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| 08:16.16 | florian_kc | good morning! |
| 08:16.55 | hrw|work | hi florian_kc |
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| 08:18.02 | florian_kc | koen: good morning |
| 08:18.08 | koen | good morning all |
| 08:18.11 | koen | hey florian_kc |
| 08:18.48 | florian_kc | hi hrw|work |
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| 08:27.48 | koen | hey mallum |
| 08:28.12 | mallum | koen: yoyo |
| 08:28.52 | florian_kc | mallum: morning sir |
| 08:28.56 | florian_kc | (!) |
| 08:29.14 | koen | florian_kc: when's the pressrelease coming out? |
| 08:29.47 | florian_kc | koen: i was told at 15:30 UTC |
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| 08:49.01 | mallum | hey florian_kc |
| 08:49.31 | florian_kc | morning mickeyl |
| 08:49.49 | mickeyl | good morning florian |
| 08:49.52 | mickeyl | hi mallum |
| 08:50.03 | mallum | hey mickeyl |
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| 09:07.50 | reenoo | morning |
| 09:13.35 | florian_kc | hi reenoo |
| 09:19.31 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 09:20.03 | bedboi | if i want to free the last element of a GSList (as with pop) what function i have to use? |
| 09:20.23 | florian_kc | hi bedboi |
| 09:22.12 | reenoo | moin florian_kc |
| 09:24.05 | bedboi | is g_free(g_slist_last(list)) the way to do that? |
| 09:24.33 | florian_kc | yeah... i think so |
| 09:25.22 | reenoo | I doubt it |
| 09:25.35 | reenoo | you have to remove that element from the list first |
| 09:25.45 | florian_kc | eh indeed |
| 09:25.53 | bedboi | reenoo: how to do that? |
| 09:26.08 | bedboi | g_slist_free(g_slist_last(list)) ? |
| 09:26.09 | reenoo | bedboi: read the API docs maybe? |
| 09:26.15 | bedboi | i read that |
| 09:26.25 | reenoo | read them again then |
| 09:27.15 | florian_kc | yeah g_slist_free_1 or g_slist_free depending on the situation... |
| 09:27.31 | bedboi | g_slist_free seems to free al the memory allocated to the list |
| 09:27.45 | bedboi | ah, ok g_slist_free_1 () is the one |
| 09:28.52 | reenoo | that won't work |
| 09:29.34 | reenoo | you can't randomly free stuff referenced from a data structure |
| 09:30.07 | bedboi | true. |
| 09:30.23 | bedboi | g_slist_remove(g_slist_last(list)) |
| 09:30.28 | bedboi | nope |
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| 09:30.43 | bedboi | g_slist_remove_link will do the job |
| 09:30.53 | florian_kc | hey pb_ |
| 09:31.07 | bedboi | reenoo: then i can use g_slist_free_1, isn't it? |
| 09:31.28 | pb_ | florian_kc: good morning! |
| 09:31.46 | reenoo | bedboi: the API docs indicate that, yes |
| 09:31.49 | reenoo | morning pb_ |
| 09:34.39 | pb_ | hi reenoo |
| 09:36.15 | pb_ | reenoo: do you know if lcdproc knows how to drive a PCF2119? |
| 09:41.26 | reenoo | pb_: doesn't look like it |
| 09:42.37 | pb_ | drat |
| 09:42.44 | pb_ | oh well, thanks for checking |
| 09:43.10 | reenoo | np. is that an I2C one? |
| 09:43.12 | pb_ | yeah |
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| 09:45.06 | pb_ | it seems to be used in this module: http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/58913.pdf |
| 09:45.30 | pb_ | which I was planning to use in one of our devices, and I was hoping to avoid having to write a driver for it :-} |
| 09:51.10 | reenoo | hmm, right. |
| 09:55.06 | pb_ | I guess it wouldn't kill me to write some code, though. |
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| 09:57.37 | reenoo | hrm |
| 09:58.15 | reenoo | I remember someone mentioning a fairly generic I2C driver, but apparently the source code to that has never been posted to the list :/ |
| 09:58.37 | pb_ | doh |
| 10:05.44 | koobla_ | hm, there is a i2c driver in the core... |
| 10:06.11 | koobla_ | but don't know if code for the pcf2119 is available |
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| 10:27.04 | koen | hey Cwiiis & lardman|work |
| 10:27.16 | lardman|work | hi koen |
| 10:27.17 | Cwiiis | Hey koen, all :) |
| 10:27.34 | lardman|work | hi all |
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| 10:40.11 | XorA | mallum: ping |
| 10:47.47 | mallum | XorA: hey |
| 10:48.00 | XorA | mallum: change 1062 breaks matchbox-wm |
| 10:50.44 | mallum | XorA: ah cool, many thanks for figuring it out |
| 10:50.57 | mallum | XorA: do you know the date for that btw ? |
| 10:52.03 | koen | Wed Feb 16 17:51:30 2005 UTC (3 months ago) |
| 10:52.30 | koen | minimize button fix.argb win fix |
| 10:52.46 | XorA | koen: thats the one |
| 10:53.26 | XorA | first change after 9.3 release |
| 10:53.26 | koen | mallum: did you drop the rest of my converted strokes in svn? |
| 10:53.37 | mallum | koen: yeah |
| 10:54.24 | mallum | koen: I changed the config loader so it would load stroke without exact definitions |
| 10:54.31 | koen | aha |
| 10:56.14 | mallum | koen: fullscreen kind of works now too, run with --fullscreen |
| 10:56.25 | koen | cool |
| 11:12.23 | mallum | XorA: can you revert this change in a recent ( .9.4 or SVN ) build and see if it fixes things for you ? |
