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| 07:17.57 | rob_w-cgi | morning |
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| 07:32.49 | koen | good morning all |
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| 07:36.27 | jsmanrique | hi |
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| 07:38.48 | jsmanrique | is someone seeing guadec streamings? |
| 07:46.26 | jsmanrique | koen: I can't see the streams |
| 07:46.46 | jsmanrique | koen: I've tried vlc in macosx, and vlc and totem in Linux :( |
| 07:47.02 | koen | they seems broken too over here |
| 07:47.44 | jsmanrique | access_mms error: cannot connect to stream.fluendo.com:8900 |
| 07:48.00 | jsmanrique | :'( |
| 07:48.22 | koen | jsmanrique: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/blog/pyblosxom.cgi/Handhelds/maemo-z.html |
| 07:50.36 | jsmanrique | koen: yes, I've seen the screenshots yesterday |
| 07:58.05 | koen | jsmanrique: I see Mr Shuttlesworth now |
| 08:00.28 | jsmanrique | koen: ok, I 'll try |
| 08:01.20 | jsmanrique | yes |
| 08:10.48 | koen | that ubuntu rosetta thing looks pretty neat for translater |
| 08:10.50 | koen | s |
| 08:13.10 | koen | "merge.... merge .... merge...merge...." |
| 08:18.40 | jsmanrique | yes, yes, yes |
| 08:19.09 | jsmanrique | clap,clap,clap |
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| 09:19.17 | rob_w-cgi | on what 2.6 version do we run in a way ? |
| 09:19.33 | koen | ? |
| 09:20.45 | rob_w-cgi | got it .. 2.6.8 .. that was what i wanted |
| 09:21.05 | rob_w-cgi | so that leaves only one iscsi software left |
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| 09:30.10 | jsmanrique | would gpe-contacts works with n770 email contacts app |
| 09:30.12 | jsmanrique | ?? |
| 09:30.31 | jsmanrique | at least they should share data |
| 09:35.26 | koen | does the 770 have a contacts app? |
| 09:39.27 | koen | last I heard the 770 doesn't have PIM |
| 09:39.41 | koen | we need to convince nokia to ship the gpe pim |
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| 09:43.54 | koen | good morning pb_ |
| 09:44.04 | koen | still having fun with the s3c2410? |
| 09:44.24 | pb_ | hi koen |
| 09:44.39 | pb_ | I guess. I'm not at work today, though. |
| 09:45.05 | koen | enjoying some time off? |
| 09:45.40 | pb_ | It's a public holiday in the UK today. |
| 09:45.47 | koen | I see |
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| 10:20.48 | mallum | hey koen |
| 10:27.25 | koen | hey mallum |
| 10:29.13 | koen | mallum: how's guadec treating you? |
| 10:30.58 | jsmanrique | mallum: hi!! |
| 10:31.17 | jsmanrique | mallum: I am wathcing the streamings |
| 10:31.20 | mallum | Ok, bit tired |
| 10:31.27 | mallum | and hot |
| 10:31.39 | jsmanrique | mallum: too much hot spots? :-D |
| 10:31.41 | mallum | Im sitting here watching a stream too :/ |
| 10:31.51 | koen | loose the beard too cool off a bit |
| 10:31.53 | jsmanrique | lighting talks? |
| 10:31.53 | koen | ;) |
| 10:32.41 | jsmanrique | it seems they have problems with projectors and resolution |
| 10:33.04 | mallum | koen, I trimmed my beard dow pretty short |
| 10:34.07 | jsmanrique | S5 looks nice if it doesn't kill firefox in my ibook |
| 10:39.03 | koen | mallum: do you know in what room Topaz is going to be? |
| 10:40.52 | mallum | koen, no, when I find out I will let you know |
| 10:41.56 | koen | thanks |
| 10:42.17 | koen | eeps! |
| 10:42.36 | koen | IT'S TOO LOUD |
| 10:44.30 | pb_ | ibot, botmail for reenoo: kernel hh40 is tagged, and should build again for ipaqsa; maybe you'd like to try it out. |
| 10:44.47 | rob_w-cgi | can you guys tell me more about running 2.6 on 3970 .. does it have problems ? |
| 10:45.03 | pb_ | it has some missing drivers, but other than that it should be ok. |
| 10:45.08 | koen | rob_w-cgi: try asking ginst in #handhelds.org |
