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| 08:50.19 | mallum | hey kkkkkkkoen |
| 08:54.29 | florian_hrz | ~lart PDAMobileCafe |
| 09:02.57 | koen | good morning mickeyl |
| 09:03.03 | mickeyl | morning |
| 09:03.12 | florian_hrz | mickeyl: good morning |
| 09:09.22 | florian_hrz | morning lardman |
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| 11:08.57 | bedboi | hi there |
| 11:10.02 | florian_kc | hi bedboi |
| 11:11.34 | bedboi | any news? |
| 11:12.13 | florian_kc | nothing that important... only some minor hacks |
| 11:14.11 | bedboi | who is working on gpe-todo? |
| 11:15.28 | koen|lunch | according to http://handhelds.org:8080/gpe/timeline it's florian_kc |
| 11:16.39 | florian_kc | yes, that's me... or at least i'm working on it. |
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| 13:47.24 | TyggerBob | Morning all |
| 13:48.26 | florian_kc | hi TyggerBob |
| 13:51.11 | koen | hey TyggerBob |
| 13:56.28 | TyggerBob | just doing an unstable upgrade on 0.8.2... |
| 13:57.30 | koen | TyggerBob: I'm adding ethereal to OE right now :) |
| 13:59.37 | TyggerBob | Cool.. |
| 13:59.56 | TyggerBob | the GTK version, or just tethereal? |
| 14:00.16 | koen | the one from http://www.ethereal.com/ |
| 14:00.38 | lardman|busy | next stop gimp? |
| 14:00.51 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 14:01.02 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.16 | lardman|busy | we're all reading the same page then :) |
| 14:01.20 | koen | gimp should be pretty easy |
| 14:01.33 | koen | I dislike rox, so someone else should do that |
| 14:01.35 | XorA | koen: not much point in airsnort, it doesnt work anyway |
| 14:01.42 | TyggerBob | true... |
| 14:01.48 | XorA | koen: a gui for aircrack be better |
| 14:01.50 | koen | and I don't know what sunbird is |
| 14:01.56 | XorA | koen: calendar app |
| 14:02.02 | koen | XorA: what's a gui? |
| 14:02.06 | XorA | koen: as in mozilla sunbird |
| 14:02.21 | TyggerBob | koen, are you redoing the gui for ethereal so it fits on the screen? |
| 14:02.28 | koen | no |
| 14:02.38 | TyggerBob | Ahh.. that should be interesting then... |
| 14:03.05 | TyggerBob | because it uses quite a bit of landscape |
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| 14:08.18 | TyggerBob | koen, well.. let me know when ethereal is finished, I'd like to give it a try |
| 14:08.41 | koen | NOTE: package ethereal-0.10.11-r0: task do_configure: started |
| 14:09.23 | TyggerBob | Cool |
| 14:09.25 | mickeyl | did they port to gtk2 in the meantime ? |
| 14:10.05 | koen | | ./rdps: ./rdps: cannot execute binary file |
| 14:10.10 | koen | stinking ethereal people |
| 14:10.21 | mickeyl | heh, yeah, they have a couple of build tools |
| 14:10.24 | koen | try to run x-compiled bins |
| 14:10.25 | florian_kc | ah... very clever ;-) |
| 14:10.44 | mickeyl | the notion of HOST_CC is new to many |
| 14:10.56 | lardman|busy | mickeyl: are these problems with using gtk+1? |
| 14:11.27 | lardman|busy | s/these/there |
| 14:12.41 | mickeyl | lardman|busy: Not really problems, but for small systems shipping gtk+2 and gtk+1 + their individual dependencies is disputable |
| 14:13.00 | lardman|busy | ah, I see what you mean |
| 14:13.21 | mickeyl | if you have space enough and don't care about gtk+1 apps not changing their look when using gtk+2 preferences, it |
| 14:13.25 | mickeyl | is ok ) |
| 14:13.26 | mickeyl | :) |
| 14:13.43 | lardman|busy | I was just thinking of xmms (as bmp doesn't work atm) |
| 14:14.02 | lardman|busy | and as pdaXrom people often ask whether it's available |
| 14:15.46 | koen | lardman|busy: what is ka/pi btw? |
| 14:15.49 | XorA | lardman|busy: should just beat the beepmp people until they learn not everyone has a trucolor screen |
| 14:16.07 | koen | if it is some kde app, I'm going to but the sharp iq dron at -40 |
| 14:16.17 | mickeyl | :D |
| 14:16.24 | mickeyl | KAddressBook/PlatformIndependent |
| 14:16.26 | koen | s/dron/drop/ |
| 14:16.36 | mickeyl | ~emulate zautrix |
| 14:16.38 | ibot | this is exactly what the GPL is about. grab the stuff and run away |
| 14:16.44 | koen | ok, sharp iq drop now at 40 |
| 14:16.46 | mickeyl | ~botsnack |
| 14:16.46 | ibot | mickeyl: aw, gee |
| 14:20.18 | koen | mickeyl: ethereal has a --disable-gtk2 switch now |
| 14:22.39 | TyggerBob | koen, I think that will just build the tethereal version then and no gtk version at all.. |
| 14:22.54 | TyggerBob | or do they have two gtk switches? |
| 14:23.31 | koen | --disable-gtk2 build Glib1/Gtk1+-based (t)ethereal. default=no |
| 14:23.48 | florian_kc | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.20691.png |
| 14:24.15 | florian_kc | That's how gpt-todo looks like now... |
| 14:25.27 | koen | florian_kc: gringots is in OE already? |
