| 00:13.48 | reenoo | Cwiiis: so? |
| 00:14.17 | Cwiiis | reenoo: Well, it might not be the best app to recommend, given it doesn't work |
| 00:15.10 | reenoo | it does work here |
| 00:17.03 | Cwiiis | hmm, must be something up with my config then - work with video too, or just audio? |
| 00:17.30 | reenoo | both |
| 00:18.00 | Cwiiis | Fair enough then, I'll have to try it again at some point |
| 00:20.23 | reenoo | anyways, I'm off to be. 'night all |
| 00:20.27 | Cwiiis | night |
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| 08:43.36 | koen | good morning all |
| 09:11.42 | Tonyx | morning |
| 09:11.52 | koen | hey Tonyx |
| 09:12.04 | Tonyx | hey hey |
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| 12:21.54 | popetodd | Hey there cwillis, thanks for the help yesterday. My audio prob was permissions related. |
| 12:29.21 | popetodd | Sorry,the font is so small. Thank you Cwiis. |
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| 13:13.01 | reenoo | afternoon |
| 13:16.29 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 13:16.35 | reenoo | hi koen |
| 13:16.50 | koen | how did the exam go? |
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| 13:17.15 | reenoo | hehe.. I was just going to tell you.. ;) |
| 13:17.18 | reenoo | passed it |
| 13:17.22 | reenoo | no problem |
| 13:18.06 | reenoo | just a bit nervous because they had us wait for 20 mins or so |
| 13:18.24 | koen | congrats |
| 13:18.59 | reenoo | thanks |
| 13:19.45 | reenoo | hrm.. looks like /. is having issues |
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| 13:27.43 | TyggerBob | morning all |
| 13:28.24 | koen | hey TyggerBob |
| 13:28.32 | TyggerBob | Heya koen |
| 13:29.00 | TyggerBob | I got an email from my boss saying it's ok for me to expense a 2nd hand iPAQ off ebay to replace mine. |
| 13:29.02 | TyggerBob | :) |
| 13:29.22 | pb_ | very good :-) |
| 13:29.23 | koen | good news |
| 13:29.26 | pb_ | did yours turn out to be unrepairable? |
| 13:29.46 | TyggerBob | not sure.. haven't got it back from Jamey yet.. we'll see what he was able to do. |
| 13:31.58 | reenoo | hey TyggerBob |
| 13:32.01 | reenoo | hi pb_ |
| 13:32.15 | TyggerBob | either way, the plan is to put GPE/Sectest back on it and "donate" it to the company so others can use it as well, and I'll get a new one with WM2k3 on it for office stuff. |
| 13:32.53 | TyggerBob | For the most part, I'm the only one doing VA's right now anyway, so I'll probably hang on to it here. |
| 13:33.09 | koen | heh |
| 13:33.54 | TyggerBob | heya reenoo |
| 13:34.46 | TyggerBob | And considering I can get a 555x for about $400cdn, I'll probably go that route, rather than another 54xx |
| 13:36.58 | TyggerBob | I've got about 12 on my ebay watch list right now |
| 13:37.55 | koen | ~change 400 cdn to eur |
| 13:38.09 | koen | ~change 400 cnd to eur |
| 13:38.39 | koen | ~change 400 canadian dollors to eur |
| 13:38.46 | koen | indeed |
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| 13:39.55 | koen | ~change 400 cad to eur |
| 13:40.28 | techsoup | hi, I am using GPE and I am new to it. So far it is in english but I would like to go for a full French version of it. |
| 13:40.34 | techsoup | what do I need to do? |
| 13:41.53 | pb_ | hi reenoo |
| 13:43.24 | techsoup | as far as I can see there is a locale for each module |
| 13:43.32 | koen | hey techsoup |
| 13:43.39 | techsoup | hey koen |
| 13:43.56 | techsoup | as you can see still trying to get GPE in French |
| 13:44.28 | pb_ | techsoup: which image did you install? |
| 13:44.49 | techsoup | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.56 | pb_ | except for the h3600 versions, French should be preinstalled in most of the recent images. |
| 13:45.13 | techsoup | :- ) I am on a H3850 so... |
| 13:45.21 | pb_ | ah, heh |
| 13:45.29 | pb_ | in that case, you will need to install locale-base-fr-fr by hand. |
| 13:45.36 | techsoup | ok |
| 13:45.49 | techsoup | and that will bring all the nevironment? |
| 13:46.24 | pb_ | I'm not entirely sure. I think you might need another command to install the actual translations. |
| 13:46.40 | pb_ | I don't remember the syntax for that one, though. |
| 13:46.48 | techsoup | pb_ : ok, but you are giving me the tip of the line. Thank you |
| 13:48.37 | techsoup | hmmm... this is wierd |
| 13:48.53 | techsoup | pb_ I am on pack manager under GPE. |
| 13:49.18 | techsoup | I try to select "locale-base-fr-fr" |
