| 00:00.04 | mimecar | Opie is more advance |
| 00:00.10 | mimecar | but GPE has many potencial |
| 00:01.20 | mimecar | where is gpe version ? |
| 00:01.37 | florian | right... opie had about 2 years more for development... but we are on the way :) |
| 00:01.45 | mimecar | yes |
| 00:01.54 | mimecar | it's a pity you can't run opie programs |
| 00:03.10 | mimecar | can I reboot gpe by software ? |
| 00:04.04 | florian | hmm... from a root terminal... just "reboot" |
| 00:04.26 | mimecar | command not found |
| 00:06.15 | florian | ~lart OZ |
| 00:06.45 | mimecar | Can I import ICS file ? |
| 00:07.14 | florian | mimecar: welll it should be safe to run "sync" and press the reset button. |
| 00:07.46 | florian | mimecar: no... but it is mostly a set of vcal files imho. this should be easy to implement then. |
| 00:08.11 | mimecar | ok |
| 00:08.18 | mimecar | I haven't ifconfig on terminal |
| 00:09.17 | florian | ah |
| 00:09.21 | florian | su - |
| 00:09.27 | florian | is your friend :-) |
| 00:09.47 | mimecar | I'm root |
| 00:10.18 | mimecar | I have iptables but no ifconfig |
| 00:10.21 | mimecar | xDDD |
| 00:11.15 | florian | yes... note the "-", it is important. |
| 00:11.50 | mimecar | yes |
| 00:11.54 | mimecar | why ? |
| 00:12.05 | mimecar | I'm root and I haven't command |
| 00:12.15 | mimecar | ifconfig usbf ? |
| 00:12.17 | florian | without it you are root but with the users environment - and the user doesn't have /sbin and /usr/sbin in its PATH. |
| 00:13.01 | florian | If you use "su -" to bacome root your environment is adjusted too... |
| 00:13.18 | mimecar | ok |
| 00:14.12 | mimecar | ifconfig usbf up |
| 00:14.26 | mimecar | No such device |
| 00:14.42 | mimecar | must I connect with usb cradle aren't you ? |
| 00:15.01 | florian | ah yes, that might be necessary |
| 00:15.15 | mimecar | I find reboot |
| 00:16.15 | mimecar | ok |
| 00:16.25 | mimecar | I must convert ics to vcal |
| 00:16.31 | mimecar | and import on calendar |
| 00:17.11 | florian | yep... |
| 00:17.47 | mimecar | I can import contacts |
| 00:17.55 | mimecar | but only one contact ;) |
| 00:18.52 | mimecar | Can I import all the contacts |
| 00:18.56 | mimecar | or only one ? |
| 00:19.10 | florian | same issue like ical... only one contact per file is supported at the moment. |
| 00:20.38 | mimecar | ok |
| 00:21.54 | mimecar | florian: I'm going to bed |
| 00:22.03 | mimecar | thanks for your time |
| 00:22.34 | florian | tht's gaood ide |
| 00:22.38 | florian | oaops |
| 00:22.48 | mimecar | It's 2:22 am |
| 00:22.53 | mimecar | zzzz |
| 00:22.56 | florian | that's agood idea |
| 00:23.01 | florian | saame here :-) |
| 00:23.09 | mimecar | where are you from ? |
| 00:23.14 | florian | goodnight |
| 00:23.18 | florian | AGaermanay |
| 00:23.29 | mimecar | near |
| 00:23.50 | florian | hell, my "a" key hangs |
| 00:24.02 | mimecar | xDD |
| 00:24.40 | mimecar | good night |
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| 10:12.49 | bedboi | hi all |
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| 11:14.22 | florian_ | morning |
| 11:14.30 | p0m | Hi florian_. |
| 11:16.23 | bedboi | hi florian_ |
| 11:18.00 | florian_ | Looks like the new DSL Modem does its job :-) |
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| 11:19.35 | p0m | Heh. |
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| 11:37.44 | bedboi | re |
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| 11:39.40 | koen | good afternoon all |
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| 11:46.53 | bedboi | hey koen |
| 11:47.32 | koen | hey bedboi |
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| 11:52.08 | bedboi | florian_: there? |
