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| 02:43.51 | p0m | ~botmail for mallum http://www.gpl-violations.org/ <-- Have a read :) |
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| 02:55.57 | benplaut | is there a sort of 'master list' of the various X programs that have successfully been run on GPE? |
| 03:02.22 | p0m | benplaut: ipkgfind.handhelds.org |
| 03:07.53 | benplaut | thanks |
| 03:08.20 | benplaut | so it isn't possible to run Gimp in GPE? |
| 03:09.01 | p0m | I wouldn't want to try it. |
| 03:09.28 | benplaut | would it maybe brick your PDA? or just too large a program... |
| 03:13.08 | p0m | It wouldn't brick it, it'd just take twelve years to render something. |
| 03:15.11 | benplaut | ahhh... |
| 03:15.28 | benplaut | keep forgetting the mere 416MHz processor :P |
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| 08:31.26 | dballester | hi to all |
| 08:33.00 | dballester | I'm getting / at 100% what can be deleted to give space? TIA |
| 08:34.06 | florian_hrz | hi all |
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| 08:37.10 | bedboi | hi there |
| 08:38.04 | florian_hrz | hi bedboi |
| 08:39.30 | dballester | hi all |
| 08:41.34 | florian_hrz | hi dballester |
| 08:58.11 | florian_hrz | ibot: botmail for pb_ Is gpe-buttonbox what we want to switch tasks on devices using gpe-appmgr? |
| 09:28.16 | florian_hrz | hmm... dinner... |
| 09:28.21 | florian_hrz | hi mickeyl :-) |
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| 09:40.23 | mickeyl | morning |
| 09:44.39 | mallum | hey |
| 09:45.12 | florian_hrz | hi mallum |
| 10:05.34 | florian_hrz | bbl |
| 10:06.12 | Cwiiis | mickeyl: Morning - What was it you wanted me to do with the newsletter? |
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| 10:08.49 | mickeyl | Cwiiis: morning. to formulate one or to sections |
| 10:08.58 | mickeyl | Cwiiis: see the GPE section in the 2005.01 newsletter |
| 10:09.04 | mickeyl | just some sentences out of the keywords |
| 10:12.35 | Cwiiis | I don't know what the new features are, or much about the dbus stuff, but I'll do my best |
| 10:19.33 | Cwiiis | Philippe: Got a screenshot of gpe-helpviewer |
| 10:19.34 | Cwiiis | ? |
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| 10:31.01 | Cwiiis | mickey|meeting: http://www.soton.ac.uk/~cil103/stuff/gpe-May2005 - I've filled every bullet point as best I could (all of them except the first) |
| 10:31.51 | reenoo | afternoon |
| 10:32.15 | Cwiiis | hey reenoo |
| 10:33.21 | reenoo | hi Cwiiis |
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| 10:47.56 | florian_kc | re |
| 10:57.57 | Toni | howdy |
| 10:58.16 | florian_kc | hi tommie |
| 10:58.19 | florian_kc | *gnaa* |
| 10:58.23 | florian_kc | hi Toni |
| 10:58.24 | Toni | does matchbox have some magic with window titles? My libglade-based apps don't get window title shown at all |
| 10:58.44 | Toni | fe. xterm shows however |
| 11:00.24 | florian_kc | Not that i'm aware of.. it defaults to argv[0] imho. |
| 11:00.33 | Toni | oh |
| 11:00.37 | Toni | that's why |
| 11:00.46 | Toni | can it be told to use whatever app sets? :) |
| 11:03.47 | florian_kc | You can set the title of the window from gtk. Imho it should be easy to add it to the glade description of the window. |
| 11:04.07 | Toni | well I have a title set in Glade already :) |
| 11:04.14 | Toni | but in two separate apps it seems it doesn't get shown :o |
| 11:04.32 | Toni | fe. gtk-demo doesn't show it |
| 11:04.43 | florian_kc | Oh... nasty, sounds like a bug. |
| 11:04.47 | Toni | indeed |
| 11:04.53 | Toni | can you reproduce? |
