| 00:00.04 | pb_ | heh |
| 00:00.26 | pigeon | hehe... we have only 8 people here now anyway. |
| 00:01.10 | florian | i relly need some sleep - good night! |
| 00:01.15 | pigeon | nite florian |
| 00:05.13 | jserv2 | pigeon: hi ! |
| 00:05.23 | jserv2 | pigeon: congratulations ! |
| 00:05.48 | pigeon | jserv2: hi! thanks! |
| 00:06.07 | jserv2 | pigeon: so, wedding in Taiwan? :) |
| 00:06.22 | pigeon | jserv2: indeed... one in hk, one in tw in fact. |
| 00:07.08 | jserv2 | pigeon: it sounds sweet. |
| 00:08.23 | pigeon | going to have a lot of stuff to prepare... |
| 01:23.41 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 01:47.48 | joshua_ | pigeon, conggrats! |
| 01:47.53 | joshua_ | and congrats, too! |
| 01:48.04 | pigeon | joshua_: thanks :D |
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| 06:46.05 | rabies | how mature is GPE compared to OPIE? |
| 06:49.21 | rabies | maybe i should just ask tomorrow... |
| 07:28.08 | XorA | morning |
| 07:28.20 | Philippe | morning |
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| 07:55.20 | hrw|work | morning people |
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| 08:22.33 | koen | good morning all |
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| 08:28.50 | florian_hrz | hi all |
| 08:29.35 | koen | he florian_hrz |
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| 09:18.59 | koen | florian_hrz: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.18892.png |
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| 09:26.06 | koen | florian_hrz: http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/oe-commits/current/0585.html |
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| 09:30.59 | florian_hrz | koen: very nice... and this bugfix i'll try later today. |
| 09:31.10 | florian_hrz | pb_: good morning |
| 09:34.28 | pb_ | florian_hrz: good morning! |
| 09:35.08 | ade|desk | morning folks |
| 09:35.16 | koen | hey pb_ & ade|desk |
| 09:42.56 | ade|desk | just had a meeting with an HP guy, twas refreshing to see a sales bloke who knew about the kit he was showing (notebooks and pdas) |
| 09:43.17 | ade|desk | i like the hx4700 |
| 09:44.10 | XorA | ade|desk: buy me one while your at it :-) |
| 09:45.03 | koen | ade|desk: the best part: you can run linux on the hx4700 and it is actually *useable* |
| 09:45.04 | ade|desk | XorA: purchasing is not my dept ;) |
| 09:47.11 | ade|desk | alas the thing goes eol in this quarter :( |
| 09:47.56 | koen | I haven't seen it's replacement yet |
| 09:48.03 | koen | I'm wondering what that's going to be |
| 09:48.51 | XorA | koen: its about time handheldsw got more ram |
| 09:49.09 | koen | the >2 year old h5550 has 128MB |
| 09:49.40 | hrw|busy | koen: by default? |
| 09:49.44 | koen | yep |
| 09:49.52 | hrw|busy | nice |
| 09:49.57 | florian_hrz | Yeah... but it was very expensive... and that amount of ram is not good for the fifetime of the battery. |
| 09:51.30 | koen | hrw|busy: and wifi + bluetooth built in |
| 09:51.42 | koen | if it only had VGA |
| 09:51.43 | hrw|busy | koen: I know |
| 09:52.30 | koen | XorA: I run the gimp on the 5550 with the DISPLAY pointed to the 4700 :) |
| 09:54.49 | XorA | koen: has a 5550 128M? |
| 09:57.39 | florian_hrz | bbl |
| 10:10.49 | koen | XorA: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.22616.png |
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| 10:21.12 | XorA | koen: so it has one redeeming feature :-) |
| 10:26.16 | XorA | can anyone give me a quick summary of relationship between Makefile.am Makefile.in and Makefile |
| 10:26.40 | koen | pure autotools evil |
| 10:27.07 | Philippe_work | As far as I know Makefile.am is used to make Makefile.in, that will be used by ./configure to generate Makefile |
| 10:27.18 | XorA | Philippe_work: cool, thats what I thought |
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| 10:30.42 | florian_kc | re |
| 10:32.03 | XorA | Philippe_work: cheers, with that info I got it fixed |
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| 10:32.38 | Skyhusker | morning |
| 10:32.41 | Philippe_work | XorA, yippie! |
| 10:32.54 | Philippe_work | morning Skyhusker , and wb florian_kc |
| 10:33.03 | Skyhusker | hey Philippe |
| 10:33.04 | florian_kc | hi Philippe_work, hi Skyhusker |
| 10:33.08 | Skyhusker | hey florian_kc |
| 10:33.45 | koen | hey Skyhusker |
| 10:33.50 | Skyhusker | hey koen |
| 10:34.48 | Skyhusker | florian_kc: have you had time to read take a look at the patch i sent you yesterday night? |
| 10:35.42 | florian_kc | Skyhusker: Of course... i checked it in - many thanks. |
| 10:36.22 | Skyhusker | florian_kc: i mean the patch for saving/storing the playlist |
| 10:37.29 | florian_kc | eeks |
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| 10:38.09 | fng_sma | hi |
| 10:38.28 | Philippe_work | hi fng_sma |
| 10:38.42 | Skyhusker | hi fng_sma |
| 10:39.02 | florian_kc | Skyhusker: oh... i just opened my email application... that looks promising. |
| 10:39.16 | fng_sma | I just wanted to tell you, that I commited a new version of gpe-opensync. Actually there is not much magic in it, but it can already put some contacts into evolution (but not the other way round). |
| 10:39.29 | Philippe_work | fng_sma, that is a good start |
| 10:39.35 | florian_kc | Skyhusker: assuming .gpe exists is ok, gpe_application_init() takes care about this. |
| 10:39.56 | Skyhusker | florian_kc: excellent :) |
| 10:40.15 | florian_kc | fng_sma: Sounds goooood! |
| 10:40.27 | pb_ | fng_sma: very cool |
| 10:41.04 | fng_sma | The other way round shouldn't be that hard. I'm really looking forward to implement it! |
| 10:41.29 | florian_kc | Skyhusker: I'll take care about this in some minutes. |
| 10:41.58 | Skyhusker | florian_kc: many thanks :) |
| 10:44.30 | fng_sma | pb_: But there are some problems with libnsqlc: The german umlauts are not converted properly. |
| 10:46.53 | fng_sma | pb_: I'll try to figure out where the problem exactly is, or if it is even a problem from nsqld. |
| 10:47.15 | fng_sma | well, I need to go. have a nice day. |
| 10:47.43 | florian_kc | fng_sma: cu |
| 10:49.29 | XorA | is there a model I can feed through the scap script so it gets 640x480 unrotated FB right? |
| 10:50.54 | koen | XorA: be sure to use the updated scap script on top of hh.org/scap |
| 10:52.29 | koen | florian_kc: for some reason nmf isn't setting the same windowthing as mixer, so I can't minimize it with my matchbox-theme hack |
