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| 00:43.22 | florian | good night |
| 00:43.30 | reenoo | 'night florian |
| 01:24.45 | reenoo | 'night all |
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| 09:29.09 | leoncamel | hi |
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| 10:25.59 | koen | good morning all |
| 10:29.31 | priest_ux | вл |
| 10:29.33 | priest_ux | hi |
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| 11:48.45 | koen | hey Philippe |
| 11:50.05 | Philippe | hello koen |
| 11:50.35 | Philippe | Have you tried the gpsdrive patch I sent you yesterday? |
| 11:51.12 | Philippe | Might fix your Maemo interface problems too :-) |
| 11:51.56 | koen | Philippe: I haven't installed the patched version yet |
| 11:53.06 | Philippe | Oh yes, I will be updating the gpe-mini-browser bb-file later today. So that in the next snapshot the 0.14 version will be included. It does nice things on bigger screens. |
| 11:53.31 | Philippe | I use that version now on my netbook, replacing firefox that is much too slow. |
| 11:54.05 | Philippe | Unfortunately scap does not work decenlty on it :-( |
| 11:54.56 | koen | try fbgrab |
| 11:55.25 | Philippe | hmmm, i will try that. |
| 11:55.45 | koen | ipkg install fbgrab ; fbgrab file.png |
| 12:02.26 | Philippe | Whohoo! fbgrab works really well! |
| 12:05.33 | Philippe | http://handhelds.org/~gpe/gallery/view_album.php?page=3 |
| 12:07.49 | koen | Philippe: I have two feature requests: history in url entry and a fuillscreen option |
| 12:08.46 | Philippe | hmmm, I will have to find out how to do those two things. But they are noted. |
| 12:09.29 | Philippe | Next on my list was bookmarks (and eventually integration with gpe-contacts) and hildon interface |
| 12:10.42 | Philippe | I will add fullscreen to that. (should not be too hard I hope). The history might be a lot harder. |
| 12:11.19 | koen | you could make the history a specialcase bookmark |
| 12:11.38 | Philippe | koen: That would be an option indeed. |
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| 12:12.34 | reenoo | morning |
| 12:12.48 | Philippe | ANd I guess that with fullscreen you mean, really fullscreen (not like minimo, like having only a small button to toggle back to normal mode I suppose) |
| 12:12.51 | Philippe | hey reenoo |
| 12:12.54 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 12:13.22 | reenoo | salut Philippe |
| 12:13.25 | reenoo | hi koen |
| 12:13.26 | koen | Philippe: really fullscreen, maybe with a toggle button in the corner |
| 12:14.08 | Philippe | koen: ok. That was exactly what I had in mind :-) |
| 12:15.57 | Philippe | Unless. Would it be annoying if I replace the exit button with a fullscreen button? |
| 12:19.32 | koen | I also remember mallum saying that having a 'quit' button and a 'x' in the titlebar is useless duplication |
| 12:20.18 | Philippe | Well I think I found my button placement. :-) |
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| 12:32.27 | reenoo | koen: yeah, especially with the stock gtk toolbarbutton size that's a major waste of space. I do like the extra button though because it's easier to hit on the ts |
| 12:33.01 | koen | reenoo: that's very true |
| 12:33.19 | koen | I guess we could make a gconf key for that ;) |
| 12:39.48 | reenoo | s/gconf/UniConf/ |
| 12:39.56 | reenoo | gconf is so yesterday |
| 13:13.41 | koen | Philippe: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.24380.png |
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| 13:32.11 | reenoo | nice |
| 13:38.04 | Philippe | koen: indeed. There is just one entry I could not really fix... |
| 13:38.37 | Philippe | but it seems pretty much ok like this. |
| 13:58.47 | reenoo | ~cluebat self-proclaimed ipkg enhancers |
| 13:58.47 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps self-proclaimed ipkg enhancers. |
| 14:01.38 | Philippe | reenoo, what have they broken? |
| 14:01.55 | reenoo | nothing yet, I believe |
| 14:02.12 | reenoo | they're just posting nonsense to familiar@ |
| 14:03.20 | reenoo | (like having packages install stuff to /opt) |
