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| 06:59.19 | pb_ | ibot, botmail for florian_kc: no, I don't think that code has changed in ages. Can you tell whether it manages to launch xkbd but then fails to capture it, or just fails to launch it at all? |
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| 07:48.06 | rob_w-cgi | can someone tell some typical values for nfs throughput on 100 F D ? |
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| 08:29.33 | koen | good morning all |
| 08:33.07 | mallum | hey koen |
| 08:33.18 | koen | hey mallum |
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| 08:44.56 | florian_hrz | hi all |
| 08:45.06 | koen | moin florian_hrz |
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| 08:45.30 | reenoo | morning |
| 08:45.53 | florian_hrz | hi reenoo |
| 08:46.07 | reenoo | moin florian_hrz |
| 08:46.27 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 08:46.43 | reenoo | hi koen |
| 08:48.20 | florian_hrz | oh quite some traffic on the mailinglist this night... |
| 08:49.32 | koen | mostly dealing with bugs we already solved |
| 08:49.46 | koen | compposite, dialog hiding |
| 08:50.20 | florian_hrz | yeah |
| 09:00.52 | koen | i wondered why I received so little spam teh last few days |
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| 10:21.30 | florian_hrz | bbl |
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| 10:38.01 | bedboi | hi all |
| 10:39.14 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 10:39.49 | bedboi | hey koen |
| 10:39.52 | bedboi | any news ? |
| 10:40.10 | bedboi | i got to set up bitbake on the server so i can work on gpe |
| 10:40.19 | bedboi | here at university |
| 10:41.22 | bedboi | going to read oe wiki |
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| 10:43.02 | bedboi | what about a detailed gpe newsletter? |
| 10:43.20 | koen | sounds like a good plan |
| 10:43.28 | bedboi | i was reading Oe newsletter, and i think it's really usefull for users |
| 10:43.38 | bedboi | feedback is really important |
| 10:44.09 | eyck | nobody want's to listen to feedback from me though |
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| 10:44.54 | florian_kc | re |
| 10:45.03 | koen | hey florian_kc |
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| 10:57.09 | bedboi | eyck: how come? |
| 11:01.06 | eyck | bedboi: I tend to report problems, people don't like that ;) |
| 11:01.39 | koen | it's the way the problems are reported |
| 11:01.46 | koen | ~smartquestions |
| 11:01.47 | ibot | somebody said smartquestions was http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 11:04.22 | bedboi | eyck: yep. it's important how you report problems :) |
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| 11:09.57 | eyck | yup, that's exactly what I mean. people don't listen. |
| 11:10.34 | bedboi | bbl |
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| 11:44.49 | mallum | jserv2: whats picoGL ? |
| 11:49.13 | koen | 10^-12 GL |
| 11:49.59 | reenoo | heh |
| 11:50.26 | koen|uni | bbl |
| 12:41.13 | jserv2 | mallum: Hi! |
| 12:41.29 | jserv2 | mallum: PicoGL is a subset of OpenGL. |
| 12:42.12 | jserv2 | mallum: based on TinyGL, but we have implemented various graphics backends, such as FBDev. |
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| 12:44.00 | mallum | jserv2: I have been thinking about hacking tinyGL to conform to opengl es spec |
| 12:44.23 | mallum | jserv2: is picoGL publically available ? |
| 12:46.07 | jserv2 | mallum: svn co https://svn.csie.net/picogl/PicoGL |
| 13:00.09 | mallum | jserv2: who's working on it ? |
| 13:00.47 | jserv2 | mallum: Two Chinese. :) |
| 13:00.54 | mallum | jserv2: you ? |
| 13:01.29 | jserv2 | mallum: yes. |
| 13:03.30 | mallum | jserv2: :) rock |
| 13:07.38 | mallum | jserv2: any thoughts on an es api for it ? |
| 13:12.20 | koen | that would be nice too |
| 13:13.01 | jserv2 | mallum: no exact programming yet, but I've tested ES implementation on X11. |
| 13:13.53 | jserv2 | mallum: But I was a bit puzzled that ES's samples were not performing very well. |
| 13:13.59 | koen | does that have a software renderer too? |
| 13:14.08 | jserv2 | even no double buffering. :( |
| 13:14.35 | mallum | jserv2: what ES implementation ? |
| 13:14.53 | jserv2 | gles-1.0c, I meant. |
| 13:15.40 | mallum | jserv2: from kronos ? |
| 13:16.07 | jserv2 | mallum: maybe, I am not sure. |
