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| 01:56.18 | cw2 | anyone alive? I seem to be talking to myself in #familiar |
| 01:58.48 | cw2 | is there a quick way to tell, via a shell script, whether we're on battery or power? |
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| 04:38.32 | pigeon | jserv2: yo |
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| 06:24.14 | __law__ | starting next gpe-image build |
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| 06:29.41 | __law__ | next error :-( http://pastebin.com/274019 |
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| 07:51.41 | rob_w-cgi | heya all , |
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| 08:06.54 | __law__ | has anyone tryed to compile gpe-packages? |
| 08:07.06 | __law__ | http://pastebin.com/274019 |
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| 08:16.37 | florian_kc | re |
| 08:17.08 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 08:23.11 | __law__ | florian_kc, http://pastebin.com/274019 can you fix that |
| 08:25.43 | florian_kc | __law__: Yes... it is fixed in cvs, but the new release is not finished so far. but i can give you that file and you can copy it into staging. |
| 08:27.38 | rob_w-cgi | ehe my company doesnt allow outgoing traffic to ssh port 22 :-( |
| 08:28.22 | __law__ | florian_kc, yes please |
| 08:28.44 | florian_kc | __law__: handhelds.org/~florian/gpehelp.h |
| 08:28.51 | __law__ | thanks |
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| 08:30.15 | koen | good morning all |
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| 08:31.19 | florian_kc | koen: good morning |
| 08:31.33 | koen | hey florian_kc |
| 08:33.09 | koen | florian_kc: did you manage to release 0.100 yet? |
| 08:35.41 | florian_kc | koen: no not yet... went to bed a shot time after you did. but i released a new gpe-nmf. |
| 08:36.04 | florian_kc | koen: it is still everything but perfect, but better than before. |
| 08:36.22 | koen | In a moment of insomnia I added the new gpe-nmf to OE |
| 08:36.39 | koen | couldn't really test it as gst-plugins break with the new cairo |
| 08:37.16 | rob_w-cgi | what are the biggest SD MMC cards in use with a 3970 compareable ipaq ? |
| 08:37.27 | koen | 1GB or so |
| 08:37.34 | rob_w-cgi | can i securely get 1GB to run ? |
| 08:37.35 | florian_kc | eh? what is the relationship between cairo and gst-plugins? |
| 08:37.52 | koen | florian_kc: gsttxtoverlay or something |
| 08:38.01 | koen | I think that's for subtitles and stuff |
| 08:38.16 | __law__ | koen, http://pastebin.com/274019 ;-) |
| 08:38.31 | koen | gpe-conf? |
| 08:38.34 | florian_kc | koen: oh.... and gpe-nmf should pull in a ogg plugin |
| 08:38.57 | koen | I thought so |
| 08:39.00 | florian_kc | koen: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.16815.png |
| 08:39.13 | __law__ | koen, gpe-package |
| 08:39.43 | rob_w-cgi | koen , is it proven ? do you ever saw it running ? |
| 08:39.46 | koen | ah yes |
| 08:40.02 | koen | rob_w-cgi: I only use 256 mb sd cards |
| 08:40.11 | koen | only to test if it mounts |
| 08:40.35 | koen | __law__: yes, libgpewidget 0.100 should fix that one |
| 08:42.09 | __law__ | koen, will you push this? |
| 08:42.31 | koen | when florian releases it :) |
| 08:42.51 | rob_w-cgi | http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/familiar/236/23691.html some said it works .. .hurray .. tell ibot about it ! |
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| 10:02.45 | koen | ey mallum |
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| 10:07.05 | mallum | hey koen |
| 10:07.43 | florian_kc | mallum: morning |
| 10:07.53 | mallum | hey hey florian_kc |
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| 10:54.11 | reenoo | morning |
| 10:54.52 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 10:54.56 | florian_kc | reenoo: morning |
| 11:08.52 | lardman | I'm stuck with an hourglass/clock/busy cursor - how can I get rid of it? |
| 11:09.27 | koen | that happens over here too |
| 11:09.30 | koen | no idea on that |
| 11:10.24 | reenoo | yo koen |
| 11:10.24 | lardman | it's not a major problem |
| 11:10.28 | reenoo | moin florian_kc |
| 11:14.29 | reenoo | hmm.. time for a second try to get food I guess |
