| 00:14.26 | Philippe | night all |
| 00:29.33 | reenoo | 'night all |
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| 02:40.34 | [Donkey] | is there Skype for strongarm pocketpc that is using opie? |
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| 05:13.02 | jnc | xtscal is broke |
| 05:13.04 | jnc | i think |
| 05:13.06 | JustinP | how is the default rotation set up in GPE? |
| 05:13.45 | JustinP | if I alter /etx/X11/Xserver to rotate correctly the touchscreen is 90 degrees off |
| 05:15.16 | jnc | uh |
| 05:15.20 | jnc | that's xtscal |
| 05:15.43 | jnc | haha |
| 05:15.45 | jnc | poor JP |
| 05:15.51 | jnc | have a good night's sleep bro |
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| 07:10.05 | koen | good morning all |
| 07:27.11 | __law__ | morning koen |
| 07:30.35 | koen | hey __law__ |
| 07:32.57 | Philippe | morning all |
| 07:33.22 | Philippe | koen. Could you try latest cvs of the gpe-mini-browser. I think that the toolbar being to big issue is fixed. |
| 07:33.44 | Philippe | here the size seems ok now http://handhelds.org/scap/port.30733.png |
| 07:45.54 | koen | my god |
| 07:46.10 | koen | the sql schema and the script don't match up in 0.40 |
| 07:47.45 | XorA | morning |
| 07:47.54 | koen | hey XorA |
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| 08:18.02 | Philippe_work | re |
| 08:22.43 | koen | yay! |
| 08:22.46 | koen | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/ipkgfind |
| 08:57.57 | molivier | i think i will make my own mail client for my poodle ( sylpheed is too big for 320x240 screen ) - is there a api for mail i can use to do this ? |
| 08:58.11 | hrw|work | libetpan |
| 08:58.15 | hrw|work | molivier: look at it |
| 08:58.27 | koen | or you can use the sylpheed core with a custom gui |
| 08:58.32 | hrw|work | it is used by opie-mail and iirc sylpheed is alsow switching into it |
| 08:59.04 | hrw|work | someone familiar with regexp? |
| 08:59.09 | hrw|work | I have "[G pic_title | L G]" and "[G pic_title | R G]" - "\[\s?G\s?(\w+)\s?\|\s?([LRM]+)\s?G\]" gives me 1st but not 2nd - anyone know what is wrong? |
| 08:59.11 | molivier | hrw|work, ok i will see this |
| 09:02.40 | molivier | also , i must add encryption in my keyring app, i think i will use something like libgcrypt, is this a good idea ? |
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| 09:06.47 | koen | ~lart php |
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| 09:10.30 | Philippe_work | koen : you seem to be in a lart day. |
| 09:10.44 | koen | yep |
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| 09:12.54 | koen | Philippe_work: I'm trying to integrate ipkgfind into drupal: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/drupal (bottom left) |
| 09:13.11 | koen | ipkgfind suffers from bitrot and stupid bugs |
| 09:13.16 | koen | and drupal is in php |
| 09:13.27 | koen | Philippe_work: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.18817.png |
| 09:16.09 | Philippe_work | koen, is that the latest cvs? Because the cvs build script seems to lag +/- a day |
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| 09:16.29 | koen | I set the date to 20050805 :) |
| 09:16.45 | Philippe_work | try the package on www.handhelds.org/~philippe/ for the 0.15 |
| 09:17.03 | Philippe_work | that one I build myself and makes it work decently again on my Ipaq. |
| 09:17.10 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 09:17.16 | Philippe_work | hello jsmanrique |
| 09:17.27 | jsmanrique | at last Debian/Gnome wors with my University network |
| 09:17.35 | jsmanrique | and I can use xchat at last |
| 09:17.35 | Philippe_work | btw koen, is it normal that you display text under the buttons? |
| 09:17.54 | koen | Yeah, I selected that in look&feel |
| 09:17.58 | jsmanrique | lovely seen apt-upgrade with 1289Kb/s :) |
| 09:18.20 | Philippe_work | koen, I think the buttons get so large because of the text labels. Can you try without? |
| 09:18.44 | koen | but ftp.nl.debian.org and the buildbox are on the same network :) |
| 09:19.13 | jsmanrique | wow! |
| 09:19.36 | jsmanrique | I usually use that mirror, but for my University is better using internal network |
| 09:19.43 | Philippe_work | koen, handy! |
| 09:21.39 | koen | Philippe_work: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.19252.png |
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| 09:23.31 | Philippe_work | koen, that is without the labels in look and feel? If so I guess I need to find a way to make the buttons smaller if labels are displayed. Does the font size influence that? |
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| 09:31.38 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: heh, i'd finished my patch before you checked in your changes, crazy =) |
| 09:32.42 | Philippe_work | robtaylor, it seems that the dates on the cvs are not completely correct. |
| 09:32.59 | Philippe_work | I checked the first toolbar changes in on monday evening |
| 09:33.17 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: odd, i checked out the tree i was working in last night |
| 09:33.23 | koen | Philippe_work: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.19760.png |
| 09:33.38 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: anoncvs lags by a few days then, i guess |
| 09:33.51 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: thats a bit broken |
| 09:34.23 | Philippe_work | possible. I was out for a drink when you started making your patch, otherwise I would have told you that I was NOT using the old toolbar api anymore. |
| 09:34.49 | Philippe_work | The whole toolbar discussion actually started because of strange behaviour due to the move. |
| 09:34.57 | Philippe_work | robtaylor, but thanks anyway. |
| 09:35.02 | koen | and with font size 8 Your image is available as http://handhelds.org/scap/port.19848.png |
| 09:35.12 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: you said you'd started using it, i was a bit confused ast the code in cvs looked old api =) |
| 09:35.19 | robtaylor | s/looked/was! |
| 09:35.42 | Philippe_work | koen, it seems to be the font size then |
| 09:36.10 | robtaylor | who runs the cvs? |
| 09:36.57 | univac | gpe-soundbite patch |
| 09:36.59 | univac | http://polbrokers.dyndns.org/~pocek/gpe-soundbite.patch |
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| 09:41.25 | Philippe_work | robtaylor, you also need to take into account that the cvs is located in the US I believe. |
| 09:41.30 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: anyhow, lovely, it looks much tidier now :) |
| 09:41.53 | jsmanrique | koen: how goes the hx4700? |
| 09:41.59 | jsmanrique | koen: does wifi work? |
| 09:41.59 | Philippe_work | My check in from tonight round 2am is listed as yesterday 19h47 |
| 09:42.12 | Philippe_work | s/tonight/lastnight |
| 09:42.13 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: mm. the timestamps claim to be utc, but i guess its lying ;) |
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| 09:42.56 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: yeah, looks like i must have failed to update yesterday. ah well.. at least i understand toolbars a little better now ;) |
| 09:43.00 | Philippe_work | robtaylor, thanks. Anyway I need to find a way to avoid the font size making the buttons go crazy. |
| 09:43.47 | koen | Philippe_work: it seems gtk thinks buttons need a lot of personal space |
| 09:43.50 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: what happends? |
| 09:44.20 | koen | is there a TIGHT_PACKING attribute? |
| 09:44.51 | koen | robtaylor: on vga screens with fontsize 9 it pushes off one button |
