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| 06:12.51 | koen | good morning all |
| 06:19.01 | tommie | moin |
| 06:19.36 | koen | hey tommie |
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| 08:55.34 | rob_w-cgi | hi |
| 08:56.00 | koen | hey rob_w-cgi |
| 08:56.37 | XorA | any used gpe-beam? |
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| 08:59.08 | koen | moin florian_kc |
| 09:01.06 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 09:01.34 | koen | florian_kc: I just finished breakfast </hint> |
| 09:03.08 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 09:04.09 | florian_kc | koen: you are threatened by becoming bored? ;) |
| 09:04.29 | koen | very much |
| 09:04.41 | koen | I've been coding in matlab for the last 3 hours now |
| 09:05.00 | florian_kc | oh well... |
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| 10:03.35 | lardman_ | oh well, looks like my internet connection is on the blink - if anyone has some time and wants to strace quake to see why it's failing part way through the demo that would be good |
| 10:04.03 | lardman_ | There's also an unstripped binary here for gdb: H:\public_html\Zaurus\quake |
| 10:04.48 | koen | heh |
| 10:04.52 | koen | h:? |
| 10:08.58 | florian_kc | hehe |
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| 10:21.21 | mickeyl | what's the size of the X dependencies for GPE ? (roughly) |
| 10:23.02 | darmou | mickeyl what is the status of the 5500 keymap I can't work out hoe to do cntrl c |
| 10:24.05 | koen | mickeyl: 500k for kdrive, 150k for diet-x11 |
| 10:24.33 | darmou | wow that is pretty small |
| 10:25.20 | koen | 150k for xt6, 44k for xmu, 15k for xt |
| 10:25.27 | koen | 150k |
| 10:25.34 | koen | that should cover them |
| 10:27.31 | koen | about 1.5-2M in flash iirc |
| 10:28.48 | koen | mickeyl: http://www.embedded-kernel-track.org/2004/mallum/img11.html |
| 10:29.44 | mickeyl | that's pretty ok |
| 10:29.59 | koen | yeah |
| 10:30.10 | mickeyl | darmou: no idea frankly. I don't think anyone works on the 5500 kernel keymap yet |
| 10:30.18 | koen | trolltech's FUD about X is widespread |
| 10:30.52 | darmou | ok thanks |
| 10:31.43 | mickeyl | well, it's another layer of indirection - this is a fact and cannot be discussed. however if the dependencies are really that small we should seriously consider giving up the direct framebuffer access on all but the oldest models |
| 10:32.00 | mickeyl | which would mean using Qt instead of QtE |
| 10:32.26 | koen | I allready got TT to remove the worst lies from their site :) |
| 10:33.09 | darmou | I'm looking forward to minimo working properly in the meantime links -g is compiled with framebuffer but no x |
| 10:33.33 | darmou | so might try to fix that this weekend |
| 10:33.35 | koen | mickeyl: any roadmap of opie/x11? |
| 10:33.42 | mickeyl | koen: not really |
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| 10:34.12 | XorA | darmou: thats a one line change in .bb file |
| 10:34.21 | darmou | cool opie x11 sounds great best of x and all the cool opie apps |
| 10:34.33 | mickeyl | hold your horses, it's not decided yet :) |
| 10:35.03 | koen | the "users" need some de-FUD'ing |
| 10:35.12 | darmou | thanks XonA I'll check it out |
| 10:36.02 | XorA | darmou: --without-x change to --with-x and fix DEPENDS line and you should be off |
| 10:36.20 | XorA | darmou: BTW firefox works |
| 10:36.46 | darmou | not on my 5500 unless its changed recently |
| 10:37.16 | XorA | darmou: works is relative :-) |
| 10:37.27 | darmou | ahh ok |
| 10:37.28 | XorA | darmou: it may take 30 mins to render a page, but it works :-) |
| 10:38.07 | koen | mickeyl: a kdrive-w100 would be *very* nice to have before converting opie to use X11 |
| 10:38.15 | darmou | hmm i'll stick to minimo if its really that slow |
| 10:38.24 | mickeyl | koen: ya, that's right |
| 10:38.41 | XorA | darmou: no idea, how slow, its usable but sluggish on my C860 (400Mhz) |