| 13:50.29 | techsoup | it doesn't select but when trying to move on, I find a message saying :"packaged installed sucessfully" |
| 13:50.38 | techsoup | pb_ any ideas? |
| 13:51.33 | pb_ | techsoup: I don't know much about that application. You'd probably need to talk to Florian. |
| 13:51.46 | techsoup | ok, thank you. Florian then |
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| 14:02.25 | chrisowen | hi guys |
| 14:02.50 | chrisowen | Ive been away for a while, so I want to get a new source tree to try and do some developing |
| 14:03.07 | chrisowen | I remember some mention of bitkeeper or something |
| 14:03.26 | chrisowen | whats the best way to get the source and build for the ipaq? |
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| 14:03.42 | pb_ | chrisowen: refer to www.openembedded.org |
| 14:05.18 | chrisowen | cheers |
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| 15:23.21 | Cwiiis[uni] | Anyone know any tricks for making minimo more stable? |
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| 15:29.32 | koen | Cwiiis[uni]: bribe dougt :) |
| 15:29.40 | Cwiiis[uni] | :) |
| 15:33.03 | koen | Feb 14, 2005 -- Minimo ported Windows CE. Builds soon to be available. |
| 15:33.22 | koen | that's pretty good news |
| 15:34.11 | koen | Cwiiis[uni]: I think minimo 0.3 will be pretty nice |
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| 15:50.29 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: Yeah, it's looking very nice already, would just be nice if it didn't crash on pretty much all sites :) hehe |
| 15:56.13 | Cwiiis[uni] | hmm, cvsdate 20030223 minimo fails to build with 'toolbar' undeclared :( Ah well.. |
| 15:56.23 | koen | Cwiiis[uni]: isn't it getting OOM'ed? |
| 15:56.56 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: Could well be, I've not looked into it at all - All I know is that it stops responding |
| 15:57.19 | koen | after I added swap on my corgi it worked better |
| 15:57.29 | koen | not real good, but better :) |
| 15:57.45 | Cwiiis[uni] | Bit odd it'd OOM so easily though - dillo2 has no problems |
| 15:58.15 | Cwiiis[uni] | like it crashes/OOM's on my site, which has very little content (www.chrislord.net) |
| 15:59.50 | Cwiiis[uni] | I wish xstroke would just work over all surfaces, unless it's a tap... Might have to look at it :p |
| 16:26.11 | Cwiiis[uni] | Think I'll have a go at adding encompass to OE... |
| 16:28.16 | koen | isn't gtkhtml big and slow? |
| 16:28.42 | koen | or am I confusing it with something else? |
| 16:31.41 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: It has a new maintainer, things might be starting to improve |
| 16:31.59 | Cwiiis[uni] | http://encompass.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:32.23 | Cwiiis[uni] | May as well get it in anyway, nothing wrong with choice :) |
| 16:32.35 | koen | indeed |
| 16:33.31 | koen | I'm curious what the "other gnome libraries" are |
| 16:34.03 | koen | ah, gtkhtml and libsoup aren't too big |
| 16:38.35 | koen | Cwiiis[uni]: how do you like the current oz-3.5.3 build? |
| 16:38.53 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: It's getting there - I checked in a load of changes last night, but there's still more to come |
| 16:39.37 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: I'm hoping that with robtaylor_'s help (well, pretty much just him :p hehe), the collie apm_bios bug will get actually fixed, so I don't have to include another work-around for this release - but otherwise, I have a work-around ready |
| 16:40.01 | koen | btw, I thought I consolidated the collie-devs patch into the pre-session one |
| 16:40.19 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: I need to make matchbox-wm_svn with CVSDATE 20050223 the default, re-enable composite and add some patches to add links and change default settings here and there |
| 16:40.36 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: The previous collie-devs patch was a bit wrong, and things have changed since as well |
| 16:40.45 | koen | Cwiiis[uni]: I think mallum will do a release soon |
| 16:40.55 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: Ah, that'd be good :) hehe |
| 16:41.08 | robtaylor_ | Cwiiis[uni]: hmm, i cant see whats wrong myself.. but i'll try and help =) |
| 16:41.13 | Cwiiis[uni] | "NOTE: package neon-0.24.7-r1: task do_build: completed" - wow, wasn't expecting that... |