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| 11:44.24 | lardman | what would people recommend as a vanilla matchboc taskbar applet to base a new one on? |
| 11:44.40 | lardman | s/matchboc/matchbox |
| 11:46.07 | koen | battery one? |
| 11:46.16 | koen | or the rotate applet |
| 11:46.29 | koen | haven't looked at the source though |
| 11:46.33 | lardman | looking in ftp://gpe.handhelds.org/projects/matchbox/sources/ |
| 11:46.43 | koen | o-hand.com |
| 11:47.04 | lardman | cool |
| 11:48.50 | lardman | what does applet-startup-monitor do? |
| 11:51.10 | mallum | lardman: puts an hour glass in the panel when apps start up |
| 11:51.32 | mallum | lardman: the rotate applet isn't an applet just a script arround mb-applet-launcher |
| 11:51.47 | lardman | What about the battery applet? I can't find that one |
| 11:52.42 | mallum | lardman: http://svn.o-hand.com/view/matchbox/trunk/matchbox-panel/applets/ |
| 11:53.32 | lardman | thx |
| 11:56.23 | mallum | lardman: what kind of applet do you want to write ? |
| 11:56.32 | lardman | cardmon |
| 11:56.48 | lardman | I thought I'd just life most of it straight from opie |
| 11:56.53 | lardman | s/life/lift |
| 11:56.58 | mallum | what does it do ? |
| 11:57.15 | lardman | I tells you what cards yo uhave inserted, and allows you to eject/umount them |
| 11:57.50 | koen | cool |
| 11:57.51 | lardman | cards being CF & SD |
| 11:58.24 | lardman | Atm I do cardctl eject or umount /media/... |
| 11:58.29 | lardman | which is a pain |
| 11:58.48 | koen | using gpe-su? |
| 11:59.03 | koen | or via a setuid binary? |
| 11:59.20 | lardman | which - how to do the applet, or what I do now? |
| 11:59.40 | lardman | I'd forgotten that GPE tends to not run as root |
| 11:59.57 | rob_w-cgi | lardman : which is good in my opinion |
| 12:00.18 | lardman | rob_w-cgi: yes of course, but annoying as it is atm |
| 12:00.46 | lardman | rob_w-cgi: If I had an applet which could mount and eject cards then that would mean a lot less typing |
| 12:00.57 | rob_w-cgi | not too me as it reminds me everytime about security |
| 12:01.07 | florian_kc | heh |
| 12:01.21 | lardman | It is only a pda though.... |
| 12:01.34 | rob_w-cgi | maybe we can try subfs as it wrights immidiatly and there is now prob with ejects n stuff |
| 12:01.35 | florian_kc | it might be a good idea to ship Familiar with a good sudo configuration. |
| 12:01.55 | lardman | I think liberal sudo rights would be the way to go |
| 12:02.28 | lardman | it would remove my worry that someone will do rm -Rf / by accident, but still allow me to remove cards without having to type too much |
| 12:02.54 | rob_w-cgi | but gpe does that ? |
| 12:03.06 | koen | having a setuid root cardapplet shoulnd be a big problem |
| 12:03.26 | rob_w-cgi | i remmeber a settings app which can used to set root configurations |
| 12:04.29 | rob_w-cgi | Settings -> user access ! |
| 12:06.01 | koen | lardman: something with using the right number (0755 iirc) when installing the binary |
| 12:06.14 | lardman | koen: ok, thanks |
| 12:09.21 | florian_kc | oh... really? ;-) |
| 12:11.32 | florian_kc | koen: try to set a gtk app suid... |
| 12:12.33 | koen | gtk drops privs? |
| 12:12.55 | florian_kc | it refuses to start... |
| 12:13.13 | koen | hrms |
| 12:13.22 | koen | setuid help app and fork? |
| 12:14.20 | florian_kc | yes, it is easy to fork and drop privileges in one process... gpe-package and gpe-shield are advanced examples. the solution in gpe-conf is not that nice. |
| 12:24.00 | rob_w-cgi | btw : success report : i was very happy to see that i can sent via BT my vcf`s from my Sony ericsson phone ! |
| 12:24.31 | rob_w-cgi | only i had to sent each contact at once as sending the full address book resulted only in the first alphabetical contact |
| 12:27.33 | __law__ | i also want an gpe image ;-) |
| 12:27.41 | __law__ | s/an/a |
| 12:33.10 | rob_w-cgi | what would i need to fake oe a already downloaded package .. 1 haveing the tar.gz and tar.gz.md5 in /source and ?? |
| 12:33.38 | lardman | that should do it |
| 12:35.52 | rob_w-cgi | i guessed i have to place something into /stamps ?? |
| 12:36.16 | lardman | I think oe checks for the file, and if it's there it creates the stamp |
| 12:36.25 | lardman | the fetch one |
| 12:36.27 | rob_w-cgi | hmm |
| 12:36.41 | lardman | well, that's the way it used to work anyway |