| 10:38.49 | darmou | although i's so buggy hopefully links will be faster |
| 10:39.47 | darmou | kdrive? |
| 10:40.34 | XorA | koen: kdrive-w100 would be awesome, and kdrive-bvdd for CXK |
| 10:40.59 | koen | bvdd is just an xv driver |
| 10:41.04 | XorA | mickeyl: BTW newest mplayer on atty.jp seems to be saying it can play 640xblah DivX's at full speed |
| 10:41.11 | mickeyl | XorA: impressive |
| 10:41.22 | XorA | mickeyl: but my japanese lacks |
| 10:41.24 | mickeyl | heh |
| 10:42.20 | mickeyl | i'm in merge and synergie mood this year. we still have a lot of things to achieve with Linux mobile devices and if we want to do that we really need to shutdown the whole lot of construction sites and join forces |
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| 10:42.35 | mickeyl | hi pb_ |
| 10:42.41 | koen | hey pb_ |
| 10:43.11 | XorA | mickeyl: yes, it is silly that there are hundreds of people all aiming to the same thing all starting from scratch, it is the OSS curse |
| 10:43.42 | mickeyl | i think a lot of it is about 'control' |
| 10:43.48 | mickeyl | we have too many control freaks out there |
| 10:44.28 | darmou | meanwhile ms is wiping the floor with their ppc:( |
| 10:45.08 | darmou | its sad the zaurus is way better but dont see the support for it |
| 10:45.35 | darmou | from comercial players |
| 10:46.05 | darmou | still at least the community is really cool and active |
| 10:49.12 | pb_ | mickey|lunch: good afternoon! |
| 10:49.15 | pb_ | koen: hello! |
| 10:51.46 | florian_kc | hey pb_ |
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| 11:01.31 | pb_ | florian_kc: yo |
| 11:03.34 | darmou | hopefully autosleep will be fixed on the 5500 soon |
| 11:10.20 | darmou | goodnight |
| 11:10.34 | florian_kc | darmou: night |
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| 11:12.05 | Lathiat | Hey guys -- i was just wondering if theres any support for sync in gpe? |
| 11:12.37 | Lathiat | oh, it has a multisync plugin |
| 11:12.37 | Lathiat | rock |
| 11:12.42 | Lathiat | does it work well with the evolution2 plugin? |
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| 11:14.23 | florian_kc | Lathiat: Yes this seems to work at least dor contacts and todo. |
| 11:14.29 | florian_kc | hi mallum |
| 11:14.38 | Lathiat | what about calendar? |
| 11:14.42 | mallum | hey florian_kc |
| 11:14.43 | Lathiat | thats mainly what im concerned about |
| 11:16.19 | koen | hey mallum |
| 11:16.29 | mallum | hey hey mr koen |
| 11:16.38 | Lathiat | whats nice about gpe is that its well gnomey and it uses X11 so you can run other crap |
| 11:16.46 | Lathiat | if i can get syncing working i'll be over the moon |
| 11:16.52 | Lathiat | just need to find where i put my belt case then |
| 11:20.24 | tommie | I miss something about the GPE calendar: It's not possible to repeat an appointment e.g. on every third sunday of a month. |
| 11:21.47 | florian_kc | Lathiat: I didn't try this so far... |
| 11:21.48 | XorA | anyone have a known good cvsdate for x11? |
| 11:22.07 | koen | XorA: check conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions.inc |
| 11:22.18 | florian_kc | tommie: right... that would be nice to have. |
| 11:23.29 | XorA | koen: isnt one in there |
| 11:23.49 | koen | didn't bedboi or mccarthy have some code to do that |
| 11:24.08 | koen | XorA: it says you shouldn't use a cvs version of diet-x11 |
| 11:24.40 | XorA | koen: hrmm, this build is trying to build cvs of x11 |
| 11:28.44 | koen | I don't know what's causing that |
| 11:30.30 | XorA | koen: if something depends on x11 wont that try and build x11 unless diet-x11 has been built beforehand? |
| 11:30.30 | koen | yes |
| 11:30.30 | XorA | koen: thats the problem then, building diet-x11 now |
| 11:31.04 | koen | diet-x11 should be the default_provider, though |
| 11:34.49 | XorA | koen: that is missing from oz.conf file, its only in familiar |
| 11:37.55 | koen | *cough*opiezaurus*cough* |
