| 00:00.01 | koen | that's sick |
| 00:00.06 | fng_sma | koen: but what do we put into the todo? "Help others!"? |
| 00:00.19 | fng_sma | good night Philippe |
| 00:00.27 | koen | night Philippe |
| 00:01.26 | koen | fng_sma: donate to me ;) |
| 00:03.17 | fng_sma | koen: yeah, that's for the egoistic ones. We could make an egozentric version of the pimapps. |
| 00:03.46 | fng_sma | like always displaying the days left to the own birthday and so... |
| 00:06.27 | florian | Hrm... who switched the default kernel for simpad to 2.6? |
| 00:06.41 | koen | I thin |
| 00:06.44 | koen | k zecke |
| 00:08.12 | florian | He seemes to be a little bit early... it's not what i'd call stable. |
| 00:11.43 | florian | good night |
| 00:12.47 | koen | 'night florian |
| 00:13.09 | fng_sma | sleep well... |
| 00:44.40 | koen | 'night all |
| 00:44.48 | fng_sma | sleep well... |
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| 08:39.58 | Philippe_work | morning all |
| 08:40.45 | basiliscus | a very freeze morning |
| 08:40.55 | XorA | morning |
| 08:45.12 | Philippe_work | 89 check-ins in cvs from monday... we have been working well :-) |
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| 09:15.22 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 09:16.34 | lardman | morning florian_kc |
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| 09:17.22 | Philippe_work | morning florian_kc |
| 09:20.00 | koen | good morning all |
| 09:20.13 | Philippe_work | morning koen |
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| 09:42.21 | koen | uh oh |
| 09:42.22 | koen | koen@drone:~/vcf$ gpe-contacts -i Kooi\ Koen.vcf |
| 09:42.22 | koen | Segmentation fault |
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| 09:43.22 | florian_kc | koen: oh |
| 09:43.43 | koen | that one does have an embedded tiff |
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| 10:05.15 | koen | florian_kc: it chokes on the embedded picture |
| 10:05.28 | koen | hey fng_sma |
| 10:05.54 | florian_kc | koen: oh well... sounds like a bug in libmimedir. |
| 10:06.17 | koen | yeah |
| 10:09.14 | fng_sma | hi koen |
| 10:12.15 | florian_kc | hi fng_sma |
| 10:24.35 | koen | fng_sma: I just sent you the killer vcard |
| 10:25.16 | Philippe_work | koen, sounds dangerous :-) |
| 10:26.37 | Philippe_work | mhhh anybody that can confirm that when you close a root shell you get an error window? (urxvt: can't get coulour '#.... |
| 10:28.10 | florian_kc | Philippe_work: yes |
| 10:30.10 | basiliscus | Philippe_work: me too |
| 10:34.02 | fng_sma | koen: whooowww, now that is a big vcard... |
| 10:34.30 | fng_sma | koen: Did you make selfportrait with a 12 megapixel digicam? |
| 10:34.31 | florian_kc | Philippe_work: Some garbage output from rxvt... |
| 10:34.49 | koen | fng_sma: I cut a section out of a 4mpix photo |
| 10:34.59 | koen | it should be a 128x128 pixels tiff picture |
| 10:35.06 | koen | OSX default |
| 10:36.31 | koen | fng_sma: if you set a login picture in OSX it will put that in your vcard |
| 10:41.50 | koen | heh |
| 10:42.11 | koen | I hand my girlfriend her h2210 to show gpe |
| 10:42.20 | koen | the first thing she does: games -> lights out |
| 10:43.37 | Philippe_work | tsss koen's girlfriend ... othello is more fun |
| 10:43.38 | Philippe_work | :-) |
| 10:44.11 | zecke | koen: my ibook got stolen... stupid girl-friends (she now abuses it with Office2003) |
| 10:45.19 | Philippe_work | zecke, you should have given her openoffice and changed the shortcut to office 2005 and she would not have seen it is not M$ |
| 10:46.41 | koen | heh |
| 10:46.52 | koen | does OOo work on osx? |
| 10:46.58 | koen | it doesn't |
| 10:47.37 | koen | OOo have publically stated they don't care about OSx |
| 10:47.48 | koen | abiword works like a charm howerver :) |
| 10:50.44 | Philippe_work | OO does not work on OSX. Crap.... |
| 10:51.48 | koen | I bought ms word from the uni for E13 |
| 10:52.35 | koen | ms office even |
| 10:52.44 | fng_sma | koen: what is E13? Exception 13: Buy it if you really can't live without it? |
| 10:52.44 | koen | not that I use it very often..... |
| 10:52.51 | koen | heh |
| 10:52.57 | koen | 13,- Euro |
| 10:53.06 | fng_sma | ah, okay :-) |
| 10:53.12 | Philippe_work | I told my uni that if they wanted me to submit stuff in *.doc format (instead of pdf) they had to buy me a windows license + Office |
| 10:54.36 | koen | I usually send something like "Hi, I'm one of those annoying linux user who don't have ms word, could you make a pdf?" |
| 10:54.40 | koen | works every time |
| 10:55.13 | Philippe_work | At first they were annoying about this until I found out about some regulation that a student cannot be forced to buy certain tools/stuff to be able to finish his studies successfully |
| 10:55.44 | Philippe_work | Suddenly I was allowed to submit my stuff as pdf :-) |
| 10:59.14 | koen | over here they closed down 75% of the computer labs |
| 10:59.25 | koen | "no, we are not forcing you to buy a laptop" |
| 11:00.16 | Philippe_work | sounds also and to do everything you need in class you will need some evil kind of OS? |
| 11:01.09 | koen | not really |
| 11:01.16 | fng_sma | koen: erm, msall question: can you access handhelds.org? |
| 11:01.36 | Philippe_work | damn, it seems to be down... |
| 11:01.39 | koen | for specialized software you can get a terminal server account |
| 11:01.49 | koen | fng_sma: nope |
| 11:01.57 | fng_sma | cool... perfect moment... |
| 11:02.17 | Philippe_work | yeah, during my lunch breal when I have time to do stuff... |
| 11:03.09 | Philippe_work | s/breal/break |
| 11:03.24 | fng_sma | And when I try to get the cvs version of libgpevtype... which I might need right now. |
| 11:03.51 | koen | I bet Philippe_work or florian will have a recent checkout |
| 11:04.02 | Philippe_work | fng_sma, especially when you are going to leave on holiday tonight |
| 11:06.16 | Philippe_work | fng_sma, I have a recent checkout at home (cvs update from yesterday) but I cannot reach my machine from here ad the proxy blocks ssh |
| 11:07.47 | fng_sma | Philippe_work: Thanks, fortunately I have an update from yesterday too on my other machine, because I tested my plugin. |
| 11:16.02 | Philippe_work | koen, http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8911145047.html |
| 11:16.33 | koen | nice |
| 11:16.43 | koen | could you email that link to gpe@? |
| 11:18.47 | Philippe_work | ok. |
| 11:18.56 | Philippe_work | Anyway people need gpe-mini-browser not minimo :-) |
| 11:22.20 | florian_kc | indeed... minimo is a monster. |
| 11:22.24 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 11:23.04 | koen | according to the minimo webpage it doesn't have https support |
| 11:23.32 | koen | which pretty much means we are going to ship gpe-mini-browser ;) |
| 11:23.45 | Philippe_work | yay!:-) |
| 11:24.33 | Philippe_work | I have been playing with the new gtk-webcore (latest cvs) and discovered that I messed up my last compile and was not yet linked to libsoup... |
| 11:25.23 | Philippe_work | However it is unstable with libcurl now. I will be testing it tonight and make a second try to get libsoup in OE |
| 11:26.05 | Kompo | Does gpe-mini-browser have https support? :) |
| 11:26.50 | Philippe_work | Kompo, if I manage to get libsoup cross compiled (and it works) it should :-) |
| 11:26.54 | robtaylor | rock ;) |
| 11:27.14 | Philippe_work | Kompo, and of course if you got it right :-) |
| 11:27.17 | Kompo | Philippe_work: btw, I got current version of Apple's cvs webcore compiling, but I haven't had time to make it run with NRCit.. |
| 11:28.01 | Kompo | Philippe_work: the only problem is that if you use libsoup, it doesn't have file: scheme support :( |
| 11:28.36 | Kompo | which pretty much means it's not ok |
| 11:28.50 | Kompo | should write also a file url handler.. |
| 11:29.41 | Philippe_work | Kompo, well we can work around that for the moment... (i hope) |
| 11:30.54 | Kompo | If you use curl and libsoup, you have both, but that's also a bit of strange setup |
| 11:31.11 | Kompo | linking against curl just to get files read from disk, that is |
