| 00:02.37 | reenoo | 'night all |
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| 01:09.31 | rob_ | hi all |
| 01:10.17 | rob_ | anybody running gpsdrive currently .. i need help getting maps ,, icannot download them anymore but i urgently need them |
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| 05:01.59 | Spigget | I've been trying to see if anyone is trying to port linux to the hp ipaq rx3715 |
| 05:02.38 | Spigget | I would try, except I am fairly new to linux and I have very little programming knowledge |
| 05:03.07 | Spigget | . |
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| 06:01.58 | jjg | hi |
| 06:02.09 | jjg | wanted to say i'm impressed with improvements in 2.6 |
| 06:02.15 | jjg | really |
| 06:02.18 | jjg | good work |
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| 08:52.01 | koen | good morning all |
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| 09:35.36 | koen | quick! hide the blue hand logo! mallum is coming |
| 09:38.23 | mallum | hehe |
| 09:39.10 | koen | good morning mallum |
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| 09:48.25 | mallum | koen: go fight the oe people or something |
| 10:08.29 | koen | bbl |
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| 10:11.39 | florian_kc | hi all |
| 10:12.37 | mallum | hey florian_kc |
| 10:14.16 | florian_kc | *yawn* |
| 10:16.27 | mallum | :) |
| 10:16.40 | mallum | see anything interesting there ? |
| 10:18.09 | Tonyx | cebit surviced florian_kc |
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| 10:20.24 | pb_ | florian_kc: congratulatins! |
| 10:20.29 | pb_ | congratulations, too |
| 10:21.47 | Cwiiis[uni] | Morning all |
| 10:22.19 | mallum | hey Cwiiis[uni] |
| 10:27.30 | florian_kc | mallum: hmm... not that much... pb_ ;-) |
| 10:27.46 | florian_kc | Tonyx: :-) |
| 10:28.21 | Cwiiis[uni] | The Java API is terrible with huge images... |
| 10:33.30 | Cwiiis[uni] | heh, off again - bbl |
| 10:56.39 | koen | re |
| 10:56.47 | koen | hey florian_kc & Tonyx |
| 10:57.44 | Tonyx | hey hey hey |
| 10:59.23 | florian_kc | koen: hi |
| 11:00.15 | mallum | Tonyx: are you the brother of TinyX ? |
| 11:03.05 | Tonyx | :D |
| 11:05.41 | florian_kc | *g* |
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| 11:19.32 | reenoo | morning |
| 11:19.42 | koen | florian_kc: can you point nils to http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPERoadmap when he get's back? |
| 11:19.45 | koen | het reenoo |
| 11:19.50 | koen | hey* |
| 11:20.18 | reenoo | hi koen |
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| 11:31.40 | florian_kc | koen: ok |
| 11:52.28 | mallum | florian_kc: with docs in headers :) ? |
| 11:56.37 | florian_kc | mallum: that's in the same category autotools is in ;-) |
| 11:58.09 | mallum | florian_kc: *sigh* |
| 11:59.15 | florian_kc | ~herring mallum |
| 11:59.17 | ibot | ACTION whacks mallum on the side of the head with a large red herring named alfred |
| 11:59.46 | mallum | ~clue florian |
| 11:59.48 | ibot | ACTION fans out Vegas-style a stack of clues for florian "Pick one, any one! ...and don't show it to me." |
| 12:00.42 | florian_kc | heh.. is there a manual for this bot?! |
| 12:02.39 | mallum | florian_kc: pleeeeeeeeeeese put docs in headers |
| 12:02.46 | mallum | florian_kc: it really is insane not to do so |
| 12:02.54 | mallum | florian_kc: even pb_ agreed |
| 12:03.26 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 12:03.27 | mallum | florian_kc: if the docs go out of sync they are less than useless |
| 12:03.48 | mallum | florian_kc: putting them in the headers makes it harder for that to happen |
| 12:15.00 | pb_ | heh |
| 12:15.07 | pb_ | much as I hate to admit it, I do agree with mallum. |
| 12:15.17 | pb_ | although I would prefer the documentation in the source files, not the headers. |
| 12:15.22 | florian_kc | hehe |
| 12:15.53 | florian_kc | hm right, that would be an option to think about. |
| 12:16.25 | florian_kc | Is GtkGpePixmap used in libgpewidget itself? |
