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| 08:41.00 | JiniDog | florian_kc, did you do something with that problem of yesterday? |
| 08:41.33 | florian_kc | hi all |
| 08:41.54 | florian_kc | JiniDog: not yet... or wiat... what was the latest problem? |
| 08:50.41 | JiniDog | something with cairo 0.5 |
| 08:52.14 | florian_kc | ah right... |
| 08:56.38 | rob_w-cgi | hi all |
| 08:56.47 | koen | ey rob_w-cgi |
| 08:56.58 | rob_w-cgi | hey koen |
| 09:02.01 | rob_w-cgi | gtk is quite tricky with all those hookups for 2nd windows .. tsts |
| 09:13.35 | tommie | hm, how can I do exactly what gpe-bluetooth does to turn on the bt radio? |
| 09:13.38 | tommie | I want to use it from a script |
| 09:14.01 | hrw|work | tommie: hciconfig hci0 down/up? |
| 09:14.14 | tommie | Can't get device info: No such device |
| 09:14.15 | tommie | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.25 | tommie | It has to be some magic hciattach |
| 09:14.59 | florian_kc | hmmm yes... you need to do this first... but i don't remember the magic spoke |
| 09:15.05 | tommie | | root@zepto:~# hciattach /dev/tts/1 any 921600 |
| 09:15.05 | tommie | | root@zepto:~# hciconfig hci0 up |
| 09:15.05 | tommie | | root@zepto:~# |
| 09:15.06 | koen | sh /etc/bluetooth/hciattach |
| 09:15.07 | tommie | hm |
| 09:15.11 | tommie | no news is good news? |
| 09:15.17 | tommie | ah, it's flashing blue :D |
| 09:15.28 | tommie | but gpe-bluetooth does not notice that |
| 09:15.35 | tommie | so it does not poll the actual status? |
| 09:15.46 | koen | wanna write a patch for that? |
| 09:15.52 | tommie | hm |
| 09:16.02 | tommie | I'm not really into C, sadly |
| 09:18.04 | florian_kc | same for me, but C rocks... |
| 09:18.47 | tommie | But I'd like to introduce a few scripts that restore bluetooth configuration after resume |
| 09:18.57 | tommie | At least I'm familiar with Shell :-) |
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| 09:28.37 | florian_kc | tommie: hmm yes... that would rock. |
| 09:28.52 | tommie | Stay tuned :-) |
| 09:29.08 | tommie | Can't be too hard |
| 09:29.18 | tommie | I wonder how gpsd reacts to that |
| 09:29.37 | tommie | gpsd should be patched to reopen the device on SIGHUP |
| 09:29.42 | tommie | that wold be cool |
| 09:30.11 | tommie | so the clients behind the daemon won't be stuck if the file changes thourgh suspend/resume |
| 09:30.38 | hrw|work | tommie: remember about few things - some cards does not need hciattach, some cards are dead after resume and need eject/insert |
| 09:30.52 | tommie | hm |
| 09:31.09 | tommie | I'll try to make it as flexible as possible |
| 09:31.15 | florian_kc | hmm yes... if it doesn't do this i guess it would be easy to add and iirc it is actively developed again. |
| 09:31.28 | tommie | nice |
| 09:31.29 | hrw|work | all nokia based cf cards (dtl1_cs driver) does not survive suspend/resume |
| 09:31.33 | tommie | hm |
| 09:31.59 | tommie | hrw|work: OK, but on the other hand, it won't get worse for them :-) |
| 09:32.51 | tommie | So on suspend, I'll save the status of the bluetooth device, and save all established connections (GPS unit) as well as bindings to rfcomm |
| 09:32.54 | tommie | and restore them on resume |
| 09:32.56 | tommie | hm |
| 09:33.13 | tommie | It's more or less similar to the patch I made to the network scripts |
| 09:33.24 | hrw|work | some gui for configuring bt would be nice |
| 09:33.28 | tommie | hm |
| 09:33.51 | tommie | that sounds liek C again, I'm out :-) |
| 09:33.53 | tommie | like |
| 09:34.16 | tommie | Hm, I guess I'll make some geocache script next |
| 09:34.51 | tommie | retrieve waypoints from your notebooks gpsdrive database, store them on iPAQ in way.txt format, and download the asociated geocache information as wel |
| 09:35.47 | hrw|work | I will test network apps under gpe soon |
| 09:36.20 | hrw|work | gpe-irc (reported some bugs for opie-irc already), terminal etc |
| 09:36.39 | florian_kc | uh.. gpe-irc is very buggy |
| 09:37.08 | florian_kc | tommie: i might add this to gpe-conf in future |
| 09:37.13 | hrw|work | florian_kc: is it atleast usable on !qvga script? |
| 09:37.19 | hrw|work | s/script/screen |