| 11:32.32 | Philippe_work | Kompo, and it works? |
| 11:34.28 | robtaylor | Kompo: are you planning on submitting patches back to cvs webcore? |
| 11:35.06 | Kompo | Philippe_work: yes, I think it should. Anyway, the current cvs version seems a bit unstable. I don't really know why, it seems to crash in webcore code. That's why I think it's better to invest in getting the newest webcore to run, and didn't debug it |
| 11:35.40 | Kompo | robtaylor: yes, when i get something running and maybe implement atleast some of those empty hack functions |
| 11:36.20 | robtaylor | very cool :) |
| 11:36.28 | Kompo | robtaylor: the idea would probably be that the gtk port would be hosted at opendarwin cvs.. or that's my idea atleast |
| 11:36.36 | robtaylor | i shall have to try buildiong for my 770 ;) |
| 11:36.40 | Philippe_work | I was running valgrind on gpe-mini-browser and some stuff popped up. (Might make it more stable too) |
| 11:37.14 | Philippe_work | robtaylor, there are some experimental maemo ARM and i386 packages on http://www.handhelds.org/~philippe/maemo |
| 11:37.29 | robtaylor | Kompo: well i gather thats what they want to :) that'd be a nice win for gtk-webcore.. |
| 11:38.07 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: rock. i'll try installing them when i get home.. havn't had much chance to play with flasher yet tho.. |
| 11:38.53 | Philippe_work | And gpe-mini-browser definitely beats the crap out of minimo for the moment. Once I get the bookmarks in and https is supported it is a winner (IM not so HO) |
| 11:39.13 | robtaylor | haha |
| 11:39.18 | Kompo | i hope the 770 will be on sale soon.. I didn't buy mp3 player, because there's no "opensource friendly" player, and I'm hoping 770 would do good |
| 11:39.21 | koen | and a zoom button on qvga |
| 11:39.36 | koen | Kompo: it passed fcc approval last week |
| 11:39.40 | Philippe_work | koen, if it fits... |
| 11:39.44 | Kompo | that and that it'd be good webpad with opensource browser :) |
| 11:40.01 | koen | Philippe_work: it does use the new toolbar UI |
| 11:40.15 | koen | so you could move some less important stuff 'offscreen' |
| 11:40.22 | robtaylor | just needs a bit of polish. still its faster and more stable than teh 1st series 60 devices, so i'mn very impressed |
| 11:40.25 | Philippe_work | koen, indeed... |
| 11:41.01 | robtaylor | One thing i'll defintly have to hack is getting dasher on there, maybe in the right hand 150 pixels.. should work well ;) |
| 11:41.34 | Philippe_work | robtaylor, for trying it out on the 770 you will probabely need some extra deb packages from the debian arm repositories (libcroco, ...) btw |
| 11:42.09 | Philippe_work | And the link to the menu seems to be missing. (it is fixed in the cvs source from which you should also be able to build a package) |
| 11:42.32 | Kompo | I haven't even checked - does the 770 have stereo sound? |
| 11:42.42 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: ok.. yeah i need to get myself a good scratchbox setup |
| 11:43.12 | robtaylor | Kompo: stero headphone iirc,, the speakers very very quiet in mine tho |
| 11:49.58 | lardman | Kompo: "because there's no "opensource friendly" player" - what about an iRiver with rockbox? |
| 11:50.57 | florian_kc | Kompo: It has and it sounds great. The only drawback is currently the lack of an ogg decoder... |
| 11:51.28 | Kompo | lardman: iRivers cost really much, atleast here in Finland. I don't know why.. |
| 11:52.39 | Kompo | florian_kc: but as there's open source implementations, it shouldn't be a big problem once somebody ports one? Or is there physical restrictions, like processing power? |
| 11:53.06 | florian_kc | Tha major problem with the iRiver is that the devices look more than ugly... |
| 11:53.34 | koen | florian_kc: a while ago someone from nokia said ogg couldn't be done on the omap |
| 11:54.06 | koen | when we where testing oggplayback with gstreamer on the ipaqs :) |
| 11:54.07 | florian_kc | Kompo: The player of the 770 uses gstreamer, so it think it would be easy - we do the same with a Strongarm. |
| 11:54.30 | Philippe_work | koen, that is *bs*. The omap should be fast enough to do the decoding in software. |
| 11:54.44 | florian_kc | koen: hmm... i can't imagine why. the only reason might be the lack of hardware access to the audio hardware. |
| 11:54.45 | koen | Philippe_work: I said something similar |
| 11:54.58 | koen | turns out they didn't know tremor...... |
| 11:55.06 | koen | talk about doing research |
| 11:55.11 | florian_kc | koen: :-) |
| 11:55.27 | XorA | koen: has tremor ever released though? last I checked its not even mentioned on ogg site :-( |
| 11:55.42 | koen | XorA: no idea |
| 11:56.49 | koen | XorA: but gstreamer has a tremor plugin, and they are using gstreamer |
| 11:58.51 | XorA | maybe they scared of RIAA |
| 11:59.10 | XorA | dont you know those freaky pirate dudes use OGG :-) |
| 12:01.37 | florian_kc | heh |
| 12:01.55 | Philippe_work | XorA, most of those so-called pirates are retared nitwits using stuff like kazaa etc on a windows box. The want mp3 because that is the only thing they heard off... |
| 12:02.31 | Philippe_work | I would be amazed that they know what ogg is. Ever seen a press release about pirated music mentioning ogg? |
| 12:03.51 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: its only 200Mhz, you sure it can do it? |
| 12:04.23 | koen | yup, works |
| 12:04.51 | robtaylor | koen: thats a omap? i thought it was an xscale? |
| 12:05.00 | koen | 206mhz strongarm |
| 12:05.09 | robtaylor | mm. xscale>>omap |
| 12:05.41 | koen | strongarm is armv4 and the omap1710 is arm5v + dsp |
| 12:05.42 | Philippe_work | robtaylor, I played ogg on my strongarm 206mhz with libtremor. Cpu utilisation was about 50%. |
| 12:05.59 | robtaylor | ok, sould be doable then ;) |
| 12:06.48 | Philippe_work | the omap even has the more powerful ARM9 core... |
| 12:06.49 | robtaylor | we tried to pursaude one of their packages guys that they *really* need to keep teh dpkg database on there... |
| 12:09.02 | koen | robtaylor: are the gaim devs still giving farsight a hard time? |
| 12:09.41 | robtaylor | koen: i've really stopped taking any notice. last i head they'd come round to using farsight, but i still havn't seen any on channel action from them |
| 12:11.19 | robtaylor | koen: hopefully we'll have a couple of us going full time on ipcf soon tho :) |
| 12:11.30 | koen | cool |
| 12:12.04 | fng_sma | my laptop needs to cool down for a while... See you later. |
| 12:12.24 | robtaylor | koen: just need a better name ;) |
| 12:13.46 | koen | 'plush' |
| 12:16.41 | robtaylor | koen: any particular reason? ;) |
| 12:17.31 | koen | it sounds nice :) |
| 12:18.08 | Philippe_work | and fluffy... |
| 12:19.15 | robtaylor | heh ;) |
| 12:21.03 | robtaylor | sounds like a particularly user friendly shell.. |
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| 12:46.29 | fng_sma | re |
| 12:46.47 | florian_kc | fng_sma: wb |
| 12:47.05 | Philippe_work | wb fng_sma. Did the glass of icy cold water help to cool down your laptop? |
| 12:48.17 | fng_sma | Philippe_work: I found out, that handhelds.org is up again and so I committed, I guess, one of my final changes for this week. |
| 12:48.31 | fng_sma | So there was no break for the poor little thing. |
| 12:49.15 | fng_sma | It is already standing on a baking sheed, it's my heat pipe. |
| 13:01.07 | florian_kc | koen: In latest h3900 imgage users are not allowed to write to mmc cards. |
| 13:01.20 | koen | hmmm |
| 13:01.27 | koen | hey mickeyl |
| 13:01.47 | mickeyl | hi koen, morning |
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| 13:04.14 | fng_sma | whowhowwwwhooo! contacts and todo synced without any error... what happened? Looks like my girlfriend was sitting a little longer at my computer :-) |
| 13:09.43 | florian_kc | fng_sma: yay! cool! |
| 13:10.03 | fng_sma | florian_kc: Perhaps I achieved my goal... |
| 13:10.25 | fng_sma | florian_kc: Looks like it is now all libgpevtypes job to convert and make it compatible! |
