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| 00:25.39 | reenoo | 'night all |
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| 00:42.31 | florian | good night |
| 00:45.14 | pb_ | night florian |
| 01:02.40 | Cwiiis | Maybe I shouldn't use the glib timers for this... They keep reporting 0.5xxxxx as the time-elapsed... |
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| 08:13.19 | koen | good morning all |
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| 09:02.07 | koen | hey tigrux |
| 09:02.34 | tigrux | Hello koen |
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| 09:21.45 | koen | hey p0m |
| 09:21.52 | p0m | Hey koen. |
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| 09:29.04 | rob_w | hi |
| 09:29.11 | koen | hey rob_w |
| 09:29.55 | rob_w | hi koen ,, what resolution does a ipaq run 320x240, right ? |
| 09:30.01 | koen | yes |
| 09:30.10 | koen | the hx4700 does 640x480 |
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| 09:37.56 | florian_kc | hi all |
| 09:38.20 | koen | hey florian_kc |
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| 09:47.01 | florian_kc | hi koen|breakfast |
| 09:53.55 | florian_kc | hi hadess |
| 09:58.51 | hadess | hey florian_kc |
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| 10:04.17 | reenoo | morning |
| 10:04.25 | p0m | Morning. |
| 10:04.43 | florian_kc | morning reenoo, mornin p0m |
| 10:04.51 | reenoo | moin florian_kc |
| 10:04.55 | reenoo | hey p0m |
| 10:04.55 | koen | hey reenoo and hadess |
| 10:05.01 | reenoo | yo koen |
| 10:05.29 | hadess | hey koen |
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| 10:54.21 | koen | aargh |
| 10:54.33 | koen | gnuplot keeps choking on softfloat |
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| 11:13.48 | florian_kc | hey pb_ |
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| 11:16.46 | pb_ | florian_kc: good morning! |
| 11:16.49 | pb_ | zecke: good morning! |
| 11:17.02 | zecke | hey |
| 11:17.25 | florian_kc | hi zecke |
| 11:25.45 | koen | hey pb_ & zecke |
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| 11:39.05 | koen | hey Cwiiis[uni] |
| 11:40.06 | Cwiiis[uni] | Hey koen |
| 11:41.02 | Cwiiis[uni] | damn labs setup... Back in a bit, gotta restart... |
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| 14:24.51 | Cwiiis[uni] | wow, minimo is nice :) Crashes for me on slashdot.org though.. |
| 14:24.56 | Cwiiis[uni] | Out of memory I'd guess |
| 14:25.26 | koen|train | I guess minimo got slashdotted ;) |
| 14:25.39 | reenoo | heh |
| 14:25.56 | reenoo | it's probably their broken new CSS |
| 14:27.49 | reenoo | well.. not particularly new anymore. just broken |
| 14:28.04 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen|train: Nice :) |
| 14:28.30 | Cwiiis[uni] | ah yes, osnews works... I guess slashdot is broken :) hehe |
| 14:29.40 | Cwiiis[uni] | Hope they add labels on those icons soon.. Very nice though :) |
| 14:30.11 | koen|train | dougt had some difficulties with icons sizes iirc |
| 14:32.15 | reenoo | what size is a current minimo build? (du when installed) |
| 14:32.53 | reenoo | (du as in man 1 du) |
| 14:35.06 | pb_ | heh. what other kind of du were you thinking of? |
| 14:38.48 | Cwiiis[uni] | reenoo: Minimo + deps over a standard gpe-image is 15.2 megs installed |
| 14:38.54 | Cwiiis[uni] | (libstdc++6, libxt) |
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| 14:41.38 | koen|train | ah, that's better |
| 14:42.27 | koen|train | ~lart me |
| 14:42.44 | koen|train | I forgot to buy train tickets to FOSDEM, again |
| 14:45.54 | koen|train | florian_kc: are you and nils bringing any gpe merchandise with you? |
| 14:46.07 | koen|train | (to FOSDEM) |
| 14:52.38 | florian_kc | koen|train: there isn't too much for gpe, there should be still some t-shirts. |
| 14:55.53 | koen|train | I wonder if team opie has t-shirts |
| 14:58.40 | florian_kc | hmmm i think so |
| 14:58.48 | koen|train | damn |
