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| 00:26.14 | miraage | src/gz base http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.2/feed/base |
| 00:26.33 | rocketman327 | thanks |
| 00:26.50 | miraage | i run snes9x, giving an smc rom as an argument, it loads the rom and puts the title in the title bar, but then displays nothing (black screen) |
| 00:27.01 | rocketman327 | I'm working on it... still trying to get it to install packages to my cf card |
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| 03:08.07 | miraage | anyone here use scummvm? |
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| 03:46.20 | miraage | hi france |
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| 04:12.28 | clay | is there a gpe help channel here on freenode? |
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| 04:18.24 | miraage | hi, how do I go about adding or removing items to the gpe desktop? some ipkgs do that, but others don't. |
| 04:22.41 | clay | hi miraage, this is off topic, but i was wondering when you first installed gpe, did you have issues with gpe loading on your user account? |
| 04:23.35 | miraage | i dont recall anything specific. what sort of issues? |
| 04:24.11 | clay | gpe loads fine when i log in as root, but when i log in under my user account i just get a black screen the the x cursor |
| 04:24.50 | miraage | strange. i had no such problems. |
| 04:24.52 | clay | black screen with the x cursor, rather |
| 04:25.01 | miraage | i loaded familiar+gpe-0.8.2:stable |
| 04:25.15 | miraage | ona h3955 |
| 04:25.22 | clay | hrm |
| 04:25.44 | miraage | maybe its loading? no idea why it should take longer tan it does for root |
| 04:27.35 | clay | i've let it sit for quite a while |
| 04:27.41 | clay | but root loads right away |
| 04:57.44 | clay | hah |
| 04:57.45 | clay | god it |
| 04:57.48 | clay | er got it |
| 05:01.54 | miraage | what was it? |
| 05:02.15 | miraage | heh i still havent figured out where gpe stores desktop settings |
| 05:06.29 | clay | permissions problem on /dev/null |
| 05:06.30 | clay | go figure |
| 05:06.50 | miraage | interesting. how did you know to look there? |
| 05:07.19 | clay | i finally found it inside the .xsession-errors |
| 05:07.43 | miraage | a-ha |
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| 06:21.20 | koen | goooooood morning all |
| 06:21.44 | koen | miraage: /usr/share/applications |
| 06:21.58 | koen | all according to freedesktop.org standards |
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| 06:55.09 | rob_w | hi all |
| 06:55.21 | koen | ey rob_w |
| 06:55.26 | koen|work | bb |
| 06:55.30 | koen|work | bbl |
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| 07:02.50 | rob_w-cgi | hi |
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| 07:35.23 | koen|work | moin zecke |
| 07:38.28 | zecke | koen|work: hey, how is your company founding going ;) |
| 07:39.11 | koen|work | :) |
| 07:39.39 | koen|work | I'm waiting for the truck to dump 3m^3 of sand for the beachparty tonight |
| 07:39.48 | zecke | hehe |
| 07:42.08 | koen|work | ~curse rain and fog |
| 07:42.09 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, rain and fog ! |
| 07:42.46 | koen|work | zecke: did you see http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SummerOfCode? |
| 07:44.35 | zecke | nope |
| 07:45.30 | zecke | damn I need to create an account... for the wiki |
| 07:45.46 | zecke | koen|work: how will we do the tutoring? |
| 07:46.05 | zecke | mentoring even |
| 07:46.12 | koen|work | Erik spoke to jamey, france and phil to for a mentoring committee |
| 07:46.37 | koen|work | So I think there will be hh.org tutors for the opie,gpe,oe,hh.org projects |
| 07:47.29 | zecke | koen|work: I can just add new ideas? |
| 07:47.45 | koen|work | That's the plan :) |
| 07:49.07 | koen|work | we need a lot of ideas, so we can pick ~20 of them to submit to google |
| 07:49.40 | koen|work | or submit them all, depending on what the committee thinks |
| 07:50.36 | zecke | where would "Strong Cryptographic Support" be put at? Opie, Linux, OE? |
| 07:50.51 | zecke | sames goes for BSD Jail porting and SELinux integrration (sandboxing) |
| 07:51.23 | koen|work | infrastructure I guess |
| 07:52.36 | rob_w-cgi | koen|work : i filled out the apply form yesterday at summer of code for my gsm app for GPE |
| 07:52.48 | koen|work | cool |
| 07:53.09 | rob_w-cgi | but i refuse to subscribe to the related google group |
| 07:54.05 | rob_w-cgi | wondering if they replay since i am not a student ( at least not in the "normal definition" ) |
| 07:55.00 | rob_w-cgi | hmm may headset sits strange today ,, |
| 07:56.36 | rob_w-cgi | so , today is naming day : i will decide on what name that app is gonna take |