| 13:10.34 | fng_sma | That would be so cool. |
| 13:13.21 | florian_kc | yes indeed! |
| 13:16.00 | koen | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/drupal/?q=ipkgfind&action=details&pnm=gpesyncd |
| 13:18.32 | fng_sma | Philippe_work: It took a very long time to find her... |
| 13:20.00 | Philippe_work | fng_sma, how did she get those special powers... maybe we can find a pattern to help us locate the source of the force :-) |
| 13:20.33 | fng_sma | She's coming, I'm gonna ask her... |
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| 13:22.12 | fng_sma | (She says it's the "Power of love... was sent from above...", well she's sometimes a little romantic, you know...) |
| 13:23.50 | koen | is "Sync daemon for GPE and OpenSync" an accurate description? |
| 13:24.22 | fng_sma | koen: That's fine, although I must admit, that I still don't really know what a daemon should be... |
| 13:24.45 | koen | the red thing in the freebsd logo ;) |
| 13:24.52 | mickeyl | heh |
| 13:25.01 | fng_sma | :-) |
| 13:25.44 | koen | florian_kc: you could abuse gpesyncd as an pim-abstraction layer |
| 13:25.55 | mickeyl | http://monotone.vanille.de/viewmtn/getfile.py?id=fb704df6914726aacc853d4b93632bc885eba8f5&path=packages/qte/qte-2.3.10/daemonize.patch |
| 13:26.00 | mickeyl | have a look at the bottom :) |
| 13:26.17 | koen | heh |
| 13:27.19 | florian_kc | ~lart Justin |
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| 13:27.42 | koen | hey mallum |
| 13:28.12 | mallum | hey mr koen |
| 13:28.15 | Philippe_work | afternoon mallum |
| 13:28.29 | mallum | hey Philippe |
| 13:28.41 | koen | mallum: can we test mb2 yet? |
| 13:29.13 | mallum | koen: well its not in svn yet |
| 13:29.33 | florian_kc | hi mallum |
| 13:29.49 | robtaylor | morn mallum :) |
| 13:29.51 | mallum | koen: and I need to rip it up and start again ( no XCB ) |
| 13:29.56 | mallum | hey robtaylor, florian_kc |
| 13:30.12 | koen | xcb is dead again? |
| 13:30.17 | florian_kc | Didn't i explain Justin why we have run-xcalibrate.sh? |
| 13:30.27 | koen | yes |
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| 13:30.36 | koen | set yourself as MAINTAINER and remove the patch |
| 13:31.03 | mallum | koen: not so much dead but missing some crucial bits :( |
| 13:31.48 | koen | a few years back it was all the rage |
| 13:34.50 | florian_kc | koen: http://monotone.vanille.de/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=794224792b1d01286059cc51c477167bc6acc465 |
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| 13:35.51 | mickeyl | perhaps it would be helpful not to explain it in IRC where things can be forgotten, but to state it in the actual .bbfile |
| 13:36.32 | koen | well removing random files from packages is Bad(TM) |
| 13:37.06 | mickeyl | heh |
| 13:37.10 | mickeyl | i bet he didn't find it random |
| 13:37.15 | mickeyl | but you should discuss that with him |
| 13:37.21 | mickeyl | :) |
| 13:37.26 | koen | the other way around |
| 13:37.30 | koen | he should discuss it |
| 13:38.27 | florian_kc | mickeyl: I discussed this with him yesterday and told him the fact that this script is used by various other programs. |
| 13:38.46 | koen | fng_sma: what is the status on calendar and todo syncing? |
| 13:38.59 | koen | I noticed the 'enabled' comments in cvs |
| 13:40.03 | fng_sma | koen: They even work, but only as much as libgpevtype is compatible to evolution. |
| 13:40.10 | koen | heh |
| 13:43.39 | fng_sma | koen: and changing todos in evolution crash the sync... :-( |
| 13:44.25 | fng_sma | or at least they just crashed my sync here. |
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| 13:47.49 | fng_sma | okay, I have to go to spain (or at least start packing for it...) |
| 13:48.19 | Philippe_work | fng_sma, have a nice trip |
| 13:49.16 | fng_sma | Oh I will. |
| 13:49.31 | koen | without computers :) |
| 13:50.28 | fng_sma | :-) I really enjoyed it really much programming all this stuff! |
| 13:50.53 | fng_sma | What a sentence! |
| 13:51.53 | fng_sma | No, it was really great and I learned a lot! |
| 13:52.42 | florian_kc | fng_sma: no need to end it :-) |
| 13:53.19 | florian_kc | fng_sma: but enjoy your trip! |
| 13:53.26 | fng_sma | Oh I won't really, I want to get this finished, since I bought a C750 it's time to make it useful. |
| 13:53.35 | koen | florian_kc: you mean breakfast, right? |
| 13:53.47 | florian_kc | koen: :-} yes.... |
| 13:55.04 | fng_sma | Say hello to pb |
| 13:55.14 | fng_sma | bye |
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| 14:02.15 | koen | o we can improve syncing by improving gpevtype and libmimedir |
| 14:32.05 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 14:32.10 | jsmanrique | how goes everything? |
| 14:35.57 | mallum | jsmanrique: hello |
| 14:36.11 | mallum | http://linuxworldexpo.co.uk/component/listing,OpenedHand/option,com_directory/page,viewListing/lid,73/ :) |
| 14:36.47 | jsmanrique | mallum: how are you? |
| 14:36.59 | florian_kc | hi jsmanrique |
| 14:37.06 | florian_kc | mallum: cool! |
| 14:37.07 | jsmanrique | mallum: have you seen the eink prototypes running linux inside? |
| 14:38.35 | mallum | jsmanrique: I have a librie |
| 14:38.52 | mallum | jsmanrique: they run linux, eink and arn't proto's |
| 14:39.05 | mallum | jsmanrique: what ones are you talking about ? |
| 14:39.45 | jsmanrique | mallum: http://www.positron.org/projects/A51/ |
| 14:39.54 | jsmanrique | mallum: http://www.positron.org/projects/h2/index.shtml |
| 14:40.04 | jsmanrique | mallum: they use gumstix inside |
| 14:40.37 | jsmanrique | mallum: I've read your blog about librie :) |
| 14:41.04 | mallum | jsmanrique: yeah I totally love eink :) |
| 14:41.26 | jsmanrique | mallum: would it be possible to take notes over the pages? |
| 14:41.48 | Philippe_work | those e-ink things are cool. And the gumstix are really neat devices |
| 14:41.52 | jsmanrique | mallum: like people do some times in libraries books |
| 14:42.01 | mallum | jsmanrique: how do you mean ? ( that link is really cool btw ) |
| 14:42.08 | jsmanrique | Philippe_work: yes, they seem |
| 14:42.12 | mallum | jsmanrique: ah yes it is via keyboard |
| 14:42.21 | Philippe_work | they are. Even smaller than you expect (I have one) |
| 14:42.39 | jsmanrique | mallum: yes, the possible to take notes with a 'pen' over the pages ? |
| 14:42.58 | jsmanrique | mallum: it would be nice to create notebooks, and books for students, maybe.. |
| 14:43.06 | jsmanrique | mallum: adding some extra soft |
| 14:44.17 | jsmanrique | mallum: I don't know exactly how fast is eink to be used as a display for some tasks, like calculator and notes taking.. |
| 14:46.00 | koen | yay! |
| 14:46.07 | mallum | jsmanrique: no, no touchscreen. eink is *very* slow |
| 14:46.18 | koen | the local beerstore has leffe radieuse on stock |
| 14:46.29 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 14:46.49 | jsmanrique | mallum: so, it only works for 'reading' |
| 14:46.53 | jsmanrique | mallum: static content |
| 14:47.33 | mallum | jsmanrique: yeah pretty much |
| 14:47.44 | jsmanrique | :( |
| 14:47.44 | mallum | jsmanrique: it can maybe do .5 fps |
| 14:48.00 | jsmanrique | not very useful for students, I think.. |
| 14:48.05 | mallum | jsmanrique: it looks so good it dont matter |
| 14:48.19 | jsmanrique | mallum: yes, the screen looks great |
| 14:48.20 | mallum | jsmanrique: you just have to be clever how you design your ui |
| 14:48.27 | jsmanrique | right |
| 14:48.32 | Philippe_work | koen, definitely a good choice (my personal favourite from the leffe branch) |
| 14:49.24 | jsmanrique | mallum: I was thinking about a device that could work as notebook and book for students, cheap and with long batt life.. nowadays pda don't fit there |
| 14:49.45 | mallum | jsmanrique: eink does, its idea |
| 14:50.11 | jsmanrique | mallum: eink could help in book reading, but if they can't takes hand notes, or similar.. |
| 14:50.14 | mallum | Philippe_work: you've seen a eink device in the 'flesh' ? |
| 14:50.42 | jsmanrique | I think that trees would be happier with more eink possibilities :) |
