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| 07:48.23 | XorA | morning |
| 07:52.26 | rob_w | hi all |
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| 08:22.49 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 08:23.38 | rob_w | oe really feels fixed ,, it builds very smoothly without any major interrupts .. good work guys |
| 08:37.56 | rob_w | so now it broke on mtd-utils-native -- where it didnt find the sources |
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| 08:47.17 | Philippe_work | morning all |
| 08:55.44 | jsmanrique | morning |
| 08:57.22 | rob_w | i need the mtd-utils-native sources ! , does someone know where i can find them =?? they are not at oesources.org ! |
| 09:00.40 | Philippe_work | rob_w, I guess they are the same as the mtd-utils sources... (just compiled natively) |
| 09:03.47 | rob_w | ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org times out ?? |
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| 09:13.23 | gopi | hi :) |
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| 09:17.33 | Philippe_work | hello gopi , pb_ |
| 09:19.51 | gopi | opendir(/home/ftp/familiar/releases/v0.8.2/install): failed to open dir: No such file or directory in... |
| 09:19.59 | gopi | ): |
| 09:20.51 | pb_ | hi all |
| 09:21.54 | gopi | wher i get full installation ? |
| 09:30.26 | gopi | ok, is here http://familiar.handhelds.org/ :D |
| 09:33.06 | Philippe_work | gopi, good you found it :-) |
| 09:33.43 | Philippe_work | you can also use one of the snapshots http://familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/v0.8.3/ |
| 09:37.41 | gopi | ok Philippe_work :) , because i m newbie |
| 09:38.31 | gopi | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPENewbie |
| 09:38.50 | gopi | is good for starting ? |
| 09:42.02 | gopi | i have ipaq h3650 |
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| 09:44.42 | Philippe_work | gopi, seems okay. There is also an install page somewhere |
| 09:44.53 | Philippe_work | And an h3650 should work fine |
| 09:44.55 | rob_w | hmm seems i cant really find mtd-utils |
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| 09:45.43 | gopi | i need help for newbie install |
| 09:46.04 | gopi | or wiki install |
| 09:46.17 | rob_w | gopi whats up? |
| 09:47.12 | gopi | i need swith from winCE to linux-gpe |
| 09:47.20 | gopi | switch |
| 09:48.32 | rob_w | ok , what dont u understand ? |
| 09:49.44 | gopi | is possible install with usb ? |
| 09:50.05 | gopi | without serial or network card |
| 09:51.21 | gopi | i have "Raki" in my debian |
| 09:52.00 | gopi | with DCCM |
| 09:52.11 | rob_w | well basicly u need to transfer the bootloader files ,.. |
| 09:52.29 | rob_w | but then you will need to show the bootloader the gpe-image |
| 09:53.01 | gopi | rob_w, yes, but is possible start installation without serial |
| 09:53.24 | gopi | i have only usb cable |
| 09:53.42 | rob_w | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.2/install/install-serial.html |
| 09:54.11 | rob_w | shows us also a usb console possibility ,, but i never did that .. dont you have a ipaq sleeve ? |
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| 09:55.43 | gopi | whats is "ipaq sleeve" ? |
| 09:55.51 | lardman | morning all |
| 09:56.14 | rob_w | i mean a ipaq jacket where you can plug a compact flash ! |
| 09:56.15 | gopi | i have only usb sync cable |
| 09:56.41 | gopi | rob_w no :S |
| 09:57.56 | rob_w | so then you will need to figure out the usb bootloader console |
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| 09:58.08 | bedboi | hi there |
| 09:58.21 | rob_w | u can start installing the bootloader , it can also boot wince ,, |
| 09:59.52 | bedboi | is there any bug list? |
| 10:02.49 | gopi | rob_w, i need remove wince, in home or office, i dont have any m$ OS, i use debian !! |
| 10:06.00 | rob_w | gopi, then go for the bootloader as first step and connect all together and then press the usb console button , see what happens , i nvere used that option |
| 10:06.48 | rob_w | bedboi, lardman con some of you sent me mtd-utils sources , seems its source server is not reachable for me |
| 10:07.45 | gopi | rob_w ok :) |
| 10:08.29 | gopi | rob_w where latest boot loader ? |
| 10:10.43 | rob_w | good question |
| 10:11.44 | rob_w | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.2/install/download.html it should be in any image taken from here |
| 10:11.53 | gopi | thanks :D |
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| 10:12.53 | rob_w | then this should be a latest image for your device http://familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/v0.8.3/20050814/gpe-image-h3600-20050814154756.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 10:12.58 | rob_w | hi florian_kc |
| 10:12.59 | florian_kc | hi all |
| 10:13.17 | bedboi | hi there florian_kc |
| 10:13.32 | bedboi | florian_kc: are you aware of any gpe bug list? |
| 10:14.45 | rob_w | florian_kc, do you know where i can get mtd-utils from .. seems the ftp.uk.linux.org server is not reachable ,, and oesource.org doesnt carry it |
| 10:16.32 | pb_ | florian_kc: good morning |
| 10:16.41 | florian_kc | bedboi: there are two important sources: handhelds.org bugzilla and http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPEToFixFor2_2e7 |
| 10:17.10 | florian_kc | rob_w: not offhand... |
| 10:17.14 | XorA | rob_w: what file exactly do youy want? |
| 10:18.27 | lardman | Does gnumeric build these days? |
| 10:18.47 | XorA | lardman: the dev version does |
| 10:19.00 | XorA | lardman: 1.5.3 |
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| 10:19.07 | XorA | reminds me, must upgrade to 1.5.5 |
| 10:19.33 | lardman | XorA: what's the dev version? Which bb file? |
| 10:19.53 | lardman | oops, slow typing on my part |
| 10:20.07 | lardman | Actually 1.5.3 fails for me |
| 10:20.29 | XorA | lardman: you need the gtk+ 2.0 devel package on host machine |
| 10:21.09 | lardman | XorA: Right, a native package - nothing to do with OE? |
| 10:21.36 | XorA | lardman: yeah, Im not clever enough to get gtk2-native working inside OE |
| 10:21.39 | lardman | XorA: My error actually looks like it's to do with time stuff: http://pastebin.ca/21928 |
| 10:22.51 | XorA | lardman: new one on me :-D is that with CSL compiler? |
| 10:23.51 | lardman | XorA: yes it is |
| 10:24.26 | koen | good morning all |
| 10:24.32 | lardman | morning koen |
| 10:24.37 | XorA | lardman: I dont use that compiler, its possible you tripped over another compiler bug |
| 10:24.54 | lardman | XorA: which one do you use? |
| 10:25.11 | XorA | lardman: plain 3.4.4 |
| 10:25.29 | lardman | XorA: did you have to select that manually? |
| 10:26.09 | XorA | lardman: yes, I found problems with other packages (abiword being one), but you should try and track that fault as it could be something totally unrelated |
| 10:26.35 | lardman | XorA: I was also wanting to build Abiword |
| 10:26.56 | XorA | lardman: then that wont work with csl :-) |
| 10:27.18 | XorA | lardman: NOTE: package gnumeric-1.5.5-r0: task do_compile: started |
| 10:28.06 | lardman | Let me know, I don;t want to have to rebuild the whole lot if I don;t have to (damn glibc!) |
| 10:29.27 | rob_w | XorA, mtd-utils |
| 10:31.20 | koen | is gnome 2.12 out? |
| 10:31.40 | koen | ah, it is |
| 10:31.47 | koen | is it in OE yet? :P |
| 10:32.18 | florian_kc | hmm.. ubuntu might be faster ;-) |
| 10:33.47 | koen | "THIS IS A DRAFT. THE RELEASE HAS NOT HAPPENED YET- IT WILL HAPPEN ON SEPT. 7TH. |
| 10:33.48 | koen | IF YOU ACT AS IF IT IS REAL BEFORE SEPT. 7TH, WE WILL MOCK YOU PUBLICLY, PARTICULARLY MAKING REFERENCE TO YOUR FATHER, WHO WAS A HAMSTER, AND YOUR MOTHER, WHO SMELT OF ELDERBERRIES." |
| 10:33.57 | koen | http://www.gnome.org/start/2.12/ |
| 10:36.20 | rob_w | XorA, thats what is not found these days ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/people/dwmw2/mtd/cvs/mtd-snapshot-${PV}.tar.bz2 \ |
| 10:36.40 | koen | rob_w: is your tree up to date? |