| 12:37.11 | rob_w-cgi | lardman : bare me a sec , shoult it be tar.gz.md5 or tar.gz.md5sums ?? |
| 12:37.31 | lardman | um, not sure - I don't have my build box in front of me |
| 12:37.39 | lardman | I think it was just .md5 though |
| 12:37.39 | koen | .md5 |
| 12:38.11 | rob_w-cgi | and they come into /sources or /source/cvs/<PACKAGE-NAME> |
| 12:40.57 | rob_w-cgi | damn , it is a bad idea from me since i would need to get all packages by hand ... stupid proxy.... can someone pack up his sources dir and make it ftp available ? |
| 12:42.55 | lardman | I'm not very up to date I'm afraid |
| 12:43.16 | rob_w-cgi | ok ,thnx |
| 12:43.46 | rob_w-cgi | how could i change the method for cvs to not use ssh but rsh or so ? maybe this will work for me =? |
| 12:43.48 | lardman | plus I need to shut down everything in a little while as I'm moving office furniture - what fun |
| 12:47.56 | lardman | best ask that Q on #oe |
| 12:48.05 | rob_w-cgi | ok |
| 13:05.12 | cw2 | setuid is 4755 :) |
| 13:05.48 | cw2 | koen: have you tried enabling wifi power management on the h5555 yet? |
| 13:05.57 | koen | not yet |
| 13:06.04 | koen | I saw your addition to the wiki |
| 13:06.05 | cw2 | drops about 200mAh |
| 13:06.32 | cw2 | so far pretty cool, I get an extra estimated 150+ minutes battery time |
| 13:13.22 | koen | lardman|away: it would be cool to use hotplug/dbus with that applet |
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| 13:24.23 | koen | hey pb_ |
| 13:24.38 | pb_ | hi koen |
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| 13:30.09 | florian_kc | pb_: good morning |
| 13:30.28 | pb_ | florian_kc: good afternoon |
| 13:30.42 | koen | hey master tigrux |
| 13:31.21 | tigrux | Good afternoon ultramasters koen, florian_kc pb |
| 13:31.22 | tigrux | :-) |
| 13:32.39 | pb_ | heh |
| 13:33.05 | florian_kc | heh |
| 13:33.15 | florian_kc | hi tigrux |
| 13:33.52 | florian_kc | hrm... i still need to bash gpe-nmf a little bit :-/ |
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| 13:36.00 | pb_ | tigrux: excellent :-) |
| 13:36.37 | koen | luminocity on the ipaq? |
| 13:36.41 | florian_kc | sounds good :-) |
| 13:36.42 | tigrux | But, some people ask: "Can familiar be installed in new ipaqs" and I had to answer "Not at the current moment". :-( |
| 13:36.44 | koen | that would rock |
| 13:36.54 | tigrux | koen: No, in my laptop Dell Inspiron 8500. |
| 13:36.55 | koen | not very usefull, but pretty |
| 13:37.21 | florian_kc | Yeah... PDA hardware is a nasty topic. |
| 13:37.50 | koen | the hx4700 and hx2700 people are making good progress |
| 13:38.39 | florian_kc | this is good news |
| 13:38.59 | pb_ | yeah, that's encouraging. |
| 13:39.13 | pb_ | I don't know what's become of the h4000 port. That seems to have kind of faded away. |
| 13:39.27 | florian_kc | :-( |
| 13:39.36 | pb_ | the h2200 port seems to be slightly stalled as well. I'm not sure what the latest status is there either. |
| 13:40.33 | koen | joshua is in spain and mreimer doesn't have a serial cable |
| 13:40.50 | koen | sd might be working soon on the h2200 |
| 13:40.53 | florian_kc | yes that's a pity... its a nice device. but i guess its because it isn't sold anymore. |
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| 13:58.35 | florian_kc | koen: thats an interesting idea... |
| 14:09.11 | koen | I wonder how much of those scenarios work without resorting to cmdline |
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| 14:19.40 | pb__ | night all |
| 14:19.52 | koen | 'night pb__ |
| 14:21.43 | mallum | lazy bugger, its the middle of the afternoon |
| 14:23.39 | koen | mallum: do you any other usage scenarios? |
| 14:23.54 | koen | I can't stop thinking like a geek |
| 14:24.34 | ||cw | and good luck with that |
| 14:24.52 | mallum | koen: if would be nice if you could type sentences that made sense |
| 14:25.02 | ||cw | is there a reliable way to tell if ac power is connect via a shell script? |
| 14:25.07 | koen | heh |
| 14:25.23 | rob_w-cgi | damn it , i just got the confirmation from our admins that we will be never allowed to use ssh to a outside target ... |
| 14:25.39 | koen | ||cw: apm |
| 14:25.43 | ||cw | rob_w-cgi: chaneg the ssh port at home then tunnel it |
| 14:25.51 | rob_w-cgi | i some real routing guru to help me |