| 12:17.21 | pb_ | no. in fact, I don't think that structure is used at all anymore. |
| 12:17.31 | florian_kc | good |
| 12:17.36 | reenoo | florian_kc: what are you using to generate those html docs? |
| 12:17.55 | florian_kc | reenoo: gtk-doc |
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| 12:18.18 | florian_kc | reenoo: it sucks but it is easy to use and the results are nice. |
| 12:18.19 | pb_ | render.c used it at one point, but that code was removed long ago. |
| 12:22.54 | reenoo | florian_kc: well.. that implies that the docs are in the source code, doesn't it? |
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| 12:23.38 | reenoo | florian_kc: also, I wouldn't say gtk-doc sucks, but that may be because I'm used to javadoc and haddock |
| 12:24.46 | florian_kc | reenoo: no - the docs may be in source or external files. |
| 12:25.53 | reenoo | external files don't make sense to me either |
| 12:29.34 | florian_kc | okok |
| 12:31.34 | mallum | pb_: you always agree with me eventually ;) |
| 12:34.00 | mallum | its nice to have docs in headers and its easy to ref them if you live in emacs when developing ( with just headers installed ) but useful in source too for people actually hacking the lib itself |
| 12:46.58 | reenoo | ~stab kdrive |
| 12:47.09 | ibot | ACTION runs at kdrive with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 12:48.21 | mallum | reenoo: :( |
| 12:48.25 | mallum | reenoo: whats up ? |
| 12:49.19 | reenoo | it fails to link here. I guess I'm missing one of koen|lunch's hacks to make it build |
| 12:49.39 | reenoo | | epson13806stub.o(.text+0x60): In function `InitInput': |
| 12:49.39 | reenoo | | epson13806stub.c: undefined reference to `KdInitTouchScreen' |
| 12:49.58 | florian_kc | :-( |
| 12:50.14 | koen | re |
| 12:50.25 | koen | reenoo: remove epson from SUBDIRS |
| 12:52.11 | koen | florian_kc: I know, that's why I haven't pushed a patch for that |
| 12:52.11 | reenoo | koen: well.. I'd like to have a fix in OE for this. and the epson stuff is used |
| 12:52.17 | reenoo | right |
| 12:53.11 | mallum | reenoo: my guess to fix would be |
| 12:53.32 | mallum | reenoo: add @KDRIVE_LIBS@ to Xepson_LDADD in Makefile.am |
| 12:54.59 | reenoo | mallum: I'll give that a try |
| 12:55.08 | mallum | reenoo: that should fix it. see how fbdev Makefile.am does its Xfbdev_LDADD |
| 13:01.07 | reenoo | hmm.. actually @KDRIVE_LIBS@ is already there |
| 13:01.43 | reenoo | as part of EPSON_LIBS which is added to Xepson_LDADD |
| 13:03.18 | mallum | reenoo: did you try it ? |
| 13:03.59 | mallum | reenoo: KDRIVE_LIBS has KdInitTouchScreen ( notice the 'k' ) |
| 13:04.35 | reenoo | try what? I can't add anything that's already there |
| 13:05.27 | mallum | Xepson_LDADD = \ |
| 13:05.27 | mallum | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.27 | mallum | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.27 | mallum | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.40 | reenoo | EPSON_LIBS = \ |
| 13:05.41 | reenoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.41 | reenoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.54 | mallum | reenoo: hmf |
| 13:07.38 | mallum | reenoo: hmm, I wonder if EPSON_LIBS expands correctly though |
| 13:08.27 | mallum | reenoo: its wierd that it would suddenly break like that |
| 13:08.50 | reenoo | hmm, I can try re-arranging things |
| 13:08.59 | mallum | reenoo: worth a shot |
| 13:09.15 | mallum | reenoo: if it works you owe me a pint |
| 13:14.32 | reenoo | nope, same error |
| 13:15.03 | mallum | reenoo: what is gcc line before error ? |
| 13:16.22 | reenoo | http://pastebin.ca/7633 |
| 13:17.22 | mallum | reenoo: ah maybe its that KdInitTouchScreen() has been removed from kdrive api |
| 13:17.43 | reenoo | looks like it. it doesn't show up when grepping for it |
| 13:18.25 | mallum | reenoo: change it to KdAddMouseDriver (&TsFuncs); |
| 13:20.30 | koen | vlc now has tls and tremor support |
| 13:20.51 | mallum | nice |
| 13:21.55 | reenoo | ~hail mallum |