| 10:36.53 | rob_w | 3 days old ... |
| 10:36.54 | gopi | rob_w i get error on writing wince.gz image (bad write #28420 to file...) |
| 10:37.02 | koen | rob_w: http://handhelds.org/hypermail/oe-commits/13/1306.html |
| 10:37.33 | rob_w | koen, ohno .. sorry to bother you guys ! |
| 10:38.09 | rob_w | gopi , why are you trying to write a wince.gz ? |
| 10:38.58 | gopi | backup |
| 10:40.24 | XorA | lardman: NOTE: package gnumeric-1.5.5-r0: task do_build: completed |
| 10:40.28 | koen | bedboi: do you still have that gtkrc for industrial which makes the scrollbars smaller? |
| 10:41.14 | XorA | rob_w: give me the exact file that is not found, if its in my sources I shall put it on http server for you |
| 10:41.19 | gopi | rob_w like here http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.7/install/bootldr-synce.html |
| 10:41.55 | bedboi | koen: wait...btw it's really simple |
| 10:42.10 | bedboi | i think we should do that for all themes |
| 10:43.11 | rob_w | XorA, never mind , i found a update in oe took care of it ! |
| 10:43.27 | koen | florian_kc: we need a new gpevtype in OE to handle th enew libmimedir |
| 10:43.44 | koen | florian_kc: NOTE: package libgpevtype-0.12-r0: task do_compile: failed |
| 10:44.32 | rob_w | gopi, ah that is the backup of wince .. hm .. |
| 10:44.46 | rob_w | that will take some space , do you have space left on wince ? |
| 10:45.08 | gopi | mp3 :/ |
| 10:45.17 | gopi | i try remove all |
| 10:47.17 | florian_kc | koen: oh... what is it missing? |
| 10:47.49 | koen | it still references mimedir-recurrence.h |
| 10:48.09 | koen | fng_sma made some improvements to libgpevtype in cvs iirc |
| 10:49.24 | florian_kc | koen: i'll check, but i suppose thats a problm with the libmimedir staging task. |
| 10:50.08 | bedboi | koen: you just have to play with GtkRange::slider_width in /usr/share/themes/Industrial/gtk-2.0/gtkrc |
| 10:50.16 | bedboi | a value of 11 is good for me |
| 10:55.59 | koen | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.17450.png |
| 10:56.10 | koen | that's with 10 |
| 10:56.46 | bedboi | well, the default value it's just unusable |
| 11:01.17 | bedboi | koen: i think we should also retouch the height of combo boxes |
| 11:01.25 | bedboi | they are too big |
| 11:03.15 | koen | florian_kc: you were right, I'll push the fix in a minute |
| 11:04.36 | bedboi | Philippe: are you there? |
| 11:04.58 | lardman | XorA: re gnumeric - 1.5.5? Simple rename of the .bb? |
| 11:05.06 | XorA | lardman: yes |
| 11:05.54 | lardman | XorA: I'll give it a go, but looks like I may be missing something = the definition of timezone, though with no missing file warnings if could be a #DEFINE issue - drat |
| 11:08.52 | koen | grumpy* |
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| 11:09.23 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 11:09.53 | lardman | hi jsmanrique |
| 11:11.54 | bedboi | Philippe: i think we should have GtkEntryCompletion in the "Where to go to?" dialog in gpe-mini-browser |
| 11:14.22 | gopi | rob_w, i get "ARM BottLoader screen" 30 second, and ipaq restart with "ipaq configuration steps" :/ |
| 11:22.57 | florian_kc | koen: great! |
| 11:26.06 | Philippe_work | hey bedboi.. |
| 11:26.28 | Philippe_work | That might be a good idea. (adding it to the todo) But bookmarks first |
| 11:29.02 | rob_w | gopi, did u install the bootloader already ? |
| 11:30.19 | XorA | koen: could be worse, you might be running OO on zaurus like some crazy *X* guys |
| 11:31.13 | koen | it's big, ugly, unbuildable by mere mortals and it doesn't work |
| 11:31.34 | koen | abiword+gnumeric cover 90% of the needs |
| 11:31.41 | XorA | koen: well wait for qemu->wine->ms office madness |
| 11:31.55 | koen | and with imposter you can view sxi slideshows |
| 11:32.05 | koen | XorA: I've seen people raving about bochs |
| 11:32.23 | XorA | koen: in my testing gnumeric is most excell compatible, OOo is least and that other spreadsheet for opie is somewhere in the middle |
| 11:32.26 | koen | we've run bochs on familiar years ago |
| 11:32.44 | koen | opei-sheet of hancom sheet? |
| 11:32.54 | XorA | koen: planmaker I think it was called |
| 11:33.17 | XorA | not opie, Im a moron, qte |
| 11:33.17 | koen | gnumeric has 100% excell function coverage |
| 11:33.27 | XorA | koen: but not 100% working |
| 11:33.36 | koen | true |
| 11:33.51 | koen | but is anything related to linux 100% working? |
| 11:34.01 | XorA | koen: they should test on the ADND character generator sheets, they give a real kicking to spreadsheetrs |
| 11:34.21 | koen | ehm |
| 11:35.29 | koen | I once asked a bartender who did ADND to cast me a level 20 beer |
| 11:35.36 | koen | if looks could kill....... |
| 11:36.25 | XorA | koen: yeah, that'll get you kicked out of a pub quite fast |
| 11:36.48 | XorA | koen: but my Z spends one day a week as a portable character sheet machine |
| 11:36.53 | koen | :) |
| 11:38.50 | gopi | rob_w yes |
| 11:39.30 | gopi | but the ipaq restart with wonce :/ |
| 11:39.34 | gopi | wince* |
| 11:40.42 | Philippe_work | gopi, you need to push the big button on your ipaq when you reset it. |
| 11:41.32 | Philippe_work | Then put it in the cradle and push the button corresponding to the option you want to use |
| 11:43.10 | gopi | need "ymodem" same time ? |
| 11:43.44 | Philippe_work | gopi: are you trying to flash it with the serial? |
| 11:43.52 | rob_w | koen, the mtd update doesnt work ,, i get a cvs error |
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| 11:44.26 | gopi | Philippe_work yes |
| 11:45.33 | Philippe_work | first open your minicom (or other terminal program) then reset and push the big button on the middle |
| 11:45.56 | Philippe_work | Put it in the cradle immediately and push the leftmost button until you see the prompt appear |
| 11:46.56 | gopi | ok |
| 11:47.11 | gopi | thanks Philippe_work |
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| 11:48.54 | rob_w | +SRC_URI = "cvs://anoncvs:cvs.infradead.org/home/cvs;module=mtd \ this should work for mtd-utils.bb |
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| 11:51.01 | lardman | XorA: Right, well that failed too - with application.c:569: error: `gnm_cursor_cross' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 11:53.00 | lardman | Can someone give me a link to abiword & gnumeric ipks as I'll be out of business for while if I have to change my GCC version? |
| 11:53.41 | koen | lardman: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/sfeed/ |
| 11:53.50 | XorA | lardman: on, the gnm_cursor_error is what you need gtk+2.0-dev on your host machine for |
| 11:54.02 | XorA | lardman: or whatever its called for you linux flavour |
| 11:54.06 | lardman | XorA: Oh, I googled but no mention of that |
| 11:54.13 | lardman | XorA: I'll try that again |
| 11:54.17 | lardman | koen: thanks |
| 11:54.28 | XorA | lardman: it contains the util to make xpm files into stuff gtk can use |
| 11:54.40 | koen | gdk-pixbuf-csource |
| 11:54.52 | lardman | XorA: Ah, I read something along those lines during my googling, I see |
| 11:54.57 | XorA | koen: thats the one, my memory sucks since I entered management |
| 11:55.02 | lardman | :) |
| 11:55.21 | lardman | Now to work out what that rpm is called so I can install it from the command line... |
| 11:56.29 | XorA | lardman: or submit a bb for gtk+-native for 2.0 |
| 11:56.44 | lardman | XorA: Yeah, I've got a PhD to finish first |
| 11:56.57 | XorA | lardman: doesnt stop mickey|zzZZzz :-) |
| 11:57.51 | lardman | My PhD has nothing to do with computers ;) |
| 12:00.13 | florian_kc | ipkg 0.99.153 is buggy |
| 12:00.35 | koen | florian_kc: it has been disabled already |
| 12:00.46 | florian_kc | koen: ah great |
| 12:01.45 | lardman | Random though (while watching uprmi) - I've often thought that ipkg should show its download progress percentage |
| 12:02.38 | koen | iirc that's the verbose_wget option |
| 12:02.51 | lardman | Ah, I thought it must be there somewhere |