| 11:38.08 | XorA | koen: :-D |
| 11:39.55 | koen | all tat will go away when we merge |
| 11:40.09 | koen | that* |
| 11:42.34 | koen | I wonder when the oesf people will realise X exists |
| 11:43.10 | koen | (and that a ROM is READ ONLY, instead of jffs2 flash images) |
| 11:43.11 | XorA | koen: it does, where, kill it, FB access is the only way on PDA's didnt you know that? |
| 11:45.51 | ade|desk | fear the FB |
| 11:46.28 | Luke-Jr | koen: I think most do know that, but just go w/ convention for using "ROM" |
| 11:47.57 | mallum | koen: whats oesf ? |
| 11:48.08 | Luke-Jr | macmac: OpenEmbedded forums |
| 11:49.27 | Luke-Jr | "OpenEmbedded Software Foundation" |
| 11:49.58 | mallum | heh |
| 11:50.19 | koen | featuring OE made sharproms |
| 11:50.21 | koen | *coug* |
| 11:50.33 | koen | talk about misnomens |
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| 12:50.16 | Lathiat | does gpe have a magical way to connect to pand (bluetooth networking) |
| 12:50.21 | Lathiat | (without doing it manually on the command line) |
| 12:53.10 | koen | iirc you just need to add a bnep0 device in the network config panel |
| 12:53.18 | koen | see http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BluetoothHowt |
| 12:54.14 | Lathiat | yeh but you have to tell it what mac to connect to |
| 12:54.19 | Lathiat | and its not doing it automagically |
| 12:54.46 | Lathiat | right so i doing it manualy |
| 12:54.50 | Lathiat | just thought there might be something guiish |
| 12:55.50 | koen | I'm hoping for that too |
| 12:57.00 | Lathiat | oh |
| 12:57.00 | Lathiat | it does |
| 12:57.02 | Lathiat | i just cant see it |
| 12:57.43 | Lathiat | ah |
| 12:57.44 | Lathiat | it does work |
| 12:57.46 | Lathiat | just had the wrong pin before |
| 12:57.46 | Lathiat | woo |
| 12:57.51 | Lathiat | came up too, woot. :) |
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| 12:58.49 | Lathiat | now for an irc client |
| 12:59.05 | XorA | Lathiat: gaim |
| 12:59.27 | Lathiat | ah |
| 12:59.32 | koen | if you have 640x480 |
| 12:59.33 | Lathiat | does gaim work good in general? |
| 12:59.36 | Lathiat | i have uh |
| 12:59.38 | Lathiat | an ipaq 3870 |
| 12:59.41 | Lathiat | what res is that? |
| 12:59.48 | koen | 240x320 |
| 12:59.52 | Lathiat | yeh |
| 12:59.53 | Lathiat | thats it |
| 12:59.55 | Lathiat | so perhaps not? |
| 13:00.30 | Lathiat | hmm, gpe-package is takign its time reading in the package lists |
| 13:02.53 | Eseob | can someone tell me how to enable ipkg to find other packages than the base feed? - i need to upgrade sablevm |
| 13:04.00 | koen | doesn't the package manager have an "add feed" option for that? |
| 13:04.03 | Lathiat | Eseob: well gpe-package has a feed page |
| 13:04.13 | Lathiat | else i think its /etc/ipkg.conf or somethign |
| 13:04.23 | koen | /etc/ipkg/*.conf |
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| 13:07.22 | Eseob | thx a lot to all!! |
| 13:07.57 | Eseob | btw anyone in here familiar with sablevm ? ;) |
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| 13:09.07 | wahlau | re |
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| 13:31.53 | Lathiat | Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.2/feed/base/libgnutls11_1.0.23-r4_arm.ipk |
| 13:31.56 | Lathiat | ipkg: (null): Bad address |
| 13:31.57 | Lathiat | that doesnt look so good. :P |
| 13:31.59 | Lathiat | ipkg: (null): Bad address |
| 13:34.04 | florian_kc | Eseob: reenoo knows about it, he shows up here frequently... |
| 13:36.02 | Eseob | thank you florian - i think i will show up here frequently too in the future ;) |
| 13:39.29 | Lathiat | i just want to say 0.8.2 and gpe totally kicks ass and thansk to everyone who hacks/contributes etc |
| 13:39.34 | Lathiat | its come along way since 0.7 and 0.8.0 |
| 13:42.50 | florian_kc | yeah.. a little bit slow from my point of vew, but it starts to become better. |
| 13:50.34 | koobla | just flashed my first gpe image :)) |
