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| 01:19.52 | reenoo | 'night all |
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| 08:44.53 | tapo | is there another web browser in gpe (already knowing minimo)? |
| 08:45.28 | rob_wpda | tapo: check dillo2 |
| 08:46.16 | tapo | ah, knew that before.. couldnt remember the name |
| 08:46.58 | rob_wpda | it has a much smaller footprint |
| 08:47.55 | tapo | and I hope the back function works :) |
| 08:48.36 | tapo | but first I try to haveipkg store its files on my sd card. |
| 08:49.05 | rob_wpda | well dillo doesnt know https |
| 08:50.38 | rob_wpda | i remeber that ipkg has a problem with /media paths |
| 08:50.50 | tapo | ok, hopefully it knows table tags |
| 08:50.53 | rob_wpda | so use symlinked to /mnt |
| 08:50.54 | tapo | rob_wpda: oh no |
| 08:51.06 | rob_wpda | table tags ? |
| 08:51.11 | tapo | I try a soft link |
| 08:51.29 | tapo | rob_wpda: yes, html with <table><tr><td>hello</td><td>tapo</td></tr></table> |
| 08:51.47 | rob_wpda | ah |
| 08:54.28 | tapo | eeek, thats much faster with /usr/lib/ipkg on sd card (sl-5500) |
| 08:57.29 | tapo | yes, probably theres a problem with/media... I'll try the mnt thing |
| 08:57.40 | tapo | oh, progress :) |
| 09:00.49 | tapo | when I ipkg remove minimo - does it clean the links ipkg-link created? minimo is on /media/card/packages/* |
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| 09:24.53 | tapo | segfault in dillo (repost from ...) |
| 09:47.14 | tapo | I did ipkg download file.ipk , 'ar x'ed it, changed the dependencies, repacked it. but how can I install this local package (with dependencies in the internet) ? |
| 09:47.55 | tapo | I could provide a feed on a web site, but that is my last choice |
| 09:48.41 | tapo | can I place in a special directory? |
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| 10:23.09 | dc_ | morning pb_ |
| 10:24.16 | pb_ | dc_: good morning |
| 10:24.35 | dc_ | I'm off for breakfast... |
| 10:24.42 | dc_ | it's great owning a cafe :D |
| 10:24.52 | pb_ | hehe |
| 10:24.56 | pb_ | bon appetit |
| 10:25.08 | pigeon | ! |
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| 10:51.36 | tapo | can anyone help me with this ipkg update problem? |
| 10:51.39 | tapo | Downloading http://www.taponet.de/zaurus/tapofeed/(null) |
| 10:51.39 | tapo | sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 10:52.14 | tapo | (please :) ) |
| 10:55.26 | pb_ | what does your ipkg.conf line look like? |
| 10:59.26 | tapo | ah |
| 10:59.42 | tapo | dest root / |
| 10:59.42 | tapo | dest cf /media/cf/packages/ |
| 10:59.42 | tapo | dest sd /media/card/packages/ |
| 10:59.42 | tapo | dest ram /media/ram/packages/ |
| 10:59.48 | tapo | all other lines are comments |
| 11:00.02 | tapo | thats not the problem I think |
| 11:00.30 | tapo | what about /etc/ipkg/tapo-feed.conf ? |
| 11:00.41 | tapo | src/gz tapofeed http://www.taponet.de/zaurus/tapofeed |
| 11:01.31 | pb_ | mm, that looks ok |
| 11:01.37 | pb_ | does it work if you change src/gz to just "src"? |
| 11:08.06 | tapo | I'll try (cooking :)) |
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| 11:11.43 | tapo | (now trying to install) |
| 11:17.13 | tapo | Downloading http://www.taponet.de/zaurus/tapofeed/(null) |
| 11:17.13 | tapo | sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 11:17.13 | tapo | Configuring unpacked packages |
| 11:17.13 | tapo | Nothing to be done |
| 11:17.13 | tapo | An error ocurred, return value: 22. |
| 11:17.14 | tapo | Collected errors: |
| 11:17.18 | tapo | ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 2: `wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-xoqe2f http://www.taponet.de/zaurus/tapofeed/(null)' |
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| 11:17.21 | tapo | Failed to download python-pygtk. Perhaps you need to run 'ipkg update'? |
| 11:17.26 | tapo | strange.... |
| 11:18.00 | pb_ | that is strange. |
| 11:18.03 | tapo | is the Packages.filelist neccessary, and can it be the reason? |
