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| 07:47.28 | XorA | morning |
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| 08:30.26 | florian_hrz | good morning |
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| 08:47.12 | Philippe_work | morning all. |
| 08:48.04 | Philippe_work | koen : I implemented yesterday that "hide the url bar" feature. I will put it in together with the bookmarks when it is done. Unless you really want that soon. |
| 08:49.02 | florian_hrz | Philippe_work: good morning |
| 08:51.36 | XorA | hi Philippe_work |
| 08:52.43 | Philippe_work | hello florian_hrz & XorA |
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| 09:01.00 | dm | hello, i need help with compiling rdesktop for geodegx, am i right here? |
| 09:01.13 | XorA | is there a DB app for gpe? |
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| 09:01.56 | florian_hrz | hello dm, hello koen |
| 09:02.15 | koen | good morning all |
| 09:02.30 | XorA | hey koen |
| 09:02.39 | florian_hrz | dm: Hmmm... not really, but maybe someone can help anyway. |
| 09:02.59 | florian_hrz | XorA: Some universal GUI Database? |
| 09:04.35 | XorA | florian_hrz: something like the one on opie that due to my morning braindeadness I cant remeber name of |
| 09:04.46 | koen | portabase? |
| 09:05.17 | XorA | koen: thats the one :-) |
| 09:05.47 | florian_hrz | XorA: I'm not sure if there is anything out there we could use, but i'd really love to see something like that. |
| 09:06.50 | dm | i got gpe-image built ok but wanted to have an rdesktop.ipk, too. but "bitbake rdesktop" fails with errors like such: "xwin.c:(.text+0x101c): undefined reference to `XOpenIM'" - has anybody an idea? Or where can i go to ask that question? |
| 09:07.05 | florian_hrz | XorA: The database code in gpe-contacts is very flexible... it would be not that complicated to create a nice database UI from it. |
| 09:07.28 | koen | XorA: gnome-db ;) |
| 09:07.37 | florian_hrz | dm: uh.. bitbake... that's a question for #oe. |
| 09:09.11 | koen | pb_ will know for sure, but I think XopenIM isn't in diet-x11 |
| 09:09.34 | dm | thank you I'll go there |
| 09:10.27 | XorA | koen: overkill for what I want, basically want to carry the index of all d20 books on my PDA |
| 09:11.17 | koen | Philippe_work: http://postneo.com/ |
| 09:14.01 | Philippe_work | koen, idd I noticed this morning |
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| 09:32.40 | florian_hrz | lolita__: good morning |
| 09:32.52 | lolita__ | uah morning ... |
| 09:34.36 | lolita__ | ... ahm ;) i'm celebrating one year in business today ;) |
| 09:34.45 | lolita__ | who wants to join ;) |
| 09:35.12 | florian_hrz | heh |
| 09:35.23 | florian_hrz | lolita__: That depends on the business ;-) |
| 09:35.55 | lolita__ | fu ... i'm running a one man company in it services and consulting |
| 09:39.30 | lolita__ | how can some one find out gps coords of an adress ..? |
| 09:39.55 | koen | 1) turn on gps receiver |
| 09:39.59 | koen | 2) read coordinates |
| 09:40.01 | koen | ;) |
| 09:40.07 | lolita__ | i waited for this reply ;) |
| 09:40.09 | florian_hrz | heh |
| 09:40.18 | lolita__ | ... suppose there are people who do not own that fancy stuff ;) |
| 09:40.44 | koen | maps.google.com |
| 09:41.00 | lolita__ | ... hm those maps .. |
| 09:41.03 | koen | the 'link to this page' link has the coords in the url |
| 09:41.12 | florian_hrz | lolita__: I do something similar... mostly software Development, but for... uh... 7 years iirc. |
| 09:41.50 | lolita__ | ... hm ... i'm only 22 and still on university ... so ... first year for today ;) |
| 09:42.18 | koen | 22 is a very nice age :) |
| 09:42.40 | florian_hrz | lolita__: Well... i started when i was at school :-) |
| 09:42.50 | lolita__ | your business ? |
| 09:42.57 | lolita__ | hm ... |
| 09:43.17 | florian_hrz | lolita__: Yes... and i'm somewhat older and still at university. |
