| 00:00.31 | SuN | Point is, there aren't any libmb binaries available other than these for OZ... I'll have to get an OE setup running before I can build it myself. |
| 00:01.02 | SuN | I'll try building the new version this weekend. |
| 00:01.16 | SuN | Since you're saying it's a known bug, that should probably fix it. |
| 00:01.45 | mallum__ | yeah |
| 00:01.49 | mallum__ | there is a workaround |
| 00:02.28 | mallum__ | set MBPIXBUF_FORCE_32BPP_INTERNAL=1 before starting the panel ( env var ) |
| 00:04.36 | SuN | Hm doesn't seem to fix it. |
| 00:04.52 | SuN | I might be injecting that line at the wrong place though. |
| 00:05.30 | SuN | But there's one thing I don't entirely grasp... I replaced matchbox with xfce, so technically, I'm not using matchbox at all, right? |
| 00:05.41 | SuN | I'm using gpe-dm to load xfce for me. |
| 00:08.15 | mallum__ | do like MBPIXBUF_FORCE_32BPP_INTERNAL=1 matchbox-panel & |
| 00:10.47 | SuN | I put it in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99xWindowManager, just before my "startxfce4" line. |
| 00:11.05 | SuN | Right now I don't know where matchbox-panel is launched exactly. |
| 00:11.33 | SuN | Lemme check if matchbox has the same behaviour first though... |
| 00:14.00 | SuN | Nope, it appears to be fine in matchbox. |
| 00:14.19 | SuN | If I use the default x-window-manager and use the matchbox environment, the window decorations are all fine. |
| 00:14.23 | SuN | But not in XFCE. |
| 00:14.35 | SuN | Are the matchbox window decorations in XPM as well? |
| 00:28.13 | mallum__ | SuN, hmm some are , some arn't |
| 00:28.17 | mallum__ | SuN, it sounds like a bug in xfce |
| 00:28.47 | SuN | Makes sense. |
| 00:28.56 | SuN | I'll ask in #xfce when some smart people are around. |
| 00:29.01 | SuN | Anyway, thanks for your help. |
| 00:31.46 | mallum__ | okey, good luck! |
| 00:31.50 | mallum__ | and g'night |
| 00:31.54 | SuN | G'night |
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| 08:39.26 | koen | good morning all |
| 08:40.28 | rob_w | hi koen |
| 08:40.43 | koen | hey rob_w |
| 08:44.11 | cedric___ | morning |
| 08:44.43 | koen | 'morning cedric___ |
| 08:46.45 | cedric___ | I've try to compile vlc 0.8.1 and I'm getting the same linking error "wx_gtk2" thingy, I've diseabled gtk and gtk2 so... |
| 08:50.45 | cedric___ | same issue with 0.7.2 |
| 08:52.36 | p0m | wx_gtk2 is different to gtk and gtk2. |
| 08:52.41 | p0m | It's another widget set from memory. |
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| 08:53.05 | florian_kc | hi all |
| 08:53.09 | koen | p0m: it's an abstrction |
| 08:53.16 | koen | hey florian_kc |
| 08:53.22 | p0m | cedric___: http://wxwidgets.org/ |
| 08:56.25 | cedric___ | koen: how come u don't get that linking issue with wx_gtk2 ??? |
| 08:58.46 | koen | don't know |
| 08:58.52 | koen | other DISTRO setting? |
| 09:00.06 | cedric___ | nope |
| 09:00.50 | koen | I have DISTRO="familiar-0.8.1" and MACHINE=h3900 |
| 09:01.01 | cedric___ | I've checked the configure log and it say I've got wxwindow |
| 09:01.11 | koen | I also clean out TMPDIR every other day |
| 09:01.19 | cedric___ | MACHINE=poodle |
| 09:02.12 | p0m | It has legs, a bad haircut and makes a lot of noise? |
| 09:02.25 | koen | me? |
| 09:02.43 | p0m | No, the poodle :) |
| 09:02.47 | koen | ah, ok |
