen|slug: i'll look into this. perhaps you should tell todd that his hostap checkin doesn't work. |
| 14:14.31 | koen|slug | I also tried to tell him that upstream has merged hostap too, so he only had to update hh.org cvs to a recent kernelbranch |
| 14:38.34 | koen|slug | pH5: if only matchbox supported svg icons.... |
| 14:42.20 | lardman | would that mean they could be animated? |
| 14:42.35 | lardman | svg is like flash? |
| 14:42.48 | koen|slug | svg supports animations |
| 14:43.05 | koen|slug | the svg spec even allows embedded javascript |
| 14:43.16 | lardman | sounds a bit heavy for icons |
| 14:43.34 | lardman | animated wallpaper though... useless but cool (until you want to use it) |
| 14:43.55 | koen|slug | e17 supports that |
| 14:45.47 | lardman | I should get 'round to trying that e-image I baked |
| 14:46.12 | lardman | Are there any screenshots about of e17 on an iPAQ/Zaurus, etc.? |
| 14:46.49 | koen|slug | in mickeyl's newsletter |
| 14:47.00 | koen|slug | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/newsletters/ooo-newsletter-200508/ |
| 14:47.06 | lardman | koen|slug: how does monotone handle changes to local files if I try to update? |
| 14:47.24 | koen|slug | no idea |
| 14:47.28 | lardman | :) |
| 14:47.32 | lardman | I'll find out soon then |
| 14:47.58 | lardman | iirc there was one image in the newsletter (it's still loading), I was thinking of a few more |
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| 15:49.48 | mimecar | hi |
| 15:53.31 | lardman|away | hey mimecar |
| 15:53.52 | mimecar | hi lardman |
| 15:55.49 | mimecar | lardman: do you have gpe on zaurus ' |
| 15:56.12 | lardman | yes I do |
| 15:56.28 | mimecar | can you power off by software ? |
| 15:56.35 | lardman | yep, apm -s |
| 15:56.54 | mimecar | I can't, that command give me an error |
| 15:57.43 | mimecar | killall: apmd: no process killed, cannot open apm device: no such file or directory |
| 15:58.43 | lardman | which model Zaurus? |
| 15:58.47 | mimecar | 5500 |
| 15:59.03 | lardman | hmm, it should work on the 5500 too |
| 16:00.31 | lardman | does the on/off button work? |
| 16:01.59 | mimecar | yes |
| 16:03.46 | lardman | I don;t know, sorry. |
| 16:05.02 | mimecar | don't worry |
| 16:05.14 | mimecar | I can power off with buttons |
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| 16:11.33 | koen|slug | ah |
| 16:11.43 | mimecar | hi koen|slug |
| 16:11.44 | koen|slug | another victim of cwiiis' collie hack |
| 16:11.57 | mimecar | ??? |
| 16:12.14 | koen|slug | and stinking sharp braindeadness |
| 16:12.44 | koen|slug | cwiiis changed the startup scripts to rm the apm device |
| 16:13.21 | mimecar | is there some method to recreate it? |
| 16:13.49 | koen|slug | remove the 'rm /dev/apm_bios' command from /etc/X11/Xinit.d/<somefile> |
| 16:14.00 | koen|slug | although I don't know what would happen |
| 16:14.47 | mimecar | opie and gpe have the same base system, isn't it? |
| 16:15.08 | koen|slug | pretty much |
| 16:15.53 | lardman | why was the hack put in? |
| 16:16.07 | lardman | to stop the suspend issues, etc.? |
| 16:16.33 | koen|slug | I think so |
| 16:17.28 | lardman | mimecar: if you remove the hack, try updating the modules and flashing the new kernel and see whether it works |
| 16:17.49 | lardman | Or are you running an oe snapshot? |
| 16:18.09 | mimecar | I'm running the "oficial" gpe image |
| 16:19.36 | lardman | mimecar: http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2005/07/27/howto-get-r21-kernel-on-collie/ |
| 16:20.16 | lardman | though look at comment #w2.. |
| 16:20.21 | lardman | #2 even |
| 16:20.23 | mimecar | I followed that instructions with opie (at end, reflashing) |
| 16:20.50 | lardman | ah, you've done that already then? |
| 16:20.52 | lardman | and it works? |
