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| 01:39.25 | x0rf0o | hello! anyone alive? |
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| 08:58.28 | koen|away | A8 |
| 08:58.46 | koen|away | good morning all |
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| 10:17.33 | Philippe | morning all |
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| 14:19.36 | koen|cgi | good afternoon all |
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| 14:38.34 | reenoo | hey koen|cgi |
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| 15:55.22 | x0rf0o | hello everyone! |
| 16:00.00 | x0rf0o | I got T-sinus. I am trying to put gpe-image-simpad-20050115123650.rootfs.jffs2 using serload utility (loader14_bl is there) but.. there is no output from serload after "Serial download entered.". Should I wait for some time or review my installation procedure? |
| 16:03.00 | rob_w | hmm i dont know exactly |
| 16:03.05 | rob_w | does it get stuck ? |
| 16:03.31 | rob_w | i guess about 20 mb will take some time |
| 16:07.36 | x0rf0o | rob_w well there is no progress bar or sth. I am confused. I do not know if it is really doing anything. |
| 16:08.37 | x0rf0o | rob_w 11.5 minutes - no sign of life. |
| 16:10.16 | x0rf0o | rob_w maybe I should use bootload 2.5.1 instead of 1.4? And is it normal behaviour not to show anything? (I know boot loader can not know about size of image being downloaded, but on the other hand there should be some indicator) |
| 16:17.30 | x0rf0o | I calculated that the download should take 24 min. so there is still hope. |
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| 16:35.42 | Yog | serload should display a progress bar, when it uploads to the simpad |
| 16:44.47 | Yog | i'm trying to build an image, just checked it the tree with bk. many of the downloads are outdated and do not work any more. is there any other way than to manually patch all packages descs and download the old sources from somewhere, where they are still available ? |
| 16:47.05 | rob_w | use something like CVSDATE_xdpyinfo=20050112 fe |
| 16:47.13 | rob_w | in the local.conf |
| 16:48.03 | Yog | ah, thanks. any other useful hints ? ;-) |
| 16:48.36 | rob_w | well, |
| 16:58.55 | mickey|newspaper | x0rf0o: the new OE images no longer support the SIEMENS bootloader. You need to put the handhelds.org bootldr on it, although - refer to opensimpad.org for that - i'm not sure if we ever produced a T-Sinus compatible version |
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| 17:11.06 | Yog | mickeyl: but the bloader 2.5.1 from opensimpad.org will work for the cl4 ?! |
| 17:11.23 | mickeyl | with the old images, yes |
| 17:11.27 | mickeyl | with the new ones, no |
| 17:12.03 | mickeyl | better ask simpad-general@lists.sf.net though |
| 17:12.10 | mickeyl | most people are using bootldr now |
| 17:17.45 | koen | ~lart me for not putting the needed files on my laptopr |
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| 17:22.34 | Yog | either i'm too stupid, or the simpad is not mentioned the one handhelds.org website descriptions for the bootldr ?! |
| 17:23.36 | koen | trie opiesimpad.org |
| 17:23.38 | koen | ehm |
| 17:23.41 | koen | opensimpad.org |
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| 17:24.38 | Yog | but opensimpad.org only has bloader2.5.1 for the cl4, which according to mickeyl no longer works for recent gpe images ?! |
| 17:26.23 | x0rf0o | Yog same problem here. brand new t-sinus. tried loaders 2.5.1 and bootloader-1.4. |
| 17:26.51 | mickeyl | you really should take that up to simpad-general@lists.sf.net or wait until pb_ is here to tell if there is a working bootldr for 16mb devices or not |
| 17:27.04 | x0rf0o | Yog no effect. "Serial download entered." that is it. |
| 17:27.07 | mickeyl | there was a lot of discussion before the opensimpad.org forum closed down, read that |
| 17:27.22 | x0rf0o | mickeyl thx |
| 17:27.34 | zecke | mickeyl: oh it was closed? |
| 17:27.40 | x0rf0o | Yog thx 4 asking rith question :) |
| 17:27.48 | mickeyl | yes, i pestered the people to use the forums @ oesf.org |
| 17:27.57 | zecke | mickeyl: ah yeah ok |
| 17:27.58 | mickeyl | i didn't like the forum in the first place |