| 14:10.21 | Philippe | btw. have we released GPE2.8 already? |
| 14:11.22 | Philippe | Because after a bugzilla clean-up a cvs clean-up would be good. |
| 14:14.08 | koen | Philippe: The Nils Masterplan is being on hold since nils is being drowned in work |
| 14:16.22 | koen | reenoo: isn't /opt in fhs too? |
| 14:16.31 | koen | I remember being disgusted by it |
| 14:16.46 | reenoo | for third party stuff |
| 14:17.13 | reenoo | no |
| 14:17.27 | reenoo | think of stuff like an eclipse binary tarball |
| 14:17.36 | koen | ah, stuff like that |
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| 14:32.04 | reenoo | arrgh |
| 14:32.15 | reenoo | I'm flooded with out of office replies again |
| 14:32.52 | XorA | OOO messages are the stupidest idea ever |
| 14:34.52 | reenoo | koen: doesn't help here |
| 14:40.20 | lucas_ | is there any way, I can (emulate/)use familiar on a x86 ? |
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| 14:42.58 | koen | hey florian |
| 14:43.05 | florian | hi all |
| 14:43.10 | koen | lucas_: yes, use xnest, xephyr or Xoo |
| 14:43.33 | lucas_ | koen: thanks |
| 14:47.17 | florian | koen: ah.. that gpsdrive screenshot looks better :-) |
| 14:49.01 | Philippe | hello florian |
| 14:49.24 | florian | hi Philippe |
| 14:50.59 | Philippe | florian, would this be a problem for psion? http://handhelds.org/~gpe/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Applications&id=netbook |
| 14:51.22 | Philippe | I took a screenshot on my netbook, but thinking of it, there is still the psion thingy on it. |
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| 15:04.15 | lucas_ | koen: could you give me a link for further information about running xnest with gpe? |
| 15:04.57 | koen | start Xnest the same size as your handhelds' screen and point DISPLAY to it |
| 15:05.04 | koen | then start your favourite apps |
| 15:05.36 | Philippe | lucas_, Xnest :1 -ac -geometry 240x320 & , then export DISPLAY=:1 |
| 15:06.49 | florian | Philippe: I don't think so... |
| 15:07.51 | lucas_ | Philippe: ok, I got the display |
| 15:08.33 | Philippe | lucas_, when you start an application now from the console where you set the display it will start in that window. |
| 15:11.30 | florian | Philippe: I guess there are not many people left at Psion which would be able to recognize that bar :-) |
| 15:12.16 | lucas_ | Philippe: that doesn't work... |
| 15:12.21 | florian | lucas_: If you have matchbox installed you can start matchbox-session, that will make it look pretty familiar. |
| 15:14.31 | lucas_ | Is anybody working on hx4700 port? |
| 15:15.22 | florian | We should create a small howto about using the helpbrowser in GPE applications and how to write manuals. |
| 15:15.43 | Philippe | lucas_, yes I believe there are people working on that. But as I am not one of those I have no clue how well it is progressing. |
| 15:16.08 | Philippe | florian, indeed. I was looking for my wiki login earlier today to put that info down. |
| 15:16.27 | Philippe | florian, and libgpewidget docs should be updated too then. |
| 15:18.00 | lucas_ | koen: so you are working on it? |
| 15:18.20 | koen | lucas_: I'm working on getting a working GPE images out of OpenEmbedded |
| 15:21.42 | florian | lucas_: that's a question for #handhelds.org |
| 15:22.00 | florian | Philippe: indeed... i think i can do this later today. |
| 15:22.01 | koen | lucas_: tnb on #handhelds.org is Todd Blumer |
| 15:22.48 | Philippe | florian, I just started updating the stuff on the wiki. |
| 15:23.02 | florian | Philippe: ah great... |
| 15:51.40 | Philippe | hmm, M$ seems to go completely crazy again : Microsoft Frowned at for Smiley Patent |
| 15:57.31 | florian | heh |
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| 16:47.29 | reenoo | re |
| 16:48.14 | Philippe | wb reenoo |
| 16:48.25 | reenoo | Philippe: isn't that one icon ("Desk") a psion logo? if so, I'd be careful about it. |
| 16:50.14 | florian | reenoo: wb |
| 16:50.17 | Philippe | reenoo, indeed that was my concern. To be sure I'll gimp it away and replace that. |
| 16:51.37 | pb_ | It'd be easy to swap that icon for something else - a GPE or handhelds.org logo, or something. |
