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| 00:54.04 | miraage | hi, I just loaded the unstable gpe jffs2 onto my ipaq h3955, and when it boots, all I get is the GPE 2.6 logo |
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| 02:11.34 | miraage | nevermind. it loaded |
| 02:11.46 | miraage | is the gpe package manager supposed to work? |
| 02:25.56 | miraage | also, is there a responsive mp3 player? gpe-nmf skips a little |
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| 02:45.42 | miraage | can i *not* run ESD? |
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| 06:59.44 | florian_hrz | good morning |
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| 07:12.47 | *** topic/#gpe is The GPE Palmtop Environment - http://gpe.handhelds.org/ | GPE Wiki: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPEProject | unstable images updated: http://handhelds.org/~pb/unstable/ | unstable feed now (sort of) working again | familiar snapshots: http://familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/ |
| 07:31.05 | rob_w-cgi | morning ibot |
| 07:31.26 | rob_w-cgi | ~ibot lart the morning for beeing so early |
| 07:34.06 | florian_hrz | hi rob_w-cgi |
| 07:42.18 | rob_w-cgi | hi sir |
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| 07:49.35 | koen | good morning all |
| 07:50.53 | florian_hrz | hey koen |
| 07:51.50 | florian_hrz | koen: that omap1 kernel depends on uboot... imho that's not a good idea. |
| 07:52.00 | koen | D'oh |
| 07:52.05 | koen | hey florian_hrz |
| 07:52.08 | florian_hrz | apart from the fact that uboot doesn't compile. |
| 07:56.13 | koen | florian_hrz: I removed the uboot dep |
| 07:56.51 | florian_hrz | koen: okay, thanks! |
| 07:57.19 | koen | do you know what bootloader it uses? |
| 07:58.37 | florian_hrz | It seems to have a new one... it supports flashing via usb :-) |
| 07:58.58 | koen | finally some speed :) |
| 08:00.34 | florian_hrz | yep... and it is very easy to use. |
| 08:04.32 | koen | florian_hrz: could you send me a dmesg or syslog output of the boot process? |
| 08:06.08 | florian_hrz | koen: that should be possible... i'll try this later today, need to have wireless access to it. |
| 08:06.15 | koen | ok |
| 08:06.48 | koen | bbl |
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| 08:31.17 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 08:31.50 | florian_hrz | hi jsmanrique |
| 08:32.37 | jsmanrique | florian_hrz: could gtk+webcore engine be used for a rss reader? |
| 08:34.28 | florian_hrz | jsmanrique: I don't know much about rss, but it looks like the browser engine supports quite some features. |
| 08:35.10 | jsmanrique | what about a rss feeds reader for GPE? like liferea I mean |
| 08:35.56 | florian_hrz | that would be something useful :-) |
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| 08:53.04 | jsmanrique | I have to leave |
| 08:53.06 | jsmanrique | see you later |
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| 09:33.14 | Hertog | koen: on a fresh gpe-image, Z7x0, kernel 2.6 I keep dropping back to the login screen. As root and as normal user. Any hints/pointers? |
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| 09:40.51 | reenoo | morning |
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| 09:59.27 | florian_hrz | hi reenoo, hi pb_ |
| 09:59.37 | pb_ | florian_hrz: good morning! |
| 10:00.10 | florian_hrz | Hertog: Check the .xsession-errors file in the users homedir. |
| 10:00.15 | reenoo | morning florian_hrz |
| 10:01.16 | Hertog | florian_hrz: did that ;) but nothing that I could make soup from. meaning: nothing I recognize enough to fix, wait a sec, I'll check again |
| 10:03.31 | XorA | Hertog: try uninstalling keylaucnher? |
| 10:05.48 | florian_hrz | koen: it's even worse... that omap kernel adds a deploy task which seems to fail. maybe this task should depent on a particular machine. |
| 10:07.54 | Hertog | XorA: removing keylaunch did the trick |
| 10:07.57 | Hertog | tnx |
| 10:09.05 | florian_hrz | ~lart keylaunch |
| 10:09.07 | XorA | Hertog: could you log a bug somewhere if its not already, Its not a problem Ive seen, but Ive heard rumours before |
| 10:09.34 | Hertog | File it on gpe or on oe? (or both of course :)) |
| 10:10.32 | XorA | no idea, on that one :-D |
| 10:12.01 | florian_hrz | bbl |
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| 10:22.05 | mallum | hey |
| 10:24.25 | XorA | hi mallum |
| 10:25.14 | mallum | hey XorA |
| 10:29.44 | koen | hey mallum |
| 10:30.05 | mallum | hey hey koen |
| 10:30.31 | koen | mallum: I think I saw you walking past the guadec cams yesterday |
| 10:31.09 | koen | you were with someone in a blue/white shirt? |
| 10:31.37 | mallum | hmm not sure |
| 10:31.43 | mallum | was with lots of people :/ |
| 10:31.50 | koen | heh |
| 10:31.53 | mallum | ross has some pics |
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| 10:32.11 | koen | at burtuonini.com? |
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| 10:32.43 | mallum | koen: one sec |
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| 10:37.04 | koen | hey florian_kc |