| 16:21.28 | mimecar | no for me |
| 16:22.17 | lardman | what happened? |
| 16:22.26 | mimecar | I used Opie before, but Opie suspend (and halt) problems make me install gpe |
| 16:22.52 | mimecar | I rebooted more than 5 times on 5 minutes |
| 16:22.53 | lardman | Oh. The instructions work for opie as I've tested them |
| 16:23.13 | lardman | did you upgrade the kernel modules, etc.? |
| 16:23.22 | mimecar | yes, all the steps |
| 16:23.34 | lardman | odd, it worked fine for me |
| 16:23.59 | mimecar | yesterday, after move opie to sd, I lost my wifi card |
| 16:24.17 | mimecar | I wish OpenZaurus 3.5.4 resolve this bugs |
| 16:24.20 | lardman | I'm not fond of that move to SD card business |
| 16:25.27 | lardman | read comment #8 |
| 16:25.34 | lardman | looks like it should work |
| 16:25.43 | mimecar | I have 1.3 MB on flash after flash |
| 16:25.46 | mimecar | wait |
| 16:27.53 | mimecar | yes |
| 16:29.24 | mimecar | I have reflash many times this weekend |
| 16:30.17 | lardman | has it worked now then? |
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| 16:31.38 | mimecar | ?? |
| 16:33.49 | lardman | I thought you were upgrading the kernel & removing the apm hack? |
| 16:34.44 | mimecar | no, I don't |
| 16:35.23 | mimecar | I was installing opie and gpe on SD (for use both systems), but I don't get good results |
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| 16:40.30 | stealth | Hi. where is the safest feed to get minibrowser? |
| 16:41.34 | mimecar | hi stealth |
| 16:41.41 | mimecar | what pda do you have? |
| 16:41.46 | stealth | ipaq 3675 |
| 16:41.50 | stealth | arm |
| 16:42.48 | mimecar | I know feed for zaurus but not for familiar |
| 16:44.03 | koen|slug | http://handhelds.org/~philippe/ |
| 16:45.50 | stealth | that dosent look like a feed though? |
| 16:45.55 | stealth | no Packages file |
| 16:47.10 | mimecar | lardman: do you use gnome ? |
| 16:47.32 | lardman | mimecar: I don;t know, perhaps |
| 16:47.48 | lardman | mimecar: On the desktop? |
| 16:47.52 | mimecar | i would like connect to zaurus by ssh |
| 16:47.53 | mimecar | yes |
| 16:48.26 | mimecar | with graphical user interface, but I don't know the steps |
| 16:49.28 | stealth | is there a feed with both the minbrowser and evince? |
| 16:50.51 | stealth | and works |
| 16:55.02 | stealth | ugh, nothing changed in three months? shit broke as ever |
| 16:55.41 | lardman | stealth: you'll have to create your own feed, otherwise why would you be using evince? |
| 16:55.54 | stealth | why? |
| 16:55.54 | lardman | mimecar: I always use command line ssh |
| 16:55.56 | stealth | uhh |
| 16:56.01 | stealth | because i want pdf |
| 16:56.03 | lardman | evince is recent isn't it? |
| 16:56.33 | stealth | yea recent as of gpdf never working (crashing) |
| 16:57.26 | lardman | I mean it wasn't in the 3.5.3 release? |
| 17:00.18 | koen|slug | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/drupal/?q=ipkgfind&action=details&pnm=evince |
| 17:05.15 | stealth | ok, and now a working feed..? |
| 17:06.04 | koen|slug | I bet you can deduce the feed URI from that page |
| 17:06.27 | stealth | joy, just what i want to do |
| 17:09.23 | mimecar | byes |
| 17:09.26 | Philippe | stealth, http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/feed/ |
| 17:10.28 | stealth | thank you |
| 17:10.42 | stealth | now if it works... will be a miracle |
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| 17:16.09 | florian | hi all |
| 17:18.01 | koen|slug | hey florian |
| 17:18.07 | Philippe | hey florian |
| 17:18.14 | lardman | hi florian |
| 17:23.09 | pb_ | florian: good afternoon |
| 17:23.52 | lardman | wrinkly even |
| 17:45.40 | Philippe | re |
| 17:46.06 | Philippe | with a fresh mind a beer and some chips we really can start on those bookmarks.. |