| 16:41.18 | robtaylor_ | Cwiiis[uni]: get a serial cable goddamit |
| 16:41.36 | Cwiiis[uni] | robtaylor_: I'm waiting on hrw to build me one :) hehe - I can't find anywhere to buy them that isn't just completely unreasonable |
| 16:42.23 | robtaylor_ | fair enough |
| 16:42.30 | Cwiiis[uni] | robtaylor_: I must say, the kernel code is very interesting though, it's a lot less complex than I thought it'd be :) I don't get the lockFCS function in apm (what it's meant to do, that is), but everything else seems quite simple :) |
| 16:42.43 | robtaylor_ | i'd lend you mine, but its not mine to lend... |
| 16:42.50 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: even with composite working I dont think it should be the default |
| 16:42.59 | mallum | be on by default |
| 16:43.06 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: How come? It looks so nice :) hehe |
| 16:43.10 | robtaylor_ | Cwiiis[uni]: that code you sent me was a *lot* cleaner than the tosa code.. i'll tell you that.. |
| 16:43.29 | Cwiiis[uni] | I must admit, things are a little speedier without though... |
| 16:43.38 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: its likely it could break again at any point and it approx 20% slower |
| 16:44.01 | Cwiiis[uni] | robtaylor_: heh, Notice the race-condition in the resume code though? :) |
| 16:44.07 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: Fair enough then, I won't make it default |
| 16:44.37 | robtaylor_ | Cwiiis[uni]: ah, didn't look that hard =) |
| 16:44.46 | koen | btw "look nice" is the opie motto ;) |
| 16:45.11 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: Do you think you could add some symbolic links in matchbox-wm? (to MBOpus and blondie, symbolic links to directory '../Angelistic/gtk-2.0') |
| 16:45.57 | Cwiiis[uni] | Otherwise I'll have to make some sort of gpe-oz-collateral, which isn't that bad an idea I suppose... Still, up to you anyway |
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| 16:53.27 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: gpe should install a 'Default' gtk theme I think |
| 16:54.08 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: as for blondie and mbopus maybe some gpe base package should do that |
| 16:54.15 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: or angelistic its self ? |
| 16:54.53 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: it all comes down to the GPE project having some kind of structure ;) |
| 16:55.14 | koen | quick, take the soapbox away from mallum |
| 16:55.15 | koen | :P |
| 16:55.29 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: To do that though, I'd have to introduce matchbox-wm ad a dependency of angelistic - I think I'll add a gpe-oz-collateral package that does all these miscellaneous fixes |
| 16:55.48 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: gtk's 'Default' theme is terribly ugly, but I don't want to stop it from being the default, given that it's probably the most reliable |
| 16:55.54 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: wah, why does it need to be a dependancy ? |
| 16:56.21 | koen | Cwiiis[uni]: installing angelistic as the default theme would fix that |
| 16:56.22 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: it just needs to installa a /usr/share/themes/blondie/gtkrc2 or whatever |
| 16:56.32 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: Actually, I guess I could make the MB theme directories in the postinst of angelistic... But that's not very nice :p hehe |
| 16:56.47 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: uh ? |
| 16:56.56 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: look at how the theme dirs are structured |
| 16:57.31 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: The directories for the MB themes won't exist during postinst unless mb-wm is a dependency of angelistic - but I can install the directories and then add links in them |
| 16:57.32 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: eg /usr/share/themes/<theme name>/matchbox|gtk|metacity ... etc |
| 16:57.56 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: why can angelistic just install /usr/share/themes/blondie/gtkrc2 ? |
| 16:58.12 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: I dont see matchbox mentioned there |
| 16:58.34 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: Yes, it could do that, I hadn't thought of that - I've just been linking the gtk-2.0 directory myself, but that's a much saner way of doing it :p |
