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| 00:39.06 | tsuyoshi | does japanese input work with gpe? |
| 00:39.48 | tsuyoshi | like.. can I just use an xim server like kinput2? |
| 00:53.06 | pigeon | hmm... ipkg -dest <dest> is broken in unstable? |
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| 00:54.32 | vittorio | hi, is there something like an embedded linux irc channel ? |
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| 06:07.15 | sageLin | How to restore WinCE? (if it is required to me) |
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| 06:34.54 | eJumbo | i having a problem with gqview. it does not list any files at all ? |
| 06:35.57 | eJumbo | i dont know why. even though the gif and jpeg files are present in a directory. gqview does not list them (in fact it does not list any files). as a result i am not able to select any image files for display. |
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| 08:06.48 | CoreDump|home | morning |
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| 08:28.30 | koen | good morning all |
| 08:28.40 | pigeon | morning koen |
| 08:31.04 | koen | hey pigeon |
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| 08:48.16 | jserv2 | pigeon: hi ! |
| 08:48.19 | jserv2 | koen: hi ! |
| 08:48.35 | koen | hey jserv2 & florian_hrz |
| 08:48.42 | pigeon | jserv2: hey! |
| 08:49.49 | jserv2 | pigeon: in HK now? |
| 08:49.59 | pigeon | not yet. |
| 08:50.32 | pigeon | jserv2: btw, do you know of any good online tw map site? |
| 08:50.48 | florian_hrz | hi all |
| 08:51.13 | jserv2 | pigeon: I am sorry that I have no idea. |
| 08:51.24 | pigeon | jserv2: it's ok. |
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| 09:01.14 | koen | hey pb_ |
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| 09:18.12 | koen | hey shiyee |
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| 09:22.49 | shiyee | hi koen |
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| 09:30.25 | koen | shiyee: attach patches to bugs.openembedded.org if you want them added to OE |
| 09:31.09 | shiyee | okay, currently i'm just trying to figure out the basics of OE |
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| 09:32.08 | shiyee | and i think the cleanest solution is to make a new package called gpe-gaim or something, so when people say Gaim they know what they get |
| 09:33.34 | XorA | this the PDA rearrange gaim patches? |
| 09:33.51 | koen | hey Philippe_work |
| 09:34.01 | shiyee | i was wondering whether i could use one of the prebuilt toolchains from http://handhelds.org/~florian/sdk/ and then ASSUME_PROVIDED somethings? |
| 09:34.30 | koen | shiyee: I don't see why people would object to using the patched gaim |
| 09:34.54 | florian_hrz | brb |
| 09:35.11 | shiyee | koen: well, it is off course mostly aesthetical changes |
| 09:35.24 | koen | indeed |
| 09:35.56 | shiyee | but somethings might be annoying, like icon size changes in the panel |
| 09:36.06 | koen | you could do something with the PV or PR to signal the change |
| 09:36.16 | koen | gaim-2.0-mco1 or something |
| 09:37.05 | shiyee | yeah, that's an option |
| 09:37.56 | shiyee | i just don't like the Gaim devs attitude towards Gentoo users - they practically don't support them, because they consider Gentoo's version to patched |
| 09:38.02 | koen | have you talked to the gaim people on how it will be integrated into the upstream repo? |
| 09:39.07 | XorA | the collest thing would be a gaim -pda mode |
| 09:39.09 | Philippe_work | hey koen |
| 09:39.18 | shiyee | I got my first patch integrated, so im in the process of submitting more |
| 09:39.31 | koen | very good |
| 09:40.23 | koen | glib 2.8.0 + cairo 0.9.2 messes up fonts |
| 09:41.26 | koen | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.10739.png |
| 09:41.57 | shiyee | XorA: yes, but it should be a compile time switch to not get it too bloated |
| 09:42.07 | XorA | koen: ah not just me then, I cannot select the font I want |
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| 09:46.24 | robtaylor__ | shiyee: the gaim devs attitude is bad all round |
| 09:49.41 | __law__ | XorA, have you tryed to build sylpheed 2.0.0 ? |
| 09:51.35 | shiyee | robtaylor__: bad experience? |
| 09:52.09 | XorA | __law__: it worked last time I tried |
| 09:53.09 | __law__ | XorA, i got an compile error will try it again |
