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| 09:14.04 | reenoo | morning |
| 09:27.24 | koen | good morning all |
| 09:27.37 | reenoo | morning koen |
| 09:27.44 | koen | hey reenoo |
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| 09:54.41 | florian | hi all |
| 09:58.24 | p0m | Howdy florian. |
| 10:16.02 | florian | ho p0m |
| 10:30.55 | koen | florian: how's cebit going? |
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| 10:43.35 | koen | 'morning tigrux |
| 10:44.12 | tigrux | Hello master koen! |
| 10:49.27 | florian | koen: nice... i'm almost constantly speaking today |
| 10:49.39 | florian | hi tigrux |
| 10:50.16 | tigrux | florian: How is Siegel today? |
| 11:04.54 | florian | tigrux: Siegen it is... but i have no idea, i'm at CeBit in Hannover :-) |
| 11:27.29 | koen | florian: are the people liking GPE? |
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| 11:38.28 | koen | hey ho mallum |
| 11:47.05 | koen | mallum: do you have a summary of your gpe probs somewhere? |
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| 11:48.30 | reenoo | re |
| 11:48.56 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 11:49.00 | mallum | koen: hey |
| 11:49.04 | mallum | koen: in my head |
| 11:49.20 | reenoo | re koen |
| 11:49.22 | reenoo | hey mallum |
| 11:49.34 | mallum | hey reenoo |
| 11:50.06 | koen | reenoo: *don't* read osnews.com if you want to stay sane |
| 11:50.19 | mallum | koen: Im waiting for Nils to post to gpe list |
| 11:50.42 | reenoo | koen: heh. no, I'm busy anyway ;) |
| 11:50.47 | koen | mallum: I've burried nils under addenda for his proposal |
| 11:55.39 | koen | mallum: it might take nils a while to incorporate those |
| 12:04.03 | reenoo | mallum: what was that xdamage based expose thingy you mentioned the other day? |
| 12:04.12 | koen | skippy-xd |
| 12:04.36 | reenoo | koen: thx |
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| 12:35.45 | reenoo | hey pb_ |
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| 12:39.32 | dc_ | afternoon |
| 12:39.45 | dc_ | pb_: that kernel seems to have problems :( |
| 12:40.07 | dc_ | here we go. |
| 12:40.30 | dc_ | pb_: 'Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address ...' |
| 12:40.39 | dc_ | oh.. |
| 12:40.43 | dc_ | could that be my memory? |
| 12:42.17 | mallum | dc_: #mythtv |
| 12:42.22 | pb_ | hi all |
| 12:42.27 | pb_ | dc_: oh dear |
| 12:42.33 | dc_ | mallum: sssh |
| 12:42.42 | pb_ | it's possible that bad memory or overheating could cause that, yeah, but it might also be a bug. |
| 12:44.04 | pb_ | did you try the 2.6.8.1 kernel? |
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| 12:46.19 | koen | hey dc__ & pb_ |
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| 12:46.44 | dc__ | hey |
| 12:48.36 | pb_ | hi koen |
| 12:57.56 | dc__ | bbl, driving. |
| 13:00.50 | pb_ | enjoy |
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| 13:20.06 | florian | pb_: do we need gdk_screen_width() and gdk_screen_height() in libgpewidget? |
| 13:27.44 | mallum | koen: http://shop.lego.com/product.asp?p=10143&cn=4&d=5&t=3 |
| 13:28.50 | koen | cool! |
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| 13:33.42 | pb_ | florian: hm, good question |
| 13:34.05 | pb_ | iirc, the definitions in gdk itself (at least in gtk 2.0 days) did not work when the screen was rotated. |
| 13:34.10 | pb_ | I have no idea whether that is still the case. |
| 13:35.38 | koen | mallum: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/Gallery/albums/huisjeoppassen/IMG_2566.sized.jpg |