| 09:38.41 | koen | florian_kc: I'll see if I can get the hx4700 running with gpe tonight |
| 09:39.14 | koen | that way I can test a device with a vga screen that isn't dog slow |
| 09:40.09 | hrw|work | koen: pxa250 is so fscking slow? |
| 09:40.17 | koen | yes |
| 09:40.20 | koen | no cache |
| 09:40.27 | koen | and only 32MB of ram |
| 09:41.02 | hrw|work | last time when I started gpe I had <32M free ram.. |
| 09:41.36 | koen | it uses +/- 28 MB, but minimo and gpsdrive suck RAM |
| 09:41.39 | florian_kc | hrw|work: yes... it is designed for 240x320, but it is known to be unstable |
| 09:41.54 | florian_kc | koen: cool |
| 10:06.49 | __law__ | rob_w-cgi, can you send me your "xserver include dir" Makefile? |
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| 10:08.59 | Cwiiis[away] | Morning all |
| 10:09.01 | Cwiiis[away] | This is odd... I'm on twice? |
| 10:09.09 | Cwiiis | How'd this happen :p |
| 10:09.15 | hrw|work | hi Cwiiis |
| 10:10.52 | koen | hey Cwiiis |
| 10:11.14 | rob_w-cgi | _law_: no as i dont have it |
| 10:12.27 | __law__ | has anyone compiles xserver-xorg-6.8.99.5 ? |
| 10:12.56 | Cwiiis | Hi guys - I was asking last night if anyone had any ideas for good projects related in some way to linux and mobile platforms - You guys have any ideas? At the moment, it's looking like perhaps a client that reacts to locational data to provide information (e.g., you enter a uni building and get room plans, if you have a lecture on your calendar, directions perhaps, that sort of thing) |
| 10:14.07 | koen | Cwiiis: location based services |
| 10:14.08 | florian_kc | Cwiiis: that's a good idea.. but the source of this information is a problem. |
| 10:14.52 | koen | I have a database for that and code which I can't share :/ |
| 10:15.00 | Cwiiis | florian_kc: mm - I'd have to work on some standard way of representing this sort of data.. |
| 10:15.14 | Cwiiis | koen: That's a shame :/ Still, cool :) |
| 10:15.30 | koen | there is a good opensource framework for it |
| 10:15.33 | Cwiiis | This would be for my 3rd year university project btw |
| 10:16.35 | Donwulff | We did that with Java based XML browser & XML markup language on iPAQ few years back, also I think some other universities did extensive testing on that though... |
| 10:16.56 | Donwulff | But there's doubtlessly some areas of location-based messaging that haven't been tried out extensively. |
| 10:17.06 | florian_kc | oh dear.. that sounds dead slow ;-) |
| 10:17.27 | koen | it's actually pretty fast |
| 10:17.46 | koen | the amps are in tinysvg format |
| 10:17.50 | koen | maps* |
| 10:17.56 | Donwulff | (I assume that was referring to Java XML browser though, and it's kinda true...) |
| 10:18.22 | koen | our browser was native *cough* wince *cough* |
| 10:18.55 | koen | the servers were running the java reference implementation of the OGC |
| 10:18.58 | koen | hey mickeyl |
| 10:19.03 | mickeyl | good morning |
| 10:19.07 | florian_kc | hi mickeyl |
| 10:19.26 | lardman|busy | I think a useful zeroconf app would be good - cool idea, but not sure quite how useful it would be in real life |
| 10:19.28 | Donwulff | It ran with Transvirtual's PocketPC Kaffe, but for management demos we had to use SavaJe, which was manageably fast actually. However, then SavaJe folded... and so did Transvirual.. |
| 10:19.52 | koen | http://www.opengeospatial.org/ <- the ogc |
| 10:20.32 | Cwiiis | that's interesting |
| 10:20.48 | Donwulff | ogc sounds handy though, we needed to have our own ad-hoc format at the time... |
| 10:20.49 | koen | lardman|busy: have you seen svn co svn://seth.intheinter.net/flexmdns/trunk flexmdns ? |
| 10:21.02 | koen | that's an improved howl without an evil license |
| 10:22.13 | Donwulff | I was going to comment somethign about RFID tags, but I'm pretty sure I saw RFID-browser on Slashdot already. |
| 10:22.14 | Cwiiis | Moving away from location based services (thanks koen :)), what other ideas do you think would be neat? |
| 10:22.47 | tommie | nice, I don't even have to restore rfcomm bindings or connections, the bluetooth stack can do that himself |
| 10:23.22 | koen | tommie: if you have bind = yes in rfcomm.conf it's all done automagically |