| 09:43.25 | lolita__ | hähä |
| 09:43.26 | lolita__ | ... |
| 09:44.12 | lolita__ | google maps is very cool ... im looking for my house ... |
| 09:48.11 | koen | lolita__: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/maps/ lists the gpe people |
| 09:49.24 | lolita__ | noone in austria ... zzzz |
| 09:50.54 | florian_hrz | Yeah... that's lame ;-) |
| 09:51.01 | lolita__ | but now its me ;) |
| 09:51.13 | florian_hrz | Right... :-) |
| 09:51.58 | florian_hrz | Looking at Finland i wonder what happened to Luc... |
| 09:52.07 | florian_hrz | ibot: seen luc? |
| 09:52.08 | ibot | luc <~luc@cs78246193.pp.htv.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 84d 14h 26m 1s ago, saying: 'hey florian'. |
| 09:52.18 | koen | ibot: seen luc_ |
| 09:52.18 | ibot | luc_ <~luc@cs78246193.pp.htv.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 75d 11h 29m 19s ago, saying: 'good night all.'. |
| 09:52.20 | koen | ibot: seen luc__ |
| 09:52.20 | ibot | luc__ <luccio@cs181028197.pp.htv.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 125d 12h 15m 52s ago, saying: 'good night all.'. |
| 09:52.39 | florian_hrz | Hrm... not what i'd call "much better" :-/ |
| 09:54.32 | XorA | seems to be one other person in Scotland, not really enough for a party though |
| 09:56.17 | florian_hrz | Okay... but we could collect some people in Europe and have a party in Scotland :-) |
| 09:57.13 | lolita__ | i would join ... flying is cheap anyway ;) |
| 09:58.25 | florian_hrz | :-) |
| 09:58.31 | ade|desk | norwich to glasgow is cheap these days :) |
| 10:06.33 | XorA | koen: how well is evince working these days? |
| 10:07.08 | koen | after installing the dejavu fonts it's pretty good |
| 10:07.24 | XorA | koen: cool, Ill have to give it a try later then |
| 10:13.01 | lolita__ | http://www.steinbauer.org/matthias/computer/dsc00477.jpg |
| 10:14.23 | florian_hrz | lolita__: You need a new camera ;-) |
| 10:14.32 | lolita__ | hähähähäh |
| 10:14.37 | lolita__ | then buy me one ;) |
| 10:14.46 | lolita__ | ... its taken with my sony clie ... |
| 10:17.59 | florian_hrz | hi mickeyl |
| 10:18.12 | mickeyl | hey florian_hrz |
| 10:18.25 | Philippe_work | hello mickeyl . feeling better? |
| 10:18.43 | mickeyl | yes,thanks |
| 10:22.38 | XorA | hey mickeyl |
| 10:27.12 | koen | hey mickeyl |
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| 10:45.26 | florian_hrz | brb |
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| 11:33.20 | ade|desk | pb_: you lost your ipv6 ness ? |
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| 12:10.19 | florian_kc | re |
| 12:15.38 | koen | hey florian_kc |
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| 12:16.30 | florian_kc | hi mallum |
| 12:16.41 | koen | hey mallum |
| 12:16.54 | mallum | hey hey |
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| 12:17.51 | ai256 | Hello |
| 12:18.07 | ai256 | How to connect PDA with desktop computer |
| 12:18.18 | ai256 | via USB |
| 12:18.21 | ai256 | ? |
| 12:18.29 | zecke | ai256: put the cable into the desktop? |
| 12:18.42 | zecke | ai256: if it is linux based usbnet should be automatically loaded |
| 12:18.59 | ai256 | but windows not found device |
| 12:19.05 | ai256 | I use winXP |
| 12:19.31 | ai256 | activeSync not work |
| 12:19.42 | ai256 | any alternative programs ? |
| 12:20.19 | ai256 | Or I should connect to device from linux only ? |
| 12:22.25 | zecke | what device do you own? |
| 12:22.49 | ai256 | ipaq 3850 |
| 12:23.13 | ai256 | after connecting it to computer windows tries to find drivers |
| 12:24.13 | ai256 | I've just installed GPE on PDA and don't know what to do next |
| 12:24.46 | ai256 | to install additional programs I need to sync PDA with computer |
| 12:24.48 | zecke | ai256: you've two options |
| 12:25.06 | zecke | ai256: first use serial+PPP or try the bahia drivers |
| 12:25.33 | ai256 | Where I can find bahia drivers ? |
