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07:41.47koengood morning all
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07:45.36__law__morning
07:46.02koenhey __law__
07:46.44__law__i am think about a new linux pda, what should i use? nokia 770 or a zaurus?
07:47.11koenor an ipaq hx4700
07:47.17__law__are the kernel sources for the nokia 770 free?
07:47.26koenno kernel sources yet
07:51.50koenif you don't need the keyboard I'd go for the 770 (lacks cf) of the hx4700 (wireless not working yet)
07:53.01koens/of/or/
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08:28.07rob_whey all
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08:37.12koenhey rob_w
08:50.49__law__koen, will there ever be kernel sources?
08:52.17koenno idea
08:52.24koenyou know as much as I do about that :(
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09:42.05pb_florian_kc: good morning!
09:42.17florian_kcgood morning!
09:42.38florian_kchrm... that netbook stuff needs some care.
09:43.51pb_oh dear
09:44.19florian_kcI wonder where Wookey hides...
09:44.36koenhey florian_kc
09:45.19koen<queue obvious joke about star wars>
09:47.10florian_kchi koen
09:47.45florian_kcThe Netbook kernel doesn't compile with latest compiler in OE.
09:49.15florian_kcI remember Wookey intended to work on pushing the Netbook stuff upstream...
09:50.38pb_Try setting KERNEL_CCSUFFIX to "3.3.4" or something, like we do for the ipaq kernels.
09:58.32florian_kcokay, thanks...
10:01.57Arjanhey, I'm having an issue with the minilite program
10:02.28ArjanI'm using a 2.6 kernel with the backlight class, and that doesn't work nicely with minilite
10:02.58koenminilite lacks scaling
10:03.05koenit doesn't use max_brightness
10:03.41Arjanthe problem is that the /sys entries of the backlight class are generated with 644 permissions for root. so the normal gpe user can't change the brightness since it's read-only for him
10:04.03florian_kcah... that sucks
10:04.26florian_kcWe should introduce some framework for all these hardware settings.
10:04.35ArjanI can fix the scaling, but the permissions can only be solved by either the backlight class author (change permissions) or the minilite author (add suid bit like gpe-conf)
10:05.14florian_kcArjan: a fix for scaling would be great...
10:05.57Arjanyes, but there's one problem: I'm not able to test it :)
10:05.58pb_I think the right place to fix the permissions thing is in gpe-session-scripts, same as we do with all the other devices.
10:06.18pb_or gpe-login, whichever package it is that has the pre-session script in
10:06.36florian_kcpb_: ah yes, that's a good idea.
10:12.02Arjancan someone do that for me? gpe-session is unknown territory for me
10:15.18florian_kcArjan: yes... whats the full patth to this file?
10:15.59koenyou'll have to use a wildcard for the fbname
10:16.05koenlcdname even
10:17.09Arjanflorian_kc: /sys/class/backlight/*/* iirc, which is in my case /sys/class/backlight/s3c2410-bl/brightness
10:17.14koenmickey|meeting: if you send me your monotone key we can see how well it works with 3 repos
10:18.25florian_kcArjan: ok.. let me see
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10:28.04Arjanflorian_kc: adding this to the script would fix it:
10:28.06Arjanif [ -d /sys/class/backlight ]; then
10:28.06Arjanchown -R $USER /sys/class/backlight/*
10:28.06Arjanfi
10:28.32Arjanbut I don't know if that's the preferred way
10:31.01florian_kcArjan: yes right, imho that's what we want
10:34.14florian_kcArjan: it's in
10:34.43CwiiisMorning all
10:34.48koenhey Cwiiis
10:34.52Arjanflorian_kc: thanks!
10:35.17florian_kchi Cwiiis
10:36.11Arjanas soon as it's in the gpe-image I'll write a patch for minilite to support max_brightness
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10:37.54florian_kcArjan: great
10:38.41florian_kcI  i have a free minute to test it i release a new gpe-login
10:50.54lardman|workAnyone tried mplayer?
10:51.40lardman|workhttp://pastebin.ca/15075 it's not producing any sounds for me
10:55.04koentry -ac mad
10:55.59koenor ac=mad in ~/.mplayer/config
10:56.13lardman|workgood call, thanks
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11:45.08rob_wpdawhy and what happens when my battery is learning?
