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| 10:16.52 | koen_ | good morning all |
| 10:16.57 | koen_ | hey pb_ |
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| 11:51.31 | arturaz | hi |
| 11:52.17 | arturaz | i have h3100 and just bootstrapped it with familiar 0.7.2, but there are very few gpe packages in ipkg. any extra repostory for graphics? |
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| 11:56.03 | reenoo | afternoon |
| 12:01.39 | arturaz | reenoo, hi |
| 12:04.23 | reenoo | hi arturaz |
| 12:04.27 | reenoo | brb |
| 12:07.47 | arturaz | i have h3100 and just bootstrapped it with familiar 0.7.2, but there are very few gpe packages in ipkg. any extra repostory for graphics? |
| 12:11.48 | reenoo | re |
| 12:12.49 | arturaz | reenoo, got any ideas? |
| 12:13.58 | reenoo | I'm not sure I understand the question. what do you mean by "extra repostory for graphics"? |
| 12:16.27 | arturaz | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.7.2/x/armv4l/ |
| 12:16.29 | arturaz | this one :) |
| 12:25.36 | dc_ | morning |
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| 13:23.50 | pb_ | hi dc_ |
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| 15:12.27 | Philippe | does anybody happen to know how I can adjust the size of the text under an icon? |
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| 15:43.17 | florian | hi all |
| 15:43.30 | koen | hey florian |
| 15:44.09 | koen | bleh |
| 15:44.31 | koen | It's ideal spring weather outside and I'm stuck doing an assignment |
| 15:47.14 | reenoo | heh. sounds familiar :( |
| 15:53.20 | koen | I did however manage to make a nice photo of an ant: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/Gallery/beestjes-adoorn2004/IMG_8577 |
| 16:02.14 | florian | koen: hmm yes, that's nice. What kind of lens did you use? |
| 16:03.17 | koen | 100mm macro + 500D close up lens |
| 16:04.39 | koen | which should give me 1,92:1 mangification |
| 16:05.14 | koen | magnification even |
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| 16:14.54 | Somez | re all |
| 16:15.58 | koen | hey Somez |
| 16:16.19 | Somez | hi koen |
| 16:17.02 | Somez | I've tried to install balsa, but there wasn't enough space for it, and now my flash has only 0.5mb free :-( |
| 16:17.18 | Somez | and I can't remove balsa, because it's not in the ipkg list |
| 16:17.24 | Somez | is there any way to solve this? |
| 16:21.26 | florian | ah that sucks... you need to remove the files manually. |
| 16:21.52 | florian | that happens if ipkg runs out of space installing something. |
| 16:23.27 | Somez | florian: ok, and where are the downloaded files are stored? |
| 16:24.22 | florian | Somez: in /tmp/ipkg-* directories |
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| 17:05.18 | arturaz | hey. do i need to do any configuration on familiars X? I get: gpe-dm: session pid 6538 exited with status 1 |
| 17:05.36 | florian | uh |
| 17:05.55 | florian | arturaz: usually not.... which image do you use on which device? |
| 17:06.11 | arturaz | i'm bootstrapping a 0.7.2 on h3100 |
| 17:06.20 | arturaz | and syslog is full of these |
| 17:06.21 | arturaz | dma period = 13023264 ps, clock = 206400 kHz |
| 17:07.13 | arturaz | and i just ipkg installed gpe-dm |
| 17:07.38 | arturaz | when it starts the X launches, i can move pointer around, but it restarts constantly with period of two seconds |
| 17:08.40 | arturaz | florian, you here? |
| 17:09.34 | florian | arturaz: hmm nasty. what happens if you start X manually from a console? |
| 17:09.47 | arturaz | how? like just running "X"? |
| 17:10.12 | florian | arturaz: Xfbdev or Xipaq it might be. |
| 17:10.40 | arturaz | Xfbdev is running ok |
| 17:11.16 | florian | okay... then try to run gpe-dm from a console. |
| 17:11.39 | arturaz | no output :) |
| 17:11.48 | arturaz | but it's flashing the screen cool :] |
| 17:12.00 | arturaz | maybe i'm missing some package? |