| 11:05.03 | Toni | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.09 | florian_kc | hmm... let me try |
| 11:05.17 | Toni | -use_titlebar <yes|no> |
| 11:05.18 | florian_kc | oh, the new one? |
| 11:05.21 | Toni | this doesn't seem to have effect |
| 11:05.26 | Toni | mallum: ideas? :) |
| 11:08.18 | florian_kc | Toni: It looks ok on my iPaq, but my matchbox is older. |
| 11:09.48 | Toni | I test on desktop, x86 |
| 11:10.06 | Toni | and I have no other matchbox- stuff than -keyboard and -windowmanager running |
| 11:10.09 | Toni | no session etc. |
| 11:15.17 | dballester | any package to see videos in my collie ? gpe-vlc seems to have broken deps again :/ |
| 11:16.17 | bedboi | Cwiiis: there? |
| 11:16.27 | bedboi | Cwiiis: are you mantaining gxine? |
| 11:18.15 | florian_kc | dballester: gxine :-) |
| 11:18.46 | dballester | gxine is in ipkg :? |
| 11:19.19 | Cwiiis | bedboi: Yes |
| 11:19.24 | florian_kc | not sure about this, but Cwiiis should know. |
| 11:19.30 | florian_kc | oh |
| 11:19.52 | Cwiiis | bedboi: But lacking time at the mo, so won't be able to update it in a little while |
| 11:19.58 | Cwiiis | dballester: gxine is in the OZ upgrades feed |
| 11:20.06 | Cwiiis | ogg playing doesn't work however |
| 11:20.29 | bedboi | Cwiiis: i can't bitbake it |
| 11:20.47 | bedboi | ERROR: log data follows (/dvdrip/stuff/build/tmp//work/gxine-0.4.1enhanced-r0/temp/log.do_configure.6245) |
| 11:20.47 | bedboi | | mv: cannot stat `/dvdrip/stuff/build/tmp//work/gxine-0.4.1enhanced-r0/*.png': No such file or directory |
| 11:21.20 | dballester | Cwiiis: In deed, i executed ipkg -d sd install gxine and it's installing like a champion :) |
| 11:22.37 | dballester | one question: if i force the install to be done in a specific destination ( sd card, for example ) subsequent packages deps will be installed in the specified destination ? |
| 11:30.20 | bedboi | Cwiiis: got some hints? |
| 11:30.47 | Cwiiis | bedboi: Let me take a look |
| 11:31.01 | Cwiiis | dballester: Yes |
| 11:32.55 | Cwiiis | bedboi: Looks like you might be missing files? In openembedded/packages/gxine/files/, there should be some png files (all start with 'rhythmbox') |
| 11:33.42 | Cwiiis | bedboi: bk co -r -q, maybe |
| 11:36.29 | dballester | may be i'm a nerd but after gxine s |
| 11:37.18 | Cwiiis | bbl |
| 11:38.51 | bedboi | ok |
| 11:39.03 | tommie | Where can I get a gxine package? |
| 12:03.14 | mallum | Toni: you are not running your glade app fullscreen or some such ? |
| 12:03.31 | mallum | Toni: is the actual title text missing or the whole titlebar ? |
| 12:09.42 | Toni | mallum: not fullscreen kind of; I first launch matchbox-windowmanager, then matchbox-keyboard |
| 12:09.45 | Toni | then my glade app |
| 12:09.51 | Toni | the title is missing, the bar is there but empty |
| 12:23.49 | dballester | maybe i'm a nerd but after gxine installation ( a lot of deps ) i'm not able to find a launcher for it. :? |
| 12:29.50 | tommie | Ah, nice. I found a bug concerning the handling of network devices during suspend. There is an apm script to restore the network, but hotplug also brings up the niterface, so there is a conflict between them. Where can I address a bug report and patches to? |
| 12:31.11 | florian_kc | tommie: Thats part of the distribution... to the mailinglist of the distribution you use would be the best i think. |
| 12:31.18 | tommie | ah |
| 12:31.49 | tommie | wrong window :) |
| 12:32.58 | florian_kc | hehe |
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| 12:42.16 | dballester | florian_kc: i've installed gxine, but i'm not able to see any gxine executable or launcher, i'm missing something? |