| 14:25.32 | florian_kc | The UI scales up to 800 pixels screen width and more. |
| 14:26.08 | florian_kc | koen: heh no, i just wanted to have one example for a finished task in the screenshot :-) |
| 14:26.15 | koen | aha |
| 14:26.33 | koen | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.14406.png |
| 14:26.37 | koen | what's that? |
| 14:27.03 | florian_kc | koen: That's reality: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.21024.png ;-) |
| 14:27.30 | TyggerBob | koen, cool |
| 14:28.34 | florian_kc | koen: no idea... but this guy creates screenshots of his utilities from time to time... looks pretty interesting, but i have no idea who does it. |
| 14:28.47 | florian_kc | koen: Maybe we should ask on the mailinglist... |
| 14:37.59 | TyggerBob | koen, any luck with the disable-gtk2 switch? |
| 14:38.20 | koen | TyggerBob: I'm building the native version first |
| 14:39.46 | florian_kc | koen: We have gpe-todo 0.53. |
| 14:40.20 | koen | gpe-appmgr deserves to die |
| 14:40.25 | koen | for depending on cairo |
| 14:42.20 | TyggerBob | koen, I was just doing an upgrade from the unstable feed and got a slough of failed dependencies |
| 14:43.39 | TyggerBob | should that be expected? |
| 14:43.57 | florian_kc | ah nasty... it uses cairo to render the text on the left side. |
| 14:44.17 | koen | well, appmgr is broken anyway |
| 14:44.17 | XorA | thats a thought, who maintains scap? |
| 14:44.27 | koen | try to rotate the screen |
| 14:44.37 | koen | XorA: nelson |
| 14:44.58 | XorA | koen: its broken for GPE running on C7x0 with 2.6 kernel, thinks screen is rotated when its not |
| 14:50.59 | koen | florian_kc: it's in |
| 14:51.40 | TyggerBob | ok.. looks like you just have to do two upgrades... |
| 14:51.43 | TyggerBob | then it works |
| 14:52.28 | mallum | you can make the icons bigger in mb-desktop to better fit larger displays |
| 14:52.49 | koen | mallum: I've pushed a cset to do that a month ago |
| 14:54.42 | mallum | koen: cool, so you dont get appmgr crap for c7x0's anymore ? |
| 14:54.58 | koen | no |
| 14:55.12 | koen | you still get appmgr crap, but mb has big icons nows on clmashell and simpad |
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| 14:58.48 | florian_kc | koen: thanks |
| 14:59.17 | TyggerBob | well.. no |
| 14:59.19 | TyggerBob | that didn't work.. |
| 14:59.27 | TyggerBob | I'm still missing two dependencies: |
| 14:59.27 | TyggerBob | > gcc-cross-sdk (>= 3.3.4) |
| 14:59.27 | TyggerBob | > ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for pango: |
| 14:59.27 | TyggerBob | > libgcc1 |
| 14:59.34 | florian_kc | koen: while appmgr is broken we shouldn't use it in any default image imho. |
| 14:59.40 | koen | those two are harmless |
| 15:01.10 | TyggerBob | they may be harmless, but they are identified as dependencies for over a dozen things.. |
| 15:03.39 | TyggerBob | here's the complete list: |
| 15:03.40 | TyggerBob | http://pastebin.ca/11487 |
| 15:08.42 | TyggerBob | gotta run.. I'll jump on again from the office. |
| 15:08.43 | TyggerBob | later all |
| 15:09.04 | florian_kc | TyggerBob: cu |
| 15:09.23 | florian_kc | uh! |
| 15:09.54 | florian_kc | which version do we have there? |
| 15:10.04 | koen | florian_kc: one with libtododb.pc |
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| 15:11.46 | florian_kc | koen: oh well... let me fix this. |
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| 15:13.26 | koen | heya DougT |
| 15:13.36 | DougT | koen: hi there. how is it going? |
| 15:13.56 | florian_kc | koen: There is 0.09 with autotools in 2 minutes. |
| 15:14.00 | florian_kc | hey DougT |
| 15:14.08 | koen | DougT: great, and with you? |
| 15:14.44 | DougT | good. hoping to get someone to push a minimo build to unstable. |
| 15:14.48 | DougT | hi florian_kc! |
| 15:15.14 | koen | DougT: pb said he pushed a recent one to unstable last week |
| 15:15.21 | DougT | ah. |
| 15:15.35 | DougT | koen: did he send gpe email? |
| 15:15.51 | koen | no, he mentioned it on irc |
| 15:15.56 | DougT | got it. |
| 15:17.29 | koen | florian_kc: I have the .bb ready to commit :) |
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| 15:21.57 | tommie | Where is the gpe unstable feed located? I'd like to try the new minimo mentioned on the ML |
| 15:22.06 | tommie | lol |
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| 15:25.31 | florian_kc | koen: rock |
| 15:29.11 | tommie | got it |
| 15:35.14 | koen | NOTE: package gpe-todo-0.53: completed |
| 15:36.33 | florian_kc | koen: great! |
| 15:41.12 | koen | DougT: http://handhelds.org/scap/land.25680.png |
| 15:41.47 | DougT | that is a bug I can't really fix. |
| 15:41.49 | DougT | :-) |
| 15:41.56 | koen | minimo's is rendering better every week |
| 15:42.41 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 15:43.27 | koen | ah, the wrong bullet bug is still present |
