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| 00:05.34 | insearchof | has anyone sucessfully got the HP Slim keyboard to work under GPE 0.8.2 with kbdd on a h5550? |
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| 06:03.24 | jsmanrique | hi, good morning |
| 06:03.38 | jsmanrique | I have re-lived my h5450 (the one with GPE) |
| 06:03.50 | jsmanrique | exams time have passed |
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| 07:00.09 | rob_w-cgi | hi all |
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| 07:49.51 | __law__ | rob_w-cgi, how? |
| 07:54.07 | __law__ | rob_w-cgi, edit sources? |
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| 08:02.02 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 08:06.38 | hrw|work | hi |
| 08:07.32 | __law__ | there is ah clean dummy target in the makefile |
| 08:08.23 | __law__ | clean: |
| 08:08.23 | __law__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:11.41 | XorA | morning |
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| 08:40.47 | koen | ~hail mallum for fixing tslib in kdrive |
| 08:40.52 | ibot | ACTION bows down to mallum for fixing tslib in kdrive and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 08:47.30 | XorA | koen: its fixed? |
| 08:51.18 | __law__ | always the same error :-( http://pastebin.com/29693 |
| 08:52.59 | koen | XorA: the fix isn't in cvs yet, but the problem has been solved |
| 08:53.21 | koen | adding KdMouseInfoAdd(); to tslib.c:168 did the trick |
| 08:54.17 | koen | XorA: if mallum can't push it upstream I'll add a patch |
| 08:55.00 | XorA | koen: wicked |
| 08:55.16 | XorA | koen: looks like Ill be able to play with a later version of X when I return then |
| 08:55.38 | koen | don't forget to build xextensions_cvs first |
| 08:56.06 | XorA | koen: you shall have to remind me in 2 weeks :-) |
| 08:57.08 | koen | will do :) |
| 09:01.30 | hrw|work | XorA: 2weeks long honeymoon? |
| 09:02.21 | ade|desk | XorA: going somewhere nice ? |
| 09:02.52 | XorA | hrw|work: yes |
| 09:03.02 | XorA | ade|desk: No idea if its nice yet, but Lindos on Rhodes |
| 09:03.29 | XorA | hrw|work: only actually away for 1 week, but I plan a rest for computers, I need it! |
| 09:05.16 | hrw|work | XorA: and deserve :) |
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| 09:06.46 | florian_hrz | hi all |
| 09:07.19 | hrw|work | hi florian |
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| 09:11.46 | lardman|work | morning all |
| 09:12.03 | mickeyl | morning lardman |
| 09:12.08 | hrw|work | hi lardman|work |
| 09:12.17 | lardman|work | hi mickeyl, hrw|work |
| 09:12.32 | ade|desk | XorA: very nice |
| 09:13.13 | ade|desk | XorA: you;ll have to tell me what married life is like ( 9 weeks to go .....and counting) |
| 09:14.31 | XorA | ade|desk: this is my second time :-D |
| 09:16.06 | rob_w-cgi | __law__: you need to add it at the Makefile in the mentioned dir zaurus/oe/tmp/work/xserver-xorg-6.8.99.5-r1/xc/include' |
| 09:18.15 | koen | hey florian_hrz & lardman|work |
| 09:20.24 | florian_hrz | XorA: oh cool - gpe-beam would be glad to get some help :-) |
| 09:20.44 | koen | Xora, florian_hrz, ade|desk |
| 09:20.48 | XorA | florian_hrz: well it doesnt work on a D500 or nokia 6822, both of which I have access to, so I can take a look |
| 09:20.54 | florian_hrz | hehe |
| 09:21.48 | florian_hrz | XorA: That's interesting... i have a nokia 9210i which works pretty nice. |
| 09:22.27 | florian_hrz | nilsf's Siemens doesn't work that perfect and iirc Psion devices are a pain. |
| 09:25.27 | hrw|work | I didnt tried it with my 6310i or palm m105 or other Z |
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| 09:34.10 | rob_w-cgi | florian_hrz : you did mean " nilsf`s BenQ ;-) |
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| 09:38.52 | __law__ | rob_w-cgi, is this enough? |
| 09:38.55 | __law__ | clean: |
| 09:38.55 | __law__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.32 | __law__ | but if i try do run bitbake gpe-image my makefile alway will be overwritten :-( |
| 09:39.38 | florian_hrz | rob_w-cgi: heh |
| 09:40.32 | rob_w-cgi | __law__: it shouldnt be overwritten if you did not do a clean up before |
| 09:42.08 | __law__ | it always creates ah Makefile.bak of my Makefile |
| 09:42.18 | __law__ | and the new onw is empty |
| 09:42.44 | rob_w-cgi | change the sources and let it unpack these sources again |
| 09:43.09 | rob_w-cgi | also i wondering why this is necessary ?? maybe do a bk pull to gain the latest state of your ie |
| 09:43.15 | rob_w-cgi | s/ie/oe |
| 09:43.28 | __law__ | i have got the latest |
| 09:48.32 | rob_w-cgi | then overtake and change the source.tar.gz and repack it and also create a new md5sum .. then do a bk -c clean on this package and recompile :-) |
| 09:51.30 | __law__ | ok i?ll try |
| 10:03.45 | florian_hrz | bbl |
| 10:13.09 | rob_w-cgi | damn i somehow created a file which now freezes my ipaq on any form of access : ls , cp , rm .. |
| 10:15.01 | rob_w-cgi | what woudl |