| 16:59.46 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: or make a matchbox-gtk-themes package or summin which depends on angelistic and just sets up links |
| 17:00.03 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: just look how gnome does it. when you install metacity it dont install a load of gtk themes too |
| 17:00.42 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: I like the matchbox-gtk-themes idea, think I'll do that - thanks :) |
| 17:01.42 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: dont make any mb package dependant on it though |
| 17:02.29 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: No, don't worry, wouldn't :) hehe - That's what I want to avoid, I realise that matchbox gets used without gtk and such |
| 17:02.36 | Cwiiis[uni] | and vice-versa |
| 17:03.10 | mallum | yep, matchbox 0.x anyway ;) |
| 17:03.26 | Cwiiis[uni] | :) |
| 17:06.12 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: I will fix the lowlighting stuff as soon as IBM deliver my new laptop keyboard :) |
| 17:06.18 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: then make new release |
| 17:06.32 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: I backed the held key stuff out though :) |
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| 17:07.44 | koen | mallum: did your dog ate the spacebar? |
| 17:09.17 | koen | 'did' forces the infinitive of the verb to be used, right? |
| 17:09.31 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: hehe, fair enough :) Ends up that the power key held on the zaurus delivers a different key-code anyway :p |
| 17:10.08 | pb_ | koen: yeah |
| 17:10.11 | Cwiiis[uni] | Don't think the others do, but it's not vital for those |
| 17:11.07 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: I hink that may be the most sane way to do it if there is a sane way :) |
| 17:11.23 | mallum | koen: no it just broke |
| 17:11.35 | mallum | koen: dog ate stylus yesterday |
| 17:11.55 | koen | pb_: and 'to look forward to' forces the gerund? |
| 17:12.25 | pb_ | koen: right |
| 17:12.43 | koen | pb_: ok, thanks |
| 17:13.25 | koen | mallum: is your dog hungry or just curious? |
| 17:13.41 | pb_ | or just not very bright |
| 17:14.54 | mallum | koen: there are perpetually hungry |
| 17:15.10 | mallum | koen: they would eat till they were sick and then eat that |
| 17:15.19 | Cwiiis[uni] | argh, didn't notice encompass uses all gnome libs... How annoying :p |
| 17:15.37 | koen | mallum: ugh |
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| 17:17.33 | reenoo | re |
| 17:17.40 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 17:23.52 | reenoo | re koen |
| 17:25.56 | koen | reenoo: banish libxml2 from gst? |
| 17:27.20 | reenoo | well.. that kind of failed |
| 17:27.41 | koen | in that case: relax and watch some tv :) |
| 17:27.55 | reenoo | hehe |
| 17:28.37 | reenoo | it's thursday and I don't think there's _anything_ I'd even remotely want to watch on tv |
| 17:29.08 | reenoo | guess I should follow the #gpe trend and build a myth box |
| 17:30.11 | koen | heh |
| 17:31.27 | reenoo | then again, that would probably make my productivity even worse |
| 17:31.29 | reenoo | heh |
| 17:36.00 | reenoo | oh, right, I was going to respond to kergoth on the oe list |
| 17:39.54 | Cwiiis[uni] | hmm, need to get the collie cut/copy/paste keysyms bound in X... |
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| 17:44.20 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: I dont think most gpe apps have cut/copy/paste options .. |
| 17:50.44 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: More so there's a way to type 'ctrl+c' :p hehe |
| 17:51.12 | Cwiiis[uni] | And they are labelled keys, so may as well make them do what they say :) |
| 17:53.29 | Cwiiis[uni] | Not too much more work to do before 3.5.3 release though :) |
| 17:57.09 | koen | next step would be to append 'depends' recursively |
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| 18:01.35 | pb_ | mallum: gtk implements cut/copy/paste within text fields, without any action required from the application. |
| 18:01.38 | pb_ | you're correct that most gpe programs don't have any explicit copy/paste support, though. |
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| 18:17.19 | Cwiiis[uni] | Selecting text has become awfully slow for gtk apps recently... It used to be fine, anyone know what's up with that? |
