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| 08:33.57 | shiyee | morning koen|slug |
| 08:45.33 | koen|slug | hey shiyee |
| 08:45.52 | koen|slug | http://blogs.gnome.org/attachment/uraeus/2005/08/27/0/gnome_logo_2.12.png |
| 08:47.44 | shiyee | hehe :-) |
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| 10:02.26 | krokas_ | Did you know that there is a bug with Hans-Boehm GC on ARM? |
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| 10:15.08 | krokas_ | "Which means I should really get 6.6 out ..." - Hans Boehm 10 days ago :) |
| 10:16.56 | koen|slug | heh |
| 10:17.13 | koen|slug | I know inkscape's ./configure fails on libgc |
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| 10:35.24 | koen|slug | pH5: how well does gpe handle dbus > 0.30? |
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| 11:05.49 | yOyOeK | hi all |
| 11:39.51 | pH5 | koen|slug: not so well. the system bus didn't start (had to mkdir /var/run/dbus manually) and I didn't have time to test session bus/gpe behaviour so far. the libdbus-glib soname has changed, so I guess that means I have to recompile gpe first. |
| 11:40.35 | koen|slug | I was affraid of that |
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| 11:41.30 | koen|slug | dbus changed api after 0.23, so it might needs some patches |
| 11:46.48 | pH5 | koen|slug: I see. |
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| 11:56.25 | koen|slug | pH5: I don't know what the plans are for dbus in GPE, it could be that the update is planned for gpe 3.0 |
| 11:56.40 | koen|slug | but that's just a wild guessf |
| 11:57.43 | pH5 | koen|slug: I already figured that zeroconf won't go into the next release. |
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| 13:59.25 | pH5 | koen|slug: my gtk+-2.8.0 build fix was wrong. I think that the problem is that the gtk+-uninstalled-2.0.pc depends on gdk-x11-2.0-uninstalled.pc which is not installed in the staging area. |
| 14:05.46 | koen|slug | sounds like a bug in the pkgconfig class |
| 14:07.02 | pH5 | I just had gtk-engines-2.6.3-r0 failing to build because it was missing the cairo includes. |
| 14:09.47 | koen|slug | I wonder how well 2.6.5 works with an older cairo |
| 14:09.49 | koen|slug | hey mickeyl |
| 14:09.52 | mickeyl | hey koen |
| 14:10.34 | pH5 | morning, mickeyl |
| 14:10.43 | mickeyl | hi pH5 |
| 14:10.50 | koen|slug | it seems clearlooks is in the upstream gtk-engines now |
| 14:36.12 | koen|slug | pH5: I just pushed gtk 2.8.2 |
| 14:36.33 | JiniDog | How can I solve that? |
| 14:36.34 | JiniDog | gpe-go.c:307: warning: implicit declaration of function `setlocale' |
| 14:36.34 | JiniDog | gpe-go.c:307: error: `LC_ALL' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 14:36.34 | JiniDog | gpe-go.c:307: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 14:36.34 | JiniDog | gpe-go.c:307: error: for each function it appears in.) |
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| 15:28.30 | tommie | hi, is it already possible to transfer contacts from a phone to the GPE address book via Bluetooth? |
| 15:31.29 | tommie | I can transfer contacts the other way without trouble, but the ipaq does not appear in the device list on my K750i, only if I scan for devices and add it manually, not if I just transfer the contact |
| 15:33.59 | pH5 | koen|slug: so this was a gtk bug. gtk-2.8.2 works fine without pkg-config-pangoft2.patch (should I remove it again?) and gtk-engines-2.6.5 compiles, too. |
| 15:34.30 | koen|slug | pH5: if it isn't needed you can remove it |
| 15:34.45 | pH5 | what about adding gtk-engines 2.6.5 to oe? |
| 15:35.54 | koen|slug | go ahead |
| 15:35.58 | pH5 | ok |
| 15:36.26 | koen|slug | we can always set PREFERRED_VERSION_gtk-engines ?= 2.6.3 on preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc |
| 15:42.07 | koen|slug | tommie: I get "not supported by receiver" on my s55 |
| 15:42.18 | pH5 | hm.. now gnome-themes-2.6.2 doesn't find cairo includes. |
| 15:43.05 | koen|slug | maybe 2.11.92 will work |
| 15:45.20 | tommie | koen|slug: hm, interesting |
| 15:46.44 | tommie | koen|slug: Pairing works, I can enter the bluetooth PIN on both devices without trouble, but the ipaq does not appear on the list when sending something. It works the other way round though. |
| 15:47.17 | pH5 | koen|slug: oh no, it's still the pkg-config problem: "cd ~/src/oe/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/share/pkgconfig; cp gdk-2.0-uninstalled.pc gdk-x11-2.0-uninstalled.pc" and it works. |
| 15:50.20 | koen|slug | tommie: for i in DID SP DUN LAN FAX OPUSH FTP HS HF SAP NAP GN PANU HID CIP CTP A2SRC A2SNK SYNCML NOKID PCSUITE SR1 ; do sdptool add $i ; done |
| 15:50.28 | koen|slug | that will add all services |
| 15:50.45 | koen|slug | my phone seems to send a vcard, but I can't find it on the ipaq |
| 15:53.42 | tommie | koen|slug: And which services are really supported by GPE? :-) |
| 15:53.50 | koen|slug | tommie: ehm....... |
| 15:55.44 | tommie | koen|slug: Hm, is this related to the device class in hcid.conf? |
| 15:55.50 | koen|slug | no idea |
| 15:56.01 | tommie | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.03 | tommie | this is my notebook |