| 12:04.30 | bedboi|eating | lardman: yep, it would be good. |
| 12:04.34 | koen | do we have a gpe-bluetooth 0.44 already |
| 12:04.50 | koen | ? |
| 12:05.55 | koen | from gpe-bluetooth 0.43: | obex-vcard.c:(.text+0x40): undefined reference to `mimedir_vcard_new_from_string' |
| 12:05.56 | florian_kc | i don't think so |
| 12:06.03 | bedboi | about random thinking, it would be also good to have a bandwidth monitor applet... And maybe adding a 2d-graph widget to gpe widgets |
| 12:06.22 | florian_kc | pb_: Do you want me to take care about this? :-) |
| 12:06.32 | koen | bedboi: something like http://gtkextra.sourceforge.net/ ? |
| 12:06.38 | bedboi | yes, but lighter |
| 12:06.58 | bedboi | it should be really good to show stats |
| 12:07.21 | bedboi | as battery draining, bandwidth, and whatever |
| 12:07.23 | pb_ | florian_kc: yes, please :-) |
| 12:07.29 | koen | bedboi: cpu, mem, etc |
| 12:07.33 | bedboi | yep |
| 12:07.35 | koen | bedboi: like opie has :) |
| 12:08.06 | florian_kc | pb_: oh... enjoy ;-) |
| 12:08.08 | bedboi | and, another thing we should have in the gpe widget is something to get skretch input |
| 12:08.19 | bedboi | ops |
| 12:08.36 | bedboi | sketch |
| 12:08.43 | bedboi | yep |
| 12:08.55 | bedboi | florian_kc: ok, brainstorming? |
| 12:09.18 | bedboi | koen: ehehe... |
| 12:09.20 | florian_kc | bedboi: I started a wiki about this to collect ideas and solutions. |
| 12:09.28 | bedboi | yes. i read it |
| 12:09.33 | bedboi | it's good |
| 12:10.11 | bedboi | koen: i'm trying gpe-calendar from your feed and i have some problems |
| 12:10.18 | bedboi | (gpe-calendar:902): Gtk-WARNING **: Default font does not have a positive size |
| 12:11.01 | bedboi | too bad... i don't have internet connection at home, so i will be online till 8 am |
| 12:11.03 | bedboi | ops |
| 12:11.04 | bedboi | pm |
| 12:12.32 | lardman | Is the thing which appears as "Summary" actually gpe-today? |
| 12:12.43 | bedboi | lardman: yes |
| 12:12.51 | lardman | bedboi: cheers |
| 12:13.41 | bedboi | what's up with gpe-calendar 0.63? |
| 12:13.49 | bedboi | it seems to be buggy... |
| 12:14.24 | bedboi | i'll post a scap |
| 12:14.33 | koen | .63? |
| 12:14.36 | koen | that one is ancient |
| 12:14.43 | lardman | Is there something similar to gpe-today this but which supports 'applets' in the same way that Opie-today does? |
| 12:15.04 | koen | lardman: not at the moment |
| 12:15.14 | lardman | koen: okay, thanks |
| 12:15.20 | bedboi | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/sfeed//gpe-calendar_0.63-r1_arm.ipk |
| 12:15.28 | florian_kc | That's on the wishlist :-) |
| 12:15.28 | bedboi | ops |
| 12:15.30 | bedboi | it's stable? |
| 12:15.49 | bedboi | i didn't noticed the 's' in sfeed |
| 12:16.02 | koen | s = softfloat |
| 12:16.13 | florian_kc | With applets we could embed it into one tab in gpe-appmgr which would rock. |
| 12:16.29 | lardman|lunch | florian_kc: yes that would be cool |
| 12:16.51 | bedboi | koen: hmm...so it seems that the latest gpe-calendar in the 's'feed is 0.63-r1 |
| 12:17.02 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.10 | koen | I don't update that one very often |
| 12:17.19 | koen | bedboi: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/drupal/?q=ipkgfind&action=details&pnm=gpe-calendar |
| 12:17.20 | bedboi | so what should i use/ |
| 12:17.22 | bedboi | ? |
| 12:17.29 | rob_w | NOTE: build 200509021403: completed aaahhhh |
| 12:17.51 | *** join/#gpe stealth (n=stealth@user-0c6sdvp.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 12:18.06 | stealth | hi. what package contains the characters for the onscreen keyboard? |
| 12:18.26 | bedboi | koen: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.22182.png |
| 12:18.49 | koen | funky |
| 12:19.10 | bedboi | similar problems with gpe-calendar |
| 12:19.22 | koen | you installed the sfeed ones? |
| 12:19.43 | bedboi | yes |
| 12:20.15 | koen | a |
| 12:20.19 | koen | that will blow up |
| 12:20.23 | bedboi | cool |
| 12:20.24 | bedboi | :) |
| 12:20.30 | koen | since all floating point operations go wrong |
| 12:20.44 | bedboi | :) |
| 12:20.54 | bedboi | cool effect |
| 12:23.20 | stealth | what packages are responsible for the onscreen keyboard? |
| 12:24.02 | koen | xkbd or matchbox-keyboard |
| 12:25.58 | stealth | the matchbox keyboard is the one for gpe.. both the keyboard at login and the input have no characters on the buttons? |
| 12:25.59 | florian_kc | koen: now we have gpe-bluetooth 0.44 |
| 12:26.28 | LoDown | florian_kc, awesome....i've been waiting like...five minutes for that :-D |
| 12:26.48 | florian_kc | heh |
| 12:26.52 | koen | | pin-dbus.c:(.text+0x19c): undefined reference to `bluetooth_pin_request_new' |
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| 12:28.08 | stealth | argh |
| 12:28.08 | koen | and doesn't use -b |
| 12:28.32 | stealth | how does remoing bluetooh packages affect my keyboard? |
| 12:28.48 | stealth | i did what the wiki said http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/FamiliarSlimDownHowto |
| 12:29.24 | koen | florian_kc: http://pastebin.com/352712 |
| 12:30.37 | florian_kc | hrm |
| 12:31.06 | stealth | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.23129.png !? |
| 12:31.37 | florian_kc | pb_: Is this a missing update in cvs? http://pastebin.com/352712 I suffered from the same effect but i thought this was releated to an old library on my system. |
| 12:32.00 | florian_kc | stealth: ! |
| 12:32.24 | florian_kc | stealth: Nice effect... looks like a font issue with xlib |
| 12:32.49 | stealth | all i did was remove bluetooth as described in the slimdown |
| 12:33.22 | stealth | reinstall xlib maybe? |
| 12:33.28 | florian_kc | hmm maybe |
| 12:33.56 | stealth | :-/ |
| 12:35.01 | florian_kc | koen: Maybe pb_ forgot to check in something, i updated these files from bluez-pin... worst case the ones from the last release would be ok. |
| 12:39.46 | pb_ | florian_kc: sorry, yeah, I suck. |
| 12:40.02 | pb_ | gpe-bluetooth's Makefile should copy those files from bluez-pin, but I think I forgot to add that stuff when I converted it to autotools. |
| 12:40.26 | pb_ | possibly we should link them inside the repository, like we do for gpe-dist.am |
| 12:42.18 | mickeyl | morning |
| 12:43.14 | pb_ | mickeyl: good morning |
| 12:43.39 | koen | hey mickeyl |
| 12:44.08 | stealth | ipkg install xlib Nothing to be done An error ocurred, return value: 4. Collected errors: Cannot find package xlib. |
| 12:44.27 | stealth | why does ipkg suck so much? |
| 12:44.34 | mickeyl | because it's written in C |
| 12:45.13 | pb_ | stealth: what were you expecting to happen? |
| 12:45.29 | stealth | was expecting it to do what i say.. install xlib |
| 12:46.05 | pb_ | and is there actually a package called "xlib"? |
| 12:46.06 | koen | that package doesn't exist |
| 12:46.16 | stealth | xlibs? |
| 12:46.52 | stealth | still, nobody can tell me why removing bluetooth affects my on screen keyboard? |
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| 12:47.47 | lardman | Yay! Gnumeric built okay |
| 12:47.47 | bedboi | what do you think it will be the best way to exchange data between a PC and gpe? I mean the more user friendly, without writing any command from console |
| 12:48.17 | XorA | lardman: cool |
| 12:48.29 | stealth | what is the best way to remove and install programs? |
| 12:48.36 | bedboi | stealth: ipkg |
| 12:48.48 | bedboi | ipkg install something |
| 12:48.52 | bedboi | ipkg remove something |
| 12:48.53 | stealth | yea right |
| 12:49.04 | stealth | ipkg remove somthing... break |
| 12:49.08 | koen | bedboi: install openssh and use sftp (gnome-vfs and KIO can handle that) |
| 12:49.34 | koen | ipkg remove foo or ikpg remove foo -force-depends? |
| 12:49.41 | stealth | ..break |
| 12:49.54 | stealth | ipkg remove blah .... http://handhelds.org/scap/port.23129.png |
| 12:50.14 | koen | no, what di you use to remove bluetooth? |
| 12:50.22 | stealth | i did what the wiki said |