| 07:56.57 | rob_w-cgi | then i will spawn a sourceforge cvs |
| 08:01.15 | zecke | yeah we're listed at Summer of Code |
| 08:06.02 | koen|work | cool |
| 08:06.13 | koen|uni | brb |
| 08:12.29 | koen|uni | re |
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| 08:22.07 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 08:22.25 | koen|uni | good morning florian_kc & XorA |
| 08:28.36 | XorA | lo koen |
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| 08:40.44 | rob_w-cgi | 2 things : are there big changes in the queue for the gpe-contacts database and its interfaces ? so is it a good time to hook upon it and get contact data to a app ? 2nd does someone know if a cf jacket can "wake up " a suspended ipaq |
| 08:43.13 | koen|uni | a jacket should be able to wake it up, but I don't know if the kernel supports it |
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| 08:43.53 | rob_w-cgi | koen|uni any docs on this ? |
| 08:44.06 | koen|uni | not that I know off |
| 08:44.17 | koen|uni | jamey, france or pb might know |
| 08:45.56 | florian_kc | rob_w-cgi: there were some changes a few weeks ago, but if you use latest release you are safe. |
| 08:46.46 | florian_kc | rob_w-cgi: currently you would need to get the bits you need from contacts db.c - we need to create a library from this. |
| 08:47.02 | rob_w-cgi | ok thanks |
| 08:47.10 | koen|uni | any students around for this? |
| 08:48.45 | zecke | rob_w-cgi: I know my GSM jacket can wake the iPAQ up |
| 08:49.27 | rob_w-cgi | zecke oh you are using it ? |
| 08:50.11 | zecke | rob_w-cgi: not too intensively |
| 08:50.22 | rob_w-cgi | what apps do u have for that ? |
| 08:50.34 | zecke | I'm currently toying with other GSM/UMTS hardware |
| 08:51.20 | rob_w-cgi | i started working on a app called gphone which was written for the gsm jackets and i want to extend it to use gpe-contacts and various cf gsm cards |
| 08:52.19 | zecke | rob_w-cgi: It gets fun when using the ETSI multiplexer channel stuff |
| 08:53.42 | rob_w-cgi | dont know about this yet |
| 08:56.24 | rob_w-cgi | dohh no iget again the bluetooth error " couldnt register obex service " on the bt applet |
| 08:56.25 | zecke | rob_w-cgi: with one physical line you can control three virtual lines |
| 08:56.39 | rob_w-cgi | zecke docs on this ? |
| 08:56.43 | zecke | rob_w-cgi: so line 1 dialing/sms... |
| 08:56.48 | zecke | line 2 ppp/gprs |
| 08:56.57 | zecke | line 3 contact reading and writing |
| 08:57.01 | zecke | rob_w-cgi: www.etsi.com |
| 08:57.09 | zecke | GSM 07.10 IIRC |
| 08:59.37 | rob_w-cgi | thnx |
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| 09:05.52 | rob_w-cgi | XorA why ? |
| 09:06.10 | XorA | rob_w-cgi: coz Im a member, and the commities can be stupid as hell |
| 09:06.38 | zecke | XorA: ok that will apply to any commitiee |
| 09:09.25 | zecke | USIM? |
| 09:09.36 | XorA | SIM for 3g, sits on a UICC |
| 09:09.53 | zecke | ok |
| 09:10.03 | zecke | anyway Modem manufacteurers went insane... |
| 09:10.27 | zecke | integrating TCP Stacks, PPP, USB Client (NDIS), SD, SDIO on a modem... |
| 09:10.36 | zecke | ah and Java |
| 09:11.25 | florian_kc | eeks! |
| 09:12.15 | XorA | zecke: that sounds like UICC specs in ETSI |
| 09:12.28 | XorA | USIM is supposed to move onto an SD card |
| 09:12.43 | XorA | so traditional sim would be replaced with SD in new 3g phones |
| 09:12.51 | zecke | XorA: any Siemens MC >= 35 seem to offer that |
| 09:13.00 | zecke | florian_kc: running on a ARM core... |
| 09:13.22 | zecke | florian_kc: actually modem have GPIO, I2S, I2C, battery loading control... |
| 09:13.39 | zecke | (I2C both client, master and multi master) |
| 09:14.57 | florian_kc | zecke: crazy... |
| 09:15.32 | rob_w-cgi | cool |
| 09:16.06 | zecke | florian_kc: to build a cell phone you need one modem, an antenna, a case and a small micro processor to drive a display + running the app... |
| 09:17.33 | rob_w-cgi | XorA : good to know that you are involved there .. that could help me with the app |
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| 09:20.46 | rob_w-cgi | ~lart cgi-irg for beeing so quickly clicked away |
| 09:21.38 | XorA | rob_w-cgi: probably not, I do SIM/Smartcard stuff, nothing you can play with anyway |
| 09:24.18 | rob_w-cgi | XorA dont they have a pool of devices / cards for developers :-) |
| 09:25.08 | XorA | rob_w-cgi: got a load of phones] |
| 09:25.31 | rob_w-cgi | nope , i am interessted in CF cards |
| 09:28.35 | XorA | ah crap, windows is going to die :-( |
| 09:35.00 | zecke | florian_kc: stop hurting debian |
| 09:35.54 | florian_kc | hehe |
| 09:36.26 | florian_kc | zecke: np... actually i use debain myself :-) |
| 09:37.02 | florian_kc | but in fact it is better ro run Ubuntu then to run windows |