| 13:16.23 | mallum | jserv2: whats gles-1.0c |
| 13:18.10 | jserv2 | mallum: directory name of gles version I downloaded. |
| 13:18.37 | mallum | jserv2: where did you d/l from though ? |
| 13:19.16 | mallum | oh that is the kronos sample implentation |
| 13:20.33 | Cwiiis | Philippe: How far did you get with your gpe-helpviewer? Can it be launched from applications ok yet, and if so, is there something I can read to give me a quick overview? Thinking of porting Aisleriot solitaire, but it's no good without the help... |
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| 13:22.00 | koen | hey mister down under |
| 13:22.07 | pb_ | evening all |
| 13:23.13 | bedboi | hi pb |
| 13:45.24 | pb_ | a whole new suite, from scratch? eleet. |
| 13:50.48 | mallum | koen: thanks :) was putting off doing that myself ;) |
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| 13:51.47 | koen | mallum: the ipkgs should be in ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/feed/ in 20 minutes or so |
| 13:54.47 | koen | Cwiiis: gxine failed for me on some alsa AM_CONDITIONAL errors |
| 13:55.08 | mallum | koen: cool |
| 13:55.23 | koen | which might be related to the world build cluttering STAGING_INCDIR |
| 14:02.46 | Crofton_ | | + sed 's%^root:[^:]*:%root:*:%' |
| 14:02.46 | Crofton_ | | /oe_stuff/tmp/work/gpe-image-1.0-r17/temp/run.do_rootfs.17402: line 294: /oe_stuff/tmp/rootfs/etc/passwd: No such file or directory |
| 14:02.46 | Crofton_ | NOTE: Task failed: |
| 14:02.46 | Crofton_ | NOTE: package gpe-image-1.0-r17: task do_rootfs: failed |
| 14:02.58 | Crofton_ | this seems strange |
| 14:03.19 | koen | the passwd postinst failed |
| 14:03.38 | koen | base-passwd even |
| 14:03.50 | koen | it's usually a symptom of a cluttered OE tree |
| 14:04.02 | Crofton_ | but shouldn't build have lakted there? |
| 14:04.13 | Crofton_ | hmm, I could believe that ... |
| 14:04.23 | Crofton_ | heh lek... == halted |
| 14:05.33 | Crofton_ | rm -rf tmp ..... |
| 14:06.11 | koen | that usually fixes it for me |
| 14:07.38 | Crofton_ | is there a python that can do user interfaces for gpe? |
| 14:08.03 | koen | python-gtk? |
| 14:08.15 | Crofton_ | hmm, that would be obvious :) |
| 14:11.29 | Crofton_ | hmm, no python-gtk.bb file |
| 14:13.02 | koen | it's in OE, ask mickeyl |
| 14:13.25 | Crofton_ | I'm looking around to see if maybe there is another name ... |
| 14:13.38 | pb_ | it's python-pygtk. |
| 14:13.54 | Crofton_ | ah thanks |
| 14:14.11 | florian_kc | hey pb_ |
| 14:15.01 | pb_ | hi florian_kc |
| 14:15.44 | florian_kc | pb_: do you think it is ok to check in the autotoolized libgpewidget? |
| 14:16.02 | pb_ | florian_kc: if it works, yeah |
| 14:16.20 | pb_ | ("works" meaning that stuff like "make source" and the translations are OK) |
| 14:20.08 | Cwiiis | koen: alsa ones...? That's odd, it doesn't require alsa to build or anything... |
| 14:22.26 | florian_kc | pb_: i think so, distcheck works and the source packages seem to be ok - need to verify the quality of the translations. |
| 14:22.55 | pb_ | okay, great. |
| 14:23.03 | pb_ | well, if you're happy with it, please go ahead and check it in. |
| 14:24.05 | Cwiiis | koen: In fact, I can't find a single instance of 'alsa' (case insensitive) in the whole of the gxine source :p hehe - If you could try and debug it, that'd be great |
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| 14:27.39 | florian_kc | pb_: okay... then i'll do this as soon as i do the last tests. |
| 14:27.52 | pb_ | florian_kc: very cool |
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| 14:28.48 | bedboi | hi there |
| 14:29.06 | jsmanrique | i |
| 14:29.08 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 14:29.44 | koen | hey jsmanrique |
| 14:36.12 | koen | drat all the flowers are crawling with aphids |
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| 14:39.24 | jsmanrique | how goes everything? |
| 14:39.25 | jsmanrique | anything new? |
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| 14:40.20 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: hmm not that much... do you want to play with the autotoolized libgpewidget? |
| 14:41.00 | jsmanrique | autoolized? |
| 14:42.09 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: "using autotools" :-) |
| 14:43.07 | jsmanrique | aha |
| 14:43.14 | jsmanrique | I am looking FLybook website |