| 18:17.42 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: did you turn subpixel antialiasing on ? |
| 18:18.50 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: Unless its been turned on globally, no |
| 18:19.42 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: look at /etc/fonts/local.conf |
| 18:19.59 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: its unlikely that Im just asking out of interest |
| 18:21.09 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:24.35 | mallum | heh, I meant; |
| 18:24.42 | marc__ | hi |
| 18:24.43 | mallum | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.46 | koen | hey mallum |
| 18:24.49 | koen | hmm |
| 18:24.55 | koen | marc__ that is |
| 18:25.00 | mallum | koen: stop stalking me |
| 18:25.02 | marc__ | =) |
| 18:25.40 | marc__ | anyone knows if atmelwlandriver is working fine? because the one installed in 0.8.x is the one from berlios, but this one does not support WPA |
| 18:25.45 | marc__ | and this is bad |
| 18:26.50 | marc__ | ok, so i'll try |
| 18:29.49 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: heh, you're right, it has been enabled :p When did that happen... |
| 18:30.39 | koen | about two days ago |
| 18:30.59 | Cwiiis[uni] | I thought the fonts looked a bit too nice... |
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| 18:31.25 | koen | 4 days |
| 18:31.25 | koen | pb |
| 18:31.25 | koen | 1.3063.1.1 |
| 18:31.27 | koen | install modified /etc/fonts/local.conf to enable subpixel rendering |
| 18:32.44 | Cwiiis[uni] | Maybe I should make a collie specific one that has it disabled... Selection is terribly slow |
| 18:33.09 | Cwiiis[uni] | but it does make the fonts an awful lot nicer and more readable :/ hmmm |
| 18:33.42 | Cwiiis[uni] | hah, selection is still really slow, must be something else :) |
| 18:33.47 | Cwiiis[uni] | That's good/bad :) hehe |
| 18:34.48 | loki1228 | anyone here worked with gpe-mapviewer? |
| 18:35.39 | Cwiiis[uni] | nope |
| 18:37.18 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: I think you can likely avoid it on a deisplay like the collies |
| 18:37.34 | mallum | Cwiiis: subpixel fonts take approx 4x long to piant than regular AA ones |
| 18:38.09 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: did you restart the server after the change ? |
| 18:38.19 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: It's only the selection that seemed slow, and that doesn't seem to have anything to do with it - Perceived speed seems to be fine if you ask me - And the fonts do look visibly nicer |
| 18:38.39 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: The changes apply instantly for newly started applications |
| 18:39.03 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: I would restart X to make sure |
| 18:39.41 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: The difference is quite visible... I might try it later :p hehe |
| 18:39.55 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: Im just saying subpixel is slower than AA , not that its so slow to be usable |
| 18:40.30 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: I think the speed trade-off is definitely worth it :) I tried it out a while ago, around the release of 3.5.1 and it didn't look nearly as nice as it does now |
| 18:40.30 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: Selections would make slowness apparent thus my suggestion |
| 18:40.36 | marc__ | hmm, when ipkg fails to installs a package thats given on the command line saying "can't find package", what can i do? |
| 18:40.57 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: yeah nobody noticed for ages that subpixel was off though :) |
| 18:41.04 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: I did :p hehe |
| 18:41.14 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: ( I did though too, and fixed it :) ) |
| 18:41.26 | Cwiiis[uni] | didn't notice it come back on though, until turning it off again :) |
| 18:41.35 | Cwiiis[uni] | er, s/back on/on/ |
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| 18:49.13 | Cwiiis[uni] | hmm... Someone needs to write a config program for the mb-wm key launch program... Might add that to my todo list :) |
| 18:50.31 | marc__ | is it normal that oe fails with 'unable to fetch' even if I can download by copy/paste its url? |