| 10:53.41 | XorA | koen: I am, look at result http://handhelds.org/scap/port.25659.png |
| 10:54.33 | koen | XorA: and you can run fbset? |
| 10:55.04 | hrw|busy | XorA: use fbgrab if scap does not work |
| 10:58.15 | XorA | koen: C7x0 Z's have fb's that can rotate in any direction |
| 10:58.28 | XorA | koen: scap assumes fb is always in portrait |
| 10:59.12 | koen | it should use fbset to get the orientation |
| 11:01.03 | florian_kc | koen: that shouldn't be too hard to fix. |
| 11:04.31 | florian_kc | koen: where did you find that checkin of the perl stuff... i just pulled and it didn't show up. |
| 11:05.29 | koen | maybe they didn't propagate it back |
| 11:09.44 | XorA | excellent gqview .bb done |
| 11:10.01 | hrw|busy | gqview? fu.. never liked that app |
| 11:10.15 | XorA | hrw|busy: ever suffered EOG? |
| 11:10.22 | hrw|busy | but maybe it was changed a lot after gnome 1.4 |
| 11:10.36 | hrw|busy | XorA: eog was worse |
| 11:11.23 | XorA | hrw|busy: gqview isnt a gnome app |
| 11:11.55 | hrw|busy | XorA: I used it in gnome 1.4 times |
| 11:17.44 | XorA | gimp on Z is insane :-) |
| 11:19.49 | koen | 'because we can' |
| 11:23.54 | XorA | koen: what section shoudl gqview go in? |
| 11:23.55 | florian_kc | koen: I just checked... it sets GDK_WINDOW_TYPE_HINT_TOOLBAR like gpe-mixer. |
| 11:24.17 | hrw|busy | koen: when we will get gnome? |
| 11:24.56 | koen | florian_kc: strange, must be a mb strangeness |
| 11:25.05 | koen | XorA: Opie/games ;) |
| 11:25.16 | koen | hrw|busy: we someone adds it |
| 11:25.34 | XorA | hrw|busy: a large chunk of gnome is there, just add the panel :-) |
| 11:26.11 | florian_kc | koen: indeed... |
| 11:26.22 | florian_kc | koen: like the Look&Feel failure... |
| 11:33.05 | pb_ | koen: inspect the two windows (nmf and mixer) with xprop, see if you can detect any property differences. |
| 11:33.18 | koen | XorA: I just realised that the gimp and gnumeric might get faster with softfloat |
| 11:33.33 | XorA | koen: well I use softfloat |
| 11:33.45 | XorA | koen: drawing in gimp is impossible |
| 11:35.27 | florian_kc | Skyhusker: it's in |
| 11:35.46 | Skyhusker | florian_kc: thanks a lot :) |
| 11:36.03 | florian_kc | Skyhusker: same to you :-) |
| 11:36.32 | XorA | koen: BTW gimp didnt get an icon :-( |
| 11:36.48 | koen | and it's called 'gnu image' |
| 11:37.12 | XorA | koen: oh yeah, just didnt show on my menu for some reason, its in the desktop folder though |
| 11:39.01 | koen | both have _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_TOOLBAR |
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| 11:54.40 | koen | florian_kc: I also notice nmf has a play *and* a pause button, which is a bit redundant |
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| 11:59.23 | pb_ | yeah, there's been an enhancement request outstanding for some time (from Colin, iirc) to make that into one context-sensitive button. |
| 12:04.06 | koen | stick this in the theme.xml to have a minimizable nmf: http://pastebin.com/327469 |
| 12:08.23 | Philippe_work | about context sensitive buttons. How do you replace the images in the button? |
| 12:08.27 | koen | I'll have to write a new wishlist after this week |
| 12:08.56 | Philippe_work | I just tried during my lunchbreak, and I can change the label, but I cannot find something to change the image that goes with the button |
| 12:09.10 | koen | nmf has improved, syncing will be awesome, mini-browser is sweet and we even have office apps |
| 12:09.55 | koen | and we even have a start for a manual |
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| 12:17.36 | florian_kc | Philippe_work: keep a pointer to the image in the buttin and update it from a pixbuf or file. |
| 12:18.38 | florian_kc | koen: a good theme... that's something for the wishlist. |
| 12:20.04 | Philippe_work | damn. I only have a pointer to the button... |
| 12:23.35 | florian_kc | you could traverse its children until you find a GtkImage... |
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| 12:25.18 | sageLin | hi |
| 12:25.42 | Philippe_work | florian_kc, hmm. I'll look deeper into that. |
| 12:25.47 | Philippe_work | hello sageLin |
| 12:26.21 | florian_kc | Vcard import in gpe-contacts is broken :-( |
| 12:26.27 | sageLin | locale-base-ru-ru-koi8-r_2.3.2+cvs20040726-r15_arm.ipk - i'm install it, but i not have russian interface! |
| 12:28.51 | sageLin | ??? |
| 12:28.57 | sageLin | what me do? |
| 12:32.40 | florian_kc | sageLin: You need to install thetranslation packages for any application... |
| 12:33.06 | florian_kc | sageLin: Did you create that file to select the language? |
| 12:33.42 | sageLin | florian_kc: no |
| 12:34.43 | sageLin | from: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPENewbie |
| 12:34.43 | sageLin | How can I get GPE in my own language? |
| 12:34.43 | sageLin | ipkg install locale-base-LL{+CC} |
| 12:36.46 | sageLin | ??? |
| 12:48.45 | florian_kc | koen: does familiar-0.8.3 set a cvsdate for minimo? |
| 12:51.03 | robtaylor | hey, does anyone know if any work's being done with gtk-webcore? |
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| 12:51.38 | pb_ | indeed, all the work is being done with gtk-webcore |
| 12:52.09 | mickeyl | florian_kc: ping |
| 12:52.15 | florian_kc | hi mickeyl |
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| 12:52.44 | robtaylor | pb_: should i just try building gpe-mini-browser then? |
| 12:52.49 | mickeyl | hi florian_kc. just a quick note for gpe-dm (and others as well), whereever you use "SHARP Spitz", please use "SHARP Spitz" | "SHARP Akita" instead |
| 12:52.52 | koen | florian_kc: minimo doesn't build anymore |
| 12:53.00 | pb_ | robtaylor: yah, I guess |
| 12:53.23 | robtaylor | and is the gtk-webcore sf cvs the current main repo for it? |
| 12:53.28 | florian_kc | koen: oh dear... do we have an open bug for this? |
| 12:54.09 | florian_kc | robtaylor: yes... thse guys seem to have a strange method to use it, but it seems to be in development. |
| 12:54.10 | koen | florian_kc: we have |
| 12:54.20 | koen | pkg-config is sucking up cpu for some dark reason |
| 12:54.46 | koen | http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193 |
| 12:55.13 | florian_kc | koen: hmm... we have a machine here which tries to build 20050519 which fails at patch stage. |
| 12:55.32 | florian_kc | koen: hrm.. that must be something different... |
| 12:56.11 | florian_kc | robtaylor: you could ask Kompo about the details... |
