| 00:02.09 | reenoo | 'night all |
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| 00:03.49 | pigeon | oh no |
| 00:04.01 | pigeon | it almost feels like bash is broken... |
| 00:05.51 | pigeon | my bash prompt which used to work on under bash/familiar doesn't work anymore |
| 00:11.11 | pigeon | or perhaps my prompt doesn't work in bash3 :( |
| 00:16.54 | pigeon | hmm i have 292 dbus-daemon-1 processes running on my ipaq now |
| 00:19.22 | pigeon | hmm dbus-daemon seems screwed |
| 00:19.27 | pigeon | keep forking |
| 00:29.20 | pigeon | gpe-dm somehow keeps causing dbus-daemon-1 to keep forking |
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| 03:54.00 | Nosklo_ | okay i just upgraded my x to unstable |
| 03:54.20 | Nosklo_ | how does one fix the issue about the power button not turning the ipaq off???? |
| 03:54.30 | Nosklo_ | it is annoying! |
| 03:55.33 | pigeon | would that be keylaunch not running/working? |
| 04:01.57 | Nosklo_ | pigeon: i dont think so, the other buttons work |
| 04:02.02 | Nosklo_ | pigeon: calendar and such |
| 04:02.16 | pigeon | hmm... so if you run apm -s or apm --suspend manually it doesn't work? |
| 04:02.43 | Nosklo_ | pigeon: will try it. wait |
| 04:03.41 | Nosklo_ | pigeon: worked out |
| 04:04.18 | Nosklo_ | pigeon: strange |
| 04:04.23 | pigeon | indeed |
| 04:04.51 | Nosklo_ | pigeon: so maybe it is something about the keycode? it seems to select an icon in the desktop when i press the button... |
| 04:05.21 | pigeon | hmm, i'm not sure... |
| 04:06.14 | Nosklo_ | how do i check the keylaunch? |
| 04:06.49 | Nosklo_ | how is the keylaunch binary called? where is its configuration? |
| 04:07.43 | pigeon | keylaunch should be started by some X session startup script somewhere |
| 04:07.49 | pigeon | its config is at /etc/keylaunchrc |
| 04:38.14 | Nosklo_ | only the contact button is working right now |
| 04:39.16 | Nosklo_ | do you think someone is messing with the key codes? hmmm.. |
| 04:40.57 | Nosklo_ | made lots of tests |
| 04:43.24 | Nosklo_ | will keep the calendar button powering down for now |
| 04:50.05 | pigeon | what ipaq do you have btw? |
| 04:59.23 | Nosklo_ | h3670 |
| 05:01.24 | Nosklo_ | sux huh? |
| 05:01.39 | pigeon | not really |
| 05:01.51 | pigeon | i still have two 3630 |
| 05:02.02 | Nosklo_ | 16mb rom sure is frustating |
| 05:05.42 | pigeon | i also just realized some joypad problem. |
| 05:06.41 | Nosklo_ | hmm just checked. my joypad is fine |
| 05:07.25 | Nosklo_ | is english your home lang? i am trying to make some lang show up into gpe-dm menu and it doesnt work either |
| 05:09.37 | pigeon | hmm i'm actually chinese... but english is my primary language now... |
| 05:09.58 | pigeon | well, my joypad works, until i rotate X, and even with xmodmap it's not correcting things. |
| 05:10.15 | pigeon | not to mention those xmodmap files for different orientations are all missing in fam 0.8.1 |
| 05:10.31 | Nosklo_ | it happens here too |
| 05:10.45 | Nosklo_ | if i rotate it keeps the same behavior as if i hadnt rotated |
| 05:10.50 | pigeon | yeah |
| 05:11.05 | pigeon | i've just tried running xmodmap myself, but it didn't help. |
| 05:11.13 | pigeon | i suspect there are really key code changes somehow. |
| 05:13.21 | pigeon | hmm, keycodes seem to be the same |
| 05:13.29 | Nosklo_ | pigeon: do you happen to know where gpe-dm keeps the locale list? mine has only english as a choice, but i have installed my locale already.. |
| 05:13.51 | pigeon | hmm no idea, sorry. |
| 05:15.12 | pigeon | err... wtf... |
| 05:15.37 | Nosklo_ | is there any piece of software to return keycodes pressed? |