| 10:45.18 | koen | he tested 2.6 on h39xx |
| 10:45.22 | rob_w-cgi | i would want to upgrade as i am playing with iscsi and all are only working on recent 2.6 |
| 10:45.28 | rob_w-cgi | k cool |
| 10:46.20 | rob_w-cgi | looks that gints is in greece |
| 10:46.50 | pb_ | heh |
| 10:46.52 | pb_ | it seems |
| 10:47.51 | koen | funny how you can pick a dutch person just by listening to his/hers english |
| 10:48.36 | rob_w-cgi | oh that is easy and it apply`s even for india and asia .. for me , maybe pb will now all of them :-) |
| 10:49.19 | rob_w-cgi | when i was in the usa i asked my collegue how the german one sounds , but he couldnt precise it . But it is there he said ! |
| 11:01.26 | rob_w-cgi | pb_ is that u ? http://linux.gda.pl/Jesien_Linuksowa_2003/pb2_43.html |
| 11:03.21 | rob_w-cgi | question : what happens when i do have packages install via -d card and now i will run a ipkg upgrade , will it upgrade also these packages and also back on -d card ? |
| 11:03.30 | koen | rob_w-cgi: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/Gallery/bordeaux-stad2004/IMG_5888 <- pb |
| 11:04.48 | rob_w-cgi | ah thnx , it is always funny to see faces to the nicks on irc |
| 11:05.23 | koen | rob_w-cgi: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/Gallery/fosdem05/IMG_8361 |
| 11:05.35 | koen | luc + florian are standing and pb + nilfs are on stage |
| 11:06.09 | koen | the person with the "staff" tshirt in front is Philippe |
| 11:06.41 | rob_w-cgi | which one is florian , right or left ? |
| 11:06.54 | koen | right |
| 11:07.00 | koen | luc has the blue sweater |
| 11:07.14 | rob_w-cgi | cool , hehe |
| 11:07.27 | rob_w-cgi | nilfs i once met in real live actually |
| 11:09.51 | koen|lunch | there might be a small bit of mickeyl in that second picture too |
| 11:10.25 | rob_w-cgi | i am just looking and this on the big resolution |
| 11:14.20 | mickeyl | heh |
| 11:14.30 | mickeyl | ya, i came in that session a bit late |
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| 11:17.27 | reenoo | afternoon |
| 11:17.35 | hrw|work | hi Rene |
| 11:17.50 | reenoo | hey Marcin |
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| 12:52.28 | reenoo | hey florian |
| 12:52.34 | florian | hi all |
| 12:52.47 | pb_ | florian: hello! |
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| 12:53.05 | reenoo | hi pb_ |
| 12:53.30 | reenoo | pb_: thanks for your botmail. I'll give -hh40 a try once I'm back home |
| 12:53.37 | pb_ | rob_w-cgi: no, that isn't me |
| 12:53.48 | pb_ | reenoo: okay, great |
| 12:54.08 | koen|lunch | hey florian |
| 12:55.14 | florian | greetings from guadec :-) |
| 12:56.15 | koen | greetings from Enschede :) |
| 12:56.41 | florian | hehe |
| 12:56.47 | koen | florian: having fun at guadec? |
| 12:57.33 | florian | koen: yes inded... we just decided to take a little rest hacking a little bit. |
| 12:57.33 | koen | gpe needs to own 10% of the pda market in 2010 |
| 12:58.11 | florian | Ah i guess that's part of the plan for total world domination? ;-) |
| 12:58.20 | koen | :) |
| 12:58.40 | koen | florian: did you get my numerous emails I spammed at you and nils the last few days? |
| 12:59.22 | rob_w-cgi | koen : hhehehe .... ".. and what are we going to do tommorrow , Brain ? .. That what we do every day ..! " |
| 12:59.31 | koen | take over the world! |
| 12:59.33 | rob_w-cgi | Pinky and the brain brain brain |
| 13:01.12 | rob_w-cgi | i just looked at some more themes .. maybe i can have some ipkgs ready soon and feed them to mallum |
| 13:01.28 | koen | cool |
| 13:02.11 | koen | florian: is luc @guadec too ? |
| 13:02.31 | rob_w-cgi | yeah i was some dissapointed by expose to be soo slow , so i found another one which isnt so heavy of pixmaps .. |
| 13:07.47 | jsmanrique | who is in 6uadec? |