| 17:12.27 | arturaz | i just got to slimdownfaq in handhelds.org and installed all packages that were marked NEEDED |
| 17:13.38 | florian | ah right... do you have gpe-login? |
| 17:13.57 | arturaz | Cannot find package gpe-login. |
| 17:14.01 | arturaz | hmm :) |
| 17:14.18 | florian | oops |
| 17:14.19 | arturaz | /usr/X11R6/bin # cat /etc/ipkg/base.conf |
| 17:14.19 | arturaz | src base http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.7.2/base/armv4l |
| 17:14.19 | arturaz | src x http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.7.2/x/armv4l |
| 17:16.24 | arturaz | ideas? :) |
| 17:16.34 | arturaz | maybe some extra repo i'm missing? |
| 17:17.14 | florian | ah... the package is named gpe-login2 |
| 17:17.39 | arturaz | Package gpe-login2 (0.64) installed in root is up to date. |
| 17:18.31 | florian | hmm... there is a parameter to gpe-dm to make it stay on a terminal... try -d or -g |
| 17:20.09 | arturaz | it seems neither of these work |
| 17:20.15 | arturaz | neither do --help |
| 17:24.11 | arturaz | ideas? |
| 17:25.10 | florian | hrm... wait |
| 17:26.09 | florian | ah -n it is |
| 17:27.33 | arturaz | No fonts found; this probably means that the fontconfig |
| 17:27.36 | arturaz | heh :/ |
| 17:27.47 | arturaz | locale_get_files: could not stat!: No such file or directory |
| 17:27.47 | arturaz | /etc/gpe/locale.default: No such file or directory |
| 17:28.46 | florian | i think the first one is the critical issue... |
| 17:29.44 | arturaz | Installing libfontconfig1 (2.1-14) to root... |
| 17:29.46 | arturaz | hmm |
| 17:29.49 | arturaz | maybe that will help |
| 17:30.08 | arturaz | Package libfontconfig1 wants to install file /etc/fonts/fonts.conf |
| 17:30.08 | arturaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.30 | arturaz | maybe i should install vera fonts |
| 17:32.11 | arturaz | wee |
| 17:32.14 | arturaz | got it running :] |
| 17:32.20 | arturaz | just to fix those locale problems |
| 17:33.37 | florian | ah cool |
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| 17:37.06 | arturaz | thanks man :) |
| 17:37.07 | arturaz | hmm |
| 17:37.12 | arturaz | i've hidden the panel :] |
| 17:39.25 | arturaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.25 | arturaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.30 | arturaz | this doesn't look too good :/ |
| 17:48.47 | Somez | florian: you told me that the packages are located at /tmp, but there is only one file :-( |
| 17:51.39 | florian | Somez: hmmm right, but ipkg removes them after installing. |
| 17:52.15 | florian | arturaz: that's not really much... but no shared looks suspicious |
| 17:55.08 | Somez | florian: but it couldn't install balse because the disk went full :-8 |
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| 18:10.48 | koen | hey mallum |
| 18:11.35 | mallum | hey koen |
| 18:11.52 | mallum | finally got round to installing hoary on my laptop |
| 18:12.11 | koen | how's xorg treating you? |
| 18:12.12 | mallum | but much pain in getting things set up again how I like |
| 18:12.34 | mallum | xorg just worked strait of the bat, even got the 1400x1050 resolution right |
| 18:13.01 | mallum | its more things like keyshortcuts, geting the touchpad to feel like it used to etc |
| 18:13.12 | mallum | koen: yeah this is ati too |
| 18:14.33 | koen | is composite working for you? |
| 18:17.07 | mallum | nah I havn't enabled it |
| 18:17.13 | mallum | I only care about damage |
| 18:17.19 | mallum | atm |
| 18:17.35 | mallum | composite runs faster in Xephyr ;) |
| 18:17.40 | koen | heh |
| 18:18.01 | mallum | gnome-terminal seems a bit broke though :/ or the ununtu fonts are |
| 18:18.08 | mallum | they got the xcursor bug too |
| 18:18.12 | florian | hi mac2 |
| 18:18.16 | mallum | that was in gpe |
| 18:18.17 | florian | hrm |
| 18:18.19 | mallum | hey florian |
| 18:18.23 | florian | hi mallum |
| 18:18.31 | koen | gnome-terminal is a piece of crap |