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| 14:46.38 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: thats nice, but the quality is not that good for this price. |
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| 14:47.51 | skopii | hey I was wondering if anyone knows about meshcube. more specifically how I can obtain one. |
| 14:48.51 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: it seems so |
| 14:49.20 | koen | skopii: try http://meshcube.org/index_e.html |
| 14:49.21 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: I am still looking for a xscale+4gb hdd+wacom tablet :-D |
| 14:50.25 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: 8.4" screen |
| 14:50.38 | florian_kc | skopii: a little bit... www.4g-systeme.de iirc |
| 14:51.05 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: that will be complicated |
| 14:51.48 | skopii | florian_kc, koen thanks but it doesn't have priceing. I remember hearing about it months ago, but now that I want to get one they only have the "accesscube" |
| 14:52.00 | skopii | florian_kc, koen thanks though. I will try giving them a call. |
| 14:52.09 | koen | E300 last I heard |
| 14:52.18 | koen | my boss wanted to buy one a while ago |
| 14:52.51 | skopii | I saw some on the "distributor site" for around E400+ |
| 14:53.16 | skopii | I will try to contact the company direct. |
| 14:53.24 | skopii | thanks |
| 14:53.25 | koen | you can buy a lot wrt54gs units for that kind of money |
| 14:53.51 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: how much is skeye.pad xsl? linux inside? |
| 14:54.28 | koen | jsmanrique: you can buy two ibooks for one skyeye |
| 14:55.02 | florian_kc | skopii: I remember they had good prices for developers some time ago. |
| 14:55.18 | skopii | the fact that you can put senao 200mW cards inside the meshcube was what I liked about it. That and they have an outdoor version. But you raise a good point - if I can accomplish the same thing with a linksys box for less i might just do that. |
| 14:55.40 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: yes... expensive >>1000 EUR and the linux port is only a plan and not a fact. |
| 14:55.47 | jsmanrique | koen: really? that's a madness |
| 14:55.59 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: I see |
| 14:56.10 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: why that high price? |
| 14:56.15 | skopii | hmm, I will call tomorrow while at work (im in the US) |
| 14:56.22 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: how many do they sell during year? |
| 14:56.42 | rob_w-cgi | florian , i saw that this gooroo uses i386 ,(transmeta ) so a "netvista" image should be generally booting , right ? |
| 14:57.16 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: where do they manufactur it? |
| 14:58.29 | rob_w-cgi | phuuu hotline queue is closing now , finished for another day |
| 14:59.36 | florian_kc | rob_w-cgi: yes right... to make it really good i think you maybe need a different kernel config. |
| 15:00.03 | rob_w-cgi | sure , thnx |
| 15:00.29 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: what about skeye.pad sl? it uses a strongarm 206 mhz |
| 15:01.05 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: thats industry grade equipment and not consumer hardware... lower quantities, high quality... |
| 15:01.30 | koen | mallum: it should be in that feed now |
| 15:01.34 | mallum | koen: cool |
| 15:01.38 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: I see |
| 15:02.03 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: there is some basic linux support for it, i think we still need a bootloader... but it is expensive too. |
| 15:02.21 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: what is high quality? how much does skeye.pad sl cost? |
| 15:02.45 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: I suppose that the screen costs too much |
| 15:02.46 | koen | jsmanrique: http://www.kernelconcepts.de/products/linux-portable.shtml |
| 15:03.00 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 15:03.03 | jsmanrique | koen: I am on that website right now reading ;-) |
| 15:04.19 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: what does it include? (I have forgotten most of my german/deutsch? :-) |
| 15:04.30 | florian_kc | hrm... we need an english website :-/ |
| 15:04.36 | jsmanrique | Kommunikationsstation und Netzteil |