| 17:28.12 | lardman | not the people I trust? |
| 17:28.22 | lardman | ;) |
| 17:28.23 | mickeyl | ? |
| 17:28.34 | lardman | you didn't like the forum |
| 17:28.39 | mickeyl | yes, the opensimpad.org forum |
| 17:28.53 | lardman | oh sorry, got wrong end of conversation |
| 17:28.57 | mickeyl | heh, nm |
| 17:29.01 | lardman | I'll go back to sleep ;) |
| 17:29.45 | lardman | bye all |
| 17:29.57 | mickeyl | g'night |
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| 17:37.11 | Yog | For a week now I'm trying to get hold on a recent gpe-image for my cl4. I must admit that this is one of the hardest tasks I've ever done ... so many hurdles and broken things ... ;--( |
| 17:38.16 | koen | ask pb_, nilsf or florian about it |
| 17:39.41 | Yog | koen: thanks, I will try when they're around here |
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| 17:42.27 | mickeyl | both opensimpad.org maintainers sold their pads, so we're looking for someone new to become active in OE |
| 17:43.36 | stealth | does gpdf work yet? |
| 17:44.04 | koen | stealth: depends where you run it |
| 17:44.10 | koen | it works on my workstation |
| 17:44.21 | stealth | in gpe |
| 17:44.22 | koen | but crashes on text-pdfs on my ipaq and z |
| 17:44.25 | stealth | ipaq |
| 17:44.29 | stealth | yea me too |
| 17:44.57 | koen | I suspect it misses a) ghostscript or b) fonts |
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| 17:45.43 | koen | or c) something else |
| 17:45.47 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 17:45.56 | stealth | i get an error from libgnome-vfs |
| 17:47.01 | stealth | i really want pdfs on my ipaq, plucker just dosent do it for me |
| 17:47.42 | skopii | anyone in the .de have you heard of the new phone from HTC ( HTC universal or "TMobile MDA IV), or perhaps anything about it? |
| 17:47.56 | koen | the clamshell one? |
| 17:48.12 | skopii | yes |
| 17:48.45 | skopii | It is not released in the US yet, but it looks quite promising. The first thought that came to mind was familiar |
| 17:50.06 | koen | http://www.nieuwemobiel.nl/images/toestellen/T-mobile_MDA_IV.jpg |
| 17:50.12 | bedboi | hi all |
| 17:51.33 | zecke | skopii: www.road-gmbh.de |
| 17:51.48 | skopii | koen, are you in .de? |
| 17:51.51 | koen | mickey|dinner: bon appetit |
| 17:51.53 | mickey|dinner | merci |
| 17:51.58 | koen | skopii: no, but close to it :) |
| 17:52.11 | koen | zecke: fix new screenshots |
| 17:52.27 | skopii | woah, I almost lagged out there |
| 17:52.29 | skopii | heh |
| 17:52.46 | skopii | all of a sudden my screen flooded w/ 8 lines of text |
| 17:52.46 | zecke | koen: they do not yet self host the site... |
| 17:53.04 | zecke | koen: it is outlook via the NX server ;) |
| 17:53.11 | koen | heh |
| 17:53.29 | bedboi | i never look out :) |
| 17:54.38 | koen | pxa263, is that pxa250 + strataflash or pxa255 + strataflash? |
| 17:57.05 | zecke | koen: 255+32bit wide flash |
| 17:57.09 | skopii | zecke, you wouldn't happen to know the cost of the S101? |
| 17:57.28 | zecke | no prices are not yet finalised |
| 17:57.38 | skopii | is this your company? |
| 17:57.53 | skopii | I am still reading the site |
| 17:57.59 | zecke | no I'm a student, but doing an Intern there |
| 17:58.08 | zecke | internship even.. or whatever it is called |
| 17:58.27 | skopii | i understood |
| 17:58.38 | skopii | is there a version w/ 128MB ram? |
| 17:59.49 | zecke | skopii: I think we plan to do deliver it with 64MB, but we can go for 128mb easily |
| 18:00.57 | skopii | zecke, it looks very promising. Except it will probably be quite expensive as it's marketed towards business |
| 18:01.28 | zecke | expensive dunno, but it is surely marketed towards business |
| 18:01.52 | zecke | and with S101K even for highly trusted communication |
| 18:02.02 | skopii | from my experiance at least, anything marketed towards mid-Large corp. is expensive |
| 18:02.04 | stealth | how large is minimo, installed? |
| 18:02.28 | skopii | zecke, I will be on the look out for this device. Thanks |
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| 18:05.29 | koen | stealth: 3 - 8 mb, depending where you install it |
| 18:11.42 | reenoo | zecke: hmm, will a future version have gprs/umts? |