| 13:21.57 | ibot | ACTION bows down to mallum and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 13:22.19 | koen | you should be able to play a secure vorbis stream using mobile ipv6 now |
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| 13:23.02 | reenoo | now I'll just have to fix the packaging and we'll be all set as far as kdrive is concerned |
| 13:23.26 | koen | reenoo: nice |
| 13:24.09 | mallum | lemme know if that still keeps the ts working on the device and I'll commit fix |
| 13:31.08 | koen | the courier just dropped off my laptop |
| 13:31.17 | koen | time to restore the backup |
| 13:34.51 | reenoo | florian_kc: can you perhaps test Xepson on a netbook once I've pushed this? |
| 13:38.13 | florian_kc | reenoo: yes, sure :-) |
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| 13:42.10 | koen | has anyone an idea why the powerbutton doesn't work anymore? |
| 13:42.20 | koen | did the keysym change or something? |
| 13:42.36 | reenoo | florian_kc: pushed |
| 13:45.22 | florian_kc | koen: I noticed somthing like this on a new Simpad build last week - the X server refused to map some keys in the .keymap files. |
| 13:45.36 | koen | florian_kc: it has spread to the ipaqs |
| 13:45.57 | florian_kc | reenoo: cool... then we only need pb_ to update cvs |
| 13:46.21 | florian_kc | koen: :-/ |
| 13:47.22 | koen | florian_kc: I don't have an xserver ready, could you try to see what xev thinks the button reports? |
| 13:49.04 | florian_kc | koen: all that stuff was ok, but loading the keymap failed because X didn't know about XF86PowerDown. |
| 13:50.46 | koen | florian_kc: that sounds like the error messages I had |
| 13:50.58 | koen | mallum: did X do anything with that? |
| 13:51.24 | mallum | koen: with XF86PowerDown ? |
| 13:52.18 | koen | mallum: yes |
| 13:52.19 | mallum | koen: X dont think that keysym exists ? |
| 13:52.57 | koen | the error message suggests that |
| 13:53.30 | koen | florian_kc: do you have the exact message ready? |
| 13:54.01 | mallum | yeah exact message would be good |
| 13:54.47 | florian_kc | hrmm... no, i don't have my Simpad here... |
| 13:55.12 | florian_kc | mallum: but you remember we discussed this issue...? |
| 13:56.35 | mallum | florian_kc: yeah but you never told me exact error |
| 13:57.32 | mallum | florian_kc: I think its an issue with XF86PowerDown string not being defined in keysymdb and/or keysymdef.h |
| 13:58.16 | mallum | after all you are not running xfree86 and the keysym naming would suggest its part of that ... |
| 14:00.12 | florian_kc | mallum: ah right... i'll ckeck the error message this evening. |
| 14:02.15 | koen | XorgPowerDown? |
| 14:02.56 | mallum | I dunno, where did XF86PowerDown come from ? |
| 14:03.03 | mallum | did it used to work and now doesn't ? |
| 14:03.09 | florian_kc | mallum: we used this for ages... |
| 14:03.24 | pb_ | iirc, that error normally means your xserver was built against bogus kernel headers. |
| 14:03.46 | pb_ | check to see if anybody updated linux-libc-headers in oe lately. |
| 14:04.47 | koen | 4 months ago |
| 14:05.38 | mallum | I thought the kernel headers were only used for the Xipaq server |
| 14:06.21 | mallum | like itsy/kbd.c |
| 14:07.26 | mallum | this is probably a question for kiethp/jg |
| 14:07.47 | mallum | iirc the 'special' button keycodes for things like the calender were pretty much hacked in |
| 14:07.59 | mallum | and that stuff may have been removed |
| 14:09.38 | florian_kc | :-( |
| 14:10.13 | koen | btw, have you seen http://linuxadvocate.org/projects/roadster/ ? |
| 14:11.34 | mallum | looks v.nice |
| 14:12.24 | koen | the big problem is that it uses mysql/e |
| 14:14.13 | florian_kc | hmmm no, the biggest problem is that there are no maps fo europe |
| 14:15.06 | mallum | 'old europe' |
| 14:16.52 | koen | florian_kc: let's move to the states to avoid that problem |
| 14:18.15 | florian_kc | koen: hmm no... moving to states is shooting in your own feet :-( |
| 14:20.15 | florian_kc | brb, food |