| 09:45.38 | Philippe_work | luckiley with the new toolbar api it gives you a push down button so you are still able to reach it, but it is not nice. |
| 09:45.47 | univac | http://polbrokers.dyndns.org/~pocek/gpe-soundbite.patch - look on that |
| 09:45.51 | Philippe_work | koen, I do not know. I really have to look into that. |
| 09:46.11 | koen | univac: attach it to bugzilla or send it to the mailinglist |
| 09:46.17 | univac | ok |
| 09:46.30 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: surely this is a theme engine issue? |
| 09:46.46 | jsmanrique | koen: does wifi work in the hx4700? (is its wiki updated?) |
| 09:46.53 | Philippe_work | robtaylor, to be honest I have no clue. |
| 09:46.54 | koen | jsmanrique: not yet |
| 09:46.58 | koen | jsmanrique: but almost |
| 09:49.58 | jsmanrique | koen: almost sounds right nowadays :) |
| 09:50.32 | koen | jsmanrique: everything else works: sound, bluetooth, suspend, resume |
| 09:51.51 | koen | Philippe_work: I proclaim the toolbar thing insignificant |
| 09:52.04 | koen | Philippe_work: now start working on the db ;) |
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| 09:54.18 | koen | monotone: 936.8k | 160.5k | 1545 | 456 | 0 |
| 09:54.44 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 09:54.47 | jsmanrique | koen: it seems I should earn for one :) |
| 09:54.52 | Philippe_work | koen, ok :-) |
| 09:55.00 | koen | hey florian_kc |
| 09:55.03 | Philippe_work | hello florian_kc |
| 09:55.13 | jsmanrique | koen: but still a bit expensive, compared with N770 :) |
| 09:55.46 | pb_ | florian_kc: good morning |
| 09:55.54 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: good morning! |
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| 11:04.17 | reenoo | morning |
| 11:06.40 | Philippe_work | salut reenoo |
| 11:06.59 | reenoo | bonjour Philippe_work |
| 11:07.45 | florian_kc | hi reenoo |
| 11:07.48 | florian_kc | hi Philippe_work |
| 11:08.10 | reenoo | moin florian_kc |
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| 11:13.46 | Philippe_work | florian_kc, do you know how to limit the size of the labels (or the whole button) on a toolbar? |
| 11:14.38 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: i'm a bit weirded, cos if i build a toolbar with glade, the buttons end up bring smaller |
| 11:14.43 | robtaylor | s/bring/being |
| 11:15.23 | Philippe_work | robtaylor, seriously? It depends on the xsettings though. |
| 11:16.03 | Philippe_work | I can set the icons smaller and override the style etc but then it will not take into account user-settings anymore |
| 11:18.45 | florian_kc | Philippe_work: hmm not offhand, sorry |
| 11:20.24 | __law__ | has anyone tryed to compile hostap today? |
| 11:20.30 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: http://robtaylor.fastmail.fm/Screenshot-toolbar.png |
| 11:20.54 | robtaylor | :/ |
| 11:21.00 | reenoo | __law__: #oe |
| 11:27.48 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 11:29.29 | reenoo | hi koen |
| 11:30.12 | jsmanrique | has somebody seen irksu as toolkit for a new gpe-irc? |
| 11:30.26 | Philippe_work | robtaylor, if you make the font smaller it gets fixed... Now I need to find a way to define a maximum font-size for the labels |
| 11:30.38 | florian_kc | jserv2: no yet... |
| 11:30.44 | jsmanrique | http://corrie.scp.fi/users/kalle.vahlman/irksu/ |
| 11:30.51 | Philippe_work | I am going to try what the effect is of gtk_tool_item_expand. |
| 11:31.09 | pigeon | hmm is gpe-mini-browser in any familiar feed yet? |
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| 11:32.05 | toji | hi |
| 11:32.15 | toji | can i ask some question ? |
| 11:32.20 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: a) that doesnt explain the diffs i see between glade-genreated code and yours. and b) this should all be done by the theme |
| 11:32.33 | florian_kc | hello toji |
| 11:32.45 | florian_kc | toji: sure |
| 11:33.16 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: That would be a nice project for you to learn C! :-) |
| 11:34.00 | florian_kc | hmm... that guy sound familiar :-) |
| 11:34.19 | robtaylor | florian_kc: heh, kai rocks ;) |
| 11:34.53 | jsmanrique | xD |
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| 11:35.18 | toji | hi |
| 11:35.24 | toji | can i ask any question ? |
| 11:35.47 | toji | i have mobile-phone same pda |
| 11:35.50 | florian_kc | hello toji |
| 11:35.58 | florian_kc | toji: sure |
| 11:36.07 | toji | it have samsung 2440a 400 mhz cpu |
| 11:36.21 | toji | can i use gpe this pda ? |
| 11:36.43 | toji | hello florian_kc |
| 11:36.50 | florian_kc | toji: I don't think so... i'm not aware of a Linux port to this device... |
| 11:36.54 | reenoo | pigeon: no, not yet. but now that OE builds source packages I'll look into uploading gtk-webcore et al to unstable |
| 11:37.06 | reenoo | pb_: you around? |
| 11:37.15 | pigeon | reenoo: ah, ok. thanks anyway. |
| 11:37.34 | toji | hýmm, i dont use any linux ? |
| 11:37.45 | toji | this device... |
| 11:37.56 | florian_kc | toji: These devices are not comparable like PCs, it is hard to port Linux to it without any detailed hardware documentation. |
| 11:38.12 | reenoo | pigeon: I believe Philippe_work has got packages for it in his hh.org webhome though |
| 11:38.29 | toji | what do we need hardware document |
| 11:38.39 | toji | many i say hardware document |
| 11:38.40 | toji | ? |
| 11:39.41 | florian_kc | toji: Information about its flash and periperal hardware and how it is connected. Information about its bootloader and how to connect a JTAG interface. |
| 11:40.20 | pigeon | reenoo: ah, indeed, thanks. |
| 11:40.57 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: it seems just .configure make make install process :) |
| 11:41.03 | toji | i ask this information to producer may it say me ? |
| 11:43.24 | toji | ok thnx |
| 11:45.07 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: maybe... |
| 11:47.09 | reenoo | hrm |
| 11:47.25 | reenoo | is sqlite3 backwards compatible to sqlite2? |
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| 11:47.58 | reenoo | ~lart gentoo |
| 11:48.47 | Philippe_work | robtaylor, the screenshot was that a glade one or from my code? |
| 11:49.08 | Philippe_work | And if you don't mind it would be nice to see the diff between the glade generated code and mine. |
| 11:49.32 | Philippe_work | pigeon, look at www.handhelds.org/~philippe |
| 11:49.41 | Philippe_work | The necessary packages should be there |
| 11:49.49 | pigeon | yep i found that, ta :) |
| 11:54.10 | pb_ | reenoo: hello |
| 11:54.41 | reenoo | hey pb_ |
| 11:55.05 | reenoo | pb_: have you had a chance to look at what sourcepkg.bbclass does now after my changes? |
| 11:55.49 | florian_kc | reenoo: no.. its a different api and database design. Thats why sqlite 2.x will be maintained in future. |
| 11:56.45 | reenoo | florian_kc: well. gpe-mileage works when built against 3.x |
| 11:58.09 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: the screen hsot has yours at top, glade underneath, sorry :) |
| 11:58.34 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: i'll send you the code gerneated by glade, hangon :) |
| 11:59.40 | reenoo | florian_kc: err, sorry. I'll take that back. |
| 11:59.47 | reenoo | ~herring gentoo |
| 11:59.47 | ibot | ACTION whacks gentoo on the side of the head with a large red herring named alfred |
| 11:59.55 | pb_ | reenoo: ah, no, I hadn't even noticed you had checked in some changes. |
| 12:00.00 | pb_ | I'll take a look later today. |
| 12:00.12 | reenoo | pb_: thanks |
| 12:00.49 | Philippe_work | robtaylor, indeed now I see what you mean. Thanks |
