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| 04:35.23 | urnotl33t | anyone alive in here? |
| 04:35.24 | urnotl33t | :) |
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| 05:28.46 | __law__ | morning |
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| 07:45.58 | florian_hrz | hi all |
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| 08:00.07 | hrw|work | hi |
| 08:02.21 | florian_hrz | hi hrw|work |
| 08:05.53 | florian_hrz | brb, rebooting gateway |
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| 08:16.23 | koen | good morning all |
| 08:17.38 | ade|desk | morning koen |
| 08:18.11 | koen | hey ade|desk |
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| 08:31.28 | XorA | morning |
| 08:31.51 | hrw|work | hi XorA |
| 08:31.52 | koen | hey XorA |
| 08:32.37 | koen | XorA: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.gpe/4314 |
| 08:32.54 | koen | especially the latest message from Richard How |
| 08:36.38 | XorA | koen: ok, pdaXrom has some patches to xpdf to prevent segfaults, maybe we should look and see what they are |
| 08:36.47 | koen | yeah |
| 08:36.55 | XorA | koen: if Im right, poppler is xpdf - motif? |
| 08:37.29 | koen | iirc they stripped that out and went cairo |
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| 08:38.57 | koen | hmmm |
| 08:39.27 | XorA | koen: what they done now? |
| 08:39.39 | koen | where are the sources? |
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| 08:40.16 | XorA | http://mirror1.pdaxrom.org/rc9/src/ |
| 08:41.08 | koen | searching for 'source' on their website didn't reveal that |
| 08:41.20 | XorA | koen: downloads->rc9->source |
| 08:41.24 | XorA | koen: on the website |
| 08:42.18 | koen | ah |
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| 08:42.39 | koen | and the ones from rc10? |
| 08:42.42 | XorA | and builder is the patches |
| 08:42.50 | XorA | there is an rc10? |
| 08:43.14 | koen | according to oesf |
| 08:43.56 | XorA | koen: you have to request the sources before its a GPL violation though |
| 08:44.12 | koen | true |
| 08:44.38 | XorA | and give the guy a bit of leaway, he is on a slow adsl/dialup in russia :-() |
| 08:45.10 | koen | only because they don't want other developers |
| 08:46.04 | XorA | koen: if thats the way they like it, there is room on the OS world for both of us, we surpaassed them months ago anyway |
| 08:46.15 | koen | true |
| 08:46.55 | koen | XorA: the only patch for freetype locations |
| 08:47.23 | XorA | koen: hmm, maybe its a freetype bug then |
| 08:47.33 | XorA | koen: hence the abiword italic crash |
| 08:48.07 | koen | -#include <freetype/freetype.h>+#include <ft2build.h>+#include FT_FREETYPE_H |
| 08:48.20 | koen | that's more a 'please compile now' patch |
| 08:49.55 | koen | XorA: the builder contains *all* patches? |
| 08:51.24 | koen | I only see three patches changing the the header locations |
| 08:52.25 | XorA | koen: one difference in freetype from us |
| 08:53.00 | XorA | koen: I thought they had patched xpdf, maybe they patched a support lib that fixed xpdf |
| 08:53.16 | XorA | koen: I know they were suffering pdf segfaults and fixed them |
| 08:53.25 | ade|desk | koen: how many on your ignore list now ? |
| 08:53.33 | koen | 2 |
| 08:54.25 | ade|desk | http://www.pdaxrom.org/buglist.php?doaction=showbug&bugid=185 |
| 08:54.52 | ade|desk | status is still not fixed |
| 08:55.55 | XorA | ade|desk: but is listed as fixed in RC10 release notes |
| 08:56.42 | ade|desk | where the hell are they ? |
| 08:56.53 | XorA | ad error: 110 |
| 08:56.53 | XorA | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.00 | XorA | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12631&hl=xpdf |
| 08:57.06 | XorA | bloody *doze copy/paste |
| 08:59.36 | koen | *sigh* |
| 08:59.45 | koen | unversioned directories |
| 09:00.35 | koen | aha, this one has more patches |
| 09:01.35 | koen | + if (newSize < 0) { |
| 09:01.35 | koen | + goto err1; |
| 09:01.35 | koen | + } |
| 09:01.40 | koen | goto!?!?!?!?! |
| 09:02.30 | koen | the source is littered with it |
| 09:02.34 | koen | ~lart xpdf |
| 09:04.44 | XorA | koen: where that patch come from? |
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| 09:08.15 | koen | hey JiniDog and robtaylors |
| 09:08.37 | koen | XorA: I mirrored the patches and sent the link to gpe@ |
| 09:08.57 | koen | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.gpe/4335 |
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| 09:23.33 | koen | hey bedboi |
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| 09:28.51 | pb_ | hi florian_hrz |
| 09:29.03 | koen | hey pb_ |
| 09:29.24 | pb_ | hi koen |
| 09:30.29 | florian_hrz | *gnaa* |
| 09:31.42 | florian_hrz | Looks like freeswan and openswan are not that compatible anymore... |
| 09:31.53 | pb_ | oh dear |
| 09:31.59 | pb_ | compatible in what way? |
| 09:33.19 | florian_hrz | I installed a new kernel with Openswan patches... which seems not to work with the freeswan userland tools anymore. |
| 09:33.34 | pb_ | ah, that's not too good |
| 09:35.20 | florian_hrz | looks like i need tu update some more stuff. |
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| 09:36.29 | florian_hrz | But OpenVPN looks useful too... |