| 09:37.05 | zecke | florian_kc: I send all my ubuntu bugs/issues to debian as well ;) |
| 09:37.18 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 09:38.18 | XorA | someone told me debian dont support amd64 |
| 09:38.37 | hrw|work | XorA: iirc not yet |
| 09:41.09 | hrw|work | gpe use sqlite or sqlite3? |
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| 09:42.42 | florian_kc | currently sqlite |
| 09:43.36 | hrw|work | what do you think about moving gpe to sqlite3 and then somekind of unify gpe and opie sqlite3 pim databases? |
| 09:47.37 | XorA | hrw|work: now thats the idea of the century |
| 09:49.52 | hrw|work | this will give only one sync method to write for both enviroments. but those windows^qtopia desktop users will complain. |
| 09:50.42 | florian_kc | hrw|work: that would be some kind of idea. i could write down some information about wthe database scheme we currently use in gpe. |
| 09:51.06 | florian_kc | hrw|work: is there some deocument describing this for opie? |
| 09:51.10 | XorA | hrw|work: gpe-multisync already works better than multisync-opie so its an ace idea |
| 09:51.46 | hrw|work | florian_kc: currently it looks like qtopia xml inserted into sqlite |
| 09:52.22 | hrw|work | and it is ugly to manipulate by hand |
| 09:53.00 | florian_kc | hrw|work: oh dear... that sounds more than ugly. |
| 09:53.56 | hrw|work | I gave up on changing it by hand |
| 09:59.22 | zecke | hrw|work: you miss one point. When syncing applications need to flush the data and not write/change until the sync is done |
| 09:59.43 | zecke | hrw|work: and most likely you do not want to expose the internal storage directly |
| 10:00.59 | hrw|work | so pimAPI should have somekind of locking and syncdaemon? |
| 10:01.20 | zecke | hrw|work: a sync daemon would be nice |
| 10:01.30 | zecke | hrw|work: and with dbus integration to inform applications |
| 10:01.43 | zecke | hrw|work: and plugins to support alternative formats... |
| 10:02.13 | hrw|work | zecke: datebook, todo, contacts, notes, extras.. |
| 10:02.34 | zecke | hrw|work: alternate external representations |
| 10:05.12 | hrw|work | all that sounds nice.. but who will implement it.. |
| 10:05.26 | zecke | :) |
| 10:07.05 | XorA | hrw|work: that sounds like volunteering talk to me :-) |
| 10:08.36 | hrw|work | really? :) |
| 10:09.08 | hrw|work | btw - does gpe wlan config have support for profiles? |
| 10:11.13 | florian_kc | hrw|work: currently not |
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| 10:42.22 | hrw|work | aquadran: ping |
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| 10:45.38 | koen|work | XorA: I asked about a unified pim 2 years back or so |
| 10:45.57 | koen|work | there were some problems with relational vs non-relational |
| 10:46.11 | koen|work | but I guess those can be worked out pretty easy |
| 10:47.53 | koen|work | bbl |
| 10:47.57 | XorA | koen|work: also opie would finally have to learn users |
| 11:06.40 | rob_w-cgi | german discounter Lidl is acused of GPL violations .,, hehe |
| 11:07.02 | tommie | Does someone here do geocaching with iPAQ and gps unit? |
| 11:07.07 | tommie | rob_w-cgi: yeah |
| 11:07.15 | tommie | rob_w-cgi: because of some media player based on linux |
| 11:07.49 | rob_w-cgi | goecaching ?? hmm what is that , i ve a bt gps unit |
| 11:09.00 | tommie | nice |
| 11:09.07 | tommie | rob_w-cgi: I guess you are german, so you may know the term "Schnitzeljagd" |
| 11:09.15 | tommie | rob_w-cgi: People hide "caches" somewhere, and publish the coordinates via internet |
| 11:09.51 | rob_w-cgi | ah right |
| 11:09.59 | tommie | cool stuff IMHO |
| 11:10.07 | tommie | rob_w-cgi: Do you use Gpsdrive on your notebook? |
| 11:10.18 | rob_w-cgi | well should work fine , no i ve gpsdrive on the ipaq |
| 11:10.26 | tommie | I once made a script that enters all geocaches in your surroundings in your waypoint database |
| 11:10.37 | tommie | http://localhost.ruhr.de/~stefan/gpsdrive/ |
| 11:10.41 | tommie | ah |
| 11:10.42 | rob_w-cgi | good |
| 11:10.45 | tommie | so no MySQL I guess |
| 11:10.58 | tommie | Pretty cool, there are a lot of Locations here |
| 11:11.02 | tommie | Never imagined that |
| 11:11.14 | tommie | rob_w-cgi: Does it work well? BT-GPS with Gpsdrive on iPAQ? |
| 11:11.57 | tommie | Just bought a BT GPS |
| 11:12.17 | tommie | http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=c572f495-b080-41ca-a1fa-ae0da48d8b9e |
| 11:12.21 | tommie | cool |
| 11:14.12 | rob_w-cgi | yep works good |
| 11:14.24 | tommie | nice |
| 11:14.41 | tommie | How responsible are those BT units? |
| 11:15.02 | tommie | can you transport them in your shirt pocket, or do they need a streigt line of sight to the satellites? |