| 10:15.30 | rob_w-cgi | what would be a minimum requierement to be able to pivot_root to my sd card and check the root fs ? |
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| 11:25.46 | koen|lunch | hey pb_ |
| 11:40.05 | rob_w-cgi | damn pivot_does not work |
| 11:53.23 | jserv2 | Hello all, |
| 11:53.35 | jserv2 | Can I enable plugins support in Minimo? |
| 11:56.54 | rob_w-cgi | how can i handle a corrupted file on jffs .. like is it possible to unlikn the file pointer or fake a journal entry to get rid of a corrupted file ? |
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| 11:57.25 | koen|lunch | jserv2: no idea on that, sorry |
| 11:57.36 | koen|lunch | jserv2: you could mail doug turner |
| 11:57.41 | koen|lunch | hey florian_kc |
| 11:58.45 | jserv2 | koen: Doug is the mozilla guy? |
| 12:00.07 | florian_kc | re |
| 12:02.11 | koen | jserv2: the minimo guy |
| 12:05.09 | jserv2 | cool. :) |
| 12:05.18 | jserv2 | koen: thanks for the hints. |
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| 12:42.06 | rob_w-cgi | oh god i really need help on jffs |
| 12:44.46 | florian_kc | oops |
| 12:47.47 | tommie | nice, my bluetooth gps is working |
| 12:48.08 | tommie | how I just find a decent way to handle the start of gpsd, suspend/resume etc. |
| 12:48.12 | florian_kc | yeah.... that's usually pretty easy. |
| 12:49.05 | florian_kc | suspend/resume and bluetooth is a little bit more complicated, but at least for pan gpe-bluetooth is able to restart a connection. |
| 12:49.40 | rob_w-cgi | tommie : i did a hack in the suspend script where i do a kill on gpsd and if this is successfull i call it after a sleep 4 or so which is after a resume |
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| 12:50.26 | rob_w-cgi | florian_kc do you know how to trick jffs in order to get rid of a corrupted file node ? |
| 12:50.51 | tommie | tpdd: That's the easy way, but how do I get gpsdrive or other gps applications to respond to that |
| 12:51.06 | tommie | rob_w-cgi: That's the easy way, but how do I get gpsdrive or other gps applications to respond to that |
| 12:51.14 | tommie | Can I force the gpsd to re-open his serial device? |
| 12:51.35 | rob_w-cgi | gpsdrive doesnt need to as gpsd is only opening the dev when someone polls gpsd |
| 12:51.36 | florian_kc | It would be cool to make gpe-blutooth handle this automatically and restart gpsd or link /dev/modem |
| 12:51.52 | tommie | florian_kc: I don't think gpe-bluetooth is the right place |
| 12:52.11 | tommie | florian_kc: would be better to handle it via hotplug or /etc/apm/ |
| 12:52.14 | rob_w-cgi | no need in my opinion , only gpsd will need some thinngs |
| 12:52.35 | rob_w-cgi | bt in general resums fine for me ! |
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| 12:52.41 | tommie | rob_w-cgi: indeed |
| 12:52.52 | florian_kc | tommie: maybe... i must admit that i don't know if the pan reconnect is handled by gpe-bluetooth itself. |
| 12:54.11 | tommie | Hm, I'd like to see a port of xgps for familiar |
| 12:54.25 | tommie | whenever a map is not needed, and you only require coordinates (geocaching e.g.) |
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| 12:56.51 | koen | tommie: do you have an url for xgps? |
| 12:57.12 | tommie | hm |
| 12:57.27 | florian_kc | brb, food |
| 12:57.31 | rob_w-cgi | that is in the gpsd package i think |
| 12:57.40 | koen | ah |
| 12:57.51 | tommie | http://gpsd.berlios.de/xgps.html |
| 12:57.51 | koen | that xgps :) |
| 12:57.53 | tommie | rob_w-cgi: right |
| 12:58.25 | koen | tommie: echo "PAD" | nc -w 1 0 2947 |
| 12:59.00 | koen | that will give you position, altitude and time |
| 12:59.01 | tommie | ? |
| 12:59.12 | koen | from gpsd |
| 12:59.16 | tommie | ah |
| 12:59.29 | tommie | But it's not colourful :-) |
| 12:59.33 | koen | :) |
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| 13:00.11 | koen | I tried adding xgps, but it requires xform or motif |
| 13:00.15 | tommie | hm |
| 13:00.18 | tommie | motif |
| 13:00.21 | tommie | brrr |
| 13:00.37 | koen | which didn't get detected during configure |
| 13:01.03 | XorA | koen: I got lesstif built for oe |
| 13:01.30 | koen | XorA: I suspect a small staging problem |
| 13:01.36 | koen | shouldn't be too hard to fix |
| 13:01.51 | XorA | koen: the main problem I found was it required full x11 libs |
| 13:01.58 | koen | but all the opie people will throw a fit that gpsd suddenly requires X to be built, etc |
| 13:02.00 | XorA | koen: so I abandoned |
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| 13:08.48 | koen | hey jserv2 |
| 13:08.50 | XorA | koen: split the bb |
| 13:08.53 | koen | and jsmanrique :) |
| 13:09.05 | koen | XorA: I made a start with it |
| 13:09.47 | ade|desk | XorA: tusk pestky opie people |
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| 13:10.39 | XorA | sneak in opie/x11 when they not looking |
| 13:10.57 | koen | that's on my todo list already :) |
| 13:11.12 | koen | having opie/x11 would cut down on maintenance |
| 13:11.16 | koen | *a lot* |
