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| 06:38.06 | alan | hi ! |
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| 06:42.53 | stealth | why dosent gpdf work? |
| 06:45.06 | alan | taht is not the only thing... gpe-conf screen and gpe-conf sleep segfaults on my c750... |
| 06:45.45 | stealth | damn bitrot |
| 06:45.58 | alan | bitrot ? |
| 06:46.14 | alan | stealth: what is that ? |
| 06:46.50 | stealth | projects that are abandon |
| 06:47.54 | alan | stealth: oki ! one more word to my personnal dic ^^ |
| 06:50.27 | stealth | this is retarded, no pdf viewer, no decent mp3 player (nmf skips), and no video player. is there anything else that fam/gpe cant do? |
| 06:51.23 | stealth | the pim is great though |
| 06:51.29 | stealth | woop de |
| 06:53.27 | alan | stealth: does vlc-gpe not work on familiar ? it is not as good as mplayer, but not that bad as a video player... |
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| 06:54.33 | stealth | alan, i will try it, thanks |
| 06:54.42 | stealth | really I want pdfs |
| 06:55.24 | stealth | so i can have all my IC datasheets in my hand |
| 06:58.01 | stealth | why does gpdf from the 0.8.0 feed want libgnomevfs from the 0.7 feed ? |
| 06:58.29 | stealth | cannot load module '/usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libfile.so' cannot open shared object no such file or directory |
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| 06:59.02 | koen | good morning all |
| 06:59.08 | stealth | hi koen |
| 07:05.13 | stealth | has anyone have gpdf working in 0.8.2 ? |
| 07:05.36 | koen | heh |
| 07:05.53 | koen | no, but XorA is trying to debug it |
| 07:07.49 | stealth | I had it working once but I guess I upset the gpe/fam gods |
| 07:08.00 | alan | koen : are you the person who managed to compile abiword ? |
| 07:09.03 | koen | yes |
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| 07:11.13 | stealth | Can we put a scanner in the wifi config like opie does; it is very useful. |
| 07:11.29 | koen | there is |
| 07:11.33 | koen | gpe-aerial |
| 07:12.00 | stealth | ohhhh yea, der.. from the tool bar |
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| 07:13.08 | koen | it always reminds me that typing a wepkey with the onscreen keyboard isn't fun |
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| 08:17.48 | mallum | koen|busy: hey really busy ? |
| 08:21.14 | koen|busy | mallum: when matlab isn't crunching numbers, yes |
| 08:21.21 | rob_w-cgi | i noticed a continuisly cracking about each 5 - 10 sec when using vlc to play mp3 .. is there a help for it ? |
| 08:23.04 | koen|busy | mallum: during coffee breaks, I'm idling around |
| 08:23.11 | koen|busy | (like now) |
| 08:23.12 | mallum | koen|busy: are you anywhere near having a shell on that ipaq you ran the mb-kb on ? |
| 08:23.21 | koen|busy | yes |
| 08:28.03 | mallum | koen|busy: can you run xdpyinfo on it and see what the DPI is set to ? |
| 08:28.45 | koen|busy | screen #0: |
| 08:28.45 | koen|busy | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:28.46 | koen|busy | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.44 | mallum | and Xephyr gives me |
| 08:29.47 | mallum | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.55 | mallum | so thats why the keyboard is not fitting |
| 08:30.58 | koen|busy | I see |
| 08:31.17 | mallum | Its basing the font size on point size |
| 08:31.27 | mallum | point size is related to display dpi |
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| 08:33.00 | bedboi | hi all |
| 08:33.31 | mallum | hey bedboi |
| 08:33.40 | koen|busy | hey bedboi |
| 08:35.09 | koen|busy | matchbox-keyboard-ui.c: s/fous/focus/ |
| 08:36.30 | mallum | fous is mallum for focus |
| 08:36.37 | bedboi | eheh |
| 08:36.42 | bedboi | focus is too long |
| 08:36.49 | bedboi | fos rocks too |
| 08:37.36 | bedboi | "fous" seems focus pronounced by a touscan (ppl from Toscana) guy |
| 08:37.46 | bedboi | they never pronounce "c" |
| 08:38.31 | koen|busy | mallum: give me a sign when I can pull revision 1122 |
| 08:40.02 | mallum | koen|busy: sign |
| 08:41.58 | koen|busy | I'll test it in the next coffee break |
| 08:45.53 | mallum | koen|busy: okie dokes |
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| 09:16.53 | bedboi | libxss task do_populate fails with the following error |
| 09:16.55 | bedboi | | /dvdrip/stuff/build/tmp//staging/i686-linux/bin/install: cannot create regular file `/usr/share/man/man3/Xss.3': Permission denied |