| 11:12.48 | mallum | XorA: basically change CWBackPixel|CWBorderPixel|CWColormap, tCWBackPixel|CWBorderPixel, |
| 11:12.58 | mallum | XorA: basically change CWBackPixel|CWBorderPixel|CWColormap, CWBackPixel|CWBorderPixel, I mean |
| 11:17.45 | XorA | mallum: gimme a sec |
| 11:19.04 | mallum | XorA: cool, no hurry |
| 11:21.23 | XorA | mallum: its more interesting than bugs in Java Process class :-) |
| 11:22.05 | koen | mallum: I can't tap in icons in mb-desktop anymore |
| 11:22.24 | koen | the titlebar-winlist does work |
| 11:22.32 | koen | RECOGNIZING |
| 11:24.07 | XorA | ipkg needs a speed injection :-) |
| 11:24.10 | mallum | koen: you cant turn it off ? |
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| 11:24.21 | mallum | XorA: ipkg needs a complete rewrite ;) |
| 11:24.34 | rob_w | hi all |
| 11:25.35 | rob_w | first of all it seems that gpe-text editor does not like any other characters then pure text ... and 2nd is there a recommendation of what filesystem is best on a sd card .. ext2fs is quite cranpy about not syncing and stuff .. |
| 11:26.47 | koen | you have sync,noatime in your mount options? |
| 11:26.57 | XorA | oh and something in GPE needs to start reaping dbus-deamon-1 processes |
| 11:27.53 | XorA | mallum: reverted that change in 0.9.4, now dialogs works |
| 11:28.09 | rob_w | koen .. hmm checking this |
| 11:28.45 | mallum | XorA: cool, okey dokes let me fix that for real |
| 11:29.43 | mallum | XorA: could you try one other little test for me ? |
| 11:29.52 | XorA | mallum: sure |
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| 11:31.15 | mallum | XorA: could you add the line printf("%s() client is '%s', color map is %li\n", __func__, c->name, c->cmap); to the top of dialog_client_reparent() ( just above the dbg statements ) |
| 11:31.27 | mallum | XorA: and just see what it prints for the dodgy windows |
| 11:32.24 | koen | mallum: mb-stroke works pretty good, but I have trouble with the i,1 2 and z |
| 11:32.43 | mallum | koen: yeah , also backspace return etc is not working |
| 11:32.48 | mallum | koen: Im just fixing that |
| 11:32.59 | koen | http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/sfeed/matchbox-stroke_0.0+svn20050525-r1_armv5te.ipk |
| 11:33.03 | mallum | koen: the config file needs a lot more tweaking and modes set up |
| 11:33.14 | mallum | koen: Im testing it on my sony |
| 11:33.24 | koen | clie? |
| 11:33.25 | koen | or psp? |
| 11:33.32 | mallum | u71 |
| 11:33.49 | koen | matchbox runs on that too? cool |
| 11:34.53 | koen | oooh, me want u71 |
| 11:41.01 | mallum | koen: http://butterfeet.org/misc/u71.png, http://butterfeet.org/misc/uubuntu.jpg |
| 11:41.57 | koen | very nice looking gadget |
| 11:43.57 | florian_kc | mallum: cool |
| 11:45.00 | koen | I wonder if the mubuntu people will be at guadec |
| 11:45.43 | florian_kc | koen: i'm convinced they are there... |
| 11:46.04 | koen | You have a lot of GPE-flashing to do there :) |
| 11:46.19 | florian_kc | hehe |
| 11:46.46 | koen | does anyone have arielMx's sheet from guadec-es? |
| 11:47.05 | koen | (preferably in english) |
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| 11:50.51 | koen | florian_kc: the nokia and gstreamer one? |
| 11:51.03 | florian_kc | koen: ? |
| 11:51.11 | koen | press release |
| 11:52.09 | florian_kc | koen: No... whatever it is in it, i don't thing that's that interesting for us. |
| 11:52.12 | XorA | mallum: dialog_client_reparent() client is 'Edit accounts', color map is 4194307 |
| 11:52.16 | XorA | mallum: possibly |
| 11:52.16 | florian_kc | okay... we use gstreamer... |
| 11:53.22 | mallum | XorA: does it always print the same value for colormap ? |
| 11:53.36 | XorA | mallum: Im having trouble actually getting that output |
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| 11:56.30 | XorA | mallum: why does exec matchbox-window-manager $@ >/tmp/mb.err not work? |
| 11:56.40 | XorA | mallum: in /etc/matchbox/session |
| 11:56.44 | koen | busybox? |
| 11:58.02 | XorA | koen: if thats towards me, then yes |
| 11:58.27 | koen | I noticed busybox can't do foo >& log either |
| 11:58.33 | mallum | XorA: its output make should end up in .xsession-errors ? |
| 11:59.17 | XorA | mallum: the printf doesnt |
| 11:59.49 | XorA | mallum: but its being printed normally, just stdout is direct somewhere, just dunno where |
| 12:00.45 | XorA | mallum: btw the dialog works fine when I make Z matchbox-wm work on cygwin X with Z sylpheed |
| 12:02.09 | XorA | off for some lunch, back in 5 |
| 12:04.55 | mallum | XorA: okey dokes, maybe change it to fprintf(stderr, "%s()..... |
| 12:29.13 | XorA | mallum: dialog_client_reparent() client is 'Edit accounts', color map is 37748739 |
| 12:29.38 | mallum | XorA: okey, what do other windows give ? |
| 12:31.21 | XorA | mallum: Open File in firefox: recommended.dialog_client_reparent() client is 'Open File', color map is 37748739 |
| 12:33.22 | XorA | mallum: recommended.dialog_client_reparent() client is 'Preferences', color map is 37748739 |