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| 13:52.17 | TyggerBob | 'lo all |
| 13:52.17 | koen | buenas dias TyggerBob |
| 13:52.40 | florian_kc | hey TyggerBob! |
| 13:53.10 | TyggerBob | Hi koen, florian_kc |
| 13:53.15 | TyggerBob | how's things going? |
| 13:53.21 | Lathiat | ok contacts and todo list syncs |
| 13:53.37 | TyggerBob | man.. it's supposed to be quiet in april and may, damnit! |
| 13:56.04 | florian_kc | TyggerBob: really busy, but apart from this... fine, really. |
| 13:56.47 | TyggerBob | yeah.. normally, after the government fiscal year ends at the end of march, our work drops off like a stone, but this year, for some reason, we've been super busy.. |
| 13:56.59 | TyggerBob | I ran a two day computer forensics course last week.. that was pretty cool. |
| 14:09.54 | koen | TyggerBob: does computer forensics involve riding in a hummer and having emily proctor as an assistant? |
| 14:10.13 | TyggerBob | Wouldn't that be nice.../ |
| 14:10.39 | TyggerBob | I'll tell you one thing, we don't just flip open the suspect's laptop and start browsing their emails :) |
| 14:14.56 | XorA | that reminds me, whats the state of encrypted drives in linux these days? A GPE booting off encrypted flash would be geek coolness! |
| 14:15.09 | koen | XorA: don't tempt me |
| 14:15.24 | XorA | koen: Id show that off at DNScon proudly :-D |
| 14:15.28 | koen | I'm still contemplating using cryptoloop everywehere :) |
| 14:16.04 | TyggerBob | koen: for SecTest, that would be invaluable |
| 14:16.09 | koen | and "filevault" as apple calls it |
| 14:17.03 | XorA | although Id assume we'd need initramfs to make it work properly |
| 14:18.52 | florian_kc | hmmm encrypted flash would be pretty geek... |
| 14:18.55 | XorA | SecureGPE would hit a few buzzword freaks as well |
| 14:19.19 | koen | mmmmm SecureGPE |
| 14:19.58 | florian_kc | But we would need some mechanism to enter some secret... |
| 14:20.23 | koen | gringots? |
| 14:20.33 | XorA | koen: SmartCards |
| 14:20.52 | TyggerBob | if you could incorporate the thumbprint reader for the 5xxx's that would rock |
| 14:20.52 | koen | brrrr |
| 14:21.30 | XorA | TyggerBob: we had that working with SD cards here but some mongo in management lost the software |
| 14:21.53 | TyggerBob | or maybe a tiny SD/CF card with a token on it that you authenticate to and then put your regular card in for use. |
| 14:22.07 | TyggerBob | like a little 16mb card or something |
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| 14:22.42 | XorA | TyggerBob: www.xmobilecard.com (our product) |
| 14:22.52 | florian_kc | koen: that migth be worth porting to gpe... but i was still thinking about the encrypted flash. |
| 14:23.48 | koen | cryptoloop over jffs2 I guess |
| 14:25.04 | koen | if you care about wearleveling |
| 14:25.17 | TyggerBob | XorA: very cool |
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| 15:01.51 | rob_w-cgi2 | hmmm aircrack , that sounds promising |
| 15:03.17 | rob_w-cgi2 | someone could do me a really big faviour and compile meta-sdk for h3900 , that would rock for me ! |
| 15:04.11 | florian_kc | rob_w-cgi2: why don't you use the compiled one? |
| 15:05.10 | rob_w-cgi2 | florian_kc : as you might remmeber i want to compile directly with the ipaq |
| 15:06.31 | rob_w-cgi2 | as i am going to work by train everyday for about 4 hours i have some much time and i would love to be able to compile apps directly on gpe and test it .. also i am getting a CF gsm card from xtops.de soon , where it would need some hardware level coding |
| 15:07.17 | rob_w-cgi2 | and so it would be wonderfull to not loose precisous brain cells on how to make the sdk but actually use it |
| 15:12.52 | rob_w-cgi2 | can u do this for me flo ? |
| 15:15.33 | rob_w-cgi2 | i will just continue begging , right ? |
| 15:15.45 | rob_w-cgi2 | thanx cu at my home pc ! |
| 15:16.00 | florian_kc | rob_w-cgi2: maybe... i hope for some more free time at the end of the week. |