| 12:43.12 | florian_kc | dballester: oh ell... i don't know about that package... it's a quite new one. Cwiiis[away] would be the master of gxine. |
| 12:44.04 | dballester | ok, thx :) |
| 12:45.31 | mallum | tommie: can you scap it ? |
| 12:46.03 | tommie | scap? |
| 12:46.12 | tommie | I'd have to look that up in a dictionary :) |
| 12:46.35 | tommie | mallum: What does "scap" mean? |
| 12:46.54 | tommie | Ha, fixed the network issue |
| 12:51.02 | florian_kc | tommie: The scap tool creates a screenshot and uploads it to http://handhelds.org/scap |
| 12:51.13 | tommie | ah |
| 12:51.38 | tommie | mallum: But what should I make a screenshot of? |
| 12:51.39 | florian_kc | tommie: there should be "online screenshot" in the applauncher menu. it fires after five seconds... |
| 12:51.43 | tommie | yes |
| 12:51.48 | tommie | I've already seen it :) |
| 12:52.14 | florian_kc | well... /me has no idea... mallum? |
| 12:54.51 | florian_kc | brb, food |
| 12:55.51 | mallum | tommie: of you libglade app with no titlebar |
| 12:56.05 | tommie | I have no libglade app, not even with a titlebar :) |
| 12:56.18 | tommie | mallum: I guess you refer to Toni? |
| 13:00.12 | mallum | tommie: yeah, hehe :/ |
| 13:00.19 | mallum | tommie: sorry |
| 13:00.26 | tommie | mallum: No problem :) |
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| 13:23.40 | dballester | Cwiiis[uni]: some people said me tht you are the 'master of gxine' :) |
| 13:38.07 | Cwiiis[uni] | dballester: If by 'master', they mean 'maintainer', then yes :p hehe |
| 13:41.34 | tommie | OK, dropped a mail at the familiar ml |
| 13:45.38 | tommie | Hm, how can I create custom directories on my desktop? I tried to follow the matchbox documentation, but so far I had no look |
| 13:47.38 | mallum | tommie: mkdir ~/.applications, cp /usr/share/applications/some.desktop ~/.applications/ , rename + edit it for what you want, log in/out |
| 13:48.00 | dballester | Cwiiis[uni]: Should be :) |
| 13:48.45 | tommie | mallum: That's exactly what I did :) |
| 13:49.00 | dballester | Cwiiis[uni]: I've installed all about gxine and finished fine, but i can't find any gxine executable or launcher, i'm missing anything? |
| 13:49.13 | Cwiiis[uni] | dballester: Any reason you ask? |
| 13:49.43 | mallum | tommie: ~/.xsession-errors say anything ? |
| 13:49.48 | tommie | mallum: It worked for app icons, but not for the creation of directories |
| 13:49.53 | mallum | tommie: and you are running matchbox-desktop ? |
| 13:50.16 | tommie | sure |
| 13:50.21 | mallum | tommie: IIRC you need to cp /usr/share/matchbox/vfolders ~/.matchbox/vfolders and edit |
| 13:50.28 | tommie | otherwise I would not see any icons at all, would I? |
| 13:50.31 | tommie | ah |
| 13:50.40 | dballester | Cwiiis[uni]: well i supoused that after gxine install i could be able to type gxine and at least get the video screen, but seems that gxine doesn't exist at least in the executable path :? |
| 13:50.45 | mallum | tommie: you may be running gpe-appmgr thing |
| 13:51.07 | tommie | I'm not, my screen's to small for it |
| 13:51.29 | Cwiiis[uni] | dballester: ipkg-link mount /media/card/packages, perhaps? |
| 13:51.46 | tommie | mallum: I also tried vfolders, I'll try again... |
| 13:52.07 | tommie | hm, nothing there |
| 13:52.23 | tommie | | stefan@zepto:~/.matchbox/vfolders$ cat Net.directory |
| 13:52.23 | tommie | | [Desktop Entry] |
| 13:52.23 | tommie | | Name=Network |
| 13:52.25 | tommie | [...] |
| 13:52.32 | tommie | that should do it, or? |
| 13:52.49 | dballester | Cwiiis[uni]: yes, first time installing packges , sorry for the stupid question O:D |
| 13:53.10 | mallum | tommie: you need a match= key ? |