| 13:12.06 | XorA | I spent days fixing Xqt, but I couldnt find any sensible keyboard handling for qt/e so I abandoned |
| 13:13.56 | ade|desk | bbmask opie* ... the only way to go :) |
| 13:15.42 | koen | heh, if some people on the opie-devel ml get their way opie will only have pim |
| 13:15.53 | koen | but it will be *fast* and *lean* |
| 13:16.24 | XorA | alan cox once said you can fit the whole of gnome into the same ram QT occupies |
| 13:17.15 | hrw|work | ljp... and his talks.. |
| 13:18.32 | rob_w-cgi | well what i envy opie is a (not working ) star chart app |
| 13:24.13 | rob_w-cgi | how is c# and gtk# support as there is a test app for star charts in these languages |
| 13:31.46 | rob_w-cgi | XorA so do we have motif support now ? |
| 13:31.55 | rob_w-cgi | that would entitly xephem to work ! |
| 13:32.33 | XorA | rob_w-cgi: I never checked it in |
| 13:34.04 | rob_w-cgi | but would it be reasonable to do so ? |
| 13:34.13 | XorA | rob_w-cgi: as far as I could tell it required libX11, diet-x11 was not good enough, Im not that much of an X hacker to fix that |
| 13:34.40 | XorA | rob_w-cgi: but to constuct the bb was not hard, so someone should be able to repeat it fairly quickly |
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| 13:36.06 | lardman|work | when does reenoo tend to be online? I want to ask him about giac (looks like version 2.0.1 of mpfr is required to make it compile afaict) |
| 13:36.25 | XorA | rob_w-cgi: the machine I did the work on is turned off so I cant check if I still have the bb |
| 13:36.56 | koen | lardman|work: mostly around 9 pm |
| 13:37.21 | lardman|work | koen: okay, thanks |
| 13:37.39 | koen | lardman|work: otherwise try leaving a botmail |
| 13:38.30 | lardman|work | koen: good point |
| 13:40.36 | XorA | hmm, where does gpe-beam put incoming images? |
| 13:41.45 | XorA | after a reboot gpe-beam decided to love my nokia 6822 afterall |
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| 13:44.34 | __law__ | my xserver wont compile could someone post his include/Makefile ? |
| 13:45.14 | florian_kc | re |
| 13:45.28 | __law__ | how can i start bitbake without ./configure ? only compile |
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| 13:45.59 | koen | bitbake -b file.bb -c compile |
| 13:50.05 | __law__ | my makefile will be moved to Makefile.bak :-( |
| 13:50.53 | koen | bitbake -b file.bb -c configure |
| 13:50.55 | __law__ | and a empty one will be created :-( |
| 13:51.00 | koen | place makefile |
| 13:51.05 | koen | bitbake -b file.bb -c compile |
| 13:51.10 | koen | that should do the trick |
| 13:51.32 | __law__ | koen, configure works |
| 13:52.01 | __law__ | koen, have you the makefile for the include dir? |
| 13:52.10 | __law__ | how should this look like? |
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| 14:01.02 | koen | hey jg & dc_ |
| 14:14.29 | florian_kc | pb_: Did you see this libXsettings-client package mallum mentioned yesterday? |
| 14:15.11 | koen | http://projects.o-hand.com/matchbox/sources/optional-dependencies/Xsettings-client-0.10.tar.gz |
| 14:15.14 | koen | that one? |
| 14:18.13 | florian_kc | koen: yes... |
| 14:18.22 | florian_kc | koen: your cache seems to be good ;-) |
| 14:18.54 | dc_ | hey |
| 14:19.07 | florian_kc | hi dc_ |
| 14:19.20 | rob_w-cgi | does no one of you know how to tweak the jffs2 ? i am getting crashes and i refuse to fresh install ( if i dont see the option to recover the full installation ) |
| 14:20.54 | florian_kc | rob_w-cgi: not really... on which device does this happen? |
| 14:21.36 | rob_w-cgi | ipaq 3970 .. i did tar up some bigger files and something happened , . so now when i do a ls or stat to that dir it freezes |
| 14:24.02 | rob_w-cgi | or you tell me a way to get the same installation quick and easy ! |
| 14:25.34 | florian_kc | oops... that sounds nasty... i hae never seen this before with jffs2 |
| 14:32.57 | rob_w-cgi | yep it definitly is since it took me quite long to install all that stuff in order to be able to build nativly on the ipaq |
| 14:33.15 | rob_w-cgi | this works now like a charm so i dont wanna loose it in a way |
| 14:34.19 | rob_w-cgi | my only guess is that i need to fake the journal that this file is not there anymore but i ve no clue how to do that ? |
| 14:34.28 | rob_w-cgi | OOHH wait |
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| 14:35.08 | rob_w-cgi | fixed .. a direkt call to rm the file with a absolute path did the job ! huurray ... thank you Florian :-) |
| 14:36.34 | rob_w-cgi | phhuuu |
| 14:36.55 | rob_w-cgi | ok how would someone get a total backup of the jffs filesystem .. dd ? |
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| 14:39.26 | florian_kc | rob_w-cgi: yw ;-) |
| 14:40.58 | florian_kc | rob_w-cgi: hmm yes, i think that should be ok. |
| 14:49.16 | pb_ | florian_kc: I didn't see that. |
| 14:49.21 | pb_ | dc_: g'day |
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| 14:54.51 | JiniDog | hi guys |
| 14:55.12 | JiniDog | I'm currently trying to get libgpewidget running on an uclibc environmet without nls |