| 10:37.15 | florian_kc | re |
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| 11:36.27 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 11:36.30 | jsmanrique | mallum: hi! |
| 11:36.38 | mallum | hey jserv2 |
| 11:36.44 | mallum | hey jsmanrique too |
| 11:38.51 | reenoo | hi jsmanrique |
| 11:38.53 | reenoo | hey mallum |
| 11:39.50 | jsmanrique | reenoo: hi! |
| 11:39.59 | mallum | hey reenoo |
| 11:50.53 | koen | mallum: any sign of the pics yet :) |
| 12:07.57 | rob_w-cgi | hi mallum |
| 12:08.06 | rob_w-cgi | i have news about expose |
| 12:08.49 | mallum | rob_w-cgi: did you see my post on gpe list ? |
| 12:09.05 | rob_w-cgi | no , let me check |
| 12:11.15 | rob_w-cgi | well good, but the news is that expose is so slow as it has 3 big xpm images loading as background for the windows |
| 12:11.33 | rob_w-cgi | my removing them the theme speeds up about 60-70 % |
| 12:12.35 | rob_w-cgi | mallum check this http://handhelds.org/~gpe/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=themes-and-art&id=port_7204 this is a shot without the xpms loaded |
| 12:13.08 | rob_w-cgi | dont be offended by the name , i used expose-light as my testing name |
| 12:14.06 | mallum | rob_w-cgi: cool, thats much better :) |
| 12:14.51 | rob_w-cgi | so would u suggest to fork a new theme name like expose-light or change expose accordingly .. |
| 12:15.16 | rob_w-cgi | also some tweaks in hte gtkrc makes it more logicall and does save some png`s |
| 12:17.56 | mallum | by all means send me a patch and I'll add to upstream |
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| 12:22.34 | florian_kc | rob_w-cgi: that looks nice! |
| 12:33.37 | rob_w-cgi | mallum a patch against the matchbox-theme-extra-0.3.tar.gz ? |
| 12:34.38 | rob_w-cgi | florian_kc yep it is a nice theme, that s why i invested some time to figure out why it was sooo slow ,, now it is maybe still the slowest we have but it became much faster then before |
| 12:35.00 | florian_kc | cool... |
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| 12:36.31 | rob_w-cgi | mallum : ok anyway , i ll sent you a diff against the gtkrc of expose and you can figure out what you wanna do |
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| 12:56.58 | jsmanrique | I am in the net: http://www.emprendedorxxi.es/html/entrevista2.asp |
| 12:57.18 | jsmanrique | sorry it is Spansih, but it's me talking about how to use embedded devices in the classroom |
| 12:57.23 | jsmanrique | my mad startup idea :-D |
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| 13:37.42 | koen | mallum: do you have any documents describing the status of eds/e? |
| 13:39.10 | mallum | koen: no not really, ross can tell you |
| 13:39.19 | koen | ok |
| 13:39.24 | koen | and clutter? |
| 13:40.19 | mallum | koen: clutter can be checked out of o-hand svn - http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/clutter/trunk/ |
| 13:42.50 | mallum | koen: but it really really reall is just bad experimental prototype rough rough code atm |
| 13:43.22 | mallum | koen: and readme is empty |
| 13:43.53 | koen | I noticed |
| 13:47.24 | koen | florian_kc: any luck on the dmesg yet? |
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| 14:09.10 | florian_kc | re |
| 14:14.14 | koen | florian_kc: wb |
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| 14:35.35 | jserv2 | mallum: what's clutter for? |
| 14:35.47 | mallum | jserv2: experimenting atm |
| 14:36.16 | jserv2 | GL application?! |
| 14:36.29 | mallum | jserv2: a kind of GL/GL es based media toolkit thingy |
| 14:36.51 | koen | hey tigrux |
| 14:37.10 | jserv2 | mallum: great ! |
| 14:37.31 | tigrux | Hello master koen! |
| 14:37.40 | jsmanrique | tigrux: hola! |
| 14:37.57 | tigrux | jsmanrique: Saludos! |
| 14:39.38 | jserv2 | mallum: would you drive clutter with Mesa/Solo? |
| 14:40.52 | mallum | jserv2: yeah maybe in the future |
| 14:41.12 | jsmanrique | see you later |
| 14:50.40 | koen | florian_kc: your still a student, right? |
| 14:50.43 | koen | florian_kc: http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html |
| 14:51.36 | florian_kc | koen: yeah... i heared about it... |
| 15:04.44 | koen | florian_kc: wanna earn $4500 this summer? |
| 15:04.57 | koen | I have some ideas for gpe :) |
| 15:08.22 | florian_kc | koen: heh... i think i should submit an idea. Maybe a networking connectivity app for gpe or a new config framework. |
| 15:09.00 | koen | submit the wishlist wiki and/or nils' masterplan |
| 15:09.21 | florian_kc | hehe |
| 15:09.59 | florian_kc | that's too much for a summer... |
| 15:10.46 | koen | it's one item/summer/student |
| 15:11.08 | koen | if I understood it well |
| 15:11.42 | florian_kc | yep |
| 15:12.28 | koen | 1) new config framework |
| 15:12.41 | koen | 2) pervasive network app (ppp,bt, wifi) |
| 15:12.47 | koen | 3) hildon-fy gpe |
| 15:12.54 | koen | 4) document gpe |
| 15:12.56 | XorA | number 2 :-) |
| 15:13.21 | koen | 5) overhaul pim api + db abstraction |
| 15:14.41 | florian_kc | yeah.. i guess 2 would be th best for something like this. |