| 10:23.43 | tommie | yes, I've seen that :-) |
| 10:24.09 | florian_kc | koen: okay... i guess i have a working staging section for hildon-libs now |
| 10:24.10 | koen | iirc the newer gpsd's have be sigHUP'ed |
| 10:24.10 | Donwulff | Cwiiis: What sort of area/subject? |
| 10:24.44 | Cwiiis | Donwulff: Embedded linux/mobile devices/HCI |
| 10:26.14 | tommie | koen: nice |
| 10:26.24 | tommie | koen: But I'm not sure that this will help |
| 10:26.35 | lardman|busy | koen: No, I hadn't. The whole zeroconf thing seems cool, but I do wonder what to apply it to (plus to be useful it will require some significant uptake) |
| 10:26.36 | Donwulff | That's kinda wide subject... considering present buzzwords, I'm pondering some kind of a bastard child of P2P emergent networks/distributed computing, but those get easily too complicated. |
| 10:26.46 | tommie | koen: If you start gpsd, and BT is powered down, opening the device will fail and cause gpsd to exit |
| 10:27.10 | tommie | I don't know if there is a way to let gpsd just sit and wait |
| 10:27.28 | tommie | and retry in SIGHUP |
| 10:28.57 | tommie | hm, I'm trying it now |
| 10:29.23 | tommie | Seems like gpsd is constantly retrying |
| 10:29.30 | tommie | | select(1024, [3], NULL, NULL, {1, 0}) = 0 (Timeout) |
| 10:29.35 | tommie | [...] |
| 10:29.51 | tommie | turning on GPS now |
| 10:30.08 | tommie | hm |
| 10:30.12 | tommie | It's not getting it |
| 10:30.18 | Donwulff | ...at least as long as it doesn't have to be practical :) The idea of being able to distribute small computing-tasks to nearby mobile devices always fascinated me. |
| 10:31.31 | tommie | argh, kill me now |
| 10:32.00 | tommie | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:32.27 | rob_w-cgi | why the heck cant i set widget property`s of a 2nd window widget out of my main loop |
| 10:34.29 | Cwiiis | Donwulff: The thought of that had crossed my mind actually... Adhoc processing services kinda thing... |
| 10:34.47 | Donwulff | Kind of like nanobots, except that they don't turn into grey goo... or actually, you could make a grey goo simulation as a demo, heh. Distributed storage in similiar manner is something I've even dabbled in. That's quite complex though. |
| 10:34.59 | Donwulff | Or rather than storage, in this context I'd call it "distributed caching". |
| 10:35.17 | Cwiiis | Perhaps I need to narrow down my field a bit :) |
| 10:35.23 | Donwulff | Heh, yeah. |
| 10:36.09 | Cwiiis | The basic want is to work with mobile platforms - On top of that, it'd be nice to be able to work with gpe/linux somhow, but that's obviously not a requirement... |
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| 10:36.37 | Cwiiis | I guess the most interesting things to do on mobile platforms are to do with networking |
| 10:37.01 | Donwulff | Basically for storage in essence the concept could be using Bluetooth or ad-hoc wlan to query neighboring devices for content before transmitting it over slower/expensive link. |
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| 10:41.02 | Donwulff | Distributed computing seems promising, but I'm having trouble of thinking actual beneficial use-case. |
| 10:41.14 | pb_ | morning |
| 10:41.22 | Cwiiis | Morning pb_ |
| 10:41.22 | koen | hey pb_ |
| 10:41.50 | Cwiiis | Donwulff: Seems location based services would be quite useful |
| 10:41.54 | Donwulff | For demo-purposes you could come up with anything though, like game of life with the game-grid "extending" to neighboring devices etc. |
| 10:42.39 | Donwulff | Yeah, location based messaging is one of the bigger interests in the area, but that's also why a lot has already been done. Don't know if you need to come up with something completely new though. |
| 10:43.41 | Cwiiis | I need to do some research and see if there are any free clients for Linux to notify and present location based data, based on user data |
| 10:44.13 | Cwiiis | A daemon that reacts to data, combined with something like an evolution plug-in would be neat, for example |
| 10:44.27 | Cwiiis | Getting into agents a bit now as well though |