| 11:15.02 | rob_w-cgi | well what do you mean ? |
| 11:15.23 | tommie | I only have a USB device until now |
| 11:15.24 | rob_w-cgi | i had mine i a jacket pocket and it worked for me ,, that depends on your gps device |
| 11:16.08 | tommie | cool |
| 11:16.50 | tommie | rob_w-cgi: Which ipaq do you use for that? |
| 11:18.54 | rob_w-cgi | 3970 |
| 11:19.32 | tommie | ah |
| 11:19.43 | tommie | I hope it'll work with my 5450 |
| 11:20.44 | rob_w-cgi | hm if its bt is supported i dont see any problem |
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| 12:11.21 | jamesm | names |
| 12:11.34 | jamesm | Afternoon all :) |
| 12:11.39 | koen|work | hey jamesm |
| 12:12.47 | florian_kc | hello jamesm |
| 12:12.56 | jamesm | Hey koen|work: how goes the maemo tinkering? |
| 12:13.18 | koen|work | pretty good |
| 12:13.32 | koen|work | I got some feedback from nokia that was very helpfull |
| 12:13.55 | jamesm | They're really going the all the way with this open development thing huh? |
| 12:14.07 | koen|work | yep |
| 12:14.18 | koen|work | they tight deadline got a bit in their way |
| 12:14.25 | koen|work | and the legal issues too |
| 12:14.33 | jamesm | Understandable for a big corp. |
| 12:14.42 | koen|work | I think those will be solved before launch |
| 12:15.24 | florian_kc | yeah... thay should open the package manager... this one needs to be fixed ;-) |
| 12:16.05 | jamesm | Is that still on the todo list? |
| 12:16.35 | florian_kc | i guess so... |
| 12:47.14 | miraage | hmmz, i just rebooted my ipaq, and now gpe doesn't display gpe-login |
| 12:49.59 | miraage | i'm ssh'ed to the machine, and i see 1227 root R 2856 1180 98.0 4.5 gpe-login |
| 12:50.11 | miraage | in top... so its doing something |
| 12:55.34 | miraage | where are the X logs?! |
| 12:59.35 | miraage | great now i cant even ssh :( |
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| 13:02.45 | rob_w-cgi | can someone tell me my wiki password ? sorry |
| 13:07.25 | miraage | this is too bad :( |
| 13:08.00 | miraage | i can no longer login to my new gpe install |
| 13:08.34 | jamesm | user config bug? |
| 13:08.44 | miraage | i haven't touched it |
| 13:09.03 | jamesm | default tty on serial? |
| 13:09.10 | miraage | i just get the X cursor, no login screen, and gpe-login takes up most of the CPU |
| 13:09.31 | miraage | jamesm: how do i check that? |
| 13:10.17 | jamesm | if the default tty is running you can login to it via a serial port (from a pc) |
| 13:10.30 | miraage | i can login through usb-ethernet |
| 13:10.44 | miraage | thats how i know that gpe-login is taking up ~90% of cpu |
| 13:12.00 | miraage | any advice have, do you? |
| 13:12.19 | jamesm | ah right |
| 13:14.05 | jamesm | try to shutdown -r now ? |
| 13:14.14 | miraage | and then? |
| 13:14.25 | miraage | same thing happens |
| 13:14.26 | jamesm | when the system restarts, see what happens |
| 13:14.30 | jamesm | oh |
| 13:15.17 | jamesm | you need to grab some debug info and then reflash and report a bug maybe |
| 13:15.24 | miraage | yes |
| 13:15.29 | miraage | where are the logs? |
| 13:15.35 | miraage | /var/log is very empty |
| 13:15.55 | miraage | by the way, am i supposed to have some sort of ~/ramdisk ? |
| 13:16.09 | miraage | because i recall having one, but it no longer exists |
| 13:16.15 | jamesm | what machine? |
| 13:16.20 | miraage | ipaq 3955 |
| 13:16.51 | jamesm | probably, but don't quote me, I only have a Z |
| 13:16.55 | miraage | ic |
| 13:17.01 | miraage | could that be a problem? |
| 13:17.21 | hrw|work | miraage: /media/ram/ should exist - tmpfs |
| 13:17.33 | miraage | very strange though, that gpe-login is running as a process, but nothing's showing on the Xserver |
| 13:17.53 | miraage | ah ok it exists, hrw|work |
| 13:18.32 | hrw|work | miraage: ~/ramdisk/ is symlink to /media/ram/$USER/ or sth like that |
| 13:18.40 | hrw|work | iirc ofcourse as I dont use gpe |
| 13:18.46 | miraage | but is it essential for booting? |
| 13:18.58 | miraage | doesnt make sense... |
| 13:19.19 | miraage | do you have some insight on this prob, hrw|work ? |
| 13:19.38 | hrw|work | miraage: nope |
| 13:20.29 | miraage | ok.. where are teh X logs? |
| 13:31.48 | rob_w-cgi | miraage ~/.xsession-errors |
| 13:38.00 | miraage | doesn't exist :( |
| 13:39.05 | hrw|work | ~/ramdisk/.xsession-errors rather |
| 13:39.32 | miraage | dont have ~/ramdisk :( |
| 13:39.36 | jamesm | assuming your ramdisk is in tact ;) |
| 13:39.38 | jamesm | ^ |
| 13:39.44 | miraage | that could be it then |
| 13:40.00 | miraage | in fact /media/ram is empty |
| 13:40.21 | koen|work | openzaurus didn't have a ramdisk until yesterday |
| 13:40.23 | jamesm | anything in /var/log? |
| 13:40.31 | miraage | no, nothing relevant jamesm |