| 12:33.28 | XorA | mallum: so its always the same number |
| 12:35.02 | mallum | XorA: what about for something like rxvt ? |
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| 12:35.39 | XorA | mallum: doesnt seem to trigger that function |
| 12:36.26 | mallum | XorA: ah of course |
| 12:36.47 | mallum | XorA: try figment about menu option ? |
| 12:36.52 | XorA | mallum: gaim dialog_client_reparent() client is 'Join a Chat', color map is 32 |
| 12:37.04 | XorA | mallum: thats a working one |
| 12:37.51 | XorA | mallum: and interestingly, the output for sylpheed on cygwin X is 32 as well and works |
| 12:39.47 | mallum | XorA: yeah 37748739 looks like garbage |
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| 12:42.35 | florian_kc | hi nomis |
| 12:43.21 | nomis | moin. |
| 12:43.45 | florian_kc | #gpe isn't faster than light ;-) |
| 12:46.27 | nomis | Damn! |
| 12:46.31 | XorA | florian_kc: faster than ipkg though |
| 12:46.41 | florian_kc | heh |
| 12:49.42 | florian_kc | oops |
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| 12:50.52 | florian_kc | Looks like someone started the press release... |
| 12:51.04 | koen | where? |
| 12:51.19 | florian_kc | http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/770 |
| 12:51.25 | florian_kc | http://www.maemo.org/ |
| 12:52.33 | Toni | \o/ |
| 12:52.44 | koen | heh |
| 12:52.55 | koen | the nokia/scratchbox people wake up :) |
| 12:53.05 | nomis | florian_kc: Seems my sense of timing is perfect :) |
| 12:54.15 | florian_kc | gnaa |
| 12:54.21 | florian_kc | i wonder why that early... |
| 12:54.52 | nomis | florian_kc: Probably a nervous trigger finger of someone in the Nokia-Webteam? :) |
| 12:56.20 | florian_kc | nomis: yeah maybe... but maemo.org is open too. |
| 12:56.39 | XorA | does that thing run GPE? |
| 12:56.41 | koen | http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_an_existing_application.html |
| 12:56.56 | koen | XorA: I think they call it Hildon |
| 12:57.14 | florian_kc | not gpe... but it is based on gtk. |
| 12:57.58 | mallum | koen: I wonder if it runs matchbox ;) ? |
| 12:58.06 | koen | heh |
| 12:58.07 | florian_kc | koen, XorA http://oss.kernelconcepts.de/maemo/ |
| 12:58.16 | florian_kc | It does... |
| 12:58.54 | florian_kc | Hell... these bastards - i didn't manage to finish my GPE story! |
| 12:59.06 | XorA | interesting, so 10 secs after release we can have a fully working OE GPE build :-) |
| 12:59.43 | florian_kc | hehe not really, but i guess this should be easy.. |
| 13:01.08 | rob_w-cgi | wow nokia is stepping into Linux .. that are good news |
| 13:01.39 | rob_w-cgi | nokia is a dinosaur and that will give a big push to linux .. if they manage to make money with it |
| 13:01.51 | florian_kc | i just hope thy continue this way... that would be fun. |
| 13:02.08 | mallum | rob_w-cgi: 'nokia is a dinosaur' , how'd you work that out ? |
| 13:02.23 | koen|uni | bbl |
| 13:02.59 | XorA | the unit looks interesting thats for sure |
| 13:03.12 | XorA | certaintly more interesting than a javacard :-) |
| 13:03.32 | rob_w-cgi | mallum .. well i meant nokia is quite some weight in these buisnesses .. |
| 13:04.43 | rob_w-cgi | sorry my english is too bad today .. |
| 13:05.29 | XorA | anyway, what should kill dbus-daemon-1 processes? |
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| 13:54.52 | bedboi | hey i never header about maemo before |
| 13:56.02 | nomis | bedboi: AFAIK this is intentional. |
| 13:56.20 | nomis | s/is/was/ :-) |
| 13:58.52 | bedboi | ah |
| 13:59.11 | bedboi | is there some GPE friend that works for nokia? |
| 13:59.24 | bedboi | 'cause it seems that maemo it's very much similar to GPE :) |
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| 14:00.15 | jsmanrique | hey!!! |
| 14:00.18 | florian_kc | bedboi: well... yes, i guess quite some people we know worked for this project. me, mallum, nilsf, Toni.... |
| 14:00.19 | bedboi | for what i see it has sam internals |
| 14:00.22 | florian_kc | hi jsmanrique |
| 14:00.23 | jsmanrique | I am still shocked by Nokia news |
| 14:00.30 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: what a new!! |
| 14:00.31 | bedboi | florian_kc: ah :) |
| 14:00.49 | bedboi | florian_kc: that's really cool |
| 14:00.55 | jsmanrique | congratulations to all people involved in maemo |
| 14:01.32 | jsmanrique | opie? |
| 14:01.37 | jsmanrique | bedboi: opie? |
| 14:01.47 | florian_kc | bedboi: Foe some good reasons it is not GPE, but GPE applications work pretty nice with maemo. We have ports of gpe-todo, gpe-plucker and gpe-contacts running. |
| 14:02.00 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: cool |
| 14:02.08 | mallum | jsmanrique: it runs matchbox |
| 14:02.14 | bedboi | florian_kc: yep i saw that. |
| 14:02.14 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: is there any price estimated? |
| 14:02.21 | mallum | jsmanrique: I have been working with Nokia for last 2.5 years on it |
| 14:02.26 | jsmanrique | mallum: yes!!! |