| 10:46.05 | Donwulff | We used Java based XML browser, http://www.xsmiles.org/ as platform for location-based messages, but it's true that doing it that way is really slow and hacky. |
| 10:46.59 | Donwulff | Combining XML formats & location-based messaging with ECMAscript is a powerful concept though. |
| 10:48.32 | Donwulff | We used gps, but at the time another university was doing some extensive location-based stuff wlan for locating it. I don't think there's any open-source code for that though. |
| 10:49.38 | tommie | funny idea, use the location of known APs to simulate a GPS signal |
| 10:49.53 | tommie | would be coolhere in university, which is equiptd quite well with WLAN |
| 10:50.14 | Cwiiis | That'd be neat :) (well equipped wlan at uni here too) |
| 10:50.24 | tommie | but you would at east need two APs in range |
| 10:50.58 | koen | placelab.org |
| 10:51.06 | tommie | the signal level would (roughly) indicate the distance from the AP |
| 10:51.36 | tommie | ah, you would need more then 3 APs |
| 10:51.56 | koen | tommie: 1 AP with known coords |
| 10:52.12 | tommie | koen: But then you ony that you are within a vertain radius around that thing |
| 10:52.15 | koen | that will give you +/- 40m |
| 10:52.16 | tommie | certain |
| 10:52.24 | Donwulff | Here's some ramblings on it: http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:qK1LGX45cnUJ:netlab.boun.edu.tr/PERA/ppt/WLANTracker.ppt+location+based+messaging+wlan&hl=fi |
| 10:52.39 | Cwiiis | koen: Wow, that's neat :) |
| 10:52.50 | koen | Cwiiis: and it's going to be on ipaqs soon :) |
| 10:53.16 | koen | Cwiiis: that's what I do for work on the uni :) |
| 10:54.02 | tommie | Sounds cool |
| 10:54.14 | tommie | but to fully use it, gpsd should be extended to allow multiple data sources |
| 10:54.15 | koen | it's jave |
| 10:54.26 | koen | and java on arm/linux isn't fun |
| 10:54.30 | tommie | and either calculte the average, or use one as a fallback |
| 10:54.36 | koen | especially when dealing with sun's code |
| 10:54.58 | Cwiiis | koen: You work on placelab for uni? |
| 10:55.13 | koen | Cwiiis: OE'ing placelab |
| 10:55.29 | Cwiiis | Cool :) |
| 10:55.45 | koen | tedious is a better description |
| 10:55.53 | Cwiiis | Well, cool result :) hehe |
| 10:55.55 | koen | java needs a whole lot of native stuff |
| 10:56.08 | koen | which needs to be crosscompiled... |
| 10:56.11 | koen | goooooo java! |
| 10:58.01 | Donwulff | Does GCJ work at all yet? |
| 10:58.26 | Donwulff | (Or was it GJC) |
| 10:58.32 | Cwiiis | It's gcj |
| 10:59.00 | Cwiiis | Redhat are using it in OpenOffice, so I'm guessing it works :) |
| 10:59.03 | tommie | http://gpsd.berlios.de/gpsd.html |
| 10:59.10 | tommie | looks like that is already implemented |
| 10:59.10 | tommie | nice |
| 10:59.41 | Donwulff | With the number of mobile (mostly phone-class) devices using Java it has some promise though, but I suppose the current breed isn't going to be running geolocation or XML browsers anytime soon. |
| 10:59.58 | tommie | So you easily inject GPS information from a script that looks at radio (BT, WLAN) beacons into gpsd |
| 11:02.37 | koen | tommie: we have some classes for placelab to inject rfid, ultrasonic and manual clues in to placelab |
| 11:02.41 | koen | pretty neat |
| 11:02.48 | tommie | nice |
| 11:03.03 | lardman|busy | How time consuming is it to produce the signal strength maps? |
| 11:03.04 | koen | if only they didn't use opie.... |
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| 11:03.50 | koen | hey hey hey mallum |
| 11:05.15 | mallum | hey koen |
| 11:10.05 | florian_kc | hi mallum |
| 11:10.14 | mallum | hey florian_kc |
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| 11:36.10 | koen | hey reenoo & jsmanrique_ |
| 11:36.51 | jsmanrique_ | hi koen |
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| 11:42.01 | jsmanrique | how goes everything |
| 11:42.53 | reenoo | afternoon |
| 11:42.57 | reenoo | hey koen |
| 11:43.03 | lardman|busy | hi reenoo, can you remember about when you added giac - I want to set a CVSDATE for mpfr so giac'll build (then I'll get around to adding 2.0.1 in the fullness of time) |
| 11:43.49 | reenoo | I'm afraid no. check the bk logs I guess |
| 11:43.50 | jsmanrique | giac? |