11:45.47koenit measures its "full" level
11:45.59koenso it knows when to stop charging
11:46.10koenand also what percentage you are
11:46.20rob_wpdahmm,
11:46.35koenit's a calibration
11:46.36rob_wpdalearn good my little battery,
11:47.04rob_wpdahope u will get big and strong
11:49.06rob_wpdakoen, hacking this gsm phone is not really atm
11:49.14rob_wpdai/fun/
11:49.20koenit's not?
11:49.38rob_wpdawell, yes but not now
11:50.11rob_wpdatoo many other things going one
11:52.16rob_wpdai will need to re-arrange the general communication, to better understand it
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11:56.21rob_wpdahi jobi
12:01.20rob_wpdaok i bbl let it charge a bit
12:03.44JiniDogWhy does OE list gpe-appmgr and gpe-icons as dependencies for gpe-conf, although the gpe-dependency map does not ?
12:05.28florian_kcJiniDog: oh... gpe-appmgr a dependency of gpe-conf... i thought we fixed this some time ago.
12:06.53koenmust have overlooked the icons
12:08.49bedboihi all
12:09.14JiniDogflorian_kc, so what?
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12:09.22JiniDogis it a dependency or not?
12:10.54florian_kcJiniDog: no...
12:11.16koenheh, I also misspelled tetris
12:12.22JiniDogand what about gpe-icons?
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12:15.07florian_kcJiniDog: that's a dependency
12:18.32JiniDogit is not listed in the dependency map, maybe someone corrects that
12:20.42florian_kcright
12:22.44koenDone
12:23.15JiniDogthere is this nls problem with gpe-login again
12:24.22JiniDogand with gpe-ownerinfo, I believe there was a fix for that in CVS, was it?
12:24.49JiniDogah, yes
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12:29.53JiniDogdont you want to make a release of that? would make thinks easier for my
12:29.54JiniDogme
12:58.04lardman|workIs anyone running 2.6 on an iPAQ here?
12:58.14lardman|work(kernel version that is)
12:59.24koenperiodically on my h5550, constant on the hx4700 and hopefully on my h2210
13:00.14lardman|workwhere does the backlight control reside? /sys/class/backlight ?
13:00.25koenyes
13:00.40lardman|workin a subdir though? what is that called?
13:00.43koen/sys/class/backlight/*/brightness
13:00.53lardman|workwhat is * in your case?
13:00.59koenthe name of the lcd
13:01.06lardman|workah, I suppose there can only be one anyway
13:01.07koenwhich varies from device to device
13:01.19lardman|workyep, so knowing the exact name doesn't actually matter
13:01.35lardman|workand you have brightness, max_brightness & power in there?
13:01.37koenonly if a device has 2 of them
13:01.41koen*very unlikely*
13:01.49koenlardman|work: yes, those 3
13:01.55lardman|workcool, thanks
13:01.57koen~hail kernel 2.6 standards
13:01.58ibotACTION bows down to kernel 2.6 standards and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
13:02.20koenflorian_kc: you mean device abstraction like opie's ODevice?
13:03.53florian_kckoen: i don't know that much about it... at least some easy to maintain backend communicating with more than one frontend via some useful ipc mechanism (dbus might be the best idea).
13:04.55koen<PROTECTED>
13:05.03lardman|workhow does one cat strings in a shell script?
13:05.07koenbut mickeyl and zecke will know more
13:05.26koenyou mean cat or concat?
13:05.36lardman|workkoen, your one sided conversation is confusing, or is my irc broken?