| 15:56.07 | tommie | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.10 | tommie | this is the PDA |
| 15:56.40 | pb_ | tommie: yes, vcard beaming should work. |
| 15:57.11 | tommie | ah |
| 15:57.18 | tommie | changing the device class helps |
| 15:57.28 | tommie | is this a bug in the bluetooth packages? |
| 15:57.37 | pb_ | possibly, yeah. what was the class set to? |
| 15:57.52 | pb_ | and what did you need to change it to? |
| 15:57.54 | tommie | pb_: see above :-) |
| 15:58.02 | tommie | The exact format is described in my manpage |
| 15:58.11 | tommie | perhaps it can be crafted more carefully |
| 15:58.26 | pb_ | ah, right, so you changed the ipaq to have the same class as your notebook? |
| 15:58.40 | pb_ | I think it was set to 0x120112 because some Nokia phones liked it that way. |
| 15:58.42 | tommie | indeed |
| 15:58.51 | tommie | pb_: hm, it's a bitmask, I'll check that |
| 15:59.21 | tommie | strange, now it oes show up, but it does not accept transfers anymore |
| 15:59.27 | tommie | I'll try again :-) |
| 16:00.32 | pH5 | in gtk+-2.8.2, gdk-x11-2.0-uninstalled.pc is not installed by pkgconfig.bbclass because it isn't built during do_compile. what would be the best place to put a "make gdk-x11-2.0-uninstalled.pc" or similar? |
| 16:05.19 | tommie | pb_: Is there a special process that accepts the vcard? |
| 16:10.01 | pb_ | tommie: gpe-bluetooth does that. |
| 16:10.21 | tommie | hm, it's running |
| 16:10.24 | tommie | but the transfer fails |
| 16:10.43 | pb_ | what is the error? |
| 16:10.55 | tommie | the phone simply says "Connection failed" |
| 16:11.03 | pb_ | pH5: why do you want the -uninstalled .pc installed? |
| 16:11.13 | pb_ | tommie: ah, that's not very helpful |
| 16:11.35 | pb_ | maybe you could try sending a vcard from your laptop or something |
| 16:11.41 | tommie | ah |
| 16:11.45 | tommie | how do I do that? |
| 16:11.57 | tommie | obexftp should do the trick, right? |
| 16:12.16 | pb_ | you need one of the openobex utilities. I forget exactly which one. |
| 16:12.40 | tommie | ,--8<- |
| 16:12.40 | tommie | | stefan@nano:~$ obexftp -b 00:02:72:80:A1:76 -p access.log |
| 16:12.40 | tommie | | Failed to connect to SDP server: Host is down |
| 16:12.40 | tommie | `-->8- |
| 16:12.44 | tommie | hm |
| 16:13.20 | tommie | I'm stracing the gpe-bluetooth process, there is no reaction |
| 16:13.30 | pb_ | hm. |
| 16:13.36 | pb_ | "host is down" is a strange kind of error. |
| 16:13.45 | pb_ | can you l2ping that address? |
| 16:13.57 | pH5 | pb_: actually, I don't understand what they do. Should I instead remove the gtk+-2.0-uninstalled.pc and gdk-2.0-uninstalled.pc (that are currently installed into staging by gtk+-2.8.2)? |
| 16:14.09 | pb_ | pH5: yes, that sounds like a better idea |
| 16:14.33 | pH5 | many packages install those -uninstalled.pc files... the new atk, glib-2.0, glade, gpewidget, libxml and pango at least. |
| 16:14.39 | pb_ | yeah |
| 16:14.45 | pb_ | I think that is a bug in pkgconfig.bbclass. |
| 16:14.53 | pb_ | it should be filtering out the -uninstalled ones, but it neglects to do so. |
| 16:15.11 | pH5 | pb_: ah! so now I know what to look for :) |
| 16:16.18 | tommie | pb_: perhaps an iptables issue? |
| 16:16.23 | tommie | I'll check that |
| 16:19.06 | tommie | pb_: How do I use this l2ping? |
| 16:19.15 | tommie | I get "no route to host" |
| 16:19.29 | pb_ | tommie: are you sure that the bluetooth address is correct? |
| 16:19.53 | tommie | hm,ARGH |
| 16:19.56 | tommie | Kill me now |
| 16:20.14 | tommie | I copied the MAC from the wrong terminal window, so I got the address of my notebook |
| 16:20.22 | pb_ | ah, that would be a problem |
| 16:20.47 | tommie | pb_: But that would only apply to the obexftp stuff (which works now) and not to the phone |
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| 16:20.58 | fng_sma | good morning |
| 16:21.20 | tommie | pb_: I copied a ordinary file, no message from gpe-bluetooth about it? |
| 16:21.40 | pb_ | that's odd. gpe-bluetooth should pop up a dialog in that case. |
| 16:21.45 | pb_ | what was the name of the file? |
| 16:21.50 | tommie | access.log :-) |
| 16:22.06 | tommie | should I try something else? perhaps an PNG file? |
| 16:22.11 | pb_ | no, that should have been fine |
| 16:22.17 | pb_ | must be a bug in gpe-bluetooth |
| 16:22.26 | tommie | ah, sending yes.png work |
| 16:22.27 | tommie | s |
| 16:22.40 | pb_ | how strange |
| 16:22.50 | tommie | access.log = no message |
| 16:23.15 | tommie | but still no luck from the phone |
| 16:23.21 | tommie | "Bluetooth connection failed" |
| 16:25.30 | pH5 | pb_: there is no code in pkgconfig.bbclass to filter out the -uninstalled.pc files. what about this: http://pastebin.ca/21389 |
| 16:26.18 | pb_ | pH5: can you put it somewhere other than pastebin.ca? I can't access that site. |
| 16:26.30 | pb_ | pastebin.com for example |
| 16:26.34 | tommie | koen|slug: BTW, I just executed your for-loop from above: |
| 16:26.42 | tommie | Unknown service name: SYNCML |
| 16:26.49 | tommie | same for NOKID, PCSUITE and SR1 |
| 16:27.04 | tommie | and it does not fix my problem either :-< |
| 16:27.12 | pH5 | pb_: http://pastebin.com/348494 |