| 14:23.19 | mallum | koen: RP is rocking with the 2750 |
| 14:23.37 | koen | mallum: I know, I'm following it with interest |
| 14:23.53 | koen | the 2750 is what the 2210 should have been |
| 14:24.06 | mallum | yeah |
| 14:24.12 | mallum | I think I need to order one for myself |
| 14:24.25 | koen | I still don't know why they didn't use the 200mhz memory bus on that |
| 14:24.43 | RP | If I can get some key info, I think we're inline for supporting the 2750 in a mainline kernel in short order |
| 14:25.07 | koen | hh.org should really push the soc model |
| 14:25.24 | koen | and get all the stuff into mainline |
| 14:25.30 | RP | koen: I'm going to need a bit of that |
| 14:25.53 | RP | koen: Some of the hh.org code is not mainline standard. It sends shivers down my spine reading some of it :-/ |
| 14:26.28 | koen | yeah |
| 14:27.16 | koen | ideally familiar would be built against mainline |
| 14:27.52 | koen | so when a port wants to be supported it should push their code from hh.org to mainline |
| 14:27.53 | RP | koen: hh.org needs to get its act together if that's ever to happen :-/ |
| 14:28.13 | RP | I will do my best to put my code into mainline for the hx2750 though |
| 14:30.04 | koen | mallum: I was thinking about buying a hx2750, but I bought a h5550 and corgi instead |
| 14:30.38 | koen | and saved half the price of a hx2750 |
| 14:30.42 | mallum | koen: Ross has them |
| 14:30.57 | mallum | koen: I should have given him the 3800 though |
| 14:31.06 | mallum | koen: the 5550 is just a pain |
| 14:31.20 | koen | yeah |
| 14:31.28 | koen | hardware and software wise |
| 14:31.40 | mallum | yeah |
| 14:31.45 | mallum | I need to get rid of my 4150 |
| 14:31.53 | koen | heh |
| 14:32.13 | koen | mallum: sd could be working with spyro's tmio module |
| 14:32.37 | koen | that would make it independant of usbnet |
| 14:32.48 | mallum | ah interesting |
| 14:32.59 | mallum | I wonder if anyone got wirleess going ? |
| 14:33.35 | koen | haven't heared anything about that |
| 14:33.59 | koen | but I saw some h4xxx patches on kernel-discuss, so the devs are still looking at it |
| 14:34.44 | RP | One issue I can see is going to be writing a bootloader for the hx2750 |
| 14:35.28 | RP | Once I start trying to do that, the survival of this device becomes questionable :-/ |
| 14:36.04 | mallum | RP: if it can boot off SD and use the doc I dont see it as that important |
| 14:36.34 | mallum | RP: unless you really want to hack on bootloader ;) |
| 14:36.48 | koen | mallum: the bootloader also handles suspend/resume iirc |
| 14:37.07 | RP | koen: I'd hope not... |
| 14:37.38 | koen | I heard something about it storing restore vectors and such |
| 14:37.50 | RP | Using the DoC is a possible. The wince bootloader knows how to reformat it though :-/ |
| 14:37.54 | koen | joshua_ or pb_ would know that |
| 14:38.31 | RP | koen: I know the Zaurus doesn't do that. I don't see why the ipaq should... |
| 14:40.20 | koen | RP: all the better when it doesn't |
| 14:41.29 | RP | koen: I'd expect Linux to rewrite any such vectors. If it doesn't it should :) |
| 14:44.59 | mallum | I think being able to boot and run normally from just an SD card makes things much more accessible |
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| 14:49.44 | RP | mallum: but what happens if you have to reboot? |
| 14:52.13 | mallum | RP: to data ? |
| 14:53.00 | RP | mallum: Yes. Anything in the DoC |
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| 14:53.28 | RP | Or are you thinking we don't reformat it and just use it as a dos partition? |
| 14:55.06 | mallum | RP: yeah or somehow use space of the SD |
| 14:55.59 | mallum | RP: having to flash your shiny new expensive PDA for most people even developers is major hurdle for getting people involved I think |
| 14:56.17 | RP | mallum: To use the DoC as whatever format wince uses it as, we'll need a FTL which we don't have the specs for |
| 14:57.19 | koen | mallum: or use cf |
| 14:57.28 | RP | mallum: The amount of ram these things have makes me wonder about a 64MB initrd :) |
