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| 07:34.05 | Philippe | __law__, If you try gpe-mini-browser today get the binary libnrcit package I just uploaded. It contains a "fix" that makes gtk-webcore behave better |
| 07:34.38 | __law__ | Philippe, thanks |
| 07:37.50 | hrw|gone | ho |
| 08:40.06 | __law__ | XorA, is firefox inspector also required? |
| 08:41.54 | __law__ | here are my install error :-) http://pastebin.com/316094 |
| 08:43.55 | XorA | __law__: oh yeah, the postinst is wrong for SD installs, do ipkg-link add firefire; ipkg configure |
| 08:46.33 | __law__ | XorA, is firefox-inspector required? |
| 08:46.55 | __law__ | for me it also doesnt work on root :-( |
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| 08:49.08 | XorA | __law__: firefox-inspector not needed |
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| 09:44.47 | reenoo | morning |
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| 10:23.31 | __law__ | XorA, i get chmod: /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.5/libjsj.sd: No such file or directory for every file |
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| 10:25.44 | XorA | __law__: have you linked it into / |
| 10:26.16 | __law__ | i have done ipkg-link add firefox; ipkg configure |
| 10:26.45 | XorA | __law__: /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.5/ should be there then :-( |
| 10:26.59 | __law__ | it is there |
| 10:28.00 | __law__ | but there is no /usr/bin/firefox |
| 10:28.27 | XorA | __law__: ok, when I spoke to pigi about this whole problem, he said "try a different version of tar" |
| 10:28.35 | XorA | __law__: Im using debian etch |
| 10:32.22 | __law__ | tar-1.15.1-5 |
| 10:32.29 | __law__ | fedora core 4 |
| 10:36.34 | XorA | tar (GNU tar) 1.15.1 |
| 10:36.45 | XorA | and I get a firefox-bin |
| 10:38.06 | __law__ | in /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.5/ ? or /usr/bin ? |
| 10:41.20 | __law__ | if i start my firefox-bin (from /usr/lib/fire..) i get the following error: error while loading shared libaries: libmozjs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 10:41.50 | __law__ | put it is in this dir |
| 10:46.29 | hrw|work | XorA: memleak of ipkg? or firefox ipk? |
| 10:46.34 | __law__ | Philippe, there is no libjscore.so.0 in your gpe-mini-browser packages :-( |
| 10:50.00 | reenoo | __law__: that's kind of expected since libjscore isn't well.. part of gpe-mini-browser |
| 10:54.38 | XorA | hrw|work: ipk and gnutar dont seem to play nice |
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| 11:11.28 | __law__ | should i add sylpheed 2.0.0beta6 to the OE repo or don |
| 11:11.45 | __law__ | works fine for me |
| 11:12.12 | koen | if that's the case, add it |
| 11:12.57 | XorA | In pretty much all cases its better to add it and wait for complains |
| 11:13.38 | koen | or schurig to rm it if the X depend is missing |
| 11:17.17 | XorA | koen: :-D |
| 11:24.59 | XorA | my poor adsl line |
| 11:31.01 | reenoo | __law__: fwiw, the package you're looking for would be libjscore0 (osb-jscore in OE) |
| 11:35.21 | __law__ | reenoo, i cant build this one :-) |
| 11:36.16 | reenoo | what's the error? |
| 11:36.24 | reenoo | (builds fine here) |
| 11:40.30 | reenoo | nevermind |
| 11:51.30 | __law__ | reenoo|pizza, i will try it and send you the error one minute |
| 11:58.20 | __law__ | reenoo|pizza, http://pastebin.com/316162 |
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| 12:21.18 | reenoo | __law__: osb-jscore has got its own copy of pcre in its source tree and the symbols in question are there. my only guess is that it might be picking up an incompatible copy of pcre from staging. but I can't reproduce the error here. |
| 12:22.19 | __law__ | reenoo, i try to remove pcre here |
| 12:34.56 | __law__ | same error :-( |
| 12:43.17 | univac | when familiar 0.9? |
| 12:45.08 | hrw|work | univac: never? |
| 12:45.31 | hrw|work | iirc fam-0.8.4 then Angstrom |
| 12:45.52 | univac | hrw|work: hmm |
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| 13:02.07 | pb_ | univac: probably in a couple of months |
| 13:06.55 | hrw|work | XorA: or how to input first letter.. |