| 15:43.45 | koen | DougT: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.25941.png |
| 15:44.21 | koen | that's most likely a css issue |
| 15:46.55 | DougT | koen: yeah. it is probably the small screen rendering style. |
| 15:47.09 | mallum | DougT: somebody was saying about when the minimo win is resized ( ie by keyboard ) it rerenders the entire page |
| 15:47.24 | mallum | DougT: could it not just clip its 'viewport' ? |
| 15:47.25 | DougT | you haven't played with it? |
| 15:47.37 | mallum | DougT: no not yet |
| 15:47.44 | DougT | mallum: i am hurt. |
| 15:47.45 | DougT | :-( |
| 15:47.49 | mallum | DougT: I get too depressed when I flash GPE images |
| 15:48.22 | florian_kc | ~fishslap mallum |
| 15:48.23 | ibot | ACTION slaps mallum up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 15:48.53 | mallum | koen: do you have a recent GPE c7x0 image that at leasts nearly works ? |
| 15:49.18 | mallum | koen: one that I dont have to spend an afternoon fucking around with just to get to login and maybe some networking ( as a bonus ) |
| 15:51.35 | mallum | DougT: dont think I dont really want to try out new minimo |
| 15:51.56 | mallum | koen: where is your blog btw ? |
| 15:51.57 | DougT | mallum: because of GPE... |
| 15:52.12 | DougT | mallum: just use an older build of gpe |
| 15:52.20 | florian_kc | mallum: That all because all people with Zaurus except koen are too lazy to fix that Zauurus images ;-) |
| 15:53.21 | mallum | florian_kc: its dumb stuff like gpe-bootsplash hanging for five minutes with no user feedback as it generates ssh keys... |
| 15:55.34 | mickeyl | mallum: it's because everyone and his brother is using pdaxrom on clamshells |
| 15:55.50 | florian_kc | mallum: hey... don't complain about this, that's a feature - when do you have time to get a coffee with modern computers, eh? |
| 15:55.51 | mickeyl | few clamshell users even look a gpe |
| 15:56.26 | mickeyl | s/a/at/ |
| 15:56.27 | mallum | mickeyl: GPE was historically too short sighted to look beyong familiar and ipaqs too |
| 15:56.34 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 15:56.44 | mickeyl | that's what Opie has done a bit beter |
| 15:56.47 | mickeyl | better, even |
| 15:56.54 | mallum | mickeyl: agree 100% |
| 15:57.35 | florian_kc | What are the current issues with these devices? |
| 15:57.52 | florian_kc | yeah :-) |
| 15:57.54 | florian_kc | oops |
| 15:58.08 | mallum | florian_kc: I can flash my 3870, but then I got all the hassles that go with that |
| 15:58.54 | koen | mallum: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/blog/ |
| 15:59.09 | florian_kc | mallum: hmm... it would be more interesting to fix the issues on the zaurus devices. |
| 16:00.07 | mallum | koen: the css is all fucked up |
| 16:01.53 | mallum | koen: the position on the header is wrong I think |
| 16:02.11 | koen | it is supposed to stay there |
| 16:02.24 | koen | but it seems I'm the only person liking it.... |
| 16:02.28 | mallum | koen: hehe |
| 16:02.43 | mallum | koen: lay off the dutch tulips |
| 16:03.22 | mallum | koen: I will fix the damn toolbar decorations tonight |
| 16:03.29 | mallum | koen: god damn it |
| 16:04.18 | mallum | I would really appreciate some one that is much more cultured and i18n than me to fix up the matchbox keyboard layout with some european utf8 extended chars |
| 16:05.17 | florian_kc | mallum: What is wrong with the GPE images on Zaurus? |
| 16:05.38 | koen | florian_kc: the randomness mostly |
| 16:05.57 | koen | getting a login is a question of luck |
| 16:06.37 | florian_kc | hmm... we need a hero with a Zaurus to take care about this :-/ |
| 16:06.50 | mallum | koen: RP fixed up some stuff I think |
| 16:10.51 | koen | keylaunch should die |
| 16:10.59 | koen | that was the biggest culprit |
| 16:12.37 | mallum | koen|supper: yeah I've only been saying that for the last 24 months |
| 16:13.59 | florian_kc | Now that we have gconf-dbus it might be a nice idea to switch to use gconf and matchbox for this. |
| 16:14.40 | mallum | florian_kc: well I've only been saying that for just over 12 months |
| 16:15.13 | florian_kc | mallum: the only problem i see is that we only an use matchbox then... |
| 16:15.54 | mallum | florian_kc: OOOOHHH NOOOOO |
| 16:16.15 | florian_kc | mallum: really? |
| 16:16.22 | mallum | florian_kc: no |
| 16:16.42 | mallum | florian_kc: matchbox keyboard shortcuts have wiped the floor with keylaunch for years |
| 16:19.42 | florian_kc | mallum: okay... cool, then let's implement this in gpe-conf. |
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| 16:20.07 | florian_kc | mallum: ... and ship useful config files for matchbox. |
| 16:21.04 | mallum | florian_kc: its up to GPE to config it for the devices it supports |