| 14:57.29 | mallum | RP: okey, I know what Im suggesting is not easy and straitforward but I think we should make that more of a priority than bootloader if possible |
| 14:57.37 | mallum | RP: hehe |
| 14:57.52 | mallum | koen: sssh dont mention cf |
| 14:58.03 | koen | cf rules! |
| 14:58.15 | RP | My initrd is already 8MB large now since I added glibc to it ;-) |
| 14:58.24 | mallum | hehe |
| 14:58.34 | RP | koen: cf = unknown pld on this device... |
| 15:11.31 | pb_ | RP: which cf functions are implemented in the cpld? |
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| 15:41.33 | florian_kc | re |
| 15:41.41 | koen | hey florian_kc |
| 16:01.55 | RP | pb_: Almost everything about the PLD is unknown. I honestly don't know :-/ |
| 16:02.37 | RP | Well, the cpld*s* :-/ |
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| 16:12.19 | pb_ | RP: do you know which signals go to it? |
| 16:12.46 | pb_ | The CPU has almost all the CF interface onboard, so I doubt the CPLD is doing anything very complicated. |
| 16:13.23 | RP | pb_: I don't know anything about it. All I have access to is what I can see with the case open and what I can probe under wince |
| 16:13.55 | pb_ | Ah, I see. |
| 16:13.59 | RP | pb_: I suspect you may be right. It Does raise the question of the the cplds are doing though. I do know they control power to the SD card... |
| 16:14.47 | pb_ | Do you know if Jamey has schematics for the hx2700? |
| 16:14.52 | RP | There is a bank of gpios in the cpld which include a CF reset |
| 16:15.08 | RP | pb_: Given what he's said to me, I'd say he has something now |
| 16:15.57 | RP | I know he doesn't know what the pld does inside though... |
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| 16:57.36 | seb__ | hi |
| 16:58.33 | seb__ | i'm trying to run kbdd on boot but i'm not able to edit /etc/init.d/kbdd, also i 'm logged with root account, |
| 16:58.36 | seb__ | any suggestions |
| 17:00.35 | florian_kc | hi seb__ |
| 17:00.43 | seb__ | nhi florian_kc |
| 17:01.09 | florian_kc | seb__: what does "ls -l /etc/init.d/kbdd" say? |
| 17:02.13 | seb__ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 510 Mar 16 20:34 /etc/init.d/kbdd |
| 17:03.16 | florian_kc | hmm... looks good, what does the editor say? |
| 17:03.53 | seb__ | i c ould'nt exit with :wq! options |
| 17:04.23 | florian_kc | :wq should be what you want |
| 17:05.10 | seb__ | i try |
| 17:06.46 | seb__ | i doesn't work |
| 17:06.50 | seb__ | it doesn't sorry |
| 17:09.01 | seb__ | allright, it seems to work |
| 17:10.32 | florian_kc | ok :-) |
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| 17:20.19 | florian_kc | hrm... are hostap-modules broken in oe?! |
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| 17:35.22 | reenoo | florian_kc: builds fine here |
| 17:36.08 | florian_kc | hrm... looks like it uses some header from local system. it fails on ppc :-/ |
| 17:42.37 | reenoo | seems unlikely since it's using the kernel headers in staging but may be |
| 17:43.08 | reenoo | best take that up with mickeyl in #oe I guess |
| 17:44.11 | florian_kc | ok, but first i'll go home :-) |
| 17:45.33 | reenoo | sure. mickeyl doesn't seem to be around anyway atm |
| 17:47.25 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 18:05.46 | reenoo | koen: wb |
| 18:05.51 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 18:05.59 | reenoo | happen to have a working cvsdate for cairo? |
| 18:06.04 | koen | reenoo: what's the url for your blog again? |
| 18:07.04 | reenoo | koen: http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rwagner/pyblosxom.cgi |
| 18:09.09 | koen | reenoo: familiar-0.8.2 doesn't require any local tweaks |
| 18:10.06 | koen | so 20050315 should work for cairo |
| 18:12.46 | reenoo | ok, I'll give that a try |
| 18:12.51 | reenoo | brb |
| 18:21.57 | mallum | jg: about ? |
| 18:23.29 | mallum | reenoo: ooh jamVM, interesting |
| 18:25.22 | mallum | reenoo: can you write GTK apps with it ? |