| 11:52.47 | bedboi | i'm separating code to handle db conversion from code needed by API |
| 11:54.31 | koen | would an API allow us to have arbritrary backends for storage? |
| 11:54.55 | koen | or would it "only" keep apps working if we change the db layout? |
| 12:07.20 | bedboi | it would be good having a middleware |
| 12:07.32 | bedboi | as ebook library does |
| 12:07.37 | bedboi | (the one implemented by evolution) |
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| 12:19.32 | koen | bedboi_: I was thinking about the the way opie handhelds it: a pim library with plugable backends |
| 12:19.50 | koen | dunno if ebook is the same |
| 12:24.24 | bedboi_ | hmmm |
| 12:24.37 | bedboi_ | today i peeked ebook lib |
| 12:24.48 | bedboi_ | it seems it has a meta sql language |
| 12:25.16 | bedboi_ | btw it's cool having a plugin structure |
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| 12:25.43 | bedboi_ | something like sqlite_plugin, xml_plugin, csv_plugin |
| 12:26.30 | koen | I haven't figured out if we want the app to set the backend |
| 12:26.57 | bedboi_ | i'm not saying that |
| 12:27.29 | bedboi_ | but if you want to store (from another application) one contact to an xml file you can do it by setting the right plugin |
| 12:28.12 | bedboi_ | gpe pim application will continue to use sqlite as backend |
| 12:28.27 | bedboi_ | at least it seems to be a good idea |
| 12:30.24 | bedboi_ | i think we should do a brainstorming for this stuff |
| 12:43.55 | bedboi | bbl |
| 12:43.56 | bedboi | bye |
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| 13:12.21 | reenoo | afternoon |
| 13:15.22 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 13:15.56 | reenoo | yo koen |
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| 13:18.15 | mimecar | hi |
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| 13:33.52 | spizkapa | hello people |
| 13:34.39 | spizkapa | quick question, is there any chance (other than rewriting) that an application that was developed with gtkmm (c++ bindings for gtk) will compile for Zaurus? |
| 13:34.54 | spizkapa | i.e. are there gtkmm libraries for arm? |
| 13:35.03 | pb_ | sure |
| 13:35.13 | pb_ | I think gtkmm is even in the feed, but if not it would be easy to compile |
| 13:35.33 | pb_ | there's nothing architecture-specific in there. |
| 13:36.02 | spizkapa | nice one, so far so good |
| 13:36.09 | spizkapa | but, can I also cross compile? |
| 13:38.06 | spizkapa | oh, and could someone point me in the direction of an existing application in gpe that uses gtkmm? |
| 13:38.24 | spizkapa | sorry to ask so many things... but I would have been wasting my time if I couldn' |
| 13:38.38 | spizkapa | t use this code for gpe |
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| 13:49.58 | florian_ | re |
| 13:56.14 | koen | florian_: wb |
| 13:56.26 | koen | spizkapa: minisip uses gtkmm |
| 13:57.05 | spizkapa | excellent, I will have a look at it in a moment. The basic issue is to figure out how to be able to crosscompile using gtkmm |
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| 14:00.43 | mimecar | hi |
| 14:00.59 | mimecar | what must i do to sync gpe with pc ? |
| 14:01.16 | koen | install multisync + gpe multisync plugin |
| 14:01.39 | mimecar | I haven't connection between zaurus and pc |
| 14:01.50 | mimecar | I haven't usb connection on zaurus |
| 14:02.05 | mimecar | it does not appear |
| 14:02.05 | koen | you can't sync without an TCP/IP connection |
| 14:02.21 | mimecar | I use usb cradle |
| 14:02.27 | spizkapa | read this: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPE-EthernetOverUSB?action=show |
| 14:02.48 | koen | and http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GpeSync |