| 12:00.57 | reenoo | pb_: I was just wondering whether the assumptions it makes are halfway reasonable. |
| 12:01.23 | reenoo | pb_: also, I noticed oenote/oedebug have no effect (output ends up in the log) with current bitbake |
| 12:03.07 | florian_kc | reenoo: phew... :-) |
| 12:07.43 | pb_ | reenoo: yeah, that's a bug |
| 12:07.52 | pb_ | a fairly longstanding one, iirc |
| 12:08.09 | reenoo | pb_: bon appetit |
| 12:15.57 | Philippe_work | robtaylor, thanks for the code. The only main difference I see is the gtk_toolbar_set_style (GTK_TOOLBAR (toolbar1), GTK_TOOLBAR_BOTH); |
| 12:16.12 | Philippe_work | Which I cannot use because it overrides user settings. |
| 12:17.27 | Philippe_work | Maybe the gtk_container_add function does a better job than the toolbar_insert... |
| 12:18.03 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: i dont think thats it, as thats what my version was using :/ |
| 12:19.23 | reenoo | florian_kc: the pim stuff still relies on the libmimedir snapshot? or does the upstream version work now? |
| 12:21.43 | florian_kc | reenoo: Last time i checked ther was more or less the same version in debian. the upstream one has a pile of changes but it looked like the maintainer didn't finish these and he didn't answer to my mail. |
| 12:22.00 | florian_kc | reenoo: imho we should try to find a replacement for it. |
| 12:22.17 | reenoo | florian_kc: hmm. upstream being synce? |
| 12:24.58 | florian_kc | reenoo: um? |
| 12:25.29 | reenoo | * dev-libs/libmimedir |
| 12:25.35 | reenoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.39 | reenoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.05 | reenoo | nevermind. that's not the right one |
| 12:26.48 | florian_kc | reenoo: right... there are differnent ones, but that might be something to ckeck out. |
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| 12:27.55 | fng_sma | hi |
| 12:28.42 | koen | hey fng_sma |
| 12:31.42 | reenoo | florian_kc: no, it doesn't appear to do much. and the last time the changelog was touched was in 2003 |
| 12:32.11 | florian_kc | hi fng_sma |
| 12:32.21 | florian_kc | reenoo: oh... then the current one is better |
| 12:40.24 | koen | https://launchpad.net/products/gpe |
| 12:42.38 | hrw|busy | koen: Malone is a tool to trace other bugtrackers? |
| 12:42.45 | koen | hrw|busy: yes |
| 12:42.49 | hrw|busy | cool |
| 12:43.16 | hrw|busy | so we can get Angstrom Malone with bugs from OE, OPIE, GPE, HH - right? |
| 12:43.32 | koen | when they release malone as open source, yes |
| 12:43.40 | koen | it is not released yet |
| 12:43.56 | florian_kc | That would be very useful... |
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| 12:46.01 | koen | ~lart mysql |
| 12:46.05 | fng_sma | re |
| 12:46.06 | koen | ~lart php |
| 12:46.19 | koen | ~lart website hacking |
| 12:46.32 | koen | ~lart broken hh.org python scripts |
| 12:46.34 | koen | there |
| 12:48.03 | fng_sma | koen: did it help? |
| 12:48.13 | koen | yeah |
| 12:48.24 | koen | it's largely working now |
| 12:48.37 | fng_sma | what are you working on? |
| 12:48.54 | koen | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/drupal/ 'ipkgfind' item |
| 12:51.22 | fng_sma | "Invalid query: ..." hmm... |
| 12:51.33 | koen | yeah |
| 12:51.38 | koen | a comma too much |
| 12:51.41 | koen | try again :) |
| 12:51.59 | fng_sma | Ah! :-) |
| 12:52.27 | fng_sma | Is this going to be a new frontend? |
| 12:53.05 | koen | It is a frontend for the database on that machine |
| 12:53.33 | koen | I have no plans to update ipkgfind.handhelds.org |
| 12:56.23 | fng_sma | But it looks really nice! |
| 12:57.21 | koen | the original ipkgfind uses phptemplates, so code and presentation are seperate |
| 13:02.09 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: ahhhh! figured the difference! |
| 13:02.30 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: all buttons expand to be the size of the largest button in the toolbar |
| 13:06.02 | Philippe_work | robtaylor, ok. So what is the fix? Play with the homogenous stuff? |
| 13:06.43 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: the fix is to fix it in the theme engine, i think |
| 13:06.57 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: i'm suprised gpe doesnt have its own theme engine already :/ |
| 13:07.56 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: i think your code is just fine, and your doing it all right. the chnages for small screens should be (mostly) done by user settings and themes |
| 13:12.16 | Philippe_work | ah ok. How did you find out that? |
| 13:30.33 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: find what out? |
| 13:31.02 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: all the things you want to change are things that are normally set in gconf on a gnome desktop |
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| 13:33.52 | robtaylor | so the way i see it, we should make it so a normal GtkToolbar JustWorks(tm) in gpe |
| 13:34.14 | Philippe_work | robtaylor, what I meant is how did you see that the difference (between my code and the glade generated one) is related to gconf etc al. |
| 13:34.50 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: ah, on a hunch, i removed "zoom out", and all the buttons got smaller.. |
| 13:34.50 | Philippe_work | a normal GtkToolbar JustWorks(tm) in gpe would be cool :-) |
| 13:34.56 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: indeed ;) |
| 13:36.43 | reenoo | I'm moderately sure the gconf keys are mapped to xsettings on a gnome desktop as well. gtk+ isn't linked against anything gconf after all. |
| 13:42.03 | reenoo | hrm, what does gpe-contacts use dbus for? |
| 13:42.35 | koen | beaming |
| 13:45.47 | reenoo | hmm |
| 13:47.19 | reenoo | hrm |
| 13:47.30 | reenoo | of course there isn't one |
| 13:50.30 | reenoo | florian_kc: mind if I add a configure option like that? |
| 13:55.55 | pb_ | reenoo: go ahead |
| 13:56.35 | reenoo | pb_: will give it a try |
| 13:57.02 | reenoo | brb |
| 14:04.52 | fng_sma | I have to go and catch a train. Have a nice day! |
| 14:09.27 | koen | note to self: don't use indent on php files |
| 14:14.25 | reenoo | re |
| 14:17.27 | florian_kc | reenoo: that would be nice, it might be useful sometimes. |
| 14:17.33 | reenoo | libglade 2.5.0 uses the new toolbar api btw |
| 14:17.54 | florian_kc | very good... |
| 14:18.15 | reenoo | florian_kc: well. I need it >:) |
| 14:18.24 | reenoo | (the configure option) |
| 14:23.27 | florian_kc | reenoo: what are you doing? |
| 14:24.29 | reenoo | florian_kc: nothing familiar/OE related. you'll find out when I'm done... |
| 14:25.04 | florian_kc | reenoo: You know i'm a little bit nosy :-) |
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| 14:35.34 | reenoo | florian_kc: yeah, but you know my policy regarding announcements as well. it's just to protect myself from "when will it be finished/available?" stuff. also, it allows me to postpone a project or even abandon it without anyone screaming out loud. |
| 14:36.57 | florian_kc | reenoo: yes i know :-) |
| 14:51.39 | pb_ | hi mickey |
| 14:52.35 | mickeyl | heya paul |
| 14:52.38 | mickeyl | ~lart tab completion |
| 14:52.40 | mickeyl | hi pb_ |
| 14:53.37 | mickeyl | what's the state of xaw and xaw3d? do they still need the full x11 ? |
| 14:57.46 | pb_ | good question |
| 14:57.56 | pb_ | I don't think so, but I'm not sure. It'd be easy to try it and see, anyway. |
| 14:58.12 | mickeyl | yep. would that be a compile error or a runtime error? |
| 15:00.13 | pb_ | compile time. |
| 15:00.31 | pb_ | you'd get undefined references to obscure X functions if Xaw wants to use stuff that isn't in diet-x11. |