| 18:26.33 | koen | mallum: it should support gtk awt peers (which I think boils down to "yes" |
| 18:27.30 | mallum | koen: speak english man |
| 18:27.41 | koen | heh |
| 18:27.47 | koen | "yes" |
| 18:27.59 | mallum | koen: are they slow ? |
| 18:28.04 | mallum | koen: slow as in like python |
| 18:28.10 | reenoo | mallum: basically AWT widgets are mapped to Gtk ones |
| 18:28.33 | reenoo | no, the gui itself runs at native speeds |
| 18:28.48 | reenoo | (because it's a native library after all) |
| 18:31.09 | mallum | reenoo: ok |
| 18:31.14 | mallum | reenoo: i dont quite get java |
| 18:31.20 | mallum | reenoo: tool old I guess |
| 18:31.26 | reenoo | AWT is fairly limited though. I don't think anybody wants to write GUIs with it any more |
| 18:31.38 | mallum | swing ? |
| 18:31.49 | reenoo | or SWT, yes |
| 18:32.30 | reenoo | swing is comparably slow because it draws its own widgets on top of the AWT API |
| 18:33.06 | reenoo | and the free (gnu classpath) implementation is only just starting to become useful |
| 18:33.23 | mallum | ok |
| 18:33.34 | mallum | I am asking my Java friend about it over jabber |
| 18:34.26 | reenoo | http://people.redhat.com/fitzsim/fosdem-2005/html/fosdem-2005-presentation.html <-- that should sum up the current state of swing in gnu classpath |
| 18:35.50 | reenoo | SWT defines its own set of widgets but also maps them to native (gtk or motif) widgets (or even windows widgets if you like) |
| 18:36.08 | reenoo | that's what eclipse uses for its gui |
| 18:38.06 | reenoo | unfortunately SWT appears to be using parts of libgnomeui which is why I haven't added it to OE yet (it's well.. ugly build system being another reason) |
| 18:38.16 | reenoo | s/it's/its/ |
| 18:39.02 | jg | mallum: for small values of about: I only had about 5 hours sleep last night.... |
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| 18:41.26 | Cwiiis | finally! Easter holidays :) |
| 18:45.53 | mallum | jg: ok |
| 18:46.17 | Cwiiis | mallum: How goes autotooling gpe? |
| 18:46.20 | mallum | jg: I was just wondering what happens to an XServer if you overload it with requests |
| 18:46.26 | mallum | Cwiiis: havn't started yet |
| 18:46.49 | Cwiiis | Fair enough :) I can lend a hand now I have a bit of time :) |
| 18:46.58 | mallum | Cwiiis: ok :) |
| 18:47.15 | mallum | Cwiiis: you dont fancy fixing the wireless applet do you :) ? |
| 18:47.44 | mallum | Cwiiis: its mostly done, just needs some juggling around of iwlib.h stuff |
| 18:48.19 | mallum | Cwiiis: I need to commit what I've done though |
| 18:48.24 | Cwiiis | mallum: I can give it a go - what sort of juggling is needed? Anything over 3 balls and I'm stuck I'm afraid :) |
| 18:48.59 | mallum | Cwiiis: I'll commit what I have and see what you think |
| 18:49.21 | mallum | Cwiiis: it just a cleanup really and making sure some of that comes out of iwlib right |
| 18:49.50 | Cwiiis | mallum: As in replacing old code with iwlib-using code? |
| 18:51.32 | mallum | Cwiiis: yeah |
| 18:51.43 | mallum | Cwiiis: I just committed |
| 18:51.43 | Cwiiis | okidokes, will take a look :) |
| 18:51.50 | mallum | Cwiiis: see matchbox-panel/applets/mb-applet-wireless.c |
| 18:52.03 | Cwiiis | mallum: k, will just get some food and my wages and take a look in a bit :) |
| 18:53.09 | mallum | Cwiiis: cool :) the autotools stuff for it is on done. It just compiles with warning currently and gives wrong data when in the message bubble at least |
| 18:57.14 | jg | mallum: well, it can't keep up, so it stops reading, so the client gets blocked trying to write its buffers in xlib. |
| 19:03.45 | mallum | jg: yep, thats what I thought |
| 19:03.48 | mallum | jg: thanks |
| 19:04.19 | jg | mallum: these days, the schedular will at least prevent complete starvation by a single greedy client. |
| 19:06.15 | jg | (as in X schedular, not the kernel). |
| 19:07.39 | mallum | jg: yep, that still fits what Im seeing |
| 19:07.45 | mallum | aha http://2005.guadec.org/schedule/ |
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| 19:47.22 | florian | re |