| 09:16.55 | bedboi | | make[1]: *** [install-man3] Error 1 |
| 09:16.55 | bedboi | | make[1]: Leaving directory `/dvdrip/stuff/build/tmp/work/libxss-0.0cvs20050426-r2/Xss' |
| 09:16.55 | bedboi | | make: *** [install-am] Error 2 |
| 09:17.09 | bedboi | it seems we have a problem in makefile |
| 09:17.13 | bedboi | isnt it? |
| 09:17.20 | bedboi | s/isnt/isn't |
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| 09:38.33 | florian_hrz | hi all |
| 09:39.16 | mallum | hey florian_hrz , pb_ |
| 09:39.41 | pb_ | mallum, florian_hrz: good morning! |
| 09:40.03 | pb_ | hurrah, now I have a desk again |
| 09:40.10 | pigeon | good morning florian mallum pb_! |
| 09:40.14 | pb_ | hi pigeon |
| 09:40.48 | koen|busy | hey pb_ & pigeon |
| 09:40.49 | florian_hrz | hi mallum, hi pb_ |
| 09:40.52 | koen|busy | hey florian_hrz |
| 09:40.54 | florian_hrz | hi pigeon |
| 09:41.00 | florian_hrz | hi koen|busy :-) |
| 09:44.05 | Toni | howdy |
| 09:44.25 | Toni | anyone's got a simple virtual keyboard that doesn't depend on other than glib and gtk? |
| 09:44.26 | florian_hrz | hi Toni |
| 09:44.36 | Toni | I'd need such for a simple demo on iPAQ |
| 09:44.40 | florian_hrz | xkbd :-) |
| 09:44.45 | Toni | xvkbd? |
| 09:45.04 | florian_hrz | xkbd is xlib iirc |
| 09:45.27 | Toni | I only found xvkbd, wich looks ancient |
| 09:45.45 | Toni | something that could be used as gtk's input method would be nice |
| 09:45.56 | Toni | is the one in GPE portable enough? :) |
| 09:46.11 | florian_hrz | Toni: xkbd is not really maintained too, but it works pretty nice. |
| 09:46.19 | florian_hrz | Toni: that's the one we use. |
| 09:46.27 | Toni | ok |
| 09:48.28 | Toni | no xkbd in debian :/ |
| 09:49.14 | mallum | Toni: try matchbox-keyboard :) |
| 09:49.32 | Toni | mallum: not in debian also |
| 09:50.14 | mallum | Toni: its too new for that, not even a tarball release as yet |
| 09:50.18 | Toni | oh |
| 09:50.25 | Toni | screenshots then? :) |
| 09:51.32 | koen|busy | Toni: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.19119.png |
| 09:51.32 | Toni | mallum: btw, have you noticed that http://projects.o-hand.com/matchbox doesn't have bgcolor defined? |
| 09:51.47 | koen|busy | Toni: and http://handhelds.org/scap/port.19218.png |
| 09:52.21 | Toni | looks nice |
| 09:52.50 | koen|busy | Toni: ipkg install http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/feed/matchbox-keyboard_svn-r0_arm.ipk |
| 09:52.53 | mallum | Toni: I thought it set it in CSS ? |
| 09:53.06 | pigeon | pb_: http://pigeond.net/photos/lca-2005/ |
| 09:53.06 | Toni | mallum: it's grey |
| 09:53.19 | Toni | dunno if that's what you wanted, but looks bit broken |
| 09:53.21 | mallum | Toni: what browser ? |
| 09:53.42 | Toni | firefox, with non-default background |
| 09:53.54 | mallum | Toni: okey, will fix |
| 09:53.58 | Toni | yeah, no bg set :) |
| 09:54.16 | mallum | Toni: gonna hopefully overhaul mb site soon , probably use mediawiki |
| 09:54.57 | Toni | I'll be breave and try to build from svn sources... |
| 09:55.02 | Toni | brave |
| 09:55.09 | mallum | Toni: should be easy |
| 09:55.18 | mallum | Toni: you need libfakekey from svn as well |
| 09:55.28 | mallum | Toni: and expat |
| 09:55.35 | Toni | eww :) |
| 09:55.41 | Toni | release early, release often :P |
| 09:55.41 | mallum | Toni: exapt rocks |
| 09:55.55 | mallum | Toni: in the words of eric raymond |
| 09:56.50 | florian_hrz | mallum: which toolkit do you use for the ui? |
| 09:56.52 | mallum | Toni: I will likely make a release soon |
| 09:56.58 | Toni | this week? ;) |
| 09:57.01 | koen|busy | mallum: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.22293.png |
| 09:57.01 | mallum | florian_hrz: raw xlib like a man |
| 09:57.04 | koen|busy | I like it! |
| 09:57.29 | florian_hrz | mallum: cool, you must be really hard :-) |
| 09:57.42 | bedboi | yep really cool |
| 09:57.51 | lardman | y |
| 09:57.51 | bedboi | i'm ipkg installing |
| 09:58.09 | lardman | (bloody windows - move the mouse over a window and it doesn't take the focus!) |
| 09:58.16 | Toni | lol |
| 09:58.17 | koen|busy | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/feed/matchbox-keyboard_0.0+svn20050426-r0_arm.ipk |
| 09:58.22 | koen|busy | that's the fixed one |
| 09:58.32 | mallum | florian_hrz: it should be easy to make it use GTK as well |
| 09:58.36 | bedboi | oh, i was installing the other one |