| 14:59.05 | koen|train | ours are better anyway |
| 14:59.17 | florian_kc | *gg* |
| 15:01.25 | reenoo | pb_: "Du" is a german word |
| 15:01.32 | reenoo | (you) |
| 15:02.07 | reenoo | Cwiiis: does it use any C++ code? or is that just the usual libtool breakage? |
| 15:02.30 | reenoo | s/any C++ code/anything from libstdc++/ |
| 15:03.46 | koen|train | has the webcore project done something usefull the last few months? |
| 15:04.13 | reenoo | they've finally put stuff into a public CVS now |
| 15:04.32 | reenoo | see gtk-webcore-devel archives on SF.net |
| 15:04.34 | koen|train | their "firewall" went away? |
| 15:05.05 | reenoo | probably not |
| 15:05.12 | florian_kc | sounds good... we really need to debug their stuff in oe. |
| 15:05.51 | reenoo | according to some (very vague) changelog they've fixed a bunch of segfaults |
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| 15:05.58 | florian_kc | gtk-webcore would be really useful for all sorts of small devices... |
| 15:06.24 | reenoo | so, maybe we're lucky and a cvs build will magically work |
| 15:08.23 | reenoo | florian_kc: yeah. especially since it's just 4-5MB in size. |
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| 15:09.15 | koen|train | some form of hope for the 16mb people |
| 15:10.49 | koen|train | when someone spanks Cguys maybe the h1900 people can have internet too |
| 15:11.41 | koen|train | or any other company with SDIO wlan cards |
| 15:13.01 | koen|train | did I forgot some gpe stuff on http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/FamiliarChangeLog ? |
| 15:13.11 | koen|train | forget* |
| 15:16.56 | florian_kc | reenoo: yeah that would be worth a try. |
| 15:18.12 | florian_kc | reenoo: another nice target would be all sorts of simple thinclient hardware like these Netvistas and friends. |
| 15:21.27 | koen|train | bbl |
| 15:26.50 | pb_ | mm, yeah, it would have been nice to get some new GPE merchandise done. I forgot about it, though, and I don't think there is enough time now to have anything printed before FOSDEM. |
| 15:26.57 | pb_ | I think I have a few t-shirts left. |
| 15:30.29 | florian_kc | hmmm right... |
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| 15:51.37 | hadess | yo mallum |
| 15:52.12 | hadess | mallum: you hardware geek, would you have an extension for a wireless antenna (you know, the little bit to plug in a minipci card, to the real antenna) |
| 15:52.42 | mallum | hadess: Im not that much of a hardware geek |
| 15:52.54 | hadess | well, more than me... |
| 15:53.03 | mallum | hadess: yeah probably |
| 15:53.15 | mallum | hadess: what are them things call a pigtail or summin |
| 15:53.26 | mallum | hadess: I dont have one though Im afraid :( |
| 15:53.26 | hadess | ENOCLUE |
| 15:53.46 | mallum | wha |
| 15:54.42 | hadess | yeah, pigtail |
| 15:55.27 | florian_kc | hmm... i bought one on Linuxtag last year... some OpenBSD guys sold them. |
| 15:56.22 | mallum | florian_kc: togeathe rwith guns and big knives ? |
| 15:56.41 | mallum | florian_kc: and stupid posters of fish |
| 16:01.26 | Cwiiis[uni] | vlc-gpe doesn't work... but mplayer does :) |
| 16:01.48 | pb_ | hi jg |
| 16:21.16 | florian_kc | heh |
| 16:21.31 | florian_kc | mallum: heh no, fish posters are for free :-) |
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| 16:31.27 | rob_w | blob |
| 16:39.06 | florian_kc | hi rob_w |
| 16:42.16 | rob_w | sir |
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| 17:00.25 | jg | hi pb_, it was good to see you. I hope it was a fun trip |
| 17:09.59 | pb_ | jg: likewise. yep, I enjoyed it: certainly some interesting stuff going on with X these days. |
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| 17:39.10 | WishX | i'm trying to get my cf card working, but when i ipkg kernel-module-ide-probe-mod, it tells me there is nothing to be done |
| 17:40.41 | koen | WishX: what does modprobe ide-probe-mod say? |