| 14:25.55 | rob_w-cgi | hmm right |
| 14:26.29 | rob_w-cgi | can hh.org setup one as i dont have a static ip |
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| 14:26.43 | ||cw | rob_w-cgi: dtdns.org |
| 14:26.58 | rob_w-cgi | oh , sound good |
| 14:27.06 | ||cw | get your self a nice darktech.org hostname |
| 14:27.12 | rob_w-cgi | ah dynamic dns .. hmm |
| 14:27.28 | koen | hmmm |
| 14:27.43 | koen | lots of dutchisms in that e-mail |
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| 14:34.06 | rob_w-cgi | beside my tunnel option there might be a chance that someone tars up his current sources dir ? koen ? |
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| 15:12.09 | mallum | koen: please try out the new matchbox-keyboard ;) |
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| 15:12.25 | mallum | koen: its getting quite nice now and nearly usable |
| 15:12.35 | TyggerBob | Hey all |
| 15:12.44 | koen | hey TyggerBob |
| 15:12.51 | koen | mallum: do you have an ipkg ready? |
| 15:13.01 | TyggerBob | Can't find my usb-serial.. still haven't installed 8.2 :( |
| 15:13.06 | TyggerBob | 0.8.2, that is |
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| 15:19.02 | mallum | koen: No no no no no |
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| 15:30.12 | koen|kitchen | mallum: what are the deps for mb-keyboard? |
| 15:30.31 | koen|kitchen | I don't have the patience to dig through autofoo stuff to find out |
| 15:34.29 | mallum | koen|kitchen: just libfakekey |
| 15:34.37 | koen|kitchen | crap |
| 15:34.41 | mallum | koen|kitchen: and expat |
| 15:34.44 | mallum | koen|kitchen: and Xft |
| 15:35.22 | mallum | koen|kitchen: libfakekey needs XTest |
| 15:35.23 | koen|kitchen | mallum: now put that in the INSTALL file |
| 15:35.43 | mallum | koen|kitchen: um |
| 15:35.55 | koen|kitchen | or README |
| 15:35.55 | mallum | koen|kitchen: the INSTALL file tells you how to install the software |
| 15:36.34 | koen|kitchen | I hate it when I have to run ./configure repeatedly to find missing deps |
| 15:36.39 | mallum | koen|kitchen: I'll put it in the README, the website docs and the configure output |
| 15:36.54 | mallum | koen|kitchen: but this is pretty much alpha |
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| 15:37.02 | mallum | koen|kitchen: so dont expect all that yet |
| 15:38.25 | mallum | koen|kitchen: it does some nice pretty much untested stuff though ;) |
| 15:38.35 | mallum | koen|kitchen: loads config file based on LANG |
| 15:38.54 | mallum | koen|kitchen: config files a zillion time more simple ( no more keysyms really needed ) |
| 15:38.55 | koen|kitchen | can that made configurable? |
| 15:39.25 | koen|kitchen | like when I want to type greek stuff without changing everything to greek? |
| 15:39.50 | mallum | why would you want to do that ? |
| 15:40.11 | koen|kitchen | when I'm typing stuff about trigonometry |
| 15:41.03 | mallum | I would just set up a keyboard variant that had the trig glyphs acceable via a modifier key |
| 15:41.11 | mallum | ( but you can overide it if need be ) |
| 15:42.00 | mallum | Im more concerned about making it 'just work' for the 99% rather than making every single little silly option configurable to keep the 1% happy |
| 15:42.17 | koen|kitchen | yeah |
| 15:42.37 | mallum | its not gpe-keyboard you know |
| 15:42.39 | mallum | ;) |
| 15:42.42 | koen|kitchen | but I prefer the desktop to be english and input to be dutch |
| 15:43.01 | koen|kitchen | and that's not an edge case |
| 15:43.09 | mallum | no thats a good point |
| 15:43.43 | koen|kitchen | hmm, what's the OE name for Xtest? |
| 15:43.44 | mallum | I dont think there is any LC varible for input |
| 15:43.52 | mallum | Xtst iirc |
| 15:44.29 | mallum | koen|kitchen: I guess you are setting up your dutchie keyboard via XKB ? |
| 15:45.14 | koen|kitchen | There's a gnome tool to do that |
| 15:45.29 | koen|kitchen | on the ipaq I just forget proper accenting |
| 15:47.28 | mallum | well I guess the default keyboard should pretty much be made to cover all central european languages |
| 15:47.49 | mallum | You can have up to 5 glyphs per key |
| 15:48.24 | mallum | and I'll invent some MB_KBD_INPUT_LANG var to handle your case |
| 15:49.57 | koen|kitchen | hmmm |