| 16:27.34 | pb_ | yeah, that looks fine to me |
| 16:27.37 | pb_ | please go ahead and check that in |
| 16:27.43 | pH5 | aye |
| 16:28.25 | fng_sma | hi pb_! |
| 16:28.52 | pb_ | hi fng_sma |
| 16:32.18 | tommie | Now I completely fucked up the stuff - I cannot en- or disable the bluetooth device with the task bar icon :-/ |
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| 16:55.34 | tommie | now the ipaq does not boot anymore ARGH |
| 17:03.33 | tommie | Any idea why GPE-DM ceased to work? I just have ablac screen, I can login via serial line just fine |
| 17:05.07 | tommie | Somehow X seems to be broken :-/ |
| 17:15.38 | tommie | Any idea why my X is not starting? |
| 17:16.06 | tommie | it just freezes after complaining about some font pathes |
| 17:16.09 | tommie | nothing special :-/ |
| 17:16.48 | JiniDog | ahm, there is a problem in gpe-login-0.81 |
| 17:17.03 | tommie | hm, I don't know if I upgraded something recently |
| 17:17.03 | JiniDog | #include "gpe-ownerinfo.h" in gpe-login.c should be #include "gpe/gpe-ownerinfo.h" |
| 17:17.23 | JiniDog | someone may want to fix that |
| 17:17.53 | koen|slug | JiniDog: handhelds.org/~bugzilla |
| 17:17.58 | koen|slug | or gpe@handhelds.org |
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| 17:25.17 | tommie | Hm, any idea how to debug this? The Xserver ist not starting properly :-/ |
| 17:25.52 | pH5 | tommie: call it from the command line via ssh or serial console? |
| 17:25.54 | JiniDog | perhaps you describe the problem and give us the error-message? |
| 17:25.58 | tommie | pH5: Doing it |
| 17:26.06 | tommie | pH5: ,--8<- |
| 17:26.06 | tommie | pH5: | 28|19:16 < tommie> it just freezes after complaining about some font pathes |
| 17:26.06 | tommie | pH5: | 28|19:16 < tommie> nothing special :-/ |
| 17:26.06 | tommie | pH5: `-->8- |
| 17:26.42 | JiniDog | complaining about font-pathes is normal, shouldn't be the problem |
| 17:27.01 | JiniDog | Can you kill it with strg+c? |
| 17:27.06 | tommie | I can |
| 17:28.26 | JiniDog | and what makes you think that it freezes? |
| 17:28.37 | tommie | JiniDog: Because nothing happens on the ipaq screen? |
| 17:31.07 | pH5 | tommie: what's the command line you use? |
| 17:31.15 | pH5 | just Xfbdev? |
| 17:31.18 | tommie | Xfbdev -dpi 100 -br -pn -rgba rgb :0 -noreset |
| 17:31.28 | tommie | the same command that is used in /etc/X11/Xinit.d |
| 17:33.41 | tommie | I'm stracing the server process, he does process events from the touchpad, so this has to do with the framebuffer |
| 17:35.22 | pH5 | if you leave that -br out, does it still show a black screen? |
| 17:37.07 | tommie | mom |
| 17:38.04 | fng_sma | pb_: Do you have some information how to do that ssh stuff. The source of nsqld and libnsqlc isn't enough for me... |
| 17:40.20 | tommie | pH5: Still a black screen |
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| 17:44.21 | pH5 | tommie: but you have your frame buffer device set up correctly? does fbset show something? |
| 17:44.34 | pb_ | fng_sma: What sort of information do you require? |
| 17:44.35 | tommie | pH5: I just removed my battery und rebootet the device |
| 17:44.53 | tommie | Now I get the splash image while booting again, so I guess it's fixed by now |
| 17:45.04 | pH5 | tommie: good luck |
| 17:45.12 | tommie | thnk you |
| 17:45.36 | fng_sma | pb_: Do you have a tutorial, or some keywords after which I could search? I couldn't find something useful. |
| 17:46.38 | pb_ | fng_sma: I can't think of anything offhand. What in particular are you having trouble with? |
| 17:48.24 | fng_sma | pb_: I'm missing the overview how it is all connected together. For example: on the serverside I have FILE *ifp, *ofp, and at the client I have the int infd and int outfd. Aren't those completely different things? |
| 17:50.56 | pb_ | fng_sma: No, not really; they're just two different I/O representations. You can convert "int infd" into "FILE *ifp" using fdopen(), and you can convert the other way using fileno(). |
| 17:54.03 | fng_sma | pb_: okay, that makes it a bit clearer to me... |
| 17:54.47 | pb_ | fng_sma: the "int intfd" type of I/O is the raw interface that the kernel provides. The FILE* stuff is just a wrapper on top of that, implemented in the C library. |
| 17:54.58 | fng_sma | pb_: The problem is just, that I'm making real slow progress... |
| 17:56.35 | fng_sma | pb_: Is it possible to catch the whole stdout somewhere and process it later? |
| 17:57.01 | pb_ | I don't understand what you mean by "catch the whole stdout". |
| 17:57.49 | fng_sma | pb_: well send it to somewhere else, read / modify it and then send it to the real stdout. |
| 17:58.09 | fng_sma | pb_: I could do a fprintf the whole time, but isn't there another way? |
| 17:59.23 | tommie | Hm, after rebooting, I was able to transfer one contact from my phone to GPE. But now it just won't acceppt any more connections |
| 18:00.22 | pb_ | fng_sma: ah, right. I guess you need freopen(). |
| 18:01.12 | fng_sma | pb_: so I just do a freopen (ctx->ifp)? |
| 18:01.40 | tommie | Now it's working again |
| 18:01.42 | tommie | strange |
| 18:02.54 | fng_sma | pb_: but isn't freopen only for files? |