| 15:14.44 | koen | hmmm, now I just need to find 5 students :) |
| 15:14.57 | koen | ka-ching! |
| 15:20.12 | tommie | 01|17:12 < koen> 2) pervasive network app (ppp,bt, wifi) |
| 15:20.39 | tommie | Will it still use /etc/network/interfaces and ifup/ifdown? I'd appreciate not inventing the wheel again :-/ |
| 15:21.20 | koen | tommie: I think most of us are debian geeks |
| 15:21.29 | XorA | windows style roaming would be my no1 feature |
| 15:21.36 | florian_kc | tommie: yes... everything else would be nasty. |
| 15:21.45 | XorA | a nice simple SSID->WEP/WAP mapping |
| 15:21.51 | tommie | Nice :-) |
| 15:22.00 | tommie | florian_kc: I had some fear of the KDE synfrome |
| 15:22.03 | tommie | syndrome |
| 15:22.22 | tommie | XorA: You can do that with a mapping script already |
| 15:22.24 | koen | /Ketc/Knetwork/Kinterfaces? |
| 15:22.30 | koen | that kind of syndrom? |
| 15:22.39 | tommie | koen: Yes, exactly |
| 15:22.44 | XorA | tommie: not the scan->popup->simple click you cant |
| 15:22.52 | koen | or /root/.network/Settings <- opie syndrome |
| 15:23.01 | tommie | koen: weiiiird |
| 15:23.12 | tommie | koen: inventing the wheel again, painting it, and kalling it kwheel |
| 15:23.36 | XorA | tommie: if the wireless driver suport AP searching we should us it |
| 15:23.38 | tommie | and afterwards placing it on the passengers seat instead of the road |
| 15:23.44 | tommie | XorA: Sure |
| 15:23.58 | tommie | XorA: But the program should just operate /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:24.06 | tommie | or perhaps configure a generic scan script |
| 15:24.09 | koen | gnome just tears it apart and goes with libspoke, libaxel, libtire, etc |
| 15:24.12 | XorA | tommie: yes, it can create nice new entries |
| 15:24.42 | XorA | koen: with liboil and libgrease to fix the api mismatch |
| 15:24.57 | tommie | koen: and it all communicates not via pipes, but via some obscure intercar-pressure-communication-system |
| 15:25.06 | tommie | XorA: nice |
| 15:25.51 | tommie | It may not be essential on a PDA, but placing such functions into the GUI is so....not clean |
| 15:25.55 | XorA | nothing wrong with CORBA in theory, in practice its a hog |
| 15:26.09 | tommie | yeah |
| 15:26.16 | tommie | KISS has worked for centuries now |
| 15:26.41 | tommie | The joy of accessing superior programs via simple shell scripts |
| 15:26.45 | XorA | anyway time for the project meeting |
| 15:26.51 | tommie | Linux is like a box of Legos |
| 15:27.15 | tommie | CORBA&CO just introduced some kind of nuts and bolts never needed before |
| 15:27.25 | tommie | But that's not my opionion |
| 15:27.38 | tommie | hm, yes, my onion. |
| 15:32.00 | koen | I knida like the stuff they do with dbus |
| 15:32.15 | koen | kinda* |
| 15:34.19 | florian_kc | Yes... that might be very useful for all sort of hardware control and application interaction. |
| 15:34.38 | florian_kc | e.g. for networking setup and light control. |
| 15:37.36 | koen | florian_kc: could you do a dmesg before blowing up the 770 ;) |
| 15:38.28 | florian_kc | koen: no, but i can use another one. |
| 15:40.20 | koen | you have *multiple* 770s? |
| 15:42.02 | florian_kc | koen: no.. but we have more than one at kc and a development board. |
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| 15:49.57 | koen | j maemo |
| 15:50.07 | koen | D[D[D/j maemo |
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| 17:11.28 | koen | tigrux-food: do you have any news on gulev? |
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| 17:36.06 | florian_kc | hi DougT |
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| 18:05.34 | bedboi | hi there |
| 18:06.06 | florian_kc | hey bedboi |
| 18:06.14 | bedboi | hi florian_kc |
| 18:06.17 | bedboi | still sick |
| 18:06.28 | bedboi | and taking antibiotics |
| 18:06.47 | florian_kc | bedboi: :-( |
| 18:07.09 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 18:07.14 | koen | bedboi: get well soon |
| 18:09.04 | bedboi | koen: thanks :) |
| 18:09.11 | bedboi | well i worked too much last week |
| 18:09.40 | bedboi | i think this was the reaction of my body to heavy work load |
| 18:10.16 | bedboi | something similar: "<bedbois_body>you should work less" |
| 18:10.42 | bedboi | any new so far, btw? |
| 18:14.08 | florian_kc | not that much... ther was guadec :-) |
| 18:14.39 | koen | there were guadec streams |
| 18:14.46 | bedboi | who was there? |
| 18:15.39 | florian_kc | i was there, and nilsf and mallum and soem more. |
| 18:18.55 | bedboi | any photos? |
| 18:19.53 | koen | mallum said "one sec" a few hours ago when asked about pics |
| 18:20.08 | florian_kc | not much from my side... but i remember some people took hundereds of them. |
| 18:20.30 | koen | only hundreds? |
| 18:20.35 | koen | amateurs |
| 18:20.36 | bedboi | ehehe |
| 18:20.38 | bedboi | japanes ppl? |
| 18:20.40 | koen | ;) |
| 18:20.53 | koen | people with a new cam I guess |
| 18:21.09 | bedboi | eheheh, very much probably |
| 18:21.20 | bedboi | probable, either |