| 15:50.09 | koen|kitchen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.10 | koen|kitchen | | configure.ac:7: AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR must be called before AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE... |
| 15:50.10 | koen|kitchen | | configure.ac:5: ... AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE called here |
| 15:50.10 | koen|kitchen | | configure.ac: installing `./install-sh' |
| 15:50.10 | koen|kitchen | | configure.ac: installing `./missing' |
| 15:50.12 | koen|kitchen | | src/Makefile.am: installing `./depcomp' |
| 15:50.15 | koen|kitchen | | autoreconf: automake failed with exit status: 1 |
| 15:50.35 | koen|kitchen | that's with libfakekey |
| 15:54.52 | mallum | koen|supper: oops |
| 15:54.54 | mallum | koen|supper: one sec |
| 15:56.13 | mallum | koen|supper: fixed |
| 15:58.45 | koen|supper | ok, works |
| 15:58.54 | koen|supper | Xtest -> xtst |
| 16:00.40 | mallum | cool |
| 16:01.53 | Cwiiis | Hey all |
| 16:02.07 | koen|supper | hey Cwiiis |
| 16:03.11 | koen|supper | NOTE: package libfakekey-svn: completedBuild statistics: |
| 16:07.44 | mallum | koen|supper: matchbox-keyboard needs just xlibs and expat ( and linfakekey ) |
| 16:08.45 | koen|supper | and libmb |
| 16:09.09 | Cwiiis | Does it work with keymaps from xkbd/read xkbd's settings? |
| 16:10.48 | mallum | koen|supper: no libmb |
| 16:11.02 | mallum | koen|supper: arg its probably checking for it, but it dont need it |
| 16:11.08 | mallum | koen|supper: I can fix quickly |
| 16:12.12 | mallum | koen|supper: fixed |
| 16:12.20 | mallum | Cwiiis: no |
| 16:12.29 | mallum | Cwiiis: these files are proper utf8 xml |
| 16:12.42 | mallum | Cwiiis: and much simpler than xkbd's |
| 16:13.16 | mallum | Cwiiis: http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/matchbox/trunk/matchbox-keyboard/data/keyboard.xml |
| 16:13.46 | mallum | Cwiiis: no horrible X Keysym defs :) |
| 16:14.53 | koen|supper | eeps! |
| 16:14.59 | koen|supper | | /home/koen/OE/build/tmp/familiar/staging/arm-linux/include/expat.h:985: warning: `cdecl' attribute directive ignored |
| 16:15.03 | koen|supper | times 100 |
| 16:15.08 | mallum | wtf |
| 16:15.32 | koen|supper | then mv -f ".deps/matchbox-keyboard-key.Tpo" ".deps/matchbox-keyboard-key.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/matchbox-keyboard-key.Tpo"; exit 1; fiIn file included from matchbox-keyboard.h:15, from matchbox-keyboard.c:1:/home/koen/OE/build/tmp/familiar/staging/arm-linux/include/expat.h:216: warning: `cdecl' attribute directive ignored |
| 16:15.37 | koen|supper | wrong expat in OE? |
| 16:17.28 | mallum | koen: If mb builds with expat, mb-kb should too |
| 16:19.37 | mallum | koen: is the build actually breaking, or just getting that warning ? |
| 16:20.00 | koen | breaking |
| 16:20.16 | koen | LOL: fix configure.ac booboo |
| 16:21.07 | mallum | koen: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/expat-bugs/2003-December/001782.html |
| 16:21.55 | Cwiiis | mallum: ooh, that does look nicer :) |
| 16:23.31 | mallum | Cwiiis: it can figure out the keysym from the utf8 |
| 16:23.42 | mallum | Cwiiis: ( in theory at least ;) ) |
| 16:23.50 | Cwiiis | :) |
| 16:24.17 | mallum | it dont handle keys with images yet though |
| 16:32.13 | koen | mallum: I don't see any fix in that mail |
| 16:32.22 | koen | just a bunch of "me too!" mails |
| 16:32.41 | mallum | koen: hmf |
| 16:32.47 | mallum | koen: did mb build ok ? |
| 16:33.05 | koen | it's still building |
| 16:33.55 | koen | gah |
| 16:34.05 | koen | why does mb require virtual/kernel? |
| 16:35.50 | florian_kc | ~lart Cisco for useless error messages |
| 16:36.17 | mallum | koen: god knows |
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| 17:39.03 | florian_kc | reenoo: wb |
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| 17:39.13 | dballester | hi to all :) |
| 17:40.41 | dballester | I'm trying to find any type of command line mixer in gpe 2.6, something like alsamixer, exists something similar? or in other words, how can i know if the internal micro of the SL-5500 is active? TIA |
| 17:42.14 | Tygger_Bob | dballester: if you install alsa-utils, alsamixer's in there |
| 17:45.38 | florian_kc | yep... iirc we have aumix too. |
| 17:46.07 | reenoo | fwiw, none of the current distros ship alsa drivers |