| 18:03.19 | pb_ | hm, I guess I still don't quite understand what it is that you want. |
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| 18:04.05 | pb_ | freopen() will let you replace stdout with something else. |
| 18:04.19 | fng_sma | pb_: When I send something I always put the number of characters in the beginning. E.g. I want to send "asdf" I send "4:asdf". |
| 18:05.37 | fng_sma | pb_: And I have the gpesyncd to handle the vcard <-> database conversions (by using libgpevtype) with a shell interface. |
| 18:06.07 | fng_sma | fng_sma: It works like "get vcard 3", or "modify vcard 7 BEGIN:VCARD...". |
| 18:07.32 | pb_ | okay |
| 18:07.54 | fng_sma | pb_: for this I have a function do_command (char *cmd) and I found out, that nothing will be sent until I'm calling fflush and so I thought I might use that. |
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| 18:09.17 | fng_sma | pb_: With that program the whole syncing stuff would be job of the libgpevtype and it would be easier to add new features of libmimedir that not yet exist ;D. |
| 18:11.50 | koen|slug | fng_sma: you're working on making the pda send vcards instead of sql? |
| 18:12.17 | pb_ | fng_sma: right |
| 18:13.59 | fng_sma | koen|slug: yep. |
| 18:14.09 | koen|slug | cool |
| 18:15.12 | fng_sma | koen|slug: I think so too, but there is nothing yet working :-( |
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| 18:20.10 | fng_sma | pb_: I think I'll just put the whole output of a do_command loop into a string and print that out through a function which does all the things I need. |
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| 18:26.07 | pb_ | fng_sma: okay, that sounds like it might be easiest |
| 18:30.45 | koen|slug | pb_: is there a masterplan for switching gpe to dbus > 0.30? |
| 18:31.17 | pb_ | Not that I'm aware of. |
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| 18:37.59 | l1nux | hi |
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| 18:54.29 | l1nux | whats apps need for use sip phone in gpe ? |
| 18:54.40 | l1nux | (voip) |
| 18:55.00 | koen|slug | linphone-hh or minisip |
| 18:55.40 | l1nux | no problem with sound card in ipaq ? |
| 18:57.07 | l1nux | H3650 |
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| 18:59.58 | yOyOeK | hi all :) |
| 19:01.29 | JiniDog | well, other parts of GPE are running on my uclibc-gentoo |
| 19:03.20 | fng_sma | pb_: I just read my first (dummy) vcard over ssh!!! YEEEHAAA!! |
| 19:04.32 | yOyOeK | Is someone hire good in (perl regular ) |
| 19:05.28 | fng_sma | yOyOeK: I don't know if I'm good, but I use them frequently. |
| 19:07.14 | yOyOeK | fng_sma: I need to make something like yyy. All chars end sands bi fore las "-" |
| 19:07.50 | yOyOeK | I don't able to explain in English :/ |
| 19:08.33 | fng_sma | yOyOeK: C'mon don't give up so fast! Try it again! |
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| 19:08.58 | mimecar | hi |
| 19:09.02 | fng_sma | hi mimecar |
| 19:09.08 | mimecar | hey fng_sma |
| 19:09.56 | yOyOeK | example input will by ala-ma-kota-0.19 and the perl regular shod give my ala-ma-kota |
| 19:10.06 | fng_sma | mimecar: how is the weather? Still good? |
| 19:10.12 | mimecar | yes |
| 19:10.15 | mimecar | sun and hot |
| 19:10.28 | mimecar | have you check weather prevision ? |
| 19:11.32 | fng_sma | yOyOeK: just try it with $yourstring =~ s/\-(\d+.?)*//; |
| 19:12.00 | yOyOeK | fng_sma: ok now not perl only bash :) |
| 19:12.25 | mimecar | best python, perl sucks :p |
| 19:13.09 | fng_sma | yOyOeK: erm, well uhm... I don't know thos languages that good. I would perhaps do it with perl -e "..." |
| 19:13.52 | yOyOeK | fng_sma: ok I will try to translate it to bash :) |
| 19:13.57 | krokas_ | A question. Does anyone know if gtk+ use float/double type or it doesn't use? |
| 19:14.02 | fng_sma | mimecar: I haven't checked the weather prevision, yet. It was just today really good weather up here and so I was afraid, all your good weather is leaving... |
| 19:14.47 | mimecar | weather will be better than gremany |
| 19:15.03 | fng_sma | mimecar: :-) |
| 19:16.42 | yOyOeK | I will henge my self :// |
| 19:16.42 | mimecar | I'm installing opie and gpe on zaurus |
| 19:17.11 | mimecar | full system on one file is cool :) |
| 19:17.55 | mimecar | I love linux |
| 19:18.01 | fng_sma | yOyOeK: I guess you need to use sed |
| 19:20.20 | krokas_ | And what about X11? |
| 19:27.54 | yOyOeK | sii a alll |
| 19:36.06 | koen|slug | krokas_: yes gtk uses floats |
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| 20:16.59 | pb_ | fng_sma: awesome! |
| 20:29.24 | Philippe | re |
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| 20:29.52 | koen|slug | hey Philippe |
| 20:30.47 | mimecar | hey Philippe and koen|slug |
| 20:31.14 | Philippe | hello koen|slug , mimecar |
| 20:32.15 | koen|slug | hey mimecar |
| 20:33.58 | koen|slug | Philippe: how was bastogne? |
| 20:35.45 | Philippe | good. Really nice weather! And we went on to Houffalize, Stoumont, La Gleize and Coo |
| 20:36.26 | Philippe | And a small stop in Ciney :-) |
| 20:37.51 | mimecar | koen|slug: I'm installing some programs of the feed you post on OE |
| 20:37.57 | mimecar | some suggested program ? |