| 14:56.03 | JiniDog | libgpewidget is trying to include libintl.h although configure recognized that it is missing |
| 14:56.14 | JiniDog | So I replaced all includes with #define dgettext(Domain,String) (String) |
| 14:56.20 | florian_kc | pb_: It is a libxsettings-client package with autotools support. the difference to the libraries like we build them so far is that it combines libxsettings and libxsettings-client to a single library. |
| 14:56.24 | JiniDog | I see whether that works |
| 14:56.36 | rob_w-cgi | what is parameter of gtk widgets to be grayed out ? |
| 14:56.43 | pb_ | florian_kc: ah, very good |
| 14:57.00 | pb_ | rob_w-cgi: "insensitive" |
| 14:57.17 | florian_kc | pb_: i wondered if we maybe want to make a single library from this before... |
| 14:57.40 | rob_w-cgi | like gtk_entry_set_insensitive(entry1, TRUE) |
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| 14:58.04 | florian_kc | JiniDog: oh right... that sounds like a bug, i guess we didn't try this before. |
| 14:58.19 | rob_w-cgi | or it may be a general widget thing ... anyway thnx i ll try them |
| 14:58.57 | florian_kc | rob_w-cgi: gtk_widget_set_sensitiv() |
| 14:59.18 | JiniDog | florian_kc, could you do this little change in one of the next releases? I'm making ebuilds for gpe and it would be good if I don't have to take are of that |
| 14:59.21 | rob_w-cgi | and then boolean ? |
| 15:00.15 | florian_kc | rob_w-cgi: yep |
| 15:00.32 | florian_kc | rob_w-cgi: +e |
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| 15:01.22 | rob_w-cgi | what do you mean .. like gtk_widget_set_sensitiv(entry1, FALSE ) ; |
| 15:02.30 | florian_kc | rob_w-cgi: yes, but add an extra "e" at the correct place. |
| 15:02.47 | rob_w-cgi | sensitive |
| 15:02.54 | florian_kc | yeah |
| 15:02.58 | rob_w-cgi | cool |
| 15:06.52 | rob_w-cgi | ok i am at home soon .. |
| 15:06.56 | rob_w-cgi | bye |
| 15:07.07 | pb_ | florian_kc: yeah, that might make sense. |
| 15:07.19 | pb_ | I can't think of any good reason for having it split. |
| 15:08.02 | florian_kc | rob_w-cgi: later |
| 15:09.00 | florian_kc | pb_: okay.. then i'll check in the thing mallum created and use latest source from our cvs. |
| 15:09.11 | rob_w-cgi | cu |
| 15:15.26 | pb_ | florian_kc: rock. |
| 15:17.55 | JiniDog | setlocale (LC_MESSAGES, prop); is evil on uclibc, too |
| 15:18.28 | JiniDog | I commented it in translabel.c, it compiles fine then |
| 15:19.18 | florian_kc | Uh... my maemo patch breaks gpe-contacts... i guess i'll have to do some fixes this evening. |
| 15:19.57 | florian_kc | JiniDog: I'll make all the i8n stuff depend on ENABLE_NLS in libgpewidget. |
| 15:21.34 | JiniDog | Will there be a check for nls or do you have to do disable it manually by putting in 0? |
| 15:23.06 | florian_kc | JiniDog: configure should check and set it... |
| 15:23.57 | JiniDog | okay, I can test that when you have done it |
| 15:24.47 | JiniDog | so, libgpewidget has build with the changes I told you above |
| 15:25.06 | JiniDog | Now I have to see whether I can build things linked with it |
| 15:25.31 | florian_kc | yeah... i guess we have to fix this in most applications :-( |
| 15:26.04 | JiniDog | I first try to build XFCE-stuff with libgpewidget |
| 15:26.33 | florian_kc | _XFCE_-stuff with libgpewidget?! |
| 15:27.28 | JiniDog | not possible? I read that libgpewidget overwrites some gtk+ behaviour, like the width of windows and so on |
| 15:27.37 | JiniDog | I want to make use of that in xfce |
| 15:27.58 | JiniDog | I mean, xfce4 runs for me, but it is slow and the windows are too big |
| 15:28.14 | florian_kc | hmm yes... but i don't think someone tried it before. |
| 15:28.41 | florian_kc | That sizing stuff might be handled by the theme... |
| 15:28.58 | JiniDog | I always wanted to got where no one has gone before :) |
| 15:29.11 | florian_kc | heh |
| 15:35.48 | florian_kc | koen|supper: do we have a working familiar feed with gnom-vfs-dbus? |
| 15:36.02 | pb_ | I'm not sure that libgpewidget does much (or even any) of that overriding stuff any more. |
| 15:36.43 | JiniDog | hmm |
| 15:37.05 | JiniDog | can anyone think where this error comes from? |
| 15:37.09 | JiniDog | libgpewidget.so: undefined reference to `cairo_set_source_rgba' |
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| 15:37.21 | JiniDog | I have cairo installed |
| 15:38.59 | _law_ | has no one ah xserver (from include die) Makefile for me? |
| 15:41.30 | florian_kc | JiniDog: yes... looks like that cairo is too old. they recently changed their api :-/ |
| 15:42.05 | florian_kc | JiniDog: it might be an option to build libgpewidget without cairo. |
| 15:42.09 | JiniDog | thought I had the latest cairo |
| 15:42.22 | JiniDog | I have 0.4.0 |
| 15:43.02 | koen | 0.5.0 is the latest |
| 15:43.21 | JiniDog | I see |
| 15:43.24 | koen | florian_kc: only gnome-vfs-normal |
| 15:45.27 | florian_kc | koen: oh dear... okay |
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| 15:52.48 | florian_kc | JiniDog: I checked in a patch... tell me if it doesn't work properly. |