| 11:43.57 | jsmanrique | who is working in giac? |
| 11:44.01 | jsmanrique | reenoo: you? |
| 11:44.21 | lardman|busy | reenoo: okay |
| 11:44.25 | jsmanrique | do we already have a gtk gui for it? |
| 11:44.35 | jsmanrique | lardman|busy: who is working in giac? |
| 11:44.39 | lardman|busy | should be xcas which I think comes with it |
| 11:44.41 | reenoo | I added it to OE a while back. haven't actually got around to installing/using it |
| 11:44.54 | jsmanrique | I see |
| 11:45.01 | jsmanrique | reenoo: nice! |
| 11:45.03 | lardman|busy | it's not gtk iirc, just plain x |
| 11:45.12 | reenoo | fltk |
| 11:45.17 | jsmanrique | reenoo: sure Prof. Parisse will like the news |
| 11:45.42 | lardman|busy | ask him to update the latest source so that it uses the latest version of mpfr ;) |
| 11:46.09 | jsmanrique | I'll tell him |
| 11:46.59 | lardman|busy | you work with him? |
| 11:49.21 | florian_kc | pb_: koen just told me you might be a pkgconfig.bbclass guru, right? |
| 11:49.47 | pb_ | florian_kc: heh. I guess. |
| 11:50.05 | pb_ | I've probably done as much work with that class as anyone, though I wouldn't necessarily call myself a guru. |
| 11:50.20 | ade|desk | pb_: how modest |
| 11:50.33 | pb_ | actually, that reminds me, it's still installing those stupid -uninstalled.pc files. I should fix that one day. |
| 11:50.49 | pb_ | I keep having to delete them by hand to make my builds work. |
| 11:54.01 | florian_kc | pb_: Can you imagine a reason for it to fail installing a .pc file? I have one package which looks trivial, but its pc doesn't end up in staging. |
| 11:56.40 | florian_kc | pb_: The pc file is in ${S} itself and should be generated by configure... |
| 12:46.44 | luis | hm.. |
| 12:47.40 | koen | luis: please apply |
| 12:48.07 | luis | I guess I should investigate if there's interest for that though |
| 12:48.15 | luis | pb_: do you know anything about this? |
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| 12:56.34 | florian_kc | pb_: If i copy the do_stage_append() stuff from the pkgconfig.bbclass to my bb it works |
| 13:05.34 | hrw|work | florian_kc: you did "inherit pkgconfig"? |
| 13:07.46 | florian_kc | hrw|work: yes sure... i tried it to move to different places in the file, retyped the complete "inherit" line, reordered it... |
| 13:08.14 | florian_kc | btw... the function defined in that class is found btw... |
| 13:12.31 | JiniDog | florian_kc, when can I expect my problem to be solved? |
| 13:13.06 | florian_kc | ah |
| 13:13.08 | florian_kc | hell |
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| 13:13.46 | florian_kc | JiniDog: can you give me that error message again? pb_ might know more about this cairo stuff anyway... |
| 13:14.18 | jsmanrique | another gtk stupid idea |
| 13:15.15 | jsmanrique | during guadec I talked with pycage on the irc channel about a little add-on for handheld devices (or any handwritten input devices).. and I would like to hear your thoughts |
| 13:15.42 | jsmanrique | we already have a nice virtual keyboard |
| 13:16.00 | jsmanrique | but some/many people ask about hand written input |
| 13:16.09 | koen | rosetta? |
| 13:16.13 | jsmanrique | and we have an area to input data that way |
| 13:16.20 | jsmanrique | koen: more or less |
| 13:17.02 | jsmanrique | we talked about, displaying the entered text in the fields, the way we wrote them |
| 13:17.32 | jsmanrique | I mean, on any field, there would be a pixmap and internally it would store the recognized text |
| 13:17.59 | jsmanrique | the text would be somekind of metada of the pixmap, i.e. |
| 13:19.02 | jsmanrique | when you write in the recognizer area, you should be seeing what is being recognized |
| 13:19.12 | jsmanrique | in a line above it, i.e. |
| 13:19.37 | florian_kc | brb, food |
| 13:19.37 | jsmanrique | and just add some del/background and enter buttons |
| 13:19.54 | JiniDog | florian_kc, I have to run the compile again. Moment please |
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| 13:20.35 | jsmanrique | this way you could send a handwritten email, and the receiver would read your handwritten text, while internally it has the text data stored |