| 14:02.37 | bedboi | you shitty bastards. :) |
| 14:02.37 | jsmanrique | mallum: I love it!! |
| 14:02.52 | jsmanrique | mallum: so I have to send spanish layout as soon as possible, then :-) |
| 14:03.16 | bedboi | what about licens? |
| 14:03.19 | bedboi | license |
| 14:03.20 | jsmanrique | I want one, if price is not a madness :-D |
| 14:03.41 | florian_kc | mallum: i was a little bit confused you didn't know more... |
| 14:04.51 | jsmanrique | I am confused by everything |
| 14:05.22 | jsmanrique | but this device looks great for .. vnc, i.e.? |
| 14:05.27 | jsmanrique | remote desktop? |
| 14:05.40 | florian_kc | yeah |
| 14:05.57 | jsmanrique | and man, if it is using matchbox, I want that theme in my ipaq :-D |
| 14:06.18 | jsmanrique | now we'll have revenge |
| 14:07.02 | jsmanrique | and I suppose that the web browser is minimo based too |
| 14:07.12 | jsmanrique | wow!! |
| 14:07.17 | florian_kc | no... |
| 14:07.47 | florian_kc | mickeyl: wb |
| 14:07.56 | mickeyl | thanx |
| 14:08.33 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: no? no minimo? |
| 14:08.44 | jsmanrique | mallum: could that theme be used in GPE? |
| 14:09.18 | jsmanrique | mallum: it looks reaaaally coool |
| 14:09.29 | mallum | jsmanrique: I doubt it |
| 14:10.00 | jsmanrique | mallum: technical or license problems? |
| 14:11.47 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: it will be some work, but in theory yes. but it takes up quite some screen space. |
| 14:12.26 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: technical... the browser is currently a closed component and using the Opera engine. |
| 14:14.16 | XorA | only pity is its not a phone :-( |
| 14:14.19 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: I see |
| 14:14.47 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: I was thinking about the theme, of matchbox |
| 14:15.20 | jsmanrique | multimedia is based in gstreamer |
| 14:16.51 | hrw|work | gratulations to the team |
| 14:22.19 | jsmanrique | and maemo doc is great! |
| 14:22.28 | jsmanrique | http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html#matchbox |
| 14:22.38 | jsmanrique | I was reading about matchbox :-D |
| 14:25.57 | florian_kc | yep... there are some guys out there which did a good job |
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| 14:28.43 | jsmanrique | really good job |
| 14:28.54 | fabian2_de | hi @ all; is it possible to reset a pda without waiting until the backup battery is empty? |
| 14:37.13 | jsmanrique | nice to see the gaim port to maemo |
| 14:37.22 | jsmanrique | tigrux: hola! hello! |
| 14:37.42 | tigrux | jsmanrique: Buenos días. Cómo estás? |
| 14:38.47 | jsmanrique | tigrux: estuve unas horas en el guadec-es, pero Ariel Rios ya se había ido |
| 14:39.06 | tigrux | jsmanrique: Y a mí no me autorizaron a ir. :-( |
| 14:39.20 | jsmanrique | tigrux: vaya :( |
| 14:39.38 | jsmanrique | if nokia 770 runs gaim then I'll love it |
| 14:39.40 | jsmanrique | http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_an_existing_application.html |
| 14:40.15 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 14:40.53 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: I hope to see a price for it soon |
| 14:41.06 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: release expected for 3rd 2005 quarter |
| 14:41.42 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: and if it joins enough gtk developers, I think it will be a success platform |
| 14:44.41 | florian_kc | yeah |
| 14:45.08 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: main problem could be its price |
| 14:45.46 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: it seems more powerful than ipaq hx4700, and it is not a phone (yet), so maybe 700EUR |
| 14:46.39 | RP | florian_kc: Out of interest, what's your involvement in the 770? |
| 14:48.17 | jsmanrique | I've been seeing nokia 770 page for a long time, I need to take a rest |
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| 14:51.00 | florian | *gnaa* |
| 14:51.24 | florian | a |
| 14:51.33 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: It should be cheaper... |
| 14:51.48 | florian_kc | my workstation seems to be in trouble... |
| 14:53.28 | florian | RP: Mostly SDK testing and porting applications to maemo. |
| 14:54.54 | mallum | I updated the openedhand.com site |
| 14:55.07 | florian | mallum: *g* |
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| 14:55.19 | jsmanrique | mallum: cool |
| 14:55.30 | mallum | it has more details of what we've been up to with N ;) |
| 14:55.34 | jsmanrique | more links: http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/5991.html |
| 14:55.47 | jsmanrique | and slashdotted: http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/05/05/25/139202.shtml?tid=100&tid=193&tid=106 |
| 14:55.58 | jsmanrique | by nils |
| 14:59.06 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 15:01.06 | jsmanrique | wow! |
| 15:01.10 | jsmanrique | I can't stop reading |