| 18:52.16 | Cwiiis[uni] | marc__: No - That happens to me (well, all tasks fail, not just fetch) when debian updates python sometimes |
| 18:52.52 | marc__ | the strange thing is that it's working for some packages |
| 18:53.02 | Cwiiis[uni] | That's odd |
| 18:53.06 | marc__ | for example i can't download pkgconfig or modutils :/ |
| 18:53.16 | Cwiiis[uni] | Well, I'm off home, hope you sort that out |
| 18:53.19 | marc__ | (i'm using deb) |
| 18:53.23 | marc__ | ;) |
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| 19:02.27 | marc__ | can't use WPA, usbnet freezes the ipaq... is it possible to have network over serial? |
| 19:02.42 | koen | see the ppphowto |
| 19:03.08 | marc__ | k thx |
| 19:03.33 | reenoo | ~stab ipkg-make-index |
| 19:03.35 | ibot | ACTION runs at ipkg-make-index with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 19:06.29 | reenoo | (it's doing its "move everything to morgue/" thing again) |
| 19:11.41 | koen | 0.8.1 feeds are in place |
| 19:14.10 | reenoo | it works from inside a "bitbake *-image" but fails when run manually |
| 19:18.00 | marc__ | are the kernel compiled using oe? |
| 19:18.22 | koen | marc__: everything is |
| 19:19.38 | marc__ | ok, so in principle a "bitbake linux" should compile the good stuff ? |
| 19:19.51 | koen | bitbake virtual/kernel, and yes :) |
| 19:20.38 | marc__ | k |
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| 19:23.50 | marc__ | grrr, oe still doesn't want to fetch anything |
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| 19:32.50 | marc__ | any easy way to have the same tree as the one used for 0.8.1? |
| 19:33.19 | koen | http://familiar.handhelds.org/source/v0.8.1/OE-20050222.tar.bz2 |
| 19:33.42 | marc__ | wow :) |
| 19:33.46 | koen | you will need to adapt the local.conf fit your BBFILES |
| 19:33.51 | marc__ | ok |
| 19:34.59 | marc__ | thx |
| 19:41.06 | reenoo | pb_: wb |
| 19:41.53 | reenoo | pb_: is gpe-nmf intended to not RRECOMMEND at least a basic set of gst-plugin-* packages? |
| 19:42.02 | pb_ | no, that's a bug |
| 19:42.16 | pb_ | it should RRECOMMEND (or perhaps even RDEPEND on) whatever plugins it needs to work |
| 19:46.18 | reenoo | pb_: ok, I'll play with it a bit (install a few plugins) and add some RRECOMMENDS/RDEPENDS |
| 19:46.22 | pb_ | cool |
| 19:49.27 | reenoo | pb_: what does gpe-bluetooth do when you select "switch radio off" btw? if I do that the pan connection is restored after suspend/resume + "switch radio on", otherwise things appear to be in an incosnistent state and I have to log out to get a new connection |
| 19:49.54 | pb_ | reenoo: it stops hciattach. |
| 19:50.11 | pb_ | that should be happening automatically on suspend, but maybe it isn't. |
| 19:50.26 | reenoo | aha |
| 19:50.26 | pb_ | it'd be worth comparing the suspend scripts with their 0.7 counterparts to see what's up. |
| 19:50.58 | reenoo | well, actually that has never worked for me... |
| 19:51.06 | pb_ | ah. |
| 19:51.07 | pb_ | hm. |
| 19:52.37 | pb_ | well, the way it's _meant_ to work is that the resume scripts do "killall -HUP hciattach" or some such. |
| 19:53.03 | pb_ | gpe-bluetooth will notice that and automatically restart hciattach without any user intervention. |
| 19:55.38 | reenoo | I take it that would be done in a script in /etc/apm/resume.d/ ? |
| 19:56.00 | pb_ | yeah |
| 19:56.29 | reenoo | gotcha.. there is no such script (in tmp/rootfs anyway) |
| 19:56.42 | pb_ | though it might be a bit neater for gpe-bluetooth to hook into /dev/apm_bios and take care of that stuff all on its own. |
| 19:57.15 | pb_ | that way you'd be sure of killing only the correct process, not any other random processes that might be named "hciattach". |
| 19:57.44 | reenoo | hmm.. good point |
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| 20:13.23 | Tygger-Bob | Woohoo.. |
| 20:13.52 | pb_ | Tygger-Bob: congratulations! |
| 20:13.55 | koen | Tygger-Bob: congrats |
| 20:14.21 | Tygger-Bob | four more letters at the end of my email signature!!! ;) |
| 20:14.35 | koen | reenoo: if you want to raise your blood pressure read http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9802 |
| 20:17.29 | reenoo | congrats, Tygger-Bob! |
| 20:17.38 | reenoo | koen: no, not at the moment |
| 20:17.40 | reenoo | bbl |
| 20:20.14 | koen | Tygger-Bob: what does GCIH stand for btw? |
| 20:20.31 | Tygger-Bob | GIAC Certified Incident Handler. |
| 20:20.42 | Tygger-Bob | It's the "Don't Panic" certification |
