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| 00:35.58 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 00:40.49 | florian | moray: I found a way to work around that mimedir API problem in gpe-contacts. How long would it take to add a new version to Debian? |
| 00:42.07 | florian | good night |
| 01:05.16 | yOyOeK | sii ja all |
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| 09:12.17 | Philippe | morning all |
| 09:12.55 | _law_ | Philippe: morning |
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| 09:21.18 | yOyOeK | hi all |
| 09:21.59 | Philippe | hey yOyOeK |
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| 09:27.15 | yOyOeK | Let the fight begin human vs. sources :) |
| 09:42.00 | yOyOeK | Philippe: you have some free time? |
| 09:42.11 | Philippe | well yes. |
| 09:42.34 | yOyOeK | You use gpe/opie? |
| 09:42.45 | Philippe | yOyOeK, yes I use gpe :-) |
| 09:42.51 | Philippe | And have tried opie in the past |
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| 09:44.03 | yOyOeK | You think it while by good idea to release something like editor for icons (links) on gpe desktop and menu? |
| 09:44.57 | Philippe | yOyOeK, you mean a sort of editor which enables you to make "shortcuts" to start applications? |
| 09:45.24 | yOyOeK | Philippe: Yes! |
| 09:45.48 | yOyOeK | Philippe: Sorry form my English |
| 09:46.02 | Philippe | Well from a user perspective that is where I would put something like that. Or in the configuration panel. |
| 09:46.26 | Philippe | thinking of it, the configuration panel might be better. |
| 09:47.29 | Philippe | If you have a small screen it will give you more space to put in application shortcuts. |
| 09:48.23 | yOyOeK | my kungfu in gtk is to week to rebuild gpe panel tools |
| 09:49.42 | yOyOeK | week(?) = not so strong |
| 09:50.41 | Philippe | yOyOeK, then it would be weak :-) |
| 09:51.15 | yOyOeK | one more time sorry for my English |
| 09:51.23 | Philippe | which panel tools are causing you problems |
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| 09:51.37 | Philippe | yOyOeK, no problem. I had to learn English once too :-) |
| 09:51.43 | reenoo | morning |
| 09:52.07 | Philippe | morning reenoo |
| 09:52.47 | reenoo | hey Philippe |
| 09:53.42 | yOyOeK | Philippe: there is a panel manager to change place, sequence of icons on panel if I while put there more more tab :) |
| 09:55.57 | yOyOeK | :/ it is from matchbox:/ |
| 09:56.18 | Philippe | Aha. That is why I cannot find it in GPE |
| 09:56.45 | Philippe | Didn't notice that thing before |
| 09:57.08 | yOyOeK | better solution while by stand alone program |
| 09:57.49 | Philippe | Well I think an extra tab there would be good. (the name should maybe change then) A good idea anyway. |
| 09:58.01 | yOyOeK | my softwares often crash with no reason . |
| 09:58.08 | Philippe | You should talk to mallum about that. He does matchbox. |
| 09:58.20 | Philippe | yOyOeK, It always crashes for a reason :-) |
| 09:58.35 | yOyOeK | :] |
| 09:58.45 | Philippe | try to run it from a console/xterm and it will probabely give you an error message like segmentation fault |
| 10:00.47 | yOyOeK | Yea I know :) writing in clean C is difficult to my. On my arch (x86_64) a figuration this arch is not so sensitive for segmentation fault like x86 or arm |
| 10:01.44 | yOyOeK | on my PC app work great on x86 even don't start ore crash after first click |
| 10:03.08 | Philippe | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.16 | yOyOeK | Philippe: for debug I use kdbg |
| 10:04.28 | yOyOeK | ore ddd |
| 10:04.57 | Philippe | yOyOeK, oh that should do the trick. (they are frontends for gdb) |
| 10:05.08 | Philippe | And you cannot find out why it crashes? |
| 10:05.43 | yOyOeK | example. Last software crash only on ipaq :) why? |
| 10:06.38 | Philippe | printf() is your friend there, or gdbserver |
| 10:06.50 | yOyOeK | I don't have any debugger to arm (on gpe). |
| 10:07.09 | Philippe | there should be one you can install |
| 10:07.15 | yOyOeK | I know ! :) printf is a power full func :)) |
| 10:09.45 | yOyOeK | Philippe: last my software contains from 654KB of sources :) on that size it start do by difficult to figuraout with command (from printf) is from what part of code :) |
| 10:10.55 | Philippe | 654Kb. How many lines of code is that for a panel !? |
| 10:11.55 | yOyOeK | Philippe: I don't understand question |