| 09:53.39 | koen | Philippe_work: http://monotone.vanille.de/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=9a4ae3ee3e793f9cbcbbc0c1456f6756626d3a9c |
| 09:54.12 | XorA | __law__: actually maybe not, I dont have 2.0 in my feed |
| 09:57.00 | Philippe_work | koen, ok. But I would have waited a bit until Florian, Nils or pb had something to say about it. |
| 09:57.18 | Philippe_work | Of course it is still not to late to include their comments |
| 09:58.39 | robtaylor__ | shiyee: i've been working on cross-im-client videoconf and webcam support for the last 6 months, the gaim guys kept saying they rent interested and that we should go away, and now complain that we never worked with them... |
| 09:58.56 | robtaylor__ | s/rent/weren't/ |
| 09:59.13 | robtaylor__ | .. now it all works and other clients are using it.. |
| 09:59.23 | __law__ | XorA, http://pastebin.com/338108 here is my compile error |
| 10:02.04 | koen | Philippe_work: I've sent an email to the saying I'll update the list to whatever they agree upon next week |
| 10:02.52 | koen | s/the/the mailinglist/ |
| 10:03.13 | koen | http://handhelds.org/hypermail/gpe/44/4458.html |
| 10:03.29 | XorA | __law__: I guess more needs patched out then |
| 10:04.26 | shiyee | robtaylor__: tough... well, i got cold-shouldered when first talking about my changes... can't see why they forked to gaim-vv to implement A/V if they could just bring in a library |
| 10:07.14 | robtaylor__ | shiyee: oh, no it does require forking, you neet interface changes on the prpls and new core interface code |
| 10:08.17 | robtaylor__ | shiyee: hence why in cvs there's a gaim-farsight |
| 10:08.40 | robtaylor__ | though relaly the codebase is such utter rubbish, it'd probably be better to just reimplement gaim |
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| 10:09.25 | shiyee | robtaylor__: yeah, but gaim-vv is reimplementing the wheel then |
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| 10:09.36 | koen | hey florian_kc |
| 10:09.57 | shiyee | robtaylor__: i would vote for C++ and Gtkmm anyday then :-) |
| 10:10.00 | florian_kc | re |
| 10:10.28 | robtaylor__ | shiyee: i should say, i am writing an im/voip dbus based framwork atm, specifically for small devices and for cross application support |
| 10:11.00 | koen | small finnish devices with a blue logo? |
| 10:11.04 | robtaylor__ | shiyee: well, gaim-vv == clueless, tbh. ;) |
| 10:11.20 | robtaylor__ | koen: i couldn't possibly comment |
| 10:12.11 | koen | :) |
| 10:12.25 | robtaylor__ | shiyee: #ipcf, if your interested. (though i'm not a big fan of c++, tbh ;)) |
| 10:13.00 | koen | XorA: I've fixed some versions for GPE |
| 10:13.05 | shiyee | robtaylor__: better check it out :-) |
| 10:13.14 | koen | fixed/tied down |
| 10:13.19 | robtaylor__ | heh, cool |
| 10:13.42 | florian_kc | robtaylor__: sounds promising... |
| 10:13.44 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 10:14.06 | koen | I want farsight integration into mb-desktop |
| 10:14.22 | koen | so I can use a webcam as desktop background ;) |
| 10:14.41 | shiyee | lol |
| 10:14.53 | robtaylor__ | koen: should be doable |
| 10:15.34 | XorA | koen: gah, Im gonna ahve to rebuild now :-) |
| 10:15.56 | robtaylor__ | i'm hoping i can make it so an app can support iming and video support in a very small number of lines of code.. |
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| 10:22.25 | Philippe_work | florian_kc, will you release a new gpe-conf soon? |
| 10:33.38 | florian_kc | Philippe_work: hmm yes... i should do this. |
| 10:34.45 | koen | are they actually accepting outside help nowadays? |
| 10:35.15 | XorA | koen: Yes we could find more developers but each time we have tried they work on the project for a week and then they lose interest - so we have decided that i stay the core developer and we have sub-developer making applets/programs etc for the rom. |
| 10:35.39 | XorA | when did they try? how many times has OE tried to build a bridge to them |
| 10:36.34 | Philippe_work | florian_kc, that would be good for the 2.7 GPE release :-) |
| 10:38.04 | koen | could anyone look at extending the terminal code? |
| 10:38.46 | koen | ot needs an extra argument to the Xdefaults code to make it exentable |
| 10:38.58 | koen | probably 20 minutes of work for someone wit C knowledge |
| 10:46.16 | Philippe_work | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPERoadmap updated |
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| 10:48.14 | XorA | koen: gpe-taskmanager.c:23:24: gpe/render.h: No such file or directory |