| 15:04.43 | jsmanrique | wireless? |
| 15:05.40 | koen | cradle and AC |
| 15:05.57 | jsmanrique | I see |
| 15:06.03 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: that cradle and ac adapter, no wireless... but it has pcmcia and cf. |
| 15:06.05 | jsmanrique | expensive :-) |
| 15:06.09 | florian_kc | yep |
| 15:06.10 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: yes, I see |
| 15:06.23 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: have you sold any? |
| 15:07.50 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: yes... but only to developers iirc, the linux port to it is currently not finished. noone pays for it and we don't have spare time to do it. |
| 15:08.13 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: I see |
| 15:08.20 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: the other device on that site is supported very well. |
| 15:08.32 | florian_kc | except of that new flash tey use :-/ |
| 15:08.52 | florian_kc | ~lart H&W for using nasty NAND flash |
| 15:09.08 | florian_kc | heh, thats good :-) |
| 15:09.32 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: the handheld? integral? I see |
| 15:10.23 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: but I am not looking for a laser scanner :-) |
| 15:10.31 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: heh |
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| 15:13.12 | koen | hey tigrux |
| 15:13.36 | rob_w-cgi | -cu all |
| 15:14.30 | jsmanrique | tigrux: hola!!! |
| 15:14.47 | jsmanrique | tigrux: how goes everything? |
| 15:14.58 | tigrux | Saludos jsmanrique |
| 15:15.01 | tigrux | Hello koen |
| 15:15.06 | jsmanrique | tigrux: have you seen Miguel blog and his comment to gpe? |
| 15:15.26 | tigrux | jserv2: I'm sleepy. I spent part of last night practicing with boo. :-) |
| 15:16.42 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: http://www.everex.org/news.htm |
| 15:17.02 | jsmanrique | tigrux: boo? is it as good as I've been reading? |
| 15:17.18 | jsmanrique | tigrux: no gtk# in gpe yet :-) |
| 15:17.20 | tigrux | jsmanrique: http://boo.codehaus.org |
| 15:17.37 | jsmanrique | tigrux: I read monologue :-) |
| 15:17.40 | koen | does anybody know where miguel got the pointer to check the screenies? |
| 15:17.51 | tigrux | koen: ? |
| 15:17.53 | jsmanrique | koen: guess :) |
| 15:18.09 | koen | jsmanrique: santa claus? |
| 15:18.17 | jsmanrique | koen: maybe from a weblog in Barrapunto :-) |
| 15:18.27 | jsmanrique | koen: who knows |
| 15:18.45 | jsmanrique | koen: I've posted some days before it appeared in his blog |
| 15:18.47 | koen | jsmanrique: I was guessing it was either you or tigrux |
| 15:18.52 | jsmanrique | XD |
| 15:19.09 | koen | jsmanrique: btw, the hh.org admins are looking at hosting a planet |
| 15:19.45 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: that looks interesting too... |
| 15:21.14 | jsmanrique | koen: great! |
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| 15:21.35 | koen | hey ade|desk |
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| 15:21.47 | jsmanrique | koen: I have talked with an opie developer that studies in my campus, and it likes the idea. He has written to admins |
| 15:22.03 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: I am reading the pdf right now |
| 15:22.17 | koen | jsmanrique: skyhusker? |
| 15:23.56 | jsmanrique | koen: yep |
| 15:24.06 | jsmanrique | koen: have you talked with him? |
| 15:24.31 | koen | I talk to him on #handhelds.org sometimes |
| 15:26.05 | jsmanrique | I see |
| 15:32.59 | mallum | jsmanrique: Im actually making some progress with a new keyboard :) |
| 15:32.59 | ade|desk | hey folks, and night .grr courses and lack of net connection |
| 15:33.14 | jsmanrique | mallum: nice, I'll have to check it |
| 15:41.58 | mallum | jsmanrique: it dont actually display anything yet ;) |
| 15:42.34 | mallum | jsmanrique: just parses an xml config file and calculates its layout, prints it size and exits |
| 15:42.47 | mallum | jsmanrique: but it should handle utf8 alot better |
| 15:42.58 | mallum | jsmanrique: and the code is *much* *much* nicer |
| 15:43.42 | jsmanrique | mallum: nice |
| 15:43.49 | jsmanrique | I have to leave now |
| 15:43.51 | jsmanrique | see you later |
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| 16:05.14 | koen | hey Daan |