| 17:43.48 | WishX | koen, modprobe: module ide-probe-mod not found modprobe: failed to load module ide-probe-mod |
| 17:44.37 | koen | and ipkg install kernel-module-ide-probe-mod says it is installed? |
| 17:47.08 | WishX | actually it says it cannot find the package |
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| 18:12.26 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: I'm working on a patch for gpe-login for stylus-hold recalibration... It almost works, just working out a few bugs and things - want to implement button-hold with keylaunch? :) hehe |
| 18:13.30 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: keylaunch ? |
| 18:13.41 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: dont you mean matchbox ? |
| 18:14.53 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: Yes, I do, sorry |
| 18:15.06 | Cwiiis[uni] | I hope that wasn't too insulting :) |
| 18:15.20 | mallum | hehe |
| 18:15.28 | mallum | well it was and now Im not going to do it |
| 18:16.00 | Cwiiis[uni] | Pretty please? :) |
| 18:16.10 | Cwiiis[uni] | Come to Southampton, I'll buy you a beer! |
| 18:16.10 | mallum | its actually quite a bit of ork |
| 18:16.12 | mallum | work |
| 18:16.23 | mallum | urg definetly not doing it now ;) |
| 18:16.29 | Cwiiis[uni] | hehe |
| 18:16.43 | Cwiiis[uni] | Does the idea not fit in well with the current code? |
| 18:17.43 | mallum | well it needs to be able to parse ( from config ) and then store keys abstractly which should be held |
| 18:17.47 | mallum | that bit is not too hard |
| 18:18.10 | mallum | but then you have to put it in the event loop to deal with the timeout and then you have problems with key repeat etc |
| 18:18.32 | mallum | hacking X keyboard is not fun - have a look at keys.c in mb source for example |
| 18:19.08 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.46 | mallum | I wouldn't describe any of xlib as fun |
| 18:21.07 | Cwiiis[uni] | hmm :/ |
| 18:21.40 | Cwiiis[uni] | Incidentally, I think it'd be nice if matchbox-remote got rid of the matchbox-panel menu if it's already up when called with the -mbmenu command |
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| 18:22.17 | mallum | also mb handles key press events rather than releases, so I dont know how hat fits |
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| 18:23.08 | mallum | i.e. how will it work if a key has two actions, its going to get ugly |
| 18:23.36 | mallum | I dont want to make everything work on releases just for the sake of copying a dumb ce-ism ;) |
| 18:23.50 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: A Zaurus-ism as well :p hehe |
| 18:24.41 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: Couldn't a timer be started on a key-down and key-release of that key checks the time and launches the appropriate app? Or is it not as simple as that, with key-repeats and such? |
| 18:25.07 | mallum | yeah its kind of like doing that |
| 18:25.18 | mallum | but you still want most stuff to work on key down |
| 18:25.29 | mallum | only kick the timer in if key has two actions |
| 18:25.37 | mallum | then do it on release after a short time |
| 18:25.51 | mallum | or do the second action if held for a long time |
| 18:25.55 | mallum | see how crack it is |
| 18:32.40 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: It doesn't sound like it'd be *too* hard, but then I've never used Xlib before :p hehe |
| 18:32.43 | mallum | Cwiiis: if you want to hack the actual parser and set something in the kbdconfig struct that held is set I can hack the actual events |
| 18:32.51 | mallum | Cwiiis: no xlib invloved |
| 18:33.24 | mallum | Cwiiis: I guess you would have something like <held>p=do_crack and p=do_more_crack like entrys |
| 18:34.03 | mallum | Cwiiis: but the entrys in the struct for p and <held>p need to be flagged up some how so if p is pressed, mb knows its a crack key |