| 18:22.19 | bedboi | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.5440.png <- i want this theme |
| 18:22.48 | koen | that's expose-light |
| 18:23.12 | koen | bedboi: http://handhelds.org/~gpe/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=themes-and-art |
| 18:23.21 | bedboi | thanks |
| 18:23.37 | koen | ask rob_w about it |
| 18:24.08 | florian_kc | bbl |
| 18:24.54 | bedboi | is it usable? i mean it takes all the cpu? |
| 18:24.55 | bedboi | :) |
| 18:25.20 | florian_kc | bedboi: mostly ;-) |
| 18:25.27 | koen | expose (which should be installed by default) sucks up cpu |
| 18:25.35 | koen | expose light should be a lot faster |
| 18:27.55 | tigrux | koen: I only know it will be held in Aguacalientes and Coatzacoalcos. |
| 18:33.46 | koen | http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SummerOfCode <- hint |
| 18:44.21 | koen | tigrux: ok, as long as it's mexice it's fine by me :) |
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| 18:49.18 | koen | mexico even |
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| 19:15.12 | florian | re |
| 19:15.19 | koen | hey florian |
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| 19:20.20 | chrisime | mallum, huhu :D |
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| 19:23.37 | mimecar | hi |
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| 19:25.39 | florian | hi mimecar |
| 19:25.53 | mimecar | hi florian |
| 19:47.45 | mallum | hey chrisime :) |
| 19:50.02 | mallum | koen: did you do the summer of code page on wiki ? |
| 19:50.23 | koen | Erik Hovland started it, we tagteam with adding updates |
| 19:50.33 | koen | http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/RecentChanges |
| 19:50.44 | hrw | I hope that this will get use |
| 19:50.44 | mallum | koen: do you wanna add 2750 kernel which seems to be missing |
| 19:51.03 | koen | hx2000 is already there |
| 19:51.35 | mallum | koen: ah ok, damn hp model numbers |
| 19:51.37 | hrw | isn't hx2750 the one which RP take care of? linux-openzaurus_2.6* |
| 19:52.04 | koen | talk about misnomens |
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| 19:52.51 | reenoo | evening |
| 19:53.18 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 19:53.26 | chrisime | mallum, arrived at home :D |
| 19:53.44 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 19:53.49 | reenoo | yo koen |
| 19:53.51 | reenoo | hi chrisime |
| 19:53.58 | chrisime | hey reenoo |
| 19:54.02 | chrisime | lang nimmer gsehn ;D |
| 19:54.20 | reenoo | chrisime: ah, been a while. how are things? |
| 19:54.27 | chrisime | i am exhausted |
| 19:54.27 | koen | http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SummerOfCode <- shameless plug |
| 19:54.28 | mallum | hrw: yeah, but hes gonna take a break from it for a while |
| 19:54.32 | chrisime | guadec was busy |
| 19:54.42 | chrisime | i am glad it's over |
| 19:54.50 | chrisime | it rocked da house 'tho |
| 19:55.25 | hrw | mallum: aha |
| 19:56.18 | reenoo | chrisime: it definitely did, yeah :) |
| 19:57.17 | chrisime | reenoo, you were there? |
| 19:57.26 | chrisime | i hardly met anyone |
| 19:57.28 | chrisime | i was too busy |
| 19:57.36 | chrisime | i was always on the run |
| 19:58.03 | reenoo | chrisime: no, unfortunately not. but I watched a couple of live streams |
| 19:58.26 | chrisime | aaah |
| 19:58.28 | chrisime | linuxtag? |
| 19:59.13 | reenoo | chrisime: not this year. pretty busy with university, work, etc. :/ |
| 19:59.42 | chrisime | geeeez |
| 19:59.46 | chrisime | i know |
| 19:59.50 | chrisime | that's shitty |
| 20:00.03 | chrisime | i have to be there |
| 20:00.09 | chrisime | after 2 years of not being there |
| 20:00.18 | chrisime | i don't like LT anymore that much |
| 20:00.53 | mallum | chrisime: yeah GUADEC was really really good |
| 20:01.13 | koen | yeah, rub it in |
| 20:01.23 | chrisime | mallum, the local helpers were one of those who helped to make it a rocking conf |
| 20:01.24 | mallum | chrisime: sorry if I ever seemed a little distant, was pretty tired and hung over + running around |
| 20:01.29 | chrisime | i hope everyone thanked them |
| 20:01.36 | mallum | chrisime: indeed |
| 20:01.41 | chrisime | mallum, np, i was tired too |
| 20:01.44 | chrisime | i hardly slept |
| 20:01.44 | mallum | koen: :/ |
| 20:02.32 | koen | mallum: just kidding :) |
| 20:02.50 | mallum | koen: next year |
| 20:02.57 | koen | I certainly hope so |
| 20:03.06 | reenoo | chrisime: fwiw, I will be at the Oldenburg linux kernel developers' meeting in september. (not that I'm a kernel hacker, but I like the atmosphere there) |
| 20:03.07 | mallum | koen: oh may even manage to sort out T-shirts for that one too |
| 20:03.19 | koen | oooh, o-hand shirts |
| 20:03.22 | chrisime | oldenburg is quite far away |
| 20:03.45 | reenoo | chrisime: so are karlsruhe or stuttgart for me ;) |
| 20:04.06 | chrisime | mallum, how |
| 20:04.41 | koen | putting a closedhand on it? |
| 20:04.51 | chrisime | hehe |
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| 20:06.10 | chrisime | geeeez, i need a nokia device soon ;) |
| 20:06.18 | koen | who doesn't? |