| 16:07.35 | Cwiiis | Does gpe have methods for using buzzers on PDAs that have them, for alarms and such? |
| 16:07.47 | koen | Cwiiis: yes |
| 16:08.04 | Cwiiis | koen: Do you know what files I want to be looking at for that? |
| 16:08.09 | Daan | hey koen :) |
| 16:08.22 | koen | Cwiiis: I think it uses /proc/buzzer or something |
| 16:08.37 | koen | grep for buz :) |
| 16:08.53 | bedboi | koen: i think Cwiiis was thinking about some library |
| 16:11.21 | Cwiiis | bedboi: well, the pointer to /proc/buzzer is something, can see how it uses it :) |
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| 16:43.13 | koen | mallum, Cwiiis the new wireless applet is working great |
| 16:46.21 | Cwiiis | koen: Good stuff - mostly mallum's work |
| 16:47.38 | bedboi | what's new? |
| 16:47.42 | bedboi | in wifi applet? |
| 16:47.49 | koen | it actually work now |
| 16:49.44 | koen | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.4709.png |
| 16:50.20 | florian_kc | ah, very nice! |
| 16:50.21 | bedboi | oh, cool |
| 16:50.35 | bedboi | i like the clock applet too |
| 16:50.57 | bedboi | can i update without breaking the beast? |
| 16:51.11 | koen | I just did |
| 16:51.14 | bedboi | koen: is it in your repository? |
| 16:51.27 | koen | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/feed/ |
| 16:52.18 | bedboi | i'm using 0.8.2 feeds |
| 16:52.26 | bedboi | ipkg update && upgrade will work? |
| 16:52.52 | koen | yes, but I advise to just ipkg install matchbox-panel w |
| 16:53.06 | koen | and don't have apps running you are updating |
| 16:54.03 | bedboi | ok |
| 16:55.39 | mallum | Cwiiis, koen : none of my work - cwiiis & kergoth |
| 16:55.47 | mallum | though I did fix the clock up pretty good |
| 16:56.01 | Cwiiis | mallum: Ah, ok, mostly kergoth's then :) |
| 16:56.12 | koen|welding | bbl |
| 16:57.37 | bedboi | i just need to install matchbox-panel |
| 16:58.02 | florian_kc | bbl |
| 17:06.41 | bedboi | bye |
| 17:06.42 | bedboi | bbl |
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| 19:09.02 | florian | re |
| 19:12.20 | luc | hey florian! |
| 19:17.26 | florian | hi luc |
| 19:21.56 | luc | florian, what's the state of the doc? which part needs work? |
| 19:22.47 | Philippe | evening people.... |
| 19:23.47 | Philippe | Cwiiis, I just saw your question in the backlog. The helpviewer is fully functional. Apart from the config file parsing I was planning to use to generate a general index page for all the help. |
| 19:24.22 | Cwiiis | Philippe: Are there instructions on using it within an application anywhere? |
| 19:25.52 | Philippe | Well Florian was planning to fix something so you could use gpe_show_help(). The helpviewer should be registered somewhere but I have no clue where and how. unfortunately.. |
| 19:26.37 | Philippe | Otherwise just use system("gpe-helpviewer /path-to-help/... &"); But this is really nasty... |
| 19:27.35 | florian | luc: Some bits of libgpewidget doc are missing and most of the libraries are missing documentation. I think libgpepimc has documentation... |
| 19:27.46 | luc | Philippe, can you specify a chapter in an help file? |
| 19:28.20 | florian | Philippe: okay... let me think... |
| 19:28.45 | luc | florian libgpepimc has templates but very little doc. I check that. |
| 19:29.48 | florian | ~lart German tax system |
| 19:31.53 | Philippe | luc, I think it should be possible... But I should check to be honest |
| 19:32.17 | Philippe | however do you want so long help files on such a little screen anyway? |
| 19:33.16 | luc | Philippe, doesn't have to be long, maybe two screen size, just to jump to the part requested by the user. |
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| 19:33.40 | luc | of course it depends a lot how we write the doc |
| 19:34.39 | Philippe | indeed. I thought of starting to use the wiki pages to start with (with smaller images if they are useful) |
| 19:35.13 | Philippe | But I still need to find a way to strip things. Install size with all dependencies is about 1.4MB |
| 19:35.44 | luc | ! |
| 19:39.20 | luc | florian, libgpepimc 80% symbol docs coverage, it seems I wrote more than I thought :) |
| 19:39.59 | florian | luc: heh, indeed :-) That's good! |
| 19:40.18 | Philippe | luc, libxml2 and Gconf are huge... |
| 19:40.52 | florian | is this gconf-dbus? |
| 19:41.59 | Philippe | no normal gconf (package is gconf_2.6.1-r0_arm.ipk) |
| 19:42.55 | luc | Philippe, libxml2 does far too much things for us! |