| 09:36.42 | florian_hrz | hi jobi |
| 09:37.37 | florian_hrz | brb |
| 09:49.03 | koen | pb_: could the no-bindings patch in dbus cause '| make[2]: *** No rule to make target `dbus-glib-bindings.h', needed by `all'. Stop.' ? |
| 10:00.07 | pb_ | is that in dbus, or dbus-native? |
| 10:00.33 | pb_ | if the latter, it sounds like I forgot to set SRC_URI_EXTRA = "" in the .bb file |
| 10:00.49 | koen | native |
| 10:00.55 | pb_ | if the former, it sounds like the do_configure_prepend() is malfunctioning somehow |
| 10:00.57 | pb_ | ah, right |
| 10:07.22 | koen | NOTE: package dbus-0.34: completed |
| 10:07.44 | pb_ | very good |
| 10:07.47 | koen | NOTE: the following files were installed but not shipped in any package:NOTE: /usr/bin/dbus-daemon |
| 10:07.57 | koen | but that should be easy to fix |
| 10:10.09 | koen | pb_: do we want /usr/bin/dbus-binding-tool in the ipk? |
| 10:11.14 | pb_ | only in the -dev one, I think |
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| 10:11.48 | koen | ey florian_kc |
| 10:12.17 | florian_kc | re |
| 10:12.20 | pb_ | florian_kc: wb |
| 10:17.44 | koen | pb_: dbus should work now |
| 10:17.49 | pb_ | very good |
| 10:18.34 | koen | onto hal |
| 10:20.32 | koen | NOTE: package hal-0.5.2: completed |
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| 10:49.30 | lardman | morning |
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| 10:54.48 | Slimper | hi people! |
| 10:55.09 | Slimper | anybody this have hp 2750? |
| 10:55.48 | koen | 10:54:24.606 [I] blockdev.c:540: block_add: sysfs_path=/sys/block/mmcblk0 dev= is_part=0, parent=0x00000000 |
| 10:55.51 | florian_kc | hi Slimper |
| 10:55.57 | koen | HAL* |
| 10:56.06 | florian_kc | koen: :-) |
| 10:57.35 | Slimper | anybody now what need make for no erorr in load linux on PPC (hda: hda1)? sorry for my english i too bad now him |
| 10:59.40 | florian_kc | hmm |
| 10:59.53 | florian_kc | Slimper: Which tool do you use for this? |
| 11:01.01 | Slimper | this http://projects.o-hand.com/hx2750/ |
| 11:01.50 | Slimper | in this place no russian language people? |
| 11:03.51 | loewe- | I speak Russian. |
| 11:03.52 | loewe- | :) |
| 11:03.58 | Slimper | привет |
| 11:04.14 | loewe- | I assume you typed something, but my charset doesn't show it. |
| 11:04.35 | Slimper | privet |
| 11:05.09 | loewe- | Tak nimnoshka lutchi, but this is an English channel so Russian can go to PM if you want. |
| 11:15.01 | florian_kc | :-) |
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| 11:15.34 | loewe- | :p |
| 11:17.48 | loewe- | I've been put in awkward situations by plenty of crazy germans :-p |
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| 11:22.47 | florian_kc | heh |
| 11:23.32 | florian_kc | Indeed... germans really seem to have problems with this :-/ |
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| 11:34.56 | lardman | ca_buha: ping |
| 11:35.06 | loewe- | I still love them, taking a trip to Berlin late August. |
| 11:40.17 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 11:44.08 | hrw|work | how gpe handle iconsize on qvga<>vga screens? |
| 11:44.47 | koen | the 'look and feel' applet manages that |
| 11:45.09 | florian_kc | hrw|work: It defaults to larger icons (and Buttons with text) as well. |
| 11:45.18 | florian_kc | At least in the basic applications. |
| 11:46.12 | hrw|work | thx |
| 11:46.36 | hrw|work | koen: I forgot about that applet - it rarely worked for me |
| 11:47.21 | florian_kc | yeah... there is still that issue with it ald large screens. |
| 11:47.41 | koen | doing 'gpe-conf theme' in rxvt mostly fixes it |
| 11:48.47 | hrw|work | koen: on my husky it open window and start suck cpu for who know what |
| 11:48.51 | florian_kc | But that seems to happen on ARM based devices only - i tried on x86 yesterday. |
| 11:49.03 | lardman|afk | hrw|work: it works if you open it from the 'start menu' |
| 11:49.21 | florian_kc | lardman: indeed?! |
| 11:49.26 | hrw|work | lardman: weird... anyway I dont have gpe now installed |
| 11:49.32 | lardman | florian_kc: yep |
| 11:49.41 | koen | florian_kc: unsigned char problem? |
| 11:50.10 | koen | or doesn't g_char suffer from that? |
| 11:50.18 | florian_kc | koen: i had something lik this in mind... but i can reproduce this on my 770. |
| 11:50.36 | florian_kc | it works if it is called from the menu... |
| 11:51.18 | hrw|work | florian_kc: and what about running from mb-desktop? |
| 11:52.00 | florian_kc | hrw|work: it opens the window and starts to suck cpu. |
| 11:52.44 | florian_kc | Once you changed the theme it seems to work from desktop too. |
| 11:53.10 | florian_kc | oh... forget what i said |
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| 11:56.19 | hrw|work | ok |
| 11:58.49 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.52 | koen | *cough* |
| 11:59.03 | koen | ~lart NetworkManager |
| 11:59.50 | florian_kc | heh |
| 12:06.07 | koen | ~herring koen |
| 12:06.07 | ibot | ACTION whacks koen on the side of the head with a large red herring named alfred |
| 12:06.28 | florian_kc | *g* |
| 12:09.19 | XorA | ~herring ibot |
| 12:09.20 | ibot | ACTION whacks ibot on the side of the head with a large red herring named alfred |