| 17:47.47 | Philippe | koen|slug, lardman :-) |
| 18:03.01 | Philippe | are the mimedir and gpe-bluetooth stuff already fixed in the OE tree? Or has there been a gpe-bluetooth release with the same version number? |
| 18:06.09 | lardman | bye everyone |
| 18:06.16 | Philippe | bye lardman|gone |
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| 18:17.17 | koen|slug | Philippe: florian cheated and replaced the tarball after 10 minutes |
| 18:18.42 | stealth | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for evince: |
| 18:18.42 | stealth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.52 | stealth | i needed a working feed for evince |
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| 18:21.09 | koen|slug | stealth: build your own if you only complain about everything else |
| 18:21.43 | stealth | only complain, what else am i to do when people only do half ass |
| 18:21.53 | koen|slug | fuck off |
| 18:22.19 | stealth | mad? why mad ? because i speak the truth? |
| 18:22.25 | stealth | people always mad at the truth |
| 18:22.58 | koen|slug | show me your support contract |
| 18:23.24 | florian | stealth: Most of the people do that stuff in their free time... for no charge... |
| 18:23.25 | stealth | i knew you pull that shit |
| 18:24.12 | stealth | yea i know, can expect perfection from hobby projects |
| 18:24.18 | pb_ | koen|slug: if you want to be abusive, please do it in a different channel. |
| 18:24.46 | stealth | can/can't/g |
| 18:24.50 | koen|slug | can mr stealth be abusive somewhere else too? |
| 18:25.24 | pb_ | I didn't notice him being abusive, actually. |
| 18:25.28 | stealth | you started it with assuming I am complaining |
| 18:25.38 | koen|slug | 20:21 < stealth> only complain, what else am i to do when people only do half ass |
| 18:25.43 | pb_ | but, yes, if the two of you want to argue then please do it someplace else. |
| 18:25.57 | koen|slug | I thinks that's higly abusive and insulting |
| 18:26.03 | florian | koen|slug: put him on ignore... its not worth the peace in #gpe |
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| 18:28.33 | pb_ | right, what florian said. |
| 18:30.12 | florian | :-) |
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| 18:33.18 | koen|slug | bleh |
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| 18:34.47 | koen|slug | this just isn't my week |
| 18:34.59 | LoDown | hi koen |
| 18:35.08 | koen|slug | cold, death and a funeral next week |
| 18:35.15 | LoDown | :( |
| 18:35.31 | florian | koen|slug: that sounds bad :-( |
| 18:35.51 | Philippe | koen|slug, sad to hear that. |
| 18:41.42 | florian | bbl |
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| 20:02.58 | lamikr | Hi, everybody! We finally managed to logon to GPE without seeing crash on X with h6340! Start menu seems to have an app called "Upload screenshot", does anybody know how it is supposed to work? I clicked it but it did not do anything! |
| 20:04.13 | koen|slug | it uploads to http://handhelds.org/scap/ |
| 20:05.38 | koen|slug | and congrats! |
| 20:05.52 | lamikr | Thanks! Well, should it also take the screenshot? |
| 20:06.12 | koen|slug | yes |
| 20:06.26 | koen|slug | it executes the script ontop of the page |
| 20:07.25 | koen|slug | lamikr: which patch for the ts do I have to apply to OE? |
| 20:08.47 | Philippe | lamikr, good job! |
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| 20:09.19 | florian | re |
| 20:09.39 | lamikr | Bug 256 should have a patch file that modifies all files required under packages/tslib. I just also put there another gzip, that shows the modified files in a way they are supposed to be after running the patch. |
| 20:09.43 | florian | Philippe: good... its really complex, but powerful... |