| 13:08.00 | jsmanrique | shake your hands! |
| 13:08.05 | florian | koen: I read the one about the bug, thanks.. that's fixed now. |
| 13:08.15 | jsmanrique | I am seeing König now |
| 13:08.52 | florian | koen: yes... but i havn't seen him so far today. |
| 13:09.13 | koen | say hi to him for me if you run into him |
| 13:09.47 | florian | koen: okay |
| 13:09.53 | jsmanrique | florian: are you there? |
| 13:10.05 | florian | jsmanrique: yes |
| 13:11.03 | jsmanrique | florian: nice |
| 13:11.11 | jsmanrique | florian: how n770 looks like? ;-) |
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| 13:29.38 | florian | jsmanrique: pretty cool |
| 13:30.11 | koen | florian: did you win one? |
| 13:31.06 | florian | koen: no... but even if you won it you'll get the final device as soon as it is available. |
| 13:31.13 | florian | i have a prototype |
| 13:31.31 | jsmanrique | florian: cool |
| 13:31.41 | jsmanrique | florian: take some photos and publish them :-D |
| 13:34.05 | florian | heh |
| 13:35.09 | koen | jsmanrique: http://www.mobileburn.com/gallery.jsp?Id=1381 :) |
| 13:36.28 | florian | ~hail reenoo for the good oe integration of gtk-webcore |
| 13:36.30 | ibot | ACTION bows down to reenoo for the good oe integration of gtk-webcore and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 13:37.02 | koen | ahhh |
| 13:37.06 | koen | my buildbox is up again |
| 13:37.56 | jsmanrique | florian: I've seen them |
| 13:39.49 | florian | jsmanrique: what? |
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| 13:43.00 | jsmanrique | florian: I've seen mobilerun photos the other day |
| 13:45.08 | koen | LOL |
| 13:45.11 | koen | "They have these things, called Biergartens, that are literally gardens of beer." |
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| 13:47.17 | florian | jsmanrique: ah |
| 13:47.17 | florian | koen: :-) |
| 13:48.51 | koen | florian: have you encountered the openedhand gang yet? |
| 13:49.14 | florian | koen: yeah... mallum is easy to identify ;-) |
| 13:52.04 | florian | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.13413.png |
| 13:52.33 | koen | is that with a little hildon love? |
| 13:52.52 | jsmanrique | florian: cool |
| 13:53.17 | jsmanrique | florian: telepolis-flower? |
| 13:53.32 | koen | florian: who do I have to blackmail to get gpe into the 770/fund gpe devs? |
| 13:53.37 | florian | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.13793.png |
| 13:53.48 | florian | Telepolis rocks :-) |
| 13:54.01 | jsmanrique | florian: I see |
| 13:54.25 | florian | koen: I'll try to find out... |
| 13:55.10 | koen | All gpe devs should get a nokie 770 + n90, donated by nokia :) |
| 13:55.20 | florian | *gg* |
| 13:55.20 | koen | s/nokie/nokia/ |
| 13:55.57 | jsmanrique | anyone knows what P700 hardware is? |
| 13:56.32 | koen | the nec one? |
| 13:56.55 | jsmanrique | there is one screenshot in hh.org/scap |
| 13:57.04 | jsmanrique | that points hardware to P700 |
| 13:57.19 | jsmanrique | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.8095.png |
| 13:57.41 | koen | it seems it runs gpe |
| 13:57.51 | jsmanrique | sort of |
| 13:58.07 | koen | that's scap getting the rotation wrong |
| 14:10.52 | jsmanrique | http://personales.ya.com/majadas/guadec/p1010025.jpg |
| 14:15.30 | jserv2 | wow! |
| 14:15.48 | jserv2 | Maemo is great |
| 14:17.08 | florian | jsmanrique: bad photo... thats running the user/production image with the commercial browser. |
| 14:17.08 | florian | hi jserv2 |
| 14:17.52 | jserv2 | florian: Hi |
| 14:18.46 | jsmanrique | florian: sure |
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| 14:20.40 | koen | hey RP|slab |
| 14:20.54 | RP|slab | hi koen |
| 14:22.00 | koen | spain, UK, .nl and a lot in .de :) |
| 14:22.23 | RP|slab | specifically the ones in .de in Stuttgart... |