| 09:03.08 | koen | :) |
| 09:06.04 | cedric___ | I've added --disable-wxwindow, I'll see the result of it... |
| 09:08.10 | Tonyx | koen: hi, did you get Silky running already? :) |
| 09:08.19 | koen | Tonyx: not yet :) |
| 09:08.30 | koen | but I'm getting close |
| 09:08.32 | Tonyx | koen: I just tested on ARM9, it runs :> |
| 09:08.40 | koen | cool |
| 09:08.56 | Tonyx | or actually this is armv5l |
| 09:16.22 | koen|afk | bbl |
| 09:20.24 | p0m | Err, this isn't good. |
| 09:21.17 | p0m | I just flashed the new 3970 with Familiar 0.8.0 and GPE 2.5, told it to boot, and now it's sat on the "powered by Openembedded" screen. |
| 09:22.21 | rob_w | so .. now its time for PARTY - got a job ! |
| 09:22.29 | p0m | Nothing happening on the serial either. |
| 09:22.47 | p0m | Congratulations. |
| 09:22.51 | p0m | Ohh, there we go. |
| 09:22.52 | rob_w | p0m: keep waiting ! |
| 09:22.57 | p0m | I forgot about the SSH keys :$. |
| 09:23.03 | rob_w | yep .. calculating the ssh ! yep |
| 09:23.30 | p0m | I wish it told you over serial. |
| 09:26.59 | rob_w | p0m: i also have the 3970 and it is great |
| 09:27.13 | rob_w | even use bluetooth gps with gpsdrive . |
| 09:27.50 | p0m | Nice. |
| 09:28.05 | rob_w | yep |
| 09:28.34 | p0m | Oops/ |
| 09:28.34 | p0m | I just killed the panel. |
| 09:29.01 | rob_w | well, sure there are some flaws but not too bad at all |
| 09:29.23 | p0m | It died after I changed the theme. |
| 09:30.23 | rob_w | restart X and ull be there again .. can also happen when turning on/off composite |
| 09:30.26 | p0m | Ohh, I see. |
| 09:30.33 | p0m | The screen's resized itself. |
| 09:31.00 | rob_w | depending on the theme and font / icon sizes u will have different screens |
| 09:46.54 | cedric___ | cool I've compiled vlc 0.8.1, just need to test it now... |
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| 10:18.23 | florian_kc | pb_: good morning |
| 10:18.40 | pb_ | florian_kc: good morning! |
| 10:26.07 | florian_kc | pb_: oh before i forget this... would you please do it one again? :-) |
| 10:26.14 | florian_kc | s/one/once |
| 10:36.30 | pb_ | florian_kc: it is done |
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| 10:37.15 | pb_ | tigrux: good morning |
| 10:37.47 | tigrux | Hello master pb_ |
| 10:38.53 | florian_kc | pb_: thank you |
| 10:38.58 | florian_kc | hi tigrux |
| 10:47.02 | pb_ | tigrux: What was this problem with pygtk that you mentioned yesterday? |
| 10:47.25 | tigrux | pb_: Let me connect my ipaq. |
| 10:48.10 | p0m | Uh oh. |
| 10:48.36 | p0m | I've logged out and now I can't, the logon screen is missing items. |
| 10:48.41 | p0m | log back in* |
| 10:49.46 | pb_ | Ah, sounds like you fell for the old gpe-ownerinfo trick. |
| 10:49.55 | p0m | Lovely. |
| 10:50.06 | p0m | You're not meant to turn it off? |
| 10:50.32 | pb_ | Well, it's a bug. If you upgrade to the gpe-login from unstable, it should start working again. |
| 10:50.48 | p0m | Err, problem, I was setting up ppp to upgrade. |
| 10:51.02 | p0m | You wouldn't happen to know where the conf is to turn it back on would you? |
| 10:51.17 | pb_ | Try removing /etc/gpe/gpe-ownerinfo.data. |
| 10:51.29 | p0m | Ok. |
| 10:51.56 | p0m | At least I can still hyperterm in :) |
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| 10:52.27 | florian_kc | morning mallum |