| 10:48.21 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 10:48.26 | jsmanrique | how goes everything? |
| 10:48.36 | jsmanrique | new familiar release? |
| 10:49.11 | pb_ | hi jsmanrique |
| 10:49.12 | pb_ | hi florian_kc |
| 10:49.25 | jsmanrique | news in gpe? |
| 10:49.40 | jsmanrique | I've seen that gpe-irc seems to have a new version.. is that true? |
| 10:49.52 | jsmanrique | new soft in next release? |
| 10:50.06 | pb_ | yes, gpe-irc was updated. I'm not sure exactly what changed. |
| 10:50.19 | pb_ | I hope that gpe-irc will be supplanted by shiyee's GAIM work in the near future :-) |
| 10:51.14 | shiyee | pb_: cortainly :-) |
| 10:51.25 | jsmanrique | shiyee's gaim work? |
| 10:51.28 | jsmanrique | nice!! |
| 10:51.48 | jsmanrique | maybe localization support should be updated |
| 10:51.57 | Philippe_work | jsmanrique, indeed new familiar release. Time to make a line-up for the new GPE version. |
| 10:51.58 | CoreDump|home | where does GPE keep its ".desktop" files for menu and "tab" entries? |
| 10:52.10 | jsmanrique | I have to find time for Spanish localization :) |
| 10:53.00 | Philippe_work | gpe-irc seems to have been worked on. pb could you do a new release then so we can include it? |
| 10:53.08 | CoreDump|home | nm, got it |
| 10:53.20 | pb_ | Philippe_work: eh? |
| 10:53.25 | jsmanrique | perhaps new categories are needed for GPE desktop (pim, internet, apps, media, config, running apps,..) |
| 10:53.55 | Philippe_work | pb_ : I was just looking at the gpe-irc cvs and you seem the one that did all the changes. No mention of a release though. |
| 10:54.31 | pb_ | gpe-irc 0.08 is identical to the current HEAD. |
| 10:54.47 | Philippe_work | pb_, ok, good. Thanks! |
| 10:54.52 | jsmanrique | pim: calendar, contacts, todo, today |
| 10:55.27 | jsmanrique | internet: minimo, dillo, gpe-minibrowser, gpe-irc, gaim?, gpe-mail?... |
| 10:55.42 | jsmanrique | apps: gpe-editor, gpe-filemanager, ... |
| 10:55.56 | jsmanrique | media: gpe-nmf, mplayer?, gpe-player?.. |
| 10:56.04 | jsmanrique | config: all that config apps |
| 10:56.08 | jsmanrique | what do you think? |
| 10:56.14 | XorA | heh heh, my / is now at 111.2M |
| 10:56.56 | jsmanrique | shiyee: could this be useful for you: http://corrie.scp.fi/users/kalle.vahlman/irksu/ ?? |
| 10:59.04 | Philippe_work | jsmanrique, maybe. However it it still quite clear like this. (And I think that adding all apps that can be used on gpe is not relevant for a GPE release. That should contain GPE specific programs or specially patched ones) |
| 10:59.47 | Philippe_work | I would leave out mplayer, abiword, gimp, ... |
| 11:01.15 | jsmanrique | Philippe_work: well, how clear is an 'Other' category? Why gpe-editor is in same category than other apps? |
| 11:01.56 | jsmanrique | Philippe_work: a clear structure defined from the begining would be useful for new GPE apps, or external apps added to it |
| 11:02.52 | jsmanrique | Philippe_work: of course, it could be like Opie: PIM, Apps, Config, Docs :) |
| 11:04.38 | Philippe_work | jsmanrique: In the interface that would definitely be a good idea. On the roadmap the category other does not really exist :-) |
| 11:04.50 | jsmanrique | Philippe_work: that's very clear for all the people I've seen using it.. Many people use the PDA as advanced PIM device, so a PIM category is needed, and those added apps should go in an Apps category. Of course, the device needs some configuration, so there it is Config category. And everything you create on it is a doc, so.. there is Docs category :) |
| 11:05.01 | Philippe_work | Other would be useful for things like mplayer, abiword, gimp. evince |
| 11:05.32 | Philippe_work | Anyway cleaning up the desktop is a good idea. |
| 11:05.35 | jsmanrique | Philippe_work: mplayer should go to media, abiword, gimp and evince could go to Apps |
| 11:05.50 | jsmanrique | Philippe_work: don't make the user think |
| 11:05.57 | Philippe_work | jsmanrique, but they are not GPE apps... |
| 11:06.32 | jsmanrique | Philippe_work: so there should be a Guide to become GPE apps :) |
| 11:06.34 | Philippe_work | Opie does not have that "problem" because they only have their own software (well most of it) |
| 11:07.04 | jsmanrique | Philippe_work: if someone wants to have an app added to GPE, should follow a simple guide.. |
| 11:07.27 | Philippe_work | That is an path we could follow also... |