| 12:56.30 | koen | florian_kc: did you have a look at all the gpe-dm patches in OE? |
| 12:56.36 | robtaylor | florian_kc: ahh! thanks, good to see he's in here :) |
| 12:59.09 | florian_kc | koen: all?! i applied the Spitz one |
| 13:02.32 | koen | ah, false alarm |
| 13:02.32 | mickeyl | i have some problems with gpe on Spitz. several setting applications crash immediately after opening (i.e. Settings -> Screen Setup). Also, minilite closes when I touch the light bulb. |
| 13:02.48 | koen | it only has an extra collie suspend hack patch |
| 13:02.58 | mickeyl | florian_kc: please add the akita to gpe-dm |
| 13:03.08 | mickeyl | ah |
| 13:03.10 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 13:03.13 | koen | 15:02 < CIA-1> florian * gpe/base/gpe-dm/ (ChangeLog Xserver): Add support for Sharp Akita. |
| 13:03.14 | mickeyl | that was quick! :) |
| 13:03.29 | koen | mickeyl: does it use some strange backlight control? |
| 13:03.35 | koen | which is owned by root? |
| 13:03.52 | florian_kc | mickeyl: that's strange indeed... try to run the settings application from menu, for some reason that fixes a similar issue with look&feel. But please don't ask me why... |
| 13:04.12 | mickeyl | koen: possible. iirc it uses the 2.4 embedix /dev/sharp_fl |
| 13:04.40 | florian_kc | koen, mickeyl: That shouldn't make it die... |
| 13:04.44 | mickeyl | florian_kc: ok. BTW., the font sze for the start menu doesn't increase with the desktop font size. is that expected? |
| 13:05.09 | koen | that's expected |
| 13:05.20 | koen | I don't know how matchbox themes handle that |
| 13:05.24 | florian_kc | mickeyl: hmm... yes, i'd need to talk with mallum about this. |
| 13:05.47 | mickeyl | oki. oh and one last thing... the fixed font siz in the terminals... how can i enlarge this? |
| 13:06.40 | koen | mickeyl: start -> setting -> look & feel -> terminal |
| 13:06.50 | koen | or vi ~/.Xdefaults |
| 13:07.03 | koen | you need to log in & out iirc to apply it |
| 13:07.04 | mickeyl | we need to tweak the xmodmap as well |
| 13:07.10 | mickeyl | some keys are behaving strangely |
| 13:12.29 | Philippe_work | robtaylor, the sf cvs is indeed the main repo for gtk-webcore |
| 13:13.15 | hrw|busy | florian_kc: does someone added finally setting for fontname for terminal? |
| 13:13.22 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: thanks :) thats good to hear, as i'm building it right now ;) |
| 13:14.24 | florian_kc | hrw|busy: uh... not yet... |
| 13:14.37 | hrw|busy | florian_kc: it is in hh.org bugzilla |
| 13:14.53 | hrw|busy | florian_kc: or switch gpe-image to dejavu fonts ;) |
| 13:15.26 | koen | hrw|busy: dejavu for terminal is ugly |
| 13:15.46 | hrw|busy | koen: but more usable then vera |
| 13:15.48 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: are you working at nokia now? |
| 13:20.36 | Philippe_work | robtaylor, not yet. |
| 13:21.12 | Philippe_work | the exact starting date still has to be decided on. (their HR seems to be on holiday) |
| 13:21.41 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: heh, yeah everyone's been on holiday this last month =/ |
| 13:22.04 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: thats good to hear. do you know whose team you'll be in? |
| 13:23.17 | Philippe_work | my boss would be Sampsa Fabritius. (I would also be working with Tao (David) from Debian) |
| 13:23.35 | Philippe_work | I do not know if it rings a bell for you. |
| 13:26.30 | robtaylor | Philippe: dont think i've met Sampsa.. i guess thats distribution-level work then? |
| 13:27.31 | Philippe_work | robtaylor, the name escapes me, but it is the systems departement. |
| 13:27.57 | Philippe_work | robtaylor, you are also going to work/ already working for Nokia? |
| 13:28.42 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: i've had lots of cause to chat with them cos of the farsight stuff.. |
| 13:30.46 | koen | robtaylor: how's farsight coming along? |
| 13:30.54 | robtaylor | koen: which bit? ;) |
| 13:30.55 | koen | still having troubles with the gaim people? |
| 13:31.29 | robtaylor | koen: oh, we've pretty much got used to ignoring gaim, i'm afraid. its a little sad |
| 13:31.59 | robtaylor | koen: i have some intersting plans for desktop integrated im tho: have you seen ipcf.fd.o? |
| 13:32.03 | koen | ah, ferenc is back from holidays |
| 13:32.58 | robtaylor | koen: one of the farsight guys just finished off yahoo support for gaim-vv while doing it for farsight, maybe they'll take more notice when that patch goes in |
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| 13:33.04 | koen | robtaylor: I have a feeling you are going to like http://svn.o-hand.com/view/eds-dbus/trunk/ |
| 13:33.04 | robtaylor | =;) |
| 13:33.15 | robtaylor | koen: oh yeah, i already know about that ;) |
| 13:33.40 | koen | that diagram looks like it was made with omnigraffle |
| 13:33.44 | robtaylor | koen: and it makes me very happy ;) |
| 13:33.45 | koen | http://inhelsinki.nl/data/framework2.png |
| 13:34.03 | robtaylor | koen: yeah, that was drawn by one of the nokia guys |
| 13:34.12 | robtaylor | koen: its a *little* wrong |
| 13:34.41 | robtaylor | koen: http://farsight.sourceforge.net/IPCF.dia is my original |
| 13:36.33 | robtaylor | snap? |
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| 13:40.34 | hrw|busy | XorA: openoffice.org |
| 13:40.58 | hrw|busy | ;) |
| 13:41.01 | XorA | hrw|busy: :-D |
| 13:41.17 | XorA | hrw|busy: yeah I want to turn my PDA into a 386 running Windows Vista :-) |
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| 13:59.24 | koen | robtaylor: http://www.gettysfamily.org/wordpress |
| 13:59.49 | koen | ~lart netsplits |
| 14:01.46 | robtaylor | koen: woo you're back :) |
| 14:02.05 | robtaylor | mm yesm tolkien's been very splitty recently |
| 14:02.54 | koen | ipv6 isn't as stable as I like it to be |
| 14:04.10 | koen | robtaylor: are the kopete people buying into gstreamer? |
| 14:05.35 | hrw|busy | koen: zaurus + sharp camera? :) |
| 14:05.49 | koen | heh |
| 14:05.57 | koen | and how would I do wifi? |
| 14:06.10 | koen | stinking sharp products without wifi |
| 14:06.21 | robtaylor | koen: use a SL-6000? |
| 14:06.22 | robtaylor | ;) |
| 14:06.23 | robtaylor | heh |
| 14:06.58 | hrw|busy | heh.. I would like tosa even without wifi - I prefer portrait over landscape (but portrait on clamshell suxx) |
| 14:07.11 | koen | much faster and with a kernel that isn't made by locking monkeys in a room |
| 14:07.27 | mickeyl | true enough |