| 20:21.10 | Tygger-Bob | brb |
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| 20:27.38 | Tygger_Bob | Back |
| 20:27.47 | koen | wb |
| 20:28.01 | reenoo | haha |
| 20:28.43 | reenoo | "Blah. From where I am standing, it's all sad and boring." <- sounds like someone ought to look for a new job/activity |
| 20:28.51 | koen | hehe |
| 20:36.57 | reenoo | heh. looks like the fsf people have a new website. and rms has a blog. |
| 20:37.48 | koen | plone |
| 20:37.56 | reenoo | yeah |
| 20:56.26 | reenoo | pb_: the killall -HUP hciattach does the trick. thanks |
| 20:57.32 | pb_ | reenoo: very good |
| 21:00.17 | reenoo | heh |
| 21:00.18 | reenoo | $ ls tmp/deploy/ipk/gst-plugin-*|grep -v -- -dev | wc -l |
| 21:00.19 | reenoo | 116 |
| 21:00.43 | reenoo | that's a bunch of plugins to choose from >:) |
| 21:03.30 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:03.44 | pb_ | quite a lot of those are probably video-related |
| 21:05.22 | reenoo | yeah, especially since I have all sorts of audio/video libs in staging (bitbake vlc-gpe...) |
| 21:06.43 | reenoo | hmm |
| 21:07.23 | reenoo | "Rebuilding global_registry (/var/cache/gstreamer-0.8/registry.xml)" |
| 21:07.38 | reenoo | that won't survive a reset |
| 21:08.00 | pb_ | that's ok |
| 21:08.28 | pb_ | iirc, it gets rebuilt at boot time |
| 21:09.05 | reenoo | ah, cool |
| 21:25.18 | reenoo | pb_: after a reset (low battery) there is no /var/cache/gstreamer-0.8/ any more. I guess we need some init script that calls gst-register, right? |
| 21:34.36 | pb_ | yeah |
| 21:34.53 | pb_ | I thought we had one, but it might have been only in the netbook oe tree. |
| 21:35.08 | pb_ | want to go ahead and add one to the gstreamer package? |
| 21:37.41 | reenoo | once I get gpe-nmf to play something, maybe ;) |
| 21:38.20 | reenoo | I'm kind of lost as to which plugins I need to get ogg playback to work |
| 21:39.20 | pb_ | probably gnomevfssrc, spider, ivorbisdec and esdsink as a start. |
| 21:39.52 | pb_ | maybe filesrc rather than gnomevfssrc. I don't recall which one gpe-nmf is set up to use. |
| 21:40.10 | pb_ | you could experiment on the commandline: gst-launch filesrc location="file.ogg" ! spider ! esdsink, or some such. |
| 21:40.20 | pb_ | if esdsink doesn't work, could also try osssink. |
| 21:43.34 | reenoo | ERROR: from element /pipeline0/spider0/sink_ident: Could not determine type of stream. |
| 21:43.51 | reenoo | at least I've got an error message now :) |
| 21:45.36 | pb_ | try ivorbisdec instead of spider |
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| 21:48.17 | reenoo | WARNING: erroneous pipeline: no element "ivorbisdec" <-- looks like installing gst-plugin-ivorbis isn't sufficient |
| 21:48.53 | pb_ | ah, maybe it isn't actually called ivorbis. |
| 21:48.58 | pb_ | er, called ivorbisdec |
| 21:49.12 | pb_ | it's also possible that there's some missing dependency preventing it from being loaded. |
| 21:49.28 | pb_ | run gst-register by hand and eyeball the output to see if it says it's registered any plugins with "ivorbis" in the name. |
| 21:49.45 | pb_ | also, run ldd on that plugin, and see if it has any unresolved dependencies |
| 21:51.06 | reenoo | hmm.. there's a vbidec |
| 21:51.51 | koen | vbi? isn't that used as videotext/teletext? |
| 21:52.03 | reenoo | I don't know (TM) |
| 21:52.08 | pb_ | yeah, what koen said |
| 21:52.11 | pb_ | that's not related to vorbis |
| 21:52.19 | reenoo | heh. ok |
| 21:52.27 | pb_ | vbi is "vertical blanking interval" or something, in that context. |
| 21:54.12 | koen | iirc macrovision uses vbi too |
| 21:55.34 | pb_ | yeah, it does crazy stuff with luminance during the blanking period in order to upset the AGC circuit in VCRs. |
| 21:56.38 | koen | ah yes, instead of full black it does full white to upset the decoder |
| 21:56.55 | koen | the philips tuners work around that |
| 21:57.02 | koen | and cablecrypt too |
| 21:58.21 | pb_ | yup, that particular trick was only really effective with old equipment. |
| 21:59.30 | pb_ | the other thing that macrovision used to do was jitter the vertical sync around so that a VCR wouldn't be able to achieve timing lock with its head. You can fix that by re-timing the signal, but it's relatively complicated. |
| 22:00.23 | pb_ | but, again, that measure is ineffectual if you are recording digitally. |
| 22:00.35 | koen | yeah |
| 22:01.21 | koen | on the bright side: all DRM measures are broken by design |