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| 15:44.49 | tommie | Hm, is there another MP3-Player except vlc? With an x11 interface? |
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| 15:45.25 | reenoo | afternoon |
| 15:45.51 | TyggerBob | re |
| 15:46.01 | koen|dinner | hey reenoo & TyggerBob |
| 15:46.02 | reenoo | hey TyggerBob |
| 15:46.15 | reenoo | yo koen |
| 15:46.30 | TyggerBob | mmmmm. dinner.. what did you have, koen |
| 15:46.31 | TyggerBob | ? |
| 15:47.16 | koen | fishsticks and buttered potatoes with a goatcheese/smoke chicken/cashewnuts/lettuce salad |
| 15:48.33 | TyggerBob | mmm.. sounds yummy.. |
| 15:48.54 | koen | it was :) |
| 15:49.22 | koen | ~hail "35% off" stickers |
| 15:49.23 | ibot | ACTION bows down to "35% off" stickers and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 15:49.40 | TyggerBob | last night (for mother's day) we had barbequed steaks, with grilled seasoned vegetable packets (potatos, carrots, green beans, onions, etc) |
| 15:49.55 | TyggerBob | Not sure what's on the books tonight.. |
| 15:49.56 | koen | that's sounds yummy too |
| 15:50.01 | TyggerBob | It was |
| 15:50.26 | TyggerBob | My inlaws are here this week, so things are bumped up a notch |
| 15:50.48 | TyggerBob | although, now that its warm, the barbeque gets used very often |
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| 15:56.17 | TyggerBob | mmm.. just talked to my wife.. our nanny's making her patented spring rolls for dinner tonight... |
| 15:56.20 | TyggerBob | Yay!!! |
| 15:56.48 | reenoo | *patented* |
| 15:57.16 | reenoo | (gave a talk on software patents this morning...) |
| 15:57.16 | TyggerBob | you'd be running to these puppies.. VERY yummy |
| 15:57.25 | TyggerBob | cool.. how'd it go? |
| 15:57.52 | TyggerBob | Is there a patent on the presentation, or can you share? |
| 15:58.28 | reenoo | all fine. it was just that we didn't have enough time to cover everything we had prepared |
| 15:58.33 | TyggerBob | the reason I ask, is that we're starting up a secure software development group in the company I work for and patents have been in our discussions often. |
| 15:58.57 | koen | florian_kc: libgpewidget doesn't build with the latest cairo |
| 15:59.01 | TyggerBob | we do a lot of prototyping for other companies, and then hand the working models over to them for a fee |
| 15:59.01 | koen | *again* |
| 15:59.08 | TyggerBob | argg!!! |
| 15:59.31 | koen | ~whaleslap the cairo people |
| 15:59.32 | ibot | ACTION slaps the cairo people upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 15:59.44 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:02.13 | koen | buenos tarde tigrux |
| 16:02.41 | TyggerBob | Heya tigrux |
| 16:03.01 | reenoo | TyggerBob: well. the presentation was for a course at university and in german. also, it was aimed at giving a broad overview of the "big picture". i.e. historical overview, copyright vs. patent law, US vs EU law, EPO (European Patent Office) case law, different positions towards software patents, the state of affairs of the EU swpat directive, etc. etc. |
| 16:04.03 | reenoo | TyggerBob: in 45 mins plus discussion you can't go into great detail when covering all that... |
| 16:04.59 | TyggerBob | True |
| 16:05.06 | TyggerBob | and, in german.. not much help here :) |
| 16:05.12 | TyggerBob | Sounds cool, though.. |
| 16:05.46 | tigrux | Muy buena tarde. |
| 16:07.32 | TyggerBob | man.. with all the PDA's going wireless, it's getting harder and harder to find a CF Ethernet card these days... |
| 16:16.42 | koen | sdgsystems has one |
| 16:20.46 | florian_kc | koen: oh dear |
| 16:20.54 | florian_kc | ~lart cairo |
| 16:24.57 | mallum | florian_kc: *sigh* |
| 16:25.44 | TyggerBob | koen: thanks.. but eek.. $50US |
| 16:25.59 | pb_ | hi TyggerBob |
| 16:26.15 | florian_kc | mallum: Is there a Cairo release on the horizon? |
| 16:26.18 | TyggerBob | heya Phil |