| 15:54.28 | JiniDog | where? |
| 15:56.30 | florian_kc | JiniDog: gpe cvs |
| 15:58.31 | JiniDog | do I have to make a CVS checkout? |
| 15:59.15 | JiniDog | ah I see |
| 15:59.17 | florian_kc | JiniDog: that would be better... |
| 16:01.52 | JiniDog | will take some time now, I'm currently compiling cairo |
| 16:02.11 | JiniDog | note that I compile all the stuff on the SL-5600 with this damn pxa-250 |
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| 16:06.26 | florian_kc | JiniDog: oh... yes... that might take some time ;-) |
| 16:10.29 | JiniDog | don't laugh, it compiled the whole system, from gcc over uclib until xfce |
| 16:10.45 | florian_kc | wow |
| 16:11.26 | florian_kc | s/ans/and |
| 16:15.03 | Donwulff | ANybody (awake) know what's the easiest wya to coax OE to compile source you're currently working on, without reading the manual? :) |
| 16:18.34 | koen | bitbake -b file.bb -c compile -f |
| 16:18.51 | koen | and as a side note: OE wasn't designed to do that |
| 16:20.22 | Donwulff | Thanks. What's the best way to do it then? I guess I'd need to make the changes to the build/tmp/work tree in that case, I guess they'll get overwritten in some conditions? |
| 16:20.56 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.09 | koen | that will force the compile step to be executed |
| 16:21.30 | koen | a bitbake -b file.bb -c package -f will force it to be pacakaged |
| 16:21.45 | Donwulff | No I mean you said OE wasn't designed for that, just wondered what'd be the best approach then. |
| 16:22.17 | koen | scratchbox or a regular crosstoolchain |
| 16:22.41 | koen | OE can do it, but it's not the fastest way |
| 16:22.53 | Donwulff | Is there GPE bootstrap for Scratchbox yet? Seems like there'd be lots of library problems. |
| 16:23.03 | koen | working on it :) |
| 16:23.26 | hrw | re |
| 16:23.28 | Donwulff | Library problems using some other bootstrap, that is. |
| 16:23.31 | koen | hey hrw |
| 16:24.27 | JiniDog | running the compile now |
| 16:24.34 | hrw | how to test netspeed between two machines in easiest way? I want to check wifi connection speed.. scp 10M-file zaurus:/tmp/ gives me ~50K/s with compression off |
| 16:25.05 | koen | try wget over http |
| 16:25.14 | koen | doing ssl on arm sucks |
| 16:25.33 | hrw | koen: busybox wget does not give info about speed during progress |
| 16:25.49 | koen | but I get about 350kB with scp |
| 16:26.03 | koen | hrw: time wget |
| 16:26.09 | Donwulff | Assuming that's bandw3idth test though, for speed as latency ping is probably best. WOndering if you can get ping to do bandwidth-testing.. |
| 16:26.10 | hrw | currently I get fastest with usb |
| 16:27.05 | koen | usb is theoretically faster and has better media controll |
| 16:27.34 | hrw | current test: "date;wget http://192.168.1.100/tmp/plik;date;rm plik" |
| 16:27.36 | florian_kc | Donwulff: no coplete rootstrap, but it might be easy to use oe for creating one. another idea would be to use the maemo rootstrap which should work too. |
| 16:27.58 | Donwulff | There' |
| 16:28.32 | Donwulff | There's quite a lot of differences with the Maemo, but yeah, for basic work it might be good. I think scratchbox.org has standard Debian ones, that with some GPE additions might work best. |
| 16:29.52 | florian_kc | yep... but they come with an up to date gtk :-) |
| 16:30.06 | koen | ehm |
| 16:30.13 | koen | 2.6.3 uptodate? |
| 16:30.51 | Donwulff | Haven't looked at building new rootstraps for Scratchbox, guess I should. |
| 16:31.00 | koen | florian_kc: have you read http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8351 ? |
| 16:31.41 | koen | it is a long way of saying: TT sucks |
| 16:35.15 | JiniDog | florian_kc, here |
| 16:35.16 | JiniDog | errorbox.c:21:21: libintl.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:35.16 | JiniDog | errorbox.c: In function `do_gpe_error_box': |
| 16:35.16 | JiniDog | errorbox.c:41: warning: implicit declaration of function `dgettext' |
| 16:35.29 | JiniDog | it doesn't work |
| 16:36.06 | JiniDog | oh, ah forget it for the moment |
| 16:37.12 | florian_kc | koen: ah... now i did :-) |
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| 16:41.18 | *** topic/#gpe is The GPE Palmtop Environment - http://gpe.handhelds.org/ | GPE Wiki: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPEProject | unstable images outdated: http://handhelds.org/~pb/unstable/ | unstable feed now (sort of) working again | familiar snapshots: http://familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/ |
| 16:49.30 | JiniDog | florian_kc, that's for you: |
| 16:49.30 | JiniDog | translabel.c: In function `filter': |
| 16:49.30 | JiniDog | translabel.c:68: warning: implicit declaration of function `setlocale' |
| 16:49.30 | JiniDog | translabel.c:68: error: `LC_MESSAGES' undeclared (first use in this function |
| 16:49.45 | JiniDog | Commenting out the setlocale line is enough here |
| 16:49.56 | florian_kc | JiniDog: okay wait... |
| 16:54.11 | hrw | JiniDog: I would rather fix that instead of workaround |