| 14:51.05 | Philippe_work | mallum, not yet, but turning pages won't be easy with e-ink... |
| 14:51.50 | mallum | Philippe_work: wait till you see it, not a picture. its better than a real book |
| 14:51.54 | mallum | Philippe_work: honestly |
| 14:53.45 | jsmanrique | Philippe_work: put Lord of the Rings there: http://www.positron.org/projects/h2/images/h2_edge_1_md.jpg |
| 14:54.25 | jsmanrique | Philippe_work: and it is readable: http://www.positron.org/projects/h2/images/H2_1_md.jpg |
| 14:54.34 | jsmanrique | sun, light, doesn't matter |
| 14:54.38 | jsmanrique | it is like paper |
| 14:55.17 | jsmanrique | we need it to open pdf and plucker books :-) |
| 14:55.49 | jsmanrique | is this paper or eink? : http://www.flickr.com/photos/deadsunrise/18886965/in/set-444695/ |
| 14:55.55 | Philippe_work | jsmanrique, I do agree it is nice technology. It would be good for newspapers or so. But if I need a book to learn things from I prefer the real thing |
| 14:56.41 | Philippe_work | If I need to get through a 700 pages document I prefer paper |
| 14:57.05 | jsmanrique | Philippe_work: ok, it is your opinion, or you are a strong man :) |
| 14:58.12 | mallum | Philippe_work: how can you say you prefer something when you havn't tried what your comparing it too ;) ? |
| 14:58.37 | XorA | gimme one of the doody little readers |
| 14:58.37 | koen | florian_kc: do you want to have the gpe-today patch in OE or do a new release? |
| 14:58.56 | Philippe_work | mallum, I like to turn pages and rumble through a book. it also folds nicely etc.. I do not expect from e-ink to be able to do that. |
| 14:59.14 | florian_kc | koen: hmmm... maybe just add it to oe, gpe-today needs some more small fixes. |
| 14:59.21 | Philippe_work | But I would definitely like it for small and rapidly changing content |
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| 14:59.39 | koen | ~hail zecke_ |
| 14:59.43 | ibot | ACTION bows down to zecke_ and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 14:59.47 | florian_kc | hi zecke_ |
| 14:59.51 | Philippe_work | mallum : It would definitely replace my newspaper |
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| 14:59.54 | jsmanrique | but it seems that eink hasn't be done for rapid changing content |
| 15:00.07 | jsmanrique | just for book reading :) |
| 15:00.21 | mallum | jsmanrique: where did you get that positron link from btw ? |
| 15:00.35 | jsmanrique | mallum: gumstix mailing list |
| 15:00.46 | mallum | ah |
| 15:01.10 | jsmanrique | mallum: someone is planning to sell eink+gumstix prototypes |
| 15:01.14 | Philippe_work | jsmanrique, my newspaper now does not have 60fps a second. |
| 15:01.19 | jsmanrique | I asked for them |
| 15:01.33 | mallum | jsmanrique: who? |
| 15:01.53 | mallum | jsmanrique: I was speaking to eink about getting some proto's a while back then they went quiet :( |
| 15:02.10 | jsmanrique | mallum: Holly Gates, from eInk :) |
| 15:02.41 | Philippe_work | oeps almost misread... HOLY Gates :-) |
| 15:03.22 | jsmanrique | :) |
| 15:04.04 | jsmanrique | mallum: I asked if there would be eink+gumstix prototypes, and Holly Gates answered that they are working in something |
| 15:04.33 | Philippe_work | give me the eink. I already have a gumstix :_0 |
| 15:04.38 | jsmanrique | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.39 | jsmanrique | prototype a portable type application, including adapter board, button |
| 15:04.39 | jsmanrique | input, lithium polymer batteries and charger, etc. The display will be |
| 15:04.39 | jsmanrique | the 6" SVGA display used in the Sony Librie ebook, the gumstix will be a |
| 15:04.39 | jsmanrique | 400f-bt |
| 15:05.04 | jsmanrique | (copied from his email to me) |
| 15:05.37 | jsmanrique | Unfortunately this first developer's kit is not going to be very cheap. |
| 15:06.05 | jsmanrique | But maybe some of you with some serious interest and a corporate budget to work will be able to swing it. |
| 15:06.18 | jsmanrique | mallum: it seems that's for you :) |
| 15:07.35 | jsmanrique | perhaps this is how it looks like : http://www.positron.org/projects/h2/images/H2_4_md.jpg |
| 15:08.25 | mallum | jsmanrique: I wonder if even he could supply the scematics for the display in a librie |
| 15:08.36 | mallum | jsmanrique: and that could be removed and hooked up to a gumstix |
| 15:09.01 | koen | florian_kc: gpe-today 0.09 is in OE now |
| 15:09.09 | florian_kc | koen: many thanks |
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| 15:10.46 | bedboi | hi there |
| 15:11.31 | florian_kc | hi bedboi |
| 15:11.41 | jsmanrique | hi bedboi |
| 15:11.41 | koen | hey bedboi |
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| 15:27.45 | florian_kc | heh yes, that looks impressive |
| 15:28.08 | florian_kc | but someone needs to teach krokas about how to use cvs... |
| 15:28.51 | Philippe_work | florian_kc, indeed :-) |
| 15:29.13 | Philippe_work | s/hos/his/ |
| 15:32.52 | koen | aargh |
| 15:33.03 | koen | breezy killed my keyboard |
| 15:33.13 | koen | now every key resizes X |
| 15:49.46 | jsmanrique | how goes internationalization support in gpe? |
| 15:51.06 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: like on any glibc based system... |
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| 17:03.08 | Philippe_work | off to home |
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| 18:01.25 | koen | sweet |
| 18:01.33 | koen | gpe-sync works over ipv6 too |
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| 18:12.50 | koen | pb_: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.28419.png |
| 18:13.04 | koen | I added that appointment in evolution :) |
| 18:14.30 | pb_ | ah, very good |
| 18:15.04 | koen | the bugs described in README and install still apply, though |
| 18:15.11 | koen | time vs time + tz |
| 18:16.24 | koen | which is what people on the opensync list are discussing now :) |
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| 18:24.12 | koen | ~seen uE |
| 18:24.18 | ibot | ue <~UE@ppp2-203.dial-up.cnt.ru> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 393d 14h 2m 49s ago, saying: 'Anybody know what is this 0x299022af in poll () from /lib/libc.so.5 (in Kdevelop)'. |
| 18:31.06 | yain | hi guys! I'm becoming quite desperate.. I tried to compile a simpad-image several times.. the bootstrap images worked all quite well.. apart from the ide-cs drivers, but that may have been caused by the default-kernel.conf, but my actual problem is the strange screen i get when I'm using a gpe-image... what could that be? wrong kernel-config? jammed display? |
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| 18:53.29 | mimecar | hi |
| 18:59.33 | LoDown | hi |
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| 19:03.38 | rob-w|BA | hi |
| 19:06.06 | mimecar | hey rob-w|BA |
| 19:17.08 | rob-w|BA | hey mimecar |
| 19:17.24 | rob-w|BA | how is it going for u ? |
| 19:18.08 | rob-w|BA | oh |
| 19:18.39 | koen | hey rob-w|BA |
| 19:18.56 | rob-w|BA | sir |
| 19:19.08 | koen | BA? |
| 19:19.12 | rob-w|BA | bow´s |
| 19:19.16 | koen | big fan of the A-team? |
| 19:19.17 | Philippe | re |
| 19:19.21 | koen | hey Philippe |
| 19:19.43 | Philippe | hey koen |
| 19:20.30 | rob-w|BA | or improper english |
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| 19:24.07 | koen | buen dia tigrux |
| 19:25.10 | koen | Philippe: we need to have a standard for scaps to use in the dev manual |
| 19:25.38 | Philippe | koen, that is a good idea. I suppose you already have thought about that as you bring it up. |
| 19:27.29 | koen | I'd like all the scap to use either industrial or clearlooks to look less dated |
| 19:27.42 | koen | the default theme feels a bit old |
| 19:28.18 | koen | which of course will confuse people seeing an actual install of gpe |
| 19:28.43 | tigrux | Hola koen |
| 19:28.49 | tigrux | koen: Cómo va tu español? |
| 19:29.24 | koen | still the same |
| 19:29.40 | rob-w|BA | koen good choice |
| 19:31.15 | tigrux | koen: "Una cerveza mas", "Estoy ebrio", "Mojito con mas ron" |
| 19:31.29 | koen | more beer, ..., more um in the mojito |