| 12:09.38 | XorA | hmmm self abuse |
| 12:10.36 | koen | good luck |
| 12:10.56 | ade|desk | is that to take the exam or to create the paper for others ? |
| 12:11.20 | loewe- | Hopefully I won't need it but thanks. |
| 12:11.21 | loewe- | :-p |
| 12:11.28 | loewe- | And it's the former ade|desk |
| 12:11.34 | ade|desk | good luck then |
| 12:11.40 | koen | bleh, gnome-power doesn't work with the new dbus |
| 12:11.45 | loewe- | But taking the exam seems like like I'm going to steal it. |
| 12:11.46 | loewe- | ;) |
| 12:12.03 | ade|desk | ah the english language :) |
| 12:12.14 | loewe- | Heh. |
| 12:14.21 | XorA | sitting the exam |
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| 12:15.37 | koen | hey jamey |
| 12:15.53 | jamey | hi koen |
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| 12:21.46 | florian_kc | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.25511.png |
| 12:22.02 | koen | cute |
| 12:22.57 | koen | florian_kc: the 'contact' pane at the bottom always shows a scrollbar on 480x640 |
| 12:23.33 | koen | in gpe-contacts 0.38-0.40 |
| 12:26.16 | florian_kc | koen: :-/ |
| 12:26.45 | koen | in the industrial theme |
| 12:26.53 | koen | adding 3 pixels should solve it |
| 12:27.38 | florian_kc | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.25901.png |
| 12:27.50 | koen | heh |
| 12:28.32 | florian_kc | well.. i want to avoid to say this on #maemo, but gpe is much faster than the maemo stuff. |
| 12:28.59 | koen | of course :) |
| 12:29.20 | koen | florian_kc: mail nokia, get funding :) |
| 12:29.38 | florian_kc | heh |
| 12:34.23 | koen | crap |
| 12:34.59 | koen | I superglued the magnet of the hx4700 screenprotector to make it stay in place |
| 12:35.19 | koen | I forget to wipe my fingerprints of the protector |
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| 12:36.43 | florian_kc | heh |
| 12:37.34 | rob_w-cgi | hey all , i get the communication with my gsm modem ! hurray .. now i can start of structuring that ! |
| 12:37.42 | koen | rob_w-cgi: cheers |
| 12:38.41 | rob_w-cgi | yep that is a good step for me ! |
| 12:39.11 | rob_w-cgi | i am now drawing flowcharts all over to see what is best |
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| 12:40.56 | koen | gpe-irc? |
| 12:40.59 | flo_770 | hi all |
| 12:41.08 | flo_770 | gaim |
| 12:41.09 | koen | hey florian_kc |
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| 12:44.57 | ram123 | when when i enter as root in gpe i get the error ; failed to open connection with system message bus failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket : connection refused |
| 12:45.11 | ram123 | how to solve this error ? |
| 12:48.18 | ram123 | Crofton: do u have any idea |
| 12:48.28 | Crofton|laptop | Sorry ram123 |
| 12:48.38 | Crofton|laptop | I am not familiar with dbus |
| 12:49.23 | Crofton|laptop | maybe look in dbus package dir and see if they have machine specific config that needs to be replacted for the osk? |
| 12:49.36 | koen | flo_770: screenshots! |
| 13:07.43 | rob_w-cgi | i am off to home |
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| 13:13.39 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 13:23.09 | bedboi | hi there koen |
| 13:25.30 | jamey | I would really like CONFIG_DEBUG_LL_BOOT_BREADCRUMBS so I don't have to add and remove the printascii's to detect bootup progress |
| 13:25.50 | jamey | why shouldn't mainstream code have standard infrastructure for bringing up new hardware? |
| 13:37.48 | ca_buha | lardman|lunch: pong, RTT=2:30:23 |
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| 13:48.25 | bedboi | any news? |
| 13:48.38 | flo_770 | koen: ok |
| 13:48.44 | flo_770 | hi bedboi |
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| 14:24.46 | koen | hey hey mallum |
| 14:24.54 | mallum | hey mr koen |
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| 14:31.11 | lardman | ca_buha: :) |
| 14:31.21 | lardman | ca_buha: Have you made any progress with the bl code? |
| 14:32.12 | koen | florian_kc: nice mail to the list! |
| 14:32.36 | florian_kc | koen: thanks |
| 14:32.40 | koen | florian_kc: and the hildonized gpe-stuff is present in OE |
| 14:32.48 | koen | never tested it, but it's there :) |
| 14:33.13 | florian_kc | koen: oh cool! i didn't know... |
| 14:33.49 | koen | I merged your efforts into mine and made a feed gpe-*-hildon packages |
| 14:33.57 | florian_kc | i'll send a mail to maemo-development ml now and then i'll work on improving the maemo image. |
| 14:34.20 | florian_kc | sounds goood! |
| 14:34.29 | koen | I got some bugzilla mail about fixes to packages |
| 14:34.56 | koen | the real maemo release should require less hacking |
| 14:36.19 | florian_kc | sounds promising :-) |
| 14:44.08 | koen | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2005-June/008356.html |
| 14:44.13 | koen | more eyecandy! |
| 14:48.08 | florian_kc | More methods to break everything?! ;-) |
| 14:48.15 | koen | :) |
| 14:53.03 | koen | florian_kc: we might see a kdrive release in october |
| 14:54.01 | florian_kc | koen: wow! that's like... like... a Debian release! ;-) |
| 14:54.54 | koen | f I connected the dots the right way |