| 05:17.50 | pigeon | ok, it's actually all working (the rotation keypad change), but just somehow rxvt is not picking the change, i needed to restart rxvt. |
| 05:18.11 | pigeon | Nosklo_: there used to be xev in familiar, but they vanished in 0.8 it seems |
| 05:19.43 | pigeon | hmm |
| 05:19.57 | pigeon | everytime i restart gpe-dm, it keeps launching another dbus daemon |
| 05:25.07 | Nosklo_ | hey |
| 05:25.15 | Nosklo_ | i have lots of dbus-daemon running too |
| 05:25.20 | pigeon | yeah |
| 05:25.36 | pigeon | the Xsession script not working very well |
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| 05:54.58 | Nosklo_ | pigeon: :) what now? |
| 05:55.31 | pigeon | # df |
| 05:55.37 | pigeon | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 05:55.43 | pigeon | /dev/root 32256 23244 9012 72% / |
| 05:55.47 | pigeon | but # df / |
| 05:55.53 | pigeon | shows nothing |
| 05:56.01 | pigeon | like df /var works |
| 06:00.29 | pigeon | seems to be a busybox df bug |
| 06:13.02 | Nosklo_ | hey |
| 06:13.14 | Nosklo_ | pigeon: you have 32Mb rom right? |
| 06:13.38 | pigeon | this is 3870, yes. |
| 06:13.44 | Nosklo_ | pigeon: oh :) |
| 06:14.24 | Nosklo_ | pigeon: 3670 sux.. got so much trouble to upgrade stuff |
| 06:14.33 | Nosklo_ | pigeon: no space |
| 06:14.35 | pigeon | yeah |
| 06:15.38 | pigeon | maybe you want to read http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/FamiliarSlimDownHowto |
| 06:17.04 | Nosklo_ | pigeon: i did |
| 06:17.11 | pigeon | ah |
| 06:17.23 | Nosklo_ | pigeon: uninstalled everything there, with force-depends |
| 06:17.39 | Nosklo_ | pigeon: got 2mb free |
| 06:18.01 | pigeon | get a cf plus sleeve :) |
| 06:19.02 | Nosklo_ | pigeon: yup i got one. lots of trouble tho. first, it is vfat, and i dont have a reader at my desktop, so i couldnt install mkfs.ext2 to make an e2fs on it. the solution: made a loopback device |
| 06:19.16 | Nosklo_ | pigeon: then i had to patch ipkg-link to work with the new location |
| 06:19.23 | pigeon | ah |
| 06:20.05 | Nosklo_ | pigeon: and i still have trouble upgrading stuff, so i made a small script to fetch packages to upgrade and run ipkg install on them one by one |
| 06:20.49 | pigeon | yeah, i remember even in the old days (fam 0.5 0.6 0.7 maybe), ipkg upgrade on a 36xx is usually a bad thing to do. |
| 06:21.08 | Nosklo_ | if you go one by one it is fine |
| 06:21.16 | Nosklo_ | had to reflash many times to find out this tho |
| 06:21.24 | pigeon | I have to run ipkg upgrade with the dry run option, get a list of things it's going to upgrade, then do it manually. |
| 06:21.39 | Nosklo_ | thats what my script does |
| 06:22.20 | pigeon | ah, sweet |
| 06:22.26 | Nosklo_ | i still have trouble with postinst dependences i.e. gstplugins postinst call gst-register which is not installed at root yet since i havent called ipkg-link |
| 06:24.58 | Nosklo_ | which app are you using to play mp3/ogg? |
| 06:25.23 | pigeon | i have mp3s mostly, and i use madplay :P |
| 06:25.54 | Nosklo_ | pigeon: cool |
| 06:26.23 | Nosklo_ | pigeon: lot of work to make a cool playlist script tho |
| 06:27.04 | pigeon | could be, i just use madplay -r -z <some path>/*.mp3 ;) |
| 06:32.34 | Nosklo_ | hmmm nethack package disappeared |
| 06:32.52 | Nosklo_ | ipkgfind finds it but when you click it says there is no package |
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| 09:53.36 | reenoo | morning |
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| 10:02.58 | luc_ | morning reenoo, pb_ |
| 10:03.38 | pb_ | luc_: good morning! |
| 10:05.02 | reenoo | morning luc_ |
| 10:05.08 | reenoo | hey pb_ |
| 10:05.53 | pb_ | hi reenoo |
| 10:07.45 | luc_ | I see locale packages have "locale" in package name in unstable feed |