| 19:43.28 | florian | hah - gconf-dbus should be smaller because of much less dependencies. |
| 19:46.53 | Philippe | I was actually very surprised to have it as a dependency... but I haven't had time to look into the problem |
| 19:50.20 | florian | koen|welding: Did you try to fix abiword today? |
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| 20:20.54 | mccarthy | darn. no pb_ |
| 20:21.00 | mccarthy | ibot seen pb_? |
| 20:21.03 | ibot | pb_ <~pb@217-136-222-203.rev.techex.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 5h 20m ago, saying: 'cd2: okay. send me a mail if you have any news.'. |
| 20:21.26 | mccarthy | sleeping in australia, I guess |
| 20:36.33 | luc | ...good night all. |
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| 21:00.59 | koen | florian: not yet |
| 21:02.56 | florian | koen: wb |
| 21:11.45 | koen | I did figure out which makefile to patch, but I got distracted by the sun-cvm and roadster build |
| 21:12.03 | koen | ~lart mysql for needing external binaries to link |
| 21:12.40 | cmarqu | Yo. More screenshots in the "Friends" gallery by Alan Horkan. |
| 21:13.33 | florian | heh |
| 21:13.38 | florian | hey cmarqu |
| 21:13.48 | cmarqu | Hi florian, hi guys |
| 21:14.43 | koen | hey cmarqu |
| 21:18.09 | koen | oooh |
| 21:18.11 | koen | games |
| 21:20.13 | florian | that reminds me that i still have these background images on my machine at university... |
| 21:20.40 | cmarqu | koen: Alan says these are only via xnest though. Gnome games. |
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| 21:21.33 | Cwiiis | cmarqu: I plan on porting a few gnome games, when I have the time - primarily ailseriot |
| 21:22.02 | ||cw | if I set /etc/sysconfig/gpelogin to autologin and specify a user and home dir it still uses root |
| 21:22.05 | cmarqu | Cwiiis: Cool |
| 21:22.48 | ||cw | problem is dropbear sshd's publickey auth doens't work with root, only the user, and I need this to use gpe-sync |
| 21:22.53 | ||cw | is there a work around? |
| 21:23.22 | ||cw | though, in what little docs dropbear has, it looks like root public key auth should work, it just isn't |
| 21:23.54 | florian | eh... that's nasty+ |
| 21:24.46 | florian | i wonder why autologin logs in as root :-/ |
| 21:27.20 | ||cw | damned i hate vi |
| 21:31.15 | koen | vi is great |
| 21:31.20 | koen | but vim is greater |
| 21:32.46 | Philippe | koen, seems you never had to work with an old HP-UX vi.... |
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| 21:33.28 | koen | Philippe: only because I don't have the root password on my hp apollo |
| 21:33.30 | koen | hey Hallski |
| 21:33.35 | Hallski | hi |
| 21:33.39 | koen | Hallski: nice work on gnome-vfs-dbus |
| 21:35.03 | Hallski | ¨thanks |
| 21:35.03 | cmarqu | "Terminal too wide"... |
| 21:35.17 | Hallski | just put a wiki page up for it |
| 21:35.18 | Hallski | http://developer.imendio.com/wiki/GnomeVFS_D-BUS |
| 21:35.33 | florian | Hallski: i'll try to build it with oe :-) |
| 21:35.34 | Philippe | koen, Root?Shouldn't be hard, on the HP-UX box at school it was just DES and no shadow passwords.... It took about 3 hours of brute force. |
| 21:35.44 | florian | *gg* |
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| 21:36.03 | Hallski | florian: as long as you don't send me emails if it doesn't work I'm happy :) |
| 21:36.29 | florian | Hallski: hehe i'll try to fix it myself first :-) |
| 21:36.51 | koen | oooh |
| 21:36.57 | koen | the wiki even mentions GPE |
| 21:37.16 | Hallski | well, you did intend to use it, right? :) |
| 21:38.23 | florian | yeah! |
| 21:39.17 | florian | Hallski: That one is using gconf-dbus on my ipaq... http://handhelds.org/scap/port.22007.png |
| 21:40.52 | Hallski | the screenshot didn't say to much but nice that you are using it |
| 21:41.03 | Hallski | should put up a page about that too |
| 21:41.55 | florian | Hallski: yes right... but i just created it and thought it would be nice to show :-) |
| 21:42.36 | Cwiiis | florian: Shouldn't the screenshots of the gnome apps on the friends page mention that they're not being run on the PDA? Bit of a cheat :p hehe |
| 21:43.33 | florian | Cwiiis: well... in fact they would run on it. I saw some of them on the netbook which is a better pda. |
| 21:43.37 | Cwiiis | ooh, gnome-vfs-dbus? :D |
| 21:43.51 | Cwiiis | florian: They would yes, but still a bit of a cheat :) |