| 12:28.00 | ai256 | ok, I have found bahia drivers |
| 12:28.11 | ai256 | I'll try it now |
| 12:32.05 | ai256 | drivers installed |
| 12:32.32 | ai256 | windows says: device cannot start |
| 12:32.52 | ai256 | how to use bahia ? |
| 12:33.04 | ai256 | just access to PDA via socket ? |
| 12:34.15 | ai256 | ok, thanks |
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| 12:59.23 | ai256 | familiar linux doesn't support commands modprobe an ifcongig |
| 12:59.28 | ai256 | ifconfig |
| 12:59.46 | koen | it does |
| 12:59.54 | koen | look in /sbin |
| 13:00.03 | koen | and use 'su -' instead of 'su' |
| 13:00.03 | ai256 | ok |
| 13:01.37 | ai256 | yeah, it works |
| 13:02.52 | trogdor_ | I've never been able to get those bahia drivers talking to a linux pda |
| 13:03.11 | trogdor_ | I'm starting to doubt they do anything at all |
| 13:03.28 | ai256 | I am going to check it |
| 13:05.44 | ai256 | after "ifconfig usbf 192.168.1.9 netmask 255.255.255.0" I got "SDO CSIFFLAGS: No such device" |
| 13:06.20 | ai256 | previous command was "modprobe usb-eth" |
| 13:08.47 | koen | the usbnet modules should get loaded on boot on the ipaq |
| 13:09.55 | ai256 | How ? |
| 13:10.13 | ai256 | What should I do ? |
| 13:11.14 | ai256 | I just read manual and enter commands |
| 13:22.04 | XorA | ~lart me for leaving a swapfile on SD card |
| 13:27.30 | ai256 | bye |
| 13:30.42 | pb_ | ade|desk: yah, it seems |
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| 13:46.57 | ade|desk | anyone know what the size difference between '--disable-xlocale' vs ' --enable-xlocale' for diet-x11 ? |
| 13:47.55 | Philippe_work | ade|desk, I do not really have numbers, but the difference could be substantial. Locales need much spaces |
| 13:48.03 | Philippe_work | s/spaces/space/ |
| 13:49.11 | koen | pb_: any progress on getting the EABI patches into glibc? |
| 13:49.19 | mallum | ade|desk: it halves the size more or less IIRC |
| 13:49.33 | ade|desk | it seems that --disable-xlocale breaks a few things for a fair few packages |
| 13:49.51 | mallum | ade|desk: yeah maybe |
| 13:50.07 | mallum | ade|desk: could you give example ? |
| 13:50.13 | ade|desk | rdesktop |
| 13:51.25 | mallum | what breaks ? |
| 13:52.00 | zecke | mallum: hi mallum |
| 13:52.19 | zecke | mallum: I'm slightly progressing on my wm, man matchbox must have been a tough job... |
| 13:52.20 | mallum | hey zecke |
| 13:52.51 | mallum | zecke: no it was easy, did it a couple of days in tea breaks |
| 13:53.36 | zecke | mallum: what a pretender ;) |
| 13:53.44 | zecke | anyway it is my first true X11 app |
| 13:54.16 | mallum | zecke: probably not the best thing to start with ;) |
| 13:54.26 | mallum | zecke: will it be a MB competitor ? |
| 13:55.13 | ade|desk | mallum: xwin.o: In function `ui_init': | xwin.c:(.text+0x101c): undefined reference to `XOpenIM' | xwin.o: In function `ui_deinit': | xwin.c:(.text+0x104f): undefined reference to `XCloseIM' |
| 13:55.31 | mallum | ade|desk: urg input methods |
| 13:55.42 | zecke | mallum: no it is my concept WM, once it does the stuff I want it do one could talk about integrating that into mb |
| 13:55.50 | mallum | ade|desk: yep I dont think I ever created stubs for them |
| 13:55.55 | mallum | zecke: cool |
| 13:56.19 | mallum | zecke: Im starting on matchbox2 . it will make stuff like that easier |
| 13:56.34 | koen | mallum: using gtk-2.8? |
| 13:56.52 | mallum | koen: the wm wont |
| 13:56.53 | ade|desk | mallum: what could i do to move along with diet-x11 rather than fullfat x11 ? |
| 13:57.10 | mallum | ade|desk: just comment out the *IM calls |
| 13:57.10 | koen | mallum: ah right, mb-desktop should use the new cell renderer |
| 13:57.15 | mallum | koen: right |
| 13:57.41 | zecke | mallum: I want to have viewport scrolling, some gimmicks, stylus orientated 'UI' (gestures). I do not know what belongs in a WM and what not... |
