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| 00:14.07 | florian | good night |
| 00:31.23 | Martintxo | good night everybody! |
| 00:31.39 | Martintxo | tomorrow will be another day... |
| 00:31.54 | Martintxo | CU |
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| 01:39.17 | luke-jr_ | Anyone know what 'keylaunch' is? |
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| 02:03.36 | luke-jr_ | aha... yay for OE pkg descriptions :) |
| 02:03.57 | luke-jr_ | so now the question is... why does keylaunch break matchbox-window-manager? :| |
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| 02:53.54 | HostingGeek | Hi |
| 02:54.12 | HostingGeek | What PDA do you sudgest to get for GPE? |
| 02:58.39 | HostingGeek | Hello? |
| 03:03.44 | HostingGeek | sorry |
| 03:03.59 | HostingGeek | But GPE looks great! |
| 03:04.01 | tigrux | HostingGeek: I ise H5555. |
| 03:04.05 | tigrux | * use |
| 03:04.16 | HostingGeek | tigrux: where do i get that |
| 03:04.21 | Wingnut | the device I'm using is still in development |
| 03:04.22 | HostingGeek | like what company makes it |
| 03:04.24 | tigrux | HostingGeek: Actually, I'm installing GPE 0.8.2 right now. |
| 03:04.25 | darmou | HostingGeek is there java for gpe? |
| 03:04.33 | tigrux | HostingGeek: I bought it in amazon. |
| 03:04.51 | HostingGeek | darmou: there is gcj from GNU |
| 03:04.57 | tigrux | darmou: You can use gcc-gcj, a kind of java. |
| 03:05.25 | HostingGeek | tigrux: i see its an HP |
| 03:05.31 | darmou | ok cool:) |
| 03:05.43 | HostingGeek | tigrux: is there full support for the hardware? |
| 03:05.50 | tigrux | HostingGeek: Yea, mostly. |
| 03:06.07 | HostingGeek | tigrux: I am thinking of getting a sharp.... |
| 03:06.09 | tigrux | HostingGeek: Infrarred, wireless, mmc, video. |
| 03:06.18 | tigrux | HostingGeek: A Zaurus? |
| 03:06.25 | HostingGeek | yea |
| 03:06.53 | tigrux | HostingGeek: The problem with zaurus in not all the hardware is full documented. |
| 03:06.58 | tigrux | HostingGeek: Then, you will have to use the kernel and drivers of Sharp. |
| 03:07.10 | HostingGeek | where do i get this: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7854914693.html |
| 03:07.17 | HostingGeek | tigrux: they are GPL'd? |
| 03:08.22 | tigrux | HostingGeek: Yes. |
| 03:08.43 | HostingGeek | tigrux: You really recommend HP? |
| 03:08.47 | tigrux | HostingGeek: But, I'm sure how usable is gcj in the arm/ipaq. |
| 03:08.59 | HostingGeek | tigrux: i don't need java.... |
| 03:09.04 | HostingGeek | I need debian! |
| 03:09.06 | tigrux | HostingGeek: I'm not an expert. I only know my ipaq works very good. :-) |
| 03:09.24 | HostingGeek | tigrux: can you take a screeny? |
| 03:09.45 | tigrux | HostingGeek: I'm reinstalling, I can't. |
| 03:10.00 | tigrux | HostingGeek: But, there are screenshots in gpe.handhelds.org |
| 03:10.08 | HostingGeek | tigrux: yea i know... |
| 03:11.15 | HostingGeek | tigrux: I am Think of wifi + VoIp |
| 03:11.25 | HostingGeek | is anyone here doing this? |
| 03:11.40 | tigrux | HostingGeek: No idea about VoIP. |
| 03:12.20 | HostingGeek | tigrux: is there a mini-epihpany or something like that for gpe? |
| 03:12.28 | HostingGeek | I hate XUL... |
| 03:12.36 | tigrux | HostingGeek: Yea, there is Minimo. |
| 03:12.43 | HostingGeek | and gtk-webcore is not stable yet |
| 03:12.53 | HostingGeek | tigrux: does it use GTK or xul? |
| 03:13.09 | tigrux | HostingGeek: And evenr lighter than minimo, there is dillo2, but Dill does not have JS. |
| 03:13.11 | HostingGeek | on such little ram you can't run unneed libs. |
| 03:13.16 | tigrux | HostingGeek: I think it is GTK. |
| 03:24.10 | HostingGeek | tigrux: i don't want to pay ms tax... |
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| 04:44.06 | luke-jr_ | HostingGeek: PDAs are inferior |
| 04:45.31 | HostingGeek | luke-jr_: Well i don't want to carry a lappy |
| 04:45.37 | luke-jr_ | HostingGeek: handhelds are nice |
| 04:45.49 | luke-jr_ | hence why we're in #gpe =p |
| 04:46.06 | luke-jr_ | BTW, I do WiFi+VoIP on my handheld sometimes |
| 04:46.11 | luke-jr_ | tho I don't have it setup right now |
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| 07:11.21 | pb_ | hi all |
| 07:18.05 | luke-jr_ | hey |
| 07:18.14 | luke-jr_ | pb_: keylaunch is evil, BTW |
| 07:20.20 | pb_ | hi mallum |
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| 08:30.12 | koen | good morning all |
| 08:32.07 | pb_ | hi koen |
| 08:36.03 | koen | hey pb_ |
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| 08:48.23 | bedboi | 'morning |
| 08:48.27 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 08:48.37 | pb_ | hi bedboi |
| 08:51.29 | pigeon | pb_: blame me if i'm late, ok? :) |
| 08:51.43 | pb_ | pigeon: heh, righto |
| 08:52.16 | pb_ | I think (hope) it only takes about 20-25 minutes to get there from where I am. |
| 08:52.56 | pigeon | i will probably take me about 25-30 |
| 08:53.02 | pigeon | which means i should be going pretty soon. |
| 08:53.10 | pb_ | heh, right |
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| 08:56.45 | pigeon | or, even, now. :) |
| 08:58.06 | bedboi | hey gaim rocks on gpe (it just need to fix the first dialog) |
| 09:01.21 | pb_ | yah, me too |
| 09:01.22 | pb_ | later all |
| 09:01.47 | koen | pigeon,pb_: have fun |
| 09:01.58 | pb_ | koen: I'll do my best |
| 09:01.58 | pb_ | heh |
| 09:02.34 | lardman | koen: I tried installing ipkg from your feed last night |
| 09:02.40 | lardman | koen: it has a dep on libipkg |
| 09:02.44 | lardman | v 148 |
| 09:02.51 | koen | that should be in too |
| 09:03.06 | lardman | oh, I'll have another look |
| 09:04.00 | koen | it wasn't in two days ago |
| 09:04.08 | lardman | ok, I see they were added since I grabbed the contents - ignore me |
| 09:05.16 | koen | It still isn't in OZ updates? |
| 09:05.18 | koen | shame on them |
| 09:05.49 | lardman | I don't know - I just thought I'd let you know you needed to add something to your feed (but I forgot to check whether you'd done so) |
| 09:05.59 | koen | :) |
| 09:14.49 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 09:15.38 | koen | hey florian_kc |
| 09:19.23 | p0m | koen: Would it be possible to release a tgz or rar jffs2 file for gpe-sectest? |
| 09:19.58 | koen | that doesn't save much |
| 09:20.10 | koen | jffs2 is gzipped internally |
| 09:20.22 | p0m | Ahh. |
| 09:20.48 | koen | bzipping the tar saves about 6% |
| 09:21.34 | p0m | About 1mb then. |
| 09:23.48 | koen | something like that |
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| 09:36.05 | koen | good morning mallum |