| 10:54.34 | p0m | pb_: Delete it and reboot? |
| 10:55.15 | mallum | hey |
| 10:55.54 | florian_kc | p0m: just restart gpe-dm (/etc/init.d/gpe-dm stop...) |
| 10:56.36 | p0m | That's the ticket. |
| 10:56.51 | p0m | Mind if I put that up on the Wiki under the GPE FAQ thing? |
| 10:58.15 | p0m | Ohh, and another stupid question, can I change the blue color of the logon? |
| 10:59.14 | florian_kc | p0m: no, i think that's a good idea. |
| 10:59.33 | p0m | So it's hardcoded into the login? |
| 11:00.14 | florian_kc | p0m: eh no, that was about adding that info to wiki :-) |
| 11:00.23 | p0m | Ohh, misread. |
| 11:00.35 | florian_kc | p0m: iirc gpe-login has its own gtkrc... wait a second. |
| 11:01.03 | florian_kc | /etc/X11/gpe-login.gtkrc |
| 11:01.09 | p0m | Thanks. |
| 11:01.28 | p0m | Erm, where should I put the fix? There's no GPEFAQ page. |
| 11:03.22 | florian_kc | hmm this kind of information is spread all over the wiki - i think the best idea would be to create one. |
| 11:03.23 | p0m | Hmm, might help if I logged in. |
| 11:03.43 | p0m | I was about to, and was goggling at the "You cannot edit this page". |
| 11:04.06 | florian_kc | :-) |
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| 11:07.00 | p0m | Ugh. |
| 11:07.07 | p0m | Forgot my wiki password. |
| 11:12.43 | p0m | florian_kc: What actually causes this problem? |
| 11:13.31 | florian_kc | p0m: a nasty bug in gpe-ownerinfo |
| 11:13.57 | p0m | So, it's caused by changing your gpe-userinfo? |
| 11:16.34 | florian_kc | yes |
| 11:21.54 | florian_kc | p0m: cool |
| 11:22.18 | p0m | I don't know Wiki formatting all that well, but here goes. |
| 11:22.30 | p0m | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPEFAQ |
| 11:24.29 | florian_kc | cool, we should extend this... |
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| 11:29.08 | p0m | If I knew what to extend it with, I would. |
| 11:37.33 | p0m | I know, a FAQ on how to change the gpe-login background and theme. |
| 11:48.51 | p0m | Hmm. |
| 11:49.00 | p0m | Anyone know what happened to gpe-login-bg.pg? |
| 12:01.44 | p0m | Nevermind. I tweaked the gtkrc, and now the login doesn't fit :( |
| 12:06.40 | basiliscus | hallo guys, why the content of /etc/resolv.conf is deleted after each reboot ? (ipaq 5450 , v0.8) |
| 12:08.10 | rob_w | try adding the route at the device start of a network |
| 12:29.51 | koen | re |
| 12:31.20 | p0m | Welcome back. |
| 12:32.15 | p0m | I'm making a mess of my gpe-login interface, lol. |
| 12:32.22 | p0m | Changed the theme etc, |
| 12:34.28 | p0m | koen: Any idea how I could get this login screen to line back on the screen? |
| 12:34.53 | koen | don't know |
| 12:35.04 | koen | florian_kc might know |
| 12:35.08 | p0m | Darn. |
| 12:35.10 | p0m | I've tried lowering the screen font etc. |
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| 12:42.22 | florian_kc | p0m: uh, what did you do?! |
| 12:42.52 | koen | basiliscus: /etc/resolv.conf is a symlink to the ramdisk |
| 12:44.00 | p0m | florian_kc: It could have been the tinkering with the gpe-login.setup |
| 12:44.23 | p0m | It now looks perfect, except for the fact that a couple of widgets go offscreen. |
| 12:45.32 | p0m | If I could screen cap it, I'd show you. |