| 14:55.14 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 14:55.53 | koen | jg referred me to mallum who said we need a xlibs release (modules Xorg) first |
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| 14:58.19 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 14:58.34 | jsmanrique | mallum: I've sent a 'present' for you ;) |
| 14:59.52 | jsmanrique | the n770 shots running gpe are great! |
| 15:02.15 | mallum | jsmanrique: thanks |
| 15:02.21 | florian_kc | hi jsmanrique |
| 15:02.25 | mallum | jsmanrique: just replied |
| 15:02.27 | koen | hey jsmanrique |
| 15:07.06 | arielMx | where I can find those gpe shots on 770? |
| 15:07.49 | koen | handhelds.org/scap |
| 15:07.59 | arielMx | lovely |
| 15:08.02 | koen | the big ones with "omap" on the bottom |
| 15:08.09 | arielMx | ah omap |
| 15:08.13 | arielMx | lovely word |
| 15:09.08 | koen | hehe |
| 15:09.30 | koen | lot's of folks at TI thinks so :) |
| 15:10.39 | arielMx | oh yes.. |
| 15:10.58 | koen | as an EE the word DSP is very lovely :) |
| 15:11.26 | florian_kc | Yeah... the 770s 2?? MHz Omap seems to _much_ faster than a 400MHz Xscale. |
| 15:11.29 | arielMx | I assume koen that the screenies under OMAP1510/1610/1710 are the one I am looing for... |
| 15:11.45 | florian_kc | yeah |
| 15:11.56 | arielMx | florian_kc I have a nice screenshot for you |
| 15:11.59 | florian_kc | that's what /proc/cpuinfo says |
| 15:12.10 | florian_kc | arielMx: let me see :-) |
| 15:12.16 | arielMx | email? |
| 15:12.40 | florian_kc | arielMx: okay, florian@kernelconcepts.de |
| 15:13.37 | koen | 2420! |
| 15:13.48 | koen | with an overclocked dsp |
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| 15:17.38 | gariel | stupid ubuntu box |
| 15:17.49 | gariel | florian_kc: you should have the email now |
| 15:18.42 | gariel | koen that 2420 sounds good |
| 15:19.09 | koen | I wonder how well glitz runs on that '3D' engine |
| 15:19.28 | florian_kc | gariel: yeah - that looks pretty good! |
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| 15:20.23 | gariel | florian_kc: intended for video and audio |
| 15:20.30 | gariel | it is located on GNOME cvs |
| 15:20.33 | flo_770 | hi mccarthy |
| 15:20.44 | gariel | I still need to check some issues with config scripts |
| 15:20.58 | gariel | but it is simple, small and fast |
| 15:21.09 | gariel | only the very essential options it has |
| 15:21.25 | mccarthy | hi flo_770 nice nick ;) |
| 15:21.28 | florian_kc | gariel: very good - that might become a useful replacement for gpe-nmf |
| 15:21.52 | mccarthy | I am glad to see folks working on a pdf viewer! |
| 15:21.53 | florian_kc | mccarthy: yeah... but it is easier with a real keyboard :-) |
| 15:22.08 | florian_kc | ~hail koen |
| 15:22.08 | ibot | ACTION bows down to koen and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 15:22.30 | mccarthy | I am running a few GPE apps on my new ubuntu notebook :) very nice. |
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| 15:22.49 | koen | hey mccarthy |
| 15:22.58 | mccarthy | I must now upload the latest and greatest in gpe-calendarware so that we can get that into a useful deb ;) |
| 15:23.19 | mccarthy | hi koen nice work trying to create some PDF love |
| 15:23.33 | florian_kc | yeah... maybe i should try to get gpe-contacts into debian, i already have everything to create debian packages. |
| 15:23.41 | __moray_ | florian_kc: I have packages mostly ready |
| 15:23.45 | mccarthy | I think I will actually getting around to writing my Changelogs and uploading today :) |
| 15:23.59 | florian_kc | __moray_: cool - rock! |
| 15:24.00 | __moray_ | florian_kc: I was just waiting for the atd stuff to be fixed before uploading them |
| 15:24.01 | mccarthy | as long as I can actually compile the latest changes from CVS and make sure things work, that is... |
| 15:24.07 | florian_kc | ah right |
| 15:24.16 | __moray_ | florian_kc: as soon as we have versions that are fine for that I can update and upload |
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| 15:24.35 | mccarthy | morewhat fixed atd stuff, *my* fixed atd stuff?! |
| 15:24.46 | mccarthy | oops __moray that is |
| 15:24.46 | florian_kc | __moray: very good... |
| 15:25.04 | __moray | mccarthy: well, I haven't seen what you've done, but we discussed this before, yes :) |
| 15:25.30 | mccarthy | __moray, I have been using it flawlessly on my desktop, laptop, ipaq since then |
| 15:25.41 | __moray | cool |
| 15:25.48 | florian_kc | mccarthy: that sounds very promising |
| 15:25.50 | mccarthy | I have been too busy to write proper changelogs, so I never actually uploaded the changes |
| 15:25.55 | __moray | mccarthy: do you want to poke me when you've uploaded, then? |
| 15:26.00 | mccarthy | sure |
| 15:26.17 | mccarthy | (now I need to remember what it was that I actually *di* ;) |
| 15:26.22 | __moray | ha |
| 15:26.28 | mccarthy | si -> did |
| 15:26.33 | mccarthy | si -> di |
| 15:26.38 | mccarthy | no more typing for me! |
| 15:27.13 | pb_ | hi professor mccarthy |
| 15:27.25 | mccarthy | florian_kc, just mailed 12 copies of a 300 page brief to get our eng department re-accreditted. I have *plenty* of time now :) or at least I plan on *taking* plenty of time ;) |