| 13:21.01 | jsmanrique | or for example, you could see your written events in the calendar.. not tipying them with the keyboard |
| 13:21.28 | jsmanrique | thoughts? |
| 13:22.30 | koen | sounds usefull |
| 13:22.47 | koen | pocketpc supports bits of that |
| 13:23.16 | koen | you can have bitmap OR text there |
| 13:23.30 | koen | I would like that to to be AND |
| 13:24.51 | jsmanrique | koen: sound like the ink technology that microsoft uses.. I think that basiclly it is a pixmap that stores internally the recognized data.. how? perhaps using image metadata |
| 13:26.08 | pH5 | I would really like the handwritten text to be stored as strokes (svg?) and have modular recognition backends for latin text, kanji/kana, etc. |
| 13:28.43 | koen | pH5: you can have modular backends with matchbox-stroke |
| 13:29.15 | jsmanrique | pH5: using svg and cairo, I think that strokes could be scaled to fit in small fields, once they have been written in the recognizer area |
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| 13:31.48 | pH5 | cool |
| 13:33.08 | JiniDog | florian_kc, here: |
| 13:33.09 | JiniDog | gpeclockface.c: In function `gpe_clock_face_expose': |
| 13:33.09 | JiniDog | gpeclockface.c:265: warning: implicit declaration of function `cairo_set_rgb_color_REPLACED_BY_cairo_set_source_rgb' |
| 13:33.09 | JiniDog | gpeclockface.c: In function `gpe_clock_face_prepare_xrender': |
| 13:33.09 | JiniDog | gpeclockface.c:491: error: too few arguments to function `cairo_create' |
| 13:33.11 | JiniDog | gpeclockface.c:495: warning: implicit declaration of function `cairo_set_target_surface_DEPRECATED_BY_cairo_create' |
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| 13:42.32 | pb_ | luis: sure, that sounds like a great project. |
| 13:43.08 | pb_ | if you want, you can send a draft of your application to the summer-administrators list, and we will help you to refine it before you send it in to Google. |
| 13:43.27 | pb_ | JiniDog: your application needs to be updated to work with the new cairo API. |
| 13:43.38 | jsmanrique | pb_: which project? |
| 13:43.48 | JiniDog | that is libgpewidget |
| 13:43.53 | pb_ | oh, right, that's libgpewidget. |
| 13:43.54 | hrw|work | luis: if you can upgrade gpe-pim to sqlite3 also that it will be one step ahead to unify opie & gpe pim databases (which was listed on hh.org SoC list) |
| 13:44.24 | JiniDog | it does not work with cairo 0.4 and it does not compile with cairo 0.5 |
| 13:44.31 | JiniDog | With which version does it work? |
| 13:45.25 | koen | luis: or write a pim abstraction api with pluggable backends |
| 13:45.43 | pb_ | jsmanrique: * luis wonders (again) if he should apply for SoC to improve gpe-today(rewrite) and improve the other PIM stuff.. |
| 13:45.45 | pb_ | that one |
| 13:45.57 | pb_ | JiniDog: what version of libgpewidget do you have? |
| 13:46.02 | JiniDog | 0.100 |
| 13:46.03 | jsmanrique | nice one, really |
| 13:46.32 | pb_ | I guess that version should work with Cairo 0.4. |
| 13:46.45 | JiniDog | that gives me unresolved symbols |
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| 13:47.05 | JiniDog | /usr/lib/gcc/armv5tel-pc-linux-uclibc/3.4.3/../../../libgpewidget.so: undefined reference to `cairo_set_target_surface' |
| 13:47.05 | JiniDog | /usr/lib/gcc/armv5tel-pc-linux-uclibc/3.4.3/../../../libgpewidget.so: undefined reference to `cairo_set_rgb_color' |
| 14:21.56 | luis | hrw|work: I see. |
| 14:27.03 | pb_ | JiniDog: that sounds like your runtime library doesn't match the one you are compiling against. |
| 14:27.23 | pb_ | i.e. you are building against cairo 0.4, but trying to run with cairo 0.5, or something of that nature. |
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| 17:42.23 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 18:00.10 | __law__ | the xserver wont compile i have made ah Makefile edit the .bb file ....... :-( |
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| 18:07.26 | bedboi | anyone good with tc? |
| 18:07.45 | koen | tc? |
| 18:08.16 | bedboi | traffic control |
| 18:08.20 | bedboi | man tc |
| 18:08.21 | bedboi | :) |
| 18:09.04 | koen | texture compression was my first guess :) |