| 13:08.05 | XorA | hrw|work: thats the bit I got stuck on |
| 13:08.32 | hrw|work | To type "?" with an US-International keyboard layout on Microsoft Windows, hold the right-Alt and the "w" key, and the ? in the same way with the addition of the Shift key . Or hold the Alt key and type 0197 or 143 on the numeric keypad for "?", and for "?" hold the Alt key and type 0229 or 134 on the numeric keypad. |
| 13:08.38 | hrw|work | To type "?" with an Apple Computer using a US keyboard layout, hold the Option key and the Shift key simultaneously and type the A key. To type "?" with an Apple Computer, hold the Option key and type the A key. |
| 13:08.47 | hrw|work | replace "?" with angstrom |
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| 13:09.09 | hrw|work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85 |
| 13:11.38 | XorA | Ĺngstróm |
| 13:12.20 | koen | hrw|work: familiar is not going away |
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| 13:45.30 | eJumbo | does anyone know the package name of calculator which can be run over matchbox ? |
| 13:49.11 | eJumbo | simple utilities will do ? |
| 13:49.26 | eJumbo | i am not looking at gpe as size is a constraint on my system |
| 13:49.42 | koen | any calculator using X will do |
| 13:49.54 | koen | eJumbo: try #matchbox |
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| 13:50.59 | eJumbo | koen: only one guy is there over there and he usually sleeps at this time |
| 13:51.35 | eJumbo | can i use gpe-packges ? |
| 13:51.44 | XorA | gpe-calculator |
| 13:51.56 | eJumbo | major problem is size. i am looking at something max 8 MB |
| 13:52.01 | hrw|work | eJumbo: xcalc? |
| 13:52.24 | XorA | bc |
| 13:52.56 | pb_ | 8MB should be plenty for even the most sophisticated calculator. |
| 13:53.38 | XorA | firefox+calculator extension will fit in 8M :-) |
| 13:53.40 | eJumbo | if i include gpe-calculator does it pull all the gpe-stuff. i have x windows with touch and matchbox and am using oe |
| 13:53.58 | XorA | eJumbo: look at depends line in ipk |
| 13:54.04 | XorA | eJumbo: or Packages file |
| 13:54.36 | eJumbo | my system includes a basic file system, x windows, touch, matchbox, some utilities |
| 13:55.15 | eJumbo | it is over 8 MB now without utilities. just want to add some so, that user can play with it. |
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| 13:58.59 | reenoo | koen, pb_: is the 0.8.3 release still going to happen btw? if so, will OE still be used? jamey and especially france didn't seem to like the use of OE and I never got a reply from them to a couple of questions/suggestions [sent to familiar(-dev) with CC to them IIRC]. |
| 14:00.01 | koen | it is still going to happen, but requires a lot of fixes |
| 14:00.18 | koen | and as bitbake is broken I can't build test images |
| 14:01.29 | reenoo | well, I just hate this state of being ignored on the MLs |
| 14:01.39 | koen | reenoo: as far as I've understood post 0.8.3 versions will be generated from the 'stable' feed, which probably will contain a lot of OE generated ipkgs |
| 14:02.01 | koen | reenoo: welcome to my world :( |
| 14:02.22 | koen | lots of mails + irc pokage gets their attention |
| 14:02.30 | koen | or saying familiar will go away ;) |
| 14:02.35 | reenoo | what 'stable' feed? and who's actually going to do any work on that? |
| 14:02.57 | koen | reenoo: france and/or jamey I guess |
| 14:02.58 | jamey | reenoo: not so much stable feed as stable versions |
| 14:03.15 | jamey | e.g., 0.9.0 would be produced from snapshot of unstable feed |
| 14:03.48 | jamey | and 0.9.x versions would focus on bug fixes of those versions, but not willy-nilly updating of packages |
| 14:04.08 | jamey | this approach led to very stable 0.7.2, which many of our users miss in 0.8.x |
| 14:04.18 | jamey | many good things happened in 0.8.x |
| 14:04.33 | jamey | it's kind of like 0.6.x, which was really a developer version, lots of forward progress |
| 14:04.35 | koen | *cough* |
| 14:04.53 | koen | I especially like the 'stable' ipkg in 0.7.2 |
| 14:05.32 | jamey | there were definitely some problems in 0.7.2 |