| 16:55.28 | JiniDog | I have not the abilitys to |
| 16:55.48 | hrw | JiniDog: you build with uclibc? |
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| 16:57.27 | JiniDog | yes |
| 16:59.38 | hrw | JiniDog: uclibc 0.9.27 has libintl.h in include/ |
| 17:00.45 | JiniDog | normaly it has, mine has not |
| 17:02.10 | hrw | so it is your fault ;) |
| 17:03.02 | JiniDog | don't know, it must have something to do with the uclibc-0.9.27 ebuild |
| 17:03.51 | JiniDog | I ask the devs |
| 17:07.28 | florian_kc | JiniDog: update and try again please :-) |
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| 17:19.54 | JiniDog | devs say, that the libintl.h stuff of uclibc is really experimental and you should better fix the apps |
| 17:21.16 | koen | I say let the uclibc people fix their stuff :) |
| 17:21.38 | koen | or don't release experimantal features |
| 17:22.19 | JiniDog | one way or the other, for me libgpewidget needs to be fixed |
| 17:22.29 | florian_kc | right... |
| 17:22.33 | JiniDog | running the compile again now |
| 17:22.45 | florian_kc | i hope it doesn't need more fixes now :-) |
| 17:23.33 | JiniDog | shouldn't, that were all I had to do make it working |
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| 17:30.58 | JiniDog | this has probably something to do with cairo-0.5.0 that I installed |
| 17:30.58 | JiniDog | gpeclockface.c: In function `gpe_clock_face_expose': |
| 17:30.58 | JiniDog | gpeclockface.c:265: warning: implicit declaration of function `cairo_set_rgb_color_REPLACED_BY_cairo_set_source_rgb' |
| 17:30.58 | JiniDog | gpeclockface.c: In function `gpe_clock_face_prepare_xrender': |
| 17:30.58 | JiniDog | gpeclockface.c:491: error: too few arguments to function `cairo_create' |
| 17:31.00 | JiniDog | gpeclockface.c:495: warning: implicit declaration of function `cairo_set_target_surface_DEPRECATED_BY_cairo_create' |
| 17:32.00 | florian_kc | hmm yes... i saw this before. maybe it tries to link agains the old library... |
| 17:33.55 | JiniDog | no, portage deleted the old version |
| 17:36.17 | florian_kc | hrm... looks like i need to check this lin libgpewidget... but later... |
| 17:36.32 | koen | c u |
| 17:37.35 | JiniDog | okay |
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| 17:40.16 | rob_w | re |
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| 18:51.28 | koen | florian: welcome back |
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| 19:12.31 | amadeus` | Hi, anyone here got gpe running on a ipaq hx4700? |
| 19:13.02 | koen|tv | aboeglin did |
| 19:13.15 | koen|tv | I'm waiting for the hx4700 to arrive |
| 19:13.59 | amadeus` | Ok, nice. Do you know if he got the wifi working, too? |
| 19:14.19 | koen|tv | I thought the wifi wasn't working at all |
| 19:14.29 | koen|tv | is the acx supported yet? |
| 19:16.09 | amadeus` | I don't think so..not according to the official status page. |
| 19:22.32 | luis | perhaps I should apply for SoC |
| 19:22.36 | luis | and improve gpe-today |
| 19:22.42 | luis | and the other pim stuff |
| 19:24.57 | luis | koen|tv: do you know if there are many people applying for hh.org's SoC thing? |
| 19:25.34 | koen|tv | about 10 last I heard |
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| 19:36.00 | koen|tv | luis: it can't hurt to write a proposal and see if you want to send it |
| 19:43.50 | luis | koen|tv: yes |
| 19:45.37 | luis | koen|tv: I guess I should contact with some mentor and see if my project idea is useful |
| 19:46.28 | koen|tv | yeah |
| 19:47.02 | koen|tv | have you read http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SummerOfCode ? |
| 19:48.24 | luis | yes |
| 19:48.54 | luis | koen|tv: but there are dozens of projects there and hh.org will only approve 4 or so |
| 19:49.40 | koen|tv | sure about that? |
| 19:51.00 | luis | yes |
| 19:51.17 | koen|tv | luis: I've emailed Erik to ask about the status |
| 20:16.48 | Philippe | evening people |
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| 20:20.09 | florian | hi Philippe |
| 20:20.15 | Philippe | hello florian |
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| 20:25.45 | reenoo | evening |
| 20:26.48 | Philippe | hi reenoo |
| 20:27.29 | koen|tv | hey Philippe & florian |
| 20:30.30 | reenoo | hi Philippe |
| 20:30.38 | reenoo | hey koen|tv |
| 20:31.39 | florian | hi reenoo |
| 20:38.34 | Philippe | does oe automatically include postinst and postrm scripts in a familiar subdir? |
| 20:38.47 | reenoo | no |
| 20:38.47 | koen|tv | no |
| 20:38.51 | reenoo | hey florian |
| 20:38.51 | koen|tv | it ignores it |
| 20:39.01 | koen|tv | everything is handled by the .bb |
| 20:39.19 | Philippe | koen|tv, thanks... |
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| 20:45.06 | reenoo | Philippe: basically you just have to add a pkg_postinst () {...} to the .bb |
| 20:46.03 | reenoo | or pkg_postrm |
| 20:47.58 | Philippe | reenoo, I just found out... Am I correct that I should add the content of those files between {...} |
| 20:48.37 | reenoo | correct |