| 16:51.48 | pb_ | I think it's just stored as a png file somewhere in the gpe-buttonbox data directory. |
| 16:52.00 | pb_ | look for "desk.png" or some such |
| 16:52.10 | Philippe | pb_, ok thanks. I will check it out. |
| 16:53.30 | pb_ | It'd be best to avoid publishing screenshots with the Psion logo in. But, if you can remove that, it should be fine. |
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| 17:01.02 | Philippe | ok screenshot updated (psion logo replaced by gpe logo) |
| 17:01.09 | pb_ | rock |
| 17:01.17 | florian | cool |
| 17:02.36 | pb_ | hi jg |
| 17:02.39 | florian | While we are taling about this: |
| 17:02.46 | florian | ~lart Psion |
| 17:03.08 | pb_ | florian: heh |
| 17:03.12 | Philippe | :-) |
| 17:10.57 | reenoo | hmm.. looking at the screenshot.. anybody happen to know what happened to the volume applet? I think last time I saw it was with familiar 0.7 unstable... |
| 17:11.24 | koen | is that minimix? |
| 17:12.12 | reenoo | maybe. I don't know |
| 17:12.22 | pb_ | I think minivol is the one you're talking about |
| 17:12.47 | pb_ | minimix is the mixer that opens in a toolbar window, above the panel |
| 17:13.13 | Philippe | according to the ps ax on my netbook it is minimix |
| 17:13.46 | pb_ | ah, heh |
| 17:13.55 | jg | pb_: hi |
| 17:14.33 | pb_ | Philippe: it'd be nice to have all the kernel and boost bits included in oe. |
| 17:15.00 | reenoo | pb_, Philippe: ah, ok. I'll have to play with those if I ever get anywhere with my audio player rewrite >:) |
| 17:15.26 | Philippe | pb_, I do not know how far florian got with that. |
| 17:16.08 | pb_ | reenoo|kitchen: righto, very good |
| 17:16.08 | koen | y |
| 17:16.30 | florian | Philippe: i know ;-) |
| 17:16.47 | _law_ | gpe-filemanager wont build :-( http://pastebin.com/319211 |
| 17:17.01 | florian | Philippe: I can build filesystem images.... i should check in that stuff, but the boost bits are missing. |
| 17:17.04 | florian | _law_: ! |
| 17:17.41 | _law_ | florian: ? |
| 17:18.31 | florian | I wonder what would provide gssapi_krb5 |
| 17:18.44 | florian | eh libgssapi_krb5 |
| 17:18.54 | koen | kerberos |
| 17:19.09 | koen | I suspect a rogue kerberos header on the host system or something like that |
| 17:19.16 | florian | maybe that's missing in the dependencies... |
| 17:19.17 | Philippe | florian, that would be a start. I do not have a clue about the boost stuff. (I joined too late there) |
| 17:19.53 | florian | Philippe: same here... but iirc it was mostly building some tools anf calling them+ |
| 17:27.07 | _law_ | there are no kerberos packages |
| 17:32.42 | _law_ | no todays pcre wont build :-( http://pastebin.com/319223 |
| 17:33.17 | koen | do you have pcre-dev on your host? |
| 17:34.08 | _law_ | koen, yes pcre-devel-5.0-4 |
| 17:37.16 | _law_ | koen: should i remove this? |
| 17:38.50 | koen | no, it usually fails when you don't have it |
| 17:39.23 | shiyee | what is Psion? |
| 17:39.38 | koen | http://psion.com/ |
| 17:47.55 | tubbie|afk | shiyee psion pdas are famous because of the very nice keyboard: |
| 17:47.57 | tubbie|afk | http://www.uknet.net/showcase/Museum/042_Psion_Series_5.sized.jpg |
| 17:50.41 | shiyee | oh i see... looks very nice... i take it they are no longer sold? |
| 17:51.11 | _law_ | any ideas what i can do now? |
| 17:53.54 | tubbie|home | yes shiyee, psion is now producing just industry pdas |
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| 17:54.42 | Philippe | ok, the help system is documented decently in the wiki now. So Florian you just need to update the libgpewidget documentation. |
| 17:54.45 | Philippe | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GpeHelpSystem |
| 17:55.02 | Philippe | hit me now with critical comments :-) |
| 18:01.57 | florian | Philippe: wow - that looks good! |
| 18:02.40 | Philippe | florian, Well examples always make it easier to explain something :-) |
| 18:06.37 | florian | Philippe: yes right.. |
| 18:09.50 | florian | I added a link on the main website. |
| 18:11.16 | Philippe | thanks :-) |
| 18:16.34 | _law_ | is there an kismet howto anywhere? |