| 17:48.33 | reenoo | florian_kc: http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200504211710 |
| 17:49.12 | dballester | but if i have no way to install nothing, how can i know if mic is ok? I'm trying to use 'record memo' and seems to be data in the file created, but nothing to ear. I have tried with several mics and i knoa that the mics are ok. I think that the problem is in my collie side, but how to check it? :? |
| 17:50.04 | reenoo | dballester: gpe-mixer? |
| 17:50.42 | dballester | i can see sed |
| 17:51.13 | dballester | reenoo: only shows a bar for wave sound, nothing more |
| 17:51.44 | dballester | i was hoping to see the mic bar, too, but no luck :( |
| 17:51.51 | florian_kc | uh that usually means that there are no sound modules loaded. |
| 17:52.40 | florian_kc | reenoo: ahhh! great! |
| 17:54.06 | dballester | florian_kc: but i can see esd running, and if i test the sound settings, i can ear the bell clearly |
| 17:54.30 | dballester | that's why i think that may be the mic is off by soft |
| 17:56.42 | dballester | of the record - sokoban runs very well :) |
| 17:56.53 | florian_kc | dballester: hmm maybe, if the mixer doesn't work in this case the mixer divice might have wrong permissions or the oss compatibility module isn't loaded. |
| 17:57.00 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 17:57.59 | reenoo | florian_kc: <reenoo> fwiw, none of the current distros ship alsa drivers |
| 17:58.30 | reenoo | florian_kc: no alsa, no oss compatibility modules. plain old oss... |
| 17:59.32 | florian_kc | reenoo: oh right... forget what i said. |
| 17:59.51 | florian_kc | ls -l /dev/mixer might give some clue |
| 18:02.06 | dballester | i'm trying to locate the oss .ko module file, to try to load it, anyboy knows his name? under /lib/module/kernel* no luck finding oss or snd :? |
| 18:02.59 | dballester | sharp_mmcsd_m? |
| 18:03.49 | dballester | argh, modinfo doesn't exist? |
| 18:03.49 | florian_kc | hmm... Zaurus? |
| 18:04.41 | dballester | openzaurus 3.5.3 & gpe 2.6 in a SL-5500S if it's what you are asking for, florian_kc |
| 18:06.22 | dballester | i must go out ( sigh ) hope some day i will have time to stay here for a while to ask & answer, too :( |
| 18:06.29 | dballester | regards |
| 18:06.35 | dballester | cu |
| 18:08.59 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 19:06.28 | luc | good evening |
| 19:06.30 | florian | hi luc |
| 19:06.48 | luc | hey florian! |
| 19:07.02 | luc | long days... |
| 19:07.33 | florian | ah, i think i have building libgpewidget documentation working again. |
| 19:07.40 | florian | yeah |
| 19:10.28 | luc | \o/ |
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| 19:27.05 | Cwiiis | koen|welding: How went that plan about the hh.org planet? |
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| 20:07.08 | bedboi_sm | hi there |
| 20:07.20 | bedboi_sm | greetings from the city/state san. marino |
| 20:08.27 | reenoo | hey bedboi_sm |
| 20:09.38 | reenoo | bedboi_sm: Imola? |
| 20:09.42 | bedboi_sm | near |
| 20:10.06 | reenoo | going to see the GP? |
| 20:10.29 | bedboi_sm | nope |
| 20:10.32 | bedboi_sm | i'm working here |
| 20:10.40 | bedboi_sm | time keeping service |
| 20:10.42 | bedboi_sm | with omega |
| 20:11.18 | reenoo | ah, ok |
| 20:11.32 | bedboi_sm | i do the data handling. |
| 20:13.23 | reenoo | cool |
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| 20:21.39 | philippe | hi people |
| 20:22.40 | florian | philippe: hey |
| 20:22.52 | reenoo | hey philippe |
| 20:23.56 | philippe | Anybody having problems with building libxss? |
| 20:25.00 | philippe | I have kind of a patch, but it doesn' t seem the right thing to do... |
| 20:25.37 | philippe | Also can somebody confirm that libsvg-cairo does not build correctly either? |
| 20:26.24 | florian | hmm let me try... |
| 20:26.43 | florian | i'm sure you are right with libsvg-cairo ;) |
| 20:28.21 | philippe | Ah great, I have the patch for that one :-) |
| 20:30.25 | bedboi_sm | brb (going to hotel |
| 20:40.03 | philippe | ok libsvg-cairo just has been fixed upstream. Latest CVS should work. |
| 20:41.00 | florian | ~lart bkbits |
| 20:42.00 | philippe | :-) |
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| 20:50.01 | florian | bedboi: wb |