| 15:01.00 | mickeyl | ah |
| 15:01.05 | mickeyl | then i can report that it works :) |
| 15:01.11 | mickeyl | i just compiled xaw |
| 15:01.31 | mickeyl | i don't see xaw3d - is it an external package or supposed to be included in xaw? |
| 15:01.59 | mickeyl | gv needs xaw, that's why i ask |
| 15:01.59 | florian_kc | pb_: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.11758.png |
| 15:02.03 | mickeyl | xaw3d, even |
| 15:02.18 | pb_ | florian_kc: awesome! |
| 15:02.27 | mickeyl | cool |
| 15:02.53 | pb_ | well, it might be nice to have French be "Francais", but other than that it looks excellent. |
| 15:03.07 | florian_kc | pb_: that's with the locale.alias and directory fallback. It is used if /etc/gpe/locales doesn't exist. |
| 15:03.13 | pb_ | right |
| 15:03.15 | pb_ | very good |
| 15:03.23 | pb_ | mickeyl: dunno, sorry |
| 15:03.26 | mickeyl | np |
| 15:03.37 | florian_kc | pb_: Indeed... we can ship a better locale.alias i guess... |
| 15:04.10 | pb_ | yeah |
| 15:04.39 | pb_ | florian_kc: so, if you select "Deutsch", does the session actually come up in German? |
| 15:05.15 | florian_kc | pb_: it does... but its a h5550 with 128mb of ram. |
| 15:05.24 | pb_ | ah right |
| 15:05.35 | pb_ | so, aside from the localedef thing, it seems to be in reasonably good shape? |
| 15:06.36 | florian_kc | indeed... the only thing we would need is some mechanism to install the translation packages of a certain language for all installed packages. |
| 15:06.46 | pb_ | yeah |
| 15:06.56 | pb_ | ipkg is meant to be able to do that, but I'm not sure it quite works yet. |
| 15:07.06 | Philippe_work | maybe we can make sort of a pseudo package that depends on all of them? |
| 15:07.22 | florian_kc | ibot: seen Pigi? |
| 15:07.24 | ibot | pigi <~NoOne@Pigi.active.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 17h 38m 29s ago, saying: 'night all, it's time....'. |
| 15:07.36 | Philippe_work | scrap that. Only installed... hmm |
| 15:07.40 | pb_ | oh, I remember. it works for installing, but then you end up in a sort of deadlocked situation where you can't ever remove anything. |
| 15:08.07 | reenoo | heh |
| 15:08.13 | XorA | pb_: yeah, the package ends up depending on the locale data |
| 15:08.25 | pb_ | i.e. you can't remove gpe-contacts because gpe-contacts-locale-de depends on it, and virtual-locale-de depends on gpe-contacts-locale-de. |
| 15:08.25 | koen | ipkg remove foo foo-de foo-br |
| 15:08.26 | florian_kc | hmm right... lets discuss this with Pigi as soon he shows up. |
| 15:08.30 | koen | error: foo depends on foo-br |
| 15:08.36 | pb_ | and you can't remove gpe-contacts-locale-de because of the opposite problem |
| 15:08.50 | pb_ | er, virtual-locale-de, not gpe-contacts-locale-de |
| 15:09.26 | florian_kc | hmm... can we solve this with "recommends"? |
| 15:09.39 | pb_ | yes, I think that would be the thing to do. |
| 15:10.15 | pb_ | unfortunately, the greedy depends logic only works for DEPENDS, not RECOMMENDS, so ipkg would need to be patched. |
| 15:10.34 | Philippe_work | could we not provide a scripts that does ipkg list, tries to find out for which packages there is a locale version available and pull those in? |
| 15:10.37 | florian_kc | oh well... |
| 15:11.04 | pb_ | Philippe_work: I suppose you could, but it'd be better to just fix ipkg. |
| 15:11.12 | Philippe_work | pb_, true |
| 15:11.27 | pb_ | florian_kc: of course, you can work around it with --force-depends, so it's not the end of the world. |
| 15:11.35 | pb_ | it is annoying though |
| 15:11.38 | florian_kc | hmm right... |
| 15:12.05 | florian_kc | I could fix gpe-package and tech it to search for the translation packages of installed stuff. |
| 15:12.13 | florian_kc | s/tech/teach |
| 15:12.45 | pb_ | mm. I think the same applies to that. |
| 15:12.46 | florian_kc | Now we only need to solve that locale generation issue. |
| 15:12.50 | pb_ | let's try to get Pigi to fix ipkg. |
| 15:13.03 | florian_kc | right, that would be better. |
| 15:13.04 | koen | florian_kc: and make it list 'non-managed' feeds? |
| 15:13.15 | florian_kc | koen: yes |
| 15:15.20 | florian_kc | I'll create a V 0.81 release and add it to oe. |
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| 15:16.33 | florian_kc | ah wait... maybe i should try to get a better locale.alias first |
| 15:18.22 | florian_kc | hmm... anyone here a good idea how to escape the first column of a list with " chars easily? |
| 15:19.04 | florian_kc | gdm ships a nice locale list, but it is missing the " |
| 15:19.37 | koen | awk? |
| 15:20.05 | koen | {print \"$1\" $2 $3} |
| 15:20.10 | koen | or something like that |
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| 15:29.11 | pb_ | florian_kc: try awk '/^#/ { print; next }; { print "\"" $1 "\" " $2 }' < locale.alias |
| 15:29.14 | pb_ | or some slight variant thereof |
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| 15:29.39 | pb_ | otherwise, you could probably do it with sed. |
| 15:31.50 | florian_kc | pb_: ahh... that looks good... |
| 15:32.59 | florian_kc | ~lart mallum |
| 15:33.18 | florian_kc | The applaunche still dies with in a German locale :-/ |
| 15:35.52 | koen | finally: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/drupal/?q=ipkgfind&pnm=gpe-dm |
| 15:36.37 | florian_kc | ah cool |
| 15:39.29 | florian_kc | pb_: We have a better (mostly longer) locale.alias now, but still without translations. |
| 15:43.44 | florian_kc | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.14254.png |
| 15:43.51 | florian_kc | That looks a little bit nicer |
| 15:44.22 | reenoo | florian_kc: I just checked in a patch against gpe-mixer. could you perhaps have a look at it and release a new version if you believe it's sane? |
| 15:44.33 | florian_kc | reenoo: okay... |
| 15:45.22 | reenoo | florian_kc: thanks |
| 15:47.17 | koen | does gpe-mixer override Style too? |
| 15:47.54 | florian_kc | i don't hope so... i'll check this |
| 15:52.59 | koen | it does |
| 15:53.57 | koen | do the mixer and nmf really need to be such tiny windows? |
| 15:54.13 | koen | (especially with all the bug in matchbox concerning those) |
| 15:54.57 | Philippe_work | is gpe-nmf still expanding the toolbar? (making it almost impossible to select files on the 320x240 screens) |
| 15:58.29 | florian_kc | koen: it did ;-) |
| 16:03.28 | koen | cu |
| 16:37.02 | pb_ | florian_kc: very good |
| 16:38.14 | pb_ | florian_kc: it's unfortunate that the launcher hates German. Do you know where it crashes? |
| 16:42.29 | reenoo | florian_kc, pb_: changes to gpe-contacts checked in. |
| 16:45.52 | pb_ | reenoo: rock |
| 16:47.33 | reenoo | florian_kc: the new gpe-mixer release builds and works fine now. thanks. |
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| 16:47.56 | florian_kc | reenoo: cool! |
| 16:48.23 | florian_kc | reenoo: very good... |
| 16:48.38 | pb_ | hi zecke |
| 16:48.39 | pb_ | later all |
| 16:48.44 | reenoo | later pb_ |
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| 16:52.44 | JustinP | ok....how are the special keys actually set up in GPE? I see 3 files with possibilities. /etc/keylaunchrc, /etc/gpe/key-commands, and /etc/gpe/key-layout |
| 16:54.23 | reenoo | hrm |
| 16:54.32 | reenoo | ~whaleslap reenoo |
| 16:54.32 | ibot | ACTION slaps reenoo upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 16:55.05 | koen | key-layout should propagate to keylaunch |
| 16:56.30 | reenoo | florian_kc: I accidently checked in the the .po files for gpe-contacts (cvs commit -m '...' without file arguments). are they supposed to reside in CVS or should I revert that checkin? |
| 16:57.51 | florian_kc | reenoo: that's okay, they are kept in cvs. |