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| 18:26.58 | bedboi | hi there |
| 18:28.05 | Philippe | hi bedboi |
| 18:28.12 | bedboi | back from siena |
| 18:31.18 | florian | hey bedboi |
| 18:38.30 | florian | bedboi: did you finally win your fight againt cvs? |
| 18:39.06 | bedboi | still not. |
| 18:39.17 | bedboi | btw now i can't try it. i'll check later |
| 18:39.27 | bedboi | i'm not home right now |
| 18:39.29 | florian | bedboi: cool |
| 18:50.18 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 18:51.35 | florian | yeah... l'll go to the kitchen :-) |
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| 20:35.33 | mimecar | hi |
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| 20:38.18 | florian | hi mimecar |
| 20:38.31 | mimecar | hey florian |
| 20:46.48 | mimecar | florian: ?? |
| 20:47.35 | florian | mimecar: I have some old computers around here, i just installed Debian to a SGI Indy. |
| 20:47.45 | mimecar | ok |
| 20:47.55 | mimecar | i didn't know what indy was |
| 20:48.29 | mimecar | if you know some commands of linux, you can work without problems with debian |
| 20:48.33 | mimecar | but you must know ir |
| 20:50.21 | florian | well.. a few, but in fact i didn't need any for that installation except of the setup of my bootserver because i didn't have a cd drive at hand. |
| 20:51.17 | mimecar | I had a similar problem |
| 20:51.31 | mimecar | one computer without cd drive and floppy |
| 20:51.53 | mimecar | I installed mandriva with an external driver |
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| 20:58.21 | pb_ | heh |
| 20:58.22 | florian_indy | here we go... |
| 20:58.27 | pb_ | hi florian_indy :-) |
| 20:58.39 | CoreDump|home | wtg florian |
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| 21:05.37 | florian_indy | ah better... the xchat default colours suck. |
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| 21:32.54 | koen | zecke_sad: about your remark about kontaktz and eds: http://svn.o-hand.com/view/eds-dbus/trunk/ |
| 21:34.40 | zecke_sad | koen: Evolution rocks design wise since version 1.0 |
| 21:35.00 | zecke_sad | probably the only app using bonobo... |
| 21:35.22 | zecke_sad | the wombat was good and the data center is good as well |
| 21:35.24 | koen | that's why o-hand is dbussing it |
| 21:35.46 | florian_indy | :-) |
| 21:35.48 | zecke_sad | for Nokia I guess? |
| 21:36.01 | zecke_sad | how do they replace bonoboui with d-bus? |
| 21:36.07 | zecke_sad | using Xembed instead? |
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| 21:37.07 | florian_indy | zecke_sad: Maybe... but unlikely, these parts of software are already finished. |
| 21:38.07 | florian_indy | zecke_sad: btw... what made you sad? |
| 21:38.34 | zecke_sad | being sick and the implications... |
| 21:39.42 | zecke_sad | I had to withdraw my akademy2005 talk becuase... everything was delayed to a point |
| 21:39.59 | florian_indy | zecke_sad: sounds nasty :-/ |
| 21:40.47 | zecke_sad | not too nasty... The notification of acceptance was delayed three weeks |
| 21:41.20 | zecke_sad | and then there was a slight miscommunication and the needed answer was swallowed by a spam filter.. (gmx's spam filter) |
| 21:41.34 | florian_indy | oh great... |
| 21:42.03 | zecke_sad | and now things are too late for Subsidies, arranging flight talking with the medical staff... |
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| 21:47.56 | florian_indy | hrm... |
| 21:50.58 | reenoo | hrm? |
| 21:52.57 | pb_ | that's what he said |
| 21:53.32 | zecke_sad | strncmp(flo,rw,3) |
| 21:53.34 | florian_indy | reenoo: yor "hrm" looks better... it is white, my "hrm" is brown for some strange reason. |
| 22:20.47 | reenoo | florian_indy: heh |
| 23:31.37 | florian_indy | hi france |
| 23:31.45 | france | florian: hello! |
| 23:36.53 | france | florian_indy: hello |
| 23:38.37 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 23:38.39 | florian | uh florian_indy lost his keyboard... |
| 23:38.44 | florian | reenoo: good night |
| 23:48.17 | florian | good night |
| 23:50.35 | florian_indy | yx |