| 14:05.50 | reenoo | none less than in 0.8.x |
| 14:06.34 | reenoo | and I certainly haven't seen any serious regression bugs on the ML apart from alsa not being present and some kernel breakage |
| 14:06.59 | jamey | I don't think all the bugs are being reported on the ML |
| 14:07.22 | jamey | I do know of several large user groups that passed over 0.8.x because it didn't work for them |
| 14:09.12 | jamey | I think it will work out OK -- angstrom being more developer and leading edge user oriented, familiar being more end user oriented |
| 14:10.37 | reenoo | well. I still don't get it. it's nice that you know about problems but not informing the rest of the world and claiming OE was the problem doesn't help much if you ask me |
| 14:12.58 | reenoo | and no, I've never been a fan of mass version bumps and cvs .bbs without a fixed cvsdate |
| 14:15.46 | reenoo | nevermind |
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| 14:17.47 | reenoo | koen: wrt the bitbake breakage... monotone blows up equally bad here |
| 14:18.14 | reenoo | koen: so, I kind of can't do much either |
| 14:19.13 | koen | monotone hasn't blown up yet over here |
| 14:19.18 | koen | I'm sure it will soon |
| 14:19.50 | jamey | reenoo: I don't think OE is actually the problem, and I have talked about the things I think are missing from the release process in my mailing list postings and previous IRC postings |
| 14:20.05 | reenoo | koen: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/monotone-devel/2005-07/msg00122.html |
| 14:20.30 | reenoo | koen: as expected.. no reply yet |
| 14:20.31 | jamey | although the fact that even koen cannot build images on any given day does not improve my confidence in bitbake |
| 14:21.21 | XorA | jamey: I beleive koen is currently using ctting edge bitbake :-) |
| 14:21.32 | jamey | ah, ok then |
| 14:21.43 | reenoo | jamey: I think I agree on the release process. I was referring to actual regression bugs. |
| 14:23.08 | jamey | reenoo: unfortunately I have not received detailed descriptions of regression bugs |
| 14:26.04 | reenoo | jamey: hmm. that's rather sad but a common problem |
| 14:26.35 | koen | fwiw, we have alsa now for at least SA ipaqs |
| 14:26.43 | jamey | it is a problem |
| 14:26.50 | jamey | koen: yay! |
| 14:26.57 | koen | thanks to pigi |
| 14:27.09 | jamey | ~pigi++ |
| 14:27.55 | reenoo | jamey: speaking of the release process... pb_ told me to talk to you about access to the unstable feed. I take it I need to send you my public gpg key? |
| 14:30.05 | XorA | familiar people should feel lucky having a working sound driver :-) |
| 14:30.25 | jamey | reenoo: please send me a gpg public key and I'll add you to unstable feed keyring |
| 14:30.45 | reenoo | koen: the alsa .bb still needs some cleanup though and it's not integrated with the image generation either. I had planned to look into that at the weekend but monotone got into my way |
| 14:30.54 | reenoo | jamey: will do. thanks. |
| 14:36.39 | koen | jamey: and don't forget to change back the permissions on the keyring after that ;) |
| 14:36.56 | jamey | koen: thanks for the reminder |
| 14:39.46 | reenoo | jamey: sent |
| 14:44.18 | jamey | reenoo: added |
| 14:44.29 | jamey | and chmodded |
| 14:45.11 | reenoo | jamey: great. thanks :) |
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| 14:48.43 | koen | reenoo: could you try downloading http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/OE.db.bz2, installing your privkey and sync it ? |
| 14:49.41 | reenoo | koen: if you tell me how to export/import my private key I might do that, yeah. |
| 14:50.28 | reenoo | koen: I don't remember reading about how to achieve that in the docs |
| 14:51.52 | pb_ | hi jamey |
| 14:54.27 | jamey | hi pb_ |
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| 14:56.58 | koen | reenoo: monotone --db=old.db privkey reenoo@openembedded.org | monotone --db=new.db read |
| 14:57.12 | koen | hey tigrux |
| 14:57.36 | koen | reenoo: or monotone --db=new.db read < pubkey.file |
| 14:57.38 | tigrux | Hello koen |
| 15:04.46 | reenoo | koen: ok. will try |
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| 15:23.48 | reenoo | koen: doesn't appear to work |