| 19:47.34 | koen | welcome back florian |
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| 20:13.32 | florian | hi pb_ |
| 20:15.21 | florian | do we want documentation in headers or in implementation now? |
| 20:15.38 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 20:15.51 | pb_ | I'm not too bothered. Personally I would put it in the implementation, but the headers are fine too. |
| 20:20.26 | florian | hmm... |
| 20:29.55 | florian | hmm... gtk seems to have documentation in the code. |
| 20:30.33 | florian | mallum: do you keep the documentation in the headers? |
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| 20:52.31 | pb_ | florian: right, it seems to work quite well for gtk |
| 20:52.48 | florian | indeed... |
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| 21:05.33 | mallum | florian: I have it in the headers |
| 21:05.47 | mallum | florian: its just personal taste I guess |
| 21:06.57 | mallum | http://code.google.com/ |
| 21:14.13 | florian | mallum: okay |
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| 21:19.36 | Philippe | hello people |
| 21:19.44 | koen | hey Philippe |
| 21:20.07 | Philippe | I've mad some preliminary bb files and packages of gtkhtml-lite and gpe-helpviewer. |
| 21:20.46 | Philippe | Once my Ipaq gets freed I will test them on arm. It seems to be ok on x86. So feel free to test it. |
| 21:21.01 | Philippe | please tell me where to send the bb files. |
| 21:21.11 | koen | oe@handhelds.org |
| 21:21.18 | molivier | i have got trouble with the last snapshot 0.8.2 on poodle - someone use it ? |
| 21:22.53 | florian | Philippe: sounds good :-) |
| 21:23.30 | Philippe | Well it is a alpha version... I hope it works like expected in GPE ;-) |
| 21:24.25 | Philippe | the bb-files are also available on: http://stag.mind.be/gpe-helpviewer-1.0.bb & http://stag.mind.be/gtkhtml-lite-3.0_3.0.10.bb |
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| 21:28.52 | florian | good night |
| 21:29.16 | koen | 'night florian |
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| 21:42.28 | koen | Philippe: I'm not sure what the policy is for this kind of things, but if you use orbit in your bb, you should add it to the depends |
| 21:42.29 | treke | Has anyone done any work on syncing with gpe? Didnt see any mention in the gpe docs |
| 21:43.01 | koen | treke: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GpeSync |
| 21:43.11 | treke | ah. the hh.o wiki :p |
| 21:43.15 | koen | the plugin is in multisync cvs too |
| 21:43.42 | koen | the wiki is about the only place taht isn't tied into place with nasty scripts |
| 21:43.54 | treke | hehe |
| 21:46.22 | Philippe | koen, I just took the existing gtkhtml bb file and adapted the source fetching. |
| 21:47.16 | Philippe | But you might be right that it should be in depends. I guessed it was okay, but improvements are probabely always welcome :-) |
| 21:52.47 | koen | Philippe: as I said, I don't know the policy on it, but it makes sense to me :) |
| 21:59.13 | Philippe | koen, I will check it with the oe people. |
| 22:19.23 | reenoo | mallum: planning to attend guadec? |
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| 22:31.54 | lynx | is there a decent media player which will work with GPE? I've been searching the package DB but keep getting Opie stuff <_< |
| 22:32.38 | Cwiiis | lynx: gpe-nmf (well, not decent... hehe) |
| 22:32.40 | koen | vlc-gpe and mplayer work |
| 22:33.47 | reenoo | koen: tried vlc 0.8.1 on the target already? |
| 22:33.54 | koen | reenoo: http://handhelds.org/~florian/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=Applications |
| 22:34.11 | koen | I even scapped it :) |
| 22:35.38 | reenoo | ah, nice |
| 22:35.49 | Cwiiis | ooh, one of my scaps on there :) |
| 22:36.03 | reenoo | koen: I take it the interface is still as crappy as before though? |
| 22:36.13 | koen | correct |
| 22:36.15 | lynx | gpe-nmf is just audio right? Or are there plugins for it to run vids aswell? |