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| 20:50.17 | bedboi | thanks |
| 20:54.34 | mallum | koen|welding: did you get matchbox-keyboard and oe to play nice in the end ? |
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| 21:07.28 | bedboi | back |
| 21:07.33 | bedboi | any news? |
| 21:11.12 | koen | mallum: no luck yet |
| 21:11.19 | koen | Cwiiis: I'm still waiting for an answer |
| 21:12.33 | mallum | koen: hmmm |
| 21:12.41 | mallum | koen: did mb build ok ? |
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| 21:14.22 | mallum | koen: check it is building with expat |
| 21:16.01 | koen | do I have to enable that via --with-expat or something? |
| 21:16.18 | mallum | yeah |
| 21:16.23 | mallum | --enable-expat |
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| 21:17.08 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 21:17.17 | koen | 'night reenoo |
| 21:22.52 | philippe | ANybody that can help me with the following error? |
| 21:23.44 | philippe | GConf Error: Failed to activate configuration server: The service org.gnome.GConf was not found in the activation entry list |
| 21:25.26 | koen | gpdf does that too |
| 21:26.07 | philippe | seems to be related to gconf-dbus. I will check if full Gconf solves the problem |
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| 21:26.27 | luc | koen, florian, I did a bit of writting to refresh the website. Please comment! Then I will merge the current content. |
| 21:26.37 | koen | luc: where? |
| 21:27.09 | luc | in cvstrac wiki |
| 21:27.51 | lardman | I had a look at writing a cardmon applet - seems a little more compicated than I'd hoped |
| 21:28.11 | lardman | I'll need a bit more time to get used to the GPE way of writing applets I think |
| 21:29.31 | koen | luc: the usage cases were intended to see how userfriendly gpe is out of the box |
| 21:31.24 | luc | koen: your usage cases are purely excellent. We should display the ones which are doable ("look, you can do this, and that... and that!"), and keep the others in wiki to show the way to developers |
| 21:31.55 | koen | ah yes |
| 21:32.07 | luc | koen: and such use cases are much more fun to read than a list of features or bugfixes ;) |
| 21:32.19 | koen | indeed |
| 21:32.35 | luc | koen: at least I had a good laugh, thanks! :) |
| 21:32.40 | koen | :) |
| 21:33.15 | bedboi | i was thinking about a cool thing |
| 21:33.21 | luc | me too |
| 21:33.23 | luc | :) |
| 21:33.37 | bedboi | the beamer should look the mimetype of beamed file |
| 21:33.54 | bedboi | and guess what to do of the file |
| 21:34.07 | bedboi | like, an image should be moved to some default place |
| 21:34.12 | bedboi | or be resized |
| 21:40.41 | Cwiiis | well, not resized... |
| 21:41.50 | bedboi | if you just want to watch 'em on your ipaq it's stupid having 4 mpixel photos |
| 21:42.02 | bedboi | and gpe-gallery can't handle the |
| 21:42.03 | bedboi | m |
| 21:42.49 | luc | well... maybe with this use case, it would be wise to not beam a 4Mb image, but resize it before, no? |
| 21:44.00 | florian | luc: okay... let me check |
| 21:45.38 | luc | florian: it would be nice to allow login, even without passwd, so we are not all anonymous ;) |
| 21:46.28 | florian | luc: indeed... let me check if this is easy to do, |
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| 21:51.16 | luc | good night all. |
| 21:51.19 | koen | NOTE: package matchbox-keyboard-svn: completed |
| 21:51.19 | koen | Build statistics: |
| 21:51.22 | florian | luc: hmm |
| 21:51.24 | koen | 'night luc |
| 21:51.31 | florian | luc: looks like it isn't that easy |
| 21:51.35 | koen | mallum: success! |
| 21:51.54 | florian | luc: looks like i need to create soem users... |
| 21:51.59 | florian | luc: good night |
| 21:52.06 | luc | florian: ok, let's see later. |
| 21:52.34 | koen | mallum: I need to tweak the .bb to ship the .xmls too |
| 21:52.49 | koen | I'll try to do that tomorrow or after the weekend |
| 21:54.49 | florian | wow... |
| 21:55.12 | florian | that looks like he did some work :-) |
| 21:57.18 | koen | who want to try the usage cases to see what gpe can to at the moment? |
| 21:57.24 | koen | wants* |
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| 22:00.17 | florian | koen: i'd love to do this.... but i don't have time and i'm a very bad user ;-) |