| 10:08.03 | luc_ | where does it come from? build/Makefile does not add it |
| 10:09.17 | pb_ | luc_: the OE packaging code, probably. |
| 10:09.54 | pb_ | see classes/package.bbclass::package_do_split_locales() |
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| 10:10.58 | luc_ | pb_: Can a package find its locale package with or without "locale" ?" |
| 10:11.30 | pb_ | I'm not sure I understand the question. |
| 10:12.18 | pb_ | Can you give an example of what you're thinking about? |
| 10:12.20 | luc_ | if gpe-app-de_0.1.ipk and gpe-app-locale-de_0.1.ipk exists, which one is used? |
| 10:12.51 | pb_ | That's up to the Depends line in gpe-app-de.ipk. |
| 10:12.54 | pb_ | er, in gpe-app.ipk |
| 10:13.50 | luc_ | hmm... so OE packaged apps will look for gpe-app-locale-xx, and "hand" packaged will look for gpe-app-xx |
| 10:14.13 | pb_ | Possibly. Or they might both be interchangeable: I'm not sure exactly. |
| 10:14.59 | pb_ | OE-packaged apps will have a greedy dependency on "gpe-app-locale*", which is provided by gpe-app-locale-de and so on. I don't remember quite what the corresponding names were for hand-packaged applications. |
| 10:15.25 | pb_ | I have a vague feeling that the greedy depends name there might have been "gpe-app-translation*" or something. |
| 10:16.09 | luc_ | well OK, if we get complaints from our numberous international users, we will know where to look at ;) |
| 10:16.30 | pb_ | The exact name of the package with the locale files in (gpe-app-de vs gpe-app-locale-de) is not significant. Nothing looks for those packages by name, it's all done by the Depends/Provides stuff. |
| 10:16.33 | pb_ | heh, right |
| 10:19.11 | koen|tv | good morning all |
| 10:19.28 | reenoo | morning koen |
| 10:20.16 | luc_ | bbl |
| 10:20.20 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 10:28.56 | reenoo | hrm |
| 10:29.18 | reenoo | so with 2.6.11 power management still isn't working on my laptop :/ |
| 10:29.31 | koen | that sucks |
| 10:29.41 | koen | bbl |
| 10:39.04 | pigeon | hey pb_ |
| 10:44.12 | pb_ | pigeon: good evening |
| 10:44.50 | pigeon | hmm, what does the dbus session used for when it's called by familiar Xsession script? |
| 10:45.17 | pb_ | it starts the session bus. |
| 10:45.49 | pigeon | i realized, everytime gpe-dm is restarted (and hence X), it launches a new dbus session daemon. |
| 10:45.57 | pb_ | ah, yeah, that's a bug. |
| 10:46.11 | pb_ | the dbus-daemon ought to go away when the session ends, but that isn't happening for some reason/ |
| 10:46.19 | pigeon | ah |
| 10:46.40 | pb_ | afaik, dbus-launch should be taking care of that (assuming it's given the --exit-with-session flag), but it doesn't seem to be doing so. |
| 10:46.49 | pb_ | I haven't had time to debug it. Would you like to take a look? |
| 10:47.19 | pigeon | i have an alias for ls in my ~/.profile, and that cause the Xsession script not to work properly, and so X/gpe-dm keep starting and exiting, causing >200 dbus processes lying around :) |
| 10:47.57 | pigeon | maybe i can... |
| 10:48.40 | pb_ | heh |
| 10:56.18 | koen|afk | nick koen |
| 11:00.39 | pigeon | you have any idea why ipkg is soooo slow these days? |
| 11:00.58 | koen | big list files |
| 11:01.08 | pigeon | just that? |
| 11:01.35 | koen | 90% of the slowness is caused by that |
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| 12:38.49 | dc_ | afternoon |
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| 12:59.19 | pb_ | dc_: hey |
| 13:00.59 | dc_ | pb_: hey. you still got those 2.6 epia kernels around? |
| 13:01.09 | dc_ | I've reinstalled on my 120 drive. |
| 13:01.25 | pb_ | ah, cool |