| 16:22.10 | florian_kc | mallum: yes sure... eh... if i don't want to use gconf, can i chenge the configuration in the config file? |
| 16:24.33 | mallum | florian_kc: of course |
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| 16:26.09 | florian_kc | mallum: that wouldn't pull in another dependency... |
| 16:26.39 | mallum | florian_kc: look in /etc/matchbox |
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| 16:27.56 | florian_kc | mallum: i just do... your config file is almost as nasty as keylaunchrc ;) |
| 16:28.29 | florian_kc | why can't all people use easy to read config files like these GKexFile things... |
| 16:30.22 | florian_kc | mallum: Is there a way to tell matchbox to reread the config? That would really rock... |
| 16:31.36 | mallum | florian_kc: if you dont like the config, and you want to change it on the fly, use gconf, thats what its there for |
| 16:32.34 | lardman|busy | mallum: what happened to your problems with matchbox being 'used' and passed off for something else? |
| 16:33.54 | mallum | lardman|busy: ongoing |
| 16:34.23 | florian_kc | mallum: yes... but that's the only thing which pulls in the gconf dependency... |
| 16:34.33 | lardman|busy | mallum: I was just looking at slashdot - http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/05/11/008258.shtml?tid=117&tid=185&tid=17 - and it reminded me |
| 16:36.40 | mallum | lardman|busy: yeah just saw that |
| 16:36.49 | mallum | florian_kc: big deal |
| 16:37.08 | mallum | florian_kc: please dont talk to me about deps, when you pull in stuff like cairo |
| 16:37.22 | lardman|busy | mallum: I can't get to the website, but I wonder whether that guy (who seems to get /. publicity) would be interested |
| 16:37.31 | florian_kc | mallum: nothing really needs cairo... |
| 16:37.59 | mallum | florian_kc: libgpewidget ( for the clock arms !! ), gpe-bootsplah, gpe-appmgr are all nothing ? |
| 16:38.46 | koen | libgpewidget is built without it now |
| 16:38.52 | mallum | florian_kc: gpe needs something like gconf a hell of a lot more than it does cairo |
| 16:38.54 | florian_kc | mallum: gconf is a major issue... now we have gconf/dbus, but if noone maintains it in future we will have the choice chnage again or use gconf which pulls in orbit and so on. |
| 16:38.58 | koen | and I hope appmgr will be kicked out soon |
| 16:40.03 | florian_kc | koen: why don't you remove it from the images? we can discuss about it again after someone fixes it. |
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| 16:41.23 | mallum | florian_kc: someone needs to maintain gconf/dbus ... |
| 16:41.48 | mallum | florian_kc: you cant do stuff like changing keybinding safely on the fly by rereading the conf file |
| 16:42.16 | mallum | florian_kc: it means the gpe-conf app has to parse and rewrite the file, theres no locking etc |
| 16:42.39 | mallum | florian_kc: it means another mb only x message to tell it to reread the config |
| 16:43.06 | mallum | florian_kc: and you can ditch the ugly dirty crappy xsettings hacks if you go with gconf |
| 16:44.09 | koen | florian_kc: it's in a few config files too, I'll look at it tonight |
| 16:45.19 | mallum | koen: you should check out usplash to replace gpe-bootsplash *hint* ;) |
| 16:46.52 | koen | heh |
| 16:46.57 | florian_kc | mallum: Could matchbox behave like a "classic daemon" and reread the file after a SIGHUP? |
| 16:47.04 | mallum | florian_kc: no |
| 16:47.14 | mallum | florian_kc: signals are stupid |
| 16:47.21 | florian_kc | mallum: why? |
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| 16:48.54 | mallum | florian_kc: cos there delivered async and can trash your display connection if not careful |
| 16:49.43 | florian_kc | mallum: ah... that's nasty... what about a switch to matchbox-remote? |
| 16:49.46 | mallum | florian_kc: there just annoying and old school |
| 16:50.09 | mallum | florian_kc: yeah that would be better ( thats why matchbox-remote exists ) |
| 16:50.52 | mallum | florian_kc: if you want it send me a patch that does it |
| 16:50.59 | mallum | florian_kc: I cant be bothered with it though |
| 16:51.15 | mallum | florian_kc: I have gconf support for that kind of thing |
| 16:52.03 | florian_kc | mallum: that sounds like a plan... avoids a long list of dependencies. |
| 16:52.35 | mallum | florian_kc: its only gconf |
| 16:52.44 | mallum | florian_kc: you already use all the other deps |
| 16:53.01 | koen | mallum: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash |
| 16:53.04 | koen | that one? |
| 16:54.51 | mallum | koen: yeah |
| 16:55.08 | mallum | koen: probably need some tweaking for small displays |
| 16:55.16 | koen | hmmm |
| 16:55.17 | mallum | koen: but trivial todo, the source is very nice |
| 16:55.20 | koen | looks like it needs an initrd |
| 16:56.26 | mallum | hmmm |