| 14:08.01 | ||cw | hey now, don't knock the monkeys |
| 14:08.59 | robtaylor | koen: not having much look with that link/ |
| 14:09.33 | koen | robtaylor: http://planet.freedesktop.org/ and scoll down till you read SNAP |
| 14:10.39 | koen | robtaylor: it's basically X on steroids |
| 14:10.59 | koen | you can point your app to any display you want and migrate wihtout troubles |
| 14:12.09 | robtaylor | mmm. i think i should start blogging about ipcf.. :/ |
| 14:12.29 | robtaylor | just reading the paper now ;) |
| 14:12.47 | koen | I wonder how we can integrate galago with GPE |
| 14:13.46 | robtaylor | koen: well i guess it'll be similar to integrating galago with hildon... |
| 14:13.47 | robtaylor | ;) |
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| 14:16.14 | robtaylor | koen: galago is just the presence manager, thers nothing special you need to do with it, per se |
| 14:16.28 | robtaylor | koen: the interesting stuff is what to do in ui-land |
| 14:17.07 | robtaylor | koen: i've kinda had in mind a panel icon for controlling your presence |
| 14:19.08 | koen | robtaylor: I wonder how to handle the "I'm switching to pda" case |
| 14:19.46 | robtaylor | koen: oh. that. |
| 14:20.20 | robtaylor | koen: that's a good question, and one that gives me the willies =) |
| 14:20.36 | koen | that is *the* use case for me |
| 14:21.49 | robtaylor | one thing we were thinking about was having the client on the pda be in the same session as your desktop (*somehow*) and shaing the session dbus over ssh |
| 14:22.23 | robtaylor | that might be complete crack though, i have no idea. but any ideas you ahve, please come note them on the ipcf wiki ;) |
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| 14:25.04 | CoreDump|home | hi all, which file do I need to hack to allow for a correct rotation (xrandr -o right) on Akita? I see there's /etc/X11/Xinit.d/*zaurus and *xrandr |
| 14:25.46 | CoreDump|home | only god knows where xrands is coming from |
| 14:26.04 | koen | CoreDump|home: florian added akita support: http://handhelds.org:8080/gpe/chngview?cn=351 |
| 14:26.35 | CoreDump|home | ah great :) thx |
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| 14:27.56 | florian_kc | hrw|busy: ok |
| 14:28.11 | florian_kc | koen: ferenc is back? that's good news! |
| 14:28.21 | reenoo | afternoon |
| 14:28.55 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 14:29.12 | reenoo | hi koen |
| 14:29.15 | koen | florian_kc: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=48 |
| 14:31.29 | florian_kc | koen: good :-) |
| 14:31.35 | florian_kc | hi reenoo |
| 14:31.40 | reenoo | moin florian_kc |
| 14:31.53 | koen | hmmm |
| 14:32.02 | koen | nmf could use a lower nice value |
| 14:32.24 | reenoo | http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200508020657 |
| 14:33.41 | florian_kc | reenoo: very good :-) |
| 14:38.05 | reenoo | hrm, I wished ipkg didn't support installing to anything but / or did the symlinking itself |
| 14:39.01 | reenoo | the average user fails to understand what he/she is doing by installing to a non-root location |
| 14:40.21 | florian_kc | reenoo: indeed... it shouldn't be that hard to make it create these links. maybe talk with pigi about this. |
| 14:41.35 | XorA | reenoo: and worse, you have to ipkg install -d blah xxx.ipk ; ipkg-link add xxx; ipkg configure |
| 14:41.41 | XorA | reenoo: to make a lot of packages work |
| 14:44.57 | koen | note to self: don't view 8MP pictures on a pda |
| 14:46.20 | reenoo | florian_kc: will do |
| 14:46.40 | reenoo | XorA: yeah, the postinst scripts are another related problem |
| 14:46.54 | XorA | koen: someone mailed me a 4MP BMP image once, I wondered why loading it killed my 5500 for half an hour |
| 14:48.55 | hrw|busy | what about 5MP? |
| 14:49.46 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: hey, i'm gettinga crash in gpe-mini-browser(cvs) where gtk_progress_bar_set_fraction is being called with NaN.. dont suppose you know anything about that? |
| 14:52.22 | Philippe_work | robtaylor, no. That is the first bug report I get. |
| 14:52.46 | Philippe_work | Which gtk-webcore version did you use? |
| 14:53.22 | Philippe_work | As I am using the fixed cvs date from the OE builds |
| 14:54.21 | Philippe_work | (and I guess you mean Not a Number with Nan) |
| 14:54.26 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: ah, maybe i should do that |
| 14:54.29 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: yep |
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| 14:54.41 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: i just used nrcore head |
| 14:55.18 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: what date is that? (i dont have an oe checkout to hand..) |
| 14:55.44 | reenoo | 20050430 |
| 14:55.57 | robtaylor | reenoo: cool, thanks :) |
| 14:56.23 | Philippe_work | robtaylor, looking at the progressbar code however I have no clue how that could happen. |
| 14:57.18 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: mm hangon, i'll get you more details |
| 14:57.38 | koen | robtaylor: http://ipcf.freedesktop.org/wiki/Suggestions |
| 14:58.04 | robtaylor | koen: dude :) |
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| 15:00.33 | hrw|busy | 'Jabber has something like 'location', but I haven't seen it being used much' - locations are nice |
| 15:01.00 | koen | actually it's 'resource' now I have gaim opened |
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| 15:01.29 | hrw|busy | koen: yep.. resource |
| 15:02.18 | hrw|busy | I use 'work' and 'home' (very rarely also 'husky') - so anyone can mesg me to one of locations (or I can send mesg for me to work from home and vice versa) |
| 15:03.11 | koen | I should look into jabber some more |
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| 15:06.14 | reenoo | koen: what's that page with instructions on how to upload to unstable again? |
| 15:07.04 | koen | http://www.handhelds.org/contributing.html |
| 15:07.25 | koen | in short: 'ipkg-upload <file>' |
| 15:08.50 | reenoo | thanks. I'll have a look at that |
| 15:12.08 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: ah, no worse than that its being called on an invalid pointer :0 |
| 15:14.08 | robtaylor | mm. great, this makes no sense, pointer is right in one frame, 'this' is wrong in the next. joy |
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| 15:15.20 | Philippe_work | robtaylor, which pointer? |
| 15:15.33 | Philippe_work | there is no 'this' in my code. |