| 13:01.32 | pb_ | I think they're still in my handhelds.org webspace somewhere. |
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| 13:39.24 | univac^ | hi |
| 13:42.32 | univac^ | i install gcc and i haven't gcc in bin and ./configure is failed |
| 13:42.39 | univac^ | in programs] |
| 13:51.32 | Nosklo_ | i think it is called arm-linux-gcc |
| 13:52.43 | Nosklo_ | ls |
| 13:52.45 | Nosklo_ | ops |
| 13:52.47 | Nosklo_ | :) |
| 13:54.55 | univac^ | hmm how can i install soft on my storgae card ? |
| 13:55.03 | univac^ | i install mplayer on card |
| 13:55.10 | univac^ | and i have on card opt etc usr |
| 13:55.16 | univac^ | and i linking it on / |
| 13:55.20 | univac^ | but it not work |
| 13:55.26 | univac^ | can't see librarie |
| 13:56.48 | univac^ | i cant install soft on card and run it with libraries from / |
| 13:56.49 | univac^ | :( |
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| 14:10.37 | bedboi | hi all |
| 14:11.38 | Nosklo_ | univac^: you use ipkg-link |
| 14:11.56 | Nosklo_ | bedboi: hi |
| 14:11.57 | bedboi | univac^: cool nick |
| 14:12.03 | bedboi | :) |
| 14:12.04 | univac^ | :) |
| 14:12.10 | univac^ | thanks |
| 14:12.26 | bedboi | hi there Nosklo_ |
| 14:12.31 | univac^ | Nosklo_: now i try, i link ln -s /etc /mnt/card/etc ..... |
| 14:12.38 | univac^ | and ipkg -d card install mplayer |
| 14:13.08 | Nosklo_ | univac^: after installing in the card (i.e. ipkg -d card install package) |
| 14:13.18 | Nosklo_ | univac^: you go ipkg-link add package |
| 14:13.27 | Nosklo_ | univac^: or ipkg-link mount /mnt/card |
| 14:13.32 | Nosklo_ | univac^: to add all packages of that card |
| 14:13.50 | univac^ | how can i use it? |
| 14:13.58 | univac^ | i must install mplayer on /mnt/card |
| 14:14.08 | univac^ | in ipkg.conf i have |
| 14:14.14 | univac^ | dest card /mnt/card |
| 14:14.40 | Nosklo_ | univac^: you go ipkg -d card install mplayer |
| 14:14.52 | Nosklo_ | univac^: when its finished you can type ipkg-link add mplayer |
| 14:15.11 | univac^ | ahh thanks |
| 14:15.17 | univac^ | and whats with depends? |
| 14:15.21 | univac^ | i must add all depoends? |
| 14:15.26 | univac^ | with ipkg-link? |
| 14:15.32 | Nosklo_ | univac^: but if mplayer installs dependencies, you may type ipkg-link mount /mnt/card |
| 14:15.46 | Nosklo_ | univac^: that "mount" command will add ALL packages from /mnt/card |
| 14:16.05 | univac^ | wait, i must remove all symlink from card |
| 14:17.29 | univac^ | ok i remove all from card, and run ipkg -d card install mplayer |
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| 14:19.14 | univac^ | hmm in 0.8.1(familiar) in default conf usb dont work |
| 14:20.12 | bedboi | usbnet? |
| 14:20.38 | univac^ | yes |
| 14:20.51 | univac^ | usb.usermap is clean |
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| 15:11.52 | univac^ | i must build irda for ipaq |
| 15:11.57 | univac^ | ;> |
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| 15:26.48 | univac^ | xmms works with gpe? |
| 15:30.54 | univac^ | hmm i install mplayer on card |
| 15:30.55 | univac^ | run |
| 15:31.01 | univac^ | ipkg-link add mplayer |
| 15:31.09 | univac^ | ipkg-link mount /mnt/card |
| 15:31.14 | univac^ | mplayer |
| 15:31.34 | univac^ | error while loading shared libraries libqpe.so.1 |
| 15:31.48 | univac^ | but i have it in /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqpe.so.1 |
| 15:31.53 | univac^ | whats wrong ? |
| 16:02.09 | pb_ | you're trying to run an opie program. |
| 16:11.26 | univac^ | i have gpe, but i heard mplayer run on opie |
| 16:11.30 | univac^ | on gpe* |
| 16:13.52 | univac^ | hmm i cant run icewm |
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| 18:22.35 | dc_ | pb_: where abouts in the hh.org sapce are they? |