| 13:40.38 | miraage | this is familiar |
| 13:40.42 | miraage | on ipaq |
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| 13:53.36 | koen|work | I hope you don't like like on of the protesters |
| 13:54.02 | XorA | koen|work: Ill be the one with the 10 pound lump hammer struggling to get to work :-) |
| 13:54.14 | koen|work | :) |
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| 14:22.06 | hrw|work | it looks like gpe is not installable via "ipkg install gpe-task-base" :( |
| 14:23.02 | jamesm | what happens? |
| 14:23.57 | hrw|work | jamesm: xserver have to be installed by hand |
| 14:24.37 | hrw|work | gpe-task-depends depends on virtual/xserver but xserver-kdrive does not provide virtual/xserver |
| 14:24.53 | jamesm | oh I see |
| 14:25.21 | hrw|work | btw. someone want sylpheed 1.9.12? (current development version) |
| 14:26.16 | jamesm | so many email clients, so little time |
| 14:26.36 | hrw|work | so many pda ui, so little time... |
| 14:27.06 | jamesm | this is true |
| 14:28.05 | hrw|work | maybe today/tomorrow I will update my husky to newer opie and will run gpe there |
| 14:30.08 | jamesm | tomorrow I have to package my poodle up and send it in the mail to its new home |
| 14:31.01 | hrw|work | poodle? |
| 14:31.48 | jamesm | yes, I never loved the 5600 much |
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| 14:34.38 | hrw|work | who did.. its most unsupported zaurus... (if we forget about A300) |
| 14:36.18 | jamesm | I never saw the A300 |
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| 14:38.15 | hrw|work | I never saw other Z then my 5500 and c760 |
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| 14:43.13 | florian_kc | hi tigrux, hi pb_ |
| 14:44.52 | pb_ | florian_kc: good afternoon! |
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| 14:59.40 | reenoo | afternoon |
| 14:59.47 | koen|work | hey reenoo |
| 15:00.20 | reenoo | hi koen|work |
| 15:03.27 | rob_w-cgi | bbl going home |
| 15:03.42 | koen|work | cu |
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| 15:50.19 | florian_kc | yeah |
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| 15:56.03 | jamesm | subversion have a couple of interesting projects that might be worth a look for that |
| 15:56.59 | florian_kc | i guess hh.org can easily define a huge pile of projects |
| 15:57.14 | reenoo | heh. I was rather thinking of something hh.org related. I don't really care about svn |
| 15:58.39 | hrw|work | reenoo: hh.org have a list already |
| 15:58.53 | reenoo | I know |
| 16:03.10 | reenoo | I have a concrete project in mind. however, looking at my schedule, I'm just not sure whether it's a wise idea to apply |
| 16:03.52 | jamesm | You have to be a student, is that right? |
| 16:04.46 | reenoo | jamesm: http://code.google.com/summfaq.html |
| 16:05.54 | jamesm | Yes I thought so.. I might have to take my employer up on their offer to do a two year phd in sydney |
| 16:09.11 | pb_ | florian_kc: yah, we have some projects on the wiki already. If you can think of any more, please go ahead and add them. |
| 16:10.12 | florian_kc | pb_: i already started with this :-) |
| 16:10.22 | pb_ | florian_kc: heh, very good |
| 16:10.41 | florian_kc | i'll add some more this evening |
| 16:11.01 | pb_ | florian_kc: and, of course, if you know any students, please encourage them to take up our projects :-) |
| 16:11.31 | florian_kc | yeah... i guess it is worth to announce this at our local university. |
| 16:11.46 | pb_ | right |
| 16:12.50 | jamesm | If only I knew of hh.org when I was doing my degree |
| 16:21.31 | koen|work | http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SummerOfCode |
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| 16:24.52 | rob_w | re |
| 16:25.00 | koen|work | ~lart glibc people |
| 16:25.56 | florian_kc | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.24090.png |
| 16:27.04 | koen|work | ~hail florian |
| 16:27.07 | ibot | ACTION bows down to florian and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 16:27.14 | koen|work | florian_kc: time to add that to the gallery I'd say |
| 16:27.22 | koen|work | "GPE supports nokia 770" |
| 16:27.29 | koen|work | as a hh.org frontpage item |
| 16:28.00 | rob_w | i love its screen size |
| 16:28.53 | florian_kc | koen|work: It's in the gallery already, but for official support we still need to do some work. |
| 16:29.07 | koen|work | yeah |
| 16:29.23 | koen|work | but it's nice that were on board this early |
| 16:29.59 | florian_kc | We need Xomap with Xcalibrate support in oe and maybe some more updates. |
| 16:33.25 | koen|work | isn't Xcalibrate a seperate .bb? |
| 16:33.47 | florian_kc | yes, i menat xcalibrate extensions |