| 11:07.39 | koen | jsmanrique: abiword, gnumeric and evince ship their default .desktop files |
| 11:07.45 | jsmanrique | Philippe_work: like HIG in Gnome, I think |
| 11:07.50 | koen | jsmanrique: matchbox is sorting them wrong |
| 11:07.56 | Philippe_work | jsmanrique, maybe make a post about that on the mailing list to collect opinions. |
| 11:08.19 | jsmanrique | koen: so, perhaps, we should find a way to mix gnome desktop and matchbox desktop |
| 11:08.31 | jsmanrique | Philippe_work: perhaps, an idea |
| 11:08.57 | __law__ | it also would be nice if all taskbar icons has the same size :-) |
| 11:09.08 | jsmanrique | :D |
| 11:09.34 | Philippe_work | And we would have a smaller taskbar on big screens :-) Would avoid pixelated icons in the taskbar... |
| 11:10.34 | __law__ | where can i find the source files for the icons? sp perhabs i can fix this |
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| 11:10.41 | __law__ | s/sp/so |
| 11:11.07 | koen | http://handhelds.org/~gpe/albums/Various-Devices/port_14175.png <- only the rotator is pixelated |
| 11:11.20 | Philippe_work | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPERoadmap added some extra goals for 2.8 release, + maintainer list (please add your name and the apps you maintain.) Also check the version matrix for errors on my behalf. |
| 11:11.52 | __law__ | but the bluetooth and the mousebutton applet are realy small :-) |
| 11:12.16 | koen | select name, maintainer from packages where name like '%gpe%' |
| 11:12.26 | koen | any takers for the output? |
| 11:12.35 | florian | koen: right... that pixmap is too small.... |
| 11:12.59 | Philippe_work | koen, indeed. However the minilite icon is also starting to blur and there might be others that are not default that have the same "defect" |
| 11:13.13 | Philippe_work | koen, bring it on :-) |
| 11:14.49 | koen | Philippe_work: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/gpe-maintainers |
| 11:15.02 | florian | Philippe_work: good idea.... |
| 11:15.26 | florian | we need to define a list of officially supported devices |
| 11:15.48 | XorA | ~lart x86_64 kernels for not being stable |
| 11:16.26 | koen | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/gpe-maintainers updates |
| 11:17.11 | XorA | gah, is there a magic method to make a kernel reset NOW! |
| 11:17.24 | koen | XorA: the missus |
| 11:17.31 | XorA | koen: she at work |
| 11:17.44 | koen | D'oh |
| 11:19.53 | __law__ | where can i find the gpe icons? are there any sources? |
| 11:20.39 | XorA | koen: echo b >/proc/sysrq-trigger has either rebooted or totally stuffed the machine :-) |
| 11:21.42 | jsmanrique | sent |
| 11:22.13 | XorA | ~hail kernel devs |
| 11:22.13 | ibot | ACTION bows down to kernel devs and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 11:23.32 | Philippe_work | __law__, http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gpe/base/gpe-icons/ |
| 11:23.57 | __law__ | Philippe, ok thanks |
| 11:26.19 | Philippe_work | and the maintainerlist has been updated with the info from koen. the OE team does lots of stuff it seems.. |
| 11:26.33 | Philippe_work | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Maintainerlist |
| 11:27.01 | XorA | koen: render.h is in gpe-gallery as well |
| 11:27.34 | Philippe_work | Xora. Are you sure you are building the last versions? |
| 11:27.47 | __law__ | XorA, me too ;-) |
| 11:28.15 | koen | XorA: fixed |
| 11:28.55 | koen | Philippe_work: preferred-gpe-versions.inc had some remnants of old stuff |
| 11:28.56 | Philippe_work | http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gpe/base/gpe-gallery/ChangeLog?rev=1.35&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup |
| 11:29.48 | Philippe_work | koen, okay. you missed the small updates then... because gpe-gallery definitely had a version bump in my mail. |
| 11:29.55 | koen | yeah |
| 11:32.02 | pH5 | florian: this is my first shot at the gpe-conf usb ui: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.17571.png. comments? |
| 11:33.10 | koen | pH5: hide options for unselected bmodes |
| 11:34.05 | florian | pH5: Looks good imho... |
| 11:35.11 | florian | koen: hiding is a bad idea - i'd suggest to disable them. |
| 11:35.33 | koen | florian: yeah greyed out would be great too |
| 11:39.09 | pH5 | ok then, I'll add a few gtk_widget_set_sensitive()s and then start to dive into the suidloop stuff. |