| 18:09.26 | bedboi | when i try to set a rate setting on a net device it gives me "RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument" |
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| 18:17.22 | Vjaz | Hi. Is there any information availale on making GPE sync with my desktop software? |
| 18:20.06 | koen | Vjaz: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GpeSync |
| 18:20.13 | Vjaz | thanks |
| 18:20.47 | Vjaz | Is it in a usable state at the moment or is it mostly just for testing now? |
| 18:21.21 | koen | it is supposed to be useable |
| 18:23.05 | Vjaz | what's the difference between MultiSync and OpenSync? |
| 18:23.17 | koen | opensync is a branch of multisync |
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| 18:24.09 | Vjaz | Ah, do you mean a fork or are they a part of the same project? |
| 18:24.38 | koen | opensync is suppossed to replace multisync when it's stable |
| 18:25.13 | koen | so it's somewhere in between |
| 18:26.01 | Vjaz | Ah, ok. Sounds good. |
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| 18:36.22 | Philippe | evening all |
| 18:36.27 | florian | re |
| 18:36.37 | florian | hi Philippe |
| 18:36.45 | Philippe | hey florian |
| 18:37.02 | koen | hey Philippe & florian |
| 18:37.31 | Philippe | continuing the hello-ing : hello koen :-) |
| 18:45.03 | koen | and after I have the .config, I can build a gpe image and flash that |
| 18:45.52 | koen | does anybody have a blog here? |
| 18:46.01 | koen | jamey is going to setup planet.handhelds.org |
| 18:49.48 | florian | hmm not yet... but i think about starting one. |
| 18:50.25 | koen | please tell it isn't a r10k |
| 18:51.59 | Philippe | http://www.cmmacs.ernet.in/cmmacs/Computing/sgi_o2.html |
| 18:52.20 | Philippe | Jeez it is back of a bus ugly.... |
| 18:54.29 | koen | and some sparcs |
| 18:54.38 | koen | which all need to get on ebay soon |
| 18:55.17 | florian | Philippe: yess... but not with a r10k |
| 18:56.04 | Philippe | florian, making koen jealous now ? |
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| 18:57.28 | Philippe | aaah gal does not compile if you use dbus it seems |
| 18:57.31 | Philippe | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.48 | koen | what dbus version do you have? |
| 18:57.59 | koen | the switched api you know |
| 18:58.11 | Philippe | dbus-0.23.4-r0 |
| 18:58.12 | koen | (probably been talking to the cairo people) |
| 18:58.51 | koen | isn't dbus-glib built by dbus? |
| 19:00.00 | Philippe | I believe so... so I actually guess it is a dbus error that has gone unnoticed.... |
| 19:01.06 | Philippe | What is the good openembbed repository again? |
| 19:01.22 | koen | oe-devel.bkbits.net/openembedded |
| 19:01.30 | Philippe | Ah that's it! |
| 19:05.02 | florian | Philippe: yes... i seem to do this sometimes |
| 19:06.26 | florian | I'd like to play with a Crimson, but my (almost) wife would kill me... |
| 19:07.08 | Philippe | florian, what's a crimson? |
| 19:07.47 | koen | http://sam.vis.nu/pictures/crimson/ |
| 19:08.54 | koen | it's a red sgi IRIS |
| 19:10.29 | Philippe | looks nice... and now i get the name... |
| 19:12.09 | koen | a friend of mine has an onyx |
| 19:12.23 | koen | in winter he uses it as a space heater |
| 19:12.25 | koen | http://www.opencae.cz/hw/images/sgi_ws-onyx2.jpg |
| 19:12.34 | florian | Some time ago i nearly bought an origin 2000... |
| 19:12.42 | florian | oh cool |
| 19:13.06 | florian | But someone was faster :-( |
| 19:13.23 | florian | It was the blue cube, 8 CPU.... |
| 19:14.42 | Philippe | How do I add apps to gpe-image? (I would like to build a demo image with help) |
| 19:15.02 | koen | see meta/gpe-image.bb |
| 19:15.16 | Philippe | ok. I was looking in the conf stuff... |
| 19:15.17 | Philippe | koen, thanks |
| 19:15.34 | florian | uh right... |
| 19:15.59 | florian | need to test the help patch |
| 19:16.02 | koen | Philippe: see how meta/*sectest* handles it |
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| 19:17.04 | koen | florian: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/blog/pyblosxom.cgi/2005/06/09#hx4700 last sentence :) |