| 14:02.49 | spizkapa | mimecar: I wrote that, though I haven't actually set up sync (yet) |
| 14:03.12 | mimecar | I haven't usbd0 tab (the first step) |
| 14:03.42 | spizkapa | that was my problem too, if you use the info from openzaurus.org, for some rason the usbd0 interface doesn't come up |
| 14:04.04 | mimecar | florian_: saids me yesterday I must up interface on terminal |
| 14:04.13 | spizkapa | so, follow the page I sent just now and make sure you do a full reboot for the interfaces to be loaded |
| 14:04.58 | mimecar | spizkapa: usb0 doesn't appear |
| 14:05.07 | spizkapa | after a FULL reboot, not just log out/in? |
| 14:05.15 | mimecar | I'm rebooting now |
| 14:05.59 | spizkapa | mimecar: as I said, also make sure you're starting the interfaces manually, not automatically as per the openzaurus site instructions |
| 14:07.10 | mimecar | usbd0 appears |
| 14:09.10 | mimecar | ping ok |
| 14:09.24 | spizkapa | nice one... |
| 14:10.01 | mimecar | wonderful |
| 14:11.09 | spizkapa | mimecar: are you online? |
| 14:11.14 | mimecar | one moment |
| 14:11.19 | mimecar | the last step |
| 14:11.20 | mimecar | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o eth1 --to 192.168.0.2 |
| 14:11.36 | mimecar | ip is 192.168.129.200 ? |
| 14:11.48 | spizkapa | in your case, it may be eth0, I have two eth interfaces |
| 14:12.03 | mimecar | eth0 |
| 14:12.09 | mimecar | yes, ip address ? |
| 14:12.18 | mimecar | my ip ? |
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| 14:12.38 | spizkapa | the --to should point to your IP address |
| 14:12.53 | spizkapa | the other one is the one you set in the network setup tab for the zaurus |
| 14:13.59 | mimecar | firewall of pc filters zaurus |
| 14:14.41 | spizkapa | check network tab on Z, have you disabled incoming connections? |
| 14:14.52 | mimecar | Zaurus -> Pc |
| 14:15.10 | mimecar | I'm at zaurus |
| 14:15.13 | mimecar | with ssh |
| 14:17.21 | mimecar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.37 | mimecar | How can i salid shorewall doesn't filter usb0 ? |
| 14:27.32 | mimecar | i can ping pc now |
| 14:27.48 | mimecar | but I can't ping google |
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| 14:34.00 | koen | pinging the pc is enough |
| 14:34.40 | mimecar | but I can't download gpe update |
| 14:39.40 | spizkapa | does anyone know where (which feed) I must use to get gtkmm for arm? |
| 14:40.30 | koen | don't know where those funny OZ people put |
| 14:41.30 | spizkapa | hmm, I have gnome, dev, devel, all sort of feeds installed but no gtkmm... |
| 14:42.05 | spizkapa | can I install a package from the familiar feeds in OZ? |
| 14:42.16 | reenoo | no |
| 14:44.43 | mimecar | spizkapa: have you test ipkg find ? |
| 14:45.01 | koen | that won't work either |
| 14:45.09 | koen | as OZ uses incompatible binaries |
| 14:45.12 | spizkapa | yes, found gtkkm (plus doc and dev) but couldn't download |
| 14:46.16 | spizkapa | I'll ask on #openzaurus, see what comes up |
| 14:47.51 | spizkapa | does this mean that all gpe people are on familiar? If so, can anyone say why? I don't know the first thing about familiar |
| 14:48.11 | koen | most of the gpe people are on familiar |
| 14:48.17 | koen | cwiiis is on OZ |
| 14:48.29 | koen | and I run OZ on my corgi |
| 14:49.10 | koen | familiar and OZ are pretty much the same, except for the fact that OZ uses incompatible binaries |
| 14:49.25 | spizkapa | I don't want to start a flame or anything but why do you choose between the two? As I said, I didnt know about familiar until having got OZ on my 5500 |
| 14:49.45 | koen | OZ is only for zauri |
| 14:49.47 | spizkapa | both equally committed open-source? |