| 20:51.00 | reenoo | note that pkg_postinst will be run at image creation time as well. |
| 20:51.45 | Philippe | reenoo, doing stuff in the staging dir then? Or how do I need to see this? |
| 20:53.23 | reenoo | I'm not sure why you believe staging would be related to this |
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| 20:53.46 | reenoo | the script will be run. that's about it |
| 20:54.48 | Philippe | reenoo, ok. |
| 20:55.17 | reenoo | you can use a check like this: "if test "x$D" != "x"; then <image creation time actions> else <runtime actions>" |
| 20:55.46 | reenoo | (that's not valid bash, obviously) |
| 20:57.19 | reenoo | for scripts that have to run at run time you want to replace <image creation time actions> with "exit 1" |
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| 21:19.02 | Philippe | how do I limit the postinst and postrm to one package? (if there are multiple packages generated from one bb file? |
| 21:19.25 | koen|tv | overrides |
| 21:19.44 | koen|tv | _foo1 = , _foo2 = , foo_ugly = |
| 21:19.57 | koen|tv | PACKAGES should be in overrides |
| 21:20.44 | Philippe | koen|tv, do you know of an example? |
| 21:21.00 | reenoo | busybox |
| 21:21.25 | reenoo | pkg_postinst_${PN} () {...} |
| 21:21.50 | Philippe | ok. got it. Thanks reeno... |
| 21:22.06 | reenoo | np |
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| 22:08.52 | sisa | hi |
| 22:09.04 | sisa | anyone here using a h5555 ? |
| 22:09.40 | florian | sometimes... we have one at company. |
| 22:10.17 | sisa | i just installed familiar 0.8.2 and i can't seem to get my iwlist to actually do anything |
| 22:10.30 | sisa | but it was working earlier today with 0.8.1 Opie without problems |
| 22:10.40 | sisa | just wondering if anyone knew if this was a gpe issue |
| 22:11.10 | reenoo | fwiw, opie and gpe use the same base system |
| 22:11.32 | sisa | reenoo, so maybe it's a 0.8.2 issue, cause i was using 0.8.1 |
| 22:12.06 | florian | right... |
| 22:12.55 | florian | but i remember i had some trouble with this too... gpe-aerial used to work fine on the h5xxx ipaqs |
| 22:13.52 | sisa | ok, i need the iwlist working for some software i'm writing |
| 22:14.28 | florian | sisa: do you intend to use the scanning feature? |
| 22:14.55 | sisa | florian : yes |
| 22:15.35 | florian | ah... that's the same which failed for me. |
| 22:15.38 | sisa | is gpe-aerial, the Wifi icon on the launch bar at the bottom? |
| 22:15.47 | sisa | florian, hmm, maybe we found a bug |
| 22:15.55 | sisa | florian, it worked with previous versions? |
| 22:17.01 | florian | sisa: yes... maybe a little bit unstable because of some suspend issues with the wireless driver but basically it worked fine some time ago. |
| 22:17.59 | reenoo | sisa: what's the exact error/output? (use http://pastebin.ca if longer than a couple of lines) |
| 22:18.52 | sisa | "wlan0 Failed to read scan data : Resource temporarily unavailable" |
| 22:19.30 | florian | hmm yes... that looks familiar. |
| 22:19.40 | sisa | a perms issue somewhere? |
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| 22:22.53 | florian | hmm no... that looks like a driver bug |
| 22:23.02 | sisa | damnit |
| 22:23.14 | sisa | any devs here? should i put this into bugtracker? |
| 22:23.41 | sisa | anyone else here have a h5550 ? |
| 22:24.52 | sisa | florian, so you think the driver is a new version? How to tell? |
| 22:25.13 | sisa | is it the rfcomm driver? |
| 22:26.32 | sisa | reenoo, did you see my output above? |
| 22:28.50 | reenoo | sisa: yah, like florian said, looks like an issue with the driver indeed. might also be due to a WE version mismatch but that seems rather unlikely. |
| 22:30.01 | sisa | what's WE? |
| 22:30.15 | reenoo | wireless extensions |
| 22:30.16 | sisa | are you saying that it should be entered into bug tracker? |
| 22:32.11 | reenoo | probably, yeah |
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| 22:55.12 | Cwiiis | Hi all |
| 22:55.30 | Cwiiis | Is anybody about? I was hoping to the pick the brains of a few other Linux/PDA geeks |
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| 22:59.09 | Philippe | ok. got it. Thanks reeno...hi Cwiiis |
| 22:59.40 | Cwiiis | Hey Philippe :) |
| 22:59.44 | Philippe | hmm I should use "arrow up" less often... |
| 22:59.56 | Cwiiis | I'm deciding soon what I'll be doing for my 3rd year project |
| 23:00.52 | Philippe | And?? you are looking for ideas I suppose... What do you want to know? |
| 23:00.59 | Cwiiis | It's pretty much a given it'll be something involving embedded Linux and information visualisation... My supervisor has suggested a tourist information system, which could certainly be interesting - Any ideas you have? |
| 23:01.51 | Cwiiis | It'd be nice to bootstrap gpe work into this somehow of course, but that isn't top priority |
| 23:02.20 | Philippe | hmm, tourist information. Kind of pda + gps combo, that shows the tourist where it is and makes info available about things in the neigbourhood... |
| 23:02.49 | Cwiiis | mm, he suggested integrating google maps and audio/video information |