| 09:58.55 | koen|busy | mallum: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.22356.png |
| 09:59.10 | koen|busy | the keys might be a bit tiny for some people |
| 09:59.19 | mallum | koen|busy: :) |
| 09:59.36 | mallum | koen|busy: yeah, I think they look smaller than they actually are |
| 09:59.49 | Toni | clocal: configure.ac: 303: macro `AM_PATH_CHECK' not found in library |
| 09:59.54 | Toni | heh, /me goes rtfm ;) |
| 10:00.02 | koen|busy | Toni: apt-get install check |
| 10:00.03 | florian_hrz | mallum: okay... that might be interesting for themes, but imho xlib is ok... as long as it stays maintainable. |
| 10:00.23 | Toni | koen|busy: thanks |
| 10:00.31 | koen|busy | mallum: I mistype about 1 out of 10 keys |
| 10:00.40 | mallum | florian_hrz: says the man whose lib depends on $RANDOM_CVS_DATE cairo ;) |
| 10:00.40 | Toni | mallum: http://projects.o-hand.com/matchbox/documentation/manual/building.html does tell that "check" is needed..? |
| 10:00.41 | koen|busy | instead of 1 out of 20 |
| 10:00.56 | mallum | Toni: you dont dont need to build matchbox-wm ? |
| 10:01.12 | mallum | koen|busy: yeah I need to tweak it |
| 10:02.27 | koen|busy | does xft know about xrandr state? |
| 10:02.52 | mallum | koen|busy: in terms of sub pixel ordering ? |
| 10:03.14 | mallum | florian_hrz: seriously its modularised enough to do it with gtk rather than xlib |
| 10:03.20 | koen|busy | mallum: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.22649.png looks like someone smeared grease on my screen |
| 10:03.51 | mallum | florian_hrz: just hack matchbox-keyboard-ui.c , all the keyboard logic and state management is abstracted away from that ( hopefully ) |
| 10:04.09 | mallum | florian_hrz: I just used xlib as I know it much better than GTK ( unfortunatly ) |
| 10:04.17 | mallum | florian_hrz: and the xlib used is pretty simple |
| 10:05.32 | florian_hrz | mallum: cool, that sounds like a nice thing to do some time. |
| 10:05.44 | Toni | mallum: got debian? which package provides x11.pc for you? |
| 10:06.10 | mallum | Toni: no package, fd.o xlibs provide it :/ |
| 10:06.20 | mallum | Toni: what are you trying to build ? |
| 10:06.24 | Toni | mallum: libfakekey |
| 10:06.56 | mallum | Toni: it should fall back to the 'old way' of checking for xlibs |
| 10:07.27 | mallum | Toni: is it barfing on Xtst ? |
| 10:07.30 | Toni | hmm |
| 10:07.41 | Toni | config.status: error: cannot find input file: [config.h].in |
| 10:07.59 | mallum | Toni: urg |
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| 10:08.45 | Toni | moment, I try again after a short meeting.. |
| 10:10.25 | mallum | Toni: okey dokes, I just committed a fix for that btw |
| 10:10.58 | Toni | ack |
| 10:12.59 | Toni | mallum: ok, builds now |
| 10:13.39 | mallum | Toni: release often, release early ( but make sure it at least builds for people ) |
| 10:13.47 | mallum | Toni: ;) |
| 10:13.57 | Toni | mallum: same error now for mastchbox-keyboard |
| 10:17.31 | mallum | Toni: okey dokes, one sec |
| 10:19.16 | mallum | Toni: done |
| 10:19.27 | mallum | Toni: ( as in fix commited ) |
| 10:20.39 | mallum | Toni: also it shouldn't be incredably hard to make libfakekey use ATK or gtk input methods |
| 10:20.55 | mallum | Toni: atk may be a better bet Im not sure |
| 10:21.09 | Toni | I'd need to be able to input text to GtkEntry |
| 10:22.33 | mallum | Toni: yeah libfakekey can do that atm via XTest voodoo |
| 10:22.42 | Toni | util-list.c:93: warning: control reaches end of non-void function |
| 10:22.49 | Toni | util.c:61: warning: initialization discards qualifiers from pointer target type |
| 10:23.06 | Toni | atchbox-keyboard-key.c:404: warning: passing arg 2 of `mb_kbd_ui_send_press' discards qualifiers from pointer target type |
| 10:23.12 | Toni | other than those, builds cleanly |
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| 10:28.59 | Toni | mallum: this doesn't look correct: |
| 10:29.00 | Toni | configure:5074: result: -L/local/voip/matchbox-keyboard/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXft -lfreetype -lz -lXrender -lfontconfig -lX11 -lXtst -lfakekey |
| 10:29.19 | Toni | it doesn't actually find libfakekey because of that other -L |
| 10:29.29 | Toni | ldd says libfakekey.so.0 => not found |
| 10:30.19 | mallum | Toni: ldconfig -v ? |
| 10:30.48 | Toni | mallum: what shall I look from there? |
| 10:31.35 | mallum | Toni: libfakekey is in /local/voip/matchbox-keyboard/lib right ? |