| 20:11.09 | lamikr | Philippe: Thanks, the Husam has done the hardest work. I have just tried to put pieces together and now suddenly found a solution for the X crash problem. |
| 20:11.39 | Philippe | florian : I can finally open a pre-defined bookmark :-) |
| 20:12.12 | Philippe | lamikr, Well congratulations to him too! I can't wait to see an extra supported device. |
| 20:12.42 | florian | Philippe: sounds like progress :-) |
| 20:12.48 | lamikr | philippe: I will pass! |
| 20:13.11 | koen|slug | lamikr: what was the fix? |
| 20:13.45 | koen|slug | (ts patch applied) |
| 20:14.37 | lamikr | koen: Nothing in X itself. It was one memory config option in X and start-up parameter. I still need to make some testings to understand the problem, now I only know the solution :-) |
| 20:19.14 | JiniDog | has anyone tried oxine on a PDA? |
| 20:20.11 | koen|slug | oxine looks pretty neat |
| 20:20.15 | lamikr | koen: I enabled the memory passthrought option in kernel config and passed parameters: "mem=32M at 0x10000000" as an extra parameter for the kernel. Need next try whether it will also work with mem=64M. |
| 20:20.26 | lamikr | koen: Thanks for applying ts patches. |
| 20:22.26 | koen|slug | np |
| 20:22.30 | koen|slug | sorry for the delay |
| 20:27.07 | lamikr | Hmm, something wrong with scap screenshot. See http://handhelds.org/scap/port.15413.png |
| 20:28.25 | koen|slug | lamikr: could you install http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/feed/scap_0.1-r4_arm.ipk ? |
| 20:28.45 | koen|slug | if that fails, try typing 'scap' in the root terminal |
| 20:29.16 | Philippe | or make sure you use the scap script on http://handhelds.org/scap/ or fbgrab. |
| 20:32.01 | pH5 | The script on http://handhelds.org/scap/ has /sbin, but it's actually in /usr/sbin here. |
| 20:32.26 | koen|slug | fbset is in /usr/sbin? |
| 20:33.06 | pH5 | hm... in my image, it is. |
| 20:33.31 | koen|slug | D'oh |
| 20:33.41 | koen|slug | it seems I lied to nelson about fbset :/ |
| 20:33.46 | lamikr | The script in /usr/bin/scap seems to be same than in the http://handhelds.org/scap/. I do not have fbgrap installed. I also have /usr/sbin/fbset |
| 20:34.07 | lamikr | (build today by using DISTRO=familiar-0.8.3) |
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| 20:37.58 | lamikr | The scap I have seems to be calling the fbset correctly. (Calls just fbset, not /sbin/fbset) |
| 20:38.17 | koen|slug | lamikr: is fbset in your PATH? |
| 20:38.26 | koen|slug | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/feed/fbgrab_1.0-r0_arm.ipk |
| 20:38.39 | lamikr | koen: yes. |
| 20:39.34 | koen|slug | fbgrab should work |
| 20:40.06 | koen|slug | sleep 5 ; fbgrap name.png |
| 20:40.57 | koen|slug | lamikr: don't forget to send a screen shot like http://handhelds.org/~gpe/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=Various-Devices to the h6300-port mailinglist |
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| 20:45.04 | lamikr | koen: I installed fbgrap and it made a nice png. Where I should send it so that it can be put to http://handhelds.org/~gpe/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=Various-Devices |
| 20:51.25 | pH5 | koen|slug: about the hostap in-kernel modules, they are already disabled in the hx4700 defconfig... |
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| 20:51.56 | florian_kc | hi Cwiiis |
| 20:52.52 | Cwiiis | Hi |
| 20:56.09 | koen|slug | pH5: I expected as much |
| 20:56.37 | koen|slug | someone messed up Kconfigs/Makefiles |
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| 20:58.26 | mimecar | nights |
| 21:00.49 | koen|slug | pH5: it's been that way for some months now |
| 21:01.45 | pH5 | koen|slug: todd in 20050823, i guess? |
| 21:02.44 | koen|slug | much earlier |