| 19:18.27 | Philippe | well florian if my help-image gets compiled okay it will be less hard to check :-) |
| 19:19.07 | florian | Philippe: heh indeed |
| 19:19.32 | florian | koen: *g* |
| 19:19.47 | Philippe | I just hope that gal problems goes away. (it works fine if dbus is not the preferred provider) |
| 19:20.06 | florian | koen: we still need the theme, theme-config and the images... and all the stuff i forgot. |
| 19:23.29 | Philippe | florian, will GPE be at Linuxtag? |
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| 19:29.05 | koen | hey pb_ |
| 19:30.00 | pb_ | hi koen |
| 19:30.29 | ade|desk | evening all |
| 19:30.33 | koen | hey ade|desk |
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| 19:44.07 | reenoo | evening |
| 19:44.18 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 19:44.30 | koen | reenoo: jamey is installing planetplanet as we speak |
| 19:45.33 | reenoo | yo koen |
| 19:45.43 | reenoo | excellent! |
| 19:46.11 | pb_ | hi reenoo |
| 19:46.23 | reenoo | hey pb_ |
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| 20:09.02 | Pigi | Ciao all |
| 20:09.18 | koen | hey Pigi |
| 20:09.25 | Pigi | hey koen heh |
| 20:10.08 | Pigi | I di dmanaged to have a good gpe-image, but the problem with the xterminal is stiil there ( if someone is interessed ) |
| 20:10.27 | Pigi | if I use the root-shell ( or whatever is the name ) it works well |
| 20:10.39 | pb_ | remind me what the problem is? |
| 20:11.09 | Pigi | when I start a "normal" xterminal I can't close it unless I kill it |
| 20:11.52 | Pigi | no "exit" neither the click on the "x" to close the wondows will close ( obviously, after the exit command I can't use it nomore |
| 20:12.10 | Pigi | but to close the window I NEED to kill the xterm pid |
| 20:15.19 | pb_ | ah, that's rather odd |
| 20:15.23 | pb_ | what version of rxvt-unicode do you have? |
| 20:15.45 | Pigi | indeed |
| 20:16.05 | Pigi | the one from oe with DISTRO= familiar-0.9.0 |
| 20:16.09 | Pigi | lemme see |
| 20:16.27 | Pigi | rxvt-unicode-5.3-r2/ |
| 20:17.26 | pb_ | okay, I'll have a play with it and see if I can find out what's up |
| 20:17.50 | Pigi | not so important as I suspect that everyone use the root-shell |
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| 20:21.32 | koen | heh |
| 20:21.41 | koen | Pigi: we are not opie users ;) |
| 20:22.27 | Pigi | heh |
| 20:23.02 | florian | re |
| 20:23.08 | koen | florian: wb |
| 20:23.24 | florian | Philippe: yes... we will have some place at the portings booth |
| 20:23.50 | Pigi | well, then "you" are interessed in knowing that the mixer (when calling from applet ) doesn't have a button to close :) |
| 20:24.28 | koen | Pigi: we know, it's 'bug' in the matchbox themes |
| 20:24.31 | florian | that's bug in the theme... imho it is fixed in matchbox cvs |
| 20:24.36 | koen | should be fixed with a newer mb |
| 20:24.37 | florian | s/cvs/svn |
| 20:24.48 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 20:25.08 | Pigi | hi florian |
| 20:25.52 | koen | florian: shoot me a mail with the maemo stuff you want me to add |
| 20:26.01 | Philippe | oh crap, the kernel does not build anymore... |
| 20:26.05 | florian | koen: okay... |
| 20:27.16 | Philippe | /home/fille/oe/build/tmp/work/handhelds-sa-2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37.4-r5/temp/run.do_patchcleancmd.19496: line 453: syntax error near unexpected token `'INHIBIT_PACKAGE_STRIP',' |
| 20:27.31 | Philippe | Anybody a clue how to solve this. Or should i ask #oe? |
| 20:28.16 | pb_ | check your DISTRO |
| 20:31.04 | Philippe | thanks pb_ . I made a typo there indeed. |
| 20:31.08 | Philippe | ~hail pb_ |
| 20:31.09 | ibot | ACTION bows down to pb_ and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
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| 21:51.45 | Pigi | time to sleep |
| 21:51.48 | Pigi | nite all |
| 21:52.16 | koen | 'night all |
| 21:54.35 | Philippe | night koen |
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| 23:26.36 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 23:26.48 | florian | reenoo: night |
| 23:27.02 | pigeon | nite reenoo |
| 23:36.27 | florian | good night |
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