13:05.40lardman|workI meant concat actually
13:06.04lardman|workconversation with florian_kc that is
13:06.31koenI'm pretty confusing
13:06.42lardman|work:)
13:06.48JiniDogflorian_kc:
13:06.49JiniDoggpe-login.c:18:21: libintl.h: No such file or directory
13:06.49JiniDoggpe-login.c:44:27: gpe-ownerinfo.h: No such file or directory
13:06.49JiniDoggpe-login.c: In function `enter_lock_callback':
13:06.49JiniDoggpe-login.c:496: warning: implicit declaration of function `gettext'
13:06.55JiniDognls again
13:06.56JiniDogand
13:07.07JiniDogmissing of gpe-ownerinfo.h
13:07.29JiniDogWhere should I get it from? It's not installed by gpe-ownerinfo
13:11.35florian_kckoen: classes don't help separating privileges
13:12.01koenyeah
13:12.13koenJiniDog: /GPE/gpe-cvs/gpe/base/gpe-ownerinfo/gpe-ownerinfo.h, owner-info should install it
13:12.22florian_kcJiniDog: ownerinfo should have some "install-devel" target or so...
13:12.52florian_kcJiniDog: this gpe-login issue is defintely a bug.
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13:13.55dballesterhi to all
13:14.13JiniDogkoen, can you give an absolute link? I cannot find gpe-ownerinfo here: http://handhelds.org:8080/gpe/dir?d=gpe/base/gpe-ownerinfo
13:15.04florian_kchi dballester
13:16.02JiniDoghmm, this *.h is in my build directory
13:16.21koenhey dballester
13:16.54florian_kckoen: gpe-todo 0.54 is released. gconf-osso updated...
13:18.26JiniDogI cannot find a make-target install-deve
13:18.48florian_kchrm...
13:18.55florian_kc~lart gpe-ownerinfo
13:21.01koen15:20 < CIA-7> koen  * r1.3577 openembedded/packages/gpe-todo/ (gpe-todo_0.54.bb
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13:25.22koenhey mr Allum
13:25.30mallumhey mr koi
13:27.27florian_kckoen: cool
13:27.46florian_kcJiniDog: now we have this target :-)
13:29.34koenflorian_kc: a 1.1M diff!?!?
13:29.59florian_kckoen: args... which one?!
13:30.16koenno-po-no
13:31.13JiniDogflorian_kc, there are more nls flaws in gpe-ownerinfo. NLS-less systems don't want to do the install-mo in make.translations
13:31.53florian_kckoen: that's one of the stupid osso patches
13:32.21florian_kcJiniDog: hell...
13:32.40florian_kcpb_: do you see an easy way to fix this in Makefile.translations
13:32.42florian_kc?
13:33.23JiniDogWhy just make it honor ENABLE_NLS?
13:33.48JiniDogNLS-less systems don't want the msgmft stuff either, I don't know where this is done
13:34.38florian_kchmm yes, that sounds pretty easy,,,
13:34.59florian_kcJiniDog: can you try this and send me a patch?
13:35.40JiniDogI never did more in a makefile than commenting lines out
13:35.43JiniDogI try
13:37.11koenflorian_kc: so the patch is correct?
13:39.39florian_kcJiniDog: cool
13:39.43florian_kckoen: yes :-(
13:40.10rob_wflorian_kc:   LinuxTag ,, get a little beamer and let this channel run :-)
13:40.23lardman|workmy attempt to replace /usr/bin/bl for the 2.6.x machines (http://students.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Zaurus/bl/)
13:40.33lardman|workshell-script I'm afraid as C wasn't agreeing with me
13:40.59florian_kcheh
13:41.24lardman|workit assumes a max value of 255 (to be fed to it, it work out the scaling for the particular device - this needs to be set in ipaq-sleep.conf iirc)
13:41.47florian_kclardman|work: looks like a start...
13:42.21lardman|workit works fine, just ipaq-sleep needs some love now (and it ought to be in C so the older devices can be supported too)
13:42.22florian_kckoen: can we add this in oe to be selected for systems running 2.6 automatically? :-)
13:42.48koenit should be backward compat, so it should get in to bl cvs
13:43.09lardman|workit's not backwards compatible (yet)
13:43.49lardman|workI started modifying bl.c, but kept getting segfaults & was working at home away from my compiler so I moved to shell script
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13:50.21mccarthyhi all
13:50.43mccarthysomeday I will upload the x86 compatible gpe-calendar alarming stuff :)
13:52.12koenhey mccarthy
13:52.48mccarthyhi koen
13:53.11mccarthyalmost every time I resurface I cannot compile the latest CVS ;)
13:53.23mccarthyI guess that makes me come talk to you guys anyway...