| 22:00.43 | koen | I'll see next week |
| 22:01.53 | koen | And I'll document the steps needed |
| 22:02.21 | florian | "libgpewidget-0.100.tar.gz is ready for distribution" |
| 22:02.24 | florian | aha |
| 22:02.34 | koen | good |
| 22:02.51 | florian | that's what "make distcheck" said. |
| 22:03.15 | mallum | koen: cool |
| 22:03.21 | mallum | koen: what was the problem ? |
| 22:03.42 | mallum | florian: cool |
| 22:03.49 | mallum | florian: why the odd version num ? |
| 22:03.52 | koen | mallum: I need to put the keyboard.xml into FILES_${PN} |
| 22:04.12 | koen | mallum: 15 minutes of work, but too much for the moment |
| 22:08.31 | florian | mallum: heh... thats really the current minor number. |
| 22:08.41 | koen | 0.99 + 1 |
| 22:09.16 | florian | yeah |
| 22:09.59 | koen | florian: coould you upload it? |
| 22:10.53 | koen | (it isn't in the source dir) |
| 22:11.12 | florian | koen: hmm yes.. wait |
| 22:11.27 | mallum | koen: I wouldn't worry about keyborad-extended.xml atm |
| 22:11.50 | mallum | koen: mind you, it will look nice on c7x0's but likely buggy |
| 22:12.10 | koen | and on ipaqs? |
| 22:12.59 | florian | hrmmm |
| 22:13.20 | florian | what happened to bkbits.net? |
| 22:13.37 | koen | it's down |
| 22:13.41 | mallum | hmm, jsmanique will probably wet himself over this; http://ds.rorexrobots.com/calc/ |
| 22:13.41 | koen | happens once a week |
| 22:14.26 | koen | brrrrr |
| 22:14.37 | koen | a ti-83 reminds me to much of asm |
| 22:15.09 | florian | mac2: heh |
| 22:15.20 | florian | s/mac2/mallum |
| 22:15.29 | philippe | we seem to have a problem with gconf-dbus... I replaced it by gconf (full) and now my previous error is gone. |
| 22:16.07 | philippe | FYI: This was the error: GConf Error: Failed to activate configuration server: The service org.gnome.GConf was not found in the activation entry list |
| 22:16.11 | florian | philippe: uh nasty... looks like some sevice doesn't work. |
| 22:16.23 | philippe | I have no clue where to look for it. |
| 22:18.07 | florian | philippe: is a .service file for this in place? (iirc /usr/share/dbus-1/services or similar) |
| 22:18.36 | philippe | florian, give me a sec. Reverting to gconf-dbus to check... |
| 22:19.35 | koen | florian: can I download http://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/projects/gpe/source/libgpewidget-0.100.tar.gz yet? |
| 22:22.17 | florian | koen: nope, i'm just writing a changelog |
| 22:23.29 | philippe | florian, /usr/share/dbus-1/services is empty... |
| 22:24.45 | philippe | How do I fix this? |
| 22:26.56 | koen | Could it be that the ipkg doesn't install the right files/postinst is doing something wrong? |
| 22:27.19 | koen | philippe: how much space does Stag take? |
| 22:28.02 | florian | uh |
| 22:28.32 | florian | that's maybe a failure of the gconf-dbus package. |
| 22:28.54 | florian | philippe: check if there are any .service files around in the filesystem. |
| 22:33.34 | florian | koen: the .bz2 is on ftp |
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| 22:39.46 | koen | florian: time for 0.101 |
| 22:39.56 | koen | | automake: unknown warning category `cross'| doc/gtk-doc.make:31: blank line following trailing backslash| doc/Makefile.am:54: `doc/gtk-doc.make' included from here| doc/gtk-doc.make:8: GTKDOC_CC was already defined in condition TRUE, which includes condition GTK_DOC_USE_LIBTOOL ...| doc/Makefile.am:54: `doc/gtk-doc.make' included from here| doc/Makefile.am:39: ... `GTKDOC_CC' previously defined here| doc/gtk-doc.make:9: GTKDOC_LD was already defin |
| 22:40.54 | koen | I say: let's look at that tomorrow after a good night of sleep |
| 22:40.56 | florian | hrm |
| 22:40.57 | koen | 'night all |
| 22:41.02 | florian | koen: good night |
| 22:41.13 | florian | this works pretty nice here :-/ |
| 22:46.28 | philippe | koen, depends on how you want to use it |
| 22:46.44 | philippe | oops. goodnight koen... |
| 22:50.51 | philippe | florian, I cannot find any .service files. |
| 22:53.40 | philippe | I just openened up the ipk. And there is a file. It does not seem to get installed though. |
| 22:55.19 | philippe | florian, Sorry it is... |
| 22:59.38 | florian | philippe: maybe is ends up in a wrong directory... |
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