| 18:13.26 | zecke | reenoo: GPRS is included |
| 18:13.44 | zecke | reenoo: For UMTS there are plans |
| 18:13.55 | zecke | reenoo: for now the modem can do EDGE and quad band |
| 18:14.40 | koen | UMTS/WCDMA or WCDMA or UTMS? |
| 18:15.19 | zecke | koen: 'plans' no selection of a modem manufacteurer yet |
| 18:15.44 | reenoo | zecke: ah, must have missed that on the website. sounds cool then :) |
| 18:15.48 | koen | I had a chat about umts yesterday |
| 18:16.15 | koen | currently the SE Z1010 is the 'best' option |
| 18:16.48 | koen | if you can stand the symbian thingie |
| 18:17.57 | zecke | koen: from a security point of view symbian is even more insecure than Windows CE :} |
| 18:18.49 | koen | zecke: all those UIs annoy me |
| 18:19.25 | zecke | koen: annoy and beeing exploited remotely are two different topics ;) |
| 18:19.29 | koen | I want quick access to functions like bluetooth and obex-push |
| 18:25.50 | koen | zecke: being exploited can be annoying too :) |
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| 18:29.21 | koen | hey beewoolie-afk |
| 18:30.16 | beewoolie-afk | Hey man |
| 18:30.33 | koen | hmmm |
| 18:30.45 | beewoolie-afk | Alright.. will the real koen please stand up |
| 18:30.47 | koen | I should look at that utf8 thing soon |
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| 18:47.43 | mallum | hey |
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| 18:54.38 | koen | hey mallum |
| 19:23.21 | mallum | koen: hey |
| 19:23.35 | mallum | koen: oh I flashed that GPE image , worked nicely , thanks :) |
| 19:29.28 | koen | mallum: If thunderbird didn't mess up I should have posted a message to the mailinglist about deprecating keylaunch |
| 19:29.58 | koen | (can't check it, since my home cable connection is down) |
| 19:36.48 | mallum | koen: I'll check, one sec |
| 19:37.57 | mallum | koen: yeah its there |
| 19:38.13 | koen | cool, thanks for checking |
| 19:44.30 | Yog | while waiting for an answer if there's a bootloader for my cl4, I'm still trying to build an image |
| 19:45.07 | Yog | however I just fail at the second package with an error. output is here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/C54flM69.html |
| 19:45.18 | Yog | cp: cannot create regular file `/oe/build/tmp/work/gnu-config-native-0.1cvs0050430-r3/./gnu-configize.in': No such file or directory |
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| 19:45.55 | koen | that's a strange cvsdate |
| 19:46.09 | koen | the error is being causes by savannah giving us crap again |
| 19:47.41 | Yog | I set the date to that in the .bb file, as it tried to download a version with the date from today which didn't exists. but using the cvs with todays date gave the same error |
| 19:48.04 | koen | try something from last week |
| 19:48.11 | koen | oesources.org should have that mirrored |
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| 19:52.59 | zecke | Yog: yes there are |
| 19:53.05 | dc__ | how folks |
| 19:53.08 | dc__ | *hey |
| 19:54.21 | koen | hey dc__ |
| 19:54.29 | Yog | zecke: you mean a bootloader supporting jffs2 on a cl4 ? where can I find it ? |
| 19:54.33 | dc__ | I passed my test now and have a car :) |
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| 19:57.37 | koen | dc__: congrats! |
| 19:57.46 | dc__ | it's uber... |
| 19:57.58 | dc__ | now I'm planning to put my mythbox inside it. |
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| 20:02.07 | Yog | can I just deleted unwanted packages from the /packages directory, or do I have to modify the local.conf ? |
| 20:02.31 | koen | both |
| 20:02.44 | koen | depends on how much you want to mess up your OE tree |
| 20:03.10 | koen | BBMASK = "(qt|opie|qp|kde)" should work |
| 20:03.43 | Yog | just want to speed up bitbake ... I would just delete the directories where I'm quite sure that I don't want and need them |
| 20:04.06 | Yog | e.g. I don't want to compile a browser for my gpe-image |
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| 20:08.51 | x0rf0o | pb_ hello, Yog and I've been told that you could possibly enlighten us on simpad CL4 bootloader to run latest gpe images, could you? |