| 18:36.28 | Cwiiis[uni] | Ah, I see the difficulty with the code... I guess it's hard to represent holding with the current ability of being able to use multiple modifiers and such.. Holding would need to be mutually exclusive with multiple keys, sensibly, I suppose |
| 18:36.43 | Cwiiis[uni] | I'll have a look at it when I get home |
| 18:37.01 | koen | holding is a special case of multikey (or vice versa) |
| 18:37.25 | Cwiiis[uni] | mm |
| 18:37.36 | koen | s/is/should be/ |
| 18:37.48 | Cwiiis[uni] | I need to fix my gpe-login patch properly first though I suppose |
| 18:37.59 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: I dont think that would be too much of a problem |
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| 18:38.16 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: you are very unlikely to use the compose/multikey for a key shortcut |
| 18:38.44 | koen | mallum: can mb support autorotate on keypress? |
| 18:38.51 | koen | or a mechanism to do so? |
| 18:39.23 | koen | on a Z it needs to listen to keycode 110, and it seems mb allready grabs it |
| 18:39.55 | mallum | what keysym is 110 ? |
| 18:40.08 | koen | 0x0 according to xev |
| 18:40.27 | mallum | well you need to map it to a keysym first ( via xmodmap ) |
| 18:40.30 | koen | it's the tiny button beneath the swivel |
| 18:40.54 | mallum | then in mb keyboard config do like |
| 18:41.11 | mallum | XF_KOENS_KEYSYM=randr-hack.sh |
| 18:41.25 | mallum | randr-hack.sh being the shell script the little panel hack calls |
| 18:41.40 | mallum | then it would work |
| 18:41.44 | mallum | I have done this before |
| 18:41.56 | mallum | you need to map it to a keysym though |
| 18:42.20 | mallum | its something like xmodmap -k 101 SOME_KEYSYM_NAME |
| 18:44.04 | Cwiiis[uni] | hmm... openzaurus could do with sudo, need to call apm with elevated priveleges for it to work |
| 18:46.16 | pb_ | apm should be setuid |
| 18:46.35 | Cwiiis[uni] | pb_: Even when it is, it fails |
| 18:46.53 | pb_ | Then that's a bug in apm. |
| 18:46.57 | koen | mallum: I can just invent keysym name? |
| 18:48.31 | mallum | koen: no no no |
| 18:48.37 | mallum | koen: YOU MUST OBEY |
| 18:48.42 | mallum | koen: xkeysym.h |
| 18:49.10 | mallum | try and pick something relevant |
| 18:49.20 | mallum | like XK_ZAURUS_DISPLAY_ROTATE |
| 18:49.22 | mallum | hehe |
| 18:51.34 | Cwiiis[uni] | pb_: The killall command fails though, saying operation not permitted - Wouldn't that mean that the suid is being ignored? |
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| 18:53.46 | koen|afk | bbl |
| 18:56.34 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: Another nice thing btw, would be if matchbox-desktop centre-aligned the array of icons |
| 18:59.05 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: uh ? it does dont it ? |
| 18:59.12 | pb_ | Cwiiis[uni]: which killall command is that? |
| 18:59.32 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: I plan to rewrite the desktop with gtk as soon as gtk 2.8 is released |
| 18:59.38 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: btw |
| 19:00.29 | Cwiiis[uni] | pb_: 'killall -USR1 apmd' |
| 19:00.49 | pb_ | eh, why is apm doing that? |
| 19:01.26 | Cwiiis[uni] | pb_: When that works, it turns off the collie |
| 19:01.31 | pb_ | oh, this is the crazy workaround for old broken sharp kernels? |
| 19:01.35 | Cwiiis[uni] | pb_: Yup |
| 19:01.40 | pb_ | that's just wrong and unsupported, then. you can't have setuid scripts. |
| 19:01.55 | Cwiiis[uni] | let me check it definitely doesn't work the correct way... |
| 19:02.07 | pb_ | I thought someone had fixed the kernel so that it did. |
| 19:03.08 | Cwiiis[uni] | pb_: That fails with 'Cannot open APM device: No such file or directory' |
| 19:03.19 | pb_ | That means your apm binary is looking in the wrong place. |
| 19:03.37 | pb_ | either /dev/misc/apm_bios or /dev/apm_bios. |
| 19:04.27 | Cwiiis[uni] | oh of course, an Xsession script removes that because it doesn't work... Let me check if it does now though |
| 19:07.31 | Cwiiis[uni] | grr, busybox's grep doesn't support -R... |