| 21:44.29 | cmarqu | Maybe I should say that these are Gnome apps... but maybe everyone can see that on his own |
| 21:45.38 | Cwiiis | cmarqu: Not KDE users who've never experienced the wonders of Gnome :) |
| 21:45.48 | cmarqu | True. Hmm. |
| 21:46.01 | Cwiiis | Just a little misleading I think, it makes it look like these games are available easily using a gpe-based distro image |
| 21:46.20 | Cwiiis | (when they aren't, as you'd have to install a truck-load of deps, assuming they're even in the feeds at all) |
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| 21:46.38 | cmarqu | How could we say this in a few words? |
| 21:46.58 | Cwiiis | cmarqu: 'Gnome application running on a remote computer'? |
| 21:47.29 | Cwiiis | Although those aren't even running on a remote computer are they? They're via Xnest... |
| 21:47.36 | cmarqu | Right. |
| 21:47.46 | cmarqu | But that doesn't really matter. |
| 21:47.47 | florian | heh... someone just stole one screenshot! |
| 21:47.53 | Cwiiis | Which pretty much makes them pointless being in a gpe gallery... |
| 21:47.59 | koen | florian: no I reorderd it |
| 21:48.09 | koen | it's next to the other gpsdrive screenies |
| 21:48.11 | Cwiiis | They'd be more suited on matchbox's screenshots page or something :p |
| 21:48.16 | florian | ah cool |
| 21:48.42 | cmarqu | Cwiiis: Yeah, thought about that too. But then, that gallery is called "Friends"... |
| 21:49.01 | florian | okay, i'll add some application screenshots now... |
| 21:49.03 | koen | florian: I try to keep scaps of the same app together |
| 21:49.20 | florian | koen: yeah thats good! |
| 21:49.24 | cmarqu | "Screenshots of 'normal' apps running under the GPE platform" - okay, they don't belong there. |
| 21:49.37 | Cwiiis | mm |
| 21:50.07 | Cwiiis | I'll try and port some of those over in the near future anyway, can have them in the gpe applications section even :) |
| 21:52.55 | cmarqu | Would it be too much if we had a new category like "Non-GPE applications on small screens"? |
| 21:53.38 | koen | that's the friends section |
| 21:54.11 | cmarqu | koen: Ah, "running under the GPE platform" doesn't mean the apps have anything to do with the GPE libs? |
| 21:54.26 | koen | not really |
| 21:54.42 | koen | you have gpe running on your pda and you start that app |
| 21:55.05 | koen | you could even stick a scap of konqueror in there |
| 21:55.24 | cmarqu | GPE doesn't even show up in there screenshots, right. |
| 21:55.35 | koen | has anyone tested mythtv on a pda yet? |
| 21:55.43 | cmarqu | So those Gnome games are not too foreign then. |
| 21:55.59 | koen | not really |
| 21:56.17 | koen | the only requisite is that the app runs on the device making the scap |
| 21:56.38 | cmarqu | That rules them out then. |
| 21:58.35 | ||cw | how can I get a mouse pointer of some sort on gpe using x2x? |
| 22:02.16 | florian | Okay... we have some more friends and application screenshots now :-) |
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| 22:16.17 | florian | an some more... |
| 22:17.24 | florian | s/an/and |
| 22:17.42 | koen | nice |
| 22:49.08 | Philippe | goodnight people |
| 22:50.44 | florian | Philippe: night |
| 22:59.13 | florian | good night all |
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| 23:11.03 | bedboi | hi there |
| 23:12.31 | koen | hey bedboi |
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| 23:12.49 | bedboi | koen: any news? |
| 23:13.03 | neko | anyone here able to help with using minimo? |
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| 23:17.01 | Cwiiis | neko: What's the problem? |
| 23:17.41 | reenoo|afk | 'night all |
| 23:17.41 | neko | first problem I've found is that I can't find a way to scroll |
| 23:17.45 | koen | Cwiiis: didn't you have a blog somewhere? |
| 23:17.50 | koen | neko: keypad? |
| 23:18.15 | Cwiiis | koen: I have a personal blog and a website, why? |
| 23:18.23 | Cwiiis | neko: Yes, arrow-keys scroll |
| 23:18.34 | neko | that works - i'm not uses to using those buttons |
| 23:19.07 | Cwiiis | neko: I've filed a bug about the scrollbar, we'll just have to wait and see |
| 23:19.17 | neko | the other problem is that I can't persuade it to save links |
| 23:19.22 | koen | Cwiiis: just indexing all handheld related peoples' blogs |
| 23:19.43 | koen | hoping for a planet.handhelds.org |
| 23:19.52 | neko | I'm trying to save an mp3 and it comes up with an error of not being able to save the tmp file |