| 13:57.42 | mallum | koen: ah that said though the wm could use gtk if you wanted it too |
| 13:57.54 | ade|desk | mallum: wouldn't that cause problems ? |
| 13:57.54 | koen | mallum: I'm waiting for the first pda to run Xglx on opengl-es |
| 13:58.25 | zecke | mallum: it is concept code ;) |
| 13:58.28 | koen | mallum: so we can have *fast* cairo goodness :) |
| 13:59.12 | mallum | ade|desk: unless your targetting eastern users you should need to worry about input method stuff |
| 13:59.26 | mallum | shouldn't rather |
| 13:59.45 | ade|desk | .. fsck 'em ;) |
| 14:00.09 | XorA | ade|desk: XOpenIM can return NULL so just change it to blah=NULL; |
| 14:00.17 | mallum | or frak them as people on battlestar gallactica would say |
| 14:00.41 | mallum | ade|desk: or just add stubs to xlib which return NULL :) |
| 14:00.49 | ade|desk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:00.59 | koen | someone said the new diet-x11 had such stubbs |
| 14:01.06 | koen | hey tigrux |
| 14:01.10 | mallum | yeah I thought it had stubs for that |
| 14:01.31 | tigrux | Hi. |
| 14:01.32 | pb_ | yah, I think it's just that the one in familiar is pretty old |
| 14:01.57 | zecke | mallum: do you've any good 'how to write a simple wm' like documentation around? |
| 14:03.24 | mallum | ade|desk: the stubs are in X18NCMSstubs.c , any missing ones just add and send me patch |
| 14:03.50 | mallum | zecke: not really. looks at existing wm sources |
| 14:05.40 | koen | according to http://xlibs.freedesktop.org/release/ we are using the latest release |
| 14:05.54 | koen | which is from januari 2004.... |
| 14:06.16 | koen | heh |
| 14:06.24 | koen | that directory doesn't have anything from 2005 |
| 14:07.11 | mallum | koen: I havn't committed anything stubs though for a while |
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| 14:27.12 | zecke | for example if you move your stylus fast to the left edge, a menu with all running apps could pop up |
| 14:27.23 | zecke | if you move right (fast) you switch to the next app... |
| 14:27.47 | koen | like the 'rock & scroll' thing |
| 14:28.25 | zecke | ;) or expose |
| 14:28.42 | zecke | I'm not highly innovative but I#m going to be the first doing it on a pda ;) |
| 14:37.35 | mallum | zecke: you can do that now with xstroke and matchbox-remote |
| 14:39.54 | zecke | mallum: point is, one could ;) |
| 14:41.44 | koen | zecke: has your ibook arrived yet? |
| 14:42.47 | zecke | no |
| 14:42.59 | zecke | don't know if they bought it already |
| 15:01.34 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 15:01.50 | koen | hey CoreDump|home |
| 15:11.00 | CoreDump|home | gpe is using OE's scap/scap.sh for "Online Screenshot", right? |
| 15:11.19 | Philippe_work | CoreDump|home, I think so yes. |
| 15:11.32 | CoreDump|home | I wonder how you guys manage to use the true machine name (ie: spitz) and not have hh.org mis-render the image |
| 15:12.05 | florian_kc | CoreDump|home: That information is from /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:12.08 | CoreDump|home | scap.sh is the same as the one found at hh.org/source. Doesn't work for me in Opie or VT |
| 15:12.55 | CoreDump|home | problem is: If I set MACHINE to Corgi, everythings fine. If machine != corgi, the scap is b0rked on hh.org |
| 15:13.15 | koen | CoreDump|home: ping nelson (#handhelds.org) to update the descriptions |
| 15:13.30 | CoreDump|home | koen: ahh :) will do, thx! |
| 15:13.46 | koen | tell him it should be the same as spitz |
| 15:14.14 | koen | or corgi for that matter :) |
| 15:14.47 | CoreDump|home | koen: :D |
| 15:14.56 | XorA | koen: except it shouldbnt be same as corgi |
| 15:15.20 | XorA | koen: corgi is busted, needs to not futz with rotating the image |
| 15:15.21 | CoreDump|home | XorA: maybe not, corgi definition however works perfectly fine FWIW |
| 15:15.58 | CoreDump|home | XorA: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.28526.png <- Akita |