| 23:02.57 | Philippe | Eventually with info about opening hours, event dates etc... (gpe-calendar) |
| 23:03.47 | reenoo | IIRC you're not allowed to re-use google maps data |
| 23:03.53 | Cwiiis | Perhaps research into how a PDA environment can be made more aware as to what you want, based on positional and calendar data? That'd be interesting... |
| 23:04.00 | Philippe | hmm, google maps will be hard without high speed internet... |
| 23:04.07 | Cwiiis | ah yes, there's an article about that on slashdot today actually... |
| 23:05.11 | Cwiiis | I'm not sure if I want to work on a system with such a specific use though |
| 23:05.43 | Cwiiis | http://slashdot.org/articles/05/06/08/203208.shtml?tid=217&tid=1 |
| 23:06.11 | Philippe | Just saw it... |
| 23:07.30 | Philippe | Maybe something different... you walk around campus and come close to the main auditorium. There is a server (or something similar there), your pda knows it is there, connects and exchanges info about the talks or lessons given there. |
| 23:07.44 | Philippe | then you can update your calendar. |
| 23:07.45 | Cwiiis | That's an interesting idea |
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| 23:08.51 | Cwiiis | What would you use to detect the proximity? wifi/bluetooth signal strength? gps? (I'm not up on these technologies, so sorry if I sound uninformed :)) |
| 23:09.37 | Philippe | Well maybe a combination.... however gps should be good enough (I believe it has a precision of a few meters now) |
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| 23:11.33 | Philippe | Or a combination of gps and wifi. When you get in range of an access point, you check with gps if that access point is supposed to be there, then you set-up your wireless with the good wireless setup (ssid etc...) then you exchange the info. Pop up a menu and let the user decide what to do. |
| 23:12.37 | Cwiiis | hmm, this is sounding more interesting now :) |
| 23:13.37 | Cwiiis | I'm sure my supervisor will have more ideas to add too - I quite like the idea of having objects around the Real World providing proximity-sensitive information about themselves... |
| 23:13.51 | Philippe | well it is just a random idea... I do not know how hard it will be to implement... |
| 23:14.09 | Cwiiis | Nor do I, would have to flesh it out a bit - nice random idea though, thanks :) |
| 23:16.18 | Philippe | you're welcome |
| 23:17.52 | Cwiiis | Might get to mess with gtk-webcore working on something like this anyway :) |
| 23:26.56 | sisa | are the familiar releases archived anywhere? I need to revert to 0.8.1 so that my wlan driver works properly |
| 23:28.54 | reenoo | sisa: replace 0.8.2 with 0.8.1 in feed/image URLs |
| 23:30.24 | sisa | reenoo, ok, thanks |
| 23:30.44 | sisa | i'm about to enter this bug in bugtracker, but am not sure what product to list it under |
| 23:30.50 | sisa | anyone know? |
| 23:32.05 | sisa | what's the best way to turn my ipaq off? |
| 23:32.28 | reenoo | you can't turn it off |
| 23:34.14 | sisa | heh |
| 23:34.28 | sisa | so just suspend? what's the command from the command line? |
| 23:35.12 | sisa | is *any*one here able to scan with a H5550? if so, what version of familiar? |
| 23:35.41 | reenoo | sisa: apm -s |
| 23:35.55 | sisa | perfect, thanks |
| 23:36.32 | sisa | should my led by the power button remain solid? also the top led by the wifi antenna is solid |
| 23:36.41 | reenoo | and I don't think anyone in here ATM even has access to a h55xx |
| 23:36.54 | sisa | k |
| 23:37.10 | sisa | looks like suspend is a bit buggy, cause these led's will obviously drain the device's power |
| 23:38.47 | Cwiiis | Does anyone have much experience with using gtk/gdk in an app with a drawing loop, or know of a good example? |
| 23:39.24 | reenoo | what do you mean by drawing loop? |
| 23:40.00 | Cwiiis | ah, GdkPixbufAnimation seems like what I want... |
| 23:40.29 | Cwiiis | I want to have a loop for animation, but I don't want to block the interface - but it looks like I want to use GdkPixbufAnimation |
| 23:41.01 | reenoo | well, you can always add hooks to the gtk main loop |
| 23:42.49 | Cwiiis | Is there a good example of an app doing that, or a struct I want to be looking at for that? |
| 23:43.14 | Cwiiis | seems like animation is nice though, oriented towards what I'm doing and provides a nice easy way of timing |
| 23:45.41 | reenoo | timer based would be g_timeout_add () |
| 23:46.36 | Donwulff | I have 5550, but haven't played much with MMC. |
| 23:46.55 | Donwulff | Er, sorry, WLAN. (Playing with MMC, so...:) |
| 23:48.21 | Donwulff | Leds don't use all that much power though, memory refresh etc. will take much more. But I think I saw some recent patches about better led management nevertheless. |
| 23:51.42 | Donwulff | First boot after "cold boot" (ie. pulling out the battery) is always to completely white screen, no matter how long I wait it doesn't get past that. Have to push the reboot button. But no problems with leds always on here. |
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