| 16:58.14 | reenoo | florian_kc: phew |
| 17:03.24 | reenoo | crap |
| 17:03.36 | reenoo | make install fails |
| 17:04.18 | florian_kc | make distcheck is a nice thing,.. |
| 17:05.13 | reenoo | true. but it cannot work here. unless I disable dbus by default which is probably not what we want |
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| 17:07.13 | reenoo | ok. editing the makefile fixes that |
| 17:07.28 | reenoo | now to figure out why I get this: |
| 17:07.33 | reenoo | ../../mkinstalldirs: ../../mkinstalldirs: No such file or directory |
| 17:09.39 | florian_kc | hrm... i had this error with another package some time ago. It might be related to some autotools version. |
| 17:11.04 | reenoo | florian_kc: could you check if sh autogen.sh && make distcheck works for you? I think this box is just doomed to be not usable to upload releases... |
| 17:11.16 | reenoo | ~lart gentoo |
| 17:12.35 | florian_kc | reenoo: ok |
| 17:12.51 | reenoo | florian_kc: thanks |
| 17:14.14 | reenoo | err.. add a ./configure after the autogen.sh |
| 17:15.09 | florian_kc | yeah |
| 17:15.43 | florian_kc | i should add a -j2 |
| 17:16.50 | florian_kc | gpe-contacts-0.41.tar.gz is ready for distribution |
| 17:17.25 | florian_kc | reenoo: "make source"? |
| 17:17.43 | reenoo | to upload to hh.org |
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| 17:19.42 | florian_kc | hi france_ |
| 17:20.20 | florian_kc | reenoo: hmm... did you already upload a release? |
| 17:21.19 | reenoo | yeah, I'll delete the file so you don't get a permission denied |
| 17:21.29 | florian_kc | reenoo: okay |
| 17:22.13 | france_ | florian_kc: hi |
| 17:22.38 | reenoo | florian_kc: done |
| 17:24.01 | florian_kc | reenoo: up |
| 17:27.08 | reenoo | yay. that works :) |
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| 17:31.29 | florian_kc | reenoo: sounds good :-) |
| 17:44.08 | france_ | I just asked on #handhelds but I will ask here |
| 17:44.21 | france_ | what is the popular web browser these days on a handheld |
| 17:44.34 | france_ | I know what I like, but am interested in what others are using |
| 17:44.48 | france_ | skipstone, dilo, konqueror-embedded, etc... |
| 17:45.23 | france_ | opera-embedded? |
| 17:45.27 | france_ | what is popular |
| 17:45.33 | mickeyl | konqE because there's no other option for Qtopia and Opie |
| 17:45.39 | mickeyl | s/Qtopia// |
| 17:45.47 | mickeyl | qtopia guys use opera and netfront |
| 17:46.06 | france_ | mickeyl: thanks |
| 17:46.10 | france_ | what are the gpe users using?? |
| 17:47.06 | JustinP | FireFox! |
| 17:47.27 | france_ | heh |
| 17:47.46 | JustinP | seriously, though, I'm using FireFox |
| 17:47.58 | JustinP | there's also minimo and gpe-mini-browser which I haven't actuallyt ried yetr |
| 17:47.59 | france_ | I understand |
| 17:48.48 | koen | gpe-mini-browser is all the rage now |
| 17:49.23 | koen | it lacks some features, but it will do for casual browsing |
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| 18:56.41 | reenoo | pb_: wb |
| 19:00.31 | pb_ | re |
| 19:26.04 | reenoo | heh |
| 19:26.07 | reenoo | turns out it's not that simple to fit gpe on 1600x1200 |
| 19:26.16 | reenoo | http://handhelds.org/~rw/gpe/gpe.png |
| 19:27.47 | ||cw | mad man |
| 19:28.05 | reenoo | hmm? |
| 19:28.11 | ||cw | some of your windows are too big, limit them all to 320x200 :) |
| 19:28.58 | reenoo | well. the ones that are larger are either not resizeable at all or have some sort of minimum size |
| 19:29.50 | ||cw | odd, you'd think the min would be at least 320x200|200x320 |
| 19:29.57 | koen | reenoo: is that the pond with the damselflies? |
| 19:30.06 | reenoo | koen: yeah |
| 19:32.33 | reenoo | ||cw: normally, matchbox sorts out stuff like this |
| 19:33.29 | reenoo | ||cw: and of course it's all fixable. but I'm not going to touch the source code of any of the offending apps today ;) |
| 19:33.52 | koen | 2:27 minutes left ;) |
| 19:34.01 | koen | (till midnight) |
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| 19:37.15 | florian | re |
| 19:37.19 | reenoo | hello mr "make source"meister |
| 19:37.25 | reenoo | :) |
| 19:37.28 | florian | :-) |
| 19:37.58 | koen | hey florian |
| 19:38.02 | reenoo | florian: would you mind releasing new versions of gpe-sketchbook and gpe-plucker (render.h)? |
| 19:41.09 | koen | that will have luc's sqlite goodness too! |
| 19:41.20 | JustinP | I know the decimal keycodes for some X keys but would like to be able to use them in keylaunch. How do I get the actual key names? |
| 19:41.30 | florian | hmmm sketchbook i'd need to check with luc, plucker would be easy - but i have some hope that nilsf might take some care about it tomorrow. |
| 19:41.31 | JustinP | i.e. the X symbolic key names |
| 19:41.33 | koen | map them with xmodmap |
| 19:42.17 | reenoo | florian: hmm, ok. I'll use the patches from OE then |
| 19:42.55 | reenoo | florian: this is what I've been working on btw: http://handhelds.org/~rw/gpe/gpe.png |
| 19:43.24 | florian | reenoo: i'll make a plucker release, that shouldn't be any harm. |
| 19:44.06 | koen | reenoo: is 'catb' window your super-secret browser? |
| 19:44.11 | reenoo | florian: ok, cool. |
| 19:44.22 | reenoo | koen: no, that's gpe-plucker |
| 19:44.22 | florian | reenoo: hey that looks nice! |
| 19:45.34 | reenoo | koen: I abandoned the browser project when it became obvious that gtkhtml wouldn't be up to the job. it did work to some extent though |
| 19:46.07 | reenoo | koen: http://www.tzi.de/~rwagner/obsidian.png |
| 19:49.18 | florian | Uh that Makefile sucks! |
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| 20:00.27 | florian | hi mallum |
| 20:00.51 | jnc | hey gang, how does keylaunch work and gpe-conf keys? |
| 20:01.01 | jnc | it seems to be writing out a ~/.keylaunchrc that is invalid |
| 20:01.19 | jnc | i'm kind of running in circles here, can't see what's causing the trouble |
| 20:01.43 | koen | jnc: a type of the master configfile, which was fixed a while ago |
| 20:02.07 | jnc | ohh |
| 20:02.26 | jnc | fixed, you mean there was a bug? |
| 20:03.02 | jnc | i'm working to make this all copesetic with Sharp Zaurus SL-C3000 hardware |
| 20:03.29 | jnc | it says keylaunch version 2.0.7-r1, if that matters |
| 20:04.15 | jnc | also i wonder what should be done with /etc/gpe/key-commands and /etc/gpe/key-layout |
| 20:04.24 | Philippe | ok, my bike is clean, I am clean, let's hack! |
| 20:04.33 | jnc | :) |
| 20:04.46 | koen | jnc: /etc/gpe/key-commands and /etc/gpe/key-layout contain the typo |
| 20:04.59 | koen | see if you can get an updated gpe-conf |
| 20:05.02 | jnc | okay, they are specific to the iPaq hxxxx series |
| 20:05.05 | jnc | oh okay |
| 20:05.21 | jnc | my gpe-conf is 0.1.24-r0 from JustinP's build |
| 20:05.25 | jnc | there is newer ? |
| 20:05.43 | koen | hmmm |
| 20:05.45 | jnc | i've made new key-commands and key-layout files for the Zaurus C3000 |
| 20:06.03 | florian | cool! |
| 20:06.05 | jnc | the trouble is, well how to detect if you are on an iPaq or Zaurus, and use the right one |
| 20:06.05 | koen | I think you should look strongly at florian |
| 20:06.19 | koen | ipaq/zaurus shouldn't matter |
| 20:06.20 | hrw|busy | jnc: grep /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:06.27 | koen | they use the same keynames |
| 20:06.35 | jnc | ohh |
| 20:06.43 | jnc | but the keys are strange, no? |
| 20:06.48 | koen | or, they should :) |
| 20:07.16 | jnc | Zaurus has "Calendar, Sync, Address, Mail, Check, Home, Menu, jog wheel up, jog wheel down, side button OK, side button Cancel" |
| 20:07.17 | koen | xmodmap should map 0x120 (or something) to XF_POWER (or something) |