| 15:16.37 | XorA | CoreDump|home: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.21297.png Husky :-( |
| 15:16.55 | CoreDump|home | :( |
| 15:17.07 | CoreDump|home | edit the script on use "Corgi" :) |
| 15:17.24 | koen | XorA: it looks like husky has the fb rotated |
| 15:17.28 | XorA | CoreDump|home: problem is on c7x0 devices FB is the right way round on 2.6 |
| 15:17.38 | CoreDump|home | ah, i c |
| 15:17.44 | XorA | koen: the problem is its not rotated, scap is correcting for 2.4 |
| 15:17.55 | koen | that was easy |
| 15:18.01 | koen | gtk+extra added to OE :) |
| 15:18.08 | CoreDump|home | maybe the CGI should accept a "rotation" and "resolution" parameter :) |
| 15:18.18 | pb_ | it already does. |
| 15:19.39 | CoreDump|home | pb_: tried it, doesn't work for me. And the source of the cgi on hh.org is way old so I can't have a look whats wrong |
| 15:20.39 | zecke | koen: do you've the new apple mice already |
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| 15:22.37 | koen | zecke: no I use a logitech mx900 |
| 15:24.37 | CoreDump|home | great, nelson added the definition :) No need to hide behind corgi any longer. |
| 15:27.08 | XorA|gone | Ill have to talk to him tomorrow about the 2.6 based Z's |
| 15:28.07 | XorA|gone | time to waste my life in yet another pointless project meeting |
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| 15:52.13 | koen | XorA|gone: and gimp-2.3.3 is in OE, minutes after the release :) |
| 15:54.42 | florian_kc | koen: :-) |
| 16:02.10 | mickeyl | :) |
| 16:03.35 | koen | thus proving sed scripts are better than patches ;) |
| 16:04.34 | koen | ~hail sed |
| 16:04.34 | ibot | ACTION bows down to sed and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
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| 16:33.34 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 19:07.57 | koen | hey zecke |
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| 19:46.11 | fng_sma | hello! |
| 19:46.25 | koen | hey fng_sma |
| 19:46.50 | fng_sma | I got really good news! The synchronisation of the contacts works almost flawlessly! |
| 19:47.00 | koen | cool!!!!! |
| 19:47.28 | fng_sma | oh yeah, and the other things shouldn't be that ha |
| 19:47.33 | fng_sma | ... hard. |
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| 19:47.56 | fng_sma | koen: sound's like you're having fun as always ;-) |
| 19:48.01 | koen | :) |
| 19:49.13 | koen | is it ready to be tested yet? |
| 19:49.51 | fng_sma | I think so, yes. But I am currently at my girlfriends house and they have a strange kind of modem, so I can't hook up to the internet. |
| 19:50.05 | koen | heh |
| 19:50.18 | fng_sma | Tomorrow I'll try to check it in at a friend. |
| 19:51.38 | fng_sma | Are you using "umlaute" in Netherlands? |
| 19:51.48 | koen | in theory |
| 19:51.56 | koen | I just ignore them |
| 19:52.12 | fng_sma | good, because I didn't yet figure out, how to convert them. |
| 19:52.18 | koen | and in german I just put and 'e' after the umlauted char |
| 19:52.30 | koen | shouldn't all date be in UTF8? |
| 19:52.38 | koen | data* |
| 19:53.07 | fng_sma | Well, the data is not the problem I think, it's more the communication with nsqld and libnsqlc that makes the problem. |
| 19:55.25 | koen | nsqld <> libnsqlc assumes ASCII? |
| 19:56.10 | fng_sma | I didn't look that close, but I don't remember seeing there something with utf. |
| 20:00.36 | fng_sma | Well I have to go. I hope my latest changes will be tomorrow available in cvs. |
| 20:00.47 | fng_sma | Have a nice evening. |
| 20:01.35 | koen | have fun |
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| 21:16.45 | florian | re |
| 21:16.58 | koen | hey florian |
| 21:19.19 | koen | florian: imagine this: devicemanager with up{dat,grad}eable descriptions via dbus |