| 14:50.09 | koen | see familiar.handhelds.org |
| 14:50.23 | koen | the gpe people come from the ipaq world |
| 14:50.52 | koen | which ran linux way before the zaurus even existed |
| 14:51.07 | spizkapa | oh, cool, but still familiar doesn't support my zaurus, right? |
| 14:51.12 | pb_ | spizkapa: openzaurus supports fewer platforms, but offers better performance than familiar on those machines that it does support. |
| 14:51.52 | pb_ | also, openzaurus has a more monolithic approach to releases than familiar, and doesn't make an effort to retain binary compatibility between releases, or with other distributions. |
| 14:53.42 | spizkapa | last I heard, OZ was the only free os for the Z5500, so I guess I don't have much choice here |
| 14:53.58 | koen | familiar runs on the collie too |
| 14:54.13 | koen | although it isn't heavily tested |
| 14:54.18 | spizkapa | really? I'm sorry, I didn't know that |
| 14:54.21 | koen | and, as pb_ said, it's slower |
| 14:55.05 | mimecar | koen: I'm testing |
| 14:55.07 | mimecar | :) |
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| 15:00.47 | koen | hey tigrux |
| 15:01.02 | tigrux | Hello koen! |
| 15:13.34 | spizkapa | just realised, gtkmm depends on libsigc++ which I also cannot find an ipk for in the openzaurus feeds... |
| 15:14.24 | spizkapa | I guess that means that gtkmm development is out of the question for OZ... |
| 15:17.35 | koen | I think the ipkg is just hidden in some non-obvious OZ feed |
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| 15:36.50 | reenoo | spizkapa: best take that up with #openzaurus |
| 15:37.24 | reenoo | large parts of their feeds are broken/incomplete |
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| 16:32.05 | bedboi | hi all |
| 16:32.45 | koen | hey bedboi |
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| 16:50.21 | bedboi | hi koen |
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| 17:10.47 | spizkapa-Z | hello |
| 17:12.21 | spizkapa-Z | this is weird, xchat keeps dying on me |
| 17:13.29 | spizkapa-Z | bummer |
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| 17:14.35 | spizkapa | aha, so today hasn't been a complete waste of time, at least bitchX on the Z works now... |
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| 17:16.40 | koen | spizkapa: gaim works to for irc |
| 17:17.16 | spizkapa | koen: except that the gui is not usable, I tried it but couldn't get it working for the 5500 |
| 17:18.35 | koen | ah yes, I only tried it on 640x480 |
| 17:19.02 | spizkapa | I actually wanted to fix that but decided to start with something else first... |
| 17:19.18 | spizkapa | though it seems I chose to use gtkmm and have to now change it all over again |
| 17:21.40 | koen | I'll bitbake minisip and put gtkmm + libsigc++ online when it finishes |
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| 17:22.06 | spizkapa | koen: dude, that would be awsome, I definitely appreciate the help |
| 17:22.28 | koen | it might take some hours, though |
| 17:22.55 | spizkapa | in case you're wondering, I'm actually developing a password manager which I hope to put into gpe eventualy |
| 17:23.03 | koen | cool |
| 17:23.04 | spizkapa | it'll use gpgme |
| 17:24.19 | spizkapa | koen: how come it is so slow? (bearing in mind I know hardly anything about bitbake) |
| 17:24.48 | koen | It will build a toolchain + glibc + gtk + glib |
| 17:25.27 | spizkapa | aha, gotcha, maybe I ought to get my head around bitbake after all |
| 17:27.05 | koen | bitbake is only worth it when you want to crosscompile lots of (prepackaged) stuff |
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| 18:04.59 | koen | florian: welcome back |