| 20:38.06 | koen|slug | gpe-mini-browser |
| 20:38.23 | mimecar | ok |
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| 20:38.55 | koen|slug | hey florian |
| 20:38.57 | mimecar | hey florian |
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| 20:39.05 | koen|slug | florian: you might want to restart cvstrac |
| 20:39.07 | mimecar | koen|slug: is faster than me :( |
| 20:39.12 | mimecar | xDD |
| 20:39.37 | florian | hi all |
| 20:39.49 | florian | koen|slug: 20 seconds |
| 20:40.13 | Philippe | hey florian |
| 20:40.43 | Philippe | IS there some special conversion happening with ....desktop.in files? |
| 20:41.15 | Philippe | Gpe-calendar fails to show up on the desktop because the _ of the translateable string mess up. If I remove them it shows up |
| 20:41.16 | florian | koen|slug: here it is... |
| 20:41.52 | koen|slug | cool |
| 20:43.09 | florian | Philippe: hmm yes, that might be a bug in the autotools stuff... |
| 20:43.22 | koen|slug | Philippe: do you have any new features for gpe-mini-browser we can test? |
| 20:44.09 | Philippe | koen|slug, sorry I have been busy the whole saturday packing and stuff. And today I went away so I did not get round doing stuff |
| 20:44.48 | mimecar | xDDD |
| 20:45.15 | Philippe | and docs are unexistant... |
| 20:46.17 | mimecar | do PyGTK run on gpe ? |
| 20:46.53 | florian | Philippe: There is a GtkTreeView howto... |
| 20:47.12 | florian | mimecar: I guess so... if you have enought space for it. |
| 20:47.19 | koen|slug | mimecar: I've run pygtk and pygnome with some patching |
| 20:47.23 | JiniDog | hmm, gpe-conf runs quite good :) |
| 20:47.26 | koen|slug | pygtk should work out of the box |
| 20:47.41 | mimecar | florian: no space problems (400 MB free) |
| 20:48.01 | JiniDog | what reasons might be that changing the theme is no working properly for most themes (and the window-decoration is not changed by any theme) |
| 20:48.12 | mimecar | koen|slug: I woild like develop some program with pygtk and I would like run it on windows, linux and zaurus |
| 20:48.33 | koen|slug | mimecar: ipkg install python-pygtk2 |
| 20:48.38 | Philippe | florian, where? I couldn't find it. |
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| 20:48.48 | mimecar | koen|slug: i tested pygtk |
| 20:48.55 | mimecar | I will try that name |
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| 20:50.41 | mimecar | koen|slug: gpe-mini browser looks cool |
| 20:50.52 | koen|slug | it is cool |
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| 20:51.01 | mimecar | it loads faster than minimo |
| 20:51.14 | koen|slug | it's 4 times smaller as minimo :) |
| 20:51.38 | mimecar | a zoom option would be great |
| 20:51.42 | Philippe | I also finished a gpe-2.7 test image. AFAIK there are tree apparent bugs. Minilite is useless. (I could not get another kernel than hh37.1 running so it might still be a kernel issue), gpe-calendar icon not showing up (might be easy to fix) The clock is not really working well and shift on the taskbar. |
| 20:52.09 | florian | Philippe: let me check... |
| 20:52.52 | koen|slug | mimecar: it has zoom options, but the buttons aren't on the toolbar for qvga screens |
| 20:52.53 | Philippe | mimecar, there is a zoom function (text only) for bigger screens. I hope to be able to cram in an extra button with a slider type thing for zooming on small screens. (I am working on the bookmarks now but I got a bit stuck on that) |
| 20:53.12 | mimecar | ok |
| 20:53.28 | mimecar | it looks ipkg has install new version of some packages |
| 20:54.03 | bazik | is there a binary version of gpsdrive 2.10 available where the pdamode is fixed? |
| 20:54.24 | koen|slug | bazik: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/drupal/?q=ipkgfind&action=details&pnm=gpsdrive |
| 20:54.32 | koen|slug | for hardfloat systems |
| 20:54.38 | mimecar | can gnome-keyring run on zaurus ? |
| 20:54.47 | mimecar | I need some extra packages I haven't |
| 20:55.05 | bazik | koen|slug: oh sweetness... i only knew about ipkgfind.handhelds.org :) |
| 20:55.07 | bazik | koen|slug: thx |
| 20:55.32 | koen|slug | it's my super-duper unstable feed |
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| 20:57.36 | mimecar | koen|slug: you have interesting programs on feed |
| 20:58.01 | florian | Philippe: In Makefile.am, @INTLTOOL_DESKTOP_RULE@ should take care about this. |
| 21:02.32 | Philippe | florian, there is such a rule but it doesn't seem to care about it. |
| 21:08.30 | florian | Philippe: the .deskto looks like the .desktop.in? |
| 21:09.23 | Philippe | florian, they are identical |
| 21:10.45 | mimecar | koen|slug: yo have very updated packages on the feed |
| 21:10.55 | mimecar | I have old versions :)= |
| 21:11.24 | koen|slug | it's what's was in OE at the time |
| 21:11.52 | mimecar | there are not the same version with openzaurus and your |
| 21:12.08 | koen|slug | OE, not OZ |
| 21:12.09 | mimecar | I have update pim apps with new version (and I had update full system) |
| 21:12.18 | mimecar | ok |
| 21:14.20 | bazik | another q: is there a port of the ettercap-gtk gui available? |
| 21:15.06 | bazik | i usually dont like guis, but on my ipaq i prefer em over console ;) |