| 21:19.47 | koen | need support for your device? send the info over dbus -> done |
| 21:21.08 | florian | koen: hmm indeed, that would rock - at least for some sections this would be very useful. |
| 21:22.36 | florian | But we need to define a coomon device control backend first. |
| 21:23.58 | koen | masterheacker zecke spewed some ideas for the opie successor on #handhelds.org |
| 21:24.18 | florian | I'd like to work on this too as soon as the Development Manual is on its way... |
| 21:24.50 | florian | Sounds like it is time to move this discussion to some mailinglist... |
| 21:24.58 | zecke | koen: thieve ;) |
| 21:25.14 | zecke | koen: Actually I'm ripping off project Utopia |
| 21:25.29 | koen | pssst: i know that |
| 21:25.47 | zecke | rippint/adopting |
| 21:28.03 | florian | zecke: Device control is one of my favorite topics... i want to have some defined API/framework to become a better backend for both gpe-conf and all sorts of device control tools (like minilite and friends). It would be very good if we manage to share this... |
| 21:28.50 | koen | crazy germans hackers unite! |
| 21:29.02 | zecke | maybe at Oldenburg |
| 21:29.27 | zecke | florian: I want to completely revamp userspace for PDAs/Phone/SmartFluff/OtherFluff/FluffFluff |
| 21:31.40 | florian | zecke: Sounds like a good plan for world domination :-) |
| 21:34.29 | florian | That reminds me to a nice toy... |
| 21:34.46 | koen | that camera? |
| 21:35.20 | florian | ... no the NBP. |
| 21:36.27 | florian | koen: But i actually found a good solution for a real geek digital camera. I need to find a digital back for my Kiev 88 ;-) |
| 21:36.51 | koen | :) |
| 21:37.09 | koen | I've seen DB which use a h5550 as a display |
| 21:39.48 | florian | hrm.. yes... i saw this somewhere too. |
| 21:40.22 | florian | Hrm... a new Hasselblad back is about 8000 EUR... that's a little bit much :-/ |
| 21:42.02 | koen | 8k! |
| 21:44.40 | florian | Yeah... that's really really much... |
| 21:44.49 | koen | Surfer |
| 21:45.34 | koen | I'd want to learn how to surf if I had the money |
| 21:46.46 | florian | Is it that expensive? |
| 21:49.54 | koen | having your own equipment is |
| 21:50.03 | koen | and moving back and forth to the sea :) |
| 21:51.06 | florian | Hmm right... it will become expensive soon.. |
| 21:52.24 | koen | http://www.projectblackdog.com/site/index.html |
| 21:52.43 | koen | I saw a picture of it earlier |
| 21:52.45 | koen | cool stuff |
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| 21:55.26 | florian | That looks pretty interesting - and that CPU sounds fast. |
| 21:55.31 | florian | hi reenoo |
| 21:55.35 | reenoo | evening |
| 21:55.48 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 21:55.56 | reenoo | moin florian |
| 21:55.59 | reenoo | hi koen |
| 21:57.10 | reenoo | ~lart broken dependencies |
| 22:00.18 | florian | ~lart Psion |
| 22:00.34 | koen | finally, internal ipv6 is working |
| 22:00.59 | koen | now I just need the internal lan to talk to the internet |
| 22:01.06 | koen | no more NAT! |
| 22:02.27 | Philippe | evening all |
| 22:02.32 | koen | hey Philippe |
| 22:08.54 | florian | Philippe: hi |
| 22:09.21 | florian | Philippe: i don't but i usually do this with Psion for dropping the project... |
| 22:10.08 | florian | reenoo: this sounds like a really good idea! |
| 22:10.17 | reenoo | heh |
| 22:10.51 | reenoo | florian: just in general or do you have anything particular in mind? |
| 22:11.31 | florian | reenoo: just in general... but having ogg playing again would rock. |
| 22:11.56 | reenoo | ah, ok |
| 22:12.06 | Philippe | yes reenoo. please ogg! |
| 22:12.07 | reenoo | ogg playback will still take a while though |
| 22:12.28 | reenoo | I'll have to write the rest of the application first >:) |
| 22:12.31 | florian | uh... sounds nasty |
| 22:13.15 | Philippe | anybody knows how I can get the rtl (right to left) variant of a gtk icon to show? |