| 16:33.59 | koen|work | that is a seperate .bb too :) |
| 16:34.05 | pb_ | no, it isn't. |
| 16:34.13 | koen|work | it isn't? |
| 16:34.13 | koen|work | koen@dominion:/data/build/oe/openembedded/packages/maemo$ ls ../xc |
| 16:34.13 | koen|work | xcalibrate/ xcompmgr/ xcursor-transparent-theme/ |
| 16:34.13 | koen|work | xcalibrateext/ xcomposite/ |
| 16:34.21 | pb_ | no. that's the client side library. |
| 16:34.25 | koen|work | ah, ok |
| 16:34.44 | pb_ | the server extensions are part of the xserver source. |
| 16:35.08 | pb_ | kdrive doesn't have any support for external extensions in any case, so a separate .bb would be useless. |
| 16:35.34 | koen|work | what would be the best way to add Xomap? |
| 16:35.42 | koen|work | patch it in? |
| 16:35.49 | pb_ | write a patch and apply it to xserver-kdrive |
| 16:35.49 | pb_ | yeah |
| 16:36.06 | pb_ | same way that Xepson was handled originally. |
| 16:36.23 | pb_ | or, alternatively, if it's under an appropriate license, get someone to apply it to the kdrive repository directly. |
| 16:37.22 | rob_w | what connectivity does this nokia have ? |
| 16:38.22 | koen|work | wifi + bt + usb |
| 16:38.30 | koen|work | it should have usb OTG |
| 16:38.44 | rob_w | good |
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| 16:46.25 | florian_kc | pb_: Is it ok for you if i release a new gpe-dm with the bits for the 770? |
| 16:47.56 | koen|food | bbl |
| 16:48.31 | pb_ | florian_kc: sure, go ahead |
| 16:49.29 | florian_kc | pb_: ok :-) |
| 16:49.57 | florian_kc | koen|food: okay, your turn - 0.45 it is. |
| 16:51.34 | florian_kc | i'm going to check in some support for their maemo platform too. (gpe-contacts and gpe-todo) |
| 16:51.49 | florian_kc | but i need to test that stuff first. |
| 16:52.06 | pb_ | cool |
| 16:53.02 | rob_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.19 | rob_w | is there a common sense about sourceforge? |
| 17:08.42 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 18:01.11 | aquadran | hrw: hello |
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| 18:11.36 | hrw | hi aquadran |
| 18:11.46 | hrw | aquadran: where are you from? (which part of Poland) |
| 18:12.00 | koen | pb_: the patches to gpe-dm in OE, should they stay in OE, or should I put them in bugzilla? |
| 18:12.28 | aquadran | hrw: yes, why I are you ask ? |
| 18:12.48 | hrw | aquadran: look at my address |
| 18:12.52 | pb_ | koen: dunno. what do they do? |
| 18:13.19 | koen | hold |
| 18:13.30 | koen | stiniking consistency check |
| 18:13.36 | koen | stinking even |
| 18:13.57 | aquadran | hrw: i see :) |
| 18:14.07 | koen | hmm |
| 18:14.08 | koen | + # Horrible hack required to enable resuming after suspend+ rm -f /dev/apm_bios+ killall -9 apmd |
| 18:14.18 | hrw | koen: collie fix |
| 18:14.30 | koen | yep |
| 18:14.46 | koen | as ramses fix (add Ramses to the case:) |
| 18:15.07 | pb_ | those should definitely not go anywhere |
| 18:15.08 | koen | and a busybox fix |
| 18:15.13 | pb_ | what's the busybox fix? |
| 18:15.45 | koen | looks like a sanity check on $SESSIONFILES |
| 18:16.18 | koen | I think the ramses and the xsession patch are safe for upstream |
| 18:16.52 | pb_ | the ramses one sounds okay |
| 18:17.03 | pb_ | I don't know what's going on with the xsession thing. where did that come from? |
| 18:18.56 | koen | cwiiis added it |
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| 18:19.01 | pb_ | okay |
| 18:19.07 | pb_ | get him to explain what it's for |
| 18:19.11 | koen | make Xsession more debian-like (source all scripts) in gpe-dm. |
| 18:19.27 | koen | the patch: http://oe-devel.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded/anno/packages/gpe-dm/files/source-xsession-scripts.patch@1.1?nav=index.html|src/.|src/packages/gpe-dm/files |
| 18:20.05 | pb_ | oh, I see, he wants to source those rather than execing them. |
| 18:20.08 | pb_ | I guess that's reasonable. |
| 18:20.19 | pb_ | yeah, go ahead and put that one in bugzilla then. |
| 18:21.05 | pb_ | later all |
| 18:21.09 | koen | see you |
| 18:27.30 | koen | ~botmail for florian: 0.45 builds and is in |
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| 19:06.01 | reenoo | hmm.. didn't sylpheed support ssl? |
| 19:06.18 | koen | it did, I think pb ported it to tls |
| 19:07.27 | reenoo | yeah. it's just that I can't find any way to enable IMAPS in the GUI... |
| 19:12.36 | reenoo | hmm.. no gnutls in Depends: |
| 19:13.28 | reenoo | seems like the build that went into 0.8.2 didn't work out as expected |
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| 19:38.07 | hrw | I installed xserver-kdrive-fbdev, gpe-task-base gpe-task-pim gpe-task-apps gpe-task-settings, started gpe-dm 0.45, created new user and now I have black screen... what is wrong? |