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| 12:50.38 | koen | and what is that? |
| 12:50.50 | stealth | ipkg remove task-bootstrap |
| 12:50.50 | stealth | ipkg remove gpe-task-settings |
| 12:50.50 | stealth | ipkg remove gpe-task-base |
| 12:50.50 | stealth | ipkg remove gpe-bluetooth -force-depends |
| 12:50.50 | stealth | ipkg remove kernel-module-bnep kernel-module-bt3c-cs kernel-module-btuart-cs \ |
| 12:50.51 | stealth | kernel-module-hci-uart kernel-module-rfcomm kernel-module-sco kernel-module-l2cap \ |
| 12:50.53 | stealth | kernel-module-dtl1-cs kernel-module-bluez bluez-utils-dbus libbluetooth1 blueprobe |
| 12:51.01 | koen | heh |
| 12:51.28 | koen | -force-depends, just as I thought |
| 12:51.30 | stealth | heh? |
| 12:51.53 | lardman | That doesn't remove dependants though does it? |
| 12:52.07 | koen | it ignores errors and stuff |
| 12:53.14 | koen | lardman: depends on the ipkg config in /etc |
| 12:53.14 | lardman | koen: ah yes, I seem to remember hearing about that a while back |
| 12:53.57 | koen | -force-depends is a nice way of saying 'STFU ipkg and do what I want even if it breaks' |
| 12:54.55 | stealth | ok so, im reflashing of course... how can i remove bluetooth without breaking somthing else that has nothing to do with bluetooth |
| 12:57.20 | stealth | its that complex? |
| 12:57.31 | stealth | wow |
| 12:58.48 | florian_kc | pb_: okay... let me see... |
| 12:59.48 | stealth | haha, funny topic 'START' bugfixing |
| 13:02.10 | gopi | whats debian package need for ymodem |
| 13:02.18 | gopi | lrzsz ? |
| 13:02.40 | stealth | yea |
| 13:03.20 | Philippe_work | yes. It is a recommended package when you install minicom |
| 13:04.07 | gopi | Philippe_work, minicom /dev/ttyUSB0 ? |
| 13:04.33 | LoDown|school | gopi, are you using USB or serial? |
| 13:04.43 | Philippe_work | gopi, you have the serial/USB cradle? |
| 13:05.03 | LoDown|school | gopi, if USB then /dev/ttyUSB0 , or if serial then /dev/ttyS0 |
| 13:07.05 | gopi | i have device in /dev/ttyS1 |
| 13:07.21 | gopi | Tapez CTRL-A Z pour voir l'aide concernant les touches sp0ciales |
| 13:07.24 | gopi | ohh sorry |
| 13:07.29 | gopi | is french :/ |
| 13:07.59 | gopi | koen whats is "cu" ? |
| 13:08.54 | koen | something like minicom, but less annoying |
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| 13:13.09 | florian_kc | hmm that sucks. |
| 13:13.20 | florian_kc | koen: i'm going to do something nasty... |
| 13:13.32 | koen | heh |
| 13:13.53 | florian_kc | koen: because i din't change anything in gpe-bluetooth iself i'll upload a new package. |
| 13:14.03 | florian_kc | *gg* |
| 13:15.12 | florian_kc | koen: okay, it's up |
| 13:17.27 | gopi | koen i dond have cu |
| 13:17.36 | gopi | bash: cu: command not found |
| 13:17.41 | gopi | :/ |
| 13:19.01 | gopi | Philippe_work, i dont not, but is connected with usb in my coputer |
| 13:19.23 | gopi | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.25 | gopi | please howto start with minico or other ? |
| 13:25.13 | LoDown|school | gopi, you must first install minicom...then run it using the command "minicom" |
| 13:25.34 | LoDown|school | then set the options to be like they are on the wiki |
| 13:28.10 | gopi | LoDown|school only minicom, wthout any options ? |
| 13:28.31 | LoDown|school | yes... |
| 13:28.32 | LoDown|school | minicom |
| 13:28.45 | LoDown|school | then ctrl+A Z to set the options |
| 13:38.28 | gopi | restet, next minicom ? |
| 13:38.42 | gopi | or micom , reset ? |
| 13:43.24 | Philippe_work | gopi start minicom. Make sure that the serial is plugged in (easier as usb to use) |
| 13:43.43 | gopi | yes |
| 13:43.43 | Philippe_work | do CTRL+A + O |
| 13:43.59 | gopi | ok |
| 13:44.09 | koen | Philippe_work: have you tried cu? |
| 13:44.20 | koen | it supports colors and console resizing |
| 13:44.42 | gopi | file and location ? |
| 13:45.13 | gopi | h3600 ? |
| 13:45.19 | Philippe_work | koen, no. I will when I get home... |
| 13:45.40 | Philippe_work | gopi 3 rd from the top, serial port setup |
| 13:45.42 | koen | Philippe_work: I need to verify, but we might be able to ship gpe-mini-browser on 16mb images |
| 13:46.11 | Philippe_work | koen, would be great. And definitely the 16Mb people will like the fact of having a browser :-) |
| 13:46.24 | koen | yeah |
| 13:46.58 | Philippe_work | I saw figment is on the default images but I do not think it is of any use to most people |
| 13:47.13 | koen | iirc figment is only in h3900 images |
| 13:47.20 | koen | since it depends on libxml2 |
| 13:47.34 | Philippe_work | koen, ah ok. I thought it could be something to leave out. |
| 13:48.00 | Philippe_work | gopi, A - Serial Device : /dev/ttyS0 |
| 13:48.10 | Philippe_work | E - Bps/Par/Bits : 115200 8N1 |
| 13:48.18 | gopi | yes |
| 13:48.20 | Philippe_work | F - Hardware Flow Control : No |
| 13:48.30 | Philippe_work | G - Software Flow Control : No |
| 13:49.09 | gopi | ok |
| 13:49.41 | Philippe_work | save setup as default and exit the menu |
| 13:49.49 | gopi | file name and location ? |
| 13:50.04 | Philippe_work | don't worry about that now... |
| 13:50.12 | gopi | ok :) |
| 13:50.21 | Philippe_work | just make sure that the image you want to flash is in your home dir |
| 13:50.47 | gopi | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.00 | gopi | ~/ |
| 13:51.03 | ibot | ~/ is your home dir silly!, or root, of all Unix |
| 13:51.18 | gopi | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.20 | gopi | ok |
| 13:51.46 | pb_ | gopi: it doesn't matter exactly where you put the file. |
| 13:51.58 | pb_ | any directory that you have read access to will be fine. |
| 13:52.09 | gopi | ok |
| 13:52.12 | Philippe_work | pb_ , but it easier to select it if it is in the home dir and not used to minicom |
| 13:52.36 | Philippe_work | so /home/gopi (if gopi is your username) |
| 13:52.46 | pb_ | stealth: those "ipkg remove" commands that you used look fine to me. I don't know why that would cause the keyboard to malfunction. |
| 13:53.16 | gopi | Philippe_work i use root with minicom, for access serial port |
| 13:53.16 | pb_ | florian_kc: thanks for fixing gpe-bluetooth |
| 13:53.19 | bedboi | is the 14/08/05 snapshot the latest? |
| 13:53.28 | pb_ | hi bedboi |
| 13:53.33 | bedboi | hey pb_ |
| 13:53.39 | Philippe_work | ok gopi, /root then . |
| 13:53.47 | gopi | ok :) |
| 13:53.54 | Philippe_work | bedboi, I think so. Check with koen. |
| 13:54.12 | gopi | dont rename file gpe-image-h3600-20050407124742.rootfs.jffs2 ? |
| 13:54.36 | pb_ | You can rename it if you like. The name is not significant. |
| 13:54.38 | gopi | like rootfs.jffs2 ? |
| 13:55.10 | Philippe_work | gopi, yes that is fine. As long as you know what it is |
| 13:55.18 | gopi | ok :) |
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| 13:55.45 | gopi | is done. |
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| 13:56.15 | gopi | exit minicom config, or exit minicom ? |
| 13:57.26 | Philippe_work | gopi, leave minicom open reset your Ipaq like I told you before, put it in the cradle and push the left-most button a few times |
| 13:57.51 | gopi | calendar ? |
| 13:57.58 | Philippe_work | yes I think so |
| 13:58.06 | gopi | ok :) |
| 13:58.38 | gopi | select boot loader console ? |
| 13:59.08 | gopi | howto select boot loader console |
| 13:59.35 | gopi | with calendar ? |
| 13:59.49 | Philippe_work | the button under set bootloader console... when you see the pengiun. with the calendar button yes. |
| 14:00.01 | gopi | yes ok :) |
| 14:00.05 | gopi | next ? |
| 14:00.25 | Philippe_work | do it fast and you should see it become black if you push the button. If it is in the cradle you should see something in minicom |
| 14:01.15 | gopi | yes is black but not in console minicom |
| 14:01.35 | gopi | nothing in console |
| 14:02.05 | gopi | only use CRTL-A Z ... |
| 14:02.23 | bedboi | are you sure minicom settings are ok? |
| 14:02.45 | gopi | yes |
| 14:03.05 | gopi | i try to restart minicom ? |