| 16:26.30 | mallum | florian_kc: yeah end of summer I think |
| 16:26.47 | florian_kc | Kdrive suffers from the same problem :-( |
| 16:27.27 | mallum | florian_kc: I didn't realise kdrive was a library |
| 16:27.38 | mallum | florian_kc: with an ever changing API |
| 16:28.15 | pb_ | mallum: now you know. |
| 16:28.20 | florian_kc | mallum: no... but it seems to break from time to time. |
| 16:28.35 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 16:29.59 | mallum | florian_kc: use the Xfree release then |
| 16:31.13 | florian_kc | mallum: that's definitely something to think about. |
| 16:34.26 | TyggerBob | Gonna go meet my father in law for lunch and go to the new war museum for the afternoon.. |
| 16:34.33 | TyggerBob | hey.. koen, where about are you from again? |
| 16:34.54 | koen | TyggerBob: I'm currently living in Enschede, the netherlands |
| 16:35.02 | koen | but I was born in apeldoorn |
| 16:35.19 | koen | (where the big parade was last week)y |
| 16:35.37 | TyggerBob | with our remaining old vet? |
| 16:35.40 | TyggerBob | vets... |
| 16:35.42 | koen | yes |
| 16:35.59 | TyggerBob | you guys were very good to them.. |
| 16:36.08 | TyggerBob | it's very touching for me, being ex-military |
| 16:36.27 | TyggerBob | much appreciated |
| 16:37.21 | koen | When I was little they always gave me those cool mapleleafs pins |
| 16:37.30 | koen | and lots of foreign coins |
| 16:37.56 | koen | and a sligthly black colour from all the exhaust fumes :) |
| 16:37.58 | TyggerBob | Ahhhh.. |
| 16:38.00 | TyggerBob | hehehehe |
| 16:38.06 | TyggerBob | I gotta run.. |
| 16:38.08 | TyggerBob | TTYL |
| 16:38.10 | koen | have fun |
| 16:38.16 | reenoo | later TyggerBob |
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| 17:37.40 | mallum | koen: I just changed one line of code in matchbox-stroke |
| 17:38.07 | mallum | koen: sped it up by approx sped it up by a factor of (320x320)/64 |
| 17:38.16 | koen | cool |
| 17:38.33 | koen | about 1500 times |
| 17:39.33 | mallum | prolly not as much as that |
| 17:39.36 | mallum | but by a lot |
| 17:40.39 | florian_kc | mallum: psp? |
| 17:40.48 | mallum | florian_kc: playstation portable |
| 17:41.12 | koen | mallum: homebrew code being your OGL mediaplayer? |
| 17:41.51 | florian_kc | mallum: cool... running which OS? |
| 17:42.07 | mallum | playstation OS I guess :/ |
| 17:42.34 | ||cw | i realy hope that device is hackable |
| 17:42.44 | florian_kc | :-( |
| 17:42.58 | ||cw | probably too much DRM in it though |
| 17:43.43 | mallum | ||cw: I have a jap 1.0 psp, totally hackable |
| 17:43.51 | ||cw | what ever happened to that linux based sony device? |
| 17:45.37 | mallum | ||cw: I think some exist |
| 17:45.44 | mallum | ||cw: high end video stuff I think |
| 17:45.53 | mallum | ||cw: also did a crappy ps2 linux thing |
| 17:46.06 | ||cw | it was a handheld |
| 17:46.29 | mallum | dunno 'bout that |
| 17:46.30 | ||cw | pvp i think, nice screen and a hard disk |
| 17:48.56 | ||cw | ah, no, car-nav http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6146656870.html |
| 17:48.56 | mallum | florian_kc: this has a r4000 mips cpu |
| 17:50.52 | florian_kc | mallum: cool! that's nice... |
| 17:51.02 | florian_kc | like my indy :-) |
| 17:51.09 | mallum | florian_kc: yeah |
| 17:51.15 | koen | like my indigo2(ish) |
| 17:52.37 | florian_kc | *musthave* |
| 18:02.04 | koen | florian_kc: does nils plan to release a better version (e.g. having hard goals) of the plan for 3.0 after guadec? |
| 18:06.41 | florian_kc | koen: no idea.. but i think after guadec there will be a little bit more time for plans. currently there is no time at all... |
| 18:06.53 | florian_kc | except of my free evenings and nights |
| 18:08.27 | florian_kc | But i think it's worth doing all this :-) |
| 18:12.55 | koen | florian_kc: I'm thinking about a document/webpage listing all gpe "modules" with "enhancements needed for 3.0" |