| 15:27.28 | mccarthy | hi pb_ |
| 15:28.02 | florian_kc | mccarthy: oh dear... |
| 15:28.03 | mccarthy | I have alunch date with a visitor from south america that I have been ignoring for two weeks, and then I will upload this afternoon |
| 15:28.27 | __moray | sounds godo |
| 15:28.29 | mccarthy | so is all the autotools stuff nice and shiny now? |
| 15:28.29 | __moray | er, good |
| 15:29.14 | pb_ | mostly. I had a slightly bruising encounter with autotools in gpe-bluetooth the other day, but it seems to be working for most apps. |
| 15:29.40 | __moray | cool. |
| 15:31.18 | florian_kc | yeah... imho we have all dependencies of gpe-calendar with autotools support now, only libXsettings-client needs to generate a .pc file. |
| 15:31.41 | mccarthy | you guys do nice work |
| 15:32.08 | mccarthy | its a good thing we don't rely on me to do too much coding. it only muddies the waters |
| 15:32.54 | florian_kc | mccarthy: we just conquered two new devices: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.25901.png |
| 15:33.35 | mccarthy | i figured the 770 from the nick, but what other one? |
| 15:34.02 | florian_kc | mccarthy: iPaq hx4700 |
| 15:34.14 | mccarthy | damn. |
| 15:34.21 | mccarthy | I should have waited for that one ;) |
| 15:36.09 | florian_kc | I guess the price for the 770 is less than half of the iPaq :-) |
| 15:36.20 | mccarthy | wow |
| 15:36.30 | mccarthy | available in us? |
| 15:37.54 | florian_kc | Not yet... it will be shipped some time in Q3. |
| 15:43.14 | florian_kc | hmm.. do we want to port GPE to a camera? |
| 15:43.17 | koen | it's rumoured at $350 |
| 15:43.28 | koen | florian_kc: a camera? |
| 15:44.29 | florian_kc | koen: I got an offer to get a RDC-i700 with Linux for some development. |
| 15:45.06 | koen | funky |
| 15:45.15 | koen | wit would be pretty sweet to have |
| 15:45.21 | koen | (http://www.ricohzone.com/Product_RDCi700.html) |
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| 15:46.04 | florian_kc | indeed... its not fully supported by Linux, but there is still some research project going on inside Ricoh. |
| 15:47.43 | __moray | ah |
| 15:48.14 | florian_kc | I met one of this guys some months ago in Frankfurt. |
| 15:48.54 | __moray | I wonder how stuff will work out in terms of an 770 'community', how much people will want to run something other than the system than came on it |
| 15:50.40 | florian_kc | __moray: thats a good question... i guess it depends on the quality of the final software. Currently the Hildon framework looks pretty nice but isn't hat stable and is a little bit limited. |
| 15:51.01 | florian_kc | e.g. the navigator isn't that useful if you have a large number of application installed. |
| 15:51.33 | __moray | right |
| 15:51.54 | florian_kc | The main advantage is that it is easy to port applications to it an run them in the default environment - that includes GPE applications which are very useful there. |
| 15:52.49 | florian_kc | _currently_ GPE is much faster than the original software on the device and scales better with a large number of applications. |
| 15:54.57 | __moray | right; I suspect it will seem more obvious to a lot of people to keep the basic system and port stuff, since it's 'already Linux' |
| 15:55.59 | florian_kc | indeed... |
| 15:56.23 | XorA | time to go, cya |
| 15:56.25 | __moray | just as with the Zaurus, in fact |
| 15:57.09 | florian_kc | We had a huge number of Zaurus users at Linuxtag which were interested in GPE because of the bad software support for it :-) |
| 15:58.12 | florian_kc | btw. i just gut a reply to my mail by a Nokia employee - he told me he'd reflash his 770 ;-) |
| 15:59.15 | mallum | florian_kc: also meamo fully supports the device and has documented api's etc |
| 15:59.39 | mallum | florian_kc: I dont honestly see the point of porting GPE to it apart from 'mildly interesting hack' |
| 16:00.21 | mallum | florian_kc: its just another device for GPE to support thus making things harder for GPE in the long run as its another physical device set up for it to try and support |
| 16:02.26 | lardman | florian_kc: software for GPE in general, or for the Zaurus specifically? |
| 16:02.28 | florian_kc | mallum: right... for the next release the other platforms are much more important. but in fact it would be a good supported and cheap device. |
| 16:03.11 | lardman | florian_kc: ah, you mean they want GPE as the Sharp stuff is crap |
| 16:03.17 | florian_kc | lardman: For the Zaurus and the original images as well as for the Opie based images. |
| 16:03.24 | florian_kc | lardman: right |
| 16:03.25 | mallum | florian_kc: but it just further blur's gpe and makes dev harder and even slower |
| 16:03.32 | _law_ | terminal doesnt work in the latest gpe build :-( |
| 16:03.41 | _law_ | only root shell |
| 16:04.08 | florian_kc | mallum: slower? |
| 16:04.29 | florian_kc | mallum: you don't need to touche that much to make gpe work on it properly. |
| 16:04.37 | mallum | florian_kc: all apps have to support another display orientation |
| 16:05.03 | florian_kc | mallum: that's not that hard using X and most of them do that anyway. |
| 16:05.16 | florian_kc | mallum: this is not #opie ;-) |