| 21:15.53 | mimecar | bazik: console is cool |
| 21:15.59 | mimecar | you can do many things |
| 21:16.25 | florian | Philippe: hmm... that's strange indeed. |
| 21:16.51 | bazik | mimecar: i know, but its not that userfriendly to use console with an onscreenkeyboard ;) |
| 21:17.05 | mimecar | yes, but I have a hardware keyboard |
| 21:17.06 | bazik | and i cant use my microkeyboard while having the expansion jacket and gps attached :/ |
| 21:17.19 | mimecar | i have a zaurus |
| 21:17.31 | bazik | got an ipaq 3850 :) |
| 21:17.42 | bazik | had an zaurus when it came out... but sold it after a few months |
| 21:18.22 | mimecar | bazik: ipaq has better hardware |
| 21:18.26 | mimecar | but moneys... |
| 21:19.03 | Philippe | the 3850 is quite good... And very well supported. Which is the main thing. |
| 21:20.24 | mimecar | gpe has die |
| 21:21.29 | mimecar | zaurus doesn't like update packages |
| 21:21.38 | bazik | Philippe: thats why i bought it |
| 21:21.50 | bazik | although i looked for an 3870 because of the bluetooth (for gps) |
| 21:21.59 | bazik | but the serial gps device i got works well too |
| 21:22.41 | Philippe | which one did you get? (gps) I tried to find one but gave up. Only bleutooth stuff around here |
| 21:25.26 | mimecar | is acer n35 supported ? |
| 21:25.52 | bazik | Philippe: i see you are from belgium... i got it from a german seller. its called 'ln-n-102', a 16 channel gps device with a car adapter. so it loads your ipaq's battery too |
| 21:26.29 | Philippe | bazik :sounds great :-) |
| 21:26.30 | bazik | he sells em on ebay.de (got the kit there for 70 EUR), or on his homepage for 89 EUR http://www.landolt.de/info/lc-gps_n102.htm |
| 21:26.35 | koen|slug | mimecar: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SupportedHandheldSummary |
| 21:27.10 | mimecar | it doesn't work |
| 21:27.53 | fng_sma | Can someone help me making a struct to work? |
| 21:28.11 | mimecar | what's your problem ? |
| 21:28.25 | bazik | Philippe: if you cant find a similar model in .be, we might do a deal and i could ship one to you if you paypal me the cash for buying & shipping (i am a gentoo developer, trust me :p ) |
| 21:28.43 | mimecar | xDDD |
| 21:28.56 | Philippe | ok, I'll keep it in mind. |
| 21:29.04 | fng_sma | mimecar: I have this (http://pastebin.com/348686) struct in a file called gpesyncd.h |
| 21:29.40 | bazik | xqt-ettercap_NG-0.7.0_rc1-1_arm.ipk <- sweetness |
| 21:29.42 | florian | koen|slug: Good idea about the location based profiles... but lat's make the basic stuff work first :-) |
| 21:29.50 | mimecar | puff |
| 21:29.56 | mimecar | C is horrible |
| 21:30.05 | koen|slug | florian: :) |
| 21:30.06 | fng_sma | mimecar: but when I try to use it in another file (which looks like this: http://pastebin.com/348687) it won't let me use it. |
| 21:30.17 | fng_sma | mimecar: only sometimes. |
| 21:30.25 | mimecar | do you include declaration ? |
| 21:30.31 | koen|slug | florian: the people at geo-informatics think lbs is the best thing since sliced bread |
| 21:31.15 | fng_sma | mimecar: even with a #include "gpesyncd.h" it doesn't work. |
| 21:31.16 | florian | mimecar: you get used to it :-) |
| 21:31.29 | koen|slug | florian: it is a thing to keep in mind when designing stuff |
| 21:31.37 | mimecar | I must use C on my work |
| 21:31.46 | florian | koen|slug: right |
| 21:31.54 | mimecar | florian: but I want develop with python and gtk |
| 21:31.55 | fng_sma | Argh! Just like always... I just found the solution. |
| 21:31.55 | bazik | koen|slug: gpsdrive pre3 works great :) |
| 21:31.59 | florian | mimecar: C is good for you :-) |
| 21:32.02 | bazik | koen|slug: i love your unstable feed ;P |
| 21:32.36 | mimecar | I wish muy program run fast and I don't need recode in C |
| 21:32.45 | florian | koen|slug: Did you try the latest gpe-buttonbox code? |
| 21:33.20 | fng_sma | mimecar: you'll get used to it :-) And you'll start to like it. |
| 21:33.37 | mimecar | fng_sma: i find more elegan python than c |
| 21:34.27 | mimecar | develop a multiplatform program is easier with python than C |
| 21:35.02 | florian | mimecar: breaking larger projects is easier with python... |
| 21:35.24 | koen|slug | florian: building it now |
| 21:35.50 | mimecar | florian: my project is composed by hardware and software |
| 21:36.09 | mimecar | I think python is a good method to build a multiplatform app |
| 21:36.24 | bazik | gpe-aerial needs gpsd support ;) |
| 21:36.31 | florian | mimecar: One more reason to prefer C... |
| 21:36.37 | florian | bazik: right :-) |
| 21:36.37 | mimecar | why ? |
| 21:36.58 | florian | mimecar: Good written C code is perfectly portable... |
| 21:37.04 | koen|slug | bazik: the prismstumbler backend already has gpsd support |
| 21:37.12 | bazik | koen|slug: i know |
| 21:37.16 | mimecar | yes, but i down't want platform problems |
| 21:37.38 | bazik | koen|slug: but i'm using kismet |
| 21:37.47 | bazik | (which works fine with gps too) |
| 21:37.52 | bazik | but gpe-aerial is a nice toy |
| 21:38.29 | koen|slug | florian: did you see http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=269 ? |
| 21:38.32 | bazik | was one more reason for me not to go back to opie ;) |