| 11:18.11 | pb_ | no, and no |
| 11:18.57 | pb_ | i guess you need to talk to Pigi, or file a bug. |
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| 11:21.39 | tapo | hm, Index is of on that page. I fake an index.html |
| 11:23.17 | rob_wpda | tapo: and do ur tagged tables work? |
| 11:24.27 | tapo | rob_wpda: on dillo2, yes. but there's no http_auth :) |
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| 11:24.43 | lardman | afternoon all |
| 11:24.52 | rob_wpda | hi lardman |
| 11:25.10 | lardman | hi rob_wpda |
| 11:26.45 | lardman | Does ipaq_sleep handle backlight duties as well as suspending after a given time has elapsed? |
| 11:26.54 | lardman | s/ipaq_sleep/ipaq-sleep |
| 11:27.57 | rob_wpda | at least these 2 things share one config gui |
| 11:28.28 | lardman | yes, the backlight control certainly doesn't work on my C7x0 Zaurus, not sure about suspend time-outs, but I wanted to know where to start poking about |
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| 11:29.08 | mimecar | hi folks |
| 11:29.15 | lardman | hi |
| 11:30.13 | tapo | now that it's so full - is the maintainer of python-pygtk here? :) |
| 11:31.49 | mimecar | xDD |
| 11:31.56 | lardman | from looking at the .bb -> robtaylor |
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| 11:34.56 | reenoo | afternoon |
| 11:35.00 | mimecar | can gpe run on pc ? |
| 11:35.11 | mimecar | without vnc |
| 11:35.15 | rob_wpda | mimecar: of coourse |
| 11:35.28 | mimecar | I'm searching rpm |
| 11:35.45 | rob_wpda | i guess there is none |
| 11:36.04 | mimecar | ok |
| 11:36.26 | mimecar | irda works ? |
| 11:36.31 | mimecar | (on zaurus) |
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| 11:36.42 | rob_wpda | oe will create x86 binaries also |
| 11:36.48 | pb_ | zecke: yo |
| 11:37.52 | lardman | mimecar: not sure, I've not tested it |
| 11:38.03 | mimecar | I have a nokia 6600 |
| 11:38.16 | mimecar | it looks two devices find themselves |
| 11:38.27 | rob_wpda | mimecar: works for ipaqs |
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| 11:38.51 | mimecar | isn't the same as opie irda ? |
| 11:39.37 | lardman | you say they see one another, what then? |
| 11:39.38 | rob_wpda | mimecar: only the gui is different imho |
| 11:40.02 | mimecar | I have test irda with opie (works) |
| 11:40.13 | mimecar | and with my version of gpe no |
| 11:40.24 | mimecar | (i have the 3.5.3 version, not update) |
| 11:41.15 | lardman | it won't transfer, or won't detect? |
| 11:41.45 | lardman | if it's transfer, there are a couple of different modules aren't there? Perhaps the appropriate ones aren't in the image |
| 11:41.46 | mimecar | won't transfer |
| 11:42.07 | mimecar | i know there're some changes for some mobiles |
| 11:42.52 | tapo | I downloaded a ipk file with ipkg download name - how can I install this package from local filesystem? |
| 11:43.06 | lardman | Anyone know what handles the backlight on GPE? |
| 11:43.12 | mimecar | tapo: have you test package manager ? |
| 11:43.13 | lardman | tapo: ipkg install name?? |
| 11:43.27 | zecke | hey |
| 11:44.10 | tapo | lardman: doesnt that try to load it from internet? |
| 11:44.36 | tapo | probalbly .ipk -> local, otherwise internet? |
| 11:44.38 | lardman | tapo: yep, but you can give the full path and it should work locally too |
| 11:44.51 | lardman | tapo: ipkg install /path/to/file/name.ipk |
| 11:45.27 | tapo | trying "ipkg install python-pygtk_2.4.1-r0_arm.ipk" - this one has one dependeny patched out |
| 11:45.42 | tapo | forgot -d sd. f*** |
| 11:45.57 | lardman | tapo: that will also try to download it - give a path too |
| 11:46.23 | reenoo | lardman: no, that should work |
| 11:46.33 | lardman | reenoo: really? Okay |
| 11:47.22 | tapo | reenoo: but it did not :) |
| 11:48.27 | reenoo | I doubt it |
| 11:48.51 | tapo | root@collie:/media/card/downloads# ipkg install python-pygtk_2.4.1-r0_arm.ipk |
| 11:48.51 | tapo | Nothing to be done |
| 11:48.51 | tapo | An error ocurred, return value: 4. |
| 11:48.51 | tapo | Collected errors: |