| 12:48.38 | florian_kc | p0m: that could be caused by that gpe-ownerinfo bug. maybe you should update it... check if it consumes cpu time. |
| 12:49.28 | p0m | Nope, it's not consuming. |
| 12:50.17 | koen | florian_kc: why don't we ship a background for gpe-login anynore? |
| 12:50.22 | koen | anymore even |
| 12:50.33 | p0m | I was trying to use gpe-setbg to use the industrial bgtile. |
| 12:50.54 | p0m | In place of gpe-login-bg.png. |
| 12:52.01 | florian_kc | koen: hmm not really, maybe it yoused trouble with something else... |
| 12:58.39 | p0m | It's a widget size issue. |
| 12:58.56 | p0m | I just dropped teh font down to 4, and I can see parts of the end of the username widget. |
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| 12:59.29 | florian_kc | heh... sounds like there is something wrong with the theme. |
| 13:00.03 | koen | cool, gtk now uses cairo |
| 13:00.51 | p0m | florian_kc: Except I've changed the theme back to the one it started with, same issue still. |
| 13:00.59 | florian_kc | koen: oops |
| 13:01.19 | florian_kc | p0m: oh |
| 13:01.33 | p0m | Hang on, attempting another theme. |
| 13:01.39 | p0m | And then reloading the display manager. |
| 13:03.20 | p0m | Ok, it is a theme issue. |
| 13:03.32 | p0m | Except the gpe-owner information seems to wander off the page anyhow. |
| 13:05.17 | p0m | It must be in the gtkrc for the theme. |
| 13:08.59 | rob_w | koen: that could lead into nice graphics .. |
| 13:11.36 | p0m | florian_kc: You wouldn't happen to know what the name of the widget that is used for Username and Language on gtk-logine would you? |
| 13:12.45 | rob_w | p0m: i can check |
| 13:12.59 | p0m | That would be much appreciated. |
| 13:13.11 | p0m | I'm changing the style of certain widgets to see if it changes. |
| 13:13.39 | rob_w | what gtkrc are you working on ? |
| 13:14.16 | p0m | I'm working on /usr/share/themes/Industrial/gtk-2.0/gtkrc |
| 13:14.27 | p0m | I think it's GtkRange |
| 13:14.34 | florian_kc | p0m: these are gtk option menus |
| 13:14.43 | p0m | Ahh. |
| 13:15.13 | p0m | So GtkMenu of some form? |
| 13:17.03 | florian_kc | i think it is GtkOptionMenu |
| 13:17.36 | p0m | That's probably why. |
| 13:17.42 | p0m | There's no entry for it in this theme. |
| 13:17.50 | rob_w | and gpe-login does use its own gtkrc |
| 13:18.06 | p0m | I saw that, but it uses an include to a theme. |
| 13:18.17 | rob_w | hrm |
| 13:18.27 | p0m | It's the theme that's causing it to go off the screen. |
| 13:18.37 | p0m | Angelistic seems to be the only one with an entry for it. |
| 13:19.41 | p0m | Or not. |
| 13:21.10 | p0m | Bugger it, I'll just go back to the standard theme. |
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| 13:55.45 | koen | 'morning TyggerBob |
| 13:56.03 | TyggerBob | morning koen |
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| 13:57.00 | TyggerBob | morning pb_, florian_kc |
| 13:58.29 | florian_kc | hi TyggerBob |
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| 15:35.16 | mallum | hmm, why does rxvt have no scrollbar ? |
| 15:38.46 | cedric___ | I'm testing the catwoman mpeg with vlc, I'm getting --> [00000198] access_file access error: read failed (Bad address) |
| 15:39.20 | cedric___ | if I droping the X server (gpe-dm stop) then I'm getting the sound of the video |
| 15:40.17 | cedric___ | I've compiled with and without SDL same issue |