| 14:22.39 | koen | just shout "opie rocks" |
| 14:23.02 | RP|slab | That would just attract everyone in the building :) |
| 14:23.04 | koen | and track back the trajectorie |
| 14:23.19 | RP|slab | The c700 is remaining safely hidden... |
| 14:23.32 | RP|slab | I have an ipaq the gpe people might be interested to see though |
| 14:23.59 | koen | put a postage stamp and my address on it :) |
| 14:26.13 | RP|slab | koen: Don't tempt me. I can't get the charging code to make sense on it |
| 14:26.32 | RP|slab | I thought I'd killed it on the way over as after a fresh charge, it was dead to the world |
| 14:27.04 | jsmanrique | RP|slab: GPE is all around the world |
| 14:27.11 | RP|slab | but after another charge, it was fine. Turns out I'd only soft-reset into wince and it had become locked into some kind of discharge state... |
| 14:27.49 | RP|slab | jsmanrique: I know. What I meant is where are the gpe developers at guadec :) |
| 14:31.26 | jsmanrique | RP|slab: mallum, florian and roos are there.. almost sure (and maybe luc) |
| 14:32.05 | florian | RP|slab: Where are you? |
| 14:32.43 | RP|slab | florian: I'm in the big room next to the small Nokia one |
| 14:32.59 | RP|slab | florian: Where are you? |
| 14:33.03 | florian | RP|slab: heh.. sounds like you are in the same room :-) |
| 14:33.45 | RP|slab | I'm sitting with a tablet PC to the left of the enterance doors |
| 14:34.07 | RP|slab | with a power point behind me |
| 14:34.20 | hrw|work | ;) |
| 14:34.26 | florian | heh |
| 14:34.51 | RP|slab | We'd be the people looking around now? :) |
| 14:35.14 | florian | The two others here? |
| 14:35.50 | RP|slab | On my or your table? |
| 14:36.27 | florian | If i'm correct you are four and we are three, right? |
| 14:36.40 | jsmanrique | this looks interesting |
| 14:36.44 | RP|slab | Yes, I'm now a three |
| 14:36.57 | jsmanrique | RP|slab: tablet pc running.... gnome? |
| 14:37.08 | florian | heh... right, someone just left ;-) |
| 14:37.15 | RP|slab | jsmanrique: yes |
| 14:37.57 | RP|slab | florian: I'll wander accross |
| 14:38.23 | jsmanrique | RP|slab: nice.. how do you enter data? which input method are you using? |
| 14:38.27 | jsmanrique | oops |
| 14:40.08 | jsmanrique | see you later |
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| 14:50.12 | florian | RP|c700: where did you go? |
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| 15:23.24 | koen | hey tigrux |
| 15:24.18 | tigrux | Hello koen |
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| 15:59.29 | koen | RP|c700: has the angry mob calmed down yet? |
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| 15:59.47 | koen | hey mallum |
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| 16:23.29 | reenoo_ | re |
| 17:07.51 | reenoo | pb_: building -hh40 now... |
| 17:10.59 | pb_ | reenoo: very good |
| 17:15.48 | florian | hi reenoo, hi pb_ |
| 17:16.23 | reenoo | hey florian |
| 17:17.05 | reenoo | pb_: it builds fine. there are a couple of modules with unresolved symbols though |
| 17:17.35 | reenoo | elsa_cs.o, sedlbauer_cs.o, and ppp_deflate.o |
| 17:21.29 | pb_ | florian: good afternoon! |
| 17:21.48 | pb_ | reenoo: okay. I've never even heard of the first two. What's the unresolved symbol in ppp_deflate? |
| 17:25.11 | reenoo | pb_: the first two are ISDN cards. how do I check which symbols exactly are unresolved? |
| 17:25.32 | pb_ | reenoo: depmod -ae |
| 17:26.19 | pb_ | heh, I didn't know that pcmcia isdn cards even existed. |
| 17:48.11 | reenoo | pb_: http://pastebin.ca/12968 |
| 17:53.47 | reenoo | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.32214.png |
| 17:54.35 | reenoo | Kompo: thanks. --slim works |
| 17:57.20 | Kompo | reenoo: np. there's some other options also in main.c.. |