| 20:07.25 | jnc | also Zaurus has an audio remote |
| 20:07.35 | JustinP | and a hinge key |
| 20:07.41 | jnc | yes and a hinge key |
| 20:08.11 | jnc | and AudioPlay|Pause, AudioRaiseVolume, AudioLowerVolume, AudioMute, AudioStop, AudioPrev, AudioNext |
| 20:08.24 | koen | jogwheel = cursor, ok = enter, cancel = esc, calendar = XF86Calendar, etc... |
| 20:08.36 | jnc | i'm running out of XF86Symbols to be creative with ;) |
| 20:09.13 | jnc | it defaults to using 'bl' utility in /etc/keylaunchrc |
| 20:09.25 | jnc | this gets dumped into ~/.keylaunchrc |
| 20:09.34 | jnc | how is that handled? |
| 20:09.37 | koen | lardman was working on a zaurus enabled bl |
| 20:09.42 | jnc | cool |
| 20:09.48 | JustinP | (slbl already works...) |
| 20:09.51 | jnc | there is 'slbl' utility from slutils |
| 20:09.58 | JustinP | just needs to be put into bl code I suppose |
| 20:12.21 | koen | yay! size calculation works |
| 20:12.42 | koen | next job : list files in the package |
| 20:12.53 | jnc | cool |
| 20:13.22 | jnc | i'm taking notes, through the list here |
| 20:13.37 | jnc | which X11 keysymbol should a Zaurus closed lid trigger? |
| 20:14.10 | JustinP | heh, I doubt there is one....at least not an appropriate one |
| 20:14.57 | koen | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/drupal/?q=ipkgfind&pnm=linux-hotplug |
| 20:15.01 | jnc | florian: you might like the graphic i made for Zaurus c3000 |
| 20:15.48 | florian | jnc: yes everything! |
| 20:15.55 | florian | :-) |
| 20:16.20 | jnc | florian: http://pimpcat.org/~jnc/files/patchedspitz/zaurus-SL_c3000.png |
| 20:16.59 | jnc | i wish it were a little cleaner, i had to "invent" the Menu button using a clone tool in GIMP |
| 20:18.39 | jnc | the rest of files are in-progress |
| 20:19.47 | jnc | koen: the hotplug contains info on which X Keysymbol is appropriate? |
| 20:21.02 | florian | re |
| 20:21.48 | florian | jnc: very good... that's much better than nothing. If you have a working configuration i'd really like to include this in gpe-conf. |
| 20:22.24 | JustinP | I can make those keys work right now with lineakd but it would be good to supposrt keylaunch...it just has all this baggage we have to get through |
| 20:23.22 | florian | ah right |
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| 20:24.23 | buk | good evening |
| 20:24.25 | buk | :) |
| 20:24.37 | buk | does GPE always boots as long as during the first boot? |
| 20:24.51 | JustinP | no, the first boot configures packages and such |
| 20:25.05 | JustinP | (assuming you have a similar machine to mine) |
| 20:25.51 | buk | H3970 |
| 20:27.21 | JustinP | try rebooting and see |
| 20:29.47 | JustinP | jnc: do you have any of the buttons actually working doing anything? |
| 20:31.00 | JustinP | jnc: perhaps XF86Suspend for the hinge key...assuming that name exists |
| 20:31.12 | buk | how do press "enter" in the rosetta? |
| 20:31.17 | jnc | JustinP: hah, no |
| 20:32.43 | JustinP | jnc: does your xmodmap file on that website actually work? IMHO those keys at the top should really be fixed in the lower levell keymap, not the xmodmap |
| 20:33.28 | jnc | it's all broken |
| 20:34.39 | jnc | XF86Suspend is probably okay |
| 20:34.43 | jnc | good suggestion, thank you |
| 20:35.03 | jnc | XF86Calendar for the calendar button |
| 20:35.08 | jnc | how about the Sync button? |
| 20:35.29 | JustinP | I suggest just leaving it out for now |
| 20:35.34 | jnc | oh |
| 20:35.39 | jnc | i wanted to clear this up right away |
| 20:36.11 | jnc | my todo list is come up with a system of X keysymbols for those extra buttons, and then perfect the loadkeys keymap |
| 20:36.31 | jnc | i don't need to make the xmodmap mapping work yet |
| 20:36.47 | jnc | i want to document what those keys should be called as X keysymbols |
| 20:37.11 | JustinP | ok |
| 20:40.14 | jnc | JustinP: please read http://pimpcat.org/~jnc/files/patchedspitz/possibles |
| 20:40.19 | jnc | or anyone else for that matter |
| 20:40.41 | JustinP | ok |
| 20:40.43 | jnc | we are voting on what the Sharp Zaurus SL-C3000 extra buttons should be mapped to as X Key Symbols |
| 20:40.46 | jnc | :) |
| 20:41.29 | jnc | close lid, we agree is XF86Suspend ? |
| 20:41.52 | JustinP | yes, although it should *not* blindly suspend |
| 20:41.54 | JustinP | of course |
| 20:41.57 | Philippe | Ok, checked something in that should improve the toolbar buttons getting out of hand situation for gpe-mini-browser. |
| 20:42.10 | jnc | XF86Close seems to mean that you would close the current app |
| 20:42.13 | jnc | not close a hinge |
| 20:42.13 | JustinP | the hinge has ot be checked...it also can mean "rotate" |
| 20:42.15 | Philippe | Those with a 4700 please test and report. |
| 20:42.25 | jnc | ohh |
| 20:42.34 | JustinP | yes |
| 20:42.34 | jnc | so maybe it should be something else |
| 20:42.47 | JustinP | well....it means suspend when you close the lid with the screen down |
| 20:43.01 | jnc | the power button should be XF86Suspend no |
| 20:43.02 | jnc | ? |
| 20:43.03 | JustinP | (or, for my uses, if music is playing I want the screen to turn off and not suspend) |
| 20:43.11 | JustinP | yeah, I suppose that makes sense |
| 20:43.18 | jnc | or maybe that's XF86Power |
| 20:43.19 | JustinP | what's the keycode of that? |
| 20:43.28 | JustinP | well, the Z has no power button |
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| 20:43.31 | jnc | close lid = 102 [XF86Suspend] (press/release for close, press/release for open) |
| 20:43.40 | jnc | from my notes |
| 20:43.54 | JustinP | no, the power button |
| 20:44.02 | JustinP | oh... |
| 20:44.05 | jnc | i couldn't make it spit out a keycode |
| 20:44.11 | JustinP | from my lineakd conf 110 is the hinge |
| 20:44.18 | JustinP | I see.... |
| 20:44.43 | jnc | there is XF86ScrollDown and XF86ScrollUp though |
| 20:44.49 | jnc | that would be nice to map to the jog wheel |
| 20:44.52 | jnc | agreed? |
| 20:45.23 | JustinP | perhaps...they could just be mapped to Up/Down... |
| 20:45.54 | jnc | we could also map XF86ScrollUp to optionally be 'up' or 'left' |
| 20:46.05 | jnc | and XF86ScrollDown to optionally be 'down' or 'right' |
| 20:46.36 | jnc | ooh |
| 20:46.40 | jnc | XF86SplitScreen |
| 20:47.10 | JustinP | XF86AudioPlayPause |
| 20:47.12 | JustinP | doesn't work |
| 20:47.20 | JustinP | neither does XF86Suspend |
| 20:47.29 | JustinP | but XF86Sleep works |
| 20:47.36 | jnc | i'll worry about making those work later |
| 20:47.37 | jnc | heh |
| 20:47.51 | jnc | interesting |
| 20:48.01 | jnc | there's XF86RotationKB and XF86RotationPB |
| 20:48.06 | jnc | kb keyboard, pb ? |
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| 20:55.53 | jnc | which ones? |
| 20:56.11 | JustinP | X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) |
| 20:56.15 | JustinP | playing with keylaunchrc |
| 20:56.51 | mickey|tv | talking about X... what's the kdrive equivalent of 'xinit' ? |
| 20:57.01 | JustinP | ah, it's the bad lines above ;-) |
| 20:57.10 | JustinP | My audio remote is working :-) |
| 20:57.29 | jnc | mickey|tv: don't know |
| 20:57.48 | mickey|tv | hmm. no one ever started anything else than gpe-dm ? |
| 20:58.48 | reenoo | well.. plain X if that counts |
| 21:00.32 | mickey|tv | ok, so /etc/X11/XServer looks like a xinit equivalent |
| 21:00.59 | jnc | that might be it |
| 21:01.10 | jnc | there's /etc/X11/Xinit.d for standard OZ open zaurus stuff |
| 21:02.05 | mickey|tv | hmmm looks like kdrive doesn't expect an xinitrc as param |
| 21:02.05 | JustinP | Xsession starts Xinit, which starts the things in Xinit.d (including gpe-login) |