| 15:24.51 | reenoo | koen: I checked in a change and 'monotone sync monotone.vanille.de' just returns immediately |
| 15:26.22 | reenoo | koen: http://pastebin.ca/18063 |
| 15:28.39 | koen | sync also takes a branch glob |
| 15:28.52 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.58 | _law_ | reenoo: monotone sync --db=oe.db monotone.vanille.de "org.openembedded.*" |
| 15:29.01 | reenoo | an optional branch glob |
| 15:29.06 | koen | yeah |
| 15:29.26 | koen | It's annoying monotone doesn't say "are you sure you want to sync nothing?" |
| 15:30.00 | reenoo | err.. it will use the last one used to pull/co/sync |
| 15:30.10 | reenoo | you don't have to specify it every time |
| 15:30.58 | koen | could you sync against ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl? |
| 15:31.11 | koen | that way I can see what the server has to say |
| 15:31.48 | reenoo | nevermind.. looks like that info got lost when you exported the db |
| 15:31.57 | reenoo | it's doing something now |
| 15:33.54 | reenoo | dead slow as usual |
| 15:45.09 | reenoo | hmm.. works |
| 15:45.44 | reenoo | 15 minutes to push a tiny change is however not tolerable if you ask me |
| 15:46.01 | koen | 15 minutes? |
| 15:46.13 | koen | it takes 30 seconds over here? |
| 15:46.19 | koen | s:?:: |
| 15:46.35 | reenoo | pull merge sync took 15 minutes |
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| 15:48.45 | reenoo | monotone may become usable in a couple of months/years. but currently it's just a toy |
| 15:48.59 | reenoo | a toy that wastes a lot of time |
| 15:50.16 | koen | It's an order of mangitude faster over here |
| 15:50.23 | XorA | reenoo: get management to force you to use VSS |
| 15:50.49 | hrw|work | koen: you sync quite often and have fast machine? after vacation my athlonxp 1.8GHz needed 1hour to get 625 revs in |
| 15:51.16 | koen | hrw|work: I sync often |
| 15:51.27 | reenoo | XorA: pardon my ignorance.. what's VSS? |
| 15:51.31 | hrw|work | koen: so you dont have that problem |
| 15:51.32 | koen | and I admit my 1.3GHz powerpc might have an edge for RSA :) |
| 15:51.47 | XorA | reenoo: microsofts source control system |
| 15:51.53 | Philippe_work | Whatever you do. DO NOT use clearcase! |
| 15:52.15 | Philippe_work | it makes me suffer each day :-( |
| 15:52.26 | koen | Visual Source Safe |
| 15:52.44 | XorA | Philippe_work: our (luckilly sacked) ex boss was obsessed with rational software |
| 15:53.05 | XorA | Philippe_work: we bretahed a sigh of relief that we cannot afford clearcase |
| 15:53.19 | Philippe_work | XorA : Lucky you :-) |
| 15:53.21 | reenoo | XorA: I'd vote for finally accepting that the distributed development yada yada died with bitkeeper, switching to svn, and getting work done again |
| 15:55.22 | Philippe_work | Yeehaa. Another 30 min compile for a two line change in one file. You just have to love clearcase... |
| 15:56.02 | hrw|work | reenoo: the problem is "how to work with svn without network connection"... |
| 15:56.24 | XorA | reenoo: not all of us suffer slow computers |
| 15:56.53 | Philippe_work | hrw|work : I believe svn allows snapshots. AFAIK it is "just" an improved CVS. |
| 15:57.24 | reenoo | XorA: so a dual Xeon 2.8GHz qualifies as slow nowadays? interesting |
| 15:57.47 | reenoo | XorA: and you seriously want to make that a requirement for OE development? |
| 15:57.51 | XorA | reenoo: I have a amd64 3200+ and suffer only small delays on sync |
| 15:57.53 | hrw|work | Philippe_work: I like fast "scm diff file" operations |
| 15:58.10 | XorA | reenoo: Im guessing intel overhyped the Xeons capabilities |
| 15:58.12 | hrw|work | XorA: I have only 1.4GHz athlonxp here |
| 15:58.32 | reenoo | hrw|work: svn diff is a local operation |
| 15:58.51 | reenoo | hrw|work: you don't need a network connection for that |
| 15:59.28 | Philippe_work | XorA : the Xeons have one nice advantage in winter :-) And the new nocona's (which I got cheaply otherwise it would have been opteron) have a nice 1MB cache that helps compiles a lot. |
| 15:59.53 | reenoo | XorA: still. that's nonsense. you can't make such a system a requirement. |