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| 11:40.26 | __law__ | Philippe_work, i cant find the screen rotate icon |
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| 11:45.30 | XorA | koen: gpe-soundbite-1.0.5-r0 wants render.h as well |
| 11:47.11 | Philippe_work | __law__, maybe it is somewhere else in the cvs. |
| 11:47.53 | Philippe_work | I am trying to find it. |
| 11:48.05 | shiyee | is gpe-timesheet (Time-tracker) abandoned? |
| 11:49.22 | Philippe_work | shiyee, maybe. I don't know. |
| 11:51.18 | Philippe_work | __law__, I cannot find it either. No clue how that app is calles |
| 12:06.02 | koen | hey mickeyl |
| 12:06.35 | mickeyl | hi |
| 12:06.44 | florian | shiyee: not really maintained at least... it definitively needs help |
| 12:06.49 | florian | hi mickeyl |
| 12:08.24 | XorA | koen: gpe-tetris :-( |
| 12:12.00 | mickeyl | hey florian |
| 12:15.53 | XorA | koen: you must hate me by now |
| 12:16.03 | koen | XorA: no :) |
| 12:22.12 | JiniDog | hey guys, do you think X.org 7 is useable for the zaurus? |
| 12:22.18 | JiniDog | the splitted libaries? |
| 12:23.09 | koen | I'd use kdrive |
| 12:23.30 | XorA | koen: made a gpe image now |
| 12:24.34 | florian | Guys.... never try to use Suse! |
| 12:24.48 | koen | uh oh |
| 12:25.07 | JiniDog | X.org is in openembedded, kdrive not |
| 12:25.15 | koen | JiniDog: bullshit |
| 12:25.38 | JiniDog | just the impression you get when you look in the first time |
| 12:25.59 | koen | koen@dominion:/data/build/oe/monotone/org.openembedded.dev/conf/distro$ ls ../../packages/xserver/ |
| 12:26.02 | koen | xserver-kdrive/ xserver-kdrive-omap_6.6.3.bb xserver-kdrive_20050624.bb xserver-xorg/ xserver-xorg_6.8.99.11.bb |
| 12:26.05 | koen | xserver-kdrive-omap/ xserver-kdrive_20050207.bb xserver-kdrive_cvs.bb xserver-xorg_6.8.99.10.bb xserver-xorg_cvs.bb |
| 12:26.15 | koen | the impression you get when you don't look |
| 12:26.37 | koen | 6 out of the 10 entries have 'kdrive' in the name |
| 12:26.53 | JiniDog | ah, there they are |
| 12:27.13 | florian | :-) |
| 12:27.14 | XorA | florian: whats SuSe done to you :-) |
| 12:28.02 | florian | XorA: Networking configuration is a major pain - half of the settings don't work. |
| 12:28.14 | XorA | florian: :-D |
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| 12:30.40 | JiniDog | By the way, I'm working on a gentoo on the zaurus again (Zentoo) |
| 12:30.50 | JiniDog | not alone this time, so there is hope |
| 12:32.12 | koen | the 4th project or so |
| 12:32.23 | JiniDog | 2nd |
| 12:32.25 | JiniDog | for me |
| 12:32.37 | koen | I get a feeling you gentoo people aren't communicating very well ;) |
| 12:32.47 | JiniDog | possible |
| 12:33.17 | JiniDog | well, whoever tries that and is not showing up in #gentoo-embedded cannot reach much |
| 12:33.25 | koen | yeah |
| 12:33.57 | JiniDog | xserver-kdrive_20050624; is that really a new kdrive? |
| 12:34.18 | koen | latest known working kdrive |
| 12:34.54 | JiniDog | obviously there is a newer kdrive-ebuild needed for gentoo |
| 12:35.16 | pH5 | florian: i need modprobe and rmmod functionality for the gpe-conf usb applet. should i add MODP and RMOD suid_exec cmds to suid.c? |
| 12:35.52 | florian | pH5: That's a good idea |
| 12:43.06 | JiniDog | LVM on the zaurus would be fun |
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| 12:45.11 | reenoo | afternoon |
| 12:45.14 | koen | gpe portion updated: http://vanille.de/temp/.drafts/bla.html |
| 12:45.15 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 12:45.25 | reenoo | hi koen |
| 12:48.52 | reenoo | hrm.. I wonder where badblocks hides in d-i |
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| 12:53.20 | pb_ | heh, badblocks? that's a bit old-school. |
| 12:53.56 | florian | hi reenoo |
| 12:54.03 | florian | *gg* |
| 12:54.52 | reenoo | pb_: heh. any other suggestions to test whether the (new) disk is ok? |
| 12:54.57 | reenoo | moin florian |
| 12:55.24 | Philippe_work | koen, nice work for the newletter. May I ask also to include some screenshot of gpe-mini-browser and a maemo ported app? |
| 12:56.33 | koen | Philippe_work: send mickeyl a screenshot of gpe-m-b |
| 12:59.34 | koen | mickeyl: "and one 100Mbit Ethernet plug on a 400MHz ARM device" -> 133MHz |
| 12:59.46 | koen | the nzame ipx4xx is a bit misleading |
| 13:00.12 | koen | name* |
| 13:06.18 | Philippe_work | wel not more than pxa255, pxa270, ... |
| 13:06.59 | pb_ | reenoo: dunno. dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/null? |