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| 18:19.28 | koen | where the "enhancements" are coming from nils' masterplan and user requests |
| 18:19.54 | mallum | florian_kc, koen : http://butterfeet.org/pics/psphomebrew.jpg :) |
| 18:20.12 | koen | heh |
| 18:23.51 | mallum | koen: http://butterfeet.org/pics/7940.jpg ;-) |
| 18:24.04 | koen | that's what triggered it |
| 18:24.18 | mallum | koen: that thing was such a bitch to set up |
| 18:24.29 | koen | I can imagine |
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| 18:24.50 | koen | what's a good linux desktop void client? |
| 18:25.03 | mallum | koen: I dont think there is one |
| 18:25.33 | florian_kc | koen: that's a good idea |
| 18:25.56 | mallum | koen: gnome-meeting cvs has sip support but I couldn't get it too build |
| 18:26.11 | mallum | koen: minisip is ok, but I've had troubles getting that to connect happily |
| 18:26.26 | florian_kc | mallum: cool |
| 18:26.41 | florian_kc | hrm... everyone seems to have one of this nice ibm notebooks... |
| 18:29.29 | mallum | florian_kc: they are nice |
| 18:29.40 | koen | are they sturdy? |
| 18:29.40 | mallum | florian_kc: especially the 'p' s |
| 18:29.45 | mallum | koen: yeah well sturdy |
| 18:30.03 | mallum | koen: all hardware pretty much well supported |
| 18:30.11 | mallum | koen: 1400x1050 display with GL accel |
| 18:30.22 | florian_kc | yeah... everyone around me seems to have one. |
| 18:30.45 | florian_kc | Linux support seems to be perfect... and its really hard to destroy them. |
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| 18:49.16 | koen | gah |
| 18:49.47 | koen | csi is doing the "camera films eye, magnify 1000x to see reflection in eye" thing again |
| 18:57.05 | florian_kc | heh |
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| 19:54.38 | rob_wpda | heya |
| 19:58.36 | rob_wpda | so i finally got my hands back on the gphone src |
| 19:59.08 | rob_wpda | whois around? |
| 20:05.20 | koen | hey rob_wpda |
| 20:08.27 | rob_wpda | koen: tell me a new name for a gpe gsm phone application |
| 20:08.50 | koen | gpe-phone? |
| 20:09.07 | rob_wpda | and i will honour it as this time first guess |
| 20:09.14 | rob_wpda | well |
| 20:09.49 | rob_wpda | gphone is actually used by some commercial voip app |
| 20:10.32 | rob_wpda | gomunicator |
| 20:10.38 | rob_wpda | hehehe |
| 20:10.48 | rob_wpda | hail the g |
| 20:11.07 | pb_ | heh |
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| 20:17.28 | rob_wpda | that name looks free |
| 20:20.02 | rob_wpda | i still cannot ssh out, can some one assit me? |
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| 20:32.16 | koen | hey Philippe |
| 20:37.18 | Philippe | hey koen. |
| 20:37.56 | Philippe | Anything special happening? ( I just got back from holiday and catching up e-mail etc...) |
| 20:38.11 | koen | I did that yesterday :) |
| 20:39.43 | Philippe | :-) |
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| 21:08.02 | florian | re |
| 21:08.25 | koen | florian: welcome back |
| 21:13.44 | tommie | Hm, did anyone try prboom on GPE? |
| 21:16.33 | tommie | Hm, is the SDL packages broken? |
| 21:16.47 | tommie | Always tries to pull me towards opie |
| 21:17.56 | koen | hmmm |
| 21:18.10 | koen | sounds like prboom is built against sdl-qpe |
| 21:19.03 | tommie | I'll try rott |
| 21:19.51 | tommie | Depends: libsdl-mixer-1.2-0 (>= 1.2.5), libsdl-net-1.2-0 (>= 1.2.5), libsdl-x11 (>= 1.2.7), libqpe1 (>= 1.2.0), libqte2 (>= 2.3.10), libc6 (>= 2.3.2+cvs20040726), libgcc1 (>= 3.4.3) |
| 21:19.51 | tommie | for prboom |
| 21:19.51 | tommie | hm |
| 21:19.58 | koen | hmmm |
| 21:20.01 | koen | that's strange |
| 21:20.41 | tommie | hm |
| 21:20.42 | tommie | | Installing rott (1.0-r1) to root... |
| 21:20.42 | tommie | | Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.2/feed/x11/rott_1.0-r1_arm.ipk |
| 21:20.45 | tommie | | Installing libqte2 (2.3.10-r12) to root... |
| 21:21.16 | tommie | ERROR: Package libqte2 (parent libqte2) is not available from any configured src. |