| 18:18.33 | florian | Somez: hmmm strange |
| 18:18.35 | koen | Eterm rules |
| 18:19.06 | koen | (as soon as I find my config again) |
| 18:20.13 | mallum | koen: no tabs though right ? |
| 18:20.23 | koen | nope |
| 18:20.30 | mallum | I need tabs |
| 18:21.02 | koen | screen help whenever gnome-term decides to crash |
| 18:21.07 | koen | helps* |
| 18:21.38 | florian | heh |
| 18:21.53 | mallum | I use screen on server |
| 18:22.32 | mallum | better go get dinner on |
| 18:22.34 | mallum | bbiab |
| 18:22.37 | pb_ | heh. yeah, I am also doomed to use gnome-terminal because of tabs. |
| 18:22.46 | pb_ | someone should add tab support to rxvt or something. |
| 18:22.58 | koen | pb_: check the rxvt site |
| 18:23.20 | koen | someone did something with rxvt -embed |
| 18:23.30 | pb_ | the schmorp one? |
| 18:24.00 | Somez | koen: plz tell me how can I remove those packages wich were downloaded, but ipkg couldn't install them because of the low disk space :-() |
| 18:24.26 | pb_ | "And it's main missing features (which users request but are not (yet?) implemented) are: [...] Tabs" |
| 18:24.27 | pb_ | doh |
| 18:25.44 | koen | Tabs (although a supplied perl script implements a tabbed shell). (use mrxvt) |
| 18:30.57 | Somez | florian: it's strange, but I can't upload the new 0.8.2 snapshot to the bootloader because there isn't enough room for that :-) |
| 18:31.09 | Somez | is there anyway to fully clear the mtd1 block? |
| 18:34.53 | florian | Somez: no need to do this... did you try "load root"? |
| 18:34.57 | Somez | yes |
| 18:35.02 | Somez | but I couldn't upload the jffs |
| 18:35.06 | Somez | don't know why |
| 18:35.09 | Somez | tried with ymodem |
| 18:35.18 | florian | hmm strnage, that's the size of that file? |
| 18:35.46 | Somez | gpe-image-h3900-20050320044317.rootfs.jffs2 20-Mar-2005 00:33 21M |
| 18:36.03 | pb_ | what machine are you using? |
| 18:36.07 | Somez | h5550 |
| 18:36.17 | Somez | the previous snapshot loaded ok.. |
| 18:36.25 | pb_ | that should be fine then. the rootfs is 32MB on all h5000 series. |
| 18:36.34 | Somez | pb_: but it's full... |
| 18:36.36 | pb_ | what's the actual error that you get? |
| 18:36.37 | Somez | only 0.5mb left |
| 18:36.42 | pb_ | that's irrelevant |
| 18:36.53 | Somez | wait a sec, I try it again and tell you the error |
| 18:37.30 | florian | ~lart short scsi cables |
| 18:37.50 | Somez | damn :-)) |
| 18:37.53 | Somez | it's working now |
| 18:37.59 | florian | that sounds familiar ;-) |
| 18:38.01 | Somez | :DDDDDDD |
| 18:38.12 | Somez | sorry for bothering you guys |
| 18:38.19 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:53.09 | Somez | pb_, florian are you here for a sec? |
| 18:53.21 | florian | Somez: yes |
| 18:53.42 | Somez | you know the extra partition - suspend/resume I/O error bug, aren't you? |
| 18:53.57 | florian | Somez: i heared about it |
| 18:54.21 | Somez | don't you know who can fix this bug? |
| 18:54.36 | florian | Somez: no, sorry |
| 18:54.39 | Somez | because it's the most annoying one :-( |
| 18:54.57 | Somez | koen said the mtd people are responsible for this |
| 19:00.00 | arturaz | hmm. gpe is too heavy for my h3100. anything else with minimum memory usage? anyone got blackbox running? |
| 19:03.04 | florian | how much memory does the h3100 have? |
| 19:05.36 | arturaz | 16mb |
| 19:06.11 | florian | uh... that not really much. |
| 19:06.46 | arturaz | yeah |
| 19:06.55 | arturaz | bare terminal with 2 ssh sessions takes 12 mb :/ |
| 19:07.09 | arturaz | and with pppd |
| 19:14.07 | pb_ | yeah, the h3100 is really too small to run gpe |
| 19:15.07 | Somez | and it's enough ti run wince? :-) |
| 19:16.36 | Philippe | winCE is also much more limited :-) |
| 19:16.42 | pb_ | I don't think it can run modern versions of wince either. |
| 19:17.07 | pb_ | afaik, nothing beyond pocketpc 2000 was released for the h3100. |
| 19:17.20 | Somez | I was just kidding :-) |