| 21:38.33 | florian | mimecar: As long as you don't do bad things with C (what you definitely can) you won't run into problems... |
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| 21:38.50 | florian | bazik: good to hear :-) |
| 21:39.00 | bazik | hehe |
| 21:39.01 | mimecar | florian: one part of the project needs c |
| 21:39.14 | florian | As soon as i have time i'm going to improve it a little bit :-) |
| 21:39.24 | mimecar | but i don't want use more time developing |
| 21:40.16 | florian | koen|slug: yes.. that sounds like a very good idea. |
| 21:41.08 | koen|slug | florian: your last respone to the dbus api change was something like "oh dear" :) |
| 21:41.20 | mimecar | florian: do you know a good C manual for multiplatform |
| 21:41.27 | mimecar | i wull use gtk toolkit |
| 21:42.11 | bazik | florian: opie is nice as a pocketpc replacement, but using qpe makes me feel more like using linux on my ipaq... and thats a big positive... although they are no major differences, the interface is much nicer and the default configuration tools are very well made |
| 21:42.30 | florian | koen|slug: yes... that's nasty to move to a new API. |
| 21:43.07 | florian | mimecar: not offhand, but i don't think there are many C manuals around teaching you not portable code. |
| 21:44.01 | florian | bazik: heh... be careful not to mix up GPE and QPE :-) |
| 21:44.18 | bazik | but i dont want to start a flamewar now, i bet there are enough gnome/kde like discussions about gpe/opie |
| 21:44.29 | bazik | florian: true, the keys are that close together :) |
| 21:44.37 | florian | bazik: indeed... |
| 21:44.43 | koen|slug | florian: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.20737.png |
| 21:45.25 | koen|slug | no your not |
| 21:45.30 | koen|slug | it only has 32MB |
| 21:45.34 | florian | koen|slug: configure the buttons to be a little bit smaller. |
| 21:45.38 | koen|slug | a one way trip to swap city |
| 21:45.44 | bazik | koen|slug: heh |
| 21:46.06 | mimecar | bazik: some thinks are better on gnome than kde |
| 21:46.08 | mimecar | and viceversa |
| 21:46.25 | bazik | mimecar: i use fluxbox :P |
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| 21:46.34 | bazik | mimecar: so i never took part on this kind of discussions |
| 21:46.48 | bazik | i was more in the qt/gtk discussions and i like gtk alot :P |
| 21:46.49 | mimecar | florian: what would be faster, C or Python ? |
| 21:47.06 | bazik | i even wrote linux-assembler code to use gtk :) |
| 21:47.21 | mimecar | it terms of time period |
| 21:47.32 | mimecar | bazik: I use gtk writting in binary |
| 21:47.39 | mimecar | 101010101010 -> load window |
| 21:49.28 | bazik | mimecar: you are kidding me ;P |
| 21:49.49 | bazik | i am serious about that: http://flatassembler.net/examples/gtk-examples.tar.gz |
| 21:49.51 | mimecar | I connect / disconncect processor cables |
| 21:50.03 | bazik | i got kicked off #gtk for posting that there back in the days... :) |
| 21:50.12 | mimecar | xDDD |
| 21:51.05 | mimecar | I'm writing project structure now |
| 21:51.12 | mimecar | and now it's the language decision |
| 21:51.21 | mimecar | mixture of C and Python or pure C |
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| 21:53.42 | koen|slug | florian: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.21367.png |
| 21:54.36 | mimecar | koen|slug: what's that program similar to taskbar ? |
| 21:54.43 | mimecar | on screenshot |
| 21:54.45 | koen|slug | gpe-buttonbox |
| 21:55.05 | mimecar | no |
| 21:55.13 | Philippe | koen|slug, you should use the new nice icon for the screen rotate... |
| 21:55.17 | mimecar | the task bar ? |
| 21:55.33 | koen|slug | Philippe: where is that icon? |
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| 21:57.08 | Philippe | florian put it in... |
| 21:57.41 | koen|slug | which package? |
| 21:58.30 | Philippe | well I wish I knew. It happens to be in my latest images... |
| 21:59.31 | koen|slug | matchbox-panel-hacks |
| 21:59.53 | mimecar | koen|slug: I think I have that package installed |
| 22:00.33 | Philippe | ./matchbox-panel-hacks-0.3-1-r2/install/matchbox-panel-hacks/usr/share/pixmaps/xrandr.png |
| 22:00.45 | Philippe | koen oh I see you found it :-) |
| 22:05.12 | koen|slug | Philippe: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.23200.png |
| 22:08.53 | Philippe | koen|slug, looks much cleaner :-) |
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| 22:09.18 | koen|slug | it does indeed |
| 22:12.40 | mimecar | coo I can run transparent panels :) |
| 22:13.30 | mimecar | with matchbox |
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| 22:14.51 | florian | ooops |
| 22:14.52 | koen|slug | hey florian |
| 22:15.01 | koen|slug | florian: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.21367.png |
| 22:15.22 | florian | Philippe: I found the bug and fixed it... |
| 22:15.50 | florian | koen|slug: uh! very nice... |
| 22:17.01 | florian | Philippe: wait a minute... |
| 22:21.05 | florian | Philippe: Its in... for some strange it seems to be necessary to create *.desktop.in using autoconf and process these with automake. All other combinations don't work. |