| 15:01.15 | jsmanrique | rumors about $350 |
| 15:01.20 | jsmanrique | forbes, etc... |
| 15:01.54 | jsmanrique | adding remote desktop capabilities to nokia 770 would do a lot!!! |
| 15:02.46 | florian_kc | I guess a bluetooth keyboard with it will rock. |
| 15:03.05 | XorA | so what X server is 770 running, its got to be better than kdrive? |
| 15:05.02 | pb_ | "better" in what way? |
| 15:05.11 | jsmanrique | I am turning mad |
| 15:05.45 | mallum | XorA: its running kdrive |
| 15:06.03 | XorA | pb_: stablility |
| 15:06.43 | jsmanrique | high resolution images: http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,73864,00.html?name=770 |
| 15:07.15 | florian_kc | XorA: ? |
| 15:07.23 | pb_ | XorA: what particular "stablility" issues are you thinking of? |
| 15:08.05 | XorA | pb_: random crashes, especially when remoting windows |
| 15:08.23 | XorA | pb_: though I understand the version I am running is a randomly selected snapshot |
| 15:08.49 | XorA | pb_: and the version Ive got also randomly dies on vt switches |
| 15:09.22 | pb_ | sounds odd. |
| 15:09.48 | pb_ | not that I've tested VT switching very much, but I haven't been experiencing other random crashes that I can think of. |
| 15:10.36 | XorA | pb_: although saying that it hasnt done it recently (as in last few days) so maybe I am misblaiming X |
| 15:11.49 | XorA | and thats another topic, did anyone ever get to making current versions of kdrive work with tslib, last I heard it didnt work at all? |
| 15:14.44 | fabian2_de | 2(koen|uni2): can you say me, what's the newest version of gpe for the ipaq 5550? |
| 15:20.45 | RP | XorA: I know koen|uni and mallum were looking into it |
| 15:22.35 | XorA | gah, if only there was a reason for me to do PDA dev here |
| 15:27.01 | mallum | XorA: I know what the problem is just havn't had time to fix it |
| 15:27.58 | XorA | mallum: cool |
| 15:30.41 | florian_kc | http://press.nokia.com/PR/200505/995845_5.html |
| 15:42.24 | bedboi | cool |
| 15:43.26 | jsmanrique | ok, now it is being comented in whole internet gnome/free software forums |
| 15:43.29 | jsmanrique | nice success |
| 15:43.57 | bedboi | that will get extra developers :P |
| 15:45.15 | RP | http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/iprstatements is more readable |
| 15:49.31 | jsmanrique | bedboi: all gnome planets are talking about it now ;-) |
| 15:49.43 | bedboi | all gnomes ? |
| 15:49.45 | bedboi | :) |
| 15:54.51 | jsmanrique | great! |
| 15:54.58 | bedboi | what? |
| 15:55.06 | jsmanrique | nokia 770 :-D |
| 15:55.50 | jsmanrique | I've seen that there will be $99 cupons for people registered in GUADEC |
| 15:56.11 | jsmanrique | $350 - $99 =... nice price for that PDA |
| 16:00.13 | ade|desk | has nokia confirmed the price ?? |
| 16:00.23 | jsmanrique | Forbes has do it |
| 16:00.42 | jsmanrique | http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2005/05/25/ap2054600.html |
| 16:00.51 | jsmanrique | ok, it should be an estimated price |
| 16:01.00 | jsmanrique | but, if it is real price, it is really nice price |
| 16:05.22 | ade|desk | indeed |
| 16:05.33 | ade|desk | lacks usb host :( |
| 16:08.04 | florian_kc | no :-) |
| 16:10.24 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: no? |
| 16:10.40 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: oh my God, you are turning me really, really mad |
| 16:10.49 | jsmanrique | this could be a dreamed device |
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| 16:16.24 | jsmanrique | sad to see that minimo is not there :( |
| 16:20.16 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: port it :-) |
| 16:22.44 | koen | hey DougT |
| 16:23.53 | DougT | hi there koen |
| 16:23.58 | DougT | did you ping me the other day? |
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| 16:26.28 | koen | not that I know off |
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| 16:51.56 | koen | ok, gst 0.8.9 unbreaks cairosupport |
| 16:55.12 | koen | florian_kc: that 770 also explains your business trip to finland |
| 16:55.46 | florian_kc | koen: yes :-) |
| 16:57.09 | florian_kc | koen: i didn't know about it before, they invited us to take a look :-) |
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| 17:25.20 | koen | http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=150652&cid=12633901 |
| 17:25.29 | koen | nice one, tommie |
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| 17:35.50 | jsmanrique | hi again! |
| 17:37.27 | koen | oooh, EDS/e |
| 17:37.46 | koen | mallum: seems you get to work on all the coll stuff |
| 17:38.04 | koen | s/coll/cool/ |
| 17:38.08 | koen | hey jsmanrique |
| 17:38.31 | mallum | koen: :) |
| 17:39.07 | koen | I'd almost enlist in some CS courses |
| 17:40.20 | koen | mallum: any ETA on clutter hitting svn? |
| 17:40.36 | koen | hmmm |
| 17:40.54 | jsmanrique | I want a 770 :-D |
| 17:40.54 | koen | that sounds dubious :) |
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| 17:41.40 | jsmanrique | :-D |