| 13:07.44 | pb_ | if it's a new disk, obviously you wouldn't expect any errors at all. |
| 13:12.20 | reenoo | sure. it's just that I've had a bit of bad luck with hard disks in the past. and drives that survived a full badblocks run haven't failed yet |
| 13:20.10 | pb_ | ah, right, I see |
| 13:20.27 | pb_ | I guess if you want to do a full write-then-read test, badblocks is probably your only option. |
| 13:21.34 | reenoo | right. copied it over from my laptop. running now... |
| 13:36.23 | pb_ | righto |
| 13:38.06 | koen | reenoo: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/getfile.py?id=907e3e0b779bb9bd0df20ea1ed9abac6daf37b54&path=conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc |
| 13:59.28 | reenoo | koen: ah, cool. |
| 13:59.58 | koen | oz354 and fam083 are already using it |
| 14:01.07 | reenoo | I'll look into that once I've finished reinstalling my desktop |
| 14:23.38 | pb_ | florian_kc: do you know who this guy Matthias Steinbauer is? |
| 14:24.02 | koen | pb_: lolita__ on IRC |
| 14:28.31 | florian | pb_: right, he is working on the gpe-calendar maemo support. |
| 14:32.42 | lolita__ | what's up pb_ |
| 14:32.43 | lolita__ | ? |
| 14:34.55 | XorA | bleh, freetype 2.1.10 didnt fix the insta crash with Vera fonts :-( |
| 14:36.15 | florian | koen: i can take a look at versions for the release on one of the next days, i guess i need to find some free time to manage this. |
| 14:36.51 | koen | florian: take your time, I'll be away till next tuesday and familiar will take another month |
| 14:38.23 | florian | koen: okay... do we make a branch for familiar 0.8.3 when we freeze stuff? |
| 14:38.31 | pb_ | florian: ah right |
| 14:38.40 | pb_ | lolita__: nothing, I was just curious to know who was checking in changes to gpe-calendar |
| 14:38.44 | koen | florian: yes |
| 14:38.59 | lolita__ | few ... i though i was doing something bad ;) |
| 14:39.25 | pb_ | heh |
| 14:40.06 | florian | If we had someone fixing some oe related issues we could have pretty good support for the NBP - i'm quite happy with that image. |
| 14:40.44 | pb_ | yeah, that would be neat |
| 14:41.33 | Philippe_work | florian, wookey got back from holiday so we should ask for the contacts at Psion... |
| 14:42.03 | florian | I'm currently using gaim and gpe-mini-browser on it... and i wrote some manual bits with the new VMedit this weekend. |
| 14:42.05 | lolita__ | ah psion ... |
| 14:42.12 | florian | koen: cool |
| 14:42.16 | lolita__ | my series 5 all dusty but running linux ;) |
| 14:42.20 | Philippe_work | Bug psion with it until they give us a go. (It can only benefit them in the end) |
| 14:45.16 | florian | Philippe_work: That would be good... the kernel itself seems to be all gpl, i have a nbp patch in my hh.org homedir. |
| 14:45.51 | florian | ibot: seen wookey? |
| 14:45.54 | ibot | wookey <~wookey@linux-router.whitehorse.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 255d 22h 48m 34s ago, saying: '[ot but i do use debian!] anyone handy with mrtg? i got a script to output tx rx bytes from a router, how do i plot them on mrtg?'. |
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| 14:57.19 | reenoo | arrgh |
| 14:57.27 | reenoo | ~lart rxvt-unicode |
| 15:01.03 | florian | What is this bug causing rxvt to freeze on exit? |
| 15:01.23 | reenoo | matchbox-wm |
| 15:02.10 | reenoo | upgrading it fixed that issue for me |
| 15:02.32 | reenoo | I was getting at the '=' not working though |
| 15:02.39 | florian | ah... okay |
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| 15:02.51 | florian | hi tigrux |
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| 15:07.55 | koen | hey tigrux |
| 15:09.20 | tigrux | Good day. |
| 15:10.07 | tigrux | In spanish, we say "Buen dia" (Good day) for greeting when we don't know the timezone the other person is. :-) |
| 15:13.59 | Philippe_work | tigrux, have a nice time would be correcter I think. Even at night |
| 15:16.06 | tigrux | Philippe_work: That reminds me straigh forward translating is not a good idea. :-P "Have a good time" (Que tengas un buen dia) is used when you want to say Good Bye in Spanish. |
| 15:16.22 | Philippe_work | :-) |
| 15:16.42 | koen | that why we have ugt :) |
| 15:16.45 | koen | ~ugt |
| 15:16.45 | ibot | well, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. |
| 15:17.53 | Philippe_work | now that I know of it |
| 15:19.54 | koen | Philippe_work: http://www.userinterfacehallofshame.com/?p=103 |