13:54.03koenthat's our purpose :)
13:54.54mccarthyI should really upload my changes faster, before they become incompatible or obsolete...
13:55.05mccarthyIt has been working very nicely for a few months now though ;)
13:56.18mccarthyDamn. I *will* actually have time to get back to this *someday*....I was hoping to fix it before the next version of familiar was released, but I may not squeeze it in....
13:56.26mccarthygotta go.
13:56.37koencu
13:56.38mccarthyI will lurk for a bit, but will be gone
13:58.07JiniDogflorian_kc, I got it; it's really simple, make an if-clause around or at the condition; I've done this:
13:58.08JiniDoginstall-mo: all-mo
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13:58.22JiniDogreplace the old all-mo with it
13:58.42JiniDogoh
13:58.43JiniDogeh
13:58.45JiniDogfortget it
13:58.51JiniDogthere is a error now
14:00.04JiniDogsyntax error
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14:10.38JiniDogthis is right:
14:10.39JiniDoginstall-mo: all-mo
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14:10.46JiniDogmoreover you need this:
14:11.40JiniDogmoment please, I'm working on the msgfmt stuff
14:16.03JiniDogoh, corruption in the post above
14:16.36JiniDogthis should be right
14:16.36JiniDoginstall-mo: all-mo
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14:16.58koencan you pastebin that?
14:21.42JiniDogIf you tell me what pastebin is
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14:25.14koen~pastebin
14:25.16ibotwell, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca
14:27.15JiniDogthere: http://pastebin.ca/15083
14:27.22JiniDogthe first rule should workd
14:27.43JiniDogthe second one gives a syntax error I cannot resolve at the moment; no time anymore
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14:40.15florian_kcre
14:40.23koenflorian_kc: wb
14:58.36pb_hi jamey_
14:59.01pb_hi mccarthy
15:00.01florian_kckoen: and we have lingpepimc 0.5 now.
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15:02.50koeno.5?
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15:04.25jamey_hi pb_
15:06.50koenflorian_kc: they are in
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15:09.18koenhey tigrux
15:09.42tigruxHello master koen.
15:09.45tigruxHello florian_kc
15:09.55tigruxpb_: Master, good afternoon.
15:11.06pb_tigrux: hello!
15:15.19gdsxmoo
15:17.24rob_whmm that looks bad ..
15:18.16rob_won linux/gpe i jsut dont get any byte out of the gsm card ,, a test on windows with the provided software and driver , windows immidiatly reboots :-(
15:18.39pb_hi gdsx
15:18.41jameyrob_w: which platform and which gsm card?
15:19.21rob_wjamey , i have a anycom gsp cf card ,  during access on linux i stay quiet
15:19.28rob_wand on windos it reboots
15:20.12jameyhmm
15:20.19jameyhave you seen this: http://tuxmobil.org/pcmcia_cf_anycom_gprs.html
15:20.22jameybbl
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15:24.03koenflorian_kc: wb
15:24.10florian_kchi tigrux
15:24.33florian_kckoen: uh... where ?! that was a big but imho i fixed that.
15:25.39koen?
15:26.48florian_kckoen: the "0.6"
15:27.17koenI had 0.6 in my OE repo
15:27.22koenprobablt my mistake
15:27.28koenprobably even
15:30.22florian_kckoen: i accidentally had a 0.6 version in cvs lately, but that was caused by incrementing twice.
15:32.10koenI see
15:37.19florian_kcAs soon as i have a maemo image with a single application working i can proceed to prepare for LinuxTag.
15:38.05koencool
15:38.46florian_kcyep... the plan is to get gpe-todo working.
15:40.25florian_kckoen: the new libgpepimc uses autotools:
15:40.36florian_kcSRC_URI     = "${GPE_MIRROR}/${PN}-${PV}.tar.bz2"
15:40.43florian_kcand
15:40.46florian_kcinherit pkgconfig autotools
15:41.05florian_kclooks like autotools.bbclass and gpe.bbclass bite each other.
15:41.16florian_kcand remove the install section.