| 19:31.47 | koen | s/um/rum/ |
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| 19:32.52 | florian | re |
| 19:33.14 | koen | hey florian |
| 19:33.53 | pb_ | florian: good evening |
| 19:33.58 | koen | jobi: I'm having troubles adding the latest minisip bits to OE, libmsip give me a lot off C++ voodoo messages |
| 19:34.10 | koen | jobi: any known issues? |
| 19:40.57 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:41.58 | koen | "Linux and Pocket PC Screenshots" |
| 19:42.16 | koen | http://www.internettablettalk.com/content/view/107/2/ is confusing GPE and pocketpc |
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| 19:45.25 | florian | I played with ppc.net today... their ui design is more than bad. |
| 19:47.20 | koen | the stuff that was on the hx4700 was very bad |
| 19:47.35 | koen | it looked like they used pixel doubling for 75% of the gui |
| 19:48.42 | koen | which is the same for the qtopia 2.1beta I used to bootstrap gpe |
| 19:50.57 | koen | florian: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.28419.png <- appointment made in evo2.4 and synced to the ipaq |
| 19:53.47 | koen | and it seems my vcard with embedded pictures seem to break every part of the syncing chain: evo, libmimedir, libgpevtype and gpesyncd |
| 19:54.58 | florian | oops |
| 19:55.39 | florian | looks like we still have some work to do... |
| 19:55.57 | koen | and people to poke |
| 19:56.17 | rob-w|BA | koen thats more like acid, hehe |
| 19:58.09 | Philippe | koen, that is a good idea. It would even be better if we used a different default theme. |
| 19:58.43 | koen | Philippe: to use either one as a new default theme we need to tweak it |
| 19:59.15 | koen | make the scrollbars smaller, make the buttons less big, etc |
| 19:59.38 | koen | bedboi knows how to make the scrollbars smaller |
| 19:59.45 | Philippe | true. I tried industrial but the title bars are too big (and I hate the close button on the left |
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| 20:02.54 | yOyOeK | hi all |
| 20:03.44 | Philippe | hi yOyOeK |
| 20:04.14 | lardman | koen: have you (or anyone else) used Octave on your iPAQ/Z/etc.? |
| 20:04.23 | koen | not yet |
| 20:04.27 | koen | is that the maple clone? |
| 20:04.32 | lardman | MATLAB clone |
| 20:04.45 | lardman | I've noticed an issue ;) |
| 20:05.04 | koen | the octave in OE builds? |
| 20:05.07 | lardman | And as I'm maintainer, I'll have to look into it - if anyone does use it, look out for odd fp results |
| 20:05.16 | lardman | yes, that's right |
| 20:05.31 | koen | if so I could try it on an ipaq (hardfloat) and z (softfloat) after the weekend |
| 20:06.11 | lardman | nah it's okay, just a worrying warning about the fp type not being recognised (actually this is with 2.1.71 which is later than the one which OE builds - I was testing before submitting a patch) |
| 20:07.03 | lardman | I'll follow the warnings back and sort it out, reminds me of doing the same for R (which I reallty should finish the .bb for.... hmm) |
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| 20:07.41 | orangey | hey all! |
| 20:07.54 | orangey | I'm looking to buy a PDA which has to run mass market medical software (i.e., palm or pocketpc). however, it would be ideal if it could run linux too.. |
| 20:07.59 | koen | 2.1.63 ? |
| 20:08.02 | orangey | what do y'all recommend? |
| 20:08.40 | koen | ipaq hx4700 |
| 20:08.44 | koen | ar anything in http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SupportedHandheldSummary |
| 20:08.54 | lardman | koen: I've never run 2.1.63, I'll look at that too though to see if it's a generic problem - it looks like they revamped the fp endianess/formatting checking method relatively recently |
| 20:09.12 | koen | D'oh |
| 20:10.06 | koen | doesn't gmp abstract such things? |
| 20:10.19 | lardman | It doesn't use gmp |
| 20:10.26 | lardman | it's stand alone as far as I can tell |
| 20:11.06 | lardman | That said, the few fp tests I ran did work, but it may manifest itself in the special numbers (Inf, NaN, etc.) - cor this conversation is getting boring hey ;) |
| 20:11.47 | koen | do you have a test case? |
| 20:11.53 | orangey | koen: can I dual boot? |
| 20:12.04 | koen | orangey: if you want, yes |
| 20:12.12 | orangey | koen: why wouldn't i want to? |
| 20:12.26 | koen | orangey: but windows stores stuff in ram so you have to restore a backup every time |
| 20:12.40 | orangey | koen: how trivial is that? |
| 20:12.52 | orangey | also, the hx4700 doesn't show as supported on the moinmoin page |
| 20:13.00 | lardman | koen: no, there's no specific test case, though after reading that they plucked the testing method from R I can use an old one I was using to debug that. I'll sort it, just thought I'd check and see if anyone had noticed anything |
| 20:13.01 | koen | fairly trivial |
| 20:13.23 | koen | feel free to mail me some instructions for testing |
| 20:13.26 | orangey | koen: can I put it in the shutdown process of the linux portion? |
| 20:13.44 | koen | orangey: no, you have to do it from inside windows |
| 20:14.12 | koen | you can automate it with a few tricks though |
| 20:14.12 | orangey | koen: oh. as in it requires a computer system? |
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| 20:14.26 | orangey | or within the pda's windows? |
| 20:14.30 | koen | it requires 'hp ipaq backup' which runs in windows ce |
| 20:14.50 | orangey | i see.. |
| 20:15.12 | orangey | ok.. so overall painless and possibly automatable? |
| 20:15.16 | koen | it's a case of double clicking on the file and select 'restore' |
| 20:15.37 | koen | or writing a autorun script for an sdcard (which I never tried) |
| 20:16.19 | orangey | ok.. |
| 20:16.38 | orangey | so, why pick the 4700 koen? It seems incomplete: wlan isn't there, for example |
| 20:16.48 | orangey | are you banking on it being done soon? |
| 20:17.26 | koen | you can use a cf wlan card, but todd managed to succesfully load the firmware for the internal card |
| 20:17.52 | koen | the hx4700 is afaik the only unit which can run windows and linux with a vga screen |
| 20:17.56 | orangey | i.e., it works? |
| 20:18.07 | orangey | ok.. any other reasons why it's your pick? |
| 20:18.18 | koen | I have one on my desk |
| 20:18.21 | koen | :) |
| 20:18.57 | orangey | that's a reason to take to the bank? |
| 20:19.47 | orangey | alright, cool.. |
| 20:19.47 | koen | not really |
| 20:20.02 | orangey | I think that's good, then.. |
| 20:20.04 | koen | it has decent linux support and a vga screen |
| 20:20.17 | orangey | what price range? |
| 20:20.31 | koen | around 500 euros |
| 20:20.39 | koen | it's HPs top model |
| 20:20.50 | lardman | koen: there was that comparison page on hh.org of the relative state of the various machines wasn't there? |
| 20:23.47 | koen | lardman: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SupportedHandheldSummary |
| 20:24.08 | lardman | koen: that was it, thanks |
| 20:25.27 | lardman | florian: How much are those Nokia 770's going to retail for? |
| 20:25.53 | koen | $350/E350 |
| 20:26.03 | florian | yep |
| 20:26.18 | lardman | that's quite cheap; is that with a contract? |
| 20:26.30 | florian | no |
| 20:26.35 | koen | it isn't a phone |
| 20:26.42 | florian | heh |
| 20:26.47 | florian | koen is faster |
| 20:26.47 | lardman | ah, I was confused as it's made by Nokia |
| 20:26.53 | koen | yeah |
| 20:26.54 | florian | :-) |
| 20:27.23 | lardman | the 770 that is, before anyone makes any comments ;) |
| 20:27.49 | koen | later all |
| 20:27.56 | lardman | night koen |
| 20:28.16 | koen|work | lardman: the party is just getting started :) |
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| 20:28.50 | lardman | is that what the "work" signifies hey? |
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| 20:29.26 | koen|work | lardman: working in a bar has it's adavantages |
| 20:29.48 | koen|work | especially doing the technic stuff instead of dealing with customers |
| 20:30.12 | lardman | koen|work: Ah, cool. I quite fancy a beer myself now that you mention that - must write some more thesis first though |