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| 19:12.53 | Cwiiis[uni] | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.28879.png - minimo on collie :) |
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| 19:20.48 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: It doesn't do that, no |
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| 19:50.30 | koen | do we want a hh.org frontpage announcement for the opensync thing? |
| 19:51.06 | florian_kc | koen: maybe... but not before it is really included. |
| 19:52.12 | koen | indeed |
| 19:54.02 | koen | france said he would like more frontpage stories, so I try to encourage peoplle to do so |
| 19:55.33 | florian_kc | ah okay... i think we should have one for gpe meeting at fosdem and gpe booth at cebit |
| 19:55.45 | koen | me too |
| 19:55.54 | koen | can you poke nilsf? |
| 19:56.02 | florian_kc | *g* |
| 19:56.42 | koen | you are our nilsf-poking-proxy, after all :) |
| 19:57.05 | florian_kc | he has some other stuff to write... i'll do this later :-) |
| 20:00.16 | koen|afk | bll |
| 20:02.58 | Cwiiis[uni] | Would you expect that gpe-login, when it creates a new user, that it put them in relevant groups? (like users, audio, etc.) |
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| 20:11.02 | reenoo_ | re |
| 20:24.47 | Cwiiis[uni] | right, going home... biab |
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| 20:35.11 | dougt | hi all. |
| 20:39.05 | dougt | anyone know what version of gtk GPE is using (device isn't w/ me atm) |
| 20:39.59 | reenoo_ | depends on the image/version I guess |
| 20:40.24 | dougt | is 2.6 in anything? |
| 20:40.47 | dougt | i guess I could do something like " #ifdef GTK_VERSION > 2.6", right? |
| 20:40.47 | reenoo_ | 2.6.2 is in OE |
| 20:40.56 | dougt | oh, really? |
| 20:41.10 | reenoo_ | yeah |
| 20:41.13 | dougt | in my oe build, when I do a bitbake minimo, i get 2.4.x |
| 20:41.18 | dougt | .bb is probably wrong. |
| 20:42.13 | reenoo_ | sounds like you've set DISTRO="familiar-0.8.0" |
| 20:42.37 | dougt | yeah. |
| 20:43.21 | dougt | i guess the thing is, I want to keep the code in minimo so that alot of people can use it. if I start using gtk2.6 widgets, am I going to start excluding many people? |
| 20:44.13 | reenoo_ | everyone not running a current familiar snapshot |
| 20:44.43 | reenoo_ | 2.6 was added after the 0.8.0 release |
| 20:45.41 | dougt | okay. |
| 20:46.48 | dougt | do you know if it is a pita to upgrade to 2.6. |
| 20:47.02 | reenoo_ | it shouldn't be |
| 20:47.31 | dougt | so, if I said something like, to use the latest version of minimo you need 2.6, that would be okay? |
| 20:47.34 | reenoo_ | (since it's claimed to be source and ABI compatible) |
| 20:47.53 | dougt | okay. |
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| 20:48.18 | pb_ | evening all |
| 20:48.24 | reenoo_ | evening pb_ |
| 20:48.38 | dougt | hi pb. |
| 20:48.49 | dougt | i was just talking to reenoo_ about gtk2.6 |
| 20:49.03 | pb_ | hi dougt |
| 20:49.07 | dougt | i was thinking about using a widget in minimo that was only in 2.6 or better. |
| 20:49.11 | dougt | would that be terrible? |
| 20:49.29 | pb_ | no, that would be fine |
| 20:49.44 | pb_ | we ship gtk 2.6 as standard nowadays |
| 20:50.47 | dougt | okay! |
| 20:52.35 | dougt | so, when I do a bitbake minimo, what do I need to change to ensure that gtk2.6 is pulled? I think right now it is grabbing 2.4.13 |
| 20:52.44 | dougt | let me check the .bb |
| 20:53.35 | dougt | nope. |
| 20:53.43 | reenoo_ | dougt: you won't find anything in any .bb. familiar-0.8.0.conf is locking gtk+ to 2.4.13 |
| 20:54.36 | reenoo_ | either modify it or use DISTRO="familiar" |
| 20:54.50 | dougt | oh, sure. |
| 21:02.24 | pb_ | mm. I think familiar-0.8.0 and its friends should be setting all those variables with ?=, so you can override them in local.conf. |
| 21:03.07 | reenoo_ | PREFERRED_VERSION_gtk+ = "2.4.13" |