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| 17:43.15 | mallum | koen: clutter is in svn |
| 17:43.19 | mallum | koen: just hidden |
| 17:43.25 | koen | aha |
| 17:43.30 | mallum | koen: you really dont want to touch it yet |
| 17:43.30 | koen | smoke and mirrors |
| 17:43.33 | jsmanrique | mallum: is 770 using the mb-keyboard? |
| 17:43.40 | mallum | jsmanrique: no |
| 17:43.54 | jsmanrique | mallum: I see |
| 17:44.06 | jsmanrique | mallum: that explains the keyboard screenshots |
| 17:44.50 | koen | mallum: projects.o-hand.com/matchbox runs pyblosxom? |
| 17:45.53 | mallum | koen: unfortunatly yes |
| 17:46.10 | bedboi | hey, anyone can tell me how to make a timer with glib (not GTimer)? I need that after "t" ms a callback function is called |
| 17:46.46 | koen | mallum: I'm having mixed feelings about it too |
| 17:46.57 | koen | I'm considering wordpress |
| 17:47.16 | mallum | koen: wordpress seems very nice for me |
| 17:49.00 | koen | can it ante-date a posting? |
| 17:49.57 | bedboi | oh, it seems that is g_timeout_* |
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| 17:54.09 | florian | re |
| 17:54.21 | koen | hey florian |
| 17:54.29 | jsmanrique | florian: hi! |
| 17:59.33 | jsmanrique | will someone be in the GUADEC? |
| 18:01.26 | jsmanrique | will someone be in the GUADEC? |
| 18:01.41 | jsmanrique | http://www.linuxgreenhouse.org/blog/tim/win-an-internet-tablet-at-guadec.html |
| 18:01.55 | florian | in or attend? |
| 18:02.28 | jsmanrique | attend I think |
| 18:03.07 | florian | :-) |
| 18:05.16 | koen | jsmanrique: http://maemo.org/news/25052005.html |
| 18:05.17 | koen | aha |
| 18:05.33 | koen | http://2005.guadec.org/schedule/speakers.html#speaker-carlos-guerreiro |
| 18:05.33 | koen | I spoke to him at FOSDEM |
| 18:07.35 | jsmanrique | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.23 | koen | jsmanrique: get in line :) |
| 18:08.31 | mallum | koen: I speak to him most days ;) |
| 18:08.49 | jsmanrique | koen: is already possible? |
| 18:08.58 | jsmanrique | I am not a developer (just localization) :-D |
| 18:10.48 | jsmanrique | koen: a Nokia 770 .. $99???? |
| 18:10.56 | jsmanrique | just $99? |
| 18:11.15 | koen | it seems that way |
| 18:15.18 | florian | ibot: convert 99 EUR to USD |
| 18:15.38 | florian | ibot: change 99 EUR to USD |
| 18:15.52 | koen | not too pricey |
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| 18:16.20 | Toni | what's $99? |
| 18:16.33 | koen | I misread that |
| 18:16.36 | koen | it's E99 |
| 18:16.49 | koen | the "developor" price for the 770 |
| 18:16.56 | Toni | where did you read that from? |
| 18:17.26 | koen | http://maemo.org/news/25052005.html |
| 18:17.32 | koen | only 500 units :( |
| 18:17.48 | Toni | I have two already ;) |
| 18:18.00 | florian | that's quite a number... |
| 18:18.06 | florian | Toni: heh |
| 18:18.29 | koen | Toni: you bastard!!! |
| 18:18.43 | mickeyl | mallum,florian,RP: i guess you won't be able to get us OE developers special prices? |
| 18:19.05 | florian | mickeyl: follow the link... |
| 18:20.51 | koen | Maintainer: Luc Piochon <luc.piochon@nokia.com> |
| 18:20.54 | koen | hmmmm |
| 18:21.13 | jsmanrique | Toni: tow nokia 770? |
| 18:21.24 | jsmanrique | :-D |
| 18:21.44 | Toni | I work for one of the companies who developed the device |
| 18:21.53 | mickeyl | mail sent |
| 18:22.02 | jsmanrique | jsmanrique: mail sent too |
| 18:22.13 | jsmanrique | Toni: where are you from? |
| 18:22.14 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 18:23.05 | koen | florian: do you have .bbs for hildon? |
| 18:23.32 | florian | koen: not yet, but i'll start working an the oe integration next week i hope. |
| 18:23.59 | koen | I'll push some preliminary hildon .bbs tonight if that's ok |
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| 18:24.30 | florian | heh sure... |
| 18:24.45 | koen | florian: is that "our" luc? |
| 18:25.04 | koen | maintaining the deb sources for the 770? |
| 18:26.06 | florian | koen: yes... i met him in Helsinki in february. he was just before starting a new job :-) |
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| 18:56.28 | koen | hey ibot |
| 18:56.29 | koen | :) |
| 18:57.01 | mimecar | ibot: is a bot or an user ? |
| 18:57.56 | koen | it's a bot |
| 18:58.14 | mimecar | xDDD |
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| 18:59.19 | koen | hey pb_ |
| 18:59.35 | pb_ | evening all |
| 19:00.01 | florian | pb_: hi! |
| 19:00.05 | mimecar | hi pb_ |
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| 19:09.14 | mimecar | somebody knows |
| 19:09.29 | mimecar | if columns of todo app can be resized ? |
| 19:10.23 | florian | they do automatically... but it would be easy to enable this. |
| 19:11.46 | mimecar | If I write a long description |
| 19:11.48 | mimecar | they do |
| 19:12.03 | mimecar | but I can't see due date |
| 19:12.27 | mimecar | I can see it scrolling, but I want see all datas at the same time |
| 19:13.00 | florian | hmm right... we should make it scrollable. |
| 19:13.17 | mimecar | or changeable |