| 20:34.01 | lardman | florian: That 770 looks really cool. I'd heard the talk about it but never actually got 'round to seeing what it was all about |
| 20:36.45 | florian | lardman: i really like it... i just hope to have more time porting some applications to it. |
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| 20:47.01 | shiyee | goodnight all :-) Uni starts tommorow :-| |
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| 20:47.30 | mimecar | hi |
| 20:47.30 | yOyOeK | sii ja all |
| 21:10.31 | Philippe | Shouldn't we make an "official" statement that GPE 2.7 is frozen? |
| 21:10.49 | *** topic/#gpe by Philippe -> The GPE Palmtop Environment - http://gpe.handhelds.org/ | GPE Wiki: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPEProject |familiar snapshots: http://familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/ | Development Manual (in progress): http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/gpe/doc/devmanual/ | GPE 2.7 frozen. Start the bugfixing! |
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| 21:13.09 | LoDown | I'm a complete noob, but should there be something in the GPE Development Manual about using OE to cross compile? |
| 21:13.52 | mimecar | there is a project manual |
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| 21:13.59 | mimecar | http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/gpe/doc/devmanual/ |
| 21:14.16 | mimecar | i think all docs are on that web |
| 21:14.40 | LoDown | thats what I was looking at |
| 21:14.49 | LoDown | and it doesn't have anything about OE |
| 21:15.01 | LoDown | http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/gpe/doc/devmanual/x116.html |
| 21:15.06 | LoDown | at least that I could see |
| 21:15.12 | mimecar | i don't know |
| 21:15.28 | LoDown | oh well |
| 21:15.54 | mimecar | there's a package with necesary files |
| 21:16.02 | mimecar | but i haven't install it |
| 21:17.05 | Philippe | LoDown, for OE there is plenty of documentation on www.openembedded.org |
| 21:17.08 | LoDown | well...I use OE |
| 21:17.39 | LoDown | but i was figuring there should be something about OE in the GPE developers manual...not for me, but just in case someone else needed to be pointed in that direction |
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| 21:18.05 | Philippe | and GPE is independent of OE |
| 21:18.10 | florian | oops |
| 21:18.13 | Philippe | but it might be useful indeed |
| 21:18.16 | Philippe | wb florian |
| 21:18.24 | mimecar | hey florian |
| 21:18.29 | florian | X on my nbp crashed |
| 21:24.02 | florian | that reminds me to ask the t2 people about updating gpe :-) |
| 21:25.10 | Philippe | florian, t2? |
| 21:25.33 | Philippe | grrr... webcore cvs with libsoup crashes |
| 21:28.35 | florian | Philippe: a build system... a little bit comparable to oe, but simpler and not that powerful imho. |
| 21:29.23 | florian | Philippe: some people from this project were our neighbours at cebit |
| 21:29.46 | florian | thes startyed to integrate a basic gpe at this time |
| 21:30.59 | Philippe | ah ok. |
| 21:31.24 | Philippe | Should we put out an statement that we froze gpe 2.7 (if I may consider it frozen.) |
| 21:31.59 | Philippe | mailing list, website? |
| 21:34.29 | mimecar | website, yes |
| 21:34.38 | mimecar | last news are old |
| 21:34.55 | florian | yep... i can do that later |
| 21:35.04 | mimecar | it looks there is not any changes on project (but there are) |
| 21:35.29 | florian | need to put the parts of my new desk together first... |
| 21:36.19 | mimecar | is there a gpe 2.7 bugs fix ? |
| 21:38.16 | mimecar | florian: can you send me (after) freeze note ? I can't translate it and add it to my web |
| 21:38.57 | mimecar | I can |
| 21:39.04 | orangey | koen|work: you around? |
| 21:39.08 | mimecar | that can't is wrong |
| 21:40.10 | florian | mimecar: i'll add it to the hh.org geeklog |
| 21:40.19 | mimecar | ok |
| 21:40.41 | mimecar | what's the full address ? |
| 21:44.56 | orangey | dudes: I want to buy an ipaq, but can't stomach the idea of pouring money into MS's coffers |
| 21:44.59 | orangey | any ways around this? |
| 21:45.03 | orangey | buy used? |
| 21:45.44 | mimecar | i only have a zaurus |
| 21:45.51 | Philippe | orangey, unfortunately you won't be able to buy an Ipaq without MS. (even if you buy a used one you will pay part of it) |
| 21:46.24 | Philippe | try a Nokia 770. They are going to come out soon and already run Linux + there is full GPE support |
| 21:46.25 | florian | mimecar: thats what you get at handhelds.org website and in the gpe main page |
| 21:46.44 | mimecar | ok florian |
| 21:46.46 | lardman | mimecar: if you have a Z, why do you want an iPAQ? |
| 21:47.14 | mimecar | lardman: i would like more battery autonomy and a best screen |
| 21:47.28 | florian | Philippe: "full" is exeggerated... but it shouldn't be too hard. we are missing some device controls and sound |
| 21:47.29 | mimecar | i have the first zaurus model |
| 21:47.37 | orangey | Philippe: the issue is that I need to run mass-market medical software (references, etc) on them |
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| 21:47.40 | lardman | mimecar: yes, fair enough, how good is the battery life with the iPAQs with Linux? |
| 21:48.04 | mimecar | i think better than zaurus (1:30-2)hours |
| 21:48.14 | mimecar | a haven't any ipaq and i don't know exact time |
| 21:48.26 | lardman | mimecar: I'd be tempted by the sl6000 in that case, as it has a keyboard, not sure what the battery is like but the screen is supposed to be good |
| 21:48.48 | lardman | That said, my only reason for saying that is the keyboard, I've nothing against IPAQs |
| 21:49.02 | mimecar | ipaq is good |
| 21:49.23 | florian | orangey: then the 770 might be worth a try... because linux is officially supported |
| 21:49.39 | lardman | from my understanding the battery life is not as good as with WinCE (in case that's the figure you're using)? Is this true, anyone with one? |
| 21:49.44 | orangey | florian: but can it do pocketpc or palm os emulation? |
| 21:49.47 | mimecar | lardman: i can't buy directly sl-6000 on spain, i should buy in other country |
| 21:49.57 | orangey | there is a palm emu for linux, which I believe runs on gpe |
| 21:50.10 | orangey | I'd be interested in people's experiences with it |
| 21:50.12 | lardman | mimecar: I take it all back, go for a Nokia 770 when they come out - I want one of those, looks cool |
| 21:50.37 | mimecar | but 770 is bigger than pda |
| 21:50.43 | orangey | incidentally, what's the 770's street supposed to be? |
| 21:50.44 | mimecar | my jacket is small :p |
| 21:50.56 | mimecar | orangey: some thing similar a pda |
| 21:51.01 | mimecar | and a computer |
| 21:51.08 | lardman | mimecar: It's small I think |
| 21:51.33 | lardman | only a bit bigger than the 5500 from the looks of the diagram I've drawn myself |
| 21:51.34 | florian | mimecar: it fits into an ipaq bag, maybe one cm longer than an 3870 |
| 21:51.37 | orangey | mimecar: huh? |
| 21:52.01 | lardman | mimecar: spec: http://nokia.co.uk/nokia/0,,75322,00.html |
| 21:52.19 | lardman | specifically: Dimensions: 141 x 79 x 19 mm |
| 21:52.49 | mimecar | what prize will have ? |
| 21:53.17 | florian | mimecar: about 350 eur |
| 21:54.09 | lardman | florian: It only has that mmc-rs as expansion? No usb host? |
| 21:54.18 | mimecar | is cheaper |
| 21:54.40 | lardman | true, and it has built in BT & WiFi which is what would be rather cool |
| 21:54.49 | lardman | & big screen! |
| 21:54.57 | Philippe | 800x480 |
| 21:55.36 | florian | lardman: it isn't an advertized feature... the omap can operate in host mode but the device doesn't supply power to the bus. but with external power it should work. |
| 21:55.38 | mimecar | interesting |
| 21:55.59 | florian | yes... screen and audio out are pretty good. |
| 21:56.04 | lardman | florian: I'm definietely getting one then |
| 21:56.11 | mimecar | one friend wants send me an ipaq by 300 € |
| 21:56.22 | mimecar | 350 with that features is interesting |