| 23:19.53 | Cwiiis | koen: ah - http://www.chrislord.net/ |
| 23:20.26 | neko | rather, it's saying it can't save because the tmp file can't be read |
| 23:20.40 | Cwiiis | neko: What's the exact error message? |
| 23:21.23 | neko | "/tmp/3une3o8y.mp3 could not be saved, because the source file could not be read." |
| 23:21.44 | koen | Cwiiis: I see the homepage, but not a blog |
| 23:22.18 | Cwiiis | koen: Planning on turning it into a blog in the near future |
| 23:22.50 | neko | i've had several people connect to the file from desktops across the internet, so it looks like a problem with minimo |
| 23:22.52 | Cwiiis | koen: My personal blog doesn't really have much on development and I share it with two other people |
| 23:23.27 | Cwiiis | neko: I'll just check if file-saving works for me - How big is the file, out of interest? And what distro are you using? |
| 23:23.29 | bedboi | going to sleep |
| 23:23.51 | koen | 'night bedboi |
| 23:23.51 | bedboi | thnx :) |
| 23:23.58 | bedboi | see you tomorrow |
| 23:23.59 | bedboi | bye |
| 23:24.29 | neko | 7.1MB, hosted on MDK 10.1community |
| 23:24.47 | Cwiiis | neko: It might just be too big - /tmp is in ram and minimo eats up a lot of ram |
| 23:25.02 | neko | ah, that may be it then |
| 23:25.23 | Cwiiis | neko: File a bug |
| 23:25.42 | Cwiiis | Saving to /tmp first is broken behaviour for memory-constricted devices |
| 23:26.04 | neko | can you recommend any ftp clients for gpe? |
| 23:26.07 | Cwiiis | neko: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org |
| 23:26.10 | Cwiiis | neko: gpe-filemanager |
| 23:26.18 | neko | thanks |
| 23:26.25 | koen | Cwiiis: with the extra plugin of course |
| 23:26.27 | Cwiiis | neko: install the gnome-vfs-plugin-ftp and you can connect to ftp sites :) |
| 23:30.26 | neko | I can see I'm going to have to start trimming out programs at this rate ;o) |
| 23:34.34 | koen | Cwiiis: gxine builds still fails on alsa automake stuff |
| 23:34.47 | koen | | src/audio_out/Makefile.am:13: HAVE_ALSA does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL |
| 23:34.53 | neko | wierd, I can't find either gpe-filemanager or gnome-vfs-plugin-ftp in Package Manager |
| 23:36.03 | Cwiiis | koen: Is that gxine or libxine failing to build..? |
| 23:36.12 | koen | ehm |
| 23:36.17 | koen | libxine, sorry |
| 23:36.21 | Cwiiis | :) |
| 23:36.22 | koen | (oz353 build) |
| 23:37.23 | Cwiiis | koen: Try with --disable-alsa-test added to the OECONF |
| 23:38.52 | koen | does that still build with alsa support? |
| 23:39.55 | Cwiiis | koen: It already has --disable-alsa :p hehe |
| 23:40.13 | Cwiiis | koen: imo, it's only important it builds with esd support |
| 23:41.03 | koen | hmm |
| 23:41.10 | koen | alsa makes esd obsolete |
| 23:41.26 | koen | since it supports multiple accesses to the sound hw |
| 23:41.49 | Cwiiis | But alsa sound isn't implemented on all PDAs yet |
| 23:42.15 | Cwiiis | If you can fix the alsa output plugin building, that'd be great though :) |
| 23:42.21 | koen | on all ipaqs it is |
| 23:42.45 | koen | and RP will alsa-fy the 2.6 kernels soon for the clamshells |
| 23:43.00 | koen | the jornadas will have also too |
| 23:43.03 | Cwiiis | Just leaving the poor collie :( |
| 23:43.10 | koen | that leaves collie, poodle and simpad |
| 23:43.10 | Cwiiis | and poodle perhaps |
| 23:43.26 | koen | nad tosa, spitz and akita |
| 23:43.31 | koen | s/nad/and/ |
| 23:43.44 | Cwiiis | When someone donates an alsa-supported pda to me, I'll empathise with you more :) |
| 23:45.35 | neko | last thing I've just noticed: I can only see the part of the clock before the : - the rest is off screen |
| 23:45.42 | neko | anyone come across that yet? |
| 23:46.21 | Cwiiis | neko: It should update when the time changes - I use the matchbox clock applet myself, which looks nicer and doesn't have that problem (but you can't set alarms from it) |
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| 23:48.59 | neko | switching between 12hr and 24hr modes fixed it |
| 23:54.58 | Cwiiis | neko: Did you report that minimo bug? |
| 23:55.28 | neko | not yet - I have it noted for me to do first thing tomorrow though |
| 23:56.17 | neko | toothache and it being past when I should be asleep will probably not put me in the best of moods for trying to tackle a bug report system atm ;o) |
| 23:58.43 | neko | night all |