| 10:31.49 | Toni | libfakekey.a libfakekey.so libfakekey.so.0.0.1 |
| 10:31.49 | Toni | libfakekey.la libfakekey.so.0 pkgconfig |
| 10:33.32 | mallum | Timelord: It should honour both the -L switches |
| 10:33.48 | mallum | s/Timelord/Toni/ |
| 10:34.15 | Toni | builds but ldd doesn't find it :o |
| 10:34.25 | mallum | at runtime ? |
| 10:34.28 | Toni | yes |
| 10:34.46 | Toni | <- doh |
| 10:34.50 | mallum | do like LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/local/voip/matchbox-keyboard/lib matchbox-keyboard |
| 10:34.53 | Toni | naturally :) |
| 10:35.03 | mallum | :) |
| 10:35.23 | Toni | works nicely :> |
| 10:35.31 | Toni | kttrre |
| 10:35.36 | Toni | testing |
| 10:45.51 | Toni | mallum: thanks, you saved my day :) |
| 10:46.08 | Toni | and tomorrow.. don't need to hack my own vkbd now :) |
| 10:47.24 | mallum | Toni: cool |
| 10:47.36 | mallum | Toni: please do send any patches |
| 10:47.36 | Toni | works nicely with normal gtk apps too, coolio |
| 10:47.50 | mallum | Toni: and remember its pretty much alpha atm so YMMV |
| 10:48.16 | Toni | enough for demoing "hello world" |
| 10:48.17 | mallum | Toni: should work with any X app |
| 10:48.44 | mallum | Toni: for ascii chars at least, utf8 on non utf8 aware apps could be interesting |
| 10:52.13 | Toni | a-z is enough today :) |
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| 10:53.49 | florian_kc | re |
| 10:55.21 | mallum | florian_kc: hey |
| 11:15.31 | lardman | koen|busy: oops, mistake in driftnet, the URI needs to be changed to http://www.ex-parrot.com/~chris/driftnet/driftnet-0.1.6.tar.gz |
| 11:21.25 | bedboi | is anyone able to bitbake -b libxss_cvs.bb? |
| 11:21.36 | bedboi | it fails on task do_populate |
| 11:21.41 | lardman | yes, it's just been changed |
| 11:21.45 | bedboi | s/on/at |
| 11:21.47 | bedboi | ah |
| 11:21.47 | lardman | to add a mandir |
| 11:21.50 | bedboi | yep |
| 11:21.54 | bedboi | bk pull |
| 11:22.04 | lardman | depends where you pull from... |
| 11:22.10 | bedboi | ah |
| 11:22.24 | bedboi | infact it seems that there's nothing to pull |
| 11:22.36 | lardman | you can add it manually: Add one line to the end of do_stage{} |
| 11:22.46 | lardman | mandir=${STAGING_DATADIR}/man |
| 11:23.26 | bedboi | ok |
| 11:23.35 | bedboi | thanks |
| 11:23.39 | koen|busy | and a " \" the the line above |
| 11:23.42 | bedboi | yep |
| 11:23.44 | bedboi | obviously :) |
| 11:24.34 | lardman | koen|busy: you see my message about the URI above - my apologies, I had it set to a temp location while I was debugging it |
| 11:24.54 | koen|busy | I think I fixed it |
| 11:25.03 | koen|busy | bk did some strange stuff |
| 11:27.20 | lardman | tell me about it |
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| 13:10.45 | rob_w-cgi | i tryed to fake a older cvs checkout as a current by changing the TAG date `s according to what oe wants .. still it try`s to check it out ( what i cannot do here cause of some proxy?`s ) how can finish my "fake" |
| 13:12.00 | koen|busy | enable a CVS_TARBALL_STASH |
| 13:12.09 | koen|busy | of have the packages in your DL_DIR |
| 13:13.16 | rob_w-cgi | h good idea |
| 13:45.12 | koen | arielMX: are you attending guadec-es? |
| 13:50.45 | florian_kc | heh |
| 14:03.50 | lardman|v_busy | I just had gpe-watch fail not being able to find gpe/render.h |
| 14:04.08 | koen | "bitbake libgpewidget-0.97 ; bitbake gpe-image" |
| 14:04.15 | koen | that should solve it |
| 14:04.35 | koen | 0.97 install render.h and 0.100 has the right cairo symbols |
| 14:05.00 | koen | installs* even |
| 14:05.00 | florian_kc | heh |
| 14:05.01 | lardman|v_busy | Is there a fix in thw works? |
| 14:05.20 | florian_kc | remind me this evening, i'll release a new gpe-watch |
| 14:05.29 | koen | the powers that be need to release new versions |
| 14:05.37 | lardman|v_busy | :) |
| 14:05.49 | florian_kc | do we have a fix for the locale-base packages? |
| 14:07.58 | koen | what was the problem exactly? |
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| 14:09.52 | bedboi | hi all |
| 14:14.34 | florian_kc | koen: the missing description file for gpe. |
| 14:14.37 | florian_kc | hi bedboi |
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| 15:18.54 | dballester | hi to all :) |
| 15:19.06 | koen | hey dballester |
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| 15:22.56 | stealth | why cant I open control panel, it just makes the pointer a watch |