| 16:05.39 | mallum | florian_kc: so I want to write a new GPE app what size should it work in ? |
| 16:06.11 | _law_ | if i switch user (su - law) and start rxvt i get the follwoing error: could not obtain control of tty.law |
| 16:06.12 | mallum | florian_kc: 240x320, 320x240, 600x480, 480x640, 480x800, 800x480, 800x600, 600x800 |
| 16:06.19 | mallum | florian_kc: easy :) |
| 16:06.47 | koen | PAL, UXGA, WGA, etc |
| 16:06.56 | _law_ | icould not obtain control of tty |
| 16:07.03 | florian_kc | _law_: oops... never seen that before. |
| 16:07.09 | mallum | koen: and I havn't even mentioed the range of DPI's |
| 16:07.33 | mallum | koen: but I dunno if GPE even cares about that |
| 16:07.37 | koen | 72 - 200+ |
| 16:07.57 | koen | gtk is pretty smart about that |
| 16:08.14 | koen | it's mostly a matter of provinding icons in different sizes |
| 16:08.39 | florian_kc | mallum: I don't think that's a that bad problem - the major problem is the lack of available and good supported devices. |
| 16:08.42 | mallum | and not telling lies to xserver about dpi |
| 16:08.54 | florian_kc | heh |
| 16:09.16 | RP | The big problem is we support lots of devices badly :-/ |
| 16:09.31 | RP | Opie does a better job of the c7x0 than gpe for example... |
| 16:09.38 | mallum | right |
| 16:09.40 | _law_ | florian_kc: if i close the root console i always get: urxvt: cant get colour '#969696', countinuing without |
| 16:10.07 | florian_kc | mallum: btw... is there anything different for the application if i run it from the panel menu in comparison to running it from the desktop? |
| 16:10.21 | mallum | flo_770: shouldn't be |
| 16:10.40 | koen | gpe needs a device framework live Odevice |
| 16:11.02 | florian_kc | RP: That's right... mostly because there are only a few of these devices around here. |
| 16:11.07 | koen | or whatever they call abstractions layers |
| 16:11.58 | mallum | koen: that would make much more sense than blindly hacking crappy GPE support on X random device |
| 16:12.00 | florian_kc | mallum: Whenever someone runs gpe-conf look&feel applet from desktop on devices with a large screen it freezes, it never happens starting from the menu. |
| 16:12.07 | RP | florian_kc: I wouldn't know where to start trying to tune gpe to the c7x0 - see koen's point about an abstraction layer |
| 16:12.21 | florian_kc | koen: right |
| 16:12.41 | florian_kc | mallum: noone hacks blindly here... maybe propose something useful on the mailinglist. |
| 16:13.35 | mallum | florian_kc: can be bothered |
| 16:13.41 | mallum | florian_kc: ;) |
| 16:14.06 | florian_kc | RP: The main problem are button mapping and power management control imho. bedboi just started a hardware control framework. |
| 16:14.24 | mallum | florian_kc: I think various people have proven that even posting on the mailing lists helps nothing |
| 16:14.34 | mallum | florian_kc: you and nils carry on regardless ;) |
| 16:14.42 | __moray | florian_kc: yeah, hardware differences already shouldn't affect the normal apps, though obviously screen size can |
| 16:14.59 | florian_kc | mallum: suggestions are on thing - but manpower is something else. |
| 16:15.14 | mallum | __moray: hardware differences in terms of having a keyboard not having a keyboard do |
| 16:15.44 | lardman | RP: the only thing which annoys me about the c7x0 support now is the lack of screen-closed switch detection, but I'm working on it, gradually |
| 16:15.56 | florian_kc | __moray: indeed - most applications work pretty well on differen screen sizes and with or without keyboard. |
| 16:16.08 | __moray | mallum: sure that makes a difference to how people use apps, but desktop coders are already used to supporting keyboard/pointer-based use |
| 16:16.16 | lardman | florian_kc: surely the power management issue is the same for the iPAQs too? |
| 16:16.39 | mallum | __moray: yeah afaik GPE only really supports the ipaq in terms of key shortcut set up |
| 16:17.05 | florian_kc | lardman: it depends... i'm not sure about the newer models, but i guess ipaq-sleep won't scale that well. |
| 16:17.34 | lardman | florian_kc: ipaq-sleep is bare-bones, but it works (as well as it does on the iPAQs) on my c7x0 |
| 16:17.52 | florian_kc | mallum: that's not really correct - you can create a button setup configuration now, but we currently only have one for the older iPaqs. |
| 16:18.01 | __moray | mallum: right; the really device/evironment-independent bits are the limited number I've packaged for Debian I think... (though I haven't bothered with games etc.) |
| 16:18.35 | __moray | anyway, I have to go for now; might look at calendar stuff later if mccarthy uploads |
| 16:19.03 | mallum | florian_kc: useing mb shortcuts yet ? |
| 16:19.05 | florian_kc | lardman: that's good... on the Integral it doesn't work well. |
| 16:19.15 | florian_kc | mallum: no, but that's on my todo. |
| 16:20.45 | florian_kc | I really think about extending bedbois device control framework a little bit to the features libosso provides for device configuration tools and related stuff. |
| 16:21.06 | koen | and steal from Odevice |
| 16:21.07 | florian_kc | mallum: what do you think about that libosso? |
| 16:21.12 | koen | the info is out there |
| 16:21.22 | florian_kc | koen: that's nasty c++ :-( |