| 15:20.13 | florian | uh... we have ugt now? ;-) |
| 15:20.47 | Philippe_work | koen, :-) |
| 15:21.37 | Philippe_work | It is even worse under Linux... (doing no timestamp checking at all, except a comparison with the build machine and server time) |
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| 15:40.41 | mimecar | hi |
| 15:40.49 | florian | hi mimecar |
| 15:41.00 | mimecar | hi florian |
| 15:41.05 | mimecar | I'm at home :) |
| 15:46.20 | mimecar | rebooting |
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| 16:01.18 | _law_ | hey |
| 16:03.23 | florian | hi _law_ |
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| 16:38.40 | _law_ | found screen rotate icon :-) |
| 16:38.52 | _law_ | there are some duplicate icons |
| 16:41.11 | _law_ | should there be an background in gpe-watch? |
| 16:43.50 | koen | florian: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Using_Monotone_With_Mozilla_CVS |
| 16:43.59 | _law_ | koen|slug: NOTE: preferred version 0.62 of gpe-calendar not available NOTE: preferred version 0.30 of gpe-edit not available |
| 16:46.30 | koen | _law_: fixed |
| 16:48.17 | _law_ | koen: thanks |
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| 17:15.25 | mimecar | evening |
| 17:16.30 | _law_ | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9858.png <- here is the new rotate icon ;-) |
| 17:16.57 | mimecar | _law_: I can't see screenshot |
| 17:17.15 | _law_ | i know, i think my scarp dont work :-( |
| 17:17.22 | _law_ | how can i change this? |
| 17:17.39 | koen | use the script on top of http://handhelds.org/scap/ |
| 17:18.05 | mimecar | _law_: do you use "online screenshot" ? |
| 17:18.59 | _law_ | here you can see the new icon: http://helmsdeep.homelinux.net/~pat/oe/xrandr.png |
| 17:19.20 | mimecar | it's cool |
| 17:21.38 | koen | see you next week! |
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| 17:49.40 | mimecar | I have send to gpe mail list |
| 17:49.52 | mimecar | a script with makes a screenshot and save it locally |
| 17:52.11 | florian | that's nice... |
| 17:53.34 | mimecar | I have some problems uploading to my web pages |
| 17:53.52 | mimecar | I have send code to the mailing list, a provisional action |
| 17:54.25 | mimecar | florian: I have test today gpe-filemanager |
| 17:54.33 | mimecar | it's better I think |
| 17:58.02 | mimecar | florian is posible has directory first and files after ? |
| 17:59.45 | florian | mimecar: ehh? in which context? |
| 18:01.50 | mimecar | I have a filemanager window |
| 18:02.03 | mimecar | I have 2 folders, after 1 icon, afeter more folder... |
| 18:02.08 | mimecar | sort folders first |
| 18:02.15 | mimecar | and files after |
| 18:02.54 | florian | ahhh right |
| 18:03.32 | mimecar | is there some command o config file ? |
| 18:04.03 | florian | iirc this is missing at the moment... |
| 18:04.19 | mimecar | iirc ? |
| 18:05.36 | florian | if i remember correctly |
| 18:05.45 | mimecar | xDDDD |
| 18:05.53 | mimecar | I think that's a program always |
| 18:06.20 | _law_ | Philippe: http://helmsdeep.homelinux.net/~pat/oe/xrandr.png |
| 18:08.00 | _law_ | who is the gpe-watch maintainer? |
| 18:08.35 | mimecar | _law_: it would appear on ipkg info gpe-watch |
| 18:08.43 | florian | _law_: nilsf |
| 18:09.38 | florian | mimecar: thats the package maintainer who isn't necessarily the maintainer of that piece of software |
| 18:09.49 | mimecar | ok |
| 18:13.21 | mimecar | florian: is possible acces to calendar and contacts database without direct programas (gpe-calendar and gpe-contacts) ? |
| 18:15.00 | florian | mimecar: yes... the calendar stuff has a library (libeventdb), the contacts data you'd need to read from the sql table currently. |
| 18:16.17 | mimecar | I would like write a script witch converts sqlite and vcal |
| 18:16.44 | mimecar | and will be able to sync without problems |
| 18:17.34 | mimecar | I need more options with calendar |
| 18:19.26 | mimecar | do you know palm pilot programs ? |
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| 18:22.37 | mimecar | hi zecke |
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| 18:55.30 | mimecar | hey pb_ |
| 18:55.36 | pb_ | hi mimecar |
| 19:05.33 | mimecar | I have found a possible problem with gpe-filemanager |
| 19:07.09 | mimecar | http://www.handhelds.org/scap/tozaurus.cgi?fn=port.18620.png |
| 19:07.29 | Philippe | __law__ nice icon. |