| 15:23.15 | koen | ah, that old bug |
| 15:23.35 | koen | use the "settings" folder instead |
| 15:24.18 | stealth | will have to, I just hate broke stuff |
| 15:38.00 | bedboi | to display accented chars i have to install locale-base-it-it ? (that's my language) |
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| 16:14.21 | bedboi | zip_2.3.bb is buggy |
| 16:14.34 | bedboi | URI gives 404 |
| 16:14.41 | bedboi | the right url is |
| 16:14.49 | bedboi | http://www.mirror.ac.uk/mirror/ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/src/zip231.tar.gz |
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| 16:26.15 | Skyhusker | hi |
| 16:26.47 | florian_kc | hi Skyhusker |
| 16:27.04 | Skyhusker | has nils been here? |
| 16:27.26 | florian_kc | not today, is it important? |
| 16:27.41 | Skyhusker | na, it's about a small bug in kbdd |
| 16:29.52 | florian_kc | Skyhusker: it might be a good idea to drop him a mail... |
| 16:30.13 | Skyhusker | florian_kc: i did, but i don't see the patch applied |
| 16:31.28 | florian_kc | Skyhusker: yeah... he is quite busy. when did you send him that mail? |
| 16:31.51 | Skyhusker | lemme search my sent mail folder |
| 16:32.12 | Skyhusker | 13-04-05 22:45 |
| 16:34.25 | florian_kc | tsts |
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| 17:16.28 | bedboi | how to get accented chars ? |
| 17:17.55 | bedboi | i mean i need to install local package |
| 17:17.59 | bedboi | isn't it? |
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| 17:50.58 | luc | hi |
| 17:53.08 | florian_kc | hey luc :-) |
| 17:54.31 | luc | hey florian! |
| 17:55.20 | luc | If you agree on the lightened structure, I copy verbatim the current web content, and we modify it based on that |
| 17:59.54 | dballester | cu, gpe :D |
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| 18:02.11 | luc | damn, I am loosing the links :( |
| 18:03.40 | Cwiiis | mallum: Around? |
| 18:13.02 | florian_kc | luc: hmm... why not? any progress is a good thing :-) |
| 18:27.39 | luc | florian_kc: how do you think we recycle the "Projects" pages? |
| 18:28.19 | luc | florian_kc: we do not need so extensive (and unmaintain(able)) information, isn't it? |
| 18:30.42 | florian_kc | luc: not sure about this... i'm not sure if that's the perfect metod, but we should have some instance which shows the single applications and libraries gpe consists of and their maintainer. |
| 18:31.03 | florian_kc | luc: but i think i can take a look at this later... |
| 18:31.49 | luc | florian_kc: currently there is mixed inforamtion for both users and developers in the same page, not good IMHO |
| 18:32.45 | florian_kc | luc: right... i see the point. |
| 18:33.35 | florian_kc | luc: i'll take a look later... |
| 18:33.54 | luc | flor_ also if you have a nils near you, ask him to comment on NotesGpeVsGnome. I think the current intro is too geeck, a bit scary for simple users. |
| 18:34.18 | florian_kc | luc: okay, will do... |
| 18:34.53 | luc | thanks |
| 18:35.37 | florian_kc | where is my nilsf? ;-) |
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| 18:58.11 | luc | koen: the new download.php looks very good :) |
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| 19:21.00 | mallum | koen: I've committed a few tweaks to mbkb |
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| 19:36.07 | spizkapa | guys, I seem to be unable to get the usb0 interface to turn up when I plug the z5500 in, can anyone help? |
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| 20:07.24 | florian | re |
| 20:10.59 | luc | florian: wb |
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| 20:31.38 | reenoo | evening |
| 20:33.44 | florian | hi reenoo |
| 20:33.59 | reenoo | hey florian |
| 20:36.15 | luc | hey reenoo |
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| 20:38.22 | reenoo | hi luc |
| 20:49.14 | florian | luc: oh... the timeline looks like you are really busy :-) |
| 20:52.19 | Cwiiis | mallum: There? |
| 20:59.23 | luc | florian: ;) |
| 21:11.55 | Cwiiis | hmm |
| 21:12.05 | philippe | evening |
| 21:16.59 | Cwiiis | evening philippe |
| 21:20.01 | florian | hi philippe |
| 21:20.12 | philippe | hello Cwiiis & florian |
| 21:20.50 | philippe | pretty quiet this evening it seems |
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| 21:21.29 | reenoo | hey philippe |
| 21:21.57 | philippe | hey reenoo |