| 18:22.50 | pb_ | dc_: in ~pb somewhere |
| 18:23.04 | dc_ | okay |
| 18:23.06 | pb_ | that directory has indexing turned on; look for a file with "epia" or "kernel" in the name. |
| 18:23.17 | dc_ | cool |
| 18:23.26 | dc_ | things keep oopsing the kernel |
| 18:23.32 | pb_ | oh dear |
| 18:23.35 | dc_ | I ran memtest86 and it looked okay. |
| 18:23.49 | dc_ | I guess that points to the mb/cpu then....? |
| 18:24.11 | pb_ | yah, or just a bad kernel |
| 18:24.49 | dc_ | all 3 kernels would have to be bad then |
| 18:24.53 | dc_ | possible though |
| 18:27.50 | dc_ | pb_: hrm. can you remember what patches you applied? |
| 18:28.45 | pb_ | to which one; 2.6.8.1 or 2.6.11? |
| 18:28.50 | dc_ | 11 |
| 18:28.53 | pb_ | none, afaik |
| 18:28.54 | pb_ | let me check |
| 18:29.19 | pb_ | ah, just the vt1211 sensor one. |
| 18:29.26 | pb_ | http://hem.bredband.net/ekmlar/patch-vt1211-2.6.txt |
| 18:29.26 | dc_ | ah I don't need that |
| 18:29.34 | dc_ | whati's it for? |
| 18:29.38 | pb_ | lm_sensors |
| 18:29.42 | dc_ | ah cool |
| 18:29.44 | dc_ | cheers |
| 18:55.27 | dc_ | pb_: um I can't find the kernel tars anywhere.. |
| 18:55.30 | dc_ | 11 or 8.1 |
| 18:56.04 | pb_ | http://handhelds.org/~pb/linux-epia-2.6.8.1.tar |
| 18:56.07 | pb_ | http://handhelds.org/~pb/linux-epia-2.6.11.tar |
| 18:56.13 | dc_ | ah doh/ |
| 18:56.19 | pb_ | those are the ones you need |
| 18:56.19 | dc_ | guess I should try .11? |
| 18:56.24 | pb_ | yah, I guess so |
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| 19:38.51 | dc_ | pb_: arg, what's the /dev manager I should use again? |
| 19:40.07 | dc_ | udev ah :) |
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| 21:23.12 | koen|tv | hey tigrux |
| 21:23.26 | tigrux | koen|tv: Guten abend master! |
| 21:24.21 | koen|tv | buena sera senor |
| 21:31.05 | koen|tv | tigrux: any word from miguel about gulev? |
| 21:31.31 | tigrux | koen|tv: No. :-( |
| 21:32.37 | koen|tv | ah well, we'll see |
| 21:33.18 | koen|tv | november is still faaaaaaar away :) |
| 21:45.06 | reenoo | gulev? |
| 21:45.48 | koen|tv | http://congreso.gulev.org.mx/ |
| 21:47.35 | reenoo | heh. I need to learn spanish it seems :) |
| 21:48.11 | koen|tv | no need -> http://world.altavista.com/babelfish/tr |
| 21:48.26 | koen|tv | it gives some pretty funny translations |
| 21:48.57 | reenoo | nah. also so I can talk to people in spanish and stuff. |
| 21:49.08 | koen|tv | yeah |
| 21:49.31 | koen|tv | anything past "cervesa por favor" |
| 21:49.43 | koen|tv | is too advanced fo me |
| 21:49.46 | koen|tv | aargh |
| 21:49.49 | koen|tv | for* |
| 21:50.21 | reenoo | my latin/english/french is good enough to decipher spanish websites as far as a basic idea of what they are about is concerned |
| 21:50.37 | koen|tv | heh |
| 21:50.52 | koen|tv | I only have latin an english to hold on to |
| 22:08.02 | dc_ | yay |
| 22:08.08 | dc_ | first hastle free mythtv setup |
| 22:10.05 | pb_ | yay |
| 22:17.49 | koen|tv | dc_: 0.17? |
| 22:30.14 | *** join/#gpe p0m (wodann@203-217-85-134.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 22:54.33 | koen|tv | luc_: I'll try to mail the book on tuesday |
| 22:56.41 | luc_ | koen|tv: :) |
| 22:57.43 | luc_ | koen|tv: feel free to add a personal inscription... from the OE master, never asleep :) or something like ;) |
| 22:58.08 | koen|tv | will do :) |
| 23:15.25 | koen|tv | luc_: Looks like I have to break my reputation :) |
| 23:15.30 | koen|tv | 'night all |
| 23:15.34 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:15.47 | pb_ | koen|sleep: good night |
| 23:16.19 | luc_ | koen|sleep: good night :) |
| 23:32.56 | dc_ | koen|sleep: yeah |