| 16:57.10 | florian_kc | mallum: we have xsettings... |
| 16:57.43 | mallum | florian_kc: hahahaha |
| 16:58.36 | koen | florian_kc: gpe-conf: DEPENDS = "gtk+ libgpewidget libxsettings libxsettings-client pcmcia-cs xst xset ipaq-sleep ntp gpe-login gpe-icons gpe-appmgr" |
| 16:58.46 | koen | note the last one |
| 16:59.10 | florian_kc | koen: uh... that can't be right... |
| 16:59.51 | florian_kc | koen: who is guilty for this? |
| 17:00.09 | mallum | florian_kc: seriously xsettings is serverely lacking |
| 17:00.26 | florian_kc | mallum: that would be ok for this purpose... |
| 17:01.33 | koen | florian_kc: looks like you were guilty for that |
| 17:01.42 | koen | "tweak gpe-conf.bb, courtesy Florian Boor " |
| 17:02.00 | mallum | florian_kc: xsettings is woefully lacking to do the key shortcuts |
| 17:02.19 | mallum | florian_kc: you are welcome to try and accomplish it |
| 17:02.49 | mallum | florian_kc: why do you think I never used xsettings for it in the first place ? |
| 17:05.09 | florian_kc | koen: i must have been drunk... please fix this. |
| 17:06.58 | florian_kc | mallum: hmm if you say this, i believe you :-) |
| 17:08.52 | mallum | koen: btw, have you seen http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/%c2%b5buntu ? |
| 17:09.09 | koen | heh |
| 17:09.18 | koen | cute |
| 17:09.58 | koen | "GPE or qutopia for environment" |
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| 17:11.13 | koen | ubuntu based emdebian would be nice |
| 17:12.11 | florian_kc | These guys should do some "embedded ubuntu" based on oe :-) |
| 17:13.03 | koen | but judging from the wiki they are going to do a lot of reinventing the wheel |
| 17:13.26 | koen | (try to find a note on emdebian on that page) |
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| 17:18.17 | TyggerBob | darn.. I hosed my install with that darned upgrade this morning :( |
| 17:18.17 | TyggerBob | have to reflash |
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| 17:22.24 | koen | ok, gpe-appmgr is gone from the images, deps and scripts |
| 17:22.34 | TyggerBob | koen, 0406 still the latest snapshot image? |
| 17:23.02 | koen | 0.8.2 release is the latest snapshot image |
| 17:23.37 | ReleaseX | is there a vnc viewer for gpe? |
| 17:23.45 | koen | TyggerBob: you could try http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/gpe.jffs2 |
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| 17:24.08 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 17:24.31 | TyggerBob | koen, is there a sectest to go with that? |
| 17:24.31 | bedboi | hi there koen |
| 17:24.46 | koen | ReleaseX: no idea, haven't tried vnc clients on linux yet |
| 17:24.49 | koen | TyggerBob: not yet |
| 17:25.42 | TyggerBob | I'll try your gpe image and strip out the stuff I don't want |
| 17:31.59 | TyggerBob | There are two rules to success in life. |
| 17:32.05 | TyggerBob | 1. don't tell people everything you know. |
| 17:32.06 | TyggerBob | 2. |
| 17:32.30 | koen | :) |
| 17:33.00 | TyggerBob | koen, reflashing with your new image as we speak |
| 17:33.32 | koen | I wonder how much people I can fool with a scap of engange + gtk-aqua theme |
| 17:33.47 | koen | engage* |
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| 17:39.40 | stealth | Hi. When i put my ipaq to sleep I have to take out my compact flash 802.11b card to resume it? |
| 17:40.28 | koen | drat |
| 17:40.51 | koen | I guess I'm not selling some stuff to buy an akita |
| 17:43.29 | bedboi | akita is a wonderful dog |
| 17:43.33 | TyggerBob | akita, like the dog? |
| 17:43.40 | TyggerBob | how big is your place |
| 17:44.58 | koen | TyggerBob: akita like http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000993035476/ |
| 17:45.29 | koen | TyggerBob: about 70m^2 |
| 17:46.28 | TyggerBob | Good thing it's not the dog.. |
| 17:46.34 | TyggerBob | that Sharp looks sexy though |
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| 17:54.01 | TyggerBob | DOH.. |
| 17:54.13 | TyggerBob | geez.. you'd think I just started using Familiar yesterday. |
| 17:54.21 | TyggerBob | I forgot to plug in the AC during the root flash |
| 17:54.25 | TyggerBob | damn damn damn |
| 17:54.38 | TyggerBob | got about 80% of the way through when it died |
| 17:54.56 | TyggerBob | Well. here goes another 42 mins |
| 17:55.22 | koen | ~change 649 usd to eur |
| 17:55.42 | koen | ~change 819 usd to eur |
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| 18:17.54 | koen | ok, the only cairo dep is in gpe-bootsplash now |
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| 18:35.22 | florian | re |
| 18:35.59 | koen | hey flo|painting |
| 18:38.31 | TyggerBob | flo|painting, paint what? |
| 18:45.44 | TyggerBob | Hey.. the GPE logo's still offcentre! |
| 18:45.46 | TyggerBob | :) |