| 17:57.46 | Kompo | anyway, some sort of stylus mode should be coded. mouse gestures or something |
| 17:57.51 | Kompo | stylus gestures.. |
| 18:04.38 | reenoo | Kompo: yeah, that'd be nice |
| 18:05.21 | reenoo | Kompo: I've seen the options in main.c btw |
| 18:09.58 | reenoo | pb_: I wonder what causes that. CONFIG_ZLIB_DEFLATE is enabled in defconfig-h3600... |
| 18:21.43 | pb_ | reenoo: mm, odd. |
| 18:22.00 | pb_ | does ppp_deflate actually refuse to load? It might be a spurious indication from depmod. |
| 18:25.33 | reenoo | I don't know know. I'd have to reflash to find out I guess |
| 18:25.46 | reenoo | s/know know/know/ |
| 18:26.16 | pb_ | oh. can't you just install that kernel on your current rootfs? |
| 18:28.59 | reenoo | hmm. kind of risky though given that I need the ipaq to test stuff for a university project these days |
| 18:29.28 | pb_ | well, if it fails you can always go back to your previous version. |
| 18:29.44 | pb_ | I think it's unlikely that it will blow up in such a way as to destroy any data. |
| 18:30.24 | pb_ | actually, that said, I guess this version does have all those mtd changes, so it's probably a more risky upgrade than most. |
| 18:30.35 | pb_ | maybe it would be better to find someone else to test it out :-} |
| 18:31.00 | pb_ | I suppose I could even (shock horror) test it myself. |
| 18:32.02 | reenoo | heh. yah, I wished I had a machine I could use for OE/familiar testing purposes only, but that's not the case ATM :/ |
| 18:34.31 | pb_ | might be worth talking to jamey, see if he has any spare ipaqs he could give you. |
| 18:41.47 | reenoo | sounds like a plan. will do as soon as the semester is over so that I'll actually have the time to do more extensive testing |
| 18:45.23 | reenoo | what are your plans for the unstable feed btw? start with a snapshot of current OE+familiar-0.9.0.conf and have maintainers upload individual packages with that as a base line? |
| 18:50.07 | reenoo | Kompo: does gtk webcore use a DOM parser btw? it feels like it downloads the whole document before parsing/rendering. |
| 18:50.54 | pb_ | dunno. I was thinking we would just start with 0.8.2 or something. |
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| 18:56.20 | reenoo | pb_: ok. that answers my "what to do with less actively maintained packages" question then. sounds cool. |
| 18:56.51 | reenoo | looks like someone at guadec is running gtk webcore on an n770 |
| 18:57.05 | reenoo | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.18626.png |
| 19:04.16 | koen | reenoo: and his name is florian :) |
| 19:04.52 | koen | 15:36 < florian> ~hail reenoo for the good oe integration of gtk-webcore |
| 19:04.52 | koen | 15:36 * ibot bows down to reenoo for the good oe integration of gtk-webcore and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 19:04.56 | koen | 15:36 < florian> ~hail reenoo for the good oe integration of gtk-webcore |
| 19:04.58 | koen | 15:36 * ibot bows down to reenoo for the good oe integration of gtk-webcore and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 19:05.01 | koen | ooopps |
| 19:05.07 | koen | one ctrl-v too many |
| 19:05.18 | reenoo | heh. cool. |
| 19:05.52 | reenoo | I wonder why my builds don't render certain images though :/ |
| 19:07.12 | reenoo | compare florian's telepolis scap to this one: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.6013.png |
| 19:07.45 | koen | weird |
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| 19:17.28 | Philippe | evening people |
| 19:19.31 | reenoo | hey Philippe |
| 19:20.37 | Philippe | hello reenoo , I am just installing gtk-webcore on my netbook... builds great! |
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| 19:27.19 | Philippe | reenoo, and it works fine (too bad about having to put http:// in front of the url always, but it is way faster than firefox) |