| 22:14.17 | florian | That must be some locale setting... |
| 22:14.33 | reenoo | florian, Philippe: I can publish the modified rhythmbox plaback code though in case anyone wants to integrate it into nmf |
| 22:14.44 | Philippe | hmmm. I only want it in a special case (when the url bar is hidden) |
| 22:15.23 | reenoo | s/plaback/playback/ |
| 22:15.30 | Philippe | reenoo, what do you exactly mean with that playback code? |
| 22:15.43 | Philippe | Because it might be better redoing the gpe-nmf gui also. |
| 22:15.53 | reenoo | the player backend |
| 22:17.37 | reenoo | yeah, I'm writing this thing pretty much from scratch (apart from the backends obviously) |
| 22:17.37 | florian | reenoo: this doesn't sound that bad... it might be worth a try. i guess the rhythmbox people have some more experience with gstreamer than we have. |
| 22:18.06 | Philippe | reenoo, so you are working on a gui also? |
| 22:18.28 | reenoo | Philippe: yeah |
| 22:19.02 | Philippe | reenoo, good :-) With a decent gstreamer back-end, and a well designed ui, we might also port it to the 770 |
| 22:19.12 | reenoo | well. actually the gui itself is already done (glade). |
| 22:19.31 | reenoo | what's missing is a lot of code in between |
| 22:20.47 | Philippe | reenoo, ah ok. |
| 22:20.58 | florian | That's the point it starts to become hard work... |
| 22:21.05 | Philippe | indeed.... |
| 22:21.24 | Philippe | It took me 4 hours to find out that there was also gtk_widget_hide... |
| 22:22.47 | Philippe | florian, :-) I actually missed it... |
| 22:22.54 | florian | :-) |
| 22:23.56 | reenoo | well, fwiw, I'm not talking gui code. that's just the view and usually doesn't take that long to write. |
| 22:24.24 | reenoo | I'm trying to get the rest right so that it will work decently on a pda |
| 22:24.31 | reenoo | speed-wise |
| 22:25.03 | florian | hmm... looking at rhythmbox is a bad idea then... speed-wise ;-) |
| 22:25.17 | reenoo | heh |
| 22:25.54 | reenoo | I haven't looked into anything but its backends |
| 22:26.02 | Philippe | I liked the opieplayer2 though... before I became a GPE addict :-) |
| 22:26.07 | reenoo | which are as fast as gstreamer can get |
| 22:27.23 | florian | I'm using beep-media-player now which is a good replacement for xmms. |
| 22:29.01 | reenoo | I've settled with musicpd a while back |
| 22:29.17 | reenoo | works fine and I can control it over the network |
| 22:29.59 | reenoo | i.e. over wifi from everywhere in the house |
| 22:30.40 | florian | hmm yes.. that sounds good. That would be a good job for the 770 or an iPAQ: |
| 22:31.12 | florian | Become a remote control for a player device like a PC or some dedicated thing like a Dbox. |
| 22:31.19 | reenoo | yeah |
| 22:31.27 | reenoo | there are clients for it in OE already |
| 22:32.12 | florian | It could not only control queues and show status - it could be used to listen a part of some song to check if it fits into a playlist. For parties this would be very cool. |
| 22:33.39 | reenoo | not sure whether musicpd supports some sort of pre-listening |
| 22:34.50 | reenoo | yay. my patch works :) |
| 22:35.20 | florian | Both the old iPaqs and the 770 have a powerful audio out and should work pretty good in a loud environment :-) |
| 22:35.25 | florian | reenoo: rock! |
| 22:36.43 | reenoo | well. gmpc has a pretty nice internal library |
| 22:37.16 | reenoo | it shouldn't be difficult to write a non-gnome gui (i.e. plain gtk) based on that |
| 22:38.09 | florian | reenoo: heh... i just looked atthis one :-) |
| 22:38.17 | reenoo | I've thought about integrating it into my player but fitting that into the same application would be rather confusing |
| 22:38.57 | reenoo | since I'm really aiming at simplicity for the gui |
| 22:41.33 | florian | hmm right, that would be the most important thing. but this gui they have looks pretty nice. |
| 22:43.33 | koen | reenoo: does it diplay album art? |