| 09:38.05 | florian_kc | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.21679.png |
| 09:38.21 | florian_kc | (latest gpe-todo) |
| 09:39.53 | p0m | florian_kc: "gpe-aerial vpn script"? |
| 09:40.02 | p0m | I'm guessing that's a script that detects a VPN on the other end? |
| 09:40.30 | koen | florian_kc: are the colours configurable? |
| 09:41.48 | florian_kc | p0m: detecting is hard, no... the idea is to have some script to start to initiate a vpn connection. |
| 09:42.03 | p0m | Ahh. |
| 09:42.12 | florian_kc | koen: not yet :-) |
| 09:42.17 | p0m | Can I just add that the "DHCP" etc detection doesn't yet work? |
| 09:43.37 | florian_kc | hmm yes, it is not easy to detect is dhcp is actually used. corrently it assumes this if no fixed address is configured. |
| 09:44.50 | p0m | Why not just run dhclient on the connection? |
| 09:45.48 | florian_kc | p0m: it does... or at least it is expected to do this. |
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| 09:46.49 | reenoo | morning |
| 09:48.50 | mallum | koen: hey |
| 09:49.48 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 09:50.06 | reenoo | hi mallum |
| 09:50.10 | reenoo | yo koen |
| 09:50.55 | koen | florian_kc: dhclient or udhpcpc -i $interface? |
| 09:51.06 | florian_kc | reenoo: hi |
| 09:51.13 | koen | remove a 'p' somewhere in that sentence |
| 09:51.25 | florian_kc | koen: it looks which binary is present :-) |
| 09:51.32 | koen | nice |
| 09:57.13 | mallum | hey reenoo , koen |
| 10:08.22 | mallum | I just checked out the simuter sdk |
| 10:08.39 | mallum | it seems they are using a hacked matchbox with no source avaiable that I can find |
| 10:08.47 | mallum | I have mailed them |
| 10:09.05 | mallum | I dont know if gpe folks want to check there SDK for any other potential violations |
| 10:09.35 | mallum | http://www.amidasimputer.com/developer/downloads/ |
| 10:10.03 | florian_kc | mallum: oh... this ounds nasty... let me see. |
| 10:11.07 | mallum | running strings on the alchemy & alchemyctl binarys has lots of clues there derivatives of matchbox-wm and matchbox-remote |
| 10:11.21 | mallum | also checking there .theme files, they are very simlar to mb |
| 10:12.48 | bedboi | cool... |
| 10:12.57 | bedboi | fsf should be warned |
| 10:13.12 | mallum | Im getting the next plane to India |
| 10:13.17 | mallum | with a big fucking axe |
| 10:13.18 | florian_kc | mallum: hrm... that sounds more than impolite :-( |
| 10:13.34 | florian_kc | hehe |
| 10:16.56 | bedboi | mallum: you just have to warn fsf, they should take care of this guys |
| 10:17.23 | koen | the fsf couldn't find their ass even if they were holding it with both hands |
| 10:17.49 | mallum | yeah I dont think the fsf are much help |
| 10:22.23 | p0m | Let FSF know, and then get someone to post to Slashdot about it/. |
| 10:22.34 | p0m | The /. effect is better than a big axe. |
| 10:22.43 | koen | heh |
| 10:22.47 | koen | slashdot |
| 10:23.10 | koen | p0m: did you see the 'linus bashes OOO' quote they added? |
| 10:23.11 | p0m | Yeah, real news on slashdot. |
| 10:23.17 | p0m | I think hell just froze over. |
| 10:23.26 | p0m | No? |
| 10:23.29 | florian_kc | hmm... i'm convinced that Heise likes this kind of stories too ;-) |
| 10:23.40 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 10:24.03 | p0m | Let everyone know. |
| 10:24.05 | koen | p0m: they quoted the article from The Register, but didn't bother to read the article |
| 10:24.11 | koen | about two days back |
| 10:24.13 | p0m | Just hope you get a better response than that with Sveasoft. |
| 10:35.10 | florian_kc | mallum: Do they provide any source at all? There are some well known libraries in the SDK. |
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| 10:39.19 | koen | mallum: can I talk you into making a .bb for xdamagevnc? |
| 11:01.30 | reenoo | the FSF will take care of it if (and quite likely only if) they own the copyright. and, fwiw, they prefer to keep things "under the surface". so, don't announce anything before contacting them. |
| 11:04.55 | mjg59 | What's the preferred media player on gpe? |
| 11:05.02 | mjg59 | (I'm mostly just fussed about ogg and mp3) |
| 11:05.35 | p0m | Vlc it would seem. |
| 11:07.07 | mjg59 | Oh, my suspend/resume problems seem to have gone away with 0.82 - no idea what was up there (it would sometimes refuse to suspend, and then it would refuse to resume) |
| 11:09.16 | koen | I think that's more luck than it actually being solved |
| 11:09.56 | mjg59 | Ha |
| 11:14.27 | mjg59 | Hmm. vlc-gpe depends on a libpostproc version that doesn't seem to be available |
| 11:17.16 | mjg59 | Ah, it's in world |
| 11:21.38 | koen | libpostproc is now in base too |
| 11:21.55 | mjg59 | Ta |
| 11:23.04 | koen | hmmm |
| 11:23.21 | koen | my h5550 does the "you have no usb abd lcd" thing again |
| 11:23.29 | koen | s/abd/and/ |
| 11:23.55 | mjg59 | I may be missing something here, but is minimo supposed to have scrollbars? |
| 11:24.14 | mjg59 | Ah, the joypad works |
| 11:24.26 | koen | it sometimes has scrollbars |
| 11:28.00 | koen | aargh |
| 11:31.20 | koen | cat /me reflashes |
| 11:41.46 | mjg59 | Hmm. Now my power button won't suspend, but apm -s does |
| 11:41.51 | mjg59 | (h3760) |
| 11:42.16 | p0m | You may not have to worry about Simputer mallum. |
| 11:42.21 | p0m | They seem to be going under. |
| 11:42.27 | p0m | But I'd like to see what improvements they have made. |
| 11:43.23 | koen | downgrade libx11-6 from the cvs version to the release (6.2.1) |
| 11:43.23 | koen | and check /etc/keylaunchrc |
| 11:43.23 | mjg59 | koen: Sorry, was that to me? I'm just using 0.8.2 |
| 11:44.00 | koen | mjg59: yes |
| 11:44.38 | mjg59 | koen: keylaunchrc has key???XF86PowerDown:apm --suspend |
| 11:44.50 | mjg59 | Sorry, add an = sign after key |
| 11:45.02 | mjg59 | Holding it toggles the power LED |
| 11:46.25 | mallum | p0m: they got back to me |
| 11:47.14 | p0m | mallum: And? |
| 11:50.38 | mallum | > 1. We have looked at the matchbox source code. |
| 11:50.38 | mallum | > 2. We liked the format of the matchbox theme XML file. |
| 11:50.38 | mallum | > 3, We liked the client message passing mechanism which it used. |
| 11:50.59 | koen | 4, we stole the code |
| 11:51.01 | mallum | > |
| 11:51.01 | mallum | > Having said that; we implemented our own window manager from scratch, WITHOUT |
| 11:51.01 | mallum | > USING A SINGLE LINE OF CODE FROM MATCHBOX. |
| 11:51.30 | mallum | I dont know what to do next |
| 11:51.53 | florian_kc | mallum: Tell tem the truth... "i don't believe you"... |