| 16:00.39 | XorA | reenoo: I wasnt involved with the decision, but Im happy with monotone |
| 16:00.54 | XorA | even on my 1Ghz work machine running under colinux its not too bad |
| 16:01.15 | XorA | anyway time for me to leave work |
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| 16:02.50 | Philippe_work | maybe we should try bazaar? It sounds good. Never tried it though. Anyway I need to get myself some local versioning system before my RAID0 array fails. |
| 16:04.34 | reenoo | Philippe_work: the problem is not that there aren't any alternatives. the problem is that too many people believe they can't live without monotone |
| 16:05.54 | Philippe_work | Well I never tried it. So I cannot say much about it. And to be honest I do not believe we really need distributed development for OE. |
| 16:06.13 | Philippe_work | Anyway it is an improvement from bitkeeper (in a freedom way) |
| 16:07.07 | reenoo | agreed |
| 16:08.28 | reenoo | technically monotone means a huge regression though. even compared to svn. monotone doesn't even support a 'copy' operation. so, we're losing revision history on every version bump that's not a rename of the .bb. |
| 16:08.58 | Philippe_work | reenoo : btw how are the plans for the new generation GPE media player. I gave up on gpe-nmf. Too much to fix and if we need to rewrite the interface to make it actually use-able it is better to start new. |
| 16:09.24 | Philippe_work | reenoo : hmmm, that missing copy stuff sounds pretty bad. |
| 16:11.24 | reenoo | Philippe_work: I've started writing a muine style audio player. but it's still in its early stages. nothing I can publish yet. |
| 16:11.41 | Philippe_work | ok. sounds good. |
| 16:12.18 | Philippe_work | Time to go home. |
| 16:12.23 | Philippe_work | Later.., |
| 16:12.31 | reenoo | later |
| 16:12.43 | reenoo | hrm.. too slow |
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| 17:18.22 | koen | hey zecke |
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| 18:10.39 | koen | http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/images/gpsdrive4.png |
| 18:10.43 | koen | that looks funny :) |
| 18:29.39 | _law_ | i will try to build gpe-mini-browser now from scratch |
| 18:29.55 | _law_ | Philippe: which gcc do you use? |
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| 18:32.45 | _law_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.52 | _law_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.55 | Philippe_home | hi _law_ |
| 18:33.41 | Philippe_home | I have gcc 3.4.4 |
| 18:34.17 | Philippe_home | The binary packages were working for you? |
| 18:34.34 | _law_ | no jscore is missing |
| 18:34.49 | Philippe_home | oh. I forgot one? |
| 18:34.52 | _law_ | gcc without csl patch? |
| 18:35.10 | _law_ | yes the osb stuff |
| 18:35.18 | koen | Philippe_home: could you make maps.google.com to work? |
| 18:35.47 | koen | or http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/maps/ if you need some gpe incentive |
| 18:35.50 | Philippe_home | Well I'll put the missing package up |
| 18:35.57 | reenoo | _law_: pretty much any halfway recent gcc in OE should do |
| 18:36.44 | Philippe_home | koen : how do you mean? It seems to work fine. |
| 18:36.48 | reenoo | _law_: it's very unlikely that it's a gcc problem |
| 18:36.52 | koen | Philippe_home: hmmm |
| 18:37.23 | _law_ | should i try PREFERRED_VERSION_gcc = "3.4.4" or without that (uses csl patch) |
| 18:38.38 | Philippe_home | koen, you mean with the gpe-mini-browser ? |
| 18:38.45 | koen | Philippe_home: yes |
| 18:39.22 | koen | Philippe_home: I know it works in osb-browser, since reenoo made a screen shot |
| 18:39.23 | reenoo | _law_, Philippe_home: note that familiar packages will quite likely not work with openzaurus btw |
| 18:40.01 | reenoo | _law_: better check jscore's buildsystem |
| 18:40.03 | Philippe_home | javascript console message: 'TypeError - Value undefined (result of expression GMap) is not an object. Cannot be used with new.', line 11 url http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/maps/ |
| 18:40.15 | Philippe_home | koen, seems to be a gtk-webcore error |