| 15:44.46 | koen | are the permissions for /dev/sound/* correct? |
| 15:45.09 | mallum | koen, hmm how do I get rid of ipv6 ? |
| 15:45.33 | mallum | koen, the wireless card is connecting to my ap ok, but its setting itself ipv6 and Im not that modern here |
| 15:45.44 | koen | see http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/FamiliarSlimDownHowto |
| 15:45.45 | cedric___ | koen: I haven't got /dev/sound |
| 15:46.00 | cedric___ | on the poodle |
| 15:46.03 | koen | cedric___: ok, nevermind |
| 15:46.33 | mallum | koen, why is ipv6 in the default ? |
| 15:46.41 | koen | mallum: but ipv6 is harmless, you'll only get a link local address |
| 15:46.58 | koen | mallum: because hp and jamey are ipv6 geeks |
| 15:47.13 | koen | familiar was a ipv6 testbed |
| 15:47.36 | koen | (still is) |
| 15:48.26 | mallum | koen, lol |
| 15:48.43 | mallum | heh there dependant on task-bootstrap |
| 15:49.32 | koen | (just as I'm fixing ipv6 you ask how to remove it :) ) |
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| 15:50.04 | cedric___ | koen: can I do any simple test to check my binary? |
| 15:51.12 | mallum | koen, if its breaking networking for 90% of users that dont yet have ipv6 its probably best its not in default images .... |
| 15:51.31 | koen | mallum: ipv6 is harmless |
| 15:52.00 | mallum | koen, well removing it bricks the ipaq |
| 15:52.12 | koen | D'oh |
| 15:52.44 | koen | mallum: ipv6 only breaks when users have a rogue ipv6 router in their network |
| 15:53.24 | koen | when no router is present it only assigns a link-local ip |
| 15:53.24 | mallum | maybe I have one on openwrt |
| 15:53.27 | mallum | is booting now |
| 15:53.50 | koen | see what ifconfig give you |
| 15:55.22 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.22 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.22 | koen | the 2001: one is assigned by my ipv6 router |
| 15:55.22 | koen | you should only see the fe80 one |
| 15:56.15 | mallum | yeah who knows |
| 15:56.49 | mallum | I wish I could just plug in my wireless card, up pops a dialog listing aps, I select one enter the WEP key if required and then Im good to go |
| 15:56.59 | koen | I started ipv6izing my network last week |
| 15:57.23 | koen | mallum: yeah, that would be a nice app |
| 15:57.37 | mallum | koen, yeah everything else seems to do it nowadays |
| 15:57.56 | mallum | koen, but they probably dont have ipv6 |
| 15:58.08 | koen | when kergoth finishes the libiw thing that should be easy |
| 16:00.25 | mallum | yeah fingers crossed |
| 16:11.01 | jserv2 | mallum: Hi! |
| 16:11.12 | mallum | hey jserv2 |
| 16:59.57 | tigrux | florian_kc: master? |
| 17:16.50 | rob_w | re |
| 17:16.58 | koen | rob_w: wbb |
| 17:18.29 | rob_w | koen: btw call me "employed" ;-) |
| 17:19.30 | koen | rob_w: congrats rob_employed |
| 17:20.38 | koen | rob_w: did you take the job at adaptec? |
| 17:20.42 | Tygger_Bob | mallum: that listing/connecting thing would be a nice extension of gpe-aerial |
| 17:20.48 | rob_w | right we should mark everybody who is employed and who not (now that i ve one back again) |
| 17:20.58 | Tygger_Bob | congrats, rob_w |
| 17:21.25 | rob_w | thank you , |
| 17:21.41 | koen | heh |
| 17:21.58 | Tygger_Bob | mmmm |
| 17:22.13 | Tygger_Bob | is it normal for the calibration to be off at the bottom of the screen? |