| 11:48.51 | tapo | Cannot find package python-pygtk_2.4.1-r0_arm.ipk. |
| 11:48.53 | tapo | Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' |
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| 11:49.17 | tapo | I hope it is not a /media/card problem |
| 11:49.19 | koen | good afternoon all |
| 11:49.25 | mimecar | hi koen |
| 11:49.32 | koen | hey mimecar |
| 11:49.32 | lardman | afternoon koen |
| 11:49.38 | koen | hey lardman |
| 11:49.57 | tapo | "return value 4". what about some words saying what to do? |
| 11:50.33 | lardman | tapo: change the verbosity, -V iirc |
| 11:51.08 | reenoo | hey koen |
| 11:51.14 | tapo | nexttime, yes. |
| 11:51.48 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 11:52.18 | reenoo | tapo: dunno then. I've installed lots of packages that way |
| 11:52.37 | lardman | tapo: have you tried with the path too? |
| 11:54.54 | koen | looks like mickeyl is emulating florian with the vreakfast behaviour |
| 11:55.02 | mimecar | xDD |
| 11:55.13 | koen | breakfast even |
| 11:55.21 | tapo | lardman: yes. same with ipkg -d sd install /mnt/card/downloads/python-pygtk_2.4.1-r0_arm.ipk |
| 11:55.39 | lardman | tapo: did you package this one by hand? |
| 11:55.57 | tapo | yes, because of a dependency problem / arror. |
| 11:55.59 | tapo | error |
| 11:56.18 | lardman | tapo: I've seen this type of error when the control file isn't recognised/contains errors |
| 11:56.21 | tapo | now retrying with -V 2 |
| 11:56.42 | lardman | tapo: Also check that the arch is ok (though I think this produces a more useful error normally) |
| 11:56.50 | tapo | lardman: ok, I'll have a seventh look at it :) |
| 11:57.54 | tapo | the file looks perfectly |
| 11:58.21 | tapo | hrrrrm. |
| 11:58.31 | tapo | -V 2 did not help |
| 11:58.35 | lardman | tapo: no empty lines etc. (this might have been fixed) |
| 12:00.42 | tapo | nothing. I only removed ", glib-2.0-dev" from the "Depends:" line |
| 12:00.59 | tapo | and repacked and so on... |
| 12:01.20 | tapo | pausing... |
| 12:04.15 | mimecar | I have problems with ssh |
| 12:04.34 | mimecar | zaurus refused connection |
| 12:05.51 | tapo | firewall deactivated on z, tuned on pc ? |
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| 12:06.01 | mimecar | on Z yes |
| 12:06.12 | tapo | mimecar: using iptables on pc? |
| 12:06.42 | tapo | hrrm, ipkg refused to install even from /tmp/....ipk |
| 12:07.05 | mimecar | I have firewall running on pc |
| 12:07.32 | mimecar | I can ping zaurus |
| 12:08.28 | lardman | mimecar: I've had troubles with some clients on WinXP - they would be refused; others would work fine |
| 12:08.42 | tapo | lspf +i on Zaurus. Someone listening on *:ssh? |
| 12:08.45 | tapo | lsof |
| 12:08.46 | mimecar | I'm working on linux |
| 12:10.47 | mimecar | zaurus can't ping pc |
| 12:11.16 | tapo | mimecar: pc must accept new connections from usb0 |
| 12:11.32 | mimecar | I have disabled firewall on pc |
| 12:11.50 | tapo | I don't believe that :) |
| 12:12.14 | tapo | iptables -L -v -- does that say "POLICY ACCEPT" on INPUT ? |
| 12:13.55 | mimecar | I don't like zaurus :p |
| 12:14.11 | tapo | it is unusable. :D |
| 12:14.23 | mimecar | i wish i have an ipaq |
| 12:14.40 | tapo | let me just say "An error ocurred, return value: 4." |
| 12:14.41 | lardman | traitor! ;) |
| 12:15.15 | mimecar | can I add local feeds ? |
| 12:15.31 | lardman | mimecar: you should be able to, yes. |
| 12:15.43 | mimecar | what directories ? |
| 12:15.50 | mimecar | from openzaurus feed |
| 12:16.03 | lardman | mimecar: you mean which ones do you need? |
| 12:16.15 | mimecar | I don't know programs I can use on gpe |
| 12:16.25 | mimecar | I only use calendar |
| 12:16.43 | mimecar | I'm goint to dinner |
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| 12:31.38 | tapo | hrrrm, got python and python-pygtk on my Z. now pygtk says it wants to import "fnmatch". crap |
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| 12:40.50 | mimecar | I've return |