| 22:01.56 | pb_ | I don't know what the current state of the art is with macrovision. Last time I looked at that was when I was working at FutureTV, probably in 2001 or so. |
| 22:02.50 | koen | they are all digital now I've heard |
| 22:03.01 | koen | no details on it, though |
| 22:05.16 | pb_ | ah cool, my dishwasher is working again. |
| 22:05.24 | pb_ | I was getting quite fed up with washing up by hand. |
| 22:06.41 | koen | heh |
| 22:06.54 | flypiper | pb_, I kinda figured you had maids for that :-) |
| 22:08.07 | pb_ | heh |
| 22:08.12 | pb_ | ~herring flypiper |
| 22:08.14 | ibot | ACTION whacks flypiper on the side of the head with a large red herring named alfred |
| 22:09.09 | reenoo | alfred... I love that |
| 22:12.38 | flypiper | OK.. I will go back to putting intimate on my 3700 :-) |
| 22:12.53 | pb_ | hehe |
| 22:13.14 | flypiper | have to find a cloth to wipe off the fish slime first :-\ |
| 22:18.33 | reenoo | hrm, I can't get this to work |
| 22:20.52 | reenoo | "gst-launch filesrc location="ramdisk/herenthere10.ogg" ! tremor ! osssink" appears to do *something* at least. still it fails with "ERROR: from element /pipeline0/ivorbisfile0: Could not decode stream." |
| 22:21.19 | pb_ | hrm |
| 22:21.22 | pb_ | that's not so good |
| 22:22.00 | reenoo | and the mad plugin doesn't even show up in gst-inspect |
| 22:23.58 | koen | reenoo: do you have a wav file to test with? |
| 22:24.13 | reenoo | doubt it |
| 22:25.36 | pb_ | reenoo: is libmad installed? |
| 22:25.45 | reenoo | pb_: yes |
| 22:26.06 | pb_ | ah, I guess it must have a concealed dependency on some other plugin. |
| 22:26.22 | pb_ | I can never remember how you find those out. |
| 22:26.26 | pb_ | I don't think gst-register tells you. |
| 22:27.14 | reenoo | no, not even with --gst-plugin-spew which is supposed to output errors loading plugins |
| 22:27.56 | pb_ | gst-plugin-audio and gst-plugin-audioconvert sound like likely suspects. |
| 22:27.58 | pb_ | do you have those? |
| 22:28.12 | pb_ | oh, and gst-plugin-tagedit |
| 22:30.01 | reenoo | ah, I was missing audioconvert and tagedit |
| 22:41.15 | koen | 'night all |
| 22:41.21 | reenoo | 'night koen |
| 22:44.43 | reenoo | ok, mad works now. spider still busted |
| 22:45.51 | reenoo | (which gpe-nmf probably relies on) |
| 22:56.56 | pb_ | yeah |
| 22:58.10 | reenoo | too bad.. |
| 22:58.23 | pb_ | do you have gst-plugin-typefindfunctions? I guess spider needs that. |
| 22:59.03 | reenoo | heh. probaly not >:) |
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| 23:00.35 | reenoo | yay |
| 23:00.43 | reenoo | ~hail pb_ |
| 23:00.45 | ibot | ACTION bows down to pb_ and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 23:04.02 | p0m | Heh. |
| 23:06.16 | reenoo | hrm |
| 23:06.45 | reenoo | pb_: any idea why playback in gpe-nmf still fails even if things work fine with gst-launch? |
| 23:07.04 | reenoo | player 0x7ccd0: play item 0xf6bf0 [/home/r/ramdisk/ma-hm.mp3] |
| 23:07.04 | reenoo | Element creation failed |
| 23:07.34 | pb_ | let me have a look |
| 23:08.10 | pb_ | ah, it also needs gst-plugin-volume |
| 23:08.13 | pb_ | do you have that one? |
| 23:10.50 | p0m | Ok, so I don't need the adapter, lol. |
| 23:11.09 | reenoo | yay |
| 23:11.20 | reenoo | proper mp3 playback in gpe-nmf :) |
| 23:11.26 | pb_ | very good |
| 23:11.35 | pb_ | would you fix the dependencies in oe? |
| 23:12.14 | reenoo | I'll look into that, yeah |
| 23:12.43 | pb_ | thanks |
| 23:13.26 | reenoo | I'll have to check a few things first because I have a lot more multimedia libs installed than what's in the gstreamer (or gst-plugins) DEPENDS |
| 23:13.44 | reenoo | s/installed/in staging/ |
| 23:19.52 | pb_ | I think the problem is the RDEPENDS on the various plugins (and gpe-nmf), not the DEPENDS. |
| 23:19.59 | pb_ | The contents of your staging area probably don't matter. |
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| 23:24.23 | reenoo | well.. there's an audiofile which uses libaudiofile and appears to be required for the vorbis plugin here. |
| 23:24.27 | reenoo | err |
| 23:24.39 | reenoo | s/audiofile/audiofile plugin/ |
| 23:25.36 | reenoo | (and the audiofile package isn't in any of the involved .bbs' DEPENDS) |
| 23:26.04 | pb_ | ah |
| 23:26.29 | pb_ | the vorbis plugin is different to the tremor plugin, though. |
| 23:26.36 | pb_ | I don't think the latter uses audiofile. |
| 23:27.54 | reenoo | right, the tremor plugin doesn't |