| 13:53.15 | tommie | ye |
| 13:53.16 | tommie | s |
| 13:53.22 | tommie | all included |
| 13:53.34 | Cwiiis[uni] | dballester: np :) |
| 13:53.41 | dballester | Cwiiis[uni]: gxine: error while loading shared libraries: libxine.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 13:53.44 | dballester | :? |
| 13:54.19 | Cwiiis[uni] | dballester: Where did you install libxine? How are you installing exactly? (that would indicate that libxine isn't installed/isn't accessible via root) |
| 13:54.27 | Cwiiis[uni] | I say via root, I mean isn't on / |
| 13:56.09 | dballester | ipkg -d sd install gxine |
| 13:56.34 | tommie | strange |
| 13:56.38 | tommie | mallum: any ideas left? |
| 13:56.58 | Cwiiis[uni] | dballester: Did it install libxine, etc.? |
| 13:58.26 | tommie | mallum: It works if I put Net.directory in /usr/share/matchbox/vfolders/ and place it into Root.order |
| 13:59.33 | dballester | Cwiiis[uni]: yes . libxine - 1.0-r2 - libxine |
| 13:59.39 | tommie | But I can only do this as root, there must be another way... |
| 14:00.34 | dballester | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.00 | mallum | tommie: ah yeah you have to edit root.order |
| 14:01.14 | tommie | mallum: in ~/, or the global one? |
| 14:01.43 | tommie | the one in ~/ does not work :-< |
| 14:03.24 | tommie | hm, I can copy Root.order and Root.desktop, but then I lose all global directories |
| 14:04.05 | mallum | tommie: you need to duplicate the whole lot :/ |
| 14:04.15 | tommie | that's ugly :-< |
| 14:04.25 | mallum | tommie: I look forward to the patch then |
| 14:04.29 | tommie | :) |
| 14:05.05 | tommie | Hey, I just created a solution for the suspend/hotplug/apm/hotplug/mapping issue, isn't that enough for one day? ;-) |
| 14:05.34 | mallum | tommie: IMHO it dont need to be pretty |
| 14:06.01 | tommie | hm |
| 14:06.19 | tommie | would be nice if it would merge the config |
| 14:06.33 | tommie | as a hack the global config could be moved into a single folder |
| 14:06.37 | tommie | or the local one |
| 14:07.22 | mallum | tommie: why ? |
| 14:08.02 | tommie | hm, I just thought about that, it only affects the directory structure, so icons of new installed apps will still appear? |
| 14:08.40 | mallum | tommie: so packages can create there own directorys and suddenly you've got a windows type situation of a massive start menu with hundreds of stupid seperate folders ? |
| 14:08.47 | tommie | hm |
| 14:08.47 | mallum | tommie: and that on a PDA ! |
| 14:09.30 | tommie | I can see your point, but now the packages are held from creating own directories |
| 14:09.42 | tommie | I don't know if this is more userfriendly than allowing it |
| 14:09.43 | mallum | tommie: right, thats deliberate |
| 14:15.42 | tommie | Hm, what I need now is a nice 320x240 background for my iPAQ, something with a linux-on-handhelds-theme :) |
| 14:16.59 | tommie | http://handhelds.org/~gpe/albums/readytousebackgrounds/ayo_linuxaddict.png That's fitting :) |
| 14:20.32 | ||cw | i use this one http://handhelds.org/~gpe/albums/readytousebackgrounds/ayo_tux.png |
| 14:20.47 | tommie | :) |
| 14:20.59 | dballester | cool :) |
| 14:21.22 | tommie | uuh, the expose desktop theme is slow like hell |
| 14:21.39 | ||cw | http://handhelds.org/~gpe/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=readytousebackgrounds&page=1 |
| 14:23.21 | tommie | AAAH, that sucker is rotating the image with the screen |
| 14:23.28 | tommie | Is there a way to prevent this? |
| 14:24.30 | tommie | Ha, with working suspend AND wlan, familiar/GPE is twice as nice as before :) |