| 21:02.31 | JustinP | we could add a first entry to Xinit.d which looks for a user .xinitrc or somethign and execs it |
| 21:02.40 | mickey|tv | ah, XSession |
| 21:03.36 | mickey|tv | hmm, ok that's quite a bit different from the usual scheme. /me goes to look how to add other DEs that way |
| 21:10.31 | JustinP | jnc: mapping the hinge button to XF86Suspend doesn't work. I suspect something else is taking that keypress... |
| 21:10.47 | JustinP | jnc: I did get the hinge and my audio remote to work just fine through keylaunch, though :-) |
| 21:10.58 | JustinP | (I used XF86Video for the hinge for now) |
| 21:11.16 | koen | mickey|tv: http://twinpeaks.dyndns.org/blog/general/2005-08-04-22-38 <- xsettings might be interesting for you |
| 21:12.07 | mickey|tv | ah yes, thanks |
| 21:18.00 | jnc | JustinP: cool |
| 21:18.31 | JustinP | and I *will* ket an alt key working if it's the last thing I do |
| 21:18.34 | JustinP | get |
| 21:18.40 | reenoo | ~seen hallski |
| 21:18.41 | ibot | hallski <~micke@h80n3fls303o1035.telia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 112d 22h 3m 56s ago, saying: 'nice'. |
| 21:19.19 | jnc | JustinP: shift -> left shift, ctrl -> left ctrl, left japanese key -> left winkey, right japanese key -> left alt, Fn key -> third level chooser mod key |
| 21:19.26 | jnc | what do you think, is that reasonable? |
| 21:19.42 | JustinP | is Fn not working as-is? |
| 21:19.53 | JustinP | and I'm not sure we need a Winkey |
| 21:19.54 | jnc | i just want to document and clarify this |
| 21:20.03 | jnc | then i can dive into the kernel and config stuff to hammer it out |
| 21:20.09 | JustinP | (well, Fn doesn't work with FireFox for some reason...) |
| 21:20.23 | jnc | win key is handy because it can be mapped in the window manager for more shortcuts |
| 21:20.36 | JustinP | sure ,those sound ok |
| 21:20.46 | jnc | i use winkey in windowmaker on my desktop systems as a modifier to switch workspaces, open and close apps, etc. |
| 21:20.47 | JustinP | do you know the keycodes for the japanese keys? |
| 21:20.51 | jnc | yea |
| 21:20.56 | jnc | left japanese key = 69 |
| 21:20.56 | jnc | right japanese key = 70 |
| 21:22.14 | JustinP | you sure those are the X keycodes? |
| 21:22.18 | JustinP | how are you getting these? |
| 21:22.31 | jnc | oh |
| 21:22.32 | jnc | with showkey |
| 21:22.37 | jnc | how else would i get them? |
| 21:22.43 | JustinP | yeah, those are kernel keycodes |
| 21:22.48 | JustinP | the only way I know is with xev |
| 21:22.51 | jnc | oh |
| 21:23.04 | jnc | i just ssh in, then do DISPLAY=:0 showkey |
| 21:23.37 | JustinP | showkey has nothing to do with X :-( |
| 21:23.59 | JustinP | those codes are good for loadkeys, but not X |
| 21:24.12 | jnc | oh |
| 21:24.17 | jnc | i would need xev then eh |
| 21:24.53 | jnc | how to run xev on there? |
| 21:25.25 | koen | start it on your host and point hte display to the pdq |
| 21:25.28 | koen | pda* |
| 21:25.30 | jnc | oh cool |
| 21:30.45 | jnc | bah, there's no xev on my ubuntu breezy box |
| 21:32.25 | reenoo | hmm.. what the version number we advertise GPE under these days? |
| 21:32.57 | koen | the same since 2.6 |
| 21:33.06 | koen | nobody updated it |
| 21:33.20 | koen | and we still need a clear answer from nils |
| 21:33.50 | reenoo | hmm, right |
| 21:37.12 | jnc | i should maybe compile an xev binary for OZ |
| 21:38.08 | JustinP | jnc: what would be nice... |
| 21:41.23 | JustinP | I meant *that* would be nice |
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| 21:50.39 | mimecar | hi |
| 21:50.46 | Philippe | hi mimecar |
| 21:51.07 | koen | hey mimecar |
| 21:51.25 | mimecar | hi's Philippe and ko |
| 21:51.28 | mimecar | hi's Philippe and koen |
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| 22:00.16 | jnc | err |
| 22:00.24 | jnc | JustinP: why don't you whip up a bb for xev? |
| 22:00.59 | jnc | it's just one source file, and very easy |
| 22:01.00 | jnc | i don't know |
| 22:01.12 | jnc | it's actually part of xbase-clients in debian |
| 22:01.18 | jnc | maybe we'd want that instead |
| 22:01.20 | jnc | nevermind |
| 22:02.43 | JustinP | you're telling me not to do it? |
| 22:02.53 | JustinP | If you can getme the source file easily I can probably bb it |
| 22:03.13 | jnc | oh :) |
| 22:03.20 | jnc | http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/contrib/programs/xev/xev.c?rev=HEAD |
| 22:03.25 | JustinP | hehe |
| 22:03.27 | jnc | compile with -lX11 |
| 22:03.57 | jnc | jnc@baker:/tmp$ gcc -o xev xev.c -lX11 |
| 22:05.31 | jnc | i think it's absolutely rediculous that the feeds are in seperate directories on OZ feed site |
| 22:05.40 | jnc | it slows down ipkg sooo much |
| 22:06.00 | koen | it actually speeds it up |
| 22:06.07 | jnc | does it? |
| 22:06.14 | koen | more ipkgs -> more slowness |
| 22:06.17 | jnc | oh |
| 22:06.22 | mimecar | jnc: if you use gpe, for example, you don't need opie ipkg's |
| 22:06.27 | JustinP | jnc: do you have a CVS DSN for that repository? |
| 22:06.31 | mimecar | you use less bandwith |
| 22:06.36 | jnc | JustinP: err, "DSN" ? |
| 22:06.46 | JustinP | heh |
| 22:06.49 | JustinP | URL/DSN |
| 22:06.53 | JustinP | URI |
| 22:06.57 | JustinP | whatever you want to call it |
| 22:07.00 | jnc | what does DSN mean |
| 22:07.05 | JustinP | nm |
| 22:07.08 | JustinP | Data Source Name |
| 22:07.11 | jnc | oh okay |
| 22:07.16 | JustinP | used for Database stuff usually actually |
| 22:08.15 | jnc | that's new term to me, thanks |
| 22:08.43 | jnc | i don't know |
| 22:08.52 | jnc | i just copied the source code to a file xev.c and compiled it |
| 22:08.59 | jnc | sorry i can't be of more help |
| 22:09.19 | mimecar | night |
| 22:09.20 | JustinP | nm, I'm getting it |
| 22:10.06 | jnc | is OE bitbake and such set up to allow native compiling? |
| 22:10.21 | jnc | i'm thinking that'd be pretty slow |
| 22:11.36 | koen | the nslu2-linux people use it for native compiling |
| 22:12.19 | Philippe | koen, with the 400Mhz hack it should be pretty fast depending on the ram that the thing has no? |
| 22:12.34 | koen | and disk speed |
| 22:12.46 | koen | (266MHz hack) |
| 22:13.16 | Philippe | Oh sorry got confused with something else for the speed. |
| 22:13.27 | koen | Woohoo! |
| 22:13.47 | koen | it sort of knows about architecture : http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/drupal/?q=ipkgfind&pnm=tslib-conf |
| 22:14.37 | Philippe | koen : looks nice! |
| 22:14.55 | koen | thanks |
| 22:14.57 | Philippe | boeehhh, I get access denied if I try the search :-( |
| 22:15.09 | koen | ah |
| 22:16.32 | koen | search works now for everybody |
| 22:16.41 | koen | not much to sarch in, but it works |
| 22:19.52 | jnc | uh, JustinP, what provides 'as' util |
| 22:19.55 | jnc | for compiling |
| 22:20.41 | jnc | nevermind |
| 22:21.51 | jnc | yeaaa that sounds like it :) |
| 22:26.55 | jnc | okay here's a good one for ya koen, how do i go about pinpointing bugs with regard to GPE programs that crash on my Zaurus? |
| 22:27.01 | jnc | "Segmentation Fault" |
| 22:27.07 | jnc | that's about all the info i get right now |
| 22:27.52 | koen | try running it under catchsegv |
| 22:27.58 | Philippe | jnc: or try to run it with gdb (or gdbserver with a remote gdb session) |
| 22:28.04 | koen | if that doesn't give clues -> gdb |
| 22:28.23 | jnc | 'k |
| 22:28.48 | jnc | do you guys want that info, or is it at a point where things are being changed and this is expected to crash? |
| 22:29.07 | koen | info :) |
| 22:29.30 | jnc | xev.c:36:19: stdio.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:29.30 | jnc | xev.c:37:21: X11/Xos.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:29.32 | jnc | hmm |