| 19:27.55 | reenoo | Philippe: ah, cool. do images work for you? |
| 19:28.03 | reenoo | err |
| 19:28.08 | reenoo | are they rendered? |
| 19:28.32 | Philippe | Yes they do. Just some strange things with some backgrounds. But images definitely work! |
| 19:29.15 | reenoo | odd |
| 19:29.20 | Philippe | Of course there are quite some libraries (and some older ones) on this netbook |
| 19:34.22 | Philippe | damn, I need some way to take screenshots on this netbook... |
| 19:34.29 | koen | scap |
| 19:34.33 | koen | or fbgrab |
| 19:35.00 | pb_ | xwd :-) |
| 19:35.02 | Philippe | can I use scap? Because it wants to upload stuff to a certain location if I am not wrong. |
| 19:35.32 | koen | scap uploads it to hh.org/scap |
| 19:36.09 | reenoo | hrm. ipkg needs a -dont-upgrade flag |
| 19:36.28 | koen | and a force-downgrade |
| 19:36.41 | pb_ | reenoo: what would that do? |
| 19:36.51 | Philippe | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.8389.png (if it worked) |
| 19:37.33 | Philippe | no it didn't...:-( |
| 19:38.04 | Philippe | Just running scap as the user running the app is correct? Or does it need some strange option? |
| 19:38.30 | reenoo | pb_: not upgrade packages that are installed but not recent enough according to the package dependencies |
| 19:40.13 | Philippe | ~hail reenoo for making the web-browsing on my netbook actually really useable |
| 19:40.14 | ibot | ACTION bows down to reenoo for making the web-browsing on my netbook actually really useable and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 19:40.16 | koen | Philippe: try using su - |
| 19:41.05 | Philippe | trying as root... and seems to do nothing.... |
| 19:41.33 | reenoo | arrgh |
| 19:41.35 | reenoo | No space left on device |
| 19:41.43 | pb_ | doh |
| 19:42.28 | Philippe | koen this time it generated something but it is complete garbage :-( http://handhelds.org/scap/port.8655.png |
| 19:43.08 | koen | fbset is in your PATH? |
| 19:43.09 | reenoo | heh |
| 19:43.19 | pb_ | scap doesn't understand netbooks. You'll have to tell it you are on a SIMpad. |
| 19:43.30 | reenoo | minimo is still installed |
| 19:43.54 | pb_ | good thinking |
| 19:44.02 | Philippe | pb_: Aha, how do I tell it that? scap --help seems to do nothing... |
| 19:44.15 | reenoo | so is libstdc++6 |
| 19:44.30 | reenoo | ~lart minimo for pulling in libstdc++6 |
| 19:44.41 | reenoo | haha |
| 19:44.47 | reenoo | ~botsnack |
| 19:44.47 | ibot | :), reenoo |
| 19:45.41 | koen | csi time |
| 19:45.52 | reenoo | koen|tv: enjoy! |
| 19:46.27 | reenoo | doh |
| 19:46.30 | reenoo | # ipkg remove libstdc++6 minimo |
| 19:46.30 | reenoo | Removing package minimo from root... |
| 19:46.30 | reenoo | Collected errors: |
| 19:46.30 | reenoo | Package libstdc++6 is depended upon by packages: |
| 19:46.30 | reenoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.55 | reenoo | brb |
| 19:53.32 | reenoo | so, it turns out minimo+deps is well over a meg larger than gtk webcore |
| 19:54.29 | reenoo | two megs if you don't take libxml2 into account for gtk webcore |
| 19:56.30 | reenoo | yay! |
| 19:57.44 | pb_ | can gtk webcore be made to use expat, rather than libxml2? |
| 19:57.59 | Kompo | older versions actually used expat |
| 19:58.11 | Kompo | but it's lots of worse than libxml2 |
| 19:58.18 | pb_ | worse in what way? |
| 19:58.36 | Kompo | libxml2 is faster, has more features (namespaces) |
| 19:58.55 | Kompo | and if new webcore is ported, you get client side xslt with libxslt |
| 19:59.11 | Kompo | oh, and error handling is better, i guess. |
| 19:59.54 | pb_ | ah, that's interesting. I didn't know libxml2 was faster than expat |
| 20:00.52 | Kompo | Well, I haven't measured either |
| 20:06.39 | Philippe | Kompo, I was told that you had an glade file for the gtk-webcore browser. I would be interested into making it fit on small screens.. |