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| 13:38.05 | bedboi | anyone knows if mp3 is loss-tolerant? |
| 13:39.22 | pb_ | yes, it is. |
| 13:39.35 | bedboi | hmmm |
| 13:39.37 | bedboi | strange |
| 13:40.32 | bedboi | i'm trying to receive an mp3 through an UDP socket but i can't play it because it contains holes in the file |
| 13:41.18 | pb_ | mm, that's odd. |
| 13:41.47 | pb_ | each frame of MPEG audio is basically independent, so the destruction of part of a file will not affect playback of the following frames. |
| 13:42.03 | pb_ | you can try that for yourself: take an mp3 file, pull random chunks out of it with dd, and try to play them back. |
| 13:42.45 | bedboi | ah, ok |
| 13:42.51 | pb_ | obviously, if the ratio of lost frames to received frames is high enough, your file will have so many holes that none of the frames will be playable. But, unless that's happening, you shouldn't have a problem. |
| 13:43.20 | bedboi | so i have to packetize the mp3 at the server in an intelligent way |
| 13:43.34 | bedboi | that's fair |
| 13:43.38 | pb_ | yes, that would help. |
| 13:44.22 | bedboi | hmmm, i just would like to try a congestion control library i'm writing with some media data |
| 13:44.35 | pb_ | if you can arrange for packet boundaries and frame boundaries to coincide, the chances of recovering data will be improved. |
| 13:45.24 | bedboi | btw i need a library to read mp3 files |
| 13:45.48 | bedboi | i mean something that i can use to packetize file at server |
| 13:46.32 | bedboi | pb_: are you aware of some of this libraries? |
| 13:47.04 | pb_ | bedboi: I can't think of any. |
| 13:50.02 | bedboi | i don't want to put too much effort in this task, cause it's just a dummy example for my library |
| 13:50.18 | bedboi | maybe writing a mp3 streaming media server it's too much |
| 13:53.38 | pb_ | heh, right |
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| 16:31.11 | pb_ | crumbs |
| 16:31.13 | pb_ | * opie (~david@3-1-6-2a.gmt.gbg.bostream.se) has joined #handhelds.org |
| 16:31.34 | pb_ | seems that opie has somehow developed sentient behaviour |
| 16:44.13 | koen | g_printf("feed me"); |
| 16:47.14 | koen | pb_: although I would have expected it to come from .no or .au |
| 16:50.26 | pb_ | heh |
| 16:50.36 | pb_ | I'm not sure Norway is that much of an opie stronghold. |
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| 17:36.12 | molivier | hi all |
| 17:36.17 | molivier | i have got a problem with the gpe-toolchain |
| 17:36.22 | molivier | i can build my apps with no problem, but, i can't see any icone in my apps |
| 17:36.27 | molivier | i also see no text in label |
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| 18:08.34 | *** topic/#gpe is The GPE Palmtop Environment - http://gpe.handhelds.org/ | GPE Wiki: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPEProject | unstable images outdated: http://handhelds.org/~pb/unstable/ | unstable feed now (sort of) working again | familiar snapshots: http://familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/ |
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| 18:20.37 | molivier | koen, not yet |
| 18:21.29 | molivier | koen, what is strange is that if i build my apps with oe, there is no such problem |
| 18:23.24 | koen | strange |
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| 18:43.15 | florian | hi all |
| 18:45.55 | florian | koen: hmm...? |
| 18:46.38 | zecke|assignment | hey florian |
| 18:51.56 | florian | koen: What do you want to tell me? I don't need a new car ;-) |
| 19:13.32 | Philippe | florian, my guess is the link between fuchs and polo fox. |
| 19:14.01 | Philippe | If I remember correctly seeing the botmail pass |
| 19:14.03 | koen | and Philippe gets the fridge! |
| 19:14.08 | koen | re |
| 19:14.19 | Philippe | koen, and it is filled with beer I hope :-) |
| 19:14.41 | koen | :) |
| 19:14.59 | koen | hello florian & Philippe |
| 19:15.31 | koen | spot the luc, florian and nils: http://baptiste.mille-mathias.info/photos/6uadec/img083.jpeg |