| 19:08.23 | Philippe | __law__ : Do you know which one needs to be replaced? |
| 19:09.39 | mimecar | I know |
| 19:20.21 | florian | mimecar: you can do this with libgpevtype, most gpe apps don't save it - but that would be easy to do. you can send contacts via irda or bluetooth. |
| 19:21.03 | florian | mimecar: the calendar doesn't support it at themoment, but imho it would be easy to implement. |
| 19:21.04 | mimecar | I have try send via irda |
| 19:21.21 | mimecar | it looks gpe save file |
| 19:21.28 | mimecar | but it can't handle it |
| 19:21.32 | mimecar | and I can't import |
| 19:22.51 | mimecar | florian must I use c, aren't you ? |
| 19:23.59 | florian | hrm... |
| 19:24.33 | florian | That looks like a problem with orbit - better use gnome-vfs-dbus and gconf-dbus. |
| 19:25.29 | florian | mimecar: hmm yes, indeed... it is saved to a file in /tmp befor transmit. |
| 19:25.59 | mimecar | libgpevtype ? |
| 19:27.12 | mimecar | florian: a sugestion |
| 19:27.47 | mimecar | give a scripting interface for some applications, such as calendarm editor... |
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| 19:29.04 | mimecar | hi jsmanrique |
| 19:31.25 | florian | ibot: search google for libgpevtype |
| 19:31.48 | florian | hrm... the bot sleeps... |
| 19:32.29 | reenoo | ~google libgpevtype |
| 19:32.37 | mimecar | hi reenoo |
| 19:32.47 | florian | mimecar: i have some documentation online at www.kernelconcepts.de/fuchs/gpe/doc |
| 19:32.56 | reenoo | hi mimecar |
| 19:32.58 | florian | hi jsmanrique |
| 19:33.17 | mimecar | link wrong |
| 19:33.50 | mimecar | kill slowly ibot |
| 19:34.10 | florian | ah... |
| 19:34.45 | florian | hrm... that tilde char is broken on my keyboard |
| 19:35.23 | florian | http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/gpe/doc/libgpevtype/ |
| 19:36.31 | mimecar | ok florian, I will see later |
| 19:38.46 | _law_ | Philippe: i found it @ /usr/share/pixmaps/xrandr.png perhabs this helps |
| 19:39.46 | mimecar | _law_: you have almost gpe icons on that folder |
| 19:39.59 | mimecar | I think xrandr is a matchbox icon |
| 19:40.31 | mimecar | i read you can use /home/ folder to store icons |
| 19:40.39 | mimecar | -> matchbox documentation |
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| 19:42.13 | mimecar | hi Philippe |
| 19:42.17 | mimecar | hi Philippe_laptop |
| 19:42.27 | Philippe_laptop | hey mimecar |
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| 20:04.15 | mimecar | good night |
| 20:06.14 | tsuyoshi | hm.. looks like there's no japanese input support |
| 20:07.09 | tsuyoshi | maybe I can add it |
| 20:08.54 | Philippe_laptop | tsuyoshi, please go ahead. |
| 20:09.25 | Philippe_laptop | But I thought there was some Kanji support (is that is what you need) |
| 20:09.38 | florian | i saw a screenshot of some asian language input some days ago... itat would be woth a question to the mailinglist. |
| 20:17.36 | tsuyoshi | I would like hiragana handwriting recognition |
| 20:18.09 | lolita__ | that would be very nice ;) |
| 20:18.29 | lolita__ | i think if someone realises that ... |
| 20:18.32 | tsuyoshi | if it was just regular.. inputting romaji through the keypad and having it convert to kanji and hiragana |
| 20:18.45 | lolita__ | it would not be too difficutl to allow katakana and kanji too |
| 20:18.56 | tsuyoshi | that's just a matter of packaging kinput2 and freewnn or canna or whatever |
| 20:19.11 | Philippe_laptop | well I have no clue how to do that, but it would be nice. |
| 20:19.17 | lolita__ | ... kanji are very well defined in most dicitionaries anyway so it should be easy to gain data ;) |
| 20:20.06 | tsuyoshi | kanji handwriting recognition wouldn't be very useful.. it takes forever to write kanji |
| 20:20.25 | tsuyoshi | hmm |
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| 21:08.04 | florian | re |
| 21:08.23 | Philippe_laptop | wb florian |
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| 22:18.09 | reenoo | heh |
| 22:18.52 | ||cw | gnome2 |
| 22:20.02 | reenoo | hmm? |
| 22:21.05 | reenoo | this is the right meta package. it's just that there's still all sort of old crap in there |
| 22:28.11 | reenoo | hrm |
| 22:28.40 | reenoo | I wonder how long sarge will survive on this box |
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| 23:05.11 | Philippe_laptop | night people |
| 23:10.39 | florian | good night |
| 23:11.25 | pH5 | good night |
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