| 20:06.20 | chrisime | they are buggy, should be fun fixing it |
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| 20:13.52 | Philippe | evening guys |
| 20:14.00 | koen | hey Philippe |
| 20:14.15 | koen | rob_w: bedboi likes your theme very much |
| 20:14.58 | Philippe | lots of Guadec gossip I see in the backlog |
| 20:15.53 | Philippe | Anything about Nokia giving those developer discounts for GPE dev's? |
| 20:16.19 | koen | haven't heard anything about that |
| 20:17.12 | Philippe | well we will have to try individually. Unless mallum or florian know more.... |
| 20:19.46 | koen | they should wield their influence :) |
| 20:25.26 | reenoo | hrm |
| 20:25.33 | reenoo | ~lart p.g.o |
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| 20:26.03 | koen | saves me from getting annoyed by talking heads |
| 20:26.06 | koen | hey pb__ |
| 20:26.09 | Philippe | what is p.g.o reenoo ? |
| 20:26.27 | pb__ | hi all |
| 20:26.52 | koen | planet.gnome.org |
| 20:27.02 | reenoo | koen: I wouldn't mind if it was just that. it's entirely broken in gecko based browsers on my desktop |
| 20:27.10 | reenoo | horribly broken |
| 20:27.16 | reenoo | hey pb__ |
| 20:27.16 | koen | it works in safari |
| 20:27.20 | koen | (webcore) |
| 20:28.21 | reenoo | remember... portage blew up on me... I can't install/upgrade *anything* |
| 20:28.41 | reenoo | not without a manual 'make install' anyway |
| 20:28.48 | koen | that's what you get for gentoo |
| 20:28.50 | pb__ | hi reenoo |
| 20:30.02 | Philippe | hey pb_ |
| 20:34.29 | pb_ | hi Philippe |
| 20:35.44 | Philippe | pb_, can you put my patch (the latest one) into cvs? Until I get my own account sorted out. |
| 20:36.01 | Philippe | Sorry for "spamming" your mailbox btw the last few days. |
| 20:37.37 | pb_ | Philippe: I had a couple of remaining concerns. I'll send you a mail. |
| 20:39.23 | Philippe | pb_, okay fine. It probabely needs some more work anyway. I just don't feel like starting on putting help in the other gpe apps if the base framework is not in place. |
| 20:46.13 | hrw | koen: have 'alien vs predator' on list? |
| 20:46.22 | koen | (anything with kurt russel)\{stargate} |
| 20:46.31 | koen | hrw: haven't seen that one yet |
| 20:46.42 | hrw | koen: add it to the list |
| 20:46.48 | koen | heh |
| 20:46.59 | hrw | on my list are each movies with chuck norris |
| 20:47.16 | koen | yes |
| 20:51.05 | pb_ | koen: heh, amusingly enough I just noticed that "Backdraft" is on TV here this evening. |
| 20:51.19 | pb_ | however, it's on channel 3, which is usually a strong indication that it probably isn't worth watching. |
| 20:51.38 | koen | :) |
| 20:51.46 | hrw | I have chuck norris movie on Polsat |
| 20:51.53 | pb_ | Philippe: I sent you mail |
| 20:54.09 | Philippe | pb_, ok got it. thanks for the comments |
| 20:55.20 | Philippe | pb_, It looks to me as though the strings "command", "helpfile", and/or |
| 20:55.20 | Philippe | "helpadress" on every call. Is that right? |
| 20:55.35 | Philippe | What do you mean with this....I am missing a word somewhere. |
| 20:56.08 | pb_ | Philippe: oh, er, sorry. I meant to say "... are leaked on every call" |
| 20:57.16 | Philippe | ok...now I know what the g_free calls of Florian were doing... |
| 20:58.22 | Philippe | I am still trying to find out which things I have to be on the look-out for in GTK. You're comments are really helpfull thanks. |
| 20:58.34 | rob_w | koen: i wouldnt call it "my theme" |
| 21:03.15 | florian | re |
| 21:03.22 | koen | hey florian |
| 21:03.49 | florian | Philippe: i guess beeing gpe developer is a good reason to get one :-) |
| 21:04.22 | Philippe | hi florian :-) |
| 21:05.09 | Philippe | florian, Well it also seems I need lots of "on the job" training as GPE dev...that is also a good excuse :-) |
| 21:05.26 | florian | Philippe: yeah |
| 21:06.40 | florian | I wonder if we can make the GtkWebcore stuff render for smaller screens. I tried the browser on a 770 two days ago and it looked really good. |
| 21:07.10 | reenoo | it does render for smaller screens already |
| 21:07.16 | koen | --slim iirc |
| 21:07.42 | Philippe | I was just trying to find where it parses the urls. It is a bit annoying to type the http:// each time... |
| 21:07.51 | florian | hmm... then we should start a webcore browser frontend project. |
| 21:08.03 | reenoo | florian: it just doesn't go as far as breaking website layouts as minimo does though |
| 21:08.28 | reenoo | florian: which is a good thing IMO |
| 21:08.40 | florian | sometimes yes... |
| 21:09.11 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 21:09.35 | florian | I guess it would be a good replacement for dillo... the engine is the main part of the binary size and we could use it for all sorts of browsers: |
| 21:09.42 | florian | - web |
| 21:09.46 | florian | - help |
| 21:09.51 | florian | - email |
| 21:10.09 | koen | http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SummerOfCode <- add it there :) |
| 21:10.16 | florian | pb_: hi... we missed you at guadec :-( |
| 21:10.46 | pb_ | florian: yeah, it was too bad that I was not able to go |