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| 19:03.23 | molivier | _spizkapa_, hi, does your password manager application is available ? |
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| 19:55.08 | koen | hey florian |
| 19:55.19 | pb_ | hi florian |
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| 20:39.35 | mimecar | hi |
| 20:44.20 | florian | hi mimecar |
| 20:44.29 | mimecar | hi florian |
| 20:44.35 | mimecar | I can ping gpe now :) |
| 20:44.41 | mimecar | and work with ssh |
| 20:48.33 | florian | ah cool |
| 20:49.13 | koen | only 3 nights left till the pressrelease |
| 20:49.40 | mimecar | pressrelease ? |
| 20:49.46 | florian | *yawn* |
| 20:50.00 | koen | florian told he'd do a pressrelease on wednesday |
| 20:50.41 | mimecar | with gpe ? |
| 20:51.13 | koen | no idea :) |
| 20:51.59 | mimecar | I have work with gpe today |
| 20:52.02 | florian | no... not me and not gpe |
| 20:52.17 | mimecar | it's very usable |
| 20:54.50 | mimecar | but clock doesn't update some times |
| 20:55.13 | mimecar | or some bars appear on the top of the screen |
| 20:55.21 | florian | hrm... |
| 20:55.39 | mimecar | one question |
| 20:55.47 | mimecar | how can I start weeks on monday ? |
| 20:56.10 | florian | pb_: Do you have a clever idea how to make gpe-clock transparent? |
| 20:58.54 | florian | hmm.. my weeks start monday |
| 20:59.42 | mimecar | some times, on calendar widget, the first day is sunday |
| 21:00.27 | mimecar | Can I use copy and paste with gpe ? |
| 21:01.23 | florian | mimecar: ah... right, it might depend on the locale... but i'm not sure. |
| 21:02.13 | mimecar | don't worry |
| 21:03.38 | mimecar | I will be able to develop on holidays |
| 21:04.57 | florian | mimecar: yes... you can use it with tab+hold, with a keyboard (if you have) and with the second mouse button using the button modificator. |
| 21:05.34 | mimecar | great |
| 21:05.42 | mimecar | I'll add that applet |
| 21:14.08 | mimecar | good night |
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| 21:23.50 | pb_ | florian: no, not really. I think the only real solution is to use an ARGB window and a working compositor. |
| 21:24.59 | florian | pb_: oh... that sounds not that trivial. |
| 21:25.33 | pb_ | indeed |
| 21:25.59 | pb_ | you could switch off matchbox's compositor and use xcompmgr, but I gather the performance is not too good (and mallum would probably never speak to you again). |
| 21:26.13 | pb_ | I'm not sure what is involved in making gpe-clock use an alpha channel for its window. |
| 21:26.26 | koen | stealing code from fdoclock? |
| 21:26.44 | pb_ | pardon? |
| 21:27.03 | koen | fdoclock can do all that ARGB stuff, right? |
| 21:27.15 | pb_ | yeah, but it isn't a gtk program |
| 21:27.24 | florian | heh |
| 21:27.25 | koen | ah |
| 21:28.17 | pb_ | that said, the thing of using a GtkLabel for the clock display doesn't work all that well anyway. |
| 21:28.31 | pb_ | so, maybe it would be better to use some custom widget with a (shock horror) cairo renderer. |
| 21:29.13 | pb_ | I don't think it would be terribly hard to implement that, but then of course mallum would never speak to _me_ again. |
| 21:29.15 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:29.23 | florian | *g* |
| 21:29.27 | florian | oh well... |
| 21:29.54 | pb_ | I might have a play with that in my copious spare time. |
| 21:30.33 | pb_ | in a similar vein, I keep meaning to dust off the old minibat argb transparency code and try to make that work properly. |
| 21:30.40 | florian | In fact it would be much easier if we had a cairo release to base on... |
| 21:31.06 | koen | didn't they release 0.5 as a snap? |