| 14:03.06 | bedboi | and the bootloader is installed correctly too |
| 14:03.14 | gopi | yes |
| 14:03.15 | Philippe_work | gopi it is in the cradle and does not boot further? |
| 14:04.09 | gopi | no :/ |
| 14:04.43 | gopi | i try to change serial port ? |
| 14:05.15 | Philippe_work | gopi if it boots in wince that means it did not get your command correctly. |
| 14:05.40 | Philippe_work | try again. Reset while pushing the big button. Put it immediatly in the cradle while you try to push the calendar button |
| 14:06.01 | gopi | ok |
| 14:07.03 | gopi | nothing :/ |
| 14:07.21 | Philippe_work | ok, how many serial ports do you have? |
| 14:08.02 | gopi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.02 | gopi | (lirc serial) |
| 14:09.23 | Philippe_work | ok, set the minicom to /dev/ttyS1 then |
| 14:10.11 | gopi | is correct |
| 14:10.26 | gopi | i use ttyS1 |
| 14:11.04 | gopi | and DDCm is off |
| 14:11.14 | Philippe_work | strange... |
| 14:11.27 | Philippe_work | you should see a prompt coming up on minicom then... |
| 14:11.53 | gopi | i try to restart minicom ? |
| 14:11.54 | Philippe_work | Try a few times, it is a bit tricky... (you have disconnected the usb cable going to your cradle?) |
| 14:12.32 | Philippe_work | try restarting minicom and do the reset trick with the Ipaq a few times. (it does not always work ) |
| 14:12.52 | gopi | ok :) |
| 14:13.15 | gopi | minicom not quit with "Q" |
| 14:13.26 | koen | ctrl-a q |
| 14:13.30 | gopi | ok |
| 14:16.43 | Philippe_work | florian_kc, - * Copyright (C) 2002, 2003 Philip Blundell <philb@gnu.org> |
| 14:16.43 | Philippe_work | + * Copyright (C) 2002, 2003, 2004 Philip Blundell <philb@gnu.org> |
| 14:17.00 | Philippe_work | taking away copyright of pb? |
| 14:17.58 | Philippe_work | oops I meant the other check-in http://handhelds.org:8080/gpe/chngview?cn=579 |
| 14:18.03 | gopi | i restart computer |
| 14:18.12 | Philippe_work | ok |
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| 14:26.44 | bedboi | florian_kc: are you there? |
| 14:27.31 | bedboi | I'm reading DeviceControlFramework, i think we should verbose a little, maybe going into implementation details |
| 14:28.20 | gopi | nothing :/ |
| 14:29.51 | gopi | is possible other serial port ? |
| 14:30.03 | gopi | ttyS2 or 3 ? |
| 14:32.50 | gopi | i have this in log usb 3-2: device not accepting address 9, error -71 |
| 14:33.37 | bedboi | rebooting |
| 14:33.59 | Philippe_work | gopi, you do not have a regular serial port? |
| 14:34.10 | Philippe_work | is it an usb dongle? |
| 14:35.00 | gopi | usb in my computer |
| 14:35.48 | gopi | is connected in usb in my computer |
| 14:36.12 | Philippe_work | So if I get it right it is a usb->serial thing you use. |
| 14:38.23 | gopi | computer(usb) -> ipaq(serial) ? |
| 14:38.43 | florian_kc | re |
| 14:39.10 | gopi | Philippe_work, whats the device need to use ? |
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| 14:44.21 | gopi | Philippe_work http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3465/380yj.jpg |
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| 14:48.23 | Philippe_work | gopi, do you have any other serial device to try with? |
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| 14:49.03 | Philippe_work | gopi, and pastebin your dmesg (www.pastebin.com) |
| 14:49.05 | gopi | like ttyS1 |
| 14:49.16 | gopi | or 2 |
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| 14:50.51 | bedboi | back |
| 14:51.59 | gopi | http://pastebin.com/352839 |
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| 14:52.23 | bedboi | florian_kc: there? |
| 14:52.25 | Philippe_work | gopi, I would have liked to see the complete one. |
| 14:52.39 | gopi | ok |
| 14:52.48 | florian_kc | bedboi: yes, i'm back |
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| 14:54.40 | gopi | http://pastebin.com/352844 |
| 14:55.11 | bedboi | florian_kc: if you have some minutes, i would like to talk about the device control framework |
| 14:55.30 | bedboi | we can join our ideas |
| 14:55.54 | florian_kc | bedboi: more or less - let's try :-) |
| 14:56.47 | bedboi | i don't know if you peeked at the document i wrote some time ago on the wiki |
| 14:56.50 | bedboi | don't remember exactly the name |
| 14:56.54 | Philippe_work | gopi, seems to me you have regular serial ports |
| 14:56.58 | bedboi | florian_kc: GPEDeviceManager i think |
| 14:57.01 | Philippe_work | ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A |
| 14:57.48 | gopi | ok |
| 14:57.59 | gopi | i try ttyS0 |
| 14:58.02 | gopi | ? |
| 14:58.06 | florian_kc | bedboi: yes.... let me take another look, it is some time ago |
| 14:59.27 | XorA | gopi: surely it should be obvious from what port you plugged it into? |
| 14:59.28 | Philippe_work | and put it in the serial port that is at the back of your computer closest to the keyboard an mouse connector |
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| 15:00.12 | gopi | XorA usb |
| 15:00.37 | XorA | gopi: then its not going to be /dev/ttySX anything |
| 15:01.21 | gopi | XorA, ttyUSB0 ? |
| 15:01.39 | XorA | gopi: yes if its a serial->usb convert somewhere in the chain |
| 15:01.50 | florian_kc | bedboi: that's a good point to start... what we need to add is some method to access this using some rpc/ipc mechanism. |
| 15:02.51 | florian_kc | bedboi: Imho we can use dbus for this to have a backend with some privileges and a set of frontends. |
| 15:03.40 | florian_kc | bedboi: Take backlight as anothere example: It may be changed be minilite, gpe-conf or some power saving tool like ipaq-sleep. |
| 15:05.21 | Philippe_work | about backlight. minilite does not work at all on the 3800. gpe-conf does something but if freaks completely. |
| 15:05.40 | Philippe_work | Any idea what I should look for? |
| 15:06.44 | florian_kc | Philippe_work: oh nasty... does "bl" work? |
| 15:07.05 | gopi | XorA, nothing :/ |
| 15:07.28 | bedboi | florian_kc: yes. |
| 15:07.31 | XorA | gopi: did your dmesg actually say a device has been assigned to ttyUSB0? |
| 15:07.31 | bedboi | florian_kc: agreed. |
| 15:07.50 | bedboi | florian_kc: all devices controller should be developed as plug in |
| 15:08.07 | XorA | gopi: my Irda (which is usb) says something like usb 2-3: PL-2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0 |
| 15:08.10 | bedboi | florian_kc: so the framework should take care to load/unload modules just like with modprobe |
| 15:09.05 | bedboi | florian_kc: so we can develop console tools and GUIs (one for GPE one for Opie) to manage load/unload |
| 15:09.47 | bedboi | the gui should work like a control panel with all loaded devices |
| 15:09.58 | bedboi | so you can simply take care of each module from one gui |
| 15:10.59 | gopi | XorA in dmesg i get only "kernel: usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 6" |
| 15:12.24 | florian_kc | bedboi: yes right... that would be useful |
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| 15:14.33 | XorA | gopi: but that attachs to no driver? |
| 15:16.07 | gopi | i have ddcm |
| 15:16.13 | gopi | but is off |
| 15:17.20 | gopi | XorA, i dont have problem to connect on my ipaq with raki |
| 15:17.43 | gopi | XorA, is work fine, but with winCE :/ |
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| 15:18.13 | gopi | i need replace m$ winCE with linux gpe |
| 15:18.32 | gopi | please help |
| 15:19.23 | bedboi | florian_kc: yep, it seems to be a big project |
| 15:19.49 | bedboi | florian_kc: the problem is that i still have no experience with dbus |
| 15:21.03 | gopi | look with ddcm |
| 15:21.07 | gopi | Sep 2 17:24:13 pppd[7024]: Using interface ppp0 |
| 15:21.07 | gopi | Sep 2 17:24:13 pppd[7024]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 15:21.19 | gopi | whitout problem |
| 15:22.49 | florian_kc | bedboi: Well... i don't have much of experience with it too, but it can't be that complicated. I'm going to check if libosso might be useful for us... |