| 18:40.45 | Philippe_home | reenoo : oh yes, openzaurus uses a soft-float compiler. |
| 18:40.51 | Philippe_home | correct? |
| 18:40.56 | _law_ | koen, same error with knqueror |
| 18:41.01 | _law_ | konqueroro |
| 18:41.26 | reenoo | Philippe_home: correct |
| 18:58.46 | _law_ | Philippe: libsvg is missing |
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| 19:25.47 | Philippe_home | _law_ : ok, I will add that one too. |
| 19:28.03 | Philippe_home | _law_ : could that be librsvg? |
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| 20:56.59 | florian | hi all |
| 20:57.29 | reenoo | florian! |
| 20:57.48 | reenoo | how are things? |
| 20:58.13 | reenoo | back from your honeymoon trip? |
| 20:58.33 | florian | Very good :-) It is good to have a computer again :-) |
| 20:58.38 | florian | yep |
| 20:59.02 | reenoo | ah. excellent |
| 20:59.19 | florian | yeah... is is cold in Germany! |
| 20:59.37 | reenoo | personally, I guess I wouldn't miss this piece of gentoo crap :/ |
| 20:59.53 | reenoo | yeah, it's cooled down quite a bit the last couple of days |
| 21:01.10 | reenoo | unfortunately we haven't had any rain either. the plants and the no longer green grass in our garden are having a hard time... |
| 21:03.58 | koen | florian: where did you go to? |
| 21:04.14 | Philippe_home | hey florian |
| 21:04.41 | florian | reenoo: heh... i'm in Siegen - we always have rain. ;-) |
| 21:06.24 | florian | koen: Majoca it is... |
| 21:06.47 | koen | the nice and sunny island? |
| 21:06.49 | florian | That was the only easy trip we could get easily :-) |
| 21:07.54 | florian | hi Philippe_home |
| 21:09.01 | florian | koen: Yes... it's really nice and the weather was a little bit too hot, but it was perfect to get some rest. |
| 21:10.08 | koen | I can pester you with enhancement requests again? |
| 21:10.17 | reenoo | heh |
| 21:10.23 | koen | after using aerial for two weeks I have some suggestions ;) |
| 21:11.39 | florian | koen: please do :-) i'll have a hard time in the next two weeks at least but improving gpe-aerial is on my list of things to do this year. |
| 21:13.01 | koen | florian: sort by 'last seen' and a strength bar below the icon |
| 21:13.50 | florian | koen: that would be useful... all the information is there. |
| 21:14.25 | florian | I'd like to have an additional simple backend which only uses passive scanning. |
| 21:15.20 | florian | ... and an easy method of selecting a network. |
| 21:18.44 | florian | hal is something to look at... |
| 21:18.57 | koen | hal and dbus are working already |
| 21:19.13 | reenoo | on 2.6 maybe |
| 21:19.26 | koen | I keep forgetting that |
| 21:19.31 | reenoo | :) |
| 21:20.00 | Philippe_home | And try the new gpe-mini-browser on the 770 so that I can get a nice screenshot with the "big" screen interface. |
| 21:21.08 | florian | Yeah... the last thing i discovered before i left was some trouble with the images for the 770, i'll build new ones tomorrow. |
| 21:22.52 | koen | HH.org will be down for maintenance 8am EST to noon tomorrow. |
| 21:23.09 | Philippe_home | ok |
| 21:23.37 | florian | ah |
| 21:23.51 | koen | afternoon in europe |
| 21:23.51 | Philippe_home | need to help my brother getting his network to work. bbl |
| 21:25.28 | reenoo | koen: hmm.. stupid question.. what happens to mail sent to hh.org addresses during that timeframe. I suppose there's a backup MX? |
| 21:26.25 | koen | reenoo: afaik there's no backup mx, so it will bounce and probably resent after 4 hours |
| 21:27.28 | reenoo | ouch |
| 21:27.41 | koen | but you'll have to talk to france about that |
| 21:32.20 | reenoo | koen: no, there's no backup MX |
| 21:39.05 | Philippe_home | re |
| 21:41.51 | koen | http://funroll-loops.org/gentoo.jpg |
| 21:43.00 | Philippe_home | koen :-) |
| 21:46.42 | reenoo | hehe |
| 21:47.51 | koen | too much trouble to rebuild debs to get it to work? |
| 21:48.04 | koen | or a case of 'not my box'? |
| 21:49.16 | reenoo | no, I don't have the time to migrate it to debian now |
| 21:49.46 | reenoo | I'd have to get additional disks to perform the migration |
| 21:50.05 | reenoo | and an SATA controller I guess |