| 10:12.22 | Philippe | I mean that it is lot of code for just adding a tab window to the existing app. |
| 10:12.35 | Philippe | Do you use OE to build your packages? |
| 10:13.29 | Philippe | in my OE dir I see this : /home/fille/oe/openembedded/packages/gdb |
| 10:13.49 | yOyOeK | Philippe: 654KB it whose size of my last app. For a tab ( add linker ) i don't know 10 KB :) or less |
| 10:14.01 | Philippe | so bitbake gdb should make you an ipk that you can install on your ipaq. |
| 10:14.06 | Philippe | yOyOeK, Ah, ok:-) |
| 10:14.52 | yOyOeK | ok break cigar et time and more coffee |
| 10:16.45 | Philippe | :-) |
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| 10:33.15 | reenoo | morning pb_ |
| 10:33.40 | pb_ | hi reenoo |
| 10:33.49 | pb_ | ibot, botmail for florian: sounds like a fine idea to me |
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| 10:49.44 | yOyOeK | Philippe: you have some free time more ? |
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| 10:52.02 | Philippe | yOyOeK, ask away |
| 10:52.34 | yOyOeK | Philippe: you break by a OE bb files? |
| 10:53.06 | Philippe | yOyOeK, what do you mean? |
| 10:53.33 | yOyOeK | Philippe: Are you able to make your own ? |
| 10:54.10 | Philippe | yes you can make your own bb files. It is not that hard. |
| 10:55.15 | eJumbo | if i want to make a .bb file. then i need to creates some patches also ? |
| 10:55.32 | eJumbo | for make files ? |
| 10:55.47 | eJumbo | so that they contain the appropriate PATHS |
| 10:55.51 | yOyOeK | I have one grate software (lndir)it is not on ipk it is a single *.c file |
| 10:56.54 | Philippe | yOyOeK, an ipk is an archive that contains your program and extra info after everything is build |
| 10:57.24 | yOyOeK | about ipk i know that |
| 10:57.45 | Philippe | eJumbo, normally you should not I think. Depending on how much hard-coded stuff you put in. |
| 10:58.06 | yOyOeK | but I while d like to make a first bb file to make it using OE and build a ipk file |
| 10:58.33 | Philippe | yOyOeK, ok. Let's see if I can find a decent example to help you. |
| 10:59.19 | yOyOeK | ok I while by glade |
| 10:59.56 | eJumbo | But, always i find it hard to write .bb files. is there any HOWTO's avl. |
| 11:02.02 | Philippe | eJumbo, look here http://bitbake.berlios.de/manual/ and ask specific questions in #oe. people there might help you better |
| 11:03.41 | yOyOeK | I'm afraid them |
| 11:04.02 | Philippe | yOyOeK, sorry I cannot find a decent example. All the ones I was thinking about use autotool packages |
| 11:05.06 | yOyOeK | they while immediately send my to wiki. I bin dear :/ |
| 11:05.33 | Philippe | yOyOeK, I have been there you mean :-) |
| 11:05.54 | yOyOeK | philippe: yes |
| 11:06.00 | Philippe | and now I got that you mean will with while :-) |
| 11:06.21 | yOyOeK | what a different ? |
| 11:07.14 | yOyOeK | If I speak with someone he while underspend my worser in writing |
| 11:08.04 | JustinP | eJumbo: as for altering makefiles, you only need to in some cases. Programs with "correct" makefiles and such build perfectly |
| 11:09.29 | Philippe | will is like going to do something, while == during (like reading while travelling by train. == when you are going from Brussels to Krakow by train you spend the time by reading a book) |
| 11:09.37 | yOyOeK | I found something :) |
| 11:10.03 | eJumbo | JustinP: have u compile vlc |
| 11:10.19 | eJumbo | it does not compile on my system |
| 11:10.47 | JustinP | eJumbo: no, I haven't |
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| 11:13.49 | Philippe | yOyOeK, I found an example bb file. look at the gpe-plucker bb. |
| 11:14.24 | yOyOeK | ok I while chk |
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| 11:15.28 | Philippe | yOyOeK, WILL check! :-) |
| 11:15.53 | yOyOeK | Philippe: will ok I will chk |
| 11:16.33 | Philippe | yOyOeK, Good ! :-) |
| 11:16.52 | Georgy | good morning people |
| 11:17.07 | Philippe | morning Georgy |
| 11:17.07 | Georgy | ok...should rather say good noon ;) |
| 11:17.43 | Philippe | ~ITC |
| 11:27.19 | yOyOeK | God bless coffee express :) |
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| 11:57.43 | reenoo | doh |
| 11:57.58 | reenoo | turns out _all_ alsa-driver configure checks fail |
| 11:58.08 | reenoo | #error Kernel only header included in userspace |
| 12:00.24 | pb_ | doh |
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| 12:03.32 | reenoo | happen to know how to work around that? |