| 11:51.54 | koen | ask them to show you the source |
| 11:52.28 | florian_kc | they use libpng... do they provide the source of it? |
| 11:53.43 | mallum | looks like they've done the same with xkbd |
| 11:53.53 | mallum | and there are references to xstroke |
| 11:53.58 | mallum | *sigh* |
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| 11:54.23 | florian_kc | oops |
| 11:55.36 | p0m | Aren't they using the linux kernel in the first place? |
| 11:55.57 | koen | 1, we looked at the kernel source code |
| 11:56.03 | koen | 2, we liked it |
| 11:56.27 | koen | Having said that; we implemented our own kernel from scratch, WITHOUT USING A SINGLE LINE OF CODE FROM linux |
| 11:56.31 | p0m | Ok, seeing as they used X as a base, aren't they obligated to release their modifications and/or source? |
| 11:56.42 | p0m | Seeing as they're distributing. |
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| 11:56.48 | florian_kc | hmmm yes, i found xstroke too |
| 11:56.54 | koen | hey luis |
| 11:57.05 | p0m | Allright, what would I be downloading to check for stuff/and or mirror it? |
| 11:57.23 | p0m | Cross compiler for Arm and SDK? |
| 11:57.29 | florian_kc | "Unable to manage root window (Check if another wm is running.)" sounds really familiar... |
| 11:57.48 | p0m | Give me a second to run strings against matchbox here. |
| 11:58.29 | p0m | Hmm, the battery's dead :| |
| 11:58.52 | p0m | Any ideas what they've done to matchbox? |
| 11:59.30 | p0m | Because if it's still separate executables you could run a diff, right? |
| 12:03.46 | mallum | florian_kc: you got that message from it ? |
| 12:05.11 | p0m | There's mail on gmane about simputer + matchbox. |
| 12:05.38 | mallum | I've asked they release source code to me for inspection |
| 12:05.49 | florian_kc | mallum: yeah... "strings usr/bin/alchemy" using their x86 sdk. |
| 12:06.11 | mallum | florian_kc: didn't notice that one |
| 12:06.20 | mallum | florian_kc: pity the binarys are stripped |
| 12:06.26 | florian_kc | mallum: thats really obvious.... |
| 12:06.40 | p0m | mallum: Strip yours and then compare. |
| 12:06.40 | florian_kc | mallum: to which address did you write? |
| 12:08.36 | p0m | This page lists all software downloadables from the Simputer project. All of the software is under the GNU GPL. |
| 12:08.45 | p0m | Straight from the simputer.org downloads page. |
| 12:08.59 | p0m | Apparently there is some on sourceforge. |
| 12:09.14 | mallum | p0m: its different software |
| 12:09.17 | mallum | p0m: already checked it |
| 12:09.18 | p0m | Darn. |
| 12:09.37 | p0m | Did you check their wmx window manager? |
| 12:09.41 | mallum | yeah |
| 12:09.55 | p0m | Ok, just checking. |
| 12:10.19 | p0m | I'm stuck on windows right now, but I have a few tools at my disposal, I'll try and see what I can get out of them. |
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| 12:22.15 | lardman|busy | Is there a card applet for the 'taskbar' in GPE? |
| 12:22.32 | lardman|busy | So I can see what is mounted, and unmount it |
| 12:22.51 | koen | no, only in the settings screen |
| 12:22.57 | lardman|busy | koen: ok, thanks |
| 12:22.59 | koen | it's a big missing thing |
| 12:25.03 | lardman|busy | Is there a way in GPE to change the term fint size, or do I have to edit conf files for that? |
| 12:25.09 | lardman|busy | s/fint/font |
| 12:26.42 | koen | look & feel -> terminal |
| 12:27.09 | lardman|busy | Great :) |
| 12:27.10 | p0m | Look & feel applies to terminals now? |
| 12:27.11 | p0m | Woot. |
| 12:27.24 | p0m | mallum: "%s:Tag not supported in the theme file" is that familiar? |
| 12:28.25 | lardman|busy | koen: has no effect on terminal as far as I can tell |
| 12:28.39 | koen | ah yes, xdefaults is only read in login |
| 12:28.49 | lardman|busy | ok |
| 12:28.51 | p0m | lardman|busy: /etc/X11/xdefaults |
| 12:29.03 | koen | p0m: it uses ~/.Xdefaults |
| 12:29.12 | p0m | Ahh. |
| 12:29.37 | koen | if you feel perky you can add support for colours to gpe-conf |
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| 13:10.27 | koen | good morning mccarthy |
| 13:12.01 | mccarthy | morning koen |
| 13:12.07 | mccarthy | still no pb_ :( |
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| 13:12.17 | mccarthy | I guess I needed to test it on the ipaq anyway |
| 13:12.23 | mccarthy | look at that |
| 13:12.28 | mccarthy | I have the magic touch :) |
| 13:12.33 | mccarthy | hi pb_ |
| 13:12.33 | pb_ | heh |
| 13:12.43 | pb_ | mccarthy: greetings from down under |
| 13:12.56 | florian_kc | hey pb_ |
| 13:12.56 | mccarthy | about 7 seconds before you connected: "<mccarthy> still no pb_ :(" |
| 13:13.10 | pb_ | florian_kc: good afternoon! |
| 13:13.11 | koen | hey pb_ |
| 13:13.16 | mccarthy | what part of down-under? |
| 13:13.19 | pb_ | mccarthy: Sydney |
| 13:13.24 | pb_ | hi koen |
| 13:15.04 | mccarthy | Sydney is beautiful. I stayed on darling harbor once, nice... |
| 13:15.25 | koen | gpdf says: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.8461.png |
| 13:16.00 | florian_kc | pb_: Looks like gpe-todo is happy with the autotoolized libgpewidget now... looks like got it :-) |
| 13:16.06 | mccarthy | so can you *view* something koen?! |
| 13:16.17 | koen | and: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.8554.png |
| 13:16.27 | koen | mccarthy: error messages... |
| 13:16.29 | florian_kc | koen: osunds nasty |
| 13:16.54 | mccarthy | pb_: I am (probably) all done adapting libschedule (and friends) to use a regular old at (on desktops et al.) |
| 13:17.29 | mccarthy | before I upload it, I guess I should make sure the (small) changes I made to ipaq behavior didn't break anything |
| 13:18.10 | mccarthy | is there an easier way than using florian_kc's cross-compile environment? (i.e., do the ipaq cluster support GPE buiulding again?) |
| 13:18.12 | pb_ | florian_kc: excellent! |
| 13:20.01 | pb_ | mccarthy: yeah, Sydney is great. I've been here all week, and had a good time so far. On Sunday I'm off to Canberra, though. |
| 13:20.12 | pb_ | mccarthy: no; I suspect the cross-compile thing is still your best bet. |
| 13:20.24 | koen | mccarthy: as long as you don't need cairo.h, the clusters are "useable" |
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| 13:24.57 | bedboi | hi there |
| 13:28.16 | bedboi | re |
| 13:29.34 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 13:30.04 | bedboi | i found out how to connect to irc without gprs :) |
| 13:30.30 | bedboi | through an account i have on a swedish server |