| 21:22.10 | florian | yeah... luc is busy, i had a guest unil some minutes ago and now i need to fix some stuff i didn't manage to do today. |
| 21:23.05 | philippe | florian, don't we all need to do that :-) |
| 21:24.00 | florian | philippe: right... you seem to duplicate substrings ;-) |
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| 21:26.39 | Pigi | Ciao all |
| 21:27.35 | Pigi | florian, ping |
| 21:27.48 | florian | hey Pigi |
| 21:28.15 | Pigi | hey florian. How is your configure and automake understanding ? |
| 21:29.22 | luc | ok, that's all for today. florian, your turn ;) please comment as much as you want |
| 21:29.38 | luc | good night all. |
| 21:31.59 | florian | Pigi: well... it depens, i use it... but imho i'm a beginner |
| 21:32.15 | philippe | Aaah solved :-) |
| 21:32.43 | Pigi | heh. I do need to create an option to pass to configure to fix the libdir problem in ipkg. |
| 21:33.02 | Pigi | something like --with-libipkgdir=something. |
| 21:34.17 | Pigi | but I don't understand where I should put that option. |
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| 21:34.58 | florian | Pigi: thats sonething for configure.ac or configure.in... |
| 21:35.39 | Pigi | I supposed that. I must say that auto* tool and me aren't really friends :) |
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| 21:38.24 | florian | heh right... iirc this is pretty easy, but i never did this myself - but let me check.. |
| 21:38.38 | spizkapa | can I just check on thing, is the gpe-calendar undergoing major changes right now? there seems to be no way to build it in cvs |
| 21:38.59 | Pigi | ehehe. Don't worry florian. I will find it .... ( also if I don't like :) ) |
| 21:41.12 | spizkapa | hmm, it must be late, please disregard the previous message |
| 21:41.53 | florian | Pigi: i think i found something... |
| 21:41.57 | koen | Pigi: ipkg install appname -nodepps -force-depends |
| 21:42.10 | koen | that one doesn't throw an error message |
| 21:42.36 | koen | hi all :) |
| 21:43.18 | florian | hi koen |
| 21:43.32 | philippe | hi koen. |
| 21:43.33 | Pigi | koen, -nodepps isn't an existing option. Maybe -nodeps |
| 21:44.15 | koen | Pigi: ipkg doesn't say "incorrect option", it silently ignores it |
| 21:45.23 | Pigi | koen, I think that the trouble is that in ipkg, the options should be issued before the command. |
| 21:45.35 | koen | I only noticed because ipkg suddenly installed deps |
| 21:45.43 | koen | after using the correct spelling it worked |
| 21:45.49 | Pigi | what about ipkg -nodepps -force-depends install appnam |
| 21:46.50 | koen | root@h3900:~# ipkg -nodepps -force-depends install appnam |
| 21:46.50 | koen | Nothing to be done |
| 21:46.50 | koen | An error ocurred, return value: 4. |
| 21:46.50 | koen | Collected errors: |
| 21:46.50 | koen | Cannot find package appnam. |
| 21:46.53 | koen | Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' |
| 21:47.08 | Pigi | heh |
| 21:47.47 | Pigi | btw koen, if you think that this is a bug, can I ask you to file a bug in bugzilla ? |
| 21:47.53 | koen | sure |
| 21:48.11 | Pigi | During this weeks I'm working hard, and sleeping less than 5/6 h per night |
| 21:48.34 | Pigi | koen, please, if you can, file a test case. |
| 21:50.15 | Pigi | I can't understand what's happening in these days,,,,, everyone has a problem with ipkg. |
| 21:51.02 | koen | more users I guess |
| 21:51.17 | Pigi | heh |
| 21:51.40 | Pigi | well, it's that time , |
| 21:51.52 | Pigi | nite all |
| 21:51.58 | koen | 'night Pigi |
| 21:52.03 | florian | Pigi: good night |
| 21:54.06 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 21:54.20 | florian | reenoo: good night |
| 21:55.44 | spizkapa | koen: where was that dependency page you had made? I seem to have lost it |
| 21:56.25 | koen | http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/GPE-dependencymap.pdf |
| 21:56.32 | koen | eeps! |
| 21:56.44 | koen | luc has been very busy |
| 21:56.56 | florian | yeah |
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| 22:01.01 | spizkapa | koen: thanks that helps |
| 22:01.07 | florian | hey pb_ |
| 22:05.11 | pb_ | florian: good evening |
| 22:06.15 | philippe | hello pb |
| 22:06.22 | pb_ | hi philippe |
| 22:10.52 | florian | ~lart H&W |
| 22:12.37 | philippe | florian, H&W? |
| 22:13.28 | florian | philippe: Hoeft & Wessel, one of our customers... |
| 22:15.19 | philippe | Ah, ok.... |