| 16:21.38 | koen | florian_kc: but still, it has all the info |
| 16:22.02 | mallum | florian_kc: havn't really looked at it to be honest |
| 16:22.13 | florian_kc | koen: we can take it, but we need a proper abstraction layer with ipc - i don't want to run everything as root like opie does. |
| 16:22.32 | florian_kc | mallum: ah okay |
| 16:22.37 | lardman | In that case gpe-image should ship with sudo |
| 16:23.01 | koen | florian_kc: I meant using the info, not the code |
| 16:23.19 | mallum | this would be a use for uHal :) |
| 16:23.32 | florian_kc | koen: yeah okay.. |
| 16:23.38 | florian_kc | mallum: indeed |
| 16:23.52 | florian_kc | argh... who brole samba in oe?! |
| 16:24.01 | florian_kc | s/brole/broke |
| 16:24.08 | koen | it build yesterday |
| 16:24.42 | koen | built* |
| 16:24.48 | florian_kc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.00 | koen | libc mismatch? |
| 16:25.04 | florian_kc | that's 3.0.14a |
| 16:25.36 | florian_kc | maybe... but i remember it just built a new one too. |
| 16:28.47 | koen | ah |
| 16:28.49 | koen | same here |
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| 16:35.02 | alan|home | hello ! |
| 16:35.29 | koen | hey alan|home |
| 16:35.31 | alan|home | has anyone been able to run kbpp on GPE ? |
| 16:35.35 | alan|home | yo koen ! |
| 16:35.42 | alan|home | how are you ? |
| 16:35.53 | koen | great and you? |
| 16:36.08 | alan|home | fine : i think i'll soon have a new job ^^ |
| 16:38.15 | florian_kc | hi alan|home |
| 16:38.31 | alan|home | hi florian_kc |
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| 16:39.50 | _law_ | what version of rxvt will be used by default? |
| 16:40.22 | _law_ | where can i find this, or where can i set this? |
| 16:40.38 | florian_kc | _law_: in your own builds? |
| 16:40.49 | _law_ | florian_kc: yes |
| 16:41.01 | _law_ | i allways use bitbake gpe-image |
| 16:41.05 | _law_ | always |
| 16:42.03 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.47 | alan|home | noone uses a IR keyboard here ? |
| 16:46.06 | florian_kc | _law_: that depends on your "DISTRO" setting. |
| 16:46.45 | florian_kc | alan|home: usually not... which one do you intend to use? |
| 16:49.39 | alan|home | florian_kc: well... a brandless french keyboard i used on my Plam Zire ^^' |
| 16:51.13 | florian_kc | alan|home: try some settings for kbdd, maybe with the new gui setup in "Keys&Buttons" and report if it works with some setup and if the GUI works for you. |
| 16:51.34 | florian_kc | koen: I have updates for gpe-contacts-maemo and hildon-fm :-) |
| 16:52.46 | koen | gpe-contacts-hildon it is |
| 16:53.06 | florian_kc | right - that would be more correct :-) |
| 16:53.16 | alan|home | i'll be back asap |
| 16:53.46 | florian_kc | i have it running in latest image, but the theme stuf is still not correct. |
| 16:53.52 | _law_ | DISTRO = "openzaurus" |
| 16:54.08 | koen | use openzaurus-3.5.4 |
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| 16:56.40 | koen | hey france_ |
| 16:58.29 | florian_kc | hi france |
| 16:58.32 | florian_kc | eh france_ |
| 17:00.40 | france_ | koen: hi |
| 17:00.41 | france_ | florian_kc: hi |
| 17:08.48 | florian_kc | brb |
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| 17:23.14 | mimecar | hi |
| 17:26.13 | koen | hey mimecar |
| 17:28.38 | lardman|busy | bye all |
| 17:29.12 | mimecar | hi koen |
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| 17:43.27 | florian | re |
| 17:48.20 | _law_ | same problem with openzaurus3.5.4 |
| 18:04.40 | koen | hey florian |
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| 18:24.12 | florian | bbl |
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| 21:35.42 | reenoo | evening |
| 21:36.16 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 21:36.29 | loewe- | Wee, that was a painless switch to ubuntu. |
| 21:36.45 | loewe- | Better then painless, works better than my previous setup. |
| 21:36.46 | reenoo | yo koen |
| 21:36.53 | loewe- | than* |
| 21:37.40 | dweazle | loewe-: if you run hoary, stick with it .. i'm now running breezy and it's totally broken |
| 21:38.45 | koen | I'm very happy now that Xgl is working |
| 21:39.26 | dweazle | koen: nice :) .. is it stable enough for everyday use? |
| 21:39.35 | dweazle | prolly not, but i just had to ask |
| 21:39.50 | koen | it hasn't crashed |
| 21:39.53 | koen | yet |
| 21:40.07 | dweazle | nice :) |
| 21:45.30 | loewe- | dweazle, yeah, I'm on hoary. |
| 21:45.43 | loewe- | I don't like their 'admin' system. |
| 21:45.49 | loewe- | At least as it comes out of the box. |
| 21:45.58 | koen | loewe-: vi? |
| 21:46.03 | loewe- | ? |
| 21:46.04 | koen | everybody likes vi :) |
| 21:46.12 | koen | vi is my admin gui |
| 21:46.27 | loewe- | That's not what I meant. |
| 21:46.28 | loewe- | :) |
| 21:46.37 | loewe- | And I'm more of an emacs guy anywho ;) |
| 21:46.37 | koen | (vim actually) |
| 21:47.08 | reenoo | ~emacs |
| 21:47.08 | ibot | methinks emacs is Editor MACroS. Emacs is the extensible, customizable, self-documenting real-time display editor. |
| 21:47.42 | reenoo | hmm |
| 21:48.08 | dweazle | ~vi |
| 21:48.08 | ibot | i heard vi is the best text editor in the world. |
| 21:48.14 | dweazle | \o/ |