| 13:36.40 | koen | mallum: that's from a E3 lego box I bought last year :) |
| 13:37.12 | mallum | koen: :) |
| 13:37.19 | koen | the local supermarket had a special offer |
| 13:38.20 | koen | hmmm, I should teach gallery to be less verbose on the exif |
| 13:46.15 | koen | mallum: did the c760 image work? |
| 13:46.56 | mallum | koen: yeah kind of |
| 13:48.56 | koen | I'm going to fire up a softfloat-armv5te build |
| 13:49.02 | koen | let's see how that works out |
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| 13:54.05 | koen | mallum: any exciting matchbox news? |
| 13:55.31 | koen | mallum: http://projects.o-hand.com/misc/handyhuman2.png <- looks nice |
| 13:55.33 | mallum | koen: as a matter of fact |
| 13:55.51 | mallum | koen: I've hopefully just fixed the lowlighting |
| 13:56.18 | mallum | koen: yeah I dont think I can distrobute handyhuman though due to copyrights on ubuntu artwork |
| 13:56.35 | koen | ah, too bad |
| 13:57.19 | koen | florian: are there nokia people at cebit? |
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| 14:57.36 | mallum | koen: you just committed lowlighting fixes |
| 14:57.43 | mallum | s/you/yo/ |
| 14:58.14 | mallum | Cwiiis: do you want to try em ? |
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| 15:02.16 | koen | mallum: sure, in a moment |
| 15:04.05 | mallum | koen: I just have to fix wireless applet then I can spin a new release |
| 15:04.12 | mallum | koen: lots of nice fixes through out svn |
| 15:04.55 | koen | I noticed |
| 15:05.45 | mallum | it would be nice to get some better icons for the wireless monitor too |
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| 15:23.19 | reenoo | re |
| 15:23.28 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 15:23.39 | reenoo | re koen |
| 15:37.50 | koen | Cwiiis: how did you solve that asm/vesa problem with kdrive? |
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| 15:53.39 | koen | ah, 'fixed' it |
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| 15:56.43 | reenoo | heh |
| 15:56.45 | reenoo | doh |
| 15:56.58 | reenoo | "Yes, the AWT/Swing in 1.1.10 and current staging are horribly broken" |
| 15:57.26 | koen | ah, more java fun |
| 15:57.43 | reenoo | I kind of figured that... but why on earth are they releasing known broken crap |
| 15:59.02 | koen | to piss of users? |
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| 16:01.34 | reenoo | dunno. they have some serious regression issues |
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| 16:24.54 | reenoo | heh |
| 16:25.07 | reenoo | "Then same testcases work fine with current kaffe and jamvm/classpath 0.14." |
| 16:25.20 | reenoo | the classpath people have silently released 0.14 |
| 16:25.32 | reenoo | no note on their website |
| 16:35.47 | reenoo | hrm |
| 16:36.48 | reenoo | classpath has grown in size again |
| 16:38.57 | reenoo | yay |
| 16:39.21 | reenoo | appears to work like a charm :) |
| 16:48.36 | koen | cool |
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| 16:49.46 | reenoo | haven't been able to cause a crash yet. no segfaults no JNI breakage |
| 16:50.27 | reenoo | so far the best JVM I've run on my ipaq :) |
| 16:50.37 | reenoo | hey florian |
| 16:51.06 | koen | hey florian |
| 16:51.16 | koen | oops |
| 16:51.33 | koen | reenoo: that's plain classpatch? |
| 16:51.39 | dc___ | afternoon |
| 16:51.43 | koen | hey dc___ |
| 16:52.01 | reenoo | koen: jamvm 1.2.5 and classpath 0.14 |
| 16:52.12 | reenoo | no patches |
| 16:52.26 | koen | nice |
| 16:53.44 | reenoo | should be fairly straight forward. but I don't have the time to do it myself :) |