| 12:10.44 | pb_ | what's the header it complains about? |
| 12:12.20 | reenoo | http://pastebin.com/341550 |
| 12:12.47 | reenoo | ignore the -DCONFIG_HAVE_OLD_REQUEST_MODULE. I was playing with CFLAGS |
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| 12:27.08 | pb_ | ah, I see, there are a couple of them |
| 12:27.21 | pb_ | I guess you'll have to examine the configure script to find out what it's doing with those. |
| 12:34.12 | reenoo | what do you mean by that? I don't think there's a way around including in-kernel headers |
| 12:34.23 | reenoo | these are kernel modules after all |
| 12:34.54 | pb_ | oh, right, so they are. in that case, the problem is that it's using the wrong set of headers. |
| 12:35.11 | pb_ | it's probably lost -I${STAGING_KERNEL_INCLUDES} (or whatever the variable is called) from CFLAGS. |
| 12:40.46 | reenoo | CFLAGS =+ "-I${STAGING_KERNEL_DIR}/include" |
| 12:40.51 | reenoo | fixes the problem |
| 12:42.50 | pb_ | cool |
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| 12:48.45 | eJumbo | i am trying to compile mpd for OSK and got a compilation error. Please see http://pastebin.ca/20529 |
| 12:53.33 | reenoo | nice. the package contains the same modules as the old one in familiar 0.7.x now |
| 12:57.32 | pb_ | rock |
| 12:57.51 | reenoo | hehe |
| 12:59.10 | reenoo | to be fair. I have to agree with mickeyl. apart from being dead slow and a pain to build it works reasonably well |
| 13:00.37 | pb_ | yeah |
| 13:00.44 | pb_ | is the "multiple heads" thing under control these days? |
| 13:01.52 | reenoo | you can't avoid it. people simply have to be careful about pulling right before they push |
| 13:02.43 | reenoo | and, well, since koen is offline atm he can't mess things up with his stupid second server either |
| 13:03.31 | reenoo | it's nice to have a backup server. but he's using it as his upstream repo |
| 13:03.44 | pb_ | right, I guess multiple heads are an occupational hazard if you have people pushing stuff to multiple independent servers in a random way |
| 13:04.02 | reenoo | exactly |
| 13:04.15 | reenoo | that's also what caused the merging blowup |
| 13:05.02 | reenoo | in other news. there's one catch with how monotone handles merges |
| 13:05.15 | reenoo | all files appear as modified |
| 13:05.23 | reenoo | so, it's basically one giant diff |
| 13:07.42 | pb_ | ah |
| 13:08.07 | reenoo | the nslu-linux people are rather unhappy about that |
| 13:08.23 | reenoo | apparently you can silently revert/break stuff that way |
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| 13:15.42 | reenoo | hmm.. does the location of the modules in /lib matter? |
| 13:16.12 | reenoo | in /lib/modules/<kernel>/ that is |
| 13:19.55 | pb_ | I don't think so |
| 13:20.44 | reenoo | ok. it's not just me then :) |
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| 13:25.01 | reenoo | bleh. still raining outside |
| 13:25.29 | reenoo | no kite festival it seems :/ |
| 13:30.10 | eJumbo | sometimes configure script when it creates a makefile :libs at always looked at /usr/lib includes at /usr/include and it tries to place the binaries at /usr/bin. |
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| 13:30.37 | eJumbo | does anyone know how to figure out how to identify and solve this problem. i am cross compiling for arm |
| 13:31.33 | eJumbo | i dont know if the right patches r not been applied (or created). or the problem is specific to my system. |
| 13:31.49 | eJumbo | packages are supposed to work ?. isnt it |
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| 14:34.35 | florian | hi all |
| 14:34.49 | florian | pb_: I just found a bug :-) |
| 14:34.59 | pb_ | florian: aha |
| 14:36.28 | reenoo | moin florian |
| 14:37.11 | reenoo | speaking of bugs. a grasshopper jumped right onto my keyboard last night |
| 14:38.28 | reenoo | was a bit tricky to catch >:) |
| 14:38.33 | florian | reenoo: :-) |
| 14:39.22 | reenoo | fixed most bugs in the alsa-driver .bb too |
| 14:39.34 | reenoo | software bugs ;) |
| 14:53.42 | __law__ | florian, i try to setup an gpe-devel-toolchain which sdk should i use? |
| 14:53.52 | __law__ | gpe-sdk or oe-sdk |
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| 14:56.20 | florian | __law__: the one with the latest date... that oe-sdk is the latest iirc. The content is the same. |