| 13:30.32 | bedboi | :) |
| 13:31.41 | bedboi | ah, gkdial-gnomeless doesn't compile 'cause the source url returns 404 |
| 13:39.00 | bedboi | re |
| 13:39.55 | pb_ | ah, that would be a problem. |
| 13:41.15 | bedboi | hm...i also have problems with gpe-calendar |
| 13:41.41 | mccarthy | bedboi: no! |
| 13:41.45 | mccarthy | :) |
| 13:41.46 | bedboi | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.50 | bedboi | | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 13:41.52 | bedboi | | make: *** [gpe-calendar] Error 1 |
| 13:41.55 | bedboi | | FATAL: oe_runmake failed |
| 13:42.06 | bedboi | mccarthy: ;) |
| 13:42.36 | ||cw | ever heard of a program called wifiradar? |
| 13:42.53 | koen | ||cw: do you have an url for it? |
| 13:43.02 | ||cw | ~google wifiradar |
| 13:43.04 | ||cw | :P |
| 13:43.44 | ||cw | http://www.bitbuilder.com/wifi_radar/ |
| 13:44.05 | pb_ | bedboi: heh, it should be fairly obvious from that error what is wrong. patches are welcome. |
| 13:44.24 | pigeon | pb_: hey hey |
| 13:44.29 | ||cw | the idea is, instead of letting "iwlist scan" and ESSID=any find your AP, you setup profiles |
| 13:44.37 | pb_ | pigeon: heh, hello |
| 13:45.00 | ||cw | if iwlist find an AP that you don't have a profile for, it will not conect to it until you make a profile |
| 13:45.29 | bedboi | pb_: yep, btw i'm not into cairo, so it's not that obvious for me ;) |
| 13:45.40 | mccarthy | florian_kc: in your email regarding your SDK you say "The text file |
| 13:45.40 | mccarthy | tells you which environment to set up before starting to compile." but I have no idea what text file you speak of?! |
| 13:45.52 | mallum | bedboi: patch out cairo ;) |
| 13:46.25 | mallum | bedboi: and comment with /* Disabled until API stable release */ |
| 13:47.00 | mccarthy | florian_kc: nevermind. found it |
| 13:47.09 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.36 | mallum | now its autofoo'd hopefully cairo will need to be specifically enbaled |
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| 13:49.52 | mccarthy | is there a simple way to tell our default makefiles that we are crosscompiling? |
| 13:49.55 | pb_ | bedboi: irrespective of how "into" cairo you are, I would have thought you could figure out what "cairo_set_alpha_DEPRECATED_BY_cairo_set_source_rgba" is trying to tell you. But, as an additional hint, maybe it will help to know that cairo_set_alpha has been deprecated by another function. I'll leave it to your ingenuity to figure out what the name of the other function might be. |
| 13:50.06 | bedboi | yep |
| 13:50.13 | bedboi | i just found out ;) |
| 13:50.36 | mccarthy | pb_: I thought you were having a "nice time" in Sydney. That was harsh :) |
| 13:50.39 | pb_ | not that "deprecated by" is terribly good grammar, but still. |
| 13:50.43 | pb_ | mccarthy: heh |
| 13:51.12 | mallum | bedboi: at least you will have a 'pretty' clock |
| 13:51.23 | mallum | bedboi: then it will all be worth it |
| 13:53.04 | mallum | florian_kc: you've checked in the Makefiles, only the Makefile.am's need go in cvs ;) |
| 13:53.30 | mccarthy | ok. so I *presume* that Makefile.cross has *something* to do with what I am trying to accomplish, but it is still not clear to me :) |
| 13:54.01 | pb_ | mccarthy: CC=arm-linux-gcc make all |
| 13:54.04 | pb_ | or something |
| 13:54.24 | ||cw | will a pygtk2 based script work in gpe? |
| 13:54.32 | pb_ | if you have pygtk2 installed, yes |
| 13:54.35 | mccarthy | pb_: but don't I need to use the arm ld and other junk? Makefile.cross makes it look much more complex. florian_kc ?! |
| 13:54.59 | pb_ | mccarthy: not for simple packages. if you do, set LD=arm-linux-ld. |
| 13:55.07 | pb_ | (etc) |
| 13:55.23 | ||cw | hm, pygtk is in the feeds, is that gtk1 or 2? |
| 13:57.36 | ||cw | 1.2 |
| 13:57.46 | ||cw | ipkg takes a long time |
| 13:58.46 | lardman|busy | I can't get a capital y in the terminal - shift-y gives a little one and the on-screen keyboard (shit or caps) does nothing |
| 13:59.02 | lardman|busy | s/shit/shift oops |
| 13:59.52 | ||cw | anyone got an pygtk2 ipkg? |
| 14:00.03 | ||cw | -g |
| 14:00.37 | ||cw | oh, I tried to set a bg image and my whole desktop goes black intil i log off and back on |
| 14:01.20 | ||cw | if i set /usr/share/gpe/pixmaps/gpe-logo.png it works, but any other png doesn't |
| 14:01.38 | ||cw | is there a color depth restriction? |
| 14:01.40 | bedboi | how do i force bitbake to make a do_stage (or how it's called) |
| 14:01.56 | bedboi | on a package |
| 14:02.03 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.42 | bedboi | i patched libcairo |
| 14:03.07 | bedboi | the i run make, and bitbake -c stage -f -b blahblah |
| 14:03.40 | bedboi | btw if i run bitbake -b something/gpe-calendar.. i still have the same issue |
| 14:03.57 | bedboi | i need to populate too |
| 14:12.33 | mccarthy | koen: ok. so I am testing my changes, and then I will upload to CVS. Does someone else build the ipks these days using some OE/bitbake/whatever nonsense? |
| 14:13.08 | koen | yes |
| 14:13.54 | mccarthy | cause dependencies are all messed up in the control files these days so I am not sure that I am going to make very "clean" test ipks... |
| 14:15.46 | reenoo|work | heh |
| 14:15.51 | reenoo|work | nonsense? |
| 14:15.51 | mccarthy | damn |
| 14:15.56 | reenoo|work | ~stab mccarthy |
| 14:15.58 | ibot | ACTION runs at mccarthy with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 14:16.03 | mccarthy | and gpe-announce wants to call itself gpe-announce2 |
| 14:16.43 | mccarthy | reenoo|work: all I know is I disappear for a short 8 months or so and now I can't even compile piks anymore! |
| 14:16.55 | mccarthy | ipks either! |
| 14:17.07 | mccarthy | ;) |
| 14:17.31 | reenoo|work | that isn't OE's fault, is it? |
| 14:17.48 | bedboi | eheheh |
| 14:17.58 | mccarthy | well it sort of is, since folks don't keep the control files up to date anymore (since OE must not use them) |
| 14:23.48 | reenoo|work | basically OE is a tool. you can't seriously blame the tool for how people make use of it |
| 14:25.29 | koen | florian_kc: could you do me a small favour and compile gpe-today latest cvs? |
| 14:25.39 | mccarthy | sure I can (I didn't say it was reasonable), but it is better than blaming it on an koen now isn't it?! |
| 14:26.22 | bedboi | florian_kc: can you ask fuchs about gkdial ? |
| 14:26.33 | bedboi | it seems that the source is not on his website |
| 14:26.46 | koen | bedboi: florian == fuchs |
| 14:26.47 | bedboi | or maybe the .bb file is not up to date |