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| 19:15.57 | TyggerBob | apparently you've had lots of fun there, as they've reached a capacity limit :) |
| 19:15.59 | TyggerBob | hi Phil |
| 19:16.10 | pb_ | afternoon Bob |
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| 19:20.26 | florian | TyggerBob: Some wood i use to build shelves from... |
| 19:20.32 | florian | pb_: hi |
| 19:20.44 | pb_ | florian: good evening! |
| 19:20.55 | florian | pb_: you seem to be really busy lately... |
| 19:21.09 | pb_ | yah, it seems |
| 19:21.30 | pb_ | in fact, I was known as pb|painting for the past few hours. |
| 19:22.21 | florian | pb_: heh.. i thought you were in a different business ;-) |
| 19:22.32 | pb_ | other than that, I've been attending sales meetings, repairing broken fileservers, and stuff like that. |
| 19:22.39 | pb_ | florian: yeah, me too :-) |
| 19:22.50 | pb_ | actually, I was just painting my garage. |
| 19:23.08 | florian | :-) |
| 19:23.43 | florian | Hrm... |
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| 19:24.35 | florian | documentation... device support... gpe-conf... |
| 19:24.35 | bedboi | what do you mean? |
| 19:24.38 | bedboi | ah |
| 19:24.43 | florian | hi bedboi |
| 19:25.09 | pb_ | yeah, that would be good, but it's hard to think who to approach. |
| 19:25.31 | pb_ | that doesn't sound like the kind of thing the CELF would be keen on sponsoring. |
| 19:26.20 | florian | indeed... i had some luck lately to get some work on gpe-contacts and gpe-todo done during my office time. |
| 19:26.21 | koen | how about the http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/µbuntu people? |
| 19:27.00 | florian | btw... i released a new gpe-todo and libtododb (with documentation) |
| 19:27.07 | pb_ | florian: excellent! |
| 19:27.08 | bedboi | florian: what's the changelog. i have plans to do some hacks on gpe-todo, but really a newbie with gpe-todo |
| 19:27.16 | bedboi | florian: cool |
| 19:27.57 | florian | koen: we should talk to these guys at guadec, i think we have quite some experience with things they want to do. |
| 19:28.03 | koen | bedboi: http://handhelds.org:8080/gpe/rlog?f=gpe/base/gpe-todo/ChangeLog |
| 19:28.10 | florian | :-) |
| 19:28.27 | koen | that's the changelog of changelog |
| 19:28.47 | florian | bedboi: mustly some work to improve the user interface. |
| 19:29.30 | florian | it should scale from 200 to at least 1000 pixels of screen with pretty well now. |
| 19:29.51 | koen | florian: try it on your funky 1600sw |
| 19:30.38 | bedboi | florian: i gave a quick look to todo-ui.c and it seems not so simple to hack |
| 19:30.51 | florian | koen: yes... works nice, but it doesn't make that much sense to have it that wide. |
| 19:30.54 | bedboi | at least for me |
| 19:31.03 | bedboi | i have little experience with UIs |
| 19:31.53 | florian | bedboi: Its not that complicated... gpe-todo is a good example for a gpe application i think. |
| 19:32.00 | bedboi | btw i would like to add a feature to gpe-todo in order to keep track of my payments |
| 19:32.11 | florian | pb_: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.20691.png |
| 19:32.32 | pb_ | florian: very nice |
| 19:32.33 | rob_w | koen: what about that theme you mentioned , auqa ? |
| 19:32.40 | florian | hmm... |
| 19:32.54 | koen | rob_w: mac osx clone |
| 19:33.04 | pb_ | florian: what does the flag mean (in the first item)? |
| 19:33.08 | koen | should put that in OE sometime soon |
| 19:34.32 | florian | bedboi: In this context it might be nice to make the application able to calculate some stuff at least. Maybe it would be a better idea to use gpe-todo code as a base foe a special finance tracker application. |
| 19:34.34 | bedboi | koen: any screenshot? |
| 19:34.47 | florian | pb_: "high priority" |
| 19:34.54 | bedboi | florian: yep that was my idea. |
| 19:35.06 | pb_ | florian: aa |
| 19:35.09 | pb_ | aha, too |
| 19:35.30 | koen | bedboi: themes.freshmeat.net -> gtk2 |
| 19:35.48 | pb_ | bedboi: yah, that would be good. dc has been planning to write gpe-money for years, but so far he has made no progress. |
| 19:35.58 | florian | yeah... |
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| 19:39.31 | pb_ | hi dougt |
| 19:40.13 | TyggerBob | btw.. just wanted to say that the current GPE image worked fine, koen |
| 19:40.32 | TyggerBob | looks nice too, even though I hate that blue colour |
| 19:40.49 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:41.12 | koen | I usually change it to a fresher looking shade |
| 19:42.16 | TyggerBob | koen, how'd the ethereal build go? |
| 19:42.22 | koen | bad |
| 19:43.10 | TyggerBob | hehehe |
| 19:44.01 | TyggerBob | re tigrux |
| 19:44.46 | tigrux | Hello TyggerBob |
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| 19:46.09 | mallum | florian: heh, you didn't remove the exit button from gpe-todo though :( |