| 15:16.40 | Philippe_work | I guess it is the WebiLoadStatus *status pointer you mean. |
| 15:16.51 | Philippe_work | Coming from gtk-webcore? |
| 15:17.00 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: its occuring in MyRoot::internalStatusStart, in gtk-webcore, sorry ;) |
| 15:17.45 | robtaylor | i'm just gonna build with the oe date for now, hope that works. :) |
| 15:17.58 | robtaylor | (i'll bugfix at home, ;)) |
| 15:18.25 | Philippe_work | Well it is what I thougth then. A library error. |
| 15:28.04 | robtaylor | Philippe_work: ah, didn't mean to scare you, 'course its library ;) |
| 15:29.05 | koen | ah, luc is back too :) |
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| 15:29.30 | florian_kc | yep :-) |
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| 15:46.55 | koen | hrw|busy: could you paste some eleet utf8? |
| 15:48.03 | hrw|busy | koen: non-utf8 terminal here |
| 15:48.11 | hrw|busy | Ä…Ä…Ä…Ä… |
| 15:48.11 | XorA | áéíóú |
| 15:49.02 | koen | ok, failure |
| 15:49.29 | CoreDump|home | XorA: was that UTF8? |
| 15:50.26 | florian_kc | hi pb_, hi tigrux |
| 15:50.44 | pb_ | hi florian_kc |
| 15:50.45 | pb_ | hi tigrux |
| 15:51.14 | koen | hey tigrux |
| 15:51.21 | tigrux | Hello. |
| 15:53.20 | hrw|busy | cu |
| 15:53.46 | XorA | CoreDump|home: nah, it wont have been, this is *doze |
| 16:04.26 | reenoo | ~lart monotone |
| 16:05.09 | pb_ | heh |
| 16:05.10 | pb_ | hi reenoo |
| 16:05.45 | Philippe_work | ~lart clearcase for making life so frustrating |
| 16:05.49 | reenoo | hey pb_ |
| 16:07.02 | reenoo | pb_: monotone merge presents me with a nice vimdiff of two temp files again. |
| 16:09.14 | pb_ | doh |
| 16:24.59 | robtaylor | god i *hate* c++ |
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| 17:03.08 | rabies | hi |
| 17:03.27 | rabies | hi |
| 17:05.27 | rabies | hey, i was wondering, how mature is opie vs gpe? |
| 17:07.30 | florian_kc | rabies: We like GPE, Opie is evil ;-) |
| 17:07.41 | rabies | mmm |
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| 17:07.44 | rabies | go figure ;) |
| 17:07.47 | Philippe | robtaylor, good work! |
| 17:08.01 | Philippe | robtaylor, does it work now for you? |
| 17:08.20 | rabies | does it work? any major glitches? there a mail client? :) |
| 17:08.45 | rabies | gaim |
| 17:08.50 | rabies | wtf |
| 17:08.57 | rabies | okay, gnome hates me now |
| 17:10.02 | rabies | florian_kc: its your turn to talk =P |
| 17:12.21 | florian_kc | sorry... |
| 17:12.38 | rabies | you're on irc, what could there be thats more important than a comparison? =D |
| 17:13.01 | Philippe | rabies, coding interesting new features :-) |
| 17:13.45 | rabies | oo |
| 17:13.58 | rabies | okay, i conceed |
| 17:14.01 | rabies | that is more important :) |
| 17:14.19 | rabies | mainly i just wanted to know if there was a ssh and mail client for gpe |
| 17:14.27 | rabies | cause i couldnt find them on the website |
| 17:15.24 | Philippe | ssh yes, mail client not really. Sylpheed is available but on the small screens is not really usable (AFAIK) |
| 17:15.37 | rabies | oh...thats kinda important for me... |
| 17:15.39 | rabies | =\ |
| 17:16.06 | Philippe | Well opie hasn' t got one either I think |
| 17:16.14 | florian_kc | rabies: We wait for someone like you to code a cool email client for 240x320 screens. |
| 17:16.17 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 17:16.20 | rabies | heh |
| 17:16.26 | rabies | as soon as i learn a language ill let you know |
| 17:16.47 | florian_kc | rabies: learn C! |
| 17:17.16 | rabies | http://opie.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/OpieMail |
| 17:17.36 | rabies | just port their UI to GTK+ =D |
| 17:18.32 | rabies | ah, my end-user knownothingness makes it sound easy does it.. |
| 17:18.34 | rabies | doesnt* |
| 17:19.23 | Philippe | rabies, ok Opie has one. Now I know! |
| 17:19.37 | robtaylor | Philippe: no, i stupidly upgraded to gcc-4, and now am having lots of issues :/ |
| 17:20.15 | rabies | Philippe: i suppose so |
| 17:20.19 | Philippe | there are packages for it normally (koen put it in the snapshots anyway) |
| 17:20.47 | rabies | i cant imagine compiling on a 200 mhz processor |
| 17:20.50 | rabies | that would suck |
| 17:20.58 | Philippe | rabies, we don' t :-) |
| 17:21.21 | rabies | what do you use for strongarm compiling? |
| 17:21.40 | Philippe | robtaylor, I could also update the arm packages in the www.handhelds.org/~philippe location |
| 17:22.01 | Philippe | rabies, we cross-compile. We use a compiler that generates arm code on an x86 machine |
| 17:22.21 | robtaylor | Philippe: i'm compiling straight on debian right now |
| 17:22.32 | rabies | ah, sounds much faster |
| 17:23.03 | Philippe | rabies, the compiling itself yes. Getting it to compile like that is usually a bit harder |
| 17:24.22 | Philippe | robtaylor, I need to package gtk-webcore anyway (and having hildon-ized gpe-mini-browser that one is already almost available as deb package) |
| 17:24.33 | rabies | heh |
| 17:26.15 | robtaylor | Philippe: 'already almost availiable' ? |
| 17:26.33 | robtaylor | Philippe: are you going to package against sid? |
| 17:26.53 | Philippe | robtaylor, that was my intention anyway. |
| 17:50.21 | robtaylor | Philippe: ok, in which case i'll send some pactches your way |
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| 18:15.12 | florian | re |
| 18:20.13 | koen | florian: wb |
| 18:29.45 | koen | florian: which app will feature in tonight's #gpe makeover? |
| 18:30.20 | XorA|gone | koen: who gets the mega phone? |
| 18:31.15 | koen | me! me! me! me! |
| 18:31.48 | XorA|gone | actually Ive seen pics that may be you, you'd make a good Ty |
| 18:32.31 | florian | koen: No app today i think, the plan so far is to work on the netvista image and the documentation. |
| 18:33.04 | reenoo | world domination. fast. |
| 18:33.07 | reenoo | :) |
| 18:33.34 | florian | And to find out why my O2 dislikes kernels > 2.6.8 |
| 18:34.05 | reenoo | heh. oh dear |
| 18:34.27 | reenoo | florian: wrt Oldenburg.. you gonna come? |
| 18:36.30 | reenoo | as far as new apps are concerned: |
| 18:36.33 | reenoo | http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rwagner/pyblosxom.cgi/computers/gpe/1.html |
| 18:38.07 | florian | reenoo: that's the plan... i don't think someone will prevent me from coming. |
| 18:38.23 | reenoo | florian: hehe. very good :) |
| 18:40.26 | florian | reenoo: very nice... do we have this in gpe-task-games? |