| 22:43.42 | koen | display* |
| 22:43.58 | reenoo | does what display album art? |
| 22:44.07 | koen | your GUI |
| 22:45.02 | reenoo | well. displaying is not a problem |
| 22:45.27 | koen | all my mp3s have it embedded in the metadata |
| 22:45.40 | koen | don't know if it's id3v2 |
| 22:45.48 | reenoo | oh. heh |
| 22:45.54 | reenoo | that may be a problem |
| 22:45.58 | koen | probably id3vApple |
| 22:46.09 | reenoo | I will not add any codec specific code |
| 22:46.36 | florian | Interesting that is is that easy to make people happy... i only build a kernel binary. |
| 22:46.40 | koen | iirc muine can display it |
| 22:46.52 | koen | so I suspect gst can present it |
| 22:47.07 | reenoo | muine downloads covers from amazon or something |
| 22:47.41 | reenoo | and, fwiw, muine uses a couple of libraries directly too |
| 22:47.46 | reenoo | bypassing gstreamer |
| 22:48.00 | koen | ogg and aac can have images embedded too, so it's just a matter of time before the gst people implement it |
| 22:48.15 | koen | I'll ask Uraeus tomorrow |
| 22:48.45 | koen | florian: for the vizws? |
| 22:49.45 | florian | koen: yes... |
| 22:50.35 | koen | florian: do you know if nils contacted the wiisard people yet? |
| 22:50.52 | florian | I never thought i'd earn money with that... but i really had a customer paying for installing Suse on a SGI 540. |
| 22:51.05 | florian | ... to make an accesspoint from it! |
| 22:51.59 | florian | koen: No idea... but he maybe tried, he talked about that some days ago. |
| 22:52.36 | koen | florian: They filed a bug in their bugzilla about a barcode scanner |
| 22:52.47 | koen | and I know you did a gui for that |
| 22:53.17 | florian | koen: ehem.. okay... do you have a link? |
| 22:53.46 | reenoo | florian: is nilsf going to go to oldenburg btw? |
| 22:54.11 | koen | florian: https://wiisard.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=21 |
| 22:54.24 | florian | reenoo: Yes... that's the plan so far. |
| 22:54.34 | koen | 'night Philippe |
| 22:54.35 | reenoo | 'night Philippe |
| 22:55.19 | koen | florian: steven brown asked for gtk+extra on the OE list today, which made me think of wiisard again |
| 22:57.00 | reenoo | florian: ah, cool. I was just wondering if we could discuss towards getting something like a roadmap out (I don't care about dates actually. but we should define some project goals) |
| 22:58.46 | florian | Philippe: good night |
| 22:59.22 | florian | reenoo: yeas that would be good |
| 23:00.15 | florian | koen: i couldn't even manage to find out what kind of devices they use, but hacking a frontend for setting up parameters of a barcode reader system should be pretty easy. |
| 23:00.58 | koen | they use h5xxx units according to their mailinglistl |
| 23:01.36 | florian | koen: It depends heavily on the barcode scanner itself - for the Integral we need to decode in software. |
| 23:01.58 | koen | 'mobiliscan' or something like that |
| 23:02.10 | koen | I suspect either CF or bluetooth |
| 23:02.43 | florian | koen: Then they use some Socket CF thingy or OEM. |
| 23:02.48 | reenoo | florian: in case joey attends the lug meeting on friday I'll talk to him whether he minds if we hijack the meeting a bit. but I guess he'll be fine with that. |
| 23:03.02 | florian | koen: hmm yes - that looks pretty much like a socket oem. |
| 23:03.42 | florian | reenoo: okay, great... |
| 23:04.11 | florian | "Compatible with Linux SQL databases, such as MySQL" |
| 23:04.22 | florian | This thing is a serial device :-) |
| 23:04.44 | florian | My mouse is compatible with MySQL too ;-) |
| 23:04.56 | reenoo | heh |
| 23:06.52 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 23:06.57 | koen | ' night |
| 23:07.11 | koen | and 'night all |
| 23:07.48 | florian | that's a good idea. |
| 23:07.51 | florian | good night all |
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