| 14:26.04 | tommie | Hm, what do you think about the following feature: Instead of permanently showing the keyboard (and resizing the other windows), display the keyboard as long as a hardware key on the ipaq is pressed, letting the kb float over the other windows, and let is disappear as soon as the key is released |
| 14:29.05 | mallum | tommie: assuming there isn't a text entry below the keyboard win |
| 14:29.29 | ||cw | i hadn't noticed the rotate before |
| 14:29.39 | ||cw | i'd imagine that would be hard to fix |
| 14:29.46 | tommie | mallum: perhaps you could move it with the stylo, or it could be transparent |
| 14:30.19 | tommie | ||cw: I think the matchbox app would have to be able to counter rotate the file |
| 14:31.12 | tommie | mallum: But e.g. when using minimo, it's annoying that the keyboard forces minimo to resize and rerender the page just for some key entries |
| 14:31.13 | mallum | A trick is to use a 320x320 image |
| 14:31.17 | tommie | hm |
| 14:32.03 | mallum | tommie: yo can build matchbox to manage the input wins like that but it needs support from the apps |
| 14:32.08 | mallum | tommie: and gpe dont have that |
| 14:32.24 | tommie | hm |
| 14:32.47 | tommie | OK, but might be a suggestion for the future |
| 14:33.28 | florian_kc | tommie: that idea about the keyboard sounds cool... |
| 14:33.33 | tommie | e.g you press the +/- key, and the keyboard floats in, you release it, and the keyboard moves away from the screen |
| 14:33.40 | florian_kc | mallum: what would we need to do to support this? |
| 14:33.55 | mallum | florian_kc: a kilo of crack ? |
| 14:34.02 | tommie | florian_kc: Think further, think *transparent* keyboard |
| 14:34.12 | mallum | florian_kc: apps should just summon the input method when they need it |
| 14:34.21 | tommie | would not be useful for everything, but would look cool |
| 14:34.35 | mallum | florian_kc: you shouldn't need to press any buttons |
| 14:34.44 | tommie | hm |
| 14:34.52 | tommie | atm I have to klick the keyboard icon |
| 14:35.05 | tommie | and minimo happily rerenders the complete web page |
| 14:35.34 | mallum | tommie: minimo maybe able to avoid doing that ( dougt would know ) |
| 14:35.50 | mallum | tommie: I agree it is dum its rerendering the entire page |
| 14:35.52 | florian_kc | tommie: sure... 100% transpareny is useless ;-) |
| 14:35.57 | tommie | :) |
| 14:36.19 | tommie | yes, but having a floating keyboard could come in handy for apps that don't need keyboard all the time |
| 14:36.23 | florian_kc | mallum: that should be not that complicated to patch into gtk |
| 14:36.38 | tommie | I'm using the terminal window to connect via ssh to my server, where my irssi is running |
| 14:37.06 | tommie | resizing the terminal window is annoying, but having the keyboard there all the time is also not needed |
| 14:37.17 | tommie | precious display space |
| 14:37.19 | florian_kc | mallum: imho someone else did this before... using gtk. |
| 14:38.29 | mallum | florian_kc: really ? |
| 14:38.42 | florian_kc | mallum: what different flavours of input window handling does matchbox support? |
| 14:38.58 | florian_kc | mallum: i think so, need to verify this... |
| 14:39.28 | mallum | florian_kc: you can do --enable-alt-input-wins |
| 14:40.19 | mallum | florian_kc: which sets up a quite complicated setup for the input window, where you what the transiency of the input win is set too affects what is resized etc |
| 14:40.30 | Cwiiis[uni] | dballester: I'd make sure they're linked to root... umount and mount if need be, if you have libxine installed, it should work fine |
| 14:40.31 | florian_kc | hmm... i really should play with matchbox a little bit. |