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| 19:41.31 | mimecar | hi |
| 19:41.36 | koen | hey mimecar |
| 19:41.46 | mimecar | hi koen |
| 19:45.45 | mimecar | koen: do you know if there're videos related with gpe ? |
| 19:45.52 | koen | ? |
| 19:46.31 | mimecar | some video with gpe features |
| 19:46.48 | mimecar | similar to a screenshot with video |
| 19:48.27 | reenoo | florian: not yet I guess |
| 19:48.56 | koen | mallum had a flash movie somewhere |
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| 19:50.09 | mimecar | I have problem writing large phrases |
| 19:50.14 | reenoo | pb_: wb |
| 19:50.24 | pb_ | hi reenoo |
| 19:50.33 | mimecar | hi pb_ |
| 19:50.40 | pb_ | hi mimecar |
| 19:51.43 | reenoo | pb_: thanks for your botmail btw. I'm afraid I'm not exactly sure what CPPFLAGS is supposed to be used for and how it relates to CFLAGS. |
| 19:52.43 | pb_ | reenoo: theoretically, CPPFLAGS would contain all the -I and -D flags, and CFLAGS would contain options like -O and -g that are specific to the compiler. |
| 19:53.20 | pb_ | afaict, oe's default bitbake.conf sticks CPPFLAGS inside CFLAGS, presumably for the benefit of packages that ignore the former variable. But, this means that packages which respect it end up with two copies. |
| 19:53.49 | reenoo | ah, ok |
| 19:55.17 | reenoo | not sure then. I guess we should avoid the duplication though. |
| 19:56.01 | pb_ | yeah |
| 19:57.00 | pb_ | from a purist point of view, we should leave CPPFLAGS alone, and have autotools.bbclass strip that stuff back out of CFLAGS. But, pragmatically, that wouldn't have helped with packages like osb-jscore, so perhaps getting rid of CPPFLAGS is a better idea. |
| 19:57.38 | pb_ | I guess that's an issue for kergoth, really. |
| 19:58.56 | reenoo | hehe. yeah |
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| 20:57.48 | reenoo | bleh |
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| 20:58.08 | reenoo | ~lart manual trial and error gui hacking |
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| 21:00.07 | mimecar | re |
| 21:02.25 | florian | hi mimecar |
| 21:02.30 | florian | reenoo: heh |
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| 21:10.49 | reenoo | florian: the toolkit is somewhat poorly documented and building this app takes ages |
| 21:12.09 | reenoo | http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/htk/ |
| 21:18.44 | florian | reenoo: uh... functional gui programming... |
| 21:19.21 | reenoo | sort of |
| 21:19.35 | reenoo | not purely functional since this is all inside IO monads |
| 21:20.09 | florian | hmm right |
| 21:22.07 | reenoo | well, I just wished I could use Gtk2Hs :) |
| 21:22.21 | florian | :-) |
| 21:22.29 | reenoo | and glade of course |
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| 21:23.17 | reenoo | heh. no java involved |
| 21:23.23 | florian | That was a pain... |
| 21:23.27 | reenoo | this is for work after all :( |
| 21:23.32 | reenoo | :) even |
| 21:24.05 | florian | reenoo: for work... i hope they pay good ;-) |
| 21:24.37 | reenoo | well. as a "Studentische Hilfskraft". usual student salaries |
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| 21:33.06 | florian | I do this too... but mostly for fun, even if i worked fulltime we couldn't libe from this job. |
| 21:33.28 | florian | phew... our mailserver still works. |
| 21:45.25 | florian | Philippe: yeah... thats a little bit nasty, but the new API ich much better in design and results in better toolbars. |
| 21:45.59 | florian | The new one splits several complex functions into more simple ones. |
| 21:46.58 | Philippe | It does. now I can cleany implement my toggeling refresh/stop button I hope. |
| 21:47.10 | Philippe | I cannot find a way to put space in however... |
| 21:47.19 | koen | woohoo! |
| 21:47.32 | koen | it's like a week long christmas! |
| 21:47.39 | mimecar | are you developing new controls ? |
| 21:47.52 | reenoo | koen: ? |
| 21:48.19 | koen | reenoo: my wishlist for gpe is rapidly shrinking |
| 21:48.34 | florian | Philippe: There is an extra separator item for this purpose... |
| 21:48.45 | florian | koen: ! |
| 21:49.19 | Philippe | thanks florian! |
| 21:49.47 | mimecar | florian: is there some screenshots with that components or they're only a design? |
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| 21:50.46 | reenoo | koen: ah, heh. excellent :) |
| 21:51.08 | florian | mimecar: For the new toolbar API? |
| 21:51.20 | mimecar | yes |
| 21:51.50 | reenoo | heh. screenshots of an API. |
| 21:51.57 | reenoo | nm |
| 21:52.19 | Philippe | mimecar, no. I am using the new gtk toolbar API to do some more stuff with the gpe-helpviewer toolbar. |
| 21:52.26 | mimecar | ok ok |
| 21:52.49 | mimecar | reenoo: it could exist some screenshots |
| 21:52.53 | Philippe | s/gpe-helpviewer/gpe-mini-browser |
| 21:53.14 | florian | hmm wait, |
| 21:54.24 | florian | http://handhelds.org/~gpe/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Applications&id=port_20691 |
| 21:55.01 | mimecar | florian: ok |
| 21:55.23 | florian | Thats a toolbar with an icon which stays right... that's something which only the new api does. |
| 21:55.46 | mimecar | would be possible change colum size pushing and moving stylus ? |
| 21:55.53 | florian | And it adds items to a dropdown menu if there isn't enough space for all of them. |
| 21:55.53 | mimecar | instead a fixed size ? |
| 21:56.01 | reenoo | mimecar: the API changes hardly affect the visual result. |
| 21:56.41 | florian | mimecar: In gpe-todo? that should be possible... |
| 21:57.35 | mimecar | florian: in gpe-todo colum size adapts themselve to text lenght |
| 21:58.11 | mimecar | but some times, text is larger than screen, if you can resize the column, you will cut text, but you will show the other colums |
| 21:58.11 | reenoo | florian: happen to know if it's possible to influence the icon size btw? the icons in gpe-mileage and gpe-life (both using libglade) are bigger than those of other gpe apps... |
| 21:59.43 | florian | mimecar: hmm indeed, i need to try this. |
| 22:00.36 | florian | reenoo: yes there is a setting for this. But i didn't manage to do this with glade the last time i tried, gkdial suffers from the same effect. |
| 22:01.06 | mimecar | florian: or move column position, for example, status, description and date |
| 22:01.29 | florian | reenoo: That should be set with xsettings, but it looks like glade wants to set this to a fixed value. |