| 19:15.51 | koen | also note the maemo shirt |
| 19:27.54 | koen | nice |
| 19:28.57 | florian | heh right :-) |
| 19:29.34 | koen | florian: after the nilsmobil it's time for the fuchsmobil! |
| 19:29.51 | florian | koen: *GG* |
| 19:31.05 | koen | that would save me some walking time next time I attend a conference |
| 19:32.06 | florian | koen: That's almost the same what i have now... http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.wagen.de/bilder/1139b7f1456a23b5b4791090068db5de.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.wagen.de/anzeigen/mazda/626/23291.html&h=225&w=300&sz=17&tbnid=CCx3M_at4DEJ:&tbnh=83&tbnw=111&hl=de&start=2&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmazda%2B626%2Bgd%26hl%3Dde%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:unofficial%26sa%3DN |
| 19:32.17 | florian | uh... what a nasty link |
| 19:32.42 | koen | ah, a mazda |
| 19:32.58 | florian | koen: That guy between Luc and me is Ole. |
| 19:33.01 | Philippe | mozilla:en-US:unofficial <--- could be worse |
| 19:33.31 | Philippe | oh forgot the client%3Dfirefox part |
| 19:33.48 | florian | koen: yep... |
| 19:33.56 | florian | Philippe: uh ideed... |
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| 19:34.42 | florian | koen: That guy with the maemo t-shirt is Ferenc. |
| 19:35.06 | florian | (in fact Nils wears the same...) |
| 19:39.08 | koen | ignore the ipaqs booting opie in the foreground |
| 19:40.22 | florian | :-) |
| 19:46.09 | reenoo | koen: does it boot from flash now? |
| 19:46.14 | koen | yes |
| 19:47.03 | koen | but the bootld or the partitioning is wrong |
| 19:47.14 | koen | booting an image is pure luck |
| 19:47.38 | reenoo | oh. heh |
| 19:48.04 | koen | the opie and qtopia images are having more luck than the gpe image |
| 19:48.29 | reenoo | doh |
| 19:48.39 | koen | the kernel trashes some less important jffs2 sectors with those |
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| 20:24.33 | lardman|away | Is xserver-kdrive building today? |
| 20:25.13 | lardman | http://pastebin.ca/14151 |
| 20:25.16 | koen | it has a fixed cvsdate |
| 20:25.33 | lardman | ah, what would that be (please)? |
| 20:25.52 | koen | ah, you need to build the xextensions 20050610 snapshot |
| 20:26.24 | lardman | for today's kdrive? |
| 20:26.54 | koen | anything after 20050207 |
| 20:27.03 | lardman | okay |
| 20:27.41 | lardman | can I do xextensions_CVSDATE=20050610 or similar? |
| 20:28.09 | koen | if you don't have local hacks and a recent OE, it get's built bby default |
| 20:29.17 | lardman | right I'll try to build it first then |
| 20:29.38 | lardman | I've just realised why my toolchain was rebuilt (muppet) I was in the wrong dir (as you said) |
| 20:29.59 | koen | :) |
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| 21:35.34 | lardman | koen: yo ustill about? |
| 21:35.39 | koen | yes |
| 21:35.53 | koen | want to join me at cursing samsung drives? |
| 21:35.59 | lardman | :) |
| 21:36.00 | koen | ~curse samsung drives |
| 21:36.02 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, samsung drives ! |
| 21:36.26 | lardman | Right, I appear to have xextensions-1.0.1+cvs20050418 built, bus still have an error with kdrive |
| 21:36.38 | lardman | s/bus/built (wierd typo!) |
| 21:36.45 | koen | try the 0610 one |
| 21:37.04 | lardman | how do I do that? |
| 21:37.43 | koen | bitbake -b file.bb |
| 21:38.09 | lardman | oh right, I didn't look to see if there was a specific file in there, sorry |
| 21:46.04 | lardman | koen: fixed, thanks |
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| 22:01.38 | lardman | night all |
| 22:28.58 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 22:48.53 | florian | good night |
| 23:09.54 | cmarqu | "Integrate GPE bluetooth tools into Ubuntu" - http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BluetoothSupport ! |
| 23:11.39 | cmarqu | http://photo.figuiere.net/photodb/rolls/20050528-nokia-party/img_1057.jpg - it's Nils! |
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