| 17:22.27 | rob_w | no , not to me |
| 17:23.13 | rob_w | if calibration doesnt help , u are in trouble |
| 17:23.18 | koen | aaargh |
| 17:23.31 | koen | the miplv6 2.6.8.1 doesn't compile |
| 17:25.51 | Tygger_Bob | hrm.. mallum: take a look at gpe-aerial. |
| 17:26.00 | Tygger_Bob | It does just what you want, I think. |
| 17:26.22 | Tygger_Bob | except for the "up pops the dialog", I suppose |
| 17:34.13 | mallum | Tygger_Bob, ok |
| 17:34.29 | Tygger_Bob | oh.. and except for the fact that it doesn't fit on the screen :) |
| 17:36.51 | koen | Tygger_Bob: does gpe-aerial support libiw as backend instead of pst? |
| 17:38.58 | Tygger_Bob | that would be a florian_kc question, but as far as I know, it uses prismstumbler as the backend |
| 17:41.28 | koen | Tygger_Bob: IMHO it is a bit much to pull in pst when libiw can do the same |
| 17:41.36 | florian_kc | koen: no, but sounds like a good ides... remind me later today - i'm on the way to our local hacker meeting. |
| 17:41.45 | florian_kc | bbl |
| 17:41.47 | koen | florian_kc: ok |
| 17:41.50 | koen | see you |
| 17:42.19 | Tygger_Bob | koen, depends on what you're trying to find.. |
| 17:42.39 | Tygger_Bob | there are a lot of AP's that PS will find that an iwlist scan won't |
| 17:42.51 | Tygger_Bob | like mine, for instance |
| 17:43.06 | koen | for Joe Average libiw will to |
| 17:43.10 | koen | s/to/do/ |
| 17:43.25 | koen | I'm thinking about the people with 16mb of flash |
| 17:43.59 | koen | pst is great as a backend, that's obvious |
| 17:44.25 | Tygger_Bob | I suppose it would be ok to have it as an option, but if you turn off ssid broadcasting, (which you should) the iwlist scan wouldn't find it. |
| 17:47.06 | rob_w | Tygger_Bob: why can it find more then iwlist scan ? |
| 17:47.23 | rob_w | oh i see the answer |
| 17:47.43 | Tygger_Bob | ok |
| 17:48.10 | Tygger_Bob | kismet will find it, as will any other monitor mode type wifi scanner, but things that use active scanning, won't find them. |
| 17:49.53 | rob_w | matchbox-panel bails out on requesting libmb-1.6 but i only have 1.5 |
| 17:52.56 | koen | rob_w: get it from the unstable feed |
| 17:53.27 | rob_w | no , thats at bitbake , during configure of matchbox-panel |
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| 17:54.26 | koen | rob_w: it should be in OE |
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| 18:10.46 | reenoo | evening |
| 18:10.50 | koen | hey reenoo |
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| 18:12.18 | reenoo | hi koen |
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| 18:41.57 | mallum | koen, did you ever try mb-applet-startup-monitor ? |
| 18:42.00 | mallum | hey hadess |
| 18:42.51 | koen | mallum: not that I know off |
| 18:43.06 | mallum | koen, looser |
| 18:43.33 | mallum | koen, want me to make a .bb for it ? |
| 18:43.49 | koen | sure |
| 18:44.06 | mallum | its here btw http://projects.o-hand.com/matchbox/sources/mb-applet-startup-monitor/0.1/ |
| 18:44.26 | koen | is that the hourglass in the panel? |
| 18:44.29 | mallum | yeah |
| 18:44.31 | koen | as seen in the swf |
| 18:44.33 | mallum | from the demo |
| 18:44.34 | mallum | yeah |
| 18:44.37 | mallum | I packaged it up |
| 18:44.43 | mallum | it was just a random hack |