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| 14:41.06 | mallum | florian_kc: alt-input-wins kind of assumes only dialog windows take text input |
| 14:41.17 | mallum | florian_kc: its a very specific method |
| 14:41.47 | florian_kc | mallum: hmm right |
| 14:42.29 | mallum | florian_kc: another platform uses it, not GPE |
| 14:42.58 | dballester | Cwiiis[uni]: ok, i will reboot and see if has any problem wth symlinks |
| 14:44.22 | florian_kc | mallum: Something i could take a look at to get an impression about it? |
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| 15:48.25 | florian_kc | ibot: seen france? |
| 15:48.29 | ibot | france is currently on #handhelds.org (14h 44m 6s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 1h 58m 46s |
| 15:48.47 | tommie | re |
| 15:50.24 | florian_kc | tommie: wb |
| 15:51.06 | tommie | :) |
| 15:51.18 | tommie | Hm, will the +/- be supported in future versions? |
| 15:53.42 | florian_kc | I don't know what the problem with these keys is... do they generate keyboard events? |
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| 16:05.33 | tommie | florian_kc: No, that's the problem :) |
| 16:17.10 | florian_kc | tommie: taht might be a kernel issue... no idea if someone is working on this. but it sounds not really complicated. |
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| 16:28.57 | dballester | Cwiiis[uni]: After a cold reset, gxine runs well |
| 16:30.09 | dballester | Cwiiis[uni]: FYI: the welcome gxine setup wizard doesn't fit on the screen, at least in my collie with vertical screen |
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| 18:32.01 | oneab | Hello |
| 18:39.25 | oneab | I installed GPE on my H3850 it is really cool |
| 18:39.26 | oneab | and i am just a humble layman... not a hacker... can't code |
| 18:39.28 | oneab | how can I get PPP via Serial or USB on a XP... |
| 18:39.34 | oneab | I know that is bad... but the moment I improve my linux experience I will Immigrate to the south pole :) |
| 18:39.35 | oneab | I have a problem with time keeping... |
| 18:39.35 | oneab | please help :-) |
| 18:44.35 | florian_kc | hello oneab |
| 18:44.36 | oneab | hey :-) |
| 18:44.37 | florian_kc | oneab: there are only a few people here using ppp... i have no idea how it works, but there are some ppp howtos around. |
| 18:44.37 | florian_kc | oneab: i think there is something in handhelds.org wiki as well.... |
| 18:44.37 | oneab | I tried th win2000 but it didnt work |
| 18:44.37 | oneab | the ppp how to is empty :( |
| 18:44.37 | florian_kc | oneab: imho there is nothing special with ppp on ipaq... |
| 18:44.46 | oneab | http://www.handhelds.org/howto/win2kppp/win2kppp.html is not very clear |
| 18:49.12 | florian_kc | oneab: there are several ppp howtos around, there shouldn't be anything special on the ipaq. only the serial port is ttySA0 instead of ttyS0 |
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| 19:29.19 | Philippe | evening guys. I had a good suprise this morning. A GPE build with oe that completed in one go :-) |
| 19:30.27 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:30.28 | pb_ | very good |
| 19:31.49 | pb_ | I had a slightly less good surprise, in that my athlon xp3200+ build machine seems to have turned into an athlon 1700+. I'm not exactly sure what's going on there. |
| 19:36.05 | Philippe | pb_, maybe just a bios reset. Your FSB will be down to 100 instead of 166. |
| 19:36.49 | Philippe | Easy to fix by checking your bios settings |
| 19:37.05 | pb_ | Philippe: that was my thought also, but the fsb is configured by jumpers on this motherboard. |
| 19:39.09 | Philippe | Hmmm.... That is really strange.... |