| 22:16.23 | philippe | Ok new release of the gpe-helpviewer uploaded (with slightly modified bb file) Now with helpindex generator! |
| 22:17.16 | philippe | Now I need to get working on removing Orbit and libxml2 from the deps of the deps... |
| 22:17.58 | florian | philippe: sounds good... what depends on Orbit? |
| 22:19.46 | florian | oh well... we need to fix a pile of stuff in oe. |
| 22:20.23 | philippe | I believe libgnomeprint is the most annoying one. (It pulls in libxml2... I am trying to track down all the deps again) |
| 22:20.49 | philippe | I really need to write them down, so that I know where to start digging. |
| 22:21.27 | philippe | for those interested : http://stag.mind.be/gpe-helpviewer.html |
| 22:22.05 | philippe | Also it seems libgtkhtml does not need the icons So I am going to package them seperately for gtkhtml-lite. (saves about 65K) |
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| 22:23.11 | florian | hmm oh well... what needs libgnomeprint? |
| 22:24.41 | philippe | gtkhmtl...Well maybe I really should use dillo' s html rendering engine. |
| 22:25.06 | philippe | And the helpviewer uses gtkhtml to do the html rendering of the help... |
| 22:27.41 | florian | hmm, i don't think dillo is the best solution because of two reasons: |
| 22:27.56 | florian | - imho it is integrated into the browser directly. |
| 22:28.31 | florian | - it is unlikely that coming dillo will be based on gtk 2.x |
| 22:29.05 | florian | and current dillo's support for css is not that good. |
| 22:30.32 | philippe | Well florian it is just for very basic html rendering...I am not building a browser. And the rendering engine is used as html renderer for sylpheed if I am correct, so it should be embeddable. |
| 22:30.56 | philippe | ABout the problems that need to be fixed. Are they all in the bugzilla? |
| 22:31.59 | florian | philippe: oh... i didn't know that... if that's true it's really worth checking out this. |
| 22:32.56 | florian | philippe: another idea would be to try gtk-webcore which had some trouble on arm the last time i tried but seems to be very powerful. |
| 22:33.14 | florian | philippe: i hope so :-) |
| 22:33.42 | koen | webcore did have a new release |
| 22:34.37 | philippe | Just found their website... deps are relatively mild too (glib, Gtk+, GDK and Pango) |
| 22:34.54 | koen | gpe-daisy! |
| 22:37.32 | koen | florian: could you write a small bit on the gnome-foo-dbus magic? |
| 22:37.42 | koen | philippe: could you write a small bit on gpe-helpviewer? |
| 22:38.07 | koen | or any other subject in http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/OOOOOOOO-newsletter-2005.4.txt |
| 22:38.41 | koen | the text will be integrated into http://www.vanille.de/temp/drafts/bla.html |
| 22:39.52 | philippe | koen, no prob. What do you exactly want to know? (because I still haven't found out how to register it as the main help-viewer app for gpe_help() ) |
| 22:40.20 | philippe | s/gpe_help/gpe_show_help/ |
| 22:40.23 | pb_ | philippe: in the medium term, most or all of libgnomeprint should go away. I think it would be reasonable to just disable its use in gtkhtml. |
| 22:40.37 | koen | philippe: a small text what it does (or will do) and how great it is (or will be) |
| 22:40.52 | koen | gpe propaganda |
| 22:41.27 | philippe | pb_ I'll try to see if that is possible.... |
| 22:44.11 | Cwiiis | A screenshot would be nice too I think |
| 22:45.14 | florian | koen: new release... sounds promising! |
| 22:46.07 | florian | koen: i think so, but not before friday and please remind me :-) |
| 22:47.10 | florian | philippe: take a look at libgpewidget/gpehelp.c, that code is more than simple. well... it is a hack. |
| 22:48.13 | philippe | florian, good idea! I should have thought about that myself |
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| 22:50.06 | florian | koen: where did you get taht information from? i can't see any new release on their website. |
| 22:50.37 | koen | florian: the release was a while back |
| 22:51.06 | florian | koen: i only see 0.5.0 from october... |
| 22:52.41 | koen | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/gtk-webcore/osb-browser/ |
| 22:52.52 | koen | they dumped 0.5.1 into cvs without releasing |
| 22:53.56 | florian | oh great... |
| 22:55.02 | florian | They have a strange idea of using CVS ;-) |
| 22:55.14 | koen | indeed |
| 22:55.42 | koen | they had some "firewall" at nokia blocking cvs |
| 23:00.00 | florian | oh great... i know this fight against firewalls ;-) |