| 21:56.29 | lardman | what's € ? |
| 21:56.39 | lardman | other than my dodgy char set |
| 21:56.50 | mimecar | lardman: euro symbol |
| 21:57.03 | florian | heh |
| 21:57.04 | mimecar | i can write name if youi want |
| 21:57.07 | lardman | ah, should have known, I was going to say Peseta (spelling) |
| 21:57.24 | mimecar | 3º quarter of 2005 |
| 21:57.28 | mimecar | interesting... |
| 21:57.40 | mimecar | lardman: peseta was before euro |
| 21:58.07 | lardman | mimecar: I know, I live in the UK, but I tend to forget as I've not been abroad all that recently |
| 21:58.25 | orangey | when will the 770 be released? |
| 21:59.53 | florian | soon :-) |
| 22:00.26 | florian | thats the most frequent question of the last months... |
| 22:00.50 | mimecar | orangey: 3º quarter of 2005 |
| 22:00.56 | mimecar | 350 euro on release? |
| 22:01.23 | lardman | sounds pretty good to me |
| 22:02.12 | mimecar | me to |
| 22:02.13 | orangey | mimecar: anything more specific? |
| 22:02.31 | mimecar | http://nokia.co.uk/nokia/0,,75339,00.html#1 |
| 22:03.09 | mimecar | gpe version on nokia is in project, aren't you? |
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| 22:03.57 | mimecar | sorry |
| 22:03.58 | florian | mimecar: argh |
| 22:03.59 | mimecar | that are features |
| 22:04.13 | mimecar | it has not sd :( |
| 22:04.21 | orangey | florian: so, you think that a 770 is a better idea (with a palm emulator) than an ipaq with familiar? |
| 22:04.26 | florian | mimecar: rs-mmc is ok |
| 22:04.43 | florian | orangey: yes,,, |
| 22:04.44 | mimecar | orangey: palm emulator only emule -| 3.5 |
| 22:05.17 | florian | orangey: hmm... do you have existing palm software you want to run? |
| 22:05.19 | mimecar | latest programs run 5.2 |
| 22:05.43 | orangey | florian: various med software |
| 22:05.59 | mimecar | orangey: do you know datebk5 ? |
| 22:06.05 | orangey | mimecar: no |
| 22:06.12 | mimecar | is a palm datebook |
| 22:06.25 | mimecar | do you know medical software, aren't you? |
| 22:07.00 | orangey | mimecar: I find it difficult to understand exactly what you're asking |
| 22:07.13 | mimecar | you say you know some palm programs |
| 22:07.22 | orangey | what's your native language? |
| 22:07.28 | mimecar | spanish |
| 22:07.34 | orangey | alright.. talk in that |
| 22:07.43 | mimecar | whre are you from ? |
| 22:07.51 | orangey | canada |
| 22:08.02 | mimecar | ok |
| 22:08.31 | mimecar | I only tell you some palm program |
| 22:08.39 | mimecar | I thought you know more palm programs |
| 22:08.40 | florian | orangey: hmm... it might b worth a try porting that software |
| 22:08.52 | mimecar | is not easy write some sentences in english |
| 22:08.55 | orangey | florian: I have neither the skill nor the time |
| 22:09.04 | orangey | mimecar: speak spanish then |
| 22:09.07 | mimecar | orangey: what that programs are? |
| 22:09.20 | mimecar | orangey: yes, but this is an english channel |
| 22:09.24 | lardman | orangey: what is the software you need to run? |
| 22:09.33 | orangey | mimecar: but I have no idea what you're saying |
| 22:09.44 | mimecar | don't worry |
| 22:09.53 | mimecar | is not important :) |
| 22:10.03 | orangey | lardman: various medical software, existing and to come.. like skyscape's 5 minute clinical consult |
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| 22:11.36 | orangey | so really, porting is not an option.. but if the palm os emulator is good, then I can go with that |
| 22:11.47 | lardman | orangey: That runs on the desktop too from the looks of it - a job for bochs? ;) |
| 22:12.16 | lardman | It only says it requires a desktop pc and 21.7MB of memory, no particular OS :) |
| 22:12.42 | lardman | Though realistically the palm one is the best bet I imagine |
| 22:12.58 | orangey | lardman: well, there are wince equivalents too, likely, |
| 22:13.05 | orangey | can wine run them? |
| 22:13.17 | lardman | No, there's no 'wine' for wince |
| 22:13.29 | lardman | and wine can't run on an arm processor either |
| 22:13.43 | orangey | OK. |
| 22:13.49 | orangey | so in that case, I may not want a 770 |
| 22:14.06 | Philippe | orangey, I don't think it is a good idea to go emulate very specific software. There will probabely be no support at all if something goes wrong |
| 22:14.11 | orangey | because whatever I run MUST be able to run various med softwares.. |
| 22:14.28 | lardman | yes, that's troublesome really |
| 22:14.28 | orangey | OK.. so then let's go back to a wince that'll run familiar |
| 22:14.31 | mimecar | orangey: have you test palm emualtor for gpe ? |
| 22:14.37 | mimecar | emulator |
| 22:14.55 | lardman | he doesn't have a device to run on I don;'t think |
| 22:15.33 | orangey | yep. I am looking to buy a device |
| 22:16.40 | lardman | Isn't the 770 going to come with Wince/pocketpc/tabletpc anyway? |
| 22:17.01 | orangey | lardman: no. it's linux-based |
| 22:17.16 | mimecar | runs gpe natively? |
| 22:17.26 | orangey | that's the point |
| 22:17.58 | mimecar | then you don't need install extra software, it will run gpe from the box, aren't you? |
| 22:18.01 | lardman | ah, I misread it, I thought it'd be like an iPAQ, but with 2 supported OSes |
| 22:18.28 | lardman | mimecar: yes, but he can't test the Palm emulator beforehand as he has nothing to test it on |
| 22:18.53 | mimecar | there is a palm emulator for gpe, aren't you? |
| 22:19.02 | mimecar | or only works on opie? |
| 22:19.33 | orangey | you're using "aren't you" incorrectly |
| 22:19.37 | lardman | No there;s an X based one I'm prety sure, but you can never be sure how well a particular app will actually perform inside the emulator |
| 22:20.08 | orangey | Aren't you = ¿no es usted? |
| 22:20.23 | mimecar | no, it means "¿verdad?" |
| 22:20.35 | mimecar | is a question tag (i think) |
| 22:20.37 | lardman | orangey: true, but he's speaking English a hell of a lot better than I speak Spanish, this is internet-English after all ;) |
| 22:21.03 | Philippe | mimecar, means isn't it when he says aren't you. |
| 22:21.12 | Philippe | Once you get that it becomes easier :-) |
| 22:21.24 | mimecar | lardman: I tell orangey we can speak both languages some days (english , spanish) |
| 22:21.36 | orangey | mimecar: no, it doesn't |
| 22:21.41 | mimecar | xDDD |
| 22:22.01 | mimecar | i'm crazy :p |
| 22:22.05 | lardman | :D |
| 22:22.32 | orangey | lardman: I told him as much. but we can help him a bit with the english.. and that's a constant mistake: [18:14] <orangey> hehe : ) you need practice, of course.. but if I spoke spanish, I would be much worse, so don't worry about it |
| 22:23.20 | mimecar | english for dummies |
| 22:23.26 | mimecar | with gpe |
| 22:24.38 | lardman | That particular correction is (probably - I don't speak Spanish) a difficult one as there are so many English possibilities depending on the number of objects, etc. |
| 22:25.23 | mimecar | lardman: spanish use the same word for one or more persons |
| 22:25.30 | orangey | mimecar: so, instead, verdad? would become: "isn't it?" (that's true, isn't it?) or "isn't there" (there's a palm emu for gpe, isn't there?) |
| 22:25.43 | mimecar | orangey: true |
| 22:26.57 | orangey | ok.. point: Do you guys believe that I should go for an ipaq instead? |
| 22:27.19 | mimecar | orangey: why don't you buy a zaurus? |
| 22:27.22 | lardman | I'd try to find out if anyone's had your software running on the emulator |
| 22:27.42 | lardman | mimecar: he needs specific software which is Palm/pocketpc |
| 22:27.53 | mimecar | ok |
| 22:28.13 | Philippe | orangey, to be sure I would say get yourself a decent Ipaq. And you should be able to run Linux/GPE from a CF or something similar |
| 22:28.22 | mimecar | orangey: do you need a specific version of palm operating system ? |
| 22:28.37 | Philippe | the 4700 is almost well supported so I would go for one of those.. |
| 22:29.20 | lardman | mimecar: If I'm not mistaken this was the one which was mentioned: http://www.skyscape.com/estore/productdetail.aspx?productid=1230 |
| 22:29.55 | orangey | Philippe: alright.. the 4700 sounds good, but I'm concerned about the Big Balls factor |