| 21:03.12 | pb_ | also, we should possibly make gtk+-2.6.* provide "gtk-2.6", so programs requiring new features can depend on that. |
| 21:03.38 | reenoo_ | good point |
| 21:04.41 | pb_ | or, of course, someone could teach bitbake to understand some kind of >= version constraint. |
| 21:08.17 | reenoo_ | doh |
| 21:09.36 | reenoo_ | ~lart zecke for bumping PR on glibc |
| 21:12.33 | reenoo_ | right, this will take a while |
| 21:17.47 | koen | re |
| 21:25.44 | koen | dougt: use DISTRO="familiar-0.8.1.conf" that should always be buildable and using pretty much the latest stuff |
| 21:27.41 | mallum | did anyone try an old mb to see if compositer worked on current X ? |
| 21:33.35 | koen | mallum: ever tried controlling your mindstorm with your h3870? |
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| 21:37.11 | florian_ | re |
| 21:37.31 | koen | hey florian_ |
| 21:47.44 | pb_ | florian_: good evening |
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| 21:52.05 | koen | is teleport in the default images? |
| 21:52.38 | pb_ | dunno. if it isn't, it should be. |
| 21:54.32 | florian_ | indeed |
| 21:54.53 | koen | looks like it isn't |
| 21:55.06 | koen | (or grep isn't liking me) |
| 21:55.48 | Maggux | I am looking also for that teleport-thing, I haven't found it too |
| 21:58.02 | koen | pb_: add it to gpe-task-base? |
| 21:59.41 | Cwiiis | mallum: That's on my to-do list, I'll compile an image now |
| 22:00.08 | Cwiiis | well, I'll compile the packages, that'd be easier :p hehe |
| 22:00.49 | Cwiiis | mallum: What version would you suggest I try? Any 0.8.x? |
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| 22:04.42 | koen | 23:02 < CIA-8> meta-gpe.bb: |
| 22:04.43 | koen | 23:02 < CIA-8> add teleport to gpe-task=base |
| 22:05.23 | Cwiiis | koen: What's teleport? |
| 22:05.57 | koen | it teleports running apps to a new DISPLAY |
| 22:06.07 | Cwiiis | oh, that's neat ) |
| 22:06.08 | Cwiiis | *:) |
| 22:06.48 | koen | Cwiiis: can I talk you into getting libdisplaymigtation into gtk? |
| 22:06.58 | Cwiiis | It's amazing how far gpe and related software has come since I last used it properly... Hopefully I can resolve some of the major issues before oz 3.5.3 for collie :) |
| 22:06.59 | koen | migration* |
| 22:07.18 | Cwiiis | koen: What does that involve? |
| 22:07.36 | Cwiiis | major issues with the collie kernel being crap that is :p |
| 22:08.04 | koen | ehm, florian_ or pb_ would know |
| 22:10.45 | Maggux | have a nice weekend, I'll go to bed |
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| 22:12.10 | florian_ | Cwiiis: i think it is quite easy... libdisplaymigration is only a few bits of code. authentication should be the most complicated thing. |
| 22:13.01 | Cwiiis | florian_: What exactly does libdisplaymigration do? And why would it need to be in gtk? Just to get accepted up-stream and make things easier? |
| 22:13.24 | koen | when it's in gtk all apps would support teleporting |
| 22:13.45 | Cwiiis | ah, I see |
| 22:13.52 | florian_ | yep... gtk could just mark all windows for supporting it :-) |
| 22:14.30 | pb_ | right |
| 22:14.44 | pb_ | at the moment, applications need to explicitly link with, and make functions calls to, libdisplaymigration. |
| 22:14.55 | pb_ | if it was in gtk, everything could happen automatically. |
| 22:14.56 | Cwiiis | When I've shortened my to-do list, I'll take a look if it's still needed |
| 22:16.07 | pb_ | very good |
| 22:16.22 | pb_ | what's the status with the gpe-login click-to-recalibrate thing, by the way? |
| 22:16.52 | florian_ | pb_: would libdisplaymigration add new dependencies to gtk? |
| 22:17.11 | pb_ | florian_: yes |
| 22:17.20 | pb_ | libdisplaymigration depends on libgcrypt |
| 22:17.29 | florian_ | hmm.. |
| 22:18.19 | florian_ | i saw some encryption functions in a devhelp book that looked like they belonged to gdk... |
| 22:18.29 | florian_ | s/gdk/glib |
| 22:18.30 | pb_ | oh, really? that might be interesting. |