| 21:02.50 | pH5 | hm. drivers/net/wireless/Makefile has "obj-y += hostap/", that was jamey |
| 21:03.02 | koen|slug | I did some work on the h2200 and noticed the problem in june (?) |
| 21:03.09 | pH5 | 2003/10/15 |
| 21:03.10 | koen|slug | but I wasn't sure |
| 21:04.54 | pH5 | koen|slug: the "obj-m += hostap_cs.o" line in the hostap Makefile is by pb_, 20050315. |
| 21:05.34 | pH5 | pb_: did you force us to build hostap, no matter what? |
| 21:05.50 | koen|slug | could be one of the kernel updates |
| 21:06.38 | pH5 | cvs log says "update to hostap-driver 0.1.3" |
| 21:06.57 | pb_ | that does sound rather bogus. |
| 21:07.09 | pb_ | although, compiling the module ought to be harmless enough: nobody says that you have to _use_ it. |
| 21:07.41 | pH5 | Hm. Maybe the hostap patches didn't have the CONFIG_HOSTAP stuff. |
| 21:08.34 | pH5 | pb_: right. it does compile, at least :) |
| 21:09.18 | koen|slug | it doesn't work with any hostap card I have, though |
| 21:10.03 | pb_ | well, sure, but disabling the driver isn't going to make it work. |
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| 21:10.57 | koen|slug | but the current situation with a nonworking driver isn't satisfactory either |
| 21:11.22 | koen|slug | especially since installing hostap-modules doesn't solve the problem, since the in-kernel once get picked every time |
| 21:11.22 | pH5 | Does a working driver exist out of the kernel tree? |
| 21:11.30 | koen|slug | bitbake hostap-modules |
| 21:11.39 | koen|slug | which work great |
| 21:11.48 | pH5 | why not put this into kernel cvs? |
| 21:12.07 | florian_kc | moray: The matchbox stuff in Debian is broken, is there an update on the horizon? :-) |
| 21:12.15 | koen|slug | where do we draw the line? |
| 21:12.28 | koen|slug | do we patch in every driver we know of? |
| 21:12.34 | koen|slug | do we want to keep updating those? |
| 21:13.09 | pb_ | pH5: seems like a good idea |
| 21:13.09 | koen|slug | having them external in OE keeps the maintenance lower and keeps our kernel tree cleaner |
| 21:13.27 | pb_ | if there is a newer version than 0.1.3, please go ahead and check that in |
| 21:13.28 | koen|slug | external 0.3.9 hostap works great |
| 21:13.36 | koen|slug | internal 0.3.9 doesn't work |
| 21:15.00 | pH5 | This way or the other, the kernel Makefiles should obey the configuration. |
| 21:15.31 | koen|slug | pb_: todd patched 0.3.9 into the kernel and it doesn't work with the 3 hostap card I have |
| 21:15.45 | Philippe | lamikr if you have sent it to the h6300 port mailing list somebody will pick it up there. |
| 21:15.55 | koen|slug | and I have had zero problems with the external 0.3.9 |
| 21:16.11 | koen|slug | so till it gets fixed the broken ones should be disabled |
| 21:16.22 | koen|slug | unless shippen known broken stuff is ok ;) |
| 21:16.29 | koen|slug | shipping* |
| 21:17.26 | koen|slug | which is a different story of the actual probleM: hostap doesn't obey Kconfig options |
| 21:18.18 | lamikr | Philippe: I will do that, will just make some more tests to find out whether we can get more than 32MB of SDRAM to work. (It should have 64 MB) |
| 21:21.31 | Philippe | lamikr, good ! |
| 21:22.11 | Philippe | what is the latest version of gpe-bluetooth? |
| 21:22.23 | pH5 | koen|slug: That's all we need, isn't it: http://pastebin.com/354702 |
| 21:22.24 | koen|slug | 0.44 iirc |
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| 21:22.54 | Philippe | koen|slug, ok seems I got the wrong one selected |
| 21:23.25 | koen|slug | pH5: yeah that is what it should be IMO |
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| 21:25.01 | koen|slug | Philippe: gpe-sessionscripts chmod them |
| 21:25.33 | pH5 | shouldn't /dev permissions be set by udev? |
| 21:25.58 | koen|slug | or gpe-login |
| 21:26.14 | koen|slug | pH5: in an idael world, yes |