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| 15:24.46 | XorA | gopi: I dont own a Ipaq, but unless linux recognises it as a serial devive then its not going to get connected to /dev/tty anything. You sure serial via usb support can be done from the bootloader? I guess you have to keep asking the Ipaq owners. |
| 15:29.08 | bedboi | florian_kc: ok... |
| 15:29.45 | bedboi | florian_kc: btw we need to design the library before writing code (i have some code around, btw) |
| 15:31.49 | florian_kc | bedboi: okay... we should collect all we have in some place. or at least collect links to it in the wiki. |
| 15:32.56 | florian_kc | bedboi: i'll link the device manager wiki there... you can edit that wiki anonyomous, but if you like i'll create a user for you. (assuming you'd like to edit it :-)) |
| 15:41.09 | Philippe_work | florian_kc, bl wotks |
| 15:41.19 | Philippe_work | s/wotks/works/ |
| 15:44.31 | florian_kc | Philippe_work: hmm.. looks like the proc interface changed... but how and why? |
| 15:48.57 | florian_kc | bbl |
| 15:50.12 | gopi | hmm, my ipaq dont boot bootloader any more :/ |
| 15:50.33 | gopi | any idea why ? |
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| 15:56.57 | Philippe_work | really no clue gopi... |
| 15:57.09 | Philippe_work | that should not happen unless you flash has broken down |
| 15:58.44 | lardman|work | I just tried to compile mb-desktop-xine (as I like the idea of the plugins), and it fails with this: http://pastebin.ca/21946 |
| 15:59.26 | lardman|work | I appear to lack the definition of alphasort - anyone seen this error, or know where alphasort should be defined? |
| 16:00.20 | gopi | Philippe_work, ok, i try to program, but same, no boot loader :/ |
| 16:00.44 | lardman|work | One more thing, on the matchbox site (http://projects.o-hand.com/matchbox/whatis.html) it talks about matchbox-desktop-img-browser & matchbox-desktop-media-browser. I can't find any source for the latter. |
| 16:03.38 | koen | lardman|work: some stuff got lost when switching to svn on o-hand.com mostly unmaintained cruft |
| 16:04.27 | lardman|work | koen: fair enough (I thought that perhaps these were new things which hadn't made it in yet), any ideas about mb-desktop-xine, or is it not worth the hassle? |
| 16:06.46 | koen | check if it's the svn version or not |
| 16:06.57 | lardman|work | Ah, I'd thought the alphasort was to do with xine, but it's not: n = scandir(".", &namelist, 0, alphasort); |
| 16:07.01 | Philippe_work | gopi, you tried to reprogram the bootloader ???? |
| 16:07.02 | koen | someone popped up out of the blue with patches for it |
| 16:07.15 | koen | so it got imported into svn |
| 16:07.29 | lardman|work | koen: it's the one whic his in OE whatever that is, I'll see if there's a specific SVN one |
| 16:08.00 | koen | I added mbdesktop xine a looooong time ago |
| 16:08.05 | koen | everything is a bit fuzzy |
| 16:08.06 | gopi | Philippe_work, my ipaq is start with compaq logo, no winCE no bootldr :/ |
| 16:08.34 | lardman|work | koen: fair enough :). Did it work? |
| 16:08.43 | koen | it did |
| 16:08.53 | Philippe_work | gopi if it worked earlier what did you change? |
| 16:08.55 | lardman|work | koen: Not as in did it compile, but was it useful & usable? |
| 16:09.05 | koen | but it's really designed for a regular PC instead of an ipaq |
| 16:09.13 | lardman|work | ok, thanks |
| 16:09.32 | koen | movie playing is OK, but sound playing is a bit of a pain (visualizations) |
| 16:09.40 | gopi | Philippe_work, itry another time bootldr |
| 16:09.58 | gopi | but no bootldr no winCE ): |
| 16:10.10 | gopi | only ipaq logo |
| 16:10.44 | gopi | any idea howto fix it ? |
| 16:11.38 | Philippe_work | gopi, how to fix that? Not easy I believe... |
| 16:12.04 | gopi | hhmm |
| 16:13.16 | Philippe_work | Didn't you read the big warning saying this is a relatively dangerous thing to do. Make sure you use the good bootloader, ... |
| 16:14.22 | gopi | yes ): |
| 16:16.12 | Philippe_work | You had a problem with the serial port on your computer so I really do not understand why you reflashed your bootloader. Oh well, I am looking up the relevant doc to fix this. |
| 16:17.09 | gopi | ok thanks Philippe_work :) |
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| 16:17.22 | koen | hey mreimer |
| 16:17.27 | mreimer | hey koen |
| 16:17.46 | Philippe_work | this is what you should have done : http://www.cfar.umd.edu/~arvind/linuxonipaq.htm |
| 16:18.00 | koen | ehm |
| 16:18.16 | koen | no doc outside hh.org is trustworthy or endorsed |
| 16:18.17 | Philippe_work | gopi, I cannot find immediately if there is any recovery information. but I believe you had to contact Compaq/HP for that. |
| 16:24.59 | Philippe_work | gopi, http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/RecoverBrickedIpaq?action=highlight&value=bricked |
| 16:25.59 | Philippe_work | later all |
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| 16:34.31 | bedboi | back |
| 16:39.18 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 16:39.37 | bedboi | i installed the latest snapshot |
| 16:45.14 | lardman|work | Anyone know of problems with the various conditionals in dirent.h? |
| 17:07.22 | lardman|work | home time, have a nice weekend everyone |
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| 17:55.47 | gopi | thank you for support |
| 17:56.09 | gopi | my ipaq work now |
| 17:56.25 | gopi | but only m$ winCE ): |
| 17:56.57 | gopi | i restar my computer |
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| 18:12.35 | koen | Philippe: what's the status of all the cool minibrowser stuff in your local repo? |
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| 18:39.09 | tpdd | Koen posted a link to updates on the oe forums the other day, and it has an updated apm package, does anyone know what this package fixes in the current apm |
| 18:40.34 | tpdd | I guess i should ask that of koen :) sorry didnt see you here. |
| 18:49.45 | koen | tpdd: no idea, I just uploaded what OE built |
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| 19:01.41 | rob-w|BA | hi, where is the changeset website gone ? |
| 19:04.44 | Philippe | re |
| 19:05.23 | koen | hey Philippe |
| 19:05.48 | Philippe | koen, I am working on the bookmarks. (still :-) I just found out a decent GtkTreeView tutorial that will help me a lot figure out what I need to know. |
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| 19:06.47 | Philippe | I tried gtk-webcore with libsoup but it crashed. I need to investigate |
| 19:07.19 | florian | re |
| 19:07.25 | koen | hey florian |
| 19:08.05 | Philippe | hey florian |
| 19:09.39 | koen | for the adventurous people: http://familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/v0.8.3/20050902/ |
| 19:10.37 | gopi | Philippe, work now! but winCE ): |
| 19:12.42 | koen | florian: gpe-bluetooth works! |
| 19:12.52 | koen | and that pesky scrollbar is gone |
| 19:16.13 | koen | florian: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.24301.png |
| 19:23.56 | florian | phew... |
| 19:24.02 | florian | koen: very good |
| 19:24.23 | koen | gpe violently dislikes my s55 though |
| 19:28.03 | Philippe | gopi. Good. Now make sure you know how to work with the serial before you try another time. |
| 19:30.02 | florian | koen: heh yeah... nilsf suffered from this too. |
| 19:31.52 | koen | which requires me to win the lottery |
| 19:34.58 | Philippe | which module is responsable for the /proc/driver/backlight device? |
| 19:35.00 | koen | for some reason it's hard to find a phone that does bluetooth + edge |
| 19:37.36 | Philippe | /dev/touchscreen/0raw has wrong permissions. |
| 19:41.30 | gopi | Philippe, i dont have serial cable :/ |
| 19:41.35 | florian | that's a good idea |
| 19:42.52 | Philippe | florian is there a bugzilla entry for that? |
| 19:43.54 | Philippe | btw florian good freeze announcement. |
| 19:45.59 | koen | florian: did you get the desk out of the kitchen? |
| 19:47.06 | florian | Philippe: i don't think so, that's maybe a task for the wiki |