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| 15:00.46 | florian | pb_: It behaves a little bit strange if there are more free slots than windows. But i think i can fix this later today... |
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| 15:16.56 | eJumbo | i want to use Gpe to contain only an image viewer and a mp3 player i dont want to have any apps like calender |
| 15:17.26 | eJumbo | i just wanted to know is it possible to configure Gpe - what i want like that and how much size does it take any idea |
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| 15:34.09 | __law__ | i have installed toolchain und updated cvs on my local machine. whats next? |
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| 16:05.56 | __law__ | how can i build gpe for my pc? |
| 16:30.45 | moray | florian: what's your mimedir fix? I can upload a new version easily if it will improve things |
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| 17:05.51 | JiniDog | I managed it to make a patch and a ebuild to compile kdrive-20050207 on my zaurus gentoo |
| 17:06.15 | JiniDog | How is it reached in openzaurus, that long clicks are handeld as right clicks? |
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| 17:36.23 | florian | re |
| 17:39.31 | florian | moray: The maintainer of libmimedir changed a part of the API and removed functions we used in GPE. I don't know what else uses it... whatever it is, it might break. |
| 17:40.11 | florian | moray: The advantage of the new version is that it fixes bugs... e.g. the one fng_sma ran into yesterday. |
| 17:40.26 | florian | JiniDog: That's a patch against GTK. |
| 17:45.01 | JiniDog | florian, can you give me the patch? |
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| 17:52.16 | moray | florian: I don't think anything non-GPE uses the Debian libmimedir-gnome package |
| 17:52.58 | moray | florian: but I shouldn't upload it if the GPE packages won't build against the new version |
| 17:54.30 | JiniDog | hmm, okay, a look in OE gives me answers |
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| 18:22.34 | rob_w | hey guys ,, how is gpe doing ? |
| 18:29.30 | florian | hey rob_w |
| 18:29.42 | florian | rob_w: good i hope :-) |
| 18:30.06 | florian | moray: yes right... i need to check if there are other packages which need changes. |
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| 18:36.37 | florian | reenoo: uhh! |
| 18:36.40 | florian | hi shiyee |
| 18:37.33 | shiyee | hi florian |
| 18:39.36 | reenoo | nice. great sound. no more clicking |
| 18:40.41 | florian | reenoo: cool! that's good news! |
| 18:40.58 | florian | reenoo: pm3? ogg? |
| 18:41.08 | florian | oops |
| 18:41.31 | reenoo | depends on the audio player I guess |
| 18:42.10 | reenoo | with gstreamer only mp3 is fully supported atm |
| 18:42.57 | reenoo | you can play ogg/vorbis files from the command line using gst-launch though |
| 18:44.12 | florian | moray: hrm... moving to the new api involves changes in gpe-contacts, libgpevtype, gpe-calendar, gpe-multisync, gpe-bluetooth and gpe-beam :-/ |
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| 20:13.49 | mimecar | hi... |
| 20:16.39 | florian | hi mickey|zzZZzz |
| 20:16.45 | florian | eh hi mimecar |
| 20:18.18 | mimecar | hi florian |
| 20:18.28 | mimecar | you shoult not use autocomplete :p |
| 20:19.21 | florian | heh... or use it more carefully. |
| 20:21.00 | mimecar | yes |
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| 21:24.53 | reenoo | pb_: ping |
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| 22:07.16 | DiabboVerdde | does anyone know how to make my hw with familiar and gpe to speak with my windows desktop ? |
| 22:09.07 | florian | DiabboVerdde: That depends what kind of language you need for this conversation :-) |
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| 22:24.41 | univac | what is the god console mp3 mplayer? |
| 22:24.45 | univac | good* |
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| 22:44.59 | reenoo | univac: gst-launch, madplay, ... depends on your needs I suppose |
| 22:48.03 | univac | thanks |
| 23:04.29 | pb_ | reenoo: yo |
| 23:11.25 | reenoo | pb_: the alsa drivers appear to work fine at least on h3600. I take it I can switch to using those in h3600.conf? |
| 23:11.36 | pb_ | yep, please go ahead |
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| 23:12.31 | reenoo | ok. will do |