| 22:18.46 | pb_ | displaymigration basically just needs RSA, or an equivalent public key scheme. |
| 22:19.05 | pb_ | plus a message digest of some form, I guess. |
| 22:19.27 | pb_ | I don't think that linking with libgcrypt is a big deal, though. It's not a terribly big library. |
| 22:19.33 | koen | and a teleport back option |
| 22:19.45 | Cwiiis | pb_: I've got the stylus press/release detected and timers working, but it's a bit odd - the timer always reports a fractional time, as if I just tapped the screen rather than holding - I'm probably just doing something a bit wrong though, I'll fix it soon I'm sure :) |
| 22:19.58 | pb_ | ah right. jolly good. |
| 22:20.10 | pb_ | reenoo_: heh |
| 22:20.19 | reenoo_ | s/got/written/ |
| 22:20.49 | Cwiiis | pb_: btw, should gpe-login add new users to groups, like the 'users' group, for example? Or perhaps add new users to a list of groups that's configurable and defined in an external file (so that distros/machines can have different default groups)? |
| 22:21.51 | pb_ | Cwiiis: dunno. I guess it should probably create a new group for each new user and add them to that. If you wanted to make provision for adding new users to extra groups, that would be fine. |
| 22:22.11 | pb_ | The idea of a "users" group has always seemed fundamentally misguided to me. I wouldn't be too keen on supporting that. |
| 22:22.46 | pb_ | bbiab |
| 22:23.02 | Cwiiis | pb_: I'm just thinking of things like sudo - It'd be quite nice to include sudo with OpenZaurus GPE to make a few things a bit easier (like turning off the pda.. hehe) |
| 22:23.22 | koen | what kind of gpe merchandise are we thinking of? |
| 22:23.55 | koen | in case the next $big_event pops up |
| 22:24.19 | florian_ | Cwiiis: we need an application to configure it |
| 22:25.00 | Cwiiis | florian_: ok, I'll try and write some patches for this |
| 22:25.23 | florian_ | koen: i'd like to have a GPE pin, Petra has some experience with this stuff... but iirc the setup for something like this is quite expensive. |
| 22:25.39 | koen | I know |
| 22:25.48 | florian_ | Cwiiis: is there a gui application to configure it? |
| 22:26.10 | Cwiiis | florian_: ah, sudo? No, there isn't as far as I know |
| 22:26.11 | koen | clothing is relatively inexpensive, but mugs, pens and pins aren't |
| 22:26.47 | florian_ | koen: right... i can ask Petra about this stuff as soon i'm back from fosdem. |
| 22:27.21 | reenoo_ | I'd vote for higher quality clothing though |
| 22:27.56 | koen | which is only E0.50/shirt more |
| 22:28.19 | florian_ | hmm... right, we sell BSD-Shirts at kc which are really nice... |
| 22:28.45 | reenoo_ | it's just that I never dare to actually wear stuff being afraid of it not surviving washing etc. |
| 22:29.35 | koen | a 3 color print template is about E70, once you have that the costs drop dramatically |
| 22:30.35 | koen | for low volume stuff (<50) it's about 2,50/color/shirt |
| 22:30.39 | florian_ | yep |
| 22:31.14 | florian_ | reenoo_: current gpe t-shirt survives washing... ;-) |
| 22:31.55 | koen | I was thinking about printing polo-shirts with a gpe/OE logo |
| 22:32.40 | koen | the logo needs some work to support more than a white background, though |
| 22:35.25 | koen | think of this: a mug which displays the gpe logo when filled with a hot liquid |
| 22:37.49 | koen | ;night all |
| 22:38.38 | reenoo_ | 'night koen|afk |
| 22:39.43 | florian_ | koen|afk: good night |
| 22:47.36 | Cwiiis | mallum: About to test matchbox 0.8.. |
| 22:51.14 | Cwiiis | With mb-common 0.8, mb-desktop 0.8.1, mb-panel 0.8.3 and mb-wm 0.8.4, the bug doesn't exist! |
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| 22:54.43 | Cwiiis | mallum: Anything you want me to check before I revert back to 0.9? |
| 22:56.11 | florian_ | Cwiiis: which bug are you talking about? |
| 22:56.24 | Cwiiis | florian_: The dialogs appearing blank with composite enabled bug |
| 22:57.11 | florian_ | Cwiiis: ah right... btw. do you see cursors in X? |