| 19:40.00 | pb_ | Yeah. I'm guessing that there's some bad connection. I think it happened when the box was moved across town to our new offices. |
| 19:40.49 | pb_ | This morning it was crashing a lot as well. Re-seating the RAM seems to have cleared that one up. Maybe the CPU needs removing and refitting or something. |
| 19:41.18 | pb_ | or, conceivably, I suppose the motherboard could just be broken. |
| 19:41.23 | ||cw | hm, a 3200+ runs at 1.7Ghz? |
| 19:41.39 | ||cw | i know that 3000+ runs at 1.6 |
| 19:41.55 | ||cw | are you sure it's saying 1700+ or just 1700 ? |
| 19:42.21 | pb_ | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1700+ |
| 19:42.21 | pb_ | stepping : 0 |
| 19:42.21 | pb_ | cpu MHz : 1300.231 |
| 19:42.24 | pb_ | that's what it's saying. |
| 19:42.36 | Philippe | ||cw, I believe somewhere 2,4 I believe... my xp2600 does 2.1 (actually a bit more :-) ) |
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| 19:42.58 | ||cw | Philippe: if it's a k7, yes, but not a k8 |
| 19:43.27 | pb_ | it's a k7. |
| 19:44.08 | ||cw | it's either the mulitplier or the FSB |
| 19:45.39 | pb_ | so it would seem. |
| 19:46.27 | pb_ | oh well. I'll poke at it some more tomorrow. |
| 19:55.52 | rob_w | my asus board does loose the fsb normally when i turn off during POST phase .. |
| 19:56.14 | rob_w | then i am also down |
| 19:56.22 | pb_ | heh, that's rather poor. |
| 19:56.52 | rob_w | well as do not often do that i dont even notice .. but i know |
| 19:57.54 | rob_w | pb_: strange enough that your quite recent board still "depends" on the jumpers , mine here has both and i ve not seen MB with only jumpers long time |
| 19:59.12 | pb_ | I think most of the socket a boards that I have around the office still use jumpers, actually. |
| 19:59.30 | pb_ | though some of them might be able to change the fsb from the bios as well, I guess. |
| 20:00.46 | rob_w | my office pc also stopped working today ,, hmm |
| 20:01.00 | pb_ | oh dear |
| 20:02.19 | rob_w | also today i notice that playing mpeg via xine from sd card is noticably slower then from the flash |
| 20:03.27 | ||cw | rob_w: did you recompile with the debug code turned off? |
| 20:03.38 | ||cw | for hte sd driver that is |
| 20:04.26 | rob_w | i didnt compile at all as i got the mmc_asic3 as a package ( i believe ) |
| 20:04.41 | rob_w | but yes it does spit some messages |
| 20:06.50 | rob_w | ||cw: will it ever be smooth on a 3970 ? using xine ? |
| 20:07.05 | ||cw | it's not gxine's fault, it's the driver |
| 20:07.49 | ||cw | but yes, it well. either the next version or recompile the driver with the debug code off, i there's a patch on the wiki or on the bug tracker |
| 20:07.53 | ||cw | or in cvs |
| 20:09.33 | rob_w | i ii meant smooth when playing from flash also ? |
| 20:10.42 | pb_ | hi mickeyl |
| 20:12.24 | ||cw | rob_w: IIRC it's pretty new, so in time it will get better, or replaced |
| 20:12.44 | mickeyl | evening pb_ |
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| 20:34.38 | florian | re |
| 20:38.21 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 20:38.37 | pb_ | regarding your question about gpe-buttonbox, probably not. |
| 20:38.59 | pb_ | I think it takes up too much screen space for the functionality it provides. |
| 20:41.00 | florian | pb_: hey |
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| 20:44.17 | florian | pb_: that might be right... sounds like a proper solution is more work that i hoped. |
| 20:48.15 | pb_ | yeah |
| 20:48.23 | pb_ | I think we really want a panel applet or something. |