| 20:19.11 | reenoo | Philippe: Kompo informed me earlier today that there's a "--slim" command line option |
| 20:19.33 | reenoo | (amoung others - see main.c) |
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| 20:23.35 | Philippe | reenoo, will do... |
| 20:32.37 | tommie | hm, trying to install gpdf: |
| 20:32.38 | tommie | | Package gconf wants to install file /usr/bin/gconftool-2 |
| 20:32.38 | tommie | | But that file is already provided by package gconf-dbus |
| 20:49.09 | tigrux | tommie: NOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 20:49.20 | tigrux | tommie: gpdf has a lot of dependencies! |
| 20:49.41 | hrw|tv | pb_: kind of 'hold' flag from dpkg maybe? (-dont-upgrade thing) |
| 20:53.48 | tommie | tigrux: Hm, is there an alternative? |
| 20:53.55 | tigrux | tommie: No idea. |
| 20:54.19 | tigrux | tommie: evince could be one, but I'm not sure it it has so much dependencies. |
| 20:54.46 | tommie | What is evince? |
| 20:55.42 | tigrux | tommie: Another pdf reader, but it also reads other formats and depends of freedesktop libraries. |
| 20:55.53 | tommie | ah |
| 20:55.58 | tommie | where can I get the ipkg? |
| 20:57.14 | tigrux | tommie: You make it for you, just install OE. |
| 20:57.22 | tommie | hm |
| 20:57.36 | koen | evince requires espgs |
| 20:57.43 | tigrux | tommie: OE is cross-compile enviroment, to create your own packages. |
| 20:57.44 | tommie | koen: and this is....bad? |
| 20:57.49 | tommie | tigrux: Yes, I know |
| 20:57.51 | koen | BIIIIG |
| 20:57.59 | tommie | koen: oh |
| 20:58.00 | koen | I still have to look at that |
| 20:58.03 | tommie | koen: then it is....bad. |
| 20:58.24 | koen | I wonder if we can reuse the maemo pdf thing |
| 20:58.43 | koen | if they didn't torture it with libosso and hildon too much |
| 20:59.22 | tommie | Anyone has experience with cellphones, bluetooth, linux and syncing them? Perhaps even with Java? |
| 20:59.47 | tommie | I have to decide until tomorrow :-/ |
| 20:59.53 | koen | I could sync my s55 over bluetooth with multisync a few years back |
| 21:00.08 | tommie | hm |
| 21:00.13 | tommie | K750i is big in the race |
| 21:00.17 | tommie | but I'm not sure |
| 21:00.47 | hrw|tv | tommie: I would avoid nokia phones.. have enough of it after >2 years with 6310i |
| 21:01.31 | tommie | 6230 seems fucked up as well...It does not work with standard .jar files, only with strange .sis files |
| 21:01.59 | tommie | I don't need a phone |
| 21:02.03 | tommie | I need a gadget |
| 21:02.12 | reenoo | s/there/these/ |
| 21:02.24 | koen | reenoo: ask zecke :) |
| 21:02.50 | koen | I don't like huge phones |
| 21:02.57 | tommie | reenoo: Yes, those would fit nicely in my computer zoo |
| 21:05.02 | reenoo | koen: well, it's not much larger than the phone I own right now ;) |
| 21:05.08 | koen | heh |
| 21:05.23 | koen | I have a nice and small s55 |
| 21:05.31 | koen | being held together with gaffa tape |
| 21:06.12 | hrw|tv | koen: isnt it too small? |
| 21:07.56 | koen | not for me |
| 21:12.37 | koen | 'night all |
| 21:13.01 | reenoo | 'night koen|sleep |
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| 21:14.24 | mimecar | hi |
| 21:17.55 | tommie | K750i looks nice, good developer documentation |
| 21:21.22 | mickeyl | i'm waiting for the road gmbh phone |
| 21:21.27 | mickeyl | although it's a bit bigger :) |
| 21:21.34 | zecke | :) |
| 21:22.23 | tommie | hehe |
| 21:37.07 | mimecar | Irda transmision works with gpe ? |
| 21:45.43 | mimecar | I have a mobile phone |
| 21:45.59 | mimecar | and I want send vcard betwenn two devices |
| 22:39.30 | Philippe | goodnight all |
| 22:39.41 | reenoo | 'night Philippe |