| 19:38.46 | hrw | ok. I found. |
| 19:38.54 | hrw | Failed to open /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 19:38.54 | hrw | No terminal on standard input and no X display; cannot attach message bus to session lifetime |
| 19:38.57 | hrw | root@c7x0:/media/ram/home/hrw# ll /dev/null |
| 19:38.59 | hrw | crw-rw---- 1 root root 1, 3 Jan 1 1970 /dev/null |
| 19:39.28 | hrw | bingo! chmod 666 /dev/null helped |
| 19:41.56 | hrw | Session timeout on gpe-clock |
| 19:41.57 | hrw | Fatal: no entropy gathering module detected |
| 19:42.13 | hrw | is that normal? I got it also for gpe-auto-bluetooth and minilite.. |
| 19:45.37 | koen | hrw: do you have dbus installed? |
| 19:45.49 | hrw | yes |
| 19:45.57 | koen | and it's running? |
| 19:46.04 | hrw | will reboot in few minutes so it will run for sure |
| 19:46.14 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.17 | hrw | was running |
| 19:46.28 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.39 | koen | that should work |
| 19:47.04 | koen | check ~/.xession-errors |
| 19:47.17 | hrw | will do |
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| 19:48.11 | hrw | can gpe-dm have same "getkey or start like opie has? |
| 19:48.32 | koen | no |
| 19:48.49 | koen | you have single user runlevels for that |
| 19:49.44 | hrw | now I have borken Z - opie started after gpe-dm took control on keyboard ;( |
| 19:50.04 | koen | iirc xora assigned them to different VTs |
| 19:50.18 | koen | a chvt 3 or something in opie/gpe script should help |
| 19:50.18 | hrw | not on my Z - he did it in howto |
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| 19:56.03 | hrw | koen: hmm.. why /dev/null is 660 instead of 666... |
| 19:56.20 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 19:56.25 | quitte_ | hi |
| 19:56.59 | jsmanrique | next week I have two reunions with two companies that might be interested in working in linux devices and elearning ;-) |
| 19:57.06 | quitte_ | is there a better place to ask for touchscreen support than here? im having trouble with tslib and h3600 |
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| 19:57.24 | hrw | koen: does this message is normal: Fatal: no entropy gathering module detected |
| 19:57.27 | hrw | ? |
| 19:57.40 | quitte_ | and im wondering if there is a gpm version that can handle h3600 touchscreen |
| 19:57.48 | reenoo | hrw: does "Fatal:" sound normal? |
| 19:58.10 | hrw | reenoo: not for me - but I never run gpe as long... |
| 19:58.39 | hrw | another chmod 666 on /dev/ - this time *random |
| 19:59.12 | reenoo | hrw: sounds like permissions are seriously messed up in your /dev |
| 20:00.00 | hrw | reenoo: yep - will check them |
| 20:03.59 | hrw | reenoo: and I dont know why I have 660 /dev/* |
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| 20:11.06 | hrw | hmm.. "gpe-conf theme" lack setting for terminal font name |
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| 20:32.51 | florian | re |
| 20:33.19 | reenoo | florian: wb |
| 20:38.28 | koen | hey florian |
| 20:39.01 | florian | koen: very good... that's for the gpe basics. i'll try to bake Xomap tomorrow. |
| 20:41.08 | koen | cool |
| 20:41.58 | mallum | florian: did you get source ? |
| 20:42.29 | florian | mallum: it is available from maemo.org |
| 20:42.46 | koen | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo/ossw/source/x/xserver-kdrive/ |
| 20:43.02 | koen | ~hug browser history |
| 20:43.03 | ibot | ACTION hugs browser history |
| 20:43.10 | mallum | cool |
| 20:44.05 | mallum | florian: iirc they use ( or at least used too ) a patched tslib which you will need other than the stock one |
| 20:44.05 | koen | the plan is to patch Xomap into the OE .bb |
| 20:44.23 | koen | and if the license permits we should send it upstream |
| 20:44.44 | koen | which I think it does, since they ship it in a tarball together with the rest of kdrive |
| 20:44.53 | mallum | koen: I dont think it will get upstream |
| 20:44.58 | florian | It's pretty fast... the almost 200MHz faster Netbook Pro with its extra controller needs much longer to fill the screen. |
| 20:45.48 | mallum | florian: ;) |
| 20:45.50 | pb_ | florian: yah, the netbook pro suffers from this problem of having only a very thin pipe between the cpu and the vram. |
| 20:46.04 | koen | like the h5xxx and h2xxx ? |
| 20:46.24 | pb_ | yes, but the effect is worse because the screen is more than four times larger. |
| 20:46.32 | florian | pb_: right... i remember someone mentioned this some time ago. |
| 20:47.03 | pb_ | florian: it can fill the screen with a flat colour in no time, but anything more complicated is very slow. |
| 20:47.12 | florian | Oh btw... i created a nicer screenshot of gpe-contacts with the production image :-) |