| 21:12.21 | florian | it was really nice this time... |
| 21:12.47 | florian | mallum: but you looked like you got didn't get much sleep in germany ;-) |
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| 21:13.49 | rocketman327 | hi |
| 21:14.16 | florian | the maemo connection manager is a nice tool... but i guess i can make somethign like this a little bit nicer for gpe :-) |
| 21:14.22 | florian | hi rocketman327 |
| 21:14.36 | rocketman327 | so my base install of gpe takes up 98% of my internal flash but I've got an external flash card, can I get it to install packages there? |
| 21:15.09 | rob_w | koen : i ve a candidate app for this "summer thing " |
| 21:15.27 | koen | add it to the wiki |
| 21:15.44 | rob_w | though i am no student i would like to use that to bring me more to the "code" |
| 21:17.50 | mallum | florian: I didn't :/ |
| 21:18.05 | florian | mallum: what happened? |
| 21:20.17 | mallum | florian: I had to leave UK really early in the morning which had an ongoing effect |
| 21:20.34 | florian | pb_: Hey don't discourage Philippe ;-) Your answer reminds me of your answer to my first patch i sent to you ;-) |
| 21:20.57 | florian | I guess i learned a little bit in the meantime :-) |
| 21:21.15 | florian | mallum: i know the effect... nilsf suffers from it too. |
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| 21:23.28 | Philippe | florian, don't worry. I find pb's comments very useful :-) |
| 21:24.19 | florian | Philippe: just joking... :-) I really appreciate it :-) |
| 21:24.52 | Philippe | as we are talking about it. Do I always need to call g_free? Because in your fork and exec story you would only free them if no process was spawned. |
| 21:25.38 | florian | hmm yes, that would be a bug |
| 21:26.27 | Philippe | so always free? |
| 21:27.00 | florian | yep |
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| 21:28.17 | Philippe | done changing that... Now back to testing... |
| 21:29.07 | pb_ | florian: heh |
| 21:30.00 | florian | *g* |
| 21:30.39 | rob_w | how long does scap hold the images |
| 21:30.46 | koen | rob_w: 1 or two days |
| 21:31.16 | florian | I have to get rid of all the stuff laying around here, write a letter, do my taxes stuff and try to make a mips64 kernel work. |
| 21:32.02 | florian | I want to introduce a settings and configuration framework in GPE, write a connection tool and finifsh some documentation. |
| 21:32.26 | florian | Now i wonder if i should start a browser project. |
| 21:32.38 | florian | Did i mention that i get married in one month? |
| 21:32.45 | florian | *gnaa* |
| 21:32.52 | rob_w | florian: my brother , too |
| 21:33.32 | koen | florian: so no more computertime for you after this month? |
| 21:33.33 | mallum | florian: congrats :) |
| 21:33.49 | koen | florian: do you have an exact date? |
| 21:34.00 | florian | I forgot that i should finfish my studies some time and carve some more shelves... |
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| 21:34.54 | koen | switch to 36 hour days |
| 21:34.59 | koen | 50% more time :) |
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| 21:35.19 | florian | koen: heh, so... it is the same woman i all the time and i know her longer than gpe exists ;-) |
| 21:36.24 | florian | koen: The official date is july the 1st, church and party is on july the 9. |
| 21:39.28 | florian | Philippe: btw... is that your Netbook which sent its framebuffer to scap? ;-) |
| 21:39.47 | florian | hmm... maybe i should add it to my calendar too ;-) |
| 21:39.56 | koen | Philippe: you need to poke nelson about the nb + scap |
| 21:40.52 | florian | yep... send him a fb dump and /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:43.27 | koen | got shot down by the clone troops of the empire? |
| 21:43.55 | hrw | does gpe have some method to change keymaps? |
| 21:44.21 | Philippe | florian, indeed. it messed up a bit the scao |
| 21:44.27 | koen | xmodmap or the configpanel thingie |
| 21:44.29 | hrw | for example: RShift+a -> ± |
| 21:44.41 | hrw | koen: thx |
| 21:45.05 | hrw | I'm getting sick trying to l10n keyboard under opie |
| 21:45.30 | florian | Philippe: yeah... it doesn't know what to do with all this data. |
| 21:45.32 | pb_ | florian: oh, congratulations |
| 21:45.48 | florian | pb_: thanks |
| 21:46.00 | pb_ | regarding scap, I think the netbook framebuffer is the same as the simpad, so it should be easy for scap to handle |
| 21:46.05 | koen | hrw: although the move to OE seem to have broken i10n |
| 21:46.50 | florian | hell yes... |
| 21:48.05 | reenoo | florian: congrats! |
| 21:48.13 | florian | reenoo: thanks :-) |
| 21:48.37 | reenoo | koen: in what way? I think there are no meta packages, but broken? |
| 21:49.26 | koen | reenoo: I haven't seen "it works after doing <foo>" mails |
| 21:49.41 | koen | but I haven't really looked at it yet |
| 21:50.21 | pb_ | reenoo: the files that gpe-login uses are all missing, which makes it difficult to select a locale |
| 21:50.39 | koen | pb_: OT: arm9226ejs, how much "marketing" is the java-acceleration? |