| 20:09.42 | pb_ | x0rf0o: I think zecke would be your man for that. |
| 20:13.03 | x0rf0o | zacke: can you provide some help as pb_ suggests? which bootloader is righteous for t-sinus? |
| 20:14.32 | zecke | x0rf0o: T-Sinus has only less flash right? |
| 20:15.22 | Yog | the cl4/T-Sinus has 16MB, yes |
| 20:15.25 | x0rf0o | zecke 32 ram 16 flash, it is a 'half-memmory-chopped one copy of SL4'. |
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| 20:16.18 | zecke | x0rf0o: I've the bootldr source from pb_, I could send it to you as well |
| 20:16.43 | zecke | x0rf0o: the issue is I can't answer if it will work on a T-Sinus |
| 20:17.29 | x0rf0o | zecke so how this source differ from one in CVS? |
| 20:17.55 | Yog | I have no working arm compiler tool chain |
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| 20:18.24 | zecke | x0rf0o: it has support for the SIMpad |
| 20:18.25 | x0rf0o | Yog: me too. but it is not so hard to build one tonight ;-) |
| 20:18.47 | x0rf0o | s/too/neither/g (or sth) |
| 20:19.26 | x0rf0o | x0rf0o: oh! ;-) c0ol. |
| 20:19.46 | pb_ | I'm not sure I'd recommend you to flash one of these bootloaders onto a CL4/T-Sinus unless you have jtag capability. I don't think anyone has successfully tested on those machines yet. |
| 20:19.48 | x0rf0o | zecke this one was to you ;) |
| 20:20.19 | x0rf0o | pb_ no jtag here ;( |
| 20:21.22 | pb_ | x0rf0o: well, obviously it's up to you if you want to go ahead and flash anyway. I think the risk of turning your cl4 into a brick is small, but there certainly is a risk. |
| 20:21.22 | Yog | no jtag here either ... are there really so few people owning a cl4 ? |
| 20:21.43 | x0rf0o | hmm. so.. what was the 'last known working configuration'? I meant bootloader_version/image_name? |
| 20:22.01 | pb_ | I don't think there has ever been a known working cl4 configuration. |
| 20:24.57 | pb_ | You could check with mickey|dinner. He's some kind of simpadmeister. |
| 20:25.42 | x0rf0o | pb_ he is the one that told us to talk to you ;) |
| 20:26.06 | pb_ | oh, heh |
| 20:27.31 | x0rf0o | so how far does zImage kernel from opensimpad take me to? Can I mount root via NFS using orinoco compatible pcmcia-cs? (I mean AFTER I hardcode some parameters into kernel's image)? |
| 20:27.46 | zecke | pb_: he selled his SIMpad |
| 20:27.50 | pb_ | zecke: ah |
| 20:27.57 | zecke | ouch |
| 20:27.58 | zecke | sold even |
| 20:27.59 | zecke | damn |
| 20:28.01 | pb_ | x0rf0o: no, you'd need a ramdisk for that |
| 20:28.01 | zecke | damn |
| 20:28.04 | pb_ | zecke: heh |
| 20:28.15 | pb_ | our crazy language |
| 20:28.48 | zecke | x0rf0o: Yog : It is quite easy to hook JTAG up |
| 20:29.03 | dc__ | hey pb_! |
| 20:29.24 | pb_ | dc__: hey! |
| 20:29.30 | zecke | pb_: English can be easy, but IRC turns my English... |
| 20:29.38 | pb_ | dc__: haven't seen you here for a while |
| 20:29.47 | pb_ | zecke: ah, it does that to everyone |
| 20:30.06 | dc__ | pb_: indeed...I've been working. college. |
| 20:30.12 | dc__ | exams start on wednesday |
| 20:30.32 | pb_ | ah, crumbs. good luck with those. |
| 20:30.46 | zecke | yeah good luck |
| 20:31.19 | zecke | x0rf0o: Yog : I had a 16mb flash version, flashed to my SL4 |
| 20:31.42 | zecke | x0rf0o: Yog and it found 16mb, so chanches are good it wil work on 16MB devices as well |
| 20:32.20 | dc__ | indeed. |
| 20:32.21 | pb_ | ah, yeah, that's encouraging. |
| 20:32.21 | Yog | zecke: you mean a gpe image ? |
| 20:32.32 | pb_ | the original problem on cl4 was that it was spuriously detecting 32MB of flash. |
| 20:36.28 | Yog | xOrf0o: btw, that's the ideal image I want as well: some kernel with minimal root or initrd setting up wlan, then mounting / via nfs |
| 20:38.58 | pb_ | dc__: are your university applications all done? |
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| 20:46.55 | dc__ | pb_: not going till next year |
| 20:47.09 | dc__ | pb_: I'm spending next year doing computing A2. |
| 20:47.16 | dc__ | and hopefully getting a job |
| 20:47.28 | dc__ | I'll have lots of spare time again though which will be nice. |
| 20:47.51 | pb_ | ah, right, cool. why didn't you do computing a2 this year? |
| 20:48.07 | dc__ | I foolishly dropped it for engineering last year |
| 20:48.27 | pb_ | heh |
| 20:48.28 | dc__ | I wasn't planning on going anywhere in my gap year. so it's not too bad. |
| 20:48.29 | pb_ | oh well |
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| 21:47.12 | koen | reenoo: ep3 or another part of the sw saga? |
| 21:47.31 | reenoo | episode VI on tv |
| 21:48.32 | koen | aha |
| 21:50.05 | koen | that's the one with ewoks? |
| 21:50.27 | reenoo | that's "return of the jedi", yeah |
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| 21:56.16 | florian | hi all |
| 21:57.07 | koen | hey florian |
| 21:57.21 | reenoo | hey florian |
| 21:58.10 | reenoo | koen: still pondering whether and if so when to see episode III |
| 21:58.52 | koen | reenoo: I'm still undecided between cinema or a backup from the internet |
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| 21:59.42 | reenoo | backup? *cough* |
| 21:59.46 | reenoo | oh well |
| 22:01.48 | reenoo | I also have to decide which "Hauptstudiumsprojekt" (two year project at university) to chose (which is obviously more of a problem than the episode III thing) |
| 22:02.25 | koen | ah, that's what we call a "master" now |
| 22:02.50 | koen | they changed the whole terminolgy after I started |
| 22:03.30 | koen | I know where I want to do it, but not what... |
| 22:05.15 | reenoo | well, robocup rescue, wearable computing/augmented reality, and development of an aircraft OS API on top of Linux are all good candidates. kind of hard to choose from... |
| 22:08.50 | reenoo | zecke: are you guys coming to Bremen for the world championships in 2006 btw? |
| 22:09.44 | reenoo | zecke: (robocup) |
| 22:12.51 | Yog | florian: we just had a discussion before ... do you happen to know if the current oe bootloaders supports the cl4/t-sinus simpad ? |
| 22:15.31 | koen | (there aren't any OE bootloaders) |
| 22:16.52 | zecke | reenoo: yes, DFG allowed us to continue |
| 22:17.07 | zecke | reenoo: I don't go to Japan this year, I was too busy to heavily work on RoboCup |
| 22:17.11 | Yog | koen: I mean the bootloader supporting the jffs2 images |
| 22:17.53 | zecke | Yog: the old bootldr supported jffs2 images as well |
| 22:18.14 | zecke | Yog: one just need to generate the arnoldboot-block around the jffs2 image |
| 22:19.43 | Yog | oh, I didn't know that. I how to get that block around the image ? simpad tools ? |
| 22:19.55 | reenoo | zecke: ah, nice (the first part). |
| 22:20.33 | x0rf0o | zecke arnoldboot-block? what the is it? ggl does not cooperate on this. |
| 22:21.11 | x0rf0o | zecke (the was meant or missing 'hell') |
| 22:22.04 | zecke | reenoo: Thee real challenge for us is to get better in the in de Mid-SIze league |
| 22:25.52 | zecke | x0rf0o: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=65409&package_id=66662 |
| 22:26.03 | zecke | x0rf0o: with serload you upload images |
| 22:26.10 | zecke | x0rf0o: it can only upload prepared images |
| 22:26.37 | zecke | x0rf0o: there are tools and howtos how to prepare the images for the Siemens bootldr |
| 22:26.49 | reenoo | zecke: ah, right. I've been told that's also a question of money. |
| 22:28.21 | x0rf0o | zecke thx! |
| 22:34.07 | zecke | reenoo: Our mastermind (vision wise) is doing his Post Doc at Cornell |
| 22:34.23 | zecke | reenoo: and since then the number of hours spent decreaded |
| 22:34.50 | reenoo | zecke: I see :/ |
| 22:35.39 | reenoo | zecke: cool for that guy though :) |
| 22:36.12 | reenoo | zecke: AFAIK Thomas will leave Bremen sometime next year as well, btw |
| 22:36.14 | zecke | reenoo: yupp, he now participates in the Grand Challenge |
| 22:36.35 | zecke | I'm almost done with my Grundstudium... |
| 22:36.39 | reenoo | zecke: heh. neat. |
| 22:36.54 | reenoo | zecke: yah, same here |
| 22:40.30 | molivier2 | someone can tell me why gpe-dm accecpt my password , disappear , and always restart when i press enter |
| 22:42.23 | zecke | reenoo: I seem to have dropped out of team, I probably did not attend any meeting this year |
| 22:42.59 | reenoo | zecke: oh dear :( |
| 22:45.27 | zecke | reenoo: hehe, I just need to turn up more often |
| 22:56.12 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 23:01.11 | molivier2 | what are the process start by gpe-dm ? |