| 19:49.20 | Philippe | already on the wiki. |
| 19:49.28 | Philippe | florian, now tell us about the desk :-) |
| 19:50.14 | florian | hehe |
| 19:50.56 | florian | Yes i finally managed to get it into my office... but it still looks like big chaos there... |
| 19:51.53 | florian | koen: yay! |
| 19:52.10 | Philippe | koen, ogg works! yay! |
| 19:52.55 | florian | Philippe: my room contains three desks, about eight computers, four screens and 50 cameras ;-) |
| 19:54.10 | Philippe | florian, damn you beat me. Only 2 desks, 13 computers, a netbook, an Ipaq, a gumstix, 7 screens and a webcam :-) |
| 19:54.35 | koen | geeks |
| 19:54.48 | Philippe | koen :-) |
| 19:55.12 | Philippe | Oh I forgot my mac laptop with an 68020 or so (68k without mmu) |
| 19:55.59 | florian | :-) |
| 19:57.03 | Philippe | later |
| 19:57.12 | koen | enjoy |
| 20:01.58 | mreimer | when I make a bugfix to something like gpe-session-scripts, do I need to update the version number and 'make source'? Or just 'make source'? Or nothing else? |
| 20:04.06 | gopi | nigth all |
| 20:04.17 | gopi | thanks for support :) |
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| 20:05.05 | florian | mreimer: yep... update, checkin, make source |
| 20:05.25 | mreimer | florian: when to change the version number? just when new features go in? |
| 20:07.12 | florian | mreimer: or if you make important bugfixes and want a new release. usually it is easier to do a new release than adding a patch in oe or something similar. |
| 20:07.27 | koen | and better |
| 20:07.38 | koen | having the patches in OE and broken tarballs on the ftp is no good |
| 20:07.45 | mreimer | in this case it was just changing mbcontrol -> matchbox-remote so "matchbox-remote -desktop" key action would work |
| 20:08.40 | mreimer | ok, I'll bump it then |
| 20:08.49 | florian | mreimer: in which application? |
| 20:09.47 | mreimer | gpe-conf and gpe-session-scripts. I committed fixes a couple of days ago, but wasn't sure how to make oesources pick up the changes |
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| 20:17.00 | florian | mreimer: ah okay.. i can take care about this in gpe-conf. i need to do some more changes anyway. |
| 20:17.33 | mreimer | thanks florian. I'll go ahead and push a new gpe-session-scripts |
| 20:18.19 | florian | mreimer: if you make changes to something with more unrelased changes it might be a good idea to ask its maintainer... to avoid getting something untesdd or broken in a release. |
| 20:18.28 | koen | http://handhelds.org:8080/gpe/timeline looks pretty busy |
| 20:18.34 | florian | pb_: good evening |
| 20:19.06 | mreimer | florian: ok. How do I find out who maintains a given program? |
| 20:19.12 | pb_ | florian: good evening |
| 20:19.45 | pb_ | mreimer: check the changelog, I guess |
| 20:19.51 | mreimer | ok |
| 20:20.29 | mreimer | the ChangeLog for gpe-session-scripts has Florian Boor <floriankernelconcepts.de> :-) |
| 20:20.39 | mreimer | of course, there is only one entry |
| 20:21.23 | pb_ | ah yes |
| 20:22.06 | pb_ | I guess the maintainer would be either me or Florian, anyway. |
| 20:23.14 | mreimer | I committed some changes the other day (mbcontrol -> matchbox-remote) and wasn't sure how to get them pushed to oesources tarballs. I didn't know whether a little fix like that warranted version bump + make source |
| 20:23.38 | pb_ | yeah, go ahead |
| 20:23.43 | mreimer | ok |
| 20:23.44 | pb_ | could you also add a changelog entry for your changes? |
| 20:23.50 | mreimer | ok. |
| 20:23.54 | pb_ | thanks |
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| 20:32.45 | koen | hey Philippe |
| 20:32.48 | koen | ehm |
| 20:32.51 | koen | hey pH5 |
| 20:33.40 | pH5 | hey koen |
| 20:34.33 | mreimer | hmm, does the gpe-ownerinfo picture need to be a certain size? I tried setting it to a 64x80 png, but gpe-login keeps redrawing it over and over |
| 20:36.22 | pH5 | i managed to run msynctool --sync gpe-evo. it made a ssh connetion to the ipaq, but it didn't actually sync anything. |
| 20:38.41 | florian | mreimer: oh no... not again :-/ that's a bug in gpe-ownerinfo. |
| 20:39.08 | florian | mreimer: would you please add this to the wiki!? |
| 20:39.18 | mreimer | the todo-for-27 wiki? |
| 20:39.46 | mreimer | Version: 0.1.24-r0 |
| 20:39.55 | mreimer | gpe-conf, that is |
| 20:40.27 | mreimer | also, should the "gpe-conf ownerinfo" process die once I've tapped OK? it doesn't |
| 20:41.07 | mreimer | while I'm on the subject of gpe-conf, when I change themes in the "Look and Feel" applet, the display is not refreshed and it seems to be hanged |
| 20:41.10 | florian | mreimer: yes, that's the correct one. it should... |
| 20:42.16 | pH5 | i problems with the look&feel applet, too. hangup before painting anything in the window when run from the .desktop file, but no problem when run from command line. |
| 20:42.26 | pH5 | i had ... |
| 20:42.54 | florian | mreimer: what kind of image on which device is this? |
| 20:42.57 | mreimer | pH5: did you find a fix? |
| 20:43.28 | pH5 | not yet. running it in gdb/strace included starting it from the commandline :/ |
| 20:43.41 | mreimer | florian: gpe-image built a couple of days ago, MACHINE = "h3900", DISTRO = "familiar-0.8.3", KERNEL_VERSION = "2.6" |
| 20:43.41 | koen | the 'fix' is to run it from the menu |
| 20:43.43 | florian | pH5, mreimer: The fix is to run it from the menu... that's on a device with a larger scren that 240x320 |
| 20:43.47 | koen | I don't know what triggers it |
| 20:43.59 | koen | since my h5550 suddenly doesn't have that bug |
| 20:44.03 | mreimer | I'm running on h2200 (240x320) |
| 20:44.41 | florian | mreimer: :-/ |
| 20:44.45 | pH5 | florian: that works indeed... |
| 20:47.00 | pH5 | florian, do you maintain gpe-sketchbook atm? it has hardcoded toolbar icon sizes. |
| 20:47.47 | florian | pH5: no, but i have a mostly working fix for it... i think i can wor on this next week. |
| 20:48.38 | pH5 | ~seen luc |
| 20:48.44 | ibot | luc <~luc@cs78246193.pp.htv.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 108d 1h 22m 37s ago, saying: 'hey florian'. |
| 20:48.55 | koen | ~seen luc_ |
| 20:48.56 | ibot | luc_ <~luc@cs78246193.pp.htv.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 98d 22h 25m 57s ago, saying: 'good night all.'. |
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| 20:50.40 | mimecar | hi |
| 20:50.40 | florian | hi mimecar |
| 20:50.46 | mimecar | hey florian |
| 20:51.07 | florian | mreimer: can you reproduce that theme change issue? |
| 20:51.45 | mreimer | yes. If I tap Settings -> Look and Feel, the controls don't even draw. But I can run it from the menu without a problem |
| 20:51.53 | mreimer | (Industrial selected atm) |
| 20:52.06 | florian | hrm... |
| 20:52.18 | mimecar | mreimer: what model do you have? |
| 20:52.27 | mreimer | mimecar: h2200 |
| 20:52.31 | mimecar | ok |
| 20:52.37 | mreimer | ie 240x320 |
| 20:52.50 | florian | mreimer: just by chance... you don't have a different window manager on that device? :-) |
| 20:53.05 | mreimer | florian: no, just whatever gpe-image builds (mb, right?) |
| 20:53.22 | mreimer | florian: is it significant that there are two "gpe-conf theme" processes running? |
| 20:53.24 | florian | yep |
| 20:53.29 | mreimer | deadlock? |
| 20:53.43 | florian | mreimer: no, that's okay... gpe-conf forks |
| 20:57.11 | koen | mreimer: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=0aa9fa519b675b797023e9f329e667e311773f63 |
| 20:57.50 | mreimer | koen|slug: thanks |
| 21:03.44 | mreimer | koen: he sent me a copy, but I haven't gotten to it :-( |
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| 21:04.52 | koen | ah well, we're in feature freeze anyway ;) |
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| 21:06.01 | florian | I bet that i end up in a matchbox bug :-/ |
| 21:06.14 | mreimer | florian: you mean this gpe-conf problem? |
| 21:07.34 | mreimer | is mb-applet-battery the preferred battery monitoring applet for GPE? |