| 21:50.56 | pb_ | also, there is a problem with the locale-base packages: localedef often runs out of memory |
| 21:51.21 | florian | ah right... i noticed this too today. |
| 21:51.37 | Hertog | like this?: Jan 1 00:03:50 c7x0 user.warn kernel: oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x1d2 |
| 21:52.05 | pb_ | koen: I'm not sure what you're asking. |
| 21:52.36 | florian | Hertog: that looks familiar... yes. |
| 21:52.41 | koen | what does "java accell" boil down to? extra instructions or someting? |
| 21:52.56 | pb_ | there is an additional CPU mode which allows it to execute java bytecode. |
| 21:52.58 | Hertog | florian: familiar... hehehe |
| 21:53.20 | koen | pb_: ok |
| 21:53.30 | reenoo | pb_: oh. what exactly does localedef do? can we do that at packaging time by any chance? |
| 21:53.58 | florian | :-) |
| 21:54.15 | koen | pb_: I ran accross it while poking at nokia770.conf today |
| 21:54.23 | pb_ | koen: see http://www.arm.com/pdfs/JazelleWhitePaper.pdf for example |
| 21:54.51 | florian | oh... a cpu for java bytecode |
| 21:55.39 | pb_ | reenoo: it generates the binary locale definitions from the textual source code. The trouble is that, in recent versions of glibc, the locales are all stored in one big file, so it's hard to generate them offline if you want to be able to install them separately. |
| 21:55.57 | koen | I was blown away with sparc + solaris + java when I last tried it |
| 21:56.15 | pb_ | reenoo: it would probably be possible to do the heavy lifting offline, and provide a simple tool that just knows how to insert the bits into the archive, but someone would have to write that. |
| 21:59.05 | pb_ | florian: yeah, indeed. It isn't a full Java implementation in silicon: the hardware can only process the simpler and more common bytecode instructions, and it needs to be supported by a JVM. But it does provide a worthwhile speedup. |
| 22:00.12 | reenoo | pb_: I see :/ |
| 22:00.22 | florian | pb_: but even for the simpler instructions this must be an interesting piece of silicon.. |
| 22:01.20 | florian | pb_: is there any open jvm which is able to use it? |
| 22:01.45 | florian | i just saw that the cpu in the 770 seems to ba able to use it. |
| 22:02.40 | pb_ | I'm not sure what the situation is with software support for Jazelle. I can try to find out, though. |
| 22:02.54 | koen | florian: yep, that's the J in arm926ejs |
| 22:03.35 | koen | iirc the s is for security |
| 22:03.49 | pb_ | no, the S is for "soft core". There's no security in arm926. |
| 22:04.09 | koen | ah, that's probably an omap thing |
| 22:04.19 | pb_ | the security stuff is Z, for TrustZone. |
| 22:04.20 | florian | no security? - that makes it a sympatic thing :-) |
| 22:04.36 | koen | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=11991&path=templatedata/cm/product/data/omap_1710 |
| 22:04.40 | pb_ | florian: heh. well, no _extra_ security. |
| 22:04.46 | florian | *g* |
| 22:05.04 | koen | that has some blurb about hw encryption |
| 22:05.22 | reenoo | florian: I bet one of the two billion kaffe ports out there supports it ;) |
| 22:05.31 | reenoo | s/ports/forks/ |
| 22:05.36 | florian | oops |
| 22:05.40 | florian | ~lart java |
| 22:06.16 | pb_ | koen: yah, that's crypto rather than security. |
| 22:07.09 | koen | "Secure bootloader" <- sounds nasty |
| 22:08.21 | pb_ | florian: you'd also need some kernel support to use Jazelle, and I don't know how well established that is in Linux. |
| 22:08.40 | pb_ | I guess there must be people using it, but maybe they have proprietary patches. |
| 22:08.47 | reenoo | florian: that's not a bad thing actually. especially since dalibor is doing a great job at merging things back in. |
| 22:09.19 | florian | pb_: ah okay... right, it is not that important to me, i like C :-) |
| 22:09.28 | pb_ | florian: heh |
| 22:09.28 | rob_w | Trivia : How is a applications name which can do gsm voice phone calls for GPE ? :-) suggestions ? |
| 22:09.42 | reenoo | florian: kangaroo (j2me) is to be merged in for example |
| 22:09.44 | hrw | minisip? |
| 22:10.01 | pb_ | florian: you weren't convinced to use C# by your visit to guadec, then? |
| 22:10.09 | pb_ | hrw: I don't think minisip can do GSM |
| 22:10.13 | florian | reenoo: j2me sounds interesting |
| 22:11.34 | hrw | oops.. have to go sleep |
| 22:12.27 | reenoo | florian: http://www.sigs.de/publications/js/2003/systems/kleine-budde_JS_systems_03.pdf |
| 22:14.40 | hrw | cu |
| 22:14.59 | reenoo | 'night hrw|gone |
| 22:15.11 | reenoo | good call actually |
| 22:15.13 | florian | uh german |
| 22:15.21 | koen | mmmm, sleep |
| 22:15.23 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 22:15.28 | florian | reenoo: that looks pretty interesting |
| 22:15.34 | koen | 'night all |
| 22:15.47 | florian | koen|sleep: good night |
| 22:15.51 | florian | reenoo: good night |
| 22:16.24 | rob_w | no suggestion here ?? ohh |
| 22:16.32 | rob_w | i "ordered" my lend gsm cf card so i can start coding these types into |
| 22:17.39 | rob_w | hmm ok one last game then i sleep |