| 20:47.29 | pb_ | and, sadly, filling the screen with a flat colour does not lead to a very exciting visual design. |
| 20:47.38 | pb_ | florian: ah, very good |
| 20:47.42 | florian | pb_: heh indeed... |
| 20:48.13 | koen | pb_: 6.25 times larger |
| 20:48.29 | pb_ | koen: thanks for the bulletin |
| 20:48.45 | koen | :) |
| 20:49.17 | florian | Did someone here take a look at libosso? |
| 20:49.32 | koen | (I even had to open calculator to get the answer) |
| 20:49.36 | koen | *shame* |
| 20:50.11 | koen | florian: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.26154.png |
| 20:50.13 | koen | that one? |
| 20:50.33 | koen | the dock icons are pretty neat |
| 20:50.44 | koen | displaying the current state and all |
| 20:51.14 | pb_ | by the way, thinking of the omap, why does tune-arm926ejs set PACKAGE_ARCH to arm926ejs rather than armv5te? |
| 20:51.59 | koen | I had it set to armv5te, but all the other omap set it to arm926 |
| 20:52.13 | koen | and it passes arm926 to gcc |
| 20:52.24 | koen | I can change it back if it's the same |
| 20:53.07 | koen | ehmm, wait |
| 20:53.07 | pb_ | -mtune doesn't affect the ISA level; only -march does that. |
| 20:54.17 | koen | ehm, back is the wrong word |
| 20:54.52 | florian | koen: yes... i guess that will be availabe soon too. in latest development image two of them showed up. |
| 20:56.53 | koen | pb_: I corrected my mistake |
| 20:58.11 | pb_ | koen: thanks |
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| 20:59.43 | koen | ok, now it's completely corrected |
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| 21:36.19 | koen | 'night all |
| 21:58.15 | Philippe | evening |
| 22:06.15 | florian | hi Philippe |
| 22:06.39 | Philippe | evening florian |
| 22:07.30 | Philippe | I fixed up the patch for the help system according to Phil's recommendations. Except for the absolute application paths. Do you know a function I can use for that? |
| 22:07.49 | Philippe | I just don't feel like going recursively trough the directory tree. |
| 22:08.07 | florian | imho you do it se same way you would do it on a console. |
| 22:08.25 | florian | just remove the path |
| 22:09.47 | Philippe | I did, but then I need to remove the acces() calls... and check if the app spawns (risking of spawning a second one) |
| 22:11.48 | florian | hmm right.. does this glib spawn finction returns anything useful to indicate if it was successful? |
| 22:12.01 | pb_ | Philippe: you don't need to walk the directory tree. All you need to do is explode $PATH into its components by splitting on :, then look in each of those directories to see if the program exists. There might be a C library function to do that for you. |
| 22:12.45 | florian | g_strsplit |
| 22:13.31 | Philippe | problem is I wanted to avoid the test multiple dirs for an executable... |
| 22:14.44 | pb_ | I don't think you can avoid that. There is no way to predict for sure what directory these programs will be installed in. |
| 22:15.28 | Philippe | Oh well I'll try to add that and see how it works out. |
| 22:15.53 | Philippe | I'll just keep trying until it is good enough to be accepted :-) |
| 22:19.09 | florian | with g_strsplit and g_strfreev it should be a matter of a few lines. |
| 22:22.28 | florian | hrm... the stupid bios of my libretto overwrites /dev/hda4 :-/ |
| 22:23.03 | Philippe | florian, ieewww.... must be some sort of suspend to disk thing. |
| 22:23.13 | reenoo | Philippe: you're using g_spawn_async() now, aren't you? |
| 22:23.51 | Philippe | no g_spawn_command_line() |
| 22:24.23 | Philippe | but thinking of it , g_spawn_async() had some search path thing... |
| 22:24.37 | reenoo | yah, try using that |
| 22:24.54 | florian | Philippe: it is.. |
| 22:25.40 | Philippe | ~hail devhelp |
| 22:25.41 | ibot | ACTION bows down to devhelp and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 22:26.26 | reenoo | Philippe: err, actually... just pass the command to g_spawn_command_line_async() |
| 22:26.41 | reenoo | "Unlike g_spawn_async(), the G_SPAWN_SEARCH_PATH flag is enabled" |
| 22:28.05 | reenoo | (i.e. just omit the prefix) |
| 22:28.29 | Philippe | reenoo, looking at my code it should not be too hard to try the different ones, as g_spawn_command_line_async() returns status. |
| 22:29.15 | Philippe | and lets add osb-browser as help viewer at the same time.... |
| 22:29.59 | reenoo | Philippe: well, if I understand the docs correctly, g_spawn_command_line_async() will search PATH for you. no need to worry about that. |
| 22:30.27 | reenoo | Philippe: just get rid of the absolute prefix and it should work |
| 23:14.29 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 23:54.25 | florian | good night |