| 22:29.43 | jnc | which dev ipkgs am i missing... oh ho ho |
| 22:30.07 | jnc | stdio.h is a pretty strange one. i haven't seen that missing recently ;) |
| 22:30.08 | koen | I'd compile xev on my host |
| 22:30.39 | koen | less trouble involved |
| 22:30.47 | JustinP | undefined reference to `XmbLookupString' |
| 22:30.56 | JustinP | anyone know which lib that's in? |
| 22:30.58 | Philippe | koen: as main feature requester. What buttons do you expect in a bookmarks window except add current, add new and delete? |
| 22:31.21 | Philippe | JustinP, I would guess some matchbox lib. |
| 22:31.26 | koen | I'm a subfolder junkie |
| 22:31.47 | JustinP | I don't think so... |
| 22:31.58 | JustinP | also XOpenIM, XGetIMValues, and XCreateIC |
| 22:31.59 | koen | Philippe: some rudimentary sorting/categorizing |
| 22:32.16 | JustinP | supposed to be in xlib...but I do have -lX11 and that doesn't help... |
| 22:32.37 | jnc | JustinP: if -lX11 results in no effect, then it's not doing anything ;) |
| 22:32.52 | jnc | you'd need to specify the location for the libraries to link with i'd guess |
| 22:32.57 | jnc | and the headers? |
| 22:33.14 | jnc | -L/library/path/to/libs -I/path/to/includes |
| 22:33.17 | koen | jnc: does your distro have 'xbase-clients' ? |
| 22:33.28 | jnc | good question |
| 22:33.30 | pb_ | jnc: he's probably trying to link with diet-x11 when fat-x11 is required. |
| 22:33.31 | Philippe | koen: hmmm, ok me needs to think through now how to implement that... |
| 22:33.49 | jnc | koen: on my desktop, xbase-clients is kind of broken (Ubuntu Breezy / amd64) |
| 22:33.53 | koen | Philippe: sqlite |
| 22:33.55 | jnc | pb_: ah |
| 22:34.10 | pb_ | diet x11 doesn't have the XIM or Xmb functions. |
| 22:34.18 | JustinP | jnc: no, specifying -lX11 does make a difference |
| 22:34.27 | JustinP | pb_: ah...that could be it....any way I can fix this? |
| 22:34.29 | koen | Philippe: I'm loving the stop/refresh button |
| 22:34.39 | Philippe | koen, indeed. But I still need to dig into that. |
| 22:34.47 | pb_ | JustinP: either patch xev to not use those functions, or build the full x11. |
| 22:35.10 | pb_ | or update diet-x11 to a version that has stubs for them, which I think the latest one does. |
| 22:35.22 | Philippe | koen, glad you like it because that new toolbar API has been giving me headaches. (BTW I checked in some stuff that might partially solve the buttons dropping of the toolbar problem) |
| 22:36.20 | JustinP | hmmm....include/X11/Xlib.h:extern char *XGetIMValues( |
| 22:37.25 | koen | aha |
| 22:37.56 | Philippe | tell me |
| 22:38.06 | koen | it swaps buttons around |
| 22:38.42 | koen | Philippe: try logging into the drupal site (which won't work) and look at the "wrong password" screen |
| 22:38.43 | Philippe | which page? Maybe I can track it down and submit a patch to Kompo |
| 22:39.16 | koen | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.9191.png |
| 22:39.34 | koen | the 'login' and 'search' buttons are switched |
| 22:39.56 | koen | Safari handles is correctly |
| 22:40.14 | koen | (which is webcore too) |
| 22:40.36 | Philippe | indeed I see it... |
| 22:41.00 | Philippe | but the functions are still okay :-) |
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| 22:58.24 | koen | 'night Philippe |
| 22:58.35 | reenoo | 'night Philippe |
| 22:58.44 | Philippe | night koen |
| 22:58.46 | JustinP | 'night Philippe |
| 22:58.55 | Philippe | bonne nuit reenoo |
| 22:59.22 | Philippe | well as we are wishing everybody goonight :-) goodnight JustinP |
| 22:59.56 | JustinP | jnc: xev compiled and packaged |
| 22:59.59 | jnc | bah |
| 23:00.01 | jnc | you beat me to it |
| 23:00.09 | JustinP | pb_: I just commented out everything that was missing and it seems to work |
| 23:00.24 | jnc | i was just about to install binutils on my Z and compile |
| 23:00.33 | JustinP | heh |
| 23:00.48 | JustinP | oh I already have all of that, but I'm sure I don't have the X11 headers and such |
| 23:00.54 | JustinP | and you'd need to alter the source |
| 23:00.59 | jnc | FYI you'd need ipkg install xproto-dev |
| 23:02.04 | JustinP | heh |
| 23:02.11 | JustinP | well, it's in my feed now |
| 23:02.18 | jnc | thanks man |
| 23:02.22 | JustinP | I'm about to send out the bb file and patch |
| 23:06.24 | jnc | okay on to business. starting with the most basic keymap |
| 23:09.11 | JustinP | now to get an Alt key finally... |
| 23:09.32 | jnc | JustinP: the /etc/X11/Xinit.d/90norepeat is not correct for Spitz |
| 23:10.22 | JustinP | japanese keys are 77 and 78, BTW |
| 23:10.39 | koen | 'night all |
| 23:10.46 | reenoo | 'night koen |
| 23:10.48 | jnc | 'nite koen thanks again for the advices |
| 23:11.08 | JustinP | 'night koen |
| 23:11.17 | JustinP | X key name for Alt....hmmm... |
| 23:11.23 | florian | koen|sleep: good night |
| 23:11.27 | jnc | wouldn't the kernel keymap affect the xev? |
| 23:11.58 | JustinP | not 100% sure |
| 23:12.09 | JustinP | one sec |
| 23:12.28 | JustinP | hmmm... |
| 23:15.21 | JustinP | is there a list of X key names somewhere I can easily read it? |
| 23:19.34 | JustinP | ebuilds? for what? |
| 23:19.47 | reenoo | gpe |
| 23:19.51 | JustinP | oh, cool |
| 23:19.56 | JustinP | tarball? |
| 23:20.08 | florian | reenoo: wee... sounds like you have been pretty busy! |
| 23:20.10 | JustinP | did you just copy the bb files? ;-) |
| 23:20.26 | reenoo | JustinP: no |
| 23:20.51 | reenoo | like I said. bitbake is a bit more advanced than portage |
| 23:20.56 | JustinP | I'm sure there are differences, but the basics are the same (at least what I've seen) |
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| 23:21.55 | reenoo | florian: about a day of work, yeah. |
| 23:22.21 | JustinP | jnc: yes, 77 looks like it's right |
| 23:22.30 | JustinP | for left japanese key anyway |
| 23:22.43 | JustinP | although my xmodmap fo ralt isn't working... |
| 23:23.40 | reenoo | florian: including patching gpe-contacts to work without dbus (I want to avoid tracking a desktop version of with all it's frequent API changes and stuff) |
| 23:23.53 | reenoo | s/of/of it/ |
| 23:25.08 | jnc | JustinP: where's a list of things that loadkeys will accept? |
| 23:25.23 | jnc | like it lists named keys, "F11, Return, Shift" etc. |
| 23:25.26 | jnc | where are those listed |
| 23:27.37 | JustinP | don't know |
| 23:27.49 | JustinP | I just took examples from the keymap I have |
| 23:28.03 | JustinP | damn it, whatever I do I *cannot* get Alt to function... |
| 23:28.20 | jnc | we need to add Alt mappings into the kernel keymap, i think |
| 23:28.24 | florian | reenoo: yes right... very cool. That would be worth some announcement on the mailinglist :-) |
| 23:28.35 | JustinP | jnc: I tried that, didn't help |
| 23:28.51 | jnc | 57 is mapped to Alt |
| 23:28.51 | jnc | eh |
| 23:29.03 | JustinP | unless you mean *kernel* and not just a loadkeys file |
| 23:29.11 | jnc | which um |
| 23:29.19 | jnc | ... which key is 57? |
| 23:29.22 | jnc | i can't find it heh |
| 23:29.28 | JustinP | I don't think we have it |
| 23:29.38 | JustinP | 69 is left japanese and 70 is right |
| 23:30.28 | JustinP | I'm using the right one for / and ` right now |
| 23:30.40 | jnc | that's an interesting point |
| 23:30.46 | jnc | the backtick is optional though |
| 23:30.50 | JustinP | ` is completely missing AFAIK |
| 23:30.51 | jnc | you can use $( ... ) |
| 23:30.55 | reenoo | florian: sure. I'll just submit that stuff to gentoo bugzilla first |
| 23:31.02 | JustinP | could easily be mapped to Fn-Q or something, though |
| 23:31.16 | jnc | true |
| 23:31.27 | florian | reenoo: great! |
| 23:33.13 | jnc | JustinP: privmsg, we'll go through the entire keymap |