| 22:22.43 | Philippe | hmm, I guessed something like that looking at gpe-contacts. But I missed the change in configure.ac |
| 22:23.59 | Philippe | florian, do we need to do a new release of gpe-calendar now? (as this was a quite important bug). |
| 22:24.43 | florian | Philippe: It took me a while... not that there would be a difference between the .in.in and the .in... It is defintely not sufficient to leave the files alone configure.ac and process the .in in Makefile :-( |
| 22:24.54 | florian | Philippe: hmm.. yes, that would be good. |
| 22:25.14 | Philippe | Well one less thing to fix :-) |
| 22:26.22 | florian | ~lart autotools |
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| 22:30.32 | mimecar | Philippe: new features ? |
| 22:32.40 | florian | mimecar: no... working .desktop files. |
| 22:32.45 | mimecar | ok |
| 22:32.58 | mimecar | how can I change matchbox configuration ? |
| 22:33.11 | mimecar | I get a transparent panel, but I can launch it after login |
| 22:33.47 | fng_sma | does someone know how to ignore CaSE in sql? |
| 22:35.08 | bazik | fng_sma: use upper() / lower() |
| 22:35.51 | fng_sma | bazik: thx. Ten points for you! |
| 22:36.04 | florian | pb_: Hmm.. time for a new release? :-) http://handhelds.org/scap/port.21367.png |
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| 22:36.46 | bazik | fng_sma: you can thank me over my paypal address ;) |
| 22:37.42 | fng_sma | bazik: Well, you earn money only with at least 13198109238122.111 points. But I will inform you, if you reached it ;-) |
| 22:37.55 | florian | Philippe: found another bug |
| 22:38.09 | Philippe | florian, in gpe-calendar? |
| 22:38.35 | florian | Philippe: yes |
| 22:38.49 | mimecar | Philippe: I have another bug |
| 22:39.19 | Philippe | Oh well I did not tag it yet. |
| 22:40.00 | mimecar | Philippe: week view, scroll down (scrollbar at botton) |
| 22:40.03 | mimecar | minimize |
| 22:40.06 | florian | Philippe: It is a good idea to run "make distcheck" before releasing... |
| 22:40.23 | mimecar | and restaure gpe-calendar, icon will be hide |
| 22:41.56 | bazik | fng_sma: i work on it ;) |
| 22:43.51 | Philippe | mimecar, what do you mean by minimize and which icon disappears? |
| 22:44.02 | mimecar | icons on toolbar |
| 22:44.27 | mimecar | on week view, move scrollbar to botton |
| 22:44.48 | mimecar | and minimize (use desktop link on gpe menu) |
| 22:45.04 | florian | Philippe: I could rewrite the toolbar to use the new api in some minutes... :-) |
| 22:45.47 | mimecar | restaure calendar (you minimize before) |
| 22:45.47 | bazik | the ipaq is missing a 'turbo' button... like my old 486 here |
| 22:45.47 | Philippe | mimecar, I cannot reproduce what you see.... |
| 22:45.55 | mimecar | wait, I will try make a screenshot |
| 22:46.55 | mimecar | Philippe: http://handhelds.org/scap/tozaurus.cgi?fn=port.26162.png |
| 22:48.03 | Philippe | florian, feel free to do so :-) |
| 22:48.29 | koen|slug | florian: iirc eggtoolbar will be in gtk soon (project ridley) |
| 22:48.41 | florian | Philippe: okay... wait some minutes. |
| 22:48.54 | Philippe | mimecar, I do believe you you know :-) And indeed the screenshot shows what I thought you meant. |
| 22:49.19 | mimecar | I try write the correct phrase, but my english has some limitations |
| 22:49.20 | Philippe | I just cannot get gpe-calendar to display the same behaviour on my Ipaq |
| 22:49.24 | florian | koen|slug: that might be useful... i just hope they don't bloat gtk too much pulling in anything. |
| 22:50.00 | koen|slug | we all love 10MB libs that do every thing |
| 22:50.08 | koen|slug | *cough* qt *cough* |
| 22:50.10 | Philippe | florian, don't hurry on it. I will postpone it until tomorrow. I need to put the right version in configure.ac too etc... |
| 22:50.57 | florian | Philippe: okay |
| 22:50.58 | koen|slug | 'nnight all |
| 22:51.13 | florian | koen|slug: yeah... exactly |
| 22:51.19 | florian | koen|slug: good night |
| 22:52.41 | Philippe | night koen |
| 22:54.00 | mimecar | good night |
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| 22:57.05 | florian | Philippe: good night |
| 22:57.12 | fng_sma | bye Philippe |
| 22:57.19 | florian | mickey|zzZZzz: good night |
| 22:57.23 | fng_sma | 'nigh koen|slug |
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| 23:00.18 | fng_sma | Wahooooo!!! I can get vcards over ssh with my gpesyncd!!! |
| 23:02.38 | florian | fng_sma: rock! |
| 23:03.03 | fng_sma | And I think in about 10 Minutes vevent and vtodo will work too! |
| 23:03.35 | fng_sma | Maybe there is still a chance to get the syncing working till wednesday. |
| 23:06.14 | bazik | and i was curious why this thing is such slow |
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| 23:11.34 | fng_sma | okay I'm done with the exportation. Now I need the importation of the v* stuff... |
| 23:11.47 | fng_sma | Sometimes I love programming :-) |
| 23:13.55 | florian | fng_sma: That sounds good! |
| 23:15.27 | fng_sma | florian: And I think the best thing is, that all the conversion is made on the pda. We only need to tweak libgpevtype, no changes needed on the pc side. |
| 23:22.53 | florian | fng_sma: yes right |
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