| 14:26.50 | bedboi | ah |
| 14:26.51 | bedboi | cool |
| 14:26.51 | bedboi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.52 | bedboi | ahahah |
| 14:27.02 | bedboi | so florian, please ask yourself |
| 14:27.05 | bedboi | ;) |
| 14:27.14 | koen | 16:27 -!- florian_kc [~fuchs@dns.kernelconcepts.de] |
| 14:31.21 | florian_kc | re |
| 14:31.25 | florian_kc | *ggg* |
| 14:32.08 | florian_kc | bedboi: eh... well... let me check the bb where i put the source to. |
| 14:33.15 | reenoo|work | mccarthy: no, you can't blame anyone for choosing the simple solution called OE |
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| 14:33.41 | mccarthy | reenoo|work: you are no fun :-p |
| 14:35.29 | florian_kc | bedboi: indeed... that sources are all in oe - except of the original 1.8.1 sources. |
| 14:36.39 | florian_kc | bedboi: forget about that "gnomeless" the other one in oe is the same but much more up to date. |
| 14:36.50 | florian_kc | koen: okay.... |
| 14:36.55 | bedboi | ok |
| 14:38.01 | florian_kc | koen: i need to fix libtododb... wait a second. |
| 14:38.23 | lardman|busy | what's the recommended media player on GPE (or is there a web site with this stuff so I don't ask more silly questions)? |
| 14:39.24 | tigrux | GPE of 0.8.2 fails, when launching several applications, showing en empty error dialog. :-( |
| 14:39.51 | florian_kc | mallum: argh... which one?! |
| 14:39.54 | tigrux | * an empty error dialog |
| 14:40.10 | florian_kc | tigrux: turn off the effects... |
| 14:40.50 | reenoo|work | lardman|busy: check your backlog |
| 14:42.42 | lardman|busy | reenoo|work: you mean for the topic title? |
| 14:42.58 | mallum | florian_kc: all of them |
| 14:43.10 | mallum | florian_kc: they are autogenerated from the Makefile.am's |
| 14:43.19 | koen | lardman|busy: no, someone asked the question earlier, and we said vlc- gpe |
| 14:43.51 | mallum | florian_kc: ./autogen.sh makes Makefile.in's from Makefile.am's, ./configure makes Makefiles from Makefiles.in's |
| 14:44.13 | lardman|busy | koen: oh, I can't scroll back that far, thanks |
| 14:44.26 | florian_kc | mallum: looks like this is a bad side effect... i removed all and add them to .cvsignore at the same time. |
| 14:45.40 | florian_kc | mallum: yes i know... |
| 14:47.47 | florian_kc | mallum: but it cvs ignores "cvs rm Makefile" |
| 14:51.09 | bedboi | gotta go |
| 14:51.11 | bedboi | later |
| 14:51.34 | florian_kc | mallum: sorry... but there isn't any Makefile in libgpewidget CVS anymore. |
| 14:54.33 | mallum | florian_kc: :) |
| 14:55.38 | mccarthy | why would one use write rather than fwrite? |
| 14:56.43 | mallum | mccarthy: fwrite buffers ? |
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| 14:57.28 | mccarthy | mallum: I don't really know how to use either, I am likely moving libschedule *awaY* from write and to fwrite though (since I am not sure how to use fprint and write together) |
| 14:57.34 | mccarthy | oops |
| 14:57.36 | mccarthy | fprintf |
| 15:02.20 | mallum | write() you normally use when your writing binary , no textual data |
| 15:03.34 | mccarthy | mallum: ok. whoever did this was using write for text strings |
| 15:03.39 | mccarthy | (probably pb_) |
| 15:03.49 | mccarthy | anywho, I got it switched nicely |
| 15:07.25 | lardman|busy | Should VLC come from the VideoLan.org homepage as I can't find it in the OZ feeds? |
| 15:09.06 | reenoo|work | lardman|busy: no. vlc-gpe should be in the feeds. best take that up with #openzaurus I guess |
| 15:09.32 | lardman|busy | reenoo|work: ok, thx |
| 15:10.20 | mallum | mccarthy: you can use it for text too, depends how elite you are |
| 15:10.45 | mccarthy | mallum: this *is* pb_ we are talking about :) |
| 15:11.39 | koen | lardman|busy: you can try http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/sfeed/ |
| 15:11.40 | mccarthy | but then again, *he* didn't get gpe-calendar working aith at now did he?! |
| 15:11.52 | mccarthy | aith -> with |
| 15:12.03 | mccarthy | koen: one last test then I upload |
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| 15:12.14 | koen | lardman|busy: I think vlc fell victim to all the sharp-ati-core incompat with mplayer |
| 15:12.41 | koen | ~praise mccarthy |
| 15:12.43 | ibot | All hail mccarthy! |
| 15:13.46 | mccarthy | damn. passed on the desktop, but failed on the ipaq :( |
| 15:15.26 | mallum | isn't that always the way :( |
| 15:15.51 | mccarthy | just some silly write permissions thing, I will find it |
| 15:15.55 | lardman|busy | koen: ok, thanks |
| 15:16.00 | mccarthy | but yes, it is always the way, sammit |
| 15:16.10 | mccarthy | good spelling today |
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| 15:26.49 | mccarthy | dammit. I dont want to debug on the ipaq :( |
| 15:27.04 | mccarthy | The code works *fine* on the desktop! |
| 15:29.54 | jserv2 | pigeon: Hi! |
| 15:32.21 | mccarthy | does anyone speak with nils regularly? |
| 15:32.27 | mccarthy | florian_kc: ? |
| 15:33.47 | florian_kc | mccarthy: sure... i can see him right now :-) |
| 15:34.12 | mccarthy | florian_kc: could you ask him why we use a custom atd rather than a regulat at/atd? |
| 15:34.38 | mallum | florian_kc: can you ask him to pass the sugar |
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| 15:38.35 | mccarthy | mallum: wsieass |
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| 15:38.50 | nilsf | Tach! |
| 15:38.51 | mccarthy | hi nilsf |
| 15:38.54 | florian_kc | mccarthy: for acessing the non-pc rtc |
| 15:39.28 | nilsf | mccarthy: Or rather to simply make use of the RTC at all. |
| 15:39.39 | nilsf | mccarthy: Normal at just watched the system time/date. |
| 15:39.49 | koen | hey nilsf |
| 15:40.09 | mallum | nilsf: heya |
| 15:40.27 | nilsf | mccarthy: The Familiar atd programs the next alarm into the RTC which will then issue an IRQ on aarival and thus the device will wake up. |
| 15:40.35 | nilsf | koen: Hi! |
| 15:40.36 | nilsf | mallum: Hi! |
| 15:41.36 | mccarthy | nilsf: oh. I didn't realize that. So atd wouldn't normally use the rtc at all? (anf thus would not wake up our ipaqs) |
| 15:42.26 | nilsf | mccarthy: I think so, yes. |
| 15:43.06 | nilsf | mccarthy: For "normal" systems there is no need to use the RTC. They simply copy the RTC time/date to system time on boot and that's it. |
| 15:44.55 | mccarthy | nilsf: ok. so would it be a lot of work to adapt at to use our atd? |
| 15:49.58 | mccarthy | yeah |
| 15:50.06 | mccarthy | found my ipaq issue |
| 15:50.23 | mccarthy | (tried to write -1 bytes to a file with fwrite) |
| 15:52.46 | florian_kc | mccarthy: oops |