| 19:13.29 | mimecar | I prefer see status, description and date |
| 19:18.00 | mimecar | florian: is colum size on some configuration file ? |
| 19:18.12 | bedboi | going home |
| 19:18.19 | florian | mimecar: no... |
| 19:18.47 | mimecar | :( |
| 19:23.03 | mimecar | well, at least i can see due data |
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| 19:36.48 | reenoo | evening |
| 19:37.32 | florian | hi reenoo |
| 19:37.50 | reenoo | hey florian |
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| 19:39.13 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 19:40.55 | reenoo | yo koen |
| 19:41.45 | reenoo | so, now we know what the nokia people have done gtk-webcore for, I guess (looking at the maemo screenies) |
| 19:43.29 | florian | reenoo: not really... the device currently doesn't use it. |
| 19:43.34 | mallum | reenoo: its opera |
| 19:44.50 | reenoo | ah, ok |
| 19:46.46 | mimecar | it looks that model is a pda more or less |
| 19:47.08 | mimecar | isn't a phone |
| 19:48.42 | mimecar | it works with gnome :) |
| 19:54.57 | reenoo | florian, mallum: happen to know what they're using for mail? |
| 19:55.55 | mallum | reenoo: not sure |
| 19:56.10 | florian | reenoo: iirc it is split into two processes. the mail backend is based on sylpheed and the frontend is new. |
| 19:59.48 | reenoo | florian: two processes? sounds like a GPL "workaround" to me ;) |
| 20:00.04 | reenoo | anyways. cool stuff. |
| 20:00.38 | florian | reenoo: yeah.. i remember it had something to do with alll this licensing stuff. |
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| 20:17.58 | mallum | koen: if I commit a fix for this dissapearing window thing, can you test ? |
| 20:18.32 | koen | not at the moment |
| 20:19.20 | mallum | koen: arg, I dont know if this fixes it anyway |
| 20:19.34 | mallum | koen: it is really stupidly hot here |
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| 20:23.39 | koen | hey cwiiis |
| 20:23.46 | cwiiis | Hey koen |
| 20:30.30 | Philippe | hello people |
| 20:30.59 | florian | hi Philippe |
| 20:31.07 | pb_ | hi Philippe |
| 20:31.12 | Philippe | hi florian , pb_ |
| 20:32.02 | Philippe | reenoo, I tried osb-browser. Doesn't work. (segfaults if you want to open a file + interface is useless on an Ipaq) |
| 20:44.36 | reenoo | Philippe: ah, too bad. the interface would be easy to fix, but I haven't been able to track down that sefault :/ |
| 20:46.33 | Philippe | reenoo, once I finished up my rewrite of gpe-help I will try to adapt the bb files to use the latest cvs of osb-browser.... (btw lots of nasty messages when you run the thing...Not yet implemented warning...) |
| 20:49.10 | koen | LOL |
| 20:49.14 | koen | PUG wars |
| 20:49.30 | Philippe | koen, PUG wars? |
| 20:50.42 | mallum | koen: ;) |
| 20:51.00 | mallum | koen: I checked in a fix, let Xora know if he appears |
| 20:51.36 | koen | Philippe: http://butterfeet.org/blog/ |
| 20:51.44 | koen | mallum: botmail? |
| 20:53.45 | Philippe | Well all PUG wars aside, I should try to get my hands on that 770? Anybody knows which OMAP is in there? |
| 20:54.31 | koen | 1710 |
| 20:54.36 | koen | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=11991&path=templatedata/cm/product/data/omap_1710 |
| 20:54.46 | koen | based on an arm926 |
| 20:55.40 | Philippe | nice... lots of functionality on one chip.... |
| 20:56.02 | pb_ | ah, one of the old ones. that's a bit of a shame. |
| 20:58.18 | reenoo | Philippe: hmm.. there should be .bb files for current CVS |
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| 20:59.42 | Philippe | reeno, I noticed it before I bought it. But the build environment that comes with it is pretty good... Built me a full image in +/- 20 minutes (you just need to love make -j5) |
| 21:01.46 | reenoo | Philippe: with a pre-built toolchain, I take it? |
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| 21:02.21 | Philippe | reenoo, no toolchain generation also (uclibc takes less time) |
| 21:02.48 | Philippe | of course a fast pc helps a lot :-) |
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| 21:06.21 | pb_ | very good |
| 21:06.52 | Philippe | reenoo, I will definitely test it... |
| 21:07.24 | florian | reenoo: oh nice! |
| 21:08.31 | reenoo | pb_: current OE requires an updated bitbake, is that correct? |
| 21:09.01 | Philippe | reenoo, I think so. I had problems, updated bitbake and everything worked fine again |
| 21:10.43 | reenoo | Philippe: thanks for confirming |
| 21:11.24 | Philippe | no prob |
| 21:14.53 | pb_ | reenoo: yeah |
| 21:15.06 | pb_ | I think you need the latest from svn. |
| 21:17.29 | koen | using svn will give you memory usage improvements too |
| 21:18.17 | reenoo | ~lart whoever is locking the OE repo |
| 21:21.24 | reenoo | still locked... |
| 21:23.47 | Philippe | bbl |
| 21:29.40 | florian | bbl |
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| 21:45.12 | Philippe | re |
| 21:45.16 | koen | Philippe: wb |
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| 21:46.36 | koen | bed time |