| 16:53.48 | koen | heh |
| 16:55.05 | koen | strange |
| 16:55.12 | koen | mt mythweb has been 'beered' |
| 16:55.23 | koen | s/mt/my/ |
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| 17:10.52 | koen | hey tigrux |
| 17:11.08 | tigrux | koen: yo |
| 17:11.42 | reenoo | ah well... the swing examples still cause a segfault. at least my awt apps appear to work properly |
| 17:11.47 | reenoo | hey tigrux |
| 17:12.11 | reenoo | s/at least/but at least/ |
| 17:13.49 | koen | "mb-desktop flooded with opie-apps" |
| 17:13.50 | koen | :) |
| 17:14.16 | reenoo | well.. that's what would be happening |
| 17:15.18 | koen | the solution would be extending all .desktop files, but that's a lot of work |
| 17:15.33 | reenoo | extending? |
| 17:16.22 | koen | hmm |
| 17:16.27 | koen | nevermind |
| 17:16.45 | koen | I wanted to flag 'x only' and 'qpe only' |
| 17:17.01 | koen | but that breaks for sdl apps that can do both |
| 17:17.49 | koen | is libsdl-x11 different from a normal libsdl? |
| 17:17.52 | reenoo | no, I guess you could do that. but it's against the standard |
| 17:18.19 | reenoo | define normal sdl |
| 17:18.41 | koen | unpatched |
| 17:18.59 | reenoo | should be, yeah |
| 17:19.09 | reenoo | err |
| 17:19.25 | reenoo | libsdl-x11 does not contain any patches IIRC |
| 17:19.28 | koen | so it actually is libsdl vs incompatible qt/e crap libsdl |
| 17:20.13 | reenoo | before zecke's patch libsdl-qpe was ABI-incompatible with every other libsdl incarnation |
| 17:20.47 | reenoo | which should be fixed now |
| 17:21.28 | reenoo | so, you can compile an sdl app once and run it using any libsdl (including -x11 and -qpe) |
| 17:24.27 | mallum | Cwiiis: I found my old matchbox keybinding tool hack |
| 17:26.08 | koen | reenoo: how does the shlib code cope with that? |
| 17:26.26 | koen | will it pick up libsdl-x11 or libsdl? |
| 17:26.47 | reenoo | good question |
| 17:26.53 | reenoo | I don't know |
| 17:26.59 | reenoo | -> #oe I guess |
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| 17:34.37 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: Ah, cool - I'm off for the weekend now, could you send some (relevant :)) stuff to cwiiis@blueyonder.co.uk possibly? |
| 17:39.55 | Cwiiis[uni] | gtg, will read answer at home |
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| 20:39.15 | florian | re |
| 20:45.13 | philippe | hello peeps |
| 20:45.55 | florian | hi philippe |
| 20:46.13 | reenoo | hey florian |
| 20:46.15 | reenoo | hi philippe |
| 20:47.11 | koen | hey florian & philippe & reenoo |
| 20:47.19 | florian | *yawn* |
| 20:51.41 | koen | florian: is nils going to send his super-but-no-so-secret proposal to the list during or after cebit? |
| 20:51.53 | koen | and how was your day at cebit? |
| 20:54.07 | florian | koen: Ah welll i'm convinced this will take some days. Cebit is really straining... and Nils has a longer business meeting next week. |
| 20:56.24 | philippe | Yeehaa. I am off for a drink! I managed to strip off the libgnomui, libgnomeprintui, libbonobo and libbonobo-activation dependencies from gtkhtml! I'll try to make a patch when I get back, but first time for a small party! |
| 20:56.57 | koen | cheers |
| 20:56.59 | reenoo | philippe: yay! nice job :) |
| 20:57.14 | florian | philippe: great, that's good news... |
| 20:58.00 | reenoo | hehe |
| 20:58.09 | philippe | I just hope I am able to reproduce this decently :-) And that the html-editor thingy is not important... |
| 20:58.10 | reenoo | http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rwagner/pyblosxom.cgi |