| 22:17.42 | florian | rob_w: gpe-gsm? :-) that sounds dangerous |
| 22:17.57 | rob_w | specially the sm part , right |
| 22:18.26 | rocketman327 | so hi again |
| 22:18.34 | rob_w | my best be now is gomunicator |
| 22:18.42 | rob_w | s/be/bet |
| 22:19.15 | florian | :-) |
| 22:20.31 | rob_w | how about : intercom ? |
| 22:20.46 | rocketman327 | so any idea how to get it to install the packages on a flash card? |
| 22:21.09 | rob_w | nah , too general |
| 22:21.33 | florian | rocketman327: |
| 22:21.36 | florian | gnaa |
| 22:21.54 | rocketman327 | florian: gnaa? |
| 22:22.24 | florian | rocketman327: yes... you can make ipkg install applications to it and use ipkg-link to create the necessary links to your main filesystem. |
| 22:22.32 | rob_w | rocketman327: in /etc/ipk.conf a different destination but not /media better /mnt and then install with -d DEST and then use ipkg-link add THEAPP |
| 22:22.56 | rob_w | works out pretty cool |
| 22:23.01 | rocketman327 | ok cool, thanks |
| 22:23.21 | rob_w | there is a wiki somewhere i also used |
| 22:23.23 | rocketman327 | cause I only have 282bytes left on my internal flash which isn't cool |
| 22:23.40 | rocketman327 | *KB |
| 22:23.51 | rob_w | hehe but dont forget the card as often as i do |
| 22:24.00 | rocketman327 | its always in... |
| 22:24.32 | rob_w | of course you will need a non fat filesystem |
| 22:24.55 | rocketman327 | uhhhh damn |
| 22:25.17 | rob_w | but that is only for library`s i think |
| 22:25.37 | rocketman327 | well I only have mksf.minix, can I use that? |
| 22:26.33 | rob_w | i dont know know how suitable minix is , i use ext2 for now but maybe this isnt also the best choice |
| 22:27.06 | rob_w | that reminds me to do a backup of my card |
| 22:27.13 | pb_ | I think ext2 is probably about as good as it gets. |
| 22:27.18 | rocketman327 | I would but I can't install the packages to do ext2 |
| 22:28.07 | pb_ | Minix has severe limitations on things like filename lengths. I don't think it will really cut the mustard on a modern system. |
| 22:28.19 | rob_w | rocketman327: do it outside of the pda, free your pda space and then get the filesystem tools |
| 22:29.02 | rob_w | hmm and things like reiserfs cuts off too much space , in my taste |
| 22:29.07 | rocketman327 | rob_w: how would I do it outside my pda? and what can I do to free up my pda? |
| 22:30.12 | rob_w | well format the card in a linux pc , as the ext2 driver is already provided , ... or did needed to install that ? dont remeber |
| 22:30.55 | rocketman327 | hmmmm... I wonder if I got a cf card reader around here... |
| 22:31.31 | rob_w | well if not then you need to gain some space to get the tools onto the pda |
| 22:32.53 | rocketman327 | yea, i've only installed the base gpe root image... any ideas of what I can get rid of to free up some space? |
| 22:33.09 | rob_w | h36xx ? |
| 22:33.12 | rocketman327 | yea |
| 22:33.48 | rob_w | wait |
| 22:35.09 | rob_w | http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/FamiliarSlimDownHowto?action=highlight&value=space |
| 22:36.23 | rocketman327 | cool, thanks |
| 22:36.39 | rob_w | ur welcome |
| 22:37.22 | pb_ | night night |
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| 23:00.46 | Philippe | goodnight all |
| 23:01.32 | florian | Philippe: good night |
| 23:03.14 | rob_w | night also here ,, florian |
| 23:03.18 | rob_w | cu |
| 23:03.56 | miraage | florian: hi? |
| 23:04.22 | florian | miraage: hi! |
| 23:04.49 | miraage | so i just got familiar+gpe-0.8.2 on my ipaq, but now im trying to trim it down by getting rid of things i dont need. i got rid of minimo but now i can't get rid of vlc-gpe (ipkg remove vlc-gpe does nothing) |
| 23:05.35 | florian | hmmm thats strange, that might be a bug in the package or ipkg. |
| 23:06.12 | miraage | maybe, but its also not working for another package |
| 23:06.32 | florian | miraage: you can try to make ipkg more verbose to check what is going wrong. |
| 23:06.33 | miraage | there was a note of this in the release notes, but it claims to have been fixed in a new version of ipkg (which i have already updated to) |
| 23:07.27 | miraage | ill check it out, thanks |
| 23:07.40 | florian | if someone reminds me i can try to reproduce this on an fresh installed ipaq tomorrow. |
| 23:08.15 | miraage | ah, i see. |
| 23:08.26 | miraage | vlc-gpe depends on vlc-gpe-locale-fr and vice versa |
| 23:09.07 | miraage | ill try with -recursive |
| 23:12.01 | miraage | worked... strange, seems to be the same for linphone-hh |
| 23:25.24 | rocketman327 | whats the base feed where I can find packages like ext2-modules |
| 23:27.28 | florian | imho base |
| 23:27.38 | florian | eh bed |
| 23:27.49 | florian | good night |
| 23:29.22 | miraage | night |
| 23:29.28 | miraage | bah |
| 23:41.09 | rocketman327 | how do I put a new feed into ipkg.conf? |
| 23:42.14 | miraage | look at the way existing feeds are defined |
| 23:42.19 | rocketman327 | there aren't any |
| 23:42.42 | rocketman327 | I screwed the ipkg.conf file up |
| 23:57.48 | rocketman327 | actually I did more than screw it up... I erased it :( damn |