| 15:53.11 | mccarthy | I guess cutting and pasting the environment copying portion of "at" didn't work very well :) |
| 15:53.39 | mccarthy | but a quick check that it is >=0 was enough to get it working again |
| 15:54.51 | mccarthy | nilsf: could ask you to make two quick changes to atd's start up scripts? |
| 15:55.25 | nilsf | mccarthy: Asking is always OK ;) |
| 15:55.41 | mccarthy | oops |
| 15:55.56 | mccarthy | looks like I *knew* what I was going to ask, but now I don't exactly) |
| 15:56.07 | mccarthy | I *think* we used to use the start-stop-daemon thingie |
| 15:56.11 | mccarthy | but now we don't |
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| 15:56.44 | mccarthy | I basically need atd to put a pid in /var/run (which was just a flag change on the old version, but I don't knwo how to do it now) |
| 15:57.04 | nilsf | mccarthy: Oh... dunno. |
| 15:57.16 | nilsf | mccarthy: In case you find out, send me a patch and I'll check it in. |
| 15:57.27 | mccarthy | do you know who changed it in the first place? |
| 15:59.19 | mccarthy | oops |
| 15:59.21 | mccarthy | my bad |
| 15:59.31 | mccarthy | nilsf: was looking at the wrong startup script |
| 15:59.41 | mccarthy | my *desktop* doesn't use the start-stop-thingie :) |
| 16:01.01 | nilsf | OK... |
| 16:11.04 | mccarthy | nilsf: I don't know if you really need a patch. All we need to do is add "-m" to the start-stop-daemon for the "start" part and sutract the "--oknodo" from the stop one |
| 16:11.25 | mccarthy | if you want a patch I can make one though :) |
| 16:11.40 | nilsf | mccarthy: Yes please, it is easier to apply. |
| 16:12.04 | mccarthy | do you have a preference for diff flags? |
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| 16:28.45 | nilsf | mccarthy: Not really -- context diff would be nice. |
| 16:32.19 | OSS542 | koen |
| 16:38.29 | koen | hey OSS542 |
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| 17:11.29 | OSS542 | and the silence descends |
| 17:12.19 | koen | I noticed some mail of oz-users too :) |
| 17:14.35 | OSS542 | sometimes it's a tad hard to decide wheter to send to oe, gpe or oz.... |
| 17:14.49 | OSS542 | not always sure whose territory is whose |
| 17:16.04 | OSS542 | just tossed out DropBear to replace it with openssh.....only to have X11 forwarding stop working...:-) |
| 17:16.53 | OSS542 | but was at least able to retrieve files to the from a session started on it |
| 17:17.12 | OSS542 | which was something DropBear could not do, it turns out |
| 17:17.37 | koen | florian_kc: looks like you're on a roll with the autofoo |
| 17:19.52 | lardman | koen: cheers for your help, have a nice weekend |
| 17:22.59 | florian_kc | koen: yeah... but is really lasty... |
| 17:24.30 | florian_kc | koen: i have to work with autotools in a project, so i have the chance to use my knowlege (and some lines of code) here. |
| 17:26.57 | mallum | florian_kc: but how will they cross compile ;) ? |
| 17:28.24 | reenoo|work | ~fridays |
| 17:28.41 | reenoo|work | hmm |
| 17:28.43 | reenoo|work | ~friday |
| 17:28.44 | ibot | Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 17:29.02 | OSS542 | It's Saturday here |
| 17:29.37 | florian_kc | mallum: yes... i patch the libtool in autogen.sh :-) |
| 17:29.54 | florian_kc | OSS542: heh... |
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| 17:32.58 | OSS542 | 2:30am time for bed.....er....futon |
| 17:33.16 | florian_kc | OSS542: good night |
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| 17:36.06 | florian_kc | mallum: but thanks, that reminded me to add this fix to libtododb |
| 17:36.11 | florian_kc | hi Toni |
| 17:38.54 | mallum | florian_kc: echo "Fixing libtool..." |
| 17:38.54 | mallum | patch -p0 < libtool-cross.patch |
| 17:38.56 | mallum | !!!!! |
| 17:38.59 | Toni | florian_kc: hoy |
| 17:39.11 | Toni | someone rebooted our shellbox :o |
| 17:39.19 | florian_kc | ! |
| 17:39.30 | mallum | florian_kc: why do you do that ? |
| 17:39.41 | florian_kc | mallum: hey that's fine... intltool and oe do this too. |
| 17:39.51 | florian_kc | mallum: because it sucks ;-) |
| 17:40.12 | mallum | florian_kc: so oe when it builds is going to apply the same patch twice ? |
| 17:40.35 | mallum | florian_kc: the autogen.sh is not checking for libtool version either |
| 17:41.12 | mallum | florian_kc: you should at least put a comment in there |
| 17:41.27 | florian_kc | mallum: it shouldn't do this... or at least i hope so. if it would do this i'd need to move it out there... |
| 17:41.37 | florian_kc | mallum: hmm right... |
| 17:41.57 | florian_kc | mallum: i must admit that i don't really like this solution... |
| 17:43.08 | reenoo|work | mallum: OE doesn't run autogen.sh and uses its own (patched) libtool from staging |
| 17:43.46 | florian_kc | reenoo|work: in any case? |
| 17:43.47 | mallum | reenoo|work: I though it regenerated autofoo stuff for every package ( via its own autogen foo ) |
| 17:44.03 | koen | autoreconf? |
| 17:44.10 | reenoo|work | mallum: it runs autoreconf -v --install |
| 17:44.22 | mallum | reenoo|work: yeah |
| 17:44.37 | mallum | reenoo|work: libgpewidget is doing the equivilent, then patching what it creates |
| 17:45.21 | reenoo|work | mallum: as long as that's done in autogen.sh there shouldn't be any interference |
| 17:47.16 | mallum | reenoo|work: I just dont understand why florian is doing it |
| 17:48.12 | mallum | reenoo|work: when we discussed using autotools, we said its not so bad if used properly |
| 17:48.40 | reenoo|work | mallum: IIRC the patch is to compensate for broken .la files |
| 17:49.20 | florian_kc | mallum: some people want to crosscompile without using oe :-) |
| 17:49.36 | florian_kc | reenoo|work: yes mostly... |
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| 17:50.09 | reenoo|work | florian_kc: arguably the .la files in the SDK should just be fixed |
| 17:50.19 | mallum | florian_kc: how do people cross compile gtk, X etc though ? |
| 17:50.39 | mallum | reenoo|work: and surely libgpewidget is part of the sdk, already x-compiled |
| 17:51.09 | florian_kc | reenoo|work, mallum: yes... that's right - removing them fixes the issue :-) |
| 17:51.28 | florian_kc | mallum: ... using a patched libtool or no libtool at all. |
| 17:51.42 | mallum | florian_kc: also oe can guarentee what version of libtool is being used, you cant |
| 17:52.24 | reenoo|work | mallum: well.. shipping broken .la files (i.e. ones that point to /usr/lib or to a non-existant path) is a bad idea in general |