| 22:02.18 | reenoo | florian: yeah, xsettings don't appear to have any effect. |
| 22:02.46 | reenoo | florian: the dropdown thingy doesn't happen here either |
| 22:03.27 | reenoo | (which sucks a bit since I'll need that for another app) |
| 22:03.37 | florian | reenoo: looks like libglade is still using the old api... |
| 22:04.04 | reenoo | I think I upgraded it a while back |
| 22:04.09 | reenoo | in OE that is |
| 22:04.42 | reenoo | s/upgraded it/upgrade the libglade .bb to a more recent version/ |
| 22:04.49 | reenoo | upgraded even |
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| 22:39.36 | JustinP | I'm looking for a command-line utilit to turn on/off the backlight (or turn off/on the screen) while running GPE on my Zaurus (Spitz) |
| 22:39.55 | koen | ehm |
| 22:40.00 | koen | does 'bl' work? |
| 22:40.17 | JustinP | "unable to open /dev/touchscreen/0" |
| 22:40.20 | koen | lardman was working on adapting it for zaurusses |
| 22:40.46 | mickeyl | JustinP: bitbake sltools |
| 22:40.51 | JustinP | I know if course that it's possible as Opie does it and I think *something* in gpe does it |
| 22:40.53 | mickeyl | then use slbl |
| 22:40.56 | JustinP | mickeyl: thanks |
| 22:40.59 | mickeyl | better fix minilite though |
| 22:41.08 | JustinP | (geez there are a lot of the same people in here ;-) |
| 22:41.12 | koen | :) |
| 22:41.12 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 22:41.14 | JustinP | minilite is command-line? |
| 22:41.17 | koen | nope |
| 22:41.19 | koen | panelapp |
| 22:41.20 | mickeyl | no, that's the GPE util |
| 22:41.28 | JustinP | then that's not what I want |
| 22:41.31 | mickeyl | k |
| 22:41.35 | koen | 'bl' is still ipaq-ish |
| 22:41.48 | JustinP | I want command-line so that I can make the screen turn off when I close the top |
| 22:41.50 | mickeyl | slbl in sltools uses the 2.4.x-embedix /dev/sharp_fl so it should work |
| 22:41.57 | mickeyl | (i wrote it) |
| 22:42.04 | mickeyl | (so it will definitly not work ;) |
| 22:42.22 | JustinP | ok...:-| |
| 22:42.54 | JustinP | I already have auto-rotation working for my Spitz in GPE. |
| 22:42.56 | mickeyl | just kidding, it works on all 2.4 Zaurii |
| 22:43.36 | JustinP | it's not a GPE patch or anything, though....I'm not sure where it's "supposed" to be done |
| 22:44.04 | JustinP | I set up lineakd to catch the hinge button and set up a shell script to call xrandr based on the output of chkhinge |
| 22:44.28 | JustinP | works great |
| 22:45.24 | JustinP | mickeyl: nothing ptovides sltools |
| 22:45.42 | JustinP | ah, slutils |
| 22:46.09 | mickeyl | ah ye |
| 22:46.35 | JustinP | sltime? |
| 22:46.45 | JustinP | damn that's fast |
| 22:47.03 | mickeyl | forget sltime |
| 22:47.10 | mickeyl | we are using a different method now |
| 22:47.15 | mickeyl | to save/restore time between reboots |
| 22:47.18 | JustinP | looks like it's going to end up in my init.d, though... |
| 22:47.52 | mickeyl | i probably should remove it from slutils |
| 22:47.57 | mickeyl | or package more fine granular |
| 22:49.28 | JustinP | so where is the auto-rotation supposed to happen? or is there no auto-rotation in GPE? |
| 22:49.41 | koen | no autorotation |
| 22:49.53 | JustinP | ah |
| 22:49.58 | JustinP | well my hack gives that :-) |
| 22:50.06 | JustinP | it requires lineakd, but oh well |
| 22:50.07 | hrw | JustinP: gpe was written for ipaq.. |
| 22:50.31 | koen | yep |
| 22:50.38 | koen | and we're slowly changing that |
| 22:51.12 | JustinP | well where *should* it happen is what I suppose I should ask....should I propose my hack be used somehow? |
| 22:51.26 | JustinP | It could possibly be packaged somehow... |
| 22:51.32 | koen | I have no idea |
| 22:51.38 | koen | send it to the gpe mailinglist |
| 22:52.07 | reenoo | does the hinge key send a key event in X? |
| 22:52.12 | JustinP | yep |
| 22:52.14 | JustinP | keycode 110 |
| 22:52.21 | JustinP | at least on my Spitz |
| 22:52.34 | JustinP | lineakd grabs that and runs my shell script |
| 22:52.38 | reenoo | should be possible to have keylaunch take care of that then |
| 22:52.39 | koen | keylaunch shits itself if you map it with xmodmap and try to use it |
| 22:52.46 | reenoo | heh |
| 22:53.12 | hrw | under 2.6.11 is was F13-F16 iirc.. now (2.6.13-rc3-mm3) it is EV_SW os sth like that |
| 22:53.23 | hrw | ~crse kaylaunch |
| 22:53.26 | hrw | ~curse kaylaunch |
| 22:53.26 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, kaylaunch ! |
| 22:54.29 | JustinP | heh....too bad I didn't know about thay before I spent all that time working on lineak.....argh! |
| 22:55.22 | florian | It should be easy to replace keylaunch, we only need to write a different backend for gpe-conf keys to use the matchbox key stuff. |
| 22:55.51 | florian | then the only place we need keylaunch is the login screen. |
| 22:56.16 | koen | matchbox doesn't support key hold actions |
| 22:56.46 | koen | that's the biggest reason why we still use keylaunch |
| 22:57.18 | reenoo | not quite |
| 22:57.43 | reenoo | matchbox doesn't run when gpe-login does |
| 22:58.09 | reenoo | so it's a bit difficult for it to catch key events at that point ;) |
| 22:58.40 | koen | I'm not a real big fan of key-holding |
| 22:58.49 | koen | it hides functionality |
| 22:59.25 | Philippe | Yippie! I managed to get the stop/reload button toggeling to work... pfff lots of code-rewrite for that new gtk toolbar api stuff |
| 22:59.38 | florian | Its only used to toggle the baklight which is ok and very useful imho. |
| 23:00.22 | florian | Its a nice feature and easy to keep in mind, but you can live without knowing it. |
| 23:01.11 | florian | Philippe: you should be able to use the new api in hildon too... |
| 23:01.50 | Philippe | florian, indeed. But I duplicated some of the stuff in the main interface. |
| 23:02.10 | Philippe | As I now changed the backend, I need to fix that too for Hildon. |
| 23:02.39 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 23:02.47 | koen | 'night reenoo |
| 23:02.53 | koen | good idea |
| 23:02.54 | florian | I'm convinced that many ipaq users will miss it... and mallum refused to implement it. thats my only reason not to sart right now... |
| 23:03.02 | koen | 'night all |
| 23:03.16 | florian | koen: good night |
| 23:03.21 | Philippe | night koen |
| 23:03.43 | mimecar | night ko |
| 23:03.45 | mimecar | en |
| 23:11.14 | pb_ | yeah, matchbox is (unfortunately) not a complete replacement for keylaunch's functionality |