| 19:46.38 | mallum | florian: and the new todo icon looks like new file |
| 19:46.47 | florian | mallum: yeah... i'm going to remove the title bar... |
| 19:47.12 | mallum | florian: makes sense |
| 19:48.09 | mallum | florian: its funny in the screenshot it has two buttons which do exactly the same thing right next to each other |
| 19:48.24 | florian | mallum: but that's a medium term plan... my personal todo for gpe starts with some more autotools, documentation and gpe-conf. |
| 19:48.38 | florian | mallum: right... |
| 19:49.20 | florian | mallum: do you think GTK_STOCK_ADD would be better than GTK_STOCK_NEW? |
| 19:49.40 | mallum | florian: yeah most definetly |
| 19:50.25 | mallum | florian: even better would be kill the close button, and have a large [ o New Todo ] button or some such with gained space |
| 19:50.40 | florian | does anyone here have a mips64-linux gcc for me? |
| 19:50.56 | TyggerBob | hrm.. is there an issue with unrecognized sleeves currently? |
| 19:52.37 | koen | TyggerBob: battery trick |
| 19:54.31 | TyggerBob | should have known |
| 19:56.46 | TyggerBob | yep.. that did it |
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| 19:58.19 | reenoo | evening |
| 19:58.25 | TyggerBob | evening, reenoo |
| 19:58.35 | reenoo | hiya TyggerBob |
| 19:58.49 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 19:58.52 | florian | hi reenoo |
| 19:58.59 | reenoo | yo koen |
| 19:59.01 | reenoo | moin florian |
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| 20:07.51 | mallum_ | stupid adsl :( |
| 20:09.32 | florian | hi unknown26 |
| 20:09.47 | unknown26 | hey florian |
| 20:09.54 | florian | mallum_: at kc we were lucky if we had adsl at all :-/ |
| 20:16.18 | TyggerBob | florian, hehe.. sounds like a couple of old guys complaining about the good old days.. |
| 20:16.58 | TyggerBob | when _I_ was at KC we had to pack our packets in boxes and MAIL them out to the server.. we were lucky if we got pings back the next day!!! |
| 20:17.54 | florian | hehe |
| 20:18.59 | koen | funny |
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| 20:19.23 | koen | you guys talking about network trouble when my tunnel collapses |
| 20:21.20 | reenoo | hehe. reminds me of rfc1149 :) |
| 20:21.38 | florian | *g* |
| 20:21.45 | koen | avian carriers? |
| 20:22.23 | koen | that's the one |
| 20:22.30 | reenoo | or the "never underestimate the bandwidth and transfer rate of a truck transporting tons (literally) of tapes" |
| 20:23.14 | reenoo | "...driving down a highway" that is |
| 20:23.39 | koen | tannenbaum |
| 20:23.49 | koen | or dijkstra |
| 20:26.52 | TyggerBob | hrm.. anyone know what version of wlan_ng we're using? |
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| 20:31.07 | florian | no one? |
| 20:32.23 | unknown26 | florian: Oh yeah, did you find out if any more of the t-shirts exist? |
| 20:33.12 | florian | ~fishslab florian |
| 20:33.44 | florian | unknown26: i forgot... but i'll write down a note. |
| 20:34.05 | unknown26 | florian: Ok, thanks |
| 20:34.25 | unknown26 | Well I'm off |
| 20:40.04 | florian | Did anyone here try Gazpacho? |
| 20:45.12 | florian | pb_: That looks liek something for you: http://handhelds.org:8080/gpe/tktview?tn=5 |
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| 20:49.12 | florian | Do we want a "Alien" section in the Gallery? |
| 20:49.46 | pb_ | florian: mm, yeah, that might be a nice idea. |
| 20:50.23 | pb_ | by the way, I am not especially keen on encouraging people to file tickets in cvstrac rather than using bugzilla. I'd rather keep all that stuff in one place. |
| 20:50.38 | florian | pb_: yes, that's right... |
| 21:05.43 | rob_w | ok now i can really compile a gtk directly on the ipaq :) |
| 21:06.25 | florian | cool! |
| 21:13.09 | rob_w | yep |
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| 21:17.57 | rob_w | after some crazy wild symlinling it finally works |
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| 21:58.43 | reenoo | florian: btw, never add kernel modules as RDEPENDS, use RRECOMMENDS for those, please. |
| 21:59.15 | pb_ | mm, we could do with a better solution for that. |
| 21:59.24 | pb_ | I guess the kernel should Provide: all the modules that are statically linked. |
| 22:00.00 | reenoo | hmm, good point |
| 22:02.21 | florian | yes, that would be better... gpe-shield really depends on that feature. |
| 22:03.13 | pb_ | right, exactly. it's highly counterintuitive to use Recommends for mandatory functionality: both developers and users will find that confusing. |
| 22:04.04 | pb_ | the only reason we do it at the moment is to provide a workaround for the case where iptables (or whatever) is compiled into the kernel on a given MACHINE, and so there is no corresponding module package. |