| 17:52.30 | florian_kc | mallum: well... it could, but imho it doesn't. |
| 17:56.15 | mallum | florian_kc: I just think its a bad idea |
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| 17:56.33 | mallum | florian_kc: its bound to come back and bite you |
| 17:57.16 | mallum | florian_kc: I thought oe built its own copy of libtool ? |
| 17:57.29 | florian_kc | mallum: maybe... i don't think its a good idea either... but the best solution so far. |
| 17:57.52 | florian_kc | mallum: it does... but it changes from time to time - like in other systems. |
| 18:00.24 | mallum | florian_kc: does it break stuff if people arnt x-compiling ? |
| 18:01.03 | florian_kc | mallum: no |
| 18:01.12 | florian_kc | mallum: that would be really bad |
| 18:02.20 | mallum | florian_kc: I dunno, I think it would be safer to have the SDK 'fix it' |
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| 18:04.32 | florian_kc | mallum: yes right, need to do this if i have a free minute |
| 18:04.43 | trichmon | Great job on the new GPE released with the OZ 3.5.3! |
| 18:06.43 | florian_kc | ah cool... looks like OZ integration of GPE is becoming better :-) |
| 18:07.43 | trichmon | The only think i can find that doesnt work right is system time (resets on reboot) and alarms (dont work for me) but everything else is just great |
| 18:11.38 | florian_kc | hmm... sounds like somethin in the base system or the kernel is strange. |
| 18:12.16 | koen | it's a sharp thing |
| 18:12.30 | koen | mickeyl tried to solve it with /etc/timestamp |
| 18:12.45 | mccarthy | koen: I am too lazy to do good Changelog entries right now, so I will upload the now officially working changes to libschedule et al over the weekend... |
| 18:12.57 | koen | mccarthy: okidoki |
| 18:13.46 | mccarthy | do we do version-based dependencies? cause several changes are slightly incompatible with older versions of stuff |
| 18:14.04 | koen | mccarthy: If you tell me the version numbers, I'll stick the new packages in OE |
| 18:14.26 | mccarthy | ok. I will email you when I upoad then. Thanks |
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| 19:05.47 | florian_kc | koen: gpe-today doesn't look that good on my pc. |
| 19:06.35 | koen | does it handle the background correct with xsettings? |
| 19:07.04 | florian_kc | koen: h... i think i need to check it on my pda |
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| 19:33.12 | ||cw | xsettings? |
| 19:34.11 | ||cw | gpe today is kinda superplain |
| 19:35.35 | ||cw | if I run it from a term i get a bunch of "attempt to draw a drawable with depth 24 to a drawable with depth 16" |
| 19:36.01 | ||cw | a bunch == 5 |
| 19:36.14 | ||cw | gtg, bye |
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| 19:40.34 | mccarthy | ||cw: yea, that problem messes with my pretty icons in gpe-calendar too. I haven't figured how to fix it yet... |
| 19:41.26 | florian_kc | mccarthy: i remember we had this issue in one of the games too. iirc pb_ fixed this. |
| 19:41.30 | ||cw | make the icons 16bit? |
| 19:41.37 | ||cw | the screen is only 16bit right? |
| 19:41.43 | koen | pixmap versus pixbuf? |
| 19:41.59 | mccarthy | yes, but my feable attempts to use that simple solution didn't work. |
| 19:42.22 | mccarthy | I think it is related to koen's question, but I don't really understand the diff between the two so I have stayed out of it :) |
| 19:42.51 | florian_kc | koen: something like this |
| 19:46.11 | florian_kc | mccarthy: look at this change in gpe-lights2: cvs diff -r 1.4 -r 1.5 gpe-lights.c |
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| 19:55.34 | mccarthy | florian_kc: do we not use the gpe_find_icon_pixmap routine anymore then? |
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| 19:57.19 | univac | latest gpe in familiar has bug |
| 19:57.28 | univac | in toolbar |
| 19:57.38 | univac | on the down |
| 19:57.42 | mccarthy | ok, so we don't use that, but I am not sure that I can use a pixbuf in the same way in a clist |
| 19:57.44 | florian_kc | mccarthy: right... use gpe_find_icon() and gpe_find_icon_scaled() |
| 19:57.53 | florian_kc | mccarthy: http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/gpe/doc/libgpewidget/libgpewidget-pixmaps.html#gpe-find-icon-pixmap |
| 19:58.32 | florian_kc | univac: what is up with this? |
| 20:02.54 | univac | icons are crashed where i change clock format etc |
| 20:03.35 | florian_kc | univac: can you make a screenshot of this? on which device is this? |
| 20:03.41 | mccarthy | florian_kc: crap. In order to fix it, I need to update from a clist construct to a treeview (clist was depricated back in gtk 2.0, I think) |
| 20:03.46 | mccarthy | too much trouble for today |
| 20:03.57 | univac | florian_kc: h3800 |
| 20:04.18 | florian_kc | mccarthy: yes indeed |
| 20:04.41 | florian_kc | mccarthy: are you working on gpe-calendar? |
| 20:05.17 | mccarthy | not right now, but I have unchecked-in changes (if that is what you mean) |
| 20:06.23 | florian_kc | mccarthy: eh no... it was more the question in wich application you need to replace that clist. |
| 20:06.32 | mccarthy | oh |
| 20:06.33 | florian_kc | s/wich/which |
| 20:06.52 | mccarthy | yes, the older parts of gpe-calendar (mostly the stuff I wrote) makes heavy use of clists. |
| 20:07.17 | mccarthy | I think that gpe-todo did as well, but I haven't worked ont hat in almost 2 years, so I have no idea if it wa cut out of that |
| 20:08.06 | florian_kc | mccarthy: maybe talk to bedboi if he shows up, he intended to work on this some months ago. |
| 20:08.23 | mccarthy | yes |
| 20:08.41 | mccarthy | I think bedboi was the one that swooped in and cleaned up a lot of my earlier gpe-calendar mess :) |
| 20:08.43 | florian_kc | mccarthy: i did some work on gpe-todo lately... the clist is history for a long time now. :-) |
| 20:08.47 | ||cw | speaking of calendar, how can i delete a repeating event? |
| 20:09.03 | ||cw | I can see the event in the month and week view, but not in the day view |
| 20:09.04 | univac | florian_kc: heh, now it works :) |
| 20:09.15 | mccarthy | try and delete any istance of it and it should ask if you are making an exception or killing the whole set |
| 20:09.29 | mccarthy | ||cw: really? weird |
| 20:09.35 | ||cw | mccarthy: I can see any instances of it except in month view :/ |
| 20:09.42 | mccarthy | ||cw: you should still be able to select it from the month view |
| 20:09.51 | mccarthy | (roght click) |
| 20:09.56 | mccarthy | right even |
| 20:10.06 | ||cw | ah |
| 20:10.10 | ||cw | did notice that before |