| 21:26.29 | Philippe | btw I checked in some bookmark functions. They should work nicely as long as you don't close the bookmark window (db backend is not yet finished). Please test. |
| 21:26.48 | koen|slug | pH5: but GPE can't assume they'll be correct (alhtough it can't hurt to have them correct in udev) |
| 21:27.33 | pH5 | see, it confuses people. |
| 21:27.50 | Philippe | Where should I look to fix the permissions that are wrong. Like /dev/sound/dsp, /dev/touchscreen/0raw, /dev/sound/mixer |
| 21:27.57 | koen|slug | Sep 4 20:22:44 ipaq-pxa270 user.warn kernel: Whoops2 |
| 21:29.00 | pH5 | that's hx4700_power. |
| 21:29.23 | koen|slug | Philippe: /etc/X11/gpe-login.pre-session |
| 21:29.57 | Philippe | koen|slug, thanks. I will fix that later then... |
| 21:32.29 | florian_kc | Philippe: enjoy! |
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| 21:46.17 | koen|slug | hey OSS542 |
| 21:47.53 | OSS542 | good morning...:-) |
| 21:48.04 | mimecar | morning ? |
| 21:48.09 | OSS542 | it is here |
| 21:48.14 | mimecar | what time is it? |
| 21:48.17 | koen|slug | or ugt :) |
| 21:48.19 | koen|slug | ~ugt |
| 21:48.23 | ibot | [ugt] Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. |
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| 21:48.24 | OSS542 | 6:46 am |
| 21:48.24 | florian_kc | Someone needs to bug nelson to add support for the h6300 to scap |
| 21:48.54 | OSS542 | tried a gpe-image build....fc-lang link failed...undefined symbols |
| 21:49.18 | pH5 | florian_kc: why does it need support at all; doesn't the scap script send the correct resolution? |
| 21:50.16 | koen|slug | fbset should take care of that |
| 21:50.22 | koen|slug | again, in and ideal world |
| 21:50.30 | koen|slug | s/and/an/ |
| 21:50.45 | florian_kc | pH5: yes... but some details seem to be necessary to adjust manually. i guess it is mostly the real orientation of the fb. |
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| 21:55.49 | OSS542 | anybody seen this before ? |
| 22:03.56 | koen|slug | florian_kc: gnome-vfs-dbus breaks with the new samba, is there a chance imendio will release a new version? |
| 22:05.32 | florian_kc | koen|slug: oh well... do we use the release or the one from svn? |
| 22:07.16 | koen|slug | iirc a cvs branch |
| 22:07.45 | koen|slug | no, the release |
| 22:07.59 | florian_kc | koen|afk: okay... if latest one doesn't work we need to bug Hallski. |
| 22:08.26 | koen|slug | I added a versioned dep, so we should be safe |
| 22:08.48 | florian_kc | okay... but we should keep this in mind. |
| 22:09.05 | koen|slug | that's we I mentioned it |
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| 22:49.17 | Philippe | florian_kc, the developers map? |
| 22:49.35 | Philippe | you'd better wait until I get to Finland :-) |
| 22:50.43 | lamikr | Philippe: Are coming to work to Finland or what? And to what city? |
| 22:51.18 | Philippe | lamikr, yes. Tampere in two weeks |
| 22:51.52 | lamikr | Philippe: Oh, I live in Jyväskylä. It is 2 hours from Tampere to more center. |
| 22:53.08 | lamikr | You better to get used to those :-) |
| 22:53.28 | Philippe | lamikr, indeed. I definitely am going to take Finnish classes. |
| 22:54.40 | lamikr | I am afraid that that will be a kind of language you haven't thought can be :-) We have very special rules compared to english, sweden, deutch, french, etc... are using. |
| 22:55.39 | lamikr | We can have 15 different meanings for one word. :-) |
| 22:55.54 | Philippe | lamikr, I know. I looked into that and it definitely is not going to be easy. Very frustrating if you already know four languages and nothing even comes close... |
| 22:56.18 | Philippe | lamikr, which word might that be, or does that happen often? |