| 20:48.45 | pb_ | I guess you can use gpe-taskmanager as an interim solution. bind it to a key, or a monolaunch, or something. |
| 20:50.02 | mallum | florian: what are you trying todo ? |
| 20:51.05 | florian | pb_: okay |
| 20:53.20 | florian | mallum: to find a solution to switch to a running application with gpe-appmgr in front. |
| 20:56.12 | mallum | florian: ah |
| 20:58.15 | florian | mallum: i see... |
| 20:58.54 | florian | mallum: btw. did you get my question about that platform this morning? |
| 20:59.22 | mallum | florian: um, can you repeat ? my adsl has been nuts recently :/ |
| 21:02.00 | mallum | florian: the alternate input window management really isn't going to work easily with GPE |
| 21:02.25 | florian | mallum: You told me about a platform using that alternate input window feature. I asked if that's something i could take a look at somewhere. |
| 21:03.47 | mallum | florian: ah, not that I know of |
| 21:04.19 | mallum | florian: not yet anyway |
| 21:04.20 | florian | mallum: you mean i should forget about that for now? :-) |
| 21:04.41 | florian | mallum: sounds like some magic secret ;-) |
| 21:05.12 | mallum | florian: basically it depends on all text input happerning is dialogs, and the UI being very modal |
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| 21:06.04 | oneab | Hey |
| 21:06.12 | oneab | anybody here? |
| 21:06.19 | florian | mallum: hmm yes, that's really not thhe case in gpe. |
| 21:06.30 | florian | oneab: all the time :-) |
| 21:06.40 | oneab | GR8 :D |
| 21:06.48 | mallum | florian: yeah, it would take a lot of work to make it fit |
| 21:06.49 | oneab | I am a newbie |
| 21:07.19 | oneab | I installed linux on my h3850 |
| 21:07.49 | oneab | how do I ppp on a winxp |
| 21:07.58 | oneab | I am reallu a novice |
| 21:08.43 | mallum | florian: it would be nice for the apps to start the currently selected input method on demand |
| 21:08.56 | oneab | hacker wannabee :) |
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| 21:09.23 | mallum | oneab: you may have better luck asking in #handhelds.org |
| 21:09.34 | mallum | oneab: but to be honest you wont find many XP users |
| 21:09.44 | oneab | sorry |
| 21:10.22 | florian | heh |
| 21:10.27 | oneab | I teach digital culture at a colloge but not much experience in linux :) |
| 21:10.45 | oneab | http://oneab.net/talks/ doing my best |
| 21:10.59 | mallum | oneab: no need to appoligize |
| 21:11.33 | florian | oneab: it maybe sounds impolite, but the first step becoming a hacker is to learn how to find documentation. |
| 21:11.57 | oneab | yes... I was looking... |
| 21:17.04 | florian | hrm... isn't there a usbnet driver for xp? |
| 21:17.41 | oneab | it is full of bugs... |
| 21:29.00 | florian | :-/ |
| 21:29.20 | pb_ | yah, the xp usbnet driver is no good. |
| 21:29.45 | pb_ | the best hope for windows users seems to be using the rndis bits, but you need kernel 2.6 and the gadget stack for that. |
| 21:31.36 | pb_ | even on a linux host, usbnet is pretty bad. |
| 21:33.04 | Philippe | pb_, you can actually trick 2.4 in doing that decently too... I have to look up the hack I found (and we are using at work) for that. |
| 21:33.36 | pb_ | oh, right, that'd be neat. |
| 21:34.08 | pb_ | although, in a sense, it'd be better to encourage people to fix 2.6, rather than finding more ways to limp along with 2.4. |
| 21:34.22 | Philippe | I had to look into that because we have to use an old version of clearcase which forces us to use an old redhat 2.4.20 kernel... :-( |
| 21:34.33 | Philippe | ~lart redhat |
| 21:34.58 | Philippe | anyway 2.6 is way better for usb. |
| 22:48.27 | Philippe | goodnight |
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