| 23:15.36 | tubbie|home | hey guys I am building a gpe image for akita and the build failed because gnutls-1.0.23.tar.gz isnt on ftp.gnutls.org anymore, I changed my gnutls to 1.0.24 and now it fetched an compiled also, can someone with dev access to oe repository change this please |
| 23:15.54 | tubbie|home | I dont have dev access |
| 23:16.14 | hrw | ok |
| 23:16.45 | hrw | I will change url for 1.0.23 - dont know what use gnutls |
| 23:17.21 | tubbie|home | thx hrw, I am surprised too, maybe gaim it builded after that |
| 23:17.33 | tubbie|home | URL is the same just rename the bb does |
| 23:17.47 | hrw | tubbie|home: or add "attic" in 1.0.23 |
| 23:18.48 | tubbie|home | hmmm, ok, well I am not that expert, just doing a quick hack here to get am Image that includes sablevm |
| 23:19.40 | hrw | understable |
| 23:20.17 | hrw | I dont maintain gnutls or something which depend on it so I can change source location so it will work and mark that newer versions are available |
| 23:20.36 | hrw | tubbie|home: report a bug in bugtracker about it |
| 23:20.53 | tubbie|home | in oe bugtracker? |
| 23:21.18 | hrw | yes |
| 23:21.38 | tubbie|home | ok will do |
| 23:22.12 | hrw | tried 1.2.4 version? |
| 23:22.35 | tubbie|home | well the image is still building |
| 23:22.51 | tubbie|home | but it compiled and patch also applied |
| 23:23.16 | tubbie|home | no 1.2.4 not |
| 23:23.17 | hrw | ok. change pushed to oe-devel repo |
| 23:23.20 | tubbie|home | 1.0.24 |
| 23:28.20 | reenoo | tubbie|home: out of curiosity, what are you going to use sablevm for? |
| 23:32.18 | tubbie|home | renoo, we got 5 Akitas for pda scenarios. We ale developing CSCL tools and PDA scenarios are part of them. Now one of our students programmed a client using sablevm and now the "sun Problem" is solved. ( a lot of my coworkers believed in sun) And our Professor got us 5 Zauri instead of some microsoft pdas :) |
| 23:33.13 | tubbie|home | sablevm seems to be very nice |
| 23:33.36 | tubbie|home | I once saw a screenshot of eclipse running on sable stuff |
| 23:34.59 | reenoo | ah, nice |
| 23:35.31 | tubbie|home | so the client is made for school student, which can do some outdoor experiments using pdas and upload them to the classroom, where other students analyze the data and so on |
| 23:36.26 | reenoo | do you have a website for that project or something else I could link to (as a success story)? |
| 23:38.28 | tubbie|home | When it is done, I will post you a link, the client now runs on an Ipaq with Familiar, the tool is going to be used with both ipaqs and the akitas |
| 23:39.12 | tubbie|home | We could also write a paper about the potential of bitbake/oe and so on for scientific developement, if you like |
| 23:39.58 | reenoo | sounds cool. |
| 23:41.40 | tubbie|home | it is achance, because we know, that j2me sucks and sun is closed source, so this framework is nice if you want to port code to pdas |
| 23:42.04 | tubbie|home | mean java code |
| 23:42.30 | reenoo | yeah |
| 23:42.38 | reenoo | you might also want to look into jamvm which is a bit smaller than sablevm and works with a pritine version of gnu classpath |
| 23:43.06 | tubbie|home | which one do you think about? |
| 23:43.51 | reenoo | s/pritine/pristine/ |
| 23:44.03 | tubbie|home | ok |
| 23:44.25 | reenoo | the sablevm people have their own patched version of gnu classpath |
| 23:44.42 | reenoo | with jamvm you can use releases from classpath.org |
| 23:44.56 | reenoo | or classpath CVS if you need bleeding edge code |
| 23:45.21 | reenoo | reminds me of the fact that I should update the classpath .bb in OE ;) |
| 23:48.04 | reenoo | anyways. glad to hear someone's using my free java stuff in OE :) |
| 23:48.13 | reenoo | I'm off to bed for now |
| 23:48.17 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 23:49.34 | tubbie|home | 'night reenoo, and I will keep you informed |
| 23:50.04 | reenoo | cool |