| 22:58.43 | Cwiiis | florian_: Yes, I think so - I can't check just yet, but I remember thinking about it earlier |
| 22:59.01 | Cwiiis | Although it may have been while I was using minimo... |
| 22:59.13 | Cwiiis | I'll check as soon as mallum answers :) hehe |
| 22:59.17 | pb_ | re |
| 23:00.12 | florian_ | pb_: wb |
| 23:00.32 | florian_ | ibot: seen luc_? |
| 23:00.38 | ibot | luc_ <~luc@cs181029133.pp.htv.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 12d 3h 34s ago, saying: 'good night all.'. |
| 23:00.40 | pb_ | koen|afk: mugs aren't that expensive to have printed. they cost about 4 EUR each at 100 off, including the screen. |
| 23:00.48 | florian_ | ibot: seen luc? |
| 23:00.49 | ibot | luc <~luc@cs181029133.pp.htv.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 5d 3h 20m 31s ago, saying: 'good night all.'. |
| 23:00.49 | pb_ | I've no idea about pins, though. |
| 23:02.27 | florian_ | we could talk about this at fosdem, Nils has quite some experience with this stuff. |
| 23:02.33 | Cwiiis | florian_: I was wrong, I don't see cursors |
| 23:03.23 | pb_ | florian_: right, good idea |
| 23:05.11 | florian_ | Cwiiis: hmm... with old matchbox and new X?! |
| 23:06.04 | Cwiiis | florian_: Yup - Although I don't get to test it long, matchbox-panel segfaults :) hehe |
| 23:06.20 | florian_ | *hrm* |
| 23:06.38 | florian_ | mallum: eh, do you have an idea about this?! |
| 23:09.19 | Cwiiis | florian_: Are cursors visible with new matchbox? |
| 23:11.16 | florian_ | Cwiiis: at least in the last images... we still don't know what i responsible for this bug. |
| 23:11.19 | pb_ | florian_: if you install an old enough version of matchbox, the old wm-based cursor suppression code will start working again. |
| 23:11.20 | florian_ | wait! |
| 23:11.31 | florian_ | ok |
| 23:11.46 | pb_ | the libxcursor stuff should be independent of matchbox. |
| 23:11.52 | florian_ | pb_: hrm right... that might be possible. |
| 23:14.06 | florian_ | so the new code maybe never worked? |
| 23:14.16 | pb_ | that's possible |
| 23:15.01 | Cwiiis | I've always had the cursor during the log-in screen, so it would indicate that |
| 23:15.36 | florian_ | hrm right... |
| 23:27.47 | reenoo_ | hrm... something is wonky with the gtk-webcore stuff from cvs |
| 23:28.09 | reenoo_ | | /home2/oe/bakery/build-familiar-h3600/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib/libnrcore.so: undefined reference to `QPainter::currentContext()' |
| 23:28.54 | reenoo_ | and that function is part of nrcore |
| 23:29.19 | florian_ | :-/ |
| 23:43.34 | Cwiiis | reenoo_: Good luck with that |
| 23:47.10 | mallum | Cwiiis: hi |
| 23:47.13 | mallum | Cwiiis: was afk |
| 23:47.17 | Cwiiis | mallum: np :) |
| 23:47.24 | Cwiiis | mallum: But yeah, composite bug doesn't happen with old matchbox |
| 23:48.03 | mallum | Cwiiis: okey |
| 23:48.08 | mallum | Cwiiis: thats cool then |
| 23:48.16 | Cwiiis | mallum: Easy fix? |
| 23:50.00 | mallum | Cwiiis: dunno |
| 23:50.07 | mallum | Cwiiis: hopefully :) |
| 23:50.36 | Cwiiis | mallum: Fingers crossed - I miss shadows :) hehe |
| 23:50.48 | mallum | Cwiiis: you are welcome to patch :) |
| 23:51.22 | mallum | Cwiiis: how did you know it was fixed btw ? |
| 23:51.30 | Cwiiis | mallum: Absolutely no idea how window-managers/composite work, I'll leave it in your capable hands.. hehe |
| 23:51.38 | Cwiiis | mallum: All the dialogs that were coming up blank before were there |
| 23:51.55 | Cwiiis | visible rather |
| 23:53.09 | mallum | Cwiiis: can you give example of app with broken dialog ? |
| 23:53.58 | mallum | pb_: I thought the small dot cursor wasn't using the mb compressing cursor code ? |
| 23:54.05 | Cwiiis | mallum: gpe-logout |
| 23:54.26 | mallum | paul: I didn't think that had been used for a while ( also I've not removed it from mb ) |
| 23:54.35 | mallum | s/paul/pb/ |
| 23:54.43 | mallum | Cwiiis: okey, thanks |
| 23:54.49 | Cwiiis | mallum: np |