| 21:21.21 | koen | yup |
| 21:21.23 | tommie | OK, I don't have the opie feed |
| 21:21.41 | koen | looks like rott and prboom are off the OpieEmbedded generation |
| 21:22.05 | tommie | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.2/feed/x11/Packages |
| 21:22.24 | tommie | There are a lot of packages (especially games) that depend on libqte/libqpe |
| 21:22.30 | koen | yeah |
| 21:22.37 | koen | the OpieZaurus people did that |
| 21:24.05 | tommie | scummvm as well depends on libqte1 |
| 21:24.17 | tommie | and libqte2 |
| 21:24.21 | reenoo | koen: how so? |
| 21:24.53 | koen | reenoo: probably imported from the OpieZaurus buildroot |
| 21:24.55 | reenoo | koen: to my knowledge the shlibdeps code in OE simply doesn't know about virtuals |
| 21:25.50 | koen | DEPENDS = "virtual/libqpe libsdl-qpe libsdl-image libsdl-mixer" |
| 21:26.00 | koen | that pulls in libsdl-qpe |
| 21:26.12 | reenoo | DEPENDS!=RDEPENDS |
| 21:26.41 | koen | I know |
| 21:27.00 | koen | I have a feeling libsdl-qpe rdepends on qte |
| 21:27.11 | reenoo | well. even if that DEPENDS line wasn't there things would not work |
| 21:27.50 | reenoo | the shlibdeps code will pick either the -x11 or the -qpe version of libsdl |
| 21:28.26 | reenoo | at least that's what bluelightning was having issues with at the time of the 0.8.2 release |
| 21:28.33 | koen | indeed |
| 21:29.45 | XorA-gone | koen: all SDL apps use sdl-config --libs |
| 21:29.54 | XorA-gone | koen: so they pull in libqte that way |
| 21:30.08 | koen | they shouldn't |
| 21:30.16 | koen | I have sdl-x11 as preferred provider |
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| 21:30.52 | XorA-gone | koen: well I mean in feeds, the apps end uprandomly dependant depending what the person that oploads them uses as his desktop |
| 21:30.59 | koen | correct |
| 21:31.15 | koen | that's why I build x11 ones and paul opie ones |
| 21:31.51 | tommie | Boy, ScummVM would be great |
| 21:31.57 | koen | indeed |
| 21:32.29 | koen | monkey island |
| 21:32.36 | koen | I just found my bounty pack |
| 21:32.41 | koen | MI 1,2 & 3 |
| 21:32.56 | tommie | great :-) |
| 21:33.12 | reenoo | heh |
| 21:33.27 | tommie | Now if ScummVM get's fixed, I can cancel my computer science studies completely :-) |
| 21:33.31 | tommie | gets |
| 21:34.24 | reenoo | hehe |
| 21:34.52 | koen | scummvm actually work with ppc, so I don't need linux on my pda anymore |
| 21:35.09 | reenoo | tommie: sounds familiar. (except that I'm not into games...) |
| 21:35.10 | koen | works* |
| 21:37.49 | reenoo | I guess I stopped playing games when I didn't have access to amiga boxes any more and DOS games wouldn't work because there was "not enough memory" |
| 21:38.05 | XorA-gone | reenoo: UAE on the Z then |
| 21:38.34 | tommie | hehe |
| 21:41.04 | tommie | Argh, uae is alo about to install libqte2 |
| 21:41.21 | tommie | koen: "The List" is going to get large I guess :-) |
| 21:44.17 | reenoo | XorA-gone: hmm.. lemmings.. ;) |
| 21:44.33 | XorA-gone | reenoo: it ran at about 80% speed on sharp rom on C860 |
| 21:44.46 | XorA-gone | reenoo: so with newer gcc and stuff maybe go faster |
| 21:47.47 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 21:53.55 | koen | 'night all |
| 22:09.47 | Philippe | goodnight |
| 22:10.39 | florian | Philippe: night |
| 22:25.40 | florian | good night |
| 22:29.20 | tommie | Hm, did anyone use the gpe filemanager? |
| 22:29.29 | tommie | I tried to enable it, but it did not who up |
| 22:32.38 | tommie | Ah OK, the package was not installed |
| 22:36.39 | Yog | am I doing somehting wrong ? I'm trying to build a gpe-image. used the latest openembedded snapshot, however a lot of download urls seem to be out of date ?! is this normal ? |
| 22:43.07 | tommie | Hm, what does /usr/lib/matchbox/desktop/simplefilebrowser.so do? If I enable it, nothing happens |
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