| 19:17.51 | pb_ | but, yeah, wince does have a smaller RAM footprint, mostly because all its applications are executed in place from flash. |
| 19:18.21 | pb_ | under familiar, the flash contents is compressed, which means that you can store more data in the device but it uses more RAM at runtime. |
| 19:18.37 | Somez | pb_: can you tell me why familiar is not using the RAM to save applications, like Wince does? |
| 19:18.45 | pb_ | Somez: it can do. |
| 19:18.51 | Somez | hmm |
| 19:19.00 | Somez | maybe I misunderstand something |
| 19:19.13 | arturaz | hmm |
| 19:19.16 | arturaz | any hope for me? |
| 19:19.21 | Somez | as far as I know familiar uses the flash rom to store all the data |
| 19:19.24 | Somez | like a hard disk |
| 19:19.32 | Somez | and ram is like the system ram in a PC |
| 19:19.33 | arturaz | because only other project i've found is eCos, and it's docs are totally wicked |
| 19:19.44 | pb_ | Somez: it is up to you where you save your data. |
| 19:19.51 | pb_ | if you put it in /media/ramfs, it will be stored in ram. |
| 19:20.00 | pb_ | if you put it in /home, it will be stored in flash/ |
| 19:20.28 | Somez | pb_: that's ok, but I'm talking about something different |
| 19:20.43 | pb_ | okay, what are you talking about? |
| 19:20.45 | Somez | like in wince, the OS is stored in the flash, and all other content are stored in ram |
| 19:20.51 | Somez | by default |
| 19:21.03 | Somez | and ram is used by running applications too |
| 19:21.08 | Somez | at the same time |
| 19:21.09 | pb_ | so you want the default data location to be /media/ramfs? |
| 19:21.15 | Somez | no I don't :-) |
| 19:21.20 | Somez | using flash is a lot more secure |
| 19:21.27 | Somez | I'm just wondering about this decision |
| 19:21.41 | Somez | why do familiar people choose a different method for their system |
| 19:22.10 | Somez | newest snapshot is booting :-) |
| 19:22.17 | arturaz | crap |
| 19:22.32 | arturaz | could anyone take attention at me? |
| 19:22.49 | pb_ | arturaz: I think there is not a great deal of hope for you. |
| 19:22.50 | arturaz | i'm just trying to get this Q answered: is there any hope for me? |
| 19:22.57 | arturaz | sweet, crap |
| 19:23.23 | pb_ | I think your best option is to throw the h3100 away and buy an h3700 or something from ebay. |
| 19:23.33 | Somez | or a h5550 |
| 19:23.43 | pb_ | or that, but they are significantly more expensive |
| 19:23.44 | Somez | it's currently the best supported device |
| 19:23.55 | florian | no |
| 19:23.58 | koen | the 3870 is |
| 19:23.59 | Somez | hm? |
| 19:24.03 | pb_ | no, that's not correct. h3700/h3800 are generally better supported than h5500. |
| 19:24.05 | florian | that's the 3870 |
| 19:24.06 | Somez | I check that :-) |
| 19:24.17 | Somez | I mean the hardware specs |
| 19:24.23 | pb_ | eh? |
| 19:24.58 | arturaz | hmm |
| 19:25.12 | arturaz | any way to find out how much each program hogs memory? |
| 19:25.34 | pb_ | not with 100% accuracy, but "ps" will give you some idea. |
| 19:25.46 | arturaz | vmsize? |
| 19:25.52 | pb_ | right |
| 19:36.46 | Somez | funny |
| 19:36.54 | Somez | there are 4 wlan routers in my area :-) |
| 19:37.00 | Somez | I see them with my ipaq |
| 19:37.14 | florian | :-) |
| 19:37.35 | Somez | and I'n living in a house not in a flat :-) |
| 19:37.49 | Somez | so my neighboors must be using very good APs :-) |
| 19:38.52 | florian | I discovered an AP from my motheres house which is very nice because i only have a modem there :-) |
| 19:39.02 | Somez | :-) |
| 19:39.18 | Somez | florian: I don't know I can use these APs for internet.. |
| 19:39.25 | Somez | but I won't try it :-) |
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| 21:44.44 | florian | hmm... i wonder if the i/o performace of my libretto is enough for a nfs homedir server. |
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| 21:50.02 | florian | good night |
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