| 20:10.23 | ||cw | it still wouldn't do anything until I pressed enter on the kb |
| 20:10.30 | ||cw | (which I just got today weee! |
| 20:10.42 | ||cw | that worked |
| 20:10.58 | florian_kc | mccarthy: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.21679.png |
| 20:11.10 | ||cw | can I config the cal to have sunday first? |
| 20:11.39 | mccarthy | florian_kc: that could still be a clist (I think) |
| 20:11.50 | mccarthy | ||cw: I tried that once, but borked it pretty good. |
| 20:11.50 | luke-jr_ | koen: ping |
| 20:12.05 | mccarthy | ||cw: you could use an xsetting and see if it works at all |
| 20:12.10 | florian_kc | mccarthy: That's gpe-todo about 20 hours ago. It's a treeview :-) I cleand up the code.... |
| 20:12.17 | ||cw | what's xsetting? |
| 20:12.54 | mccarthy | a lame preferences thingie that we started using ages ago, that I think only florian uses anymore :) (in gpe-conf) |
| 20:13.39 | mccarthy | florian_kc: is there something similar to gtk_clist_set_pixtext for a treeview? |
| 20:14.23 | ||cw | where should I put feature requests? I'd like to see the wlan monitor show the IP address and have a button to renew the dhcp |
| 20:15.37 | mccarthy | ||cw: you *know* where you can put your requests ;) |
| 20:16.07 | Cwiiis | ||cw: The wlan monitor is part of matchbox-panel, unless you want there to be one in GPE |
| 20:16.17 | florian_kc | mccarthy: there is quite some stuff still reading xsettings... gtk e.g. |
| 20:18.47 | florian_kc | mccarthy: it is not that simple, the treeview has a different (and much more flexible) concept. You can insert that pixmap in the the list store and add a renderer for this in the treeview. |
| 20:18.56 | florian_kc | mccarthy: there is a pretty nice treeview tutorial somewhere... |
| 20:19.07 | florian_kc | ibot: google for treeview tutorial |
| 20:19.45 | florian_kc | ah the first one.... |
| 20:23.14 | mccarthy | thanks florian_kc |
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| 20:27.41 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 20:28.22 | florian_kc | hi bedboi |
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| 20:35.29 | florian_kc | bbl |
| 20:43.11 | tigrux | Hmmm... kbdd still does not work in h5555. :-( |
| 20:46.35 | ||cw | tigrux: works for me |
| 20:46.50 | ||cw | the conf file has some weird stuff in it though |
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| 20:47.03 | ||cw | did you comment out the getty line at the end of inittab? |
| 20:47.15 | tigrux | ||cw: Nope. |
| 20:47.23 | ||cw | well, you have to |
| 20:47.35 | ||cw | getty has the com port, kbdd can't get it |
| 20:47.42 | ||cw | comment out, then reboot |
| 20:48.11 | reenoo|work | just switching the runlevel should be sufficient |
| 20:48.14 | tigrux | ||cw: Actually, I have kbdd working, but I have to start kbdd when the ipaq is connected to the serial port. |
| 20:48.29 | tigrux | ||cw: It is the only way I have found it works. |
| 20:48.35 | ||cw | start it? |
| 20:48.50 | tigrux | ||cw: Yes, run it. |
| 20:49.21 | ||cw | hm, I did notice that the kb doens't work when I put it in the dock |
| 20:49.35 | ||cw | I have the hpslim |
| 20:49.48 | tigrux | ||cw: What ipaq? |
| 20:49.51 | ||cw | h5555 |
| 20:50.33 | tigrux | I ddin't even know hpslim works on h5555. |
| 20:50.47 | ||cw | it does |
| 20:50.52 | tigrux | -) |
| 20:50.59 | tigrux | Does it work well? |
| 20:51.02 | ||cw | the prog buttons don't seem to be quite right though |
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| 20:51.43 | ||cw | "mail" does a down arrow, cal and addr seem to do nothing |
| 20:51.47 | ||cw | but the itask button works |
| 20:51.59 | ||cw | all the keys seem to work too |
| 20:52.31 | ||cw | the one I got says it works on the h5400 |
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| 20:55.04 | florian | re |
| 20:55.07 | florian | re |
| 20:56.30 | tigrux | ||cw: z6:6:respawn:/sbin/sulogin |
| 20:56.30 | tigrux | S:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 115200 tts/0 vt100 <--- This line? |
| 20:57.07 | ||cw | hm, i just made mine freak out |
| 21:00.42 | ||cw | yeah, that last line |
| 21:05.55 | ||cw | hm, I tried re-enabling the getty, did "init 3", getty started and kb stoppped working |
| 21:06.12 | ||cw | commented out and init 3 again, kb still not work |
| 21:06.15 | ||cw | had to reboot |
| 21:06.55 | ||cw | tigrux: what kb do you have? |
| 21:07.06 | tigrux | ||cw: Foldable. |
| 21:07.13 | tigrux | ||cw: You are right, it worked :-) |
| 21:07.50 | ||cw | wonder if there's something in kbdd that disabled the kb when you put it in the serial cradle or what |
| 21:10.45 | ||cw | now if I could stop the wlan from connecting to the weakest AP |
| 21:11.07 | tigrux | ||cw: Do you have to start kbdd manually? |
| 21:11.15 | ||cw | nope |
| 21:11.26 | tigrux | ||cw: Did you change other files? |
| 21:11.27 | ||cw | but I did have my kb plugged in when i boot up |
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| 21:11.48 | ||cw | just inittab and /etc/kbdd.conf |
| 21:20.12 | tpdd | How to i recalibrate the on screen input? |
| 21:20.22 | Cwiiis | Are any of the X models of iPaq supported by Familiar? |
| 21:20.50 | koen | Cwiiis: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SupportedHandheldSummary |
| 21:21.02 | Cwiiis | koen: Wow, fast :) |
| 21:23.28 | ||cw | are the kbdd types hard coded? |
| 21:23.30 | koen | that will require me having a E680 first, though |
| 21:24.03 | koen | have a look at http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/kbdd |
| 21:24.38 | ||cw | looks like "yes" |
| 21:25.03 | ||cw | the "app" buttons are not working right with the hpslim and the h5555 |
| 21:25.29 | ||cw | i'll setup a compile env sometime |
| 21:25.33 | ||cw | but not today :) |
| 21:26.32 | koen|z | ||cw: mail nils or paul about it |
| 21:27.06 | koen|z | use -kbdd -D to find out the keycode and send them the suggested keys |
| 21:27.22 | ||cw | k |
| 21:28.19 | koen | 'night all |
| 21:28.31 | reenoo|work | 'night koen| |
| 21:28.36 | reenoo|work | 'night koen|* |
| 21:29.38 | koen|sleep | reenoo|work: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/cvm.tar.bz2 |
| 21:31.05 | reenoo|work | koen|sleep: heh. no, thanks. I'll stay away from sun's licensing >:) |
| 21:31.38 | florian | koen|sleep: good night |
| 21:38.22 | Cwiiis | night koen|sleep |
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| 22:41.41 | reenoo|work | 'night all |
| 22:44.22 | pigeon | jserv2: yo! |
| 22:55.15 | florian | good night |
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