| 21:52.02 | reenoo | and now that the debian people are enjoying breaking unstable again, I'd have to go with sarge |
| 21:53.46 | reenoo | (read: run a stable and outdated system for about three years) |
| 21:54.02 | koen | or try ubuntu |
| 21:54.39 | florian | good night |
| 21:54.43 | koen | you could try a livecd to see if you like it |
| 21:54.47 | koen | 'night florian |
| 21:54.53 | reenoo | 'night florian |
| 21:55.49 | reenoo | koen: and run against walls because $package isn't available for ubuntu? |
| 21:56.29 | koen | ubuntu is a superset of debian |
| 21:56.39 | koen | and it can run 3rd party debs |
| 21:56.47 | reenoo | heh |
| 21:56.48 | reenoo | no |
| 21:56.59 | koen | the 'multiverse' repo holds stuff that's not in debian |
| 21:57.14 | reenoo | I don't think it's even binary compatible to debian nowadays |
| 21:57.30 | reenoo | not to speak about package deps |
| 21:57.38 | koen | debian isn't even binary compatible to itself :) |
| 21:57.49 | koen | to repeat mako's reponse |
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| 21:57.55 | mimecar | hi |
| 21:58.05 | reenoo | koen: that was just dumb FUD |
| 21:59.04 | koen | anyway, ubuntu is pretty nice, as is debian, but I mainly use OSX for GUI stuff, so I can't really comment on the up to dateness of both |
| 21:59.07 | reenoo | koen: stable and testing/unstable are separate distros with potentially years of development between them |
| 22:00.42 | reenoo | koen: and, fwiw, ubuntu ships a set of packages that's neither a subset nor a superset of debian |
| 22:01.10 | koen | ok, a different set |
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| 22:17.40 | Philippe_home | reenoo : actually sarge is stable since start of June. So stable is not so dated now... In three years however :-) |
| 22:18.59 | reenoo | Philippe_home: yeah, I wanted to say sarge won't receive any significant updates for a fairly long period of time |
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| 22:20.03 | reenoo | Philippe_home: and, fwiw, X and gnome are already outdated in sarge... |
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| 22:21.47 | Philippe_home | reenoo : indeed, but that doesn't matter that much for developing. |
| 22:23.27 | reenoo | hmm, right |
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| 22:23.48 | reenoo | is there a dist-downgrade option in apt? ;) |
| 22:24.43 | reenoo | I'd need to switch a pre-sarge release unstable installation to sarge... |
| 22:25.13 | reenoo | (on the laptop, not on this box) |
| 22:25.51 | Philippe_home | not that I know of. I would just move my repository to sargs and do dist-upgrade in your case. |
| 22:26.17 | Philippe_home | depending on when the unstable was updated before sarge |
| 22:26.24 | reenoo | hmm. probably worth a try |
| 22:27.12 | reenoo | well. I think I did upgrade a couple of packages after the release (gstreamer comes to mind). but no core packages are affected. |
| 22:27.52 | Philippe_home | I am still on unstable on all my machines. I love the challenge :-) |
| 22:28.21 | reenoo | hehe |
| 22:28.49 | reenoo | well.. the gnome dependencies are so horribly broken and the gcc4/c++ abi change kind of scares me |
| 22:29.35 | koen | 'night all |
| 22:29.44 | reenoo | 'night koen|sleep |
| 22:30.57 | Philippe_home | night koen |
| 22:31.44 | Philippe_home | reenoo: For the moment I am keeping the apt-get upgrades back... |
| 22:33.39 | reenoo | I guess I'll get a couple of harddisk and an SATA controller and switch my desktop to sarge and only touch the laptop after that's done |
| 22:34.27 | Philippe_home | That is always a good idea. (Never touch an almost perfectly running system) |
| 22:34.33 | reenoo | (couple of harddisks because I want a RAID5 softraid) |
| 22:35.24 | Philippe_home | I need something like that too. RAID0 is just too much playing on the edge |
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| 23:10.59 | reenoo | 'night Philippe_home |
| 23:11.17 | Philippe_home | night reenoo |
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| 23:39.40 | reenoo | 'night all |
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