| 22:30.17 | orangey | i.e., I don't want to pay a premium for tech just so I can tell people I have a bigger dick |
| 22:30.49 | orangey | and since the 4700 is the top of the line, some of that may be in play.. what's the second best? |
| 22:31.23 | lardman | You might want to check what it requires by way of PocketPC version |
| 22:31.45 | lardman | orangey: here are your choices anyway http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SupportedHandheldSummary |
| 22:31.48 | orangey | what do you gentlemen run? |
| 22:31.59 | lardman | Philippe: the software he wants to run that is |
| 22:32.10 | lardman | Philippe: on the iPAQ in MS mode |
| 22:32.28 | orangey | and what do you think of the 3850? |
| 22:32.30 | lardman | orangey: I have a Zaurus c750 & Zaurus sl5500 |
| 22:32.33 | Philippe | lardman, I meant I haven't been tracking Ipaq's |
| 22:32.39 | lardman | Philippe: ah |
| 22:32.45 | orangey | lardman: I can't do those |
| 22:33.02 | lardman | orangey: you asked, I thought I'd chip in ;) |
| 22:33.10 | orangey | I'm glad you did |
| 22:33.18 | mimecar | lardman: if your move your sl-5500 fast, can you see screen lines ? |
| 22:33.19 | orangey | I would LOVE a shell zaurus |
| 22:33.31 | Philippe | orangey, the 3850 is good but a bit limited and you cannot get accesories anymore easily |
| 22:33.43 | orangey | Philippe: aaah.. good to know. |
| 22:33.52 | mimecar | orangey: you have shell on familiar, isn't it? |
| 22:33.53 | lardman | mimecar: you mean the pixels (lines between)? I can see those, the screen is rather granular after using my C750 |
| 22:34.01 | orangey | I think I might use my Staples Tryout Technique.. in which I buy then refund : ) |
| 22:34.02 | mimecar | lardman: yes |
| 22:34.14 | lardman | mimecar: s/isn't it/don't you ;) |
| 22:34.28 | pb_ | florian: florian it'd be a bit of a stretch to describe the SGI as a handheld, though |
| 22:34.28 | mimecar | is not correct? |
| 22:34.36 | orangey | hahaha. sorry about that mimecar.. there are lots of cases as lard said |
| 22:34.39 | pb_ | er, whoops, too many florians there |
| 22:34.52 | lardman | mimecar: "you have a shell on familiar, don't you?" is correct |
| 22:34.55 | mimecar | well, I can use shell expresion |
| 22:35.05 | orangey | mimecar: in that case, you are talkini about me.. so "isn't it" is talking about me, and I'm not an "it". I'm a "you" |
| 22:35.17 | mimecar | ok ok ok |
| 22:35.23 | lardman | (I said this would get messy :) ) |
| 22:36.00 | mimecar | I should write sentences slower |
| 22:36.05 | orangey | mimecar: stay patient. Your speed of learning is actually amazing |
| 22:36.19 | orangey | mimecar: it would have taken me months to make that correction, which you made immediately |
| 22:36.26 | mimecar | xDDD |
| 22:36.48 | mimecar | speak another language is not easy |
| 22:37.00 | mimecar | i should practica and learn new words and sentences |
| 22:37.33 | lardman | mimecar: does the isn't it mistake occur because you (Spanish) are thinking "you have a shell, isn't that fact true?" ? |
| 22:37.49 | mimecar | yes, that's the sense |
| 22:38.14 | florian | pb_: hmm well... ehem, yes.... okay i take it with me whenever i go to Oldenburg ;-) |
| 22:38.52 | pb_ | florian: heh, I guess that makes it a portable machine. |
| 22:39.07 | lardman | mimecar: In English it's a bit different - you could say the entire sentance as I did above, but otherwise you just use the pronoun which you've already used |
| 22:39.17 | florian | pb_: yes - it fits in my car ;-) |
| 22:39.19 | lardman | mimecar: Something like that, too late in the evening for grammar :) |
| 22:39.35 | mimecar | lardman: it's 00:40 am |
| 22:39.49 | mimecar | i got up at 5 am today |
| 22:40.09 | lardman | mimecar: ah, only 23:40 here, but I'm tired |
| 22:41.20 | orangey | any experiences with the hx2410? |
| 22:41.31 | mimecar | florian: format c: |
| 22:41.34 | mimecar | is fast |
| 22:42.26 | florian | mimecar: no windows on my desk :-) |
| 22:42.46 | mimecar | then 'mv /* /dev/null' |
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| 22:43.34 | florian | mimecar: too expensive... and i would get rid of quite some historical stoff |
| 22:43.55 | florian | ahh... that guy looks familiar :) |
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| 22:44.42 | LoDown | haha |
| 22:44.44 | florian_ | Better :-) |
| 22:45.07 | LoDown | wb florian_ |
| 22:45.26 | pb_ | florian_: maybe you should just install your new desk alongside the old one. |
| 22:47.30 | lardman | florian_: what kind of GPU does the 770 have? Will it be able to play DivX fullscreen etc.? |
| 22:47.44 | florian_ | pb_: Well... let me try to explain the situation: I put the parts of the new desk together... in the kitchen! |
| 22:48.35 | florian_ | lardman: I don't know offhand, they have some dsp in that device to do the decoding. |
| 22:48.49 | pb_ | florian_: ah, that sounds like an interesting approach |
| 22:48.49 | lardman | florian_: cool, thanks |
| 22:50.00 | pigeon | ! |
| 22:50.08 | florian_ | :-) |
| 22:50.16 | mimecar | good night |
| 22:50.21 | Philippe | night mimecar |
| 22:50.25 | florian_ | mimecar: good night |
| 22:50.25 | lardman | mimecar: night mimecar |
| 22:50.59 | florian_ | hmm... i didn't even think about what to do with the old desks ;-) |
| 22:51.11 | pb_ | heh |
| 22:51.38 | orangey | hmmm.. where can I find refurb ipaqs? |
| 22:52.27 | lardman | orangey: ebay? |
| 22:52.50 | orangey | lardman: indeed.. any other suggestions? |
| 22:53.10 | orangey | I'm not sure I know how to navigate the ebay sellers that well, though I have never been ripped off so far |
| 22:53.22 | florian_ | There are some shops which sell this stuff... but i don't know offhand. |
| 22:54.06 | florian_ | orangey: oh.. i had this one time - buying an iPaq! |
| 22:54.23 | orangey | huh? |
| 22:55.51 | orangey | does futureshop match tigerdirect? |
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| 22:57.44 | lardman | I'm off home, night all |
| 22:57.51 | orangey | nightie |
| 23:00.05 | Philippe | koen|slug, this might be something for you http://linuxadvocate.org/projects/roadster/ |
| 23:07.25 | Philippe | ~lart mozilla for crashing when I just found what I needed |
| 23:11.09 | LoDown | hmm...that was a weird response from ibot |
| 23:11.36 | pb_ | yeah, ibot is a bit mixed up |
| 23:11.52 | LoDown | haha |
| 23:12.02 | LoDown | well...at least I know about M$ Access now ;) |
| 23:12.37 | pb_ | if it wasn't for the botmail thing, I would probably have ibot on /ignore. |
| 23:12.53 | LoDown | haha |
| 23:13.00 | LoDown | what is botmail? |
| 23:13.12 | LoDown | i guess it would be annoying after a while |
| 23:13.18 | pb_ | ibot, botmail for LoDown: this |
| 23:13.43 | pb_ | LoDown: try leaving and rejoining the channel now |
| 23:13.47 | LoDown | ok |
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| 23:14.21 | LoDown | hmm...nifty |
| 23:21.33 | koen | Philippe: roadster is already in OE :) |
| 23:21.45 | florian_ | koen: wb |
| 23:22.34 | koen | idiots |
| 23:23.58 | LoDown | :-0 |
| 23:24.08 | LoDown | koen: why? |
| 23:26.18 | koen | Philippe: nope, Grolsch |
| 23:26.35 | koen | LoDown: because they are idiot and left all taps open for an hour |
| 23:27.06 | koen | we noticed because our flowmeter showed 600liters for a closed(!) bar |
| 23:27.17 | LoDown | ouch |
| 23:27.22 | florian_ | ! |
| 23:27.38 | LoDown | your university has a bar? |
| 23:27.42 | LoDown | thats tight... |
| 23:29.48 | koen | LoDown: actually multiple bars and the SU is trying to usurp all bars |
| 23:29.57 | koen | but my bar has all the beer |
| 23:30.04 | koen | so the loss was pure profit for us |
| 23:31.17 | LoDown | :-D |
| 23:31.26 | LoDown | me thinks I want to go your university |
| 23:34.44 | koen | 'night all |
| 23:34.49 | Philippe | night koen|sleep |
| 23:34.54 | florian_ | koen|sleep: good night |
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| 23:53.12 | florian_ | http://www.handhelds.org/geeklog/index.php |
| 23:57.01 | florian_ | good night |