| 23:12.01 | pb_ | anything that involves losing the backlight toggle and screen lock functionality would be bad news. |
| 23:14.00 | JustinP | how can I negate this shell if: if slbl | grep -q 0; then |
| 23:14.01 | mimecar | is there some app for email ? |
| 23:14.06 | JustinP | sylpheed |
| 23:14.21 | mimecar | I need install libx11 |
| 23:14.52 | florian | pb_: yes... screen lock could be done by a combination, but light toggle is something special. |
| 23:15.25 | pb_ | florian: iirc, matchbox doesn't support arbitrary key combinations either. |
| 23:15.50 | mimecar | JustinP: libx11-6 (>) 6.2.1.... |
| 23:16.21 | florian | pb_: indeed? that would be a pain... |
| 23:16.38 | pb_ | yeah |
| 23:16.48 | pb_ | I think it just understands single keystrokes, and keystroke+modifier. |
| 23:16.48 | florian | pb_: is there something else we could use to improve the current situation? |
| 23:16.52 | JustinP | mimecar: ok.....so install it? |
| 23:17.18 | mimecar | it look there is not on feed |
| 23:17.18 | pb_ | florian: not that I know of |
| 23:18.46 | Philippe | hmm, with the new gtk toolbar API my buttons are larger... |
| 23:19.08 | mimecar | is useful write programs with pygtk ? |
| 23:19.30 | mimecar | I mean, is an alternative to c ? |
| 23:19.38 | florian | Philippe: huh |
| 23:19.45 | pb_ | mimecar: it depends on the situation |
| 23:19.58 | florian | pb_: :-/ |
| 23:20.01 | mimecar | i would like write some small programs |
| 23:20.05 | pb_ | pygtk is a good way to prototype applications, and it might be an appropriate deployment strategy in some cases. |
| 23:20.45 | mimecar | without work with c |
| 23:21.06 | mimecar | pb_: i would like make a program with some dialogs and some functions |
| 23:21.38 | JustinP | mickeyl: is there a way to shut off the screen entirely? |
| 23:22.12 | Philippe | florian, indeed... huh? |
| 23:22.27 | pb_ | mimecar: the advantages of writing in python are that code is quick to develop, there is no need for (cross-)compilation, and it isn't C. The disadvantages are that you need the Python runtime, which is quite large, and performance is generally not as good as you would get when writing in C. |
| 23:22.33 | Philippe | I need to test it on target but in my simulation environment and in Maemo they are bigger |
| 23:23.05 | pb_ | mimecar: if you are developing a custom application for a dedicated device, the runtime footprint is probably not an issue, and the advantages of not having to write in C will probably outweigh the speed penalty. |
| 23:23.56 | pb_ | if you are developing a general-purpose application for public consumption, the sitation may be different: users on small machines will generally not be keen on installing Python just to run one program. |
| 23:23.59 | mimecar | pb_: I want write a calculator for microcontroller timers |
| 23:24.19 | pb_ | ah, that does sound quite specialised |
| 23:24.20 | mimecar | a small application for my work |
| 23:24.30 | mimecar | it's only a formula |
| 23:24.30 | pb_ | in that case, pygtk would be an ideal technology to use |
| 23:24.52 | mimecar | pygtk works equal to linux version, aren't you? |
| 23:25.02 | pb_ | sorry, I don't understand |
| 23:25.21 | mimecar | the same functions will run on pc side and zaurus side |
| 23:25.25 | pb_ | yes |
| 23:25.48 | mimecar | after, will be possible convert a python program into c ? |
| 23:26.21 | pb_ | there's no (useful) mechanical translation, so you would have to rewrite your code by hand. |
| 23:27.20 | mimecar | ok |
| 23:27.25 | mimecar | that's interesting |
| 23:27.33 | florian | hmm.. translating python to c, that would be a project ;-) |
| 23:27.34 | mimecar | I will play with python |
| 23:30.10 | pb_ | very good |
| 23:31.09 | mimecar | it works |
| 23:31.10 | mimecar | http://www.handhelds.org/scap/port.11671.png |
| 23:31.29 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:31.46 | mimecar | pygtk wants some extra files |
| 23:32.22 | mimecar | i can start gpe format -> vcal converter now |
| 23:32.26 | mimecar | :) |
| 23:32.33 | mimecar | gpe calendar -> vcal |
| 23:32.56 | mimecar | I think I saq a sqlite module |
| 23:33.47 | pb_ | doesn't libgpevtype already know how to do that? |
| 23:34.02 | mimecar | pb_: no idea |
| 23:34.28 | mimecar | I can import vcard in contacts |
| 23:34.35 | mimecar | but i can't import vcal files |
| 23:34.37 | pb_ | not that the code is terribly complicated, but it might be better to use that rather than writing something new |
| 23:35.03 | mimecar | it use an sql interface, aren't you ? |
| 23:35.06 | pb_ | what happens when you try to import a vcal? |
| 23:35.09 | pb_ | does it just not work at all? |
| 23:35.12 | mimecar | yes |
| 23:35.24 | pb_ | is there any error message? |
| 23:35.33 | mimecar | I didn't remember know |
| 23:35.35 | mimecar | now |
| 23:35.53 | mimecar | I can import some file tomorrow and then, save the error |
| 23:36.06 | pb_ | okay, sounds good |
| 23:36.11 | florian | hrm.. i wonder why this stupid docbook compiler never exits. |
| 23:36.20 | mimecar | florian: on zaurus ? |
| 23:36.28 | pb_ | florian: that does sound bad |
| 23:36.45 | mimecar | I haven't problems with docbook on pc |
| 23:37.14 | florian | mimecar: no.. on my pc |
| 23:37.27 | mimecar | what problems do you have ? |
| 23:38.01 | Philippe | oef : http://handhelds.org:8080/gpe/chngview?cn=356 |
| 23:38.18 | florian | actually i don't really know what i'm doing... i found a nice compilation script in the docbook howto. |
| 23:38.45 | mimecar | I have use docbook and kate sgml mode |
| 23:39.04 | mimecar | you dojn't know how are you doing that, aren't you ? |
| 23:39.16 | mimecar | night Philippe |
| 23:39.23 | florian | Philippe: good night |
| 23:39.45 | mimecar | can xterm run without scrollbars ? |
| 23:40.01 | Philippe | night all |
| 23:40.38 | florian | mimecar: well.. i know some basics about the markup language now, but i don't know that much about how the output files from the sgml file are created. |
| 23:40.52 | mimecar | I have work with docbook |
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| 23:41.03 | mimecar | I will have free time on saturday |
| 23:41.31 | mimecar | I think I would be able to write a "docbook for dummies" :p |
| 23:41.52 | mimecar | isn't hard |
| 23:41.59 | florian | :-) |
| 23:42.16 | florian | i'll check in the stuff including the script... |
| 23:44.03 | mimecar | well, good night |
| 23:46.15 | florian | good night |