| 21:31.19 | pb_ | yeah, there have been several cairo snapshot releases. |
| 21:31.30 | pb_ | I'm not convinced that having a "release" really makes any difference. |
| 21:31.43 | koen | mreimer pointed me to the "porting" guide I mailed the list |
| 21:32.13 | florian | right... we have a similar situation with libmimedir. |
| 21:32.43 | koen | pb_: we could just pick a cvsdate and add an anchered down .bb for it |
| 21:32.54 | pb_ | florian: yeah. well, libmimedir is a bit worse, because it seems to be abandoned upstream. |
| 21:33.11 | pb_ | and the upstream version is broken, so you need to use this special patched one. |
| 21:36.46 | florian | pb_: there are several fixes and in cvs... i mailed its maintainer about the status and a release but never got a reply :-( |
| 21:37.20 | koen | pb_: mallum tracked down the tslib problem in kdrive and said he'd hassle keithp about it |
| 21:39.01 | pb_ | florian: :-( |
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| 22:11.51 | koen | hey DougT |
| 22:12.01 | koen | any exciting news on the minimo front? |
| 22:12.27 | DougT | just trucking along. should be landing a build with spatial navigation soon. |
| 22:12.46 | DougT | that will allow you to use the "joypad" to shift focus around. |
| 22:13.36 | koen | ah yes, I read about that somewhere |
| 22:15.08 | DougT | i would love to start getting feedback from the gpe community on features and bugs that they experience |
| 22:15.15 | DougT | so far, i haven't heard very much. |
| 22:15.35 | koen | memory consumption is one thing |
| 22:15.52 | koen | but that would be a though one to 'fix' |
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| 22:17.33 | reenoo | lack of essential features is another. in the version shipped with 0.8.2 not even the back button works... (haven't got to building/installing anything more recent, I'm afraid.) |
| 22:20.23 | koen | spizkapa: gtkmm ipkg should be in http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/sfeed/ now |
| 22:20.59 | koen | spizkapa: I haven't updated the index yet, so you have to get the packages by hand |
| 22:21.20 | reenoo | heh. neat. gpe-life is actually "usable" on the ipaq |
| 22:21.46 | koen | useab;e = works + not slow? |
| 22:21.59 | pb_ | koen: maybe you could consider uploading this stuff to unstable, rather than just putting it in your own feed |
| 22:21.59 | koen | s:;:l: |
| 22:22.17 | koen | pb_: I'll do that for stuff that isn't softfloat |
| 22:22.47 | pb_ | okay, very good |
| 22:23.10 | koen | the main reason for not uploading was the fact my gpg isn't on the buildmachine (yet) |
| 22:24.16 | reenoo | koen: right. even with a fairly large field (board?, map?, ???) it's pretty fast and doesn't consume 100% cpu |
| 22:24.36 | koen | reenoo: habitat? |
| 22:25.30 | reenoo | koen: possibly. I don't know. |
| 22:25.53 | koen | reenoo: me neither :) |
| 22:26.59 | koen | ah, I may have some tiime wednesday to gdb gpdf |
| 22:28.15 | reenoo | gdb has the nasty habit of producing non-sensical backtraces here :/ |
| 22:28.39 | reenoo | as in line numbers and function names don't even remotely match |
| 22:28.48 | koen | D'oh |
| 22:29.16 | koen | the backtrace on kdrive seemed to be pretty accurate |
| 22:29.42 | reenoo | native gdb or gdb-server? |
| 22:29.57 | koen | native |
| 22:30.21 | koen | ipkg -dest home |
| 22:30.36 | koen | since my home partition is 7mb larger as the root partition |
| 22:30.40 | koen | ~lart sharp |
| 22:30.57 | koen | 'night all |
| 22:31.09 | reenoo | 'night koen |
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| 23:07.52 | molivier | spizkapa, hi, does your password manager application is available ? |
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