15:41.55koenhmmm
15:42.00koenpb_ was affraid of that
15:49.21florian_kcyep.. gpe.bbclass overwrites SRC_URI
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15:54.12koenbut SRC_URI is specified after the inherit
15:55.27florian_kchmm indeed... i wonder what went wrong here.
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16:12.58florian_kckoen: i have a working package for libgpepimc 0.5 in the usual place.
16:13.08koenok
16:14.19florian_kchmm well... it will overwrite the original maintainer... i copied it from the hildon version bb.
16:16.05koenshould it depends on hildon-lgpl?
16:16.32koenI'll try to fudge it into the .inc
16:17.27florian_kcgnaa
16:17.40florian_kckoen: no... anothere c+p bug.
16:21.13koenok, I should have it correct now
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16:23.53florian_kccool
16:24.15florian_kcand i have gpe-todo running in that maemo image... but it looks really bad
16:24.35koengerman engineering
16:25.14florian_kc*g*
16:26.07koenmy girlfriend just hinted that the movies starts in 10 minutes
16:26.10koengotta run
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18:13.35florian_kcibot: pdf for gpe?
18:13.36ibotpdf for gpe is, like, at http://www.pdaxrom.org/ipk_feed.php?menuid=11&getfile=xpdf_2.03_armv5tel.ipk&ipkname=xpdf&ipktable=ipkfeed
18:14.48stealthoh xpdf works? because gpdf dosent
18:24.07stealthroot@h3600:/home/stealth# ipkg install xpdf_2.03_armv5tel.ipk -force-depends
18:24.07stealthClearing state_want and state_flag for pkg=xpdf (arch_priority=0 flag=16 want=2)
18:24.07stealthNothing to be done
18:24.07stealthAn error ocurred, return value: 4.
18:24.07stealthCollected errors:
18:24.08stealthCannot find package xpdf.
18:24.10stealthCheck the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update'
18:25.16stealthsad
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18:31.23rob_whmm pdf ,, i just would need this
18:31.32stealthindeed
18:31.39stealththe question still remains.. pdf on gpe?
18:31.53rob_wlet me check
18:32.06stealthxpdf cant install the pdf,and gpdf complains about gnome vfs and gconf
18:32.36rob_whm what is with gnome vfs and gconf ?
18:32.41stealthwhen i go to install gpdf it says gconf-dbus already has that package so i uninstall it and have it install regular gconf, although that odsent work
18:33.26stealthlemme reinstall dbus, seems more important for the message handling
18:33.28rob_wwhat ? , do you mean gconf-dbus has already provided some file ?
18:33.35stealthyes
18:33.55stealth:-/
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18:34.57rob_wlooks like your xpdf package is for sharp devices ..
18:36.46stealthflorian_kc, that is for sharp devices
18:38.07florian_kcstealth: it shouldn't matter... they are binary compatible.
18:38.21florian_kcbut theere might be something better in oe
18:39.01stealthgpdf is broke
18:40.25bedboii never seen xpdf on pda
18:40.35Philippeevening guys
18:40.41stealthxpdf uses floating point dosent it?
18:40.52florian_kchi Philippe
18:40.57stealthwhouldent that suck on pdf?
18:40.59stealther pdfa
18:41.02stealthpda :D
18:41.04florian_kcpdf on pdas sucks in general...
18:41.26stealthwell 90% of datasheets and ebooks are pdf
18:41.29stealthso
18:42.05florian_kcstealth: pdf is a page description language... and your pda screen is way too small for A4 or letter.
18:42.08stealthsuck, maybe.. useful . yes
18:42.35stealthi can drag around
18:43.01stealthi had qpdf working once in opie.. yes once. I believe that is a port of xpdf
18:49.38rob_wwhat is the latest DISTRO string ?
18:55.00koen|cinemaibot: forget pdf for gpe
18:55.00ibotkoen|cinema: i forgot pdf for gpe
18:55.15koenxpdf need full xlibs
19:06.42florian_kcbbl
19:24.43stealthwhen loading gpdf I get: Failed to activate the configuration server: THe service org.gnome.GConf was not found in the activation entry list ?
19:25.53koenthat one is pretty harmless (and already fixed :))
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