| 23:02.54 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:03.00 | pb_ | I spent almost all afternoon working on our firewall. |
| 23:03.40 | florian | :-/ |
| 23:04.11 | florian | i do this all the time at university... and at kc i start to fight against Cisco VPN stuff :-( |
| 23:04.26 | florian | well... i do this at university too. |
| 23:04.42 | florian | this will make me a blackhat some time ;-) |
| 23:05.24 | pb_ | hehe |
| 23:05.40 | florian | Can i add a do_install_append_smallscreen() in a bb? |
| 23:05.56 | pb_ | well, today I think I succeeded in making our VPN work properly with both linux and windows clients, which is kind of a victory. |
| 23:06.16 | florian | pb_: what kind of vpn do you use? |
| 23:06.31 | pb_ | florian: you _can_, but it isn't terribly desirable to do so. |
| 23:07.09 | pb_ | florian: for linux, we use plain ipsec (with racoon). for windows, we use ipsec+l2tp. |
| 23:08.12 | florian | pb_: i want to make sure the "Control Panel" .desktop file doesn't end up on iPaq and similar machines. |
| 23:09.08 | pb_ | ah, right |
| 23:09.22 | pb_ | perhaps that file should go in a separate package. |
| 23:09.59 | florian | pb_: I managed to make racoon work for a roadwarrior with my Freeswan gateway... but i'm not able to find the correct setkey rules to make Freeswan accept the connection. |
| 23:10.11 | florian | pb_: hmmm that's another idea... |
| 23:10.18 | pb_ | the problem with do_install_append_smallscreen() is that the .ipk file contents will then be different for each MACHINE, which means that rather than one gpe-conf_arm.ipk we will end up with a whole pile of _h3600, _h3900, _collie, etc. |
| 23:10.20 | florian | pb_: that's a good idea! |
| 23:10.43 | florian | pb_: indeed... that wouldn't be taht clever. |
| 23:12.03 | pb_ | florian: I use racoon on my road warrior client, and it seems to be working fine (including NAT traversal). But my server is racoon as well these days; I haven't tried with freeswan. |
| 23:13.11 | florian | pb_: sounds good... i heared that i'll get a spare machine soon, so i have one pt play with and migrate the gateway to racoon too. |
| 23:14.16 | pb_ | The main problem I ran into this afternoon is that Windows XP sends a special "NAT Original Address" element as part of its phase 2 negotiation, which makes racoon explode. But I managed to patch racoon to avoid this in the end. |
| 23:15.08 | pb_ | I also had some, er, "issues" with WINS support, but I seem to have side-stepped that by changing the IP address allocation for the Windows clients. |
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| 23:19.39 | florian | pb_: uh... that sounds nasty! we discussed about providing OpenVPN support too... that seems to be easier. |
| 23:21.54 | pb_ | yeah, that would be another option. I wanted to avoid needing to install a custom client on our Windows boxes. |
| 23:22.38 | pb_ | with the ipsec/l2tp stuff, you just need to provide a single .p12 file containing the X.509 certificate, then you can do everything using the standard windows wizards. |
| 23:23.11 | pb_ | though, admittedly, importing the certificates is not quite as straightforward as I had hoped. |
| 23:23.41 | florian | pb_: hmm right, i don't provide l2tp at uni... so this not that trivial. |
| 23:24.01 | florian | pb_: heh right... don't forget to activate the correct checkbox ;-) |
| 23:24.10 | pb_ | heh, yeah, exactly |
| 23:24.46 | florian | hrm... i have a nice new bb for gpe-conf :-) |
| 23:24.56 | pb_ | excellent |
| 23:25.06 | florian | but no "cvs diff" with that stupid bk client :-/ |
| 23:27.26 | pigeon | hey hey |
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| 23:29.56 | pb_ | g'day pigeon |
| 23:30.41 | florian | hi pigeon |
| 23:30.52 | florian | gnaaa |
| 23:30.56 | florian | ~lart BK |
| 23:33.02 | florian | i can even move away the changed file a nd update to get the old one :-/ |
| 23:35.11 | florian | koen, pb_: Would one of you maybe take care about this file: http://handhelds.org/~florian/gpe-conf_0.1.23.bb |
| 23:35.54 | florian | s/maybe/please |
| 23:42.00 | philippe | koen gpe-propaganda sent to you.... A better version might follow if I find some more time/ |
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| 23:49.34 | philippe | well off to sleep. Goodnight guys |
| 23:50.33 | florian | philippe: good night |
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