| 20:58.34 | florian | heh |
| 20:58.52 | reenoo | now I'd just have to convince the admin crew to allow cgi-bins in ~/public_html on hh.org |
| 20:59.21 | florian | right... it is important to have all changes possible in the upstream version some time. |
| 20:59.38 | koen | reenoo: no rss link? |
| 20:59.52 | philippe | bbl |
| 21:00.19 | florian | that's important for the knowlege about the lack of this stuff on some platforms. |
| 21:00.19 | pb_ | florian: good evening |
| 21:00.28 | florian | pb_: :-) |
| 21:00.35 | reenoo | koen: heh. haven't got to setting that up yet. |
| 21:01.10 | florian | pb_: we could drop the old iconlist as well... gpe-gallery and gpe-bluetooth shoul be really easy to convert to the new one. |
| 21:01.39 | reenoo | ugh |
| 21:01.42 | pb_ | florian: right |
| 21:01.43 | reenoo | koen: http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rwagner/pyblosxom.cgi/?flav=rss |
| 21:02.02 | pb_ | florian: but we would need to leave the code in libgpewidget for a while to support old binaries |
| 21:02.12 | koen | florian: could gpe-bt be altered to use a 'dynamic' layout instead of always having a scrollbar? |
| 21:02.42 | pb_ | koen: what do you mean by "dynamic"? |
| 21:02.51 | florian | pb_: ah right... |
| 21:03.10 | koen | pb_: only having a scrollbar when needed |
| 21:03.39 | pb_ | we could, but it's not entirely straightforward and I'm not convinced it would be an improvement. |
| 21:04.10 | pb_ | having scrollbars appearing and disappearing in arbitrary ways is not necessarily very desirable. |
| 21:04.28 | florian | pb_, koen: imho we could easily use gtk for this kind of user interfaces. either in the way gpe-aerial looks (which i think would be nice for gpe-bluetooth) or using that new icon view widget from gtk. |
| 21:04.52 | pb_ | yeah |
| 21:05.03 | koen | ah, I though it allready used gtk |
| 21:05.13 | pb_ | I think gpe-gallery could also use the gtk widget |
| 21:05.21 | florian | koen: thats a widget in libgpewidget... |
| 21:05.25 | pb_ | afaik, gpe-appmgr is the only one that uses gpeiconlist in a serious way |
| 21:05.28 | florian | right |
| 21:05.38 | florian | yeah |
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| 22:11.30 | koen | OMG |
| 22:11.40 | koen | slashdot picked up on the osnews story |
| 22:20.35 | koen | "The root cause of the problem is that Eugenia has zero credibility among large numbers of free software hackers. |
| 22:20.39 | koen | " |
| 22:41.11 | dc___ | Eugenia? |
| 22:41.28 | reenoo | koen: fwiw, I've added an rss link |
| 22:41.37 | reenoo | koen: and fixed the CSS a bit |
| 22:42.23 | reenoo | koen: wrt euginia... that's definitely not the type of PR that's going to motivate developers :( |
| 22:44.29 | reenoo | dc___: an osnews.com editor who's made gnome bashing her hobby or rather full time job |
| 22:44.42 | dc___ | ah |
| 22:46.03 | joshua_ | hahahaha, elq isn't just a gnome-basher |
| 22:46.39 | joshua_ | she likes to rail on anything that doesn't bend over backwards to do what she wants. |
| 22:46.56 | reenoo | heh, right |
| 22:47.16 | reenoo | but gnome happens to be her favourite target |
| 22:47.21 | reenoo | it seems |
| 22:47.34 | joshua_ | of the week, I guess |
| 23:06.45 | koen | "FOSS devs on strike" |
| 23:06.53 | koen | that would be nice |
| 23:19.13 | pb_ | dc___: is your kernel crash happening with both 2.6.8.1 and 2.6.11? |
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| 23:22.06 | koen | hey p0m |
| 23:22.15 | p0m | Hey koen. |
| 23:29.29 | koen | 'night all |
| 23:39.58 | reenoo | 'night all |