| 21:46.42 | koen | 'night all |
| 21:47.00 | rob_wpda | is it secure to update gconf-dbus? |
| 21:47.04 | Philippe | night koen |
| 21:52.05 | *** join/#gpe aboeglin (~aboeglin@213.154.79.4) |
| 22:15.14 | reenoo | Philippe: I've pushed the cvs .bbs |
| 22:15.44 | Philippe | reenoo, cool. I will try it later. I am trying my libgpewidget changes for the help system now. |
| 22:18.29 | reenoo | Philippe: cool |
| 23:06.21 | mallum | http://www.devicelinux.org/technologies/index.html |
| 23:07.10 | *** join/#gpe florian (~fuchs@p50928844.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:07.18 | florian | re |
| 23:07.36 | Philippe | mallum, is that not the same thing as the meame? |
| 23:08.42 | mallum | Philippe: well Im not sure |
| 23:09.56 | Philippe | florian, it seems that my small rewrite of libgpewidget (for the help) is okay. I am testing it more in detail now (and adding a help & button to gpe-edit to test it). So expect some patches tomorrow. |
| 23:11.13 | reenoo | mallum: Hildon is maemo specific isn't it? (they're listing it in their SDK diagram) |
| 23:11.28 | florian | Philippe: cool... i'm looking forward to it. |
| 23:13.30 | Philippe | Well everything is compiling now... goodnight |
| 23:13.39 | florian | Philippe: good night |
| 23:14.23 | reenoo | 'night Philippe |
| 23:20.03 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 23:25.10 | mallum | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8608661173.html |
| 23:28.39 | florian | mallum: that sounds pretty good :-) |
| 23:28.47 | mallum | yeah |
| 23:28.50 | koen | bleh, can't sleep |
| 23:34.46 | mallum | koen: I dont think Im going to be able to ever |
| 23:37.11 | *** join/#gpe pigeon (~pigeon@adsl-60-232.swiftdsl.com.au) |
| 23:38.59 | florian | heh... i just found out that we documented all four gpe libraries we use for the ported maemo apps. |
| 23:40.11 | florian | Do we want maemo support in our cvs? |
| 23:40.19 | koen | why not? |
| 23:40.27 | florian | I could pull the trigger :-) |
| 23:41.07 | koen | btw, I expect a "where gpe goes from now on" story from nils soon |
| 23:41.41 | florian | hmm yes - i thought about the a little bit. |
| 23:42.15 | florian | s/the/this |
| 23:42.29 | koen | since I heard a few "so GPE is dead?" questions from around the net |
| 23:43.07 | florian | Gpe is more alive then ever :-) |
| 23:43.22 | koen | so it just smells bad? |
| 23:44.29 | florian | I think maemo will help gpe development in several ways. For example there are pieces we could use for GPE. (libosso e.g.) |
| 23:45.15 | koen | while I'm at it: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12401&pid=81523&st=0&#entry81523 |
| 23:45.20 | florian | Another very positive effect is that there is another platform using GTK. |
| 23:45.31 | koen | how do we change default orientation for X? |
| 23:46.36 | koen | or debs for Xephyr |
| 23:46.41 | pigeon | i think i ended up having a per-user startup file somewhere for matchbox to run xrandr. |
| 23:46.50 | florian | heh... that gau looks familiar :-) |
| 23:46.55 | florian | eh guy |
| 23:47.11 | pigeon | iirc, if i change the X startup script not to use portrait, some other issues occured... but i couldn't remember what they were now... |
| 23:47.30 | koen | it more that it's 180 degrees inverted |
| 23:48.48 | florian | koen: In gpe we can do things which are not intended in maemo. e.g. screen rotation, simple themes and use mbdesktop. |
| 23:49.15 | koen | indeed |
| 23:49.22 | koen | and we need to make that very clear |
| 23:50.58 | zecke | my solaris now has a root pw |
| 23:51.08 | zecke | but no nic was found... |
| 23:51.23 | florian | yep... another importand difference is that gpe is intended to support small screens. the 770 has many many pixels to waste with nice looking but inactive stuff. |
| 23:52.05 | florian | zecke: solaris... oh well... that`s for really hard men ;-) |
| 23:52.13 | koen | now paste this in an email and sign it with "CU, nils" |
| 23:53.18 | mallum | koen: daniels mentioned having debs of xephyr |
| 23:53.28 | koen | a, cool |
| 23:53.39 | koen | http://www.snorp.net/log/index.php?p=46 |
| 23:53.46 | mallum | koen: if you install the modular xlib debs Xepher should be pretty trivial to build |
| 23:54.08 | koen | mono would need a good "unfuck the goddamn buildsystem" shouted in novell ears |
| 23:54.43 | florian | heh |
| 23:55.12 | koen | maybe the profanity would wake up the people in Utah |
| 23:55.23 | florian | what is a c1000? |
| 23:55.31 | koen | sharp zaurus |
| 23:55.42 | koen | clamshell, pxa270 pxafb |
| 23:55.58 | koen | and a grocery chain in the netherlands |
| 23:56.41 | mallum | netherlands ? |
| 23:56.52 | florian | :-) |
| 23:57.03 | florian | netterlands?;-) |
| 23:58.27 | koen | next to the tulips and windmills |
| 23:58.37 | mallum | and skunk plants |
| 23:59.03 | koen | tax deductable skunk plants |
| 23:59.30 | mallum | I would like to live in the nederlands |
| 23:59.35 | mallum | ( not for the skunk ) |