| 21:48.39 | loewe- | He heard lies! |
| 21:48.49 | koen | ~opie |
| 21:48.50 | ibot | from memory, opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info at http://opie.handhelds.org/ or in the #opie channel. Installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?OpieInstallation or respect, API http://handhelds.org/~zecke/apidocs/, or a nose-hair trimming device invented by Steve Ballmer in his high-school days |
| 21:48.56 | loewe- | ~life |
| 21:48.56 | ibot | life is the disease, drugs are the cure. |
| 21:49.14 | koen | ~whaleslap emacs |
| 21:49.14 | ibot | ACTION slaps emacs upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 21:49.21 | loewe- | :( |
| 21:49.23 | dweazle | haha |
| 21:49.51 | loewe- | Any of you know of a nice vhdl suite for linux? |
| 21:50.00 | reenoo | poor hugh |
| 21:50.38 | loewe- | Something like ISE put out by xilinx preferably. |
| 21:51.16 | koen | heh |
| 21:51.28 | koen | ahdl left me with traumas |
| 21:51.46 | koen | I just dislike vhdl |
| 21:51.55 | cmarqu | Eh, VHDL rules! |
| 21:51.56 | loewe- | I don't mind :) |
| 21:51.56 | dweazle | ~vhdl |
| 21:52.08 | loewe- | Makes using fpga's a good time ;) |
| 21:52.12 | dweazle | mm.. |
| 21:52.16 | reenoo | koen: any plans to attend the oldenburg linux kernel developers meeting btw? |
| 21:52.26 | cmarqu | loewe-: ghdl.free.fr - but that's "just" a simulator |
| 21:52.33 | loewe- | Yeah, I've seen it. |
| 21:52.33 | koen | reenoo: not really |
| 21:52.44 | loewe- | I want something more "pushy-clicly friendly" |
| 21:52.51 | loewe- | clicky* |
| 21:52.53 | loewe- | :p |
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| 21:54.42 | koen | reenoo: not being a kernel dev for a start |
| 21:54.46 | cmarqu | I had to click through my whole diploma thesis, and I am so grateful now for makefiles and scripts. |
| 21:56.16 | reenoo | koen: ah, that's not a problem. joey hosted a d-i hackfest last year. I don't think he'd mind a handhelds micro-conference either although I haven't had a chance to talk to him yet. |
| 21:56.31 | koen | when is it going down? |
| 21:57.06 | reenoo | last week of september |
| 21:57.31 | koen | I guess I'll have some time |
| 21:57.34 | reenoo | http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200504211710 |
| 21:57.53 | koen | taking comp-arch for the 3rd time.... |
| 21:58.21 | reenoo | oh dear. how come? |
| 21:58.39 | koen | the book covers 10% of the exam |
| 21:59.00 | koen | the remaining 90% is in a reader which is hard to find |
| 21:59.18 | koen | and I got shafted when they shuffeled stuff around |
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| 21:59.56 | lardman | Evening all |
| 21:59.58 | koen | they did lectures on caches and stuff we already knew from computersystems and cancelled the other courses on the new stuff |
| 22:00.01 | koen | hey lardman |
| 22:00.09 | lardman | hi koen |
| 22:00.11 | reenoo | koen: ! |
| 22:00.19 | reenoo | hi lardman |
| 22:00.23 | lardman | Anyone running a recent build of GPE? |
| 22:00.26 | lardman | hi reenoo |
| 22:00.36 | koen | I did complete the practical part |
| 22:00.52 | koen | linex kernel dev and turbo c++ in DOS |
| 22:00.57 | reenoo | koen: well, that officially sucks :/ |
| 22:01.02 | koen | C++: never again! |
| 22:01.12 | reenoo | heh |
| 22:01.18 | koen | and INT13 should die! |
| 22:01.42 | reenoo | so many things you could fix in opie with decent c++ knowledge! |
| 22:02.13 | koen | lardman: I'm running a OZ c7x0 image from a week ago |
| 22:02.50 | *** part/#gpe pH5 (~ph5@e178235130.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 22:03.02 | lardman | koen: I presume it works? |
| 22:03.18 | koen | very well |
| 22:03.23 | koen | suspend, resume |
| 22:03.26 | lardman | koen: I've had issues for a while - xserver dies on resume, no pointer, etc. |
| 22:04.45 | koen | reenoo: going to germany is also a nice excuse to drink some weissbier |
| 22:05.45 | lardman | koen: and this has been going on for me since the start of June - I have to keep going back to an initrd.bin from the middle of May to get it usable |
| 22:06.19 | koen | distro=openzaurus or distro-openzaurus-3.5.4? |
| 22:06.25 | lardman | openzaurus |
| 22:06.39 | lardman | which have you been using? |
| 22:06.47 | koen | 3.5.4 |
| 22:06.57 | lardman | ok, I'll give that a go, thanks |
| 22:06.58 | koen | as that includes preferred-gpe-versions.inc |
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| 22:07.08 | koen | http://gallery.infodrom.org/2004-09-Meeting/dsc00795.html <- is that florian? |
| 22:07.11 | lardman | cool |
| 22:07.42 | reenoo | koen: yes. the other guy is probably ole |
| 22:08.15 | loewe- | cmarqu, I prefer that too, just now when it comes to vhdl. |
| 22:08.28 | koen | florian is one of the rare persons that always seem to smile |
| 22:14.50 | reenoo | http://gallery.infodrom.org/2004-09-Meeting/dsc00877.jpg <- florian, ole, me |
| 22:15.02 | reenoo | didn't know those pics existed |
| 22:15.04 | reenoo | heh |
| 22:16.51 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 22:16.55 | koen | 'night |
| 22:20.31 | koen | 'night all |
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| 23:51.52 | lardman | night all |