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| 21:09.27 | mimecar | mreimer: there is only one battery applet |
| 21:09.43 | florian | mreimer: yes and yes... oh i can reproduce it on my pc! |
| 21:09.44 | mreimer | ok. I thought I saw something called minibat |
| 21:09.49 | mreimer | florian: great! |
| 21:11.33 | florian | and its not matchbox itself... |
| 21:24.20 | pb_ | mreimer: I don't think minibat works very well at the moment. |
| 21:24.30 | pb_ | the matchbox applet is probably a better bet |
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| 21:41.26 | florian | mreimer: I think i fixed it, starting xsettings triggered a theme change which ended up in a deadlock between window manager and xsettings stuff. |
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| 22:02.08 | mreimer | florian: good sleuthing! |
| 22:05.14 | florian | mreimer: that fix in gpe-conf needs a ChangeLog entry too :-) |
| 22:06.16 | koen | 'night all |
| 22:06.27 | florian | koen|sleep: good night |
| 22:10.19 | mreimer | florian: ok, there you go |
| 22:13.16 | florian | mreimer: thanks |
| 22:15.42 | mreimer | mb-applet-battery isn't working properly on 2.6, because apm_read() gets back an apm_info struct with battery_percentage = 0, which it thinks indicates an error. But apparently battery_percentage isn't set by the kernel (see include/asm-arm/apm.h). Has battery_percentage gone away in 2.6? Advice? |
| 22:19.21 | pH5 | mreimer: i don't know anything about this, but on hx4700 the battery applet seems to work correctly. |
| 22:19.30 | mreimer | thanks pH5 |
| 22:20.24 | mreimer | pH5: does it always show 0% when the battery is unplugged? |
| 22:22.00 | pH5 | hm. i can't unplug the battery while it is running. |
| 22:22.13 | mreimer | pH5: I mean unplug from AC |
| 22:23.49 | pH5 | mreimer: right now it's on battery and says: Juice 100%, Time left: 07 h. 20 min. |
| 22:24.04 | mreimer | pH5: thanks, that's what I needed to know. must be my bug |
| 22:27.21 | mreimer | trying to build gpe-nmf: "gstcdaudio.c:24:21: cdaudio.h: No such file or directory" while building libgstcdaudio_la-gstcdaudio.lo |
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| 22:45.40 | mimecar | hi |
| 22:46.02 | lardman | hi mimecar |
| 22:46.09 | mimecar | hi lardman |
| 22:46.50 | mimecar | lardman: is there some programs wich sync with gpe on windows? |
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| 22:47.19 | lardman | mimecar: no idea, although I use Windows, I don't do syncing (yet...) |
| 22:49.00 | mimecar | on linux there is multisync, aren't you? |
| 22:49.06 | florian | good night |
| 22:49.18 | lardman | :) isn't there |
| 22:49.34 | lardman | I think so, don't know much about it I'm afraid |
| 22:49.47 | mimecar | lardman: it's 0:49, I can't thin :p |
| 22:49.50 | mimecar | think |
| 22:50.08 | lardman | no worries, just thought it was funny :D |
| 22:50.18 | lardman | after last night anyway :) |
| 22:50.29 | mimecar | true |
| 22:50.34 | mimecar | it was a grammar class |
| 22:51.13 | lardman | I don't know about that - probably not the best plan to try to learn grammar from people on the 'net ;) |
| 22:51.35 | mimecar | yes, but I can learn "real" language |
| 22:51.50 | mimecar | and not "teorical" language |
| 22:53.11 | lardman | yes, I suppose so, the only problem is that people (like me) don;t really like typing, so sometimes the rules are bent |
| 22:56.01 | mimecar | the best method to learn one language is speak / write it |
| 22:56.37 | mimecar | althought sentences has not the perfect style |
| 22:59.08 | lardman | mimecar: definitely - the best way is to go the country and be forced to speak/write |
| 22:59.23 | mimecar | if you have enough money... |
| 22:59.39 | mimecar | I agree with it, but is not cheaper |
| 23:00.22 | lardman | true |
| 23:00.38 | lardman | reading books/magazines is quite good too |
| 23:01.17 | lardman | but you have to go for ones which are easy enough to read, but not so easy that they are poorly written (speaking about reading German here - there's a huge variation afaict) |
| 23:01.52 | lardman | actualy for people learning English, I suppose films aren't too bad either - readily available at least |
| 23:02.13 | mimecar | films, books, listenings... you have many methods |
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| 23:03.26 | lardman | :) slightly off topic hey |
| 23:04.16 | mimecar | yes, let's go to gpe |
| 23:04.43 | mimecar | I have some files witch can work with ICS format and SQLITE |
| 23:04.52 | mimecar | (on web) |
| 23:05.18 | mimecar | I think it wouldn't be dificult convert sql to ics (without sync, only conversion) |
| 23:05.41 | mimecar | if we can obtain ics, we can open it with many programs |
| 23:07.01 | lardman | what's ics from? |
| 23:07.12 | lardman | iCalendat |
| 23:07.20 | lardman | iCalendar even |
| 23:08.11 | mimecar | yes |
| 23:08.44 | mimecar | mozilla calendar application can read it, on linux, korganizer work with it |
| 23:09.02 | stealth | how can I remove all of bluetooth i did what the slimdown said but it didnt work |
| 23:09.23 | lardman | have you lost your keyboard again? |
| 23:09.33 | stealth | didnt try it again |
| 23:09.35 | stealth | afraid |
| 23:09.39 | lardman | :) |
| 23:10.06 | stealth | :( |
| 23:10.08 | lardman | I'd be tempted to trey removing the packages one by one and see when/if it vanishes again |
| 23:10.44 | stealth | and when it vanishes then what? i tried reinstalling the packages before and they just said nothing to be done |
| 23:11.15 | stealth | ipkg is poop |
| 23:11.34 | lardman | strange |
| 23:11.56 | lardman | can you set it to auto-login? I think that's possible? |
| 23:12.11 | lardman | at least that way you'll still have a useable system |
| 23:12.17 | lardman | if the worst comes to the worst |
| 23:14.22 | stealth | i thought we fix things, not work around the problems? |
| 23:14.31 | stealth | oh yea and then either way i couldent use it |
| 23:14.35 | stealth | the keyboard input is the same |
| 23:14.38 | stealth | once in gpe |
| 23:14.58 | lardman | not as a work around, so you can try to work out why it's broken |
| 23:15.20 | lardman | Ah, I'm forgetting you don;'t have a keyboard (I have a Zaurus) |
| 23:15.25 | lardman | can you ssh in? |
| 23:17.09 | stealth | yea.. i reflashed it.. brand new system now |
| 23:18.46 | mimecar | stealth: can you use virtual keyboard ? |
| 23:18.55 | stealth | nope |
| 23:19.27 | stealth | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.23129.png this is what happens after removing the bluetooth from the instructions on the slimdown wiki |
| 23:20.25 | stealth | im so afraid to do anything now |
| 23:20.34 | stealth | seems no matter what i do somthing goes wrong |
| 23:20.53 | mimecar | stealth: reinstall :( |
| 23:20.55 | stealth | id really like to try the mini browser.. is installing it going to break anything |
| 23:20.59 | stealth | mimecar, i already di |
| 23:21.15 | stealth | heh reinstall, sounds like windoez |
| 23:21.33 | mimecar | stealth: i installed mini browser, it works on openzaurus, but if i install some aditional package, i crash my system |
| 23:21.54 | stealth | what additional package? |
| 23:22.18 | mimecar | updates of pim apps, components (libqpewidgets)... |
| 23:22.37 | mimecar | i don't know the correct package, |
| 23:22.54 | mimecar | wich cause error, the solution, use oficial feeds |
| 23:23.04 | mimecar | althought you haven't the latest programs |
| 23:23.39 | mimecar | (is my personal opinion) |
| 23:23.57 | mimecar | can familiar move system to sd ? |
| 23:28.07 | lardman | stealth: did you try removing the bt related ipks one by one and checking the keyboard after each one - that way we can work out where the problem is |
| 23:30.27 | mimecar | good night guys |
| 23:30.40 | mimecar | bye lardman and stealth |
| 23:31.13 | lardman | night night |
| 23:34.44 | lardman | I'm off to bed too, night all |
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