| 22:36.25 | koen | nmf is audio only atm |
| 22:37.16 | lynx | k |
| 22:38.00 | koen | reenoo: having the playlist on the last tab is very intuitive |
| 22:38.05 | koen | </sarcasm> |
| 22:38.34 | lynx | how about mplayer, it seems to be availlable. Does it work ok with both video and mp3? |
| 22:38.52 | koen | lynx: it works great |
| 22:39.03 | lynx | saw the screens |
| 22:39.05 | lynx | :P |
| 22:40.48 | reenoo | koen: right. the interface definitely needs a hug >:) |
| 22:41.24 | reenoo | koen: actually it's their multi-threading/custom event loop or whatever that scared me away... |
| 22:42.10 | lynx | has anyone tryd this gpe-vlc thing? |
| 22:42.53 | Philippe | I tried it once. Seemed to work ok. |
| 22:43.03 | reenoo | lynx: vlc-gpe. that's what koen and me are talking about |
| 22:43.09 | reenoo | hehe |
| 22:43.12 | koen | yes, it works |
| 22:44.11 | lynx | nice |
| 22:46.51 | lynx | so what's the main difference between the 2 apps (mplayer and vlc)? With your screens you're using mplayer over a wlan to stream a video and vlc for watching a normal vid <_< |
| 22:48.29 | koen | mplayer doesn't have a gui |
| 22:48.42 | Philippe | Just tested. gtkhtml-lite and gpe-helpviewer on ARM. It works like a charm! |
| 22:49.35 | Philippe | Now just single instance to do... |
| 22:52.16 | pb_ | cool |
| 22:52.38 | Philippe | gtkhtml-lite is 547k. |
| 22:52.58 | lynx | well I don't really feel like wasting to much space on my ipaq, so I'll stick to the vlc program at first. It should be able to play MP3's allong with divx and xvid. No need for other programs if that works ;) |
| 22:53.15 | Philippe | So that is about 50k smaller than the original one. And withhout depends on libbonobo(ui), libgnomeprintui... |
| 22:53.42 | reenoo | pb_: happen to know of any tutorials/source code I could look into in order to learn how to structure gtk gui code for separate dialogs/windows in separate files and stuff? |
| 22:54.58 | reenoo | (I'm doing that already, but it doesn't feel quite right.. like I must be missing something |
| 22:55.02 | reenoo | ) |
| 22:55.19 | Philippe | I would recommend the gtk tutorial. (apt-get install devhelp) |
| 22:57.05 | pb_ | reenoo: sorry, I can't really think of anything offhand |
| 22:58.10 | Philippe | reenoo, they have nice examples in there. |
| 22:58.46 | Philippe | or maybe here : http://developer.gnome.org/doc/GGAD/ |
| 23:06.09 | reenoo | Philippe: I'm familiar with how gtk/glib/... work in general. the problem is that the d.g.o docs don't go much beyound sample apps with one window or code snippets |
| 23:10.05 | reenoo | pb_: thanks anyway. I'll keep searching or just release what I've got and learn from feedback I get |
| 23:14.23 | mallum | reenoo: yes indeed |
| 23:16.30 | koen | reenoo: what are you working on? |
| 23:17.06 | koen | mallum: do you have any other hackers working on porting linux to handhelds hiding somewhere? |
| 23:19.10 | reenoo | mallum: hmm.. stuttgart isn't particularly near to where I live... but I might go there too |
| 23:19.55 | reenoo | koen: you'll find out once it's released >:) |
| 23:23.22 | reenoo | koen: I decided to stop announcing stuff that's not finished yet. I happen to not get to finishing things due to university/work/real life stuff too often |
| 23:24.27 | mallum | koen: no, why ? |
| 23:24.36 | koen | just wondering |
| 23:25.59 | koen | there's always the chance you're going to say "yes, lots of them" and we'll be flooded with linux ports |
| 23:27.25 | mallum | koen: well you never know ;) |
| 23:27.43 | mallum | koen: if I had mountains of cash maybe |
| 23:28.41 | koen | mallum: make ross rob a bank for you |
| 23:31.31 | koen | 'night all |
| 23:31.39 | reenoo | 'night koen |
| 23:39.30 | Philippe | goodnight! |
| 23:44.18 | reenoo | 'night Philippe |
| 23:44.43 | reenoo | heh |
| 23:44.45 | reenoo | http://gtk2hs.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:44.45 | lynx | k, vlc-gpe seems to run mp3's without a problem. But when I run a .avi movie it crashes and kills itself. |