| 22:57.37 | lamikr | But I have one good friend from Baltic who learned to speak very well for just in half an year. Her husbend from Portuguese newer bothered even he lived here 5 years. (Managed with english) |
| 22:58.01 | lamikr | Now comes your first finnish lesson! |
| 22:58.55 | Philippe | I really do not intend to manage with English... I find it enriching to know many languages. |
| 22:58.56 | florian_kc | Philippe: heh okay :-) |
| 22:59.04 | lamikr | Lets take a english word "House", in finland it is "Talo" |
| 22:59.43 | lamikr | "To house" is in finland: "Taloon" (Talo + oon) |
| 23:00.10 | lamikr | "From house" is "Talosta" (Talo + sta) |
| 23:00.27 | lamikr | "House's" is "Talon" |
| 23:00.41 | lamikr | "In House" is "Talossa" |
| 23:01.48 | Philippe | florian_kc, the gpe-login.pre-session file is responsible for the correct permissions right? I suppose it is run round login time? |
| 23:01.54 | lamikr | etc... |
| 23:02.10 | Philippe | lamikr, interesting... Now you got me really scared :-) |
| 23:03.43 | lamikr | Philippe: Well I actually picked wrong word as I could not figure different meaning for "House" but the basic rule is that we add parts to basic part of the words instead of using things like "to, from, in, on, owning, etc...) |
| 23:03.52 | florian_kc | Philippe: yes right |
| 23:04.27 | Philippe | lamikr, I am already familiar with similar thinking. I once started to learn Croatian and they do the same kind of thing. |
| 23:05.13 | lamikr | Philippe: Oh really, then this will be easy cake for you :-) Are you coming to study or work to Finland? |
| 23:06.05 | Philippe | florian_kc, hmm, seems still something makes that the permissions are not right. I'll try to find out what it is. |
| 23:06.33 | florian_kc | Philippe: which permissions are wrong? |
| 23:06.37 | Philippe | lamikr, well in the end I never managed to make decent croatan sentences :-) |
| 23:06.48 | Philippe | /dev/sound/dsp, /dev/touchscreen/0raw, /dev/sound/mixer |
| 23:07.14 | Philippe | The second one made the minilite non-functional, the mixer one blocked gpe-mixer... |
| 23:07.20 | lardman | hight all |
| 23:07.25 | lardman | night even |
| 23:07.42 | lamikr | Same happened for me with the French. I was able to read a bit, but when I tried to undestand conversations, things started getting very badly... |
| 23:07.44 | florian_kc | I had this effect in a build for iPaq some days ago... |
| 23:08.13 | Philippe | AH it seems I still have an older version 0.81.. |
| 23:08.35 | Philippe | build from two days ago, and in todays build I have 0.82. I'll see if it is fixed. |
| 23:09.54 | lamikr | Philippe and florian: Does Familiar use something like "PAM" that changes dev/owners for the logged users or is everything supposed to be managed by udev and gpe login scripts? |
| 23:10.22 | Philippe | lamikr, I coming over for work. Nokia hired me for 770 related stuff. (which is definitely more interesting than my current work, and I get some more hardware related stuff to do which I like as I am an electronics engineer and not a pure programmer) |
| 23:10.43 | Philippe | lamikr, I think PAM or anything similar would be too big |
| 23:11.45 | florian_kc | right... currently the session scripts take care about this. |
| 23:12.13 | lamikr | Philippe: Yes, they propably would bee. Well 770 really seems to be a nice device. In summer I was one day at debconf 05 at Helsinki, and I played there with 770 for a while. |
| 23:13.55 | Philippe | I had the occasion to fool around with one too and it is indeed a nice device. |
| 23:14.35 | florian_kc | hehe |
| 23:18.07 | Philippe | Off to sleep now. |
| 23:18.10 | Philippe | Goodnight all |
| 23:18.15 | florian_kc | Philippe: good night |
| 23:18.16 | lamikr | Goodnight! |
| 23:26.52 | florian_kc | good night |
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