| 22:04.24 | florian | ...and you can end up in a situation with not working software very easy. |
| 22:04.29 | pb_ | if you used RDEPENDS, gpe-shield would be uninstallable on those machines, which would be no good. |
| 22:05.15 | pb_ | with RRECOMMENDS, you still get a warning, but at least the package does install. |
| 22:05.18 | florian | Do we currently have machines with iptables compiled in? |
| 22:06.31 | pb_ | in the specific case of iptables, no, not that I know of. |
| 22:07.08 | pb_ | I haven't actually checked the config files, though, so me being unaware of it is no guarantee that it isn't happening. |
| 22:08.12 | reenoo | the 2.6 Z kernel .bbs didn't have that stuff enabled until yesterday. RP was a bit reluctant to enable that stuff. I think it's enabled now |
| 22:08.47 | pb_ | ah. well, if it was completely disabled, refusing to install gpe-shield would have been the correct behaviour. |
| 22:09.00 | pb_ | ~lart rp |
| 22:09.50 | reenoo | yah, I was just getting tired of the "my build blows up" reports |
| 22:09.55 | reenoo | ~herring reenoo |
| 22:09.56 | ibot | ACTION whacks reenoo on the side of the head with a large red herring named alfred |
| 22:10.23 | pb_ | heh |
| 22:11.09 | pb_ | is there a hard dependency on gpe-shield, then? I thought virtually everything in meta-gpe was Recommended, these days. |
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| 22:12.52 | reenoo | haven't checked. sounds unlikely though. heh |
| 22:13.21 | pb_ | if there's a Depends on it, that would make it impossible to uninstall gpe-shield after flashing, which -- although perhaps ill advised -- is something that some users may wish to attempt. |
| 22:13.53 | reenoo | right |
| 22:14.07 | pb_ | oh well. |
| 22:14.10 | pb_ | those crazy zaurus users. |
| 22:14.17 | reenoo | :) |
| 22:15.14 | florian | pb_: ah quiet... we still need to find Zaurus users to fix gpe-images! ;) |
| 22:15.19 | reenoo | I'm afraid I don't have the time to look into that right now. but I will some day... |
| 22:15.23 | pb_ | oh right, yes |
| 22:15.31 | pb_ | ~herring pb_ |
| 22:15.32 | ibot | ACTION whacks pb_ on the side of the head with a large red herring named alfred |
| 22:15.37 | florian | *g* |
| 22:16.07 | pb_ | florian: do you know what things are actually wrong with the zaurus images at the moment? |
| 22:16.30 | pb_ | oh, by the way, today I found my long-lost bluetooth cf card! |
| 22:16.52 | reenoo | pb_: are the kernel and or X issues fixed already? |
| 22:17.03 | pb_ | reenoo: dunno. which issues were those? |
| 22:17.21 | reenoo | X locking up over a suspend/resume IIRC |
| 22:17.42 | reenoo | and something else I forget ATM |
| 22:18.01 | pb_ | ah, yeah, that. I have a feeling there was fault on both sides there, though I don't recall any of the details offhand. |
| 22:18.23 | pb_ | I suspect it is probably not fixed. |
| 22:19.01 | florian | pb_: not really... mallum complains all the time and koen told me they usually refuse to start at all. |
| 22:19.29 | reenoo | heh :/ |
| 22:20.23 | pb_ | florian: I think mallum complains all the time anyway, so that probably isn't a reliable indicator. That report from koen does sound a bit unfortunate, though. |
| 22:21.16 | florian | pb_: right :-) Mallum usually conplains about everything in GPE. |
| 22:22.22 | florian | pb_: In some points he is right, but in some points he seems to smoke wired stuff... |
| 22:22.57 | florian | e.g. i don't share his ideas about ui design and gconf. |
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| 22:53.11 | bedboi | hi all |
| 23:02.51 | florian | hi bedboi |
| 23:03.21 | florian | pb_: do we maybe want to change the colour of gpe-login? |
| 23:04.55 | pb_ | florian: I quite like the existing colour, but if you want to change it then please feel free to do so, |
| 23:06.46 | florian | pb_: well... i remeber koen and nils complained about it... i don't really care. |
| 23:07.00 | cw2 | make it match the theme |
| 23:07.04 | pb_ | florian: okay |
| 23:07.07 | florian | or maybe even worse... i don't have a better idea. |
| 23:07.19 | pb_ | maybe nils and/or koen would like to suggest another colour. |
| 23:07.46 | florian | But i'd like to have a gpe logo in there :-) |
| 23:08.01 | pb_ | yeah, that would be nice |
| 23:08.38 | florian | hmm let me see where we get the default logo from :-) |
| 23:15.20 | florian | hmm... no logo in the filesystem... tsts |
| 23:21.04 | *** join/#gpe FortMa1 (~PEREZ@pool-70-111-120-157.nwrk.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:28.36 | pb_ | night all |
| 23:28.43 | florian | pb_: good night |
| 23:39.10 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 23:41.46 | florian | koen: We have gpe-icons 0.25 now... |
| 23:46.10 | florian | koen: and gpe-ownerinfo 0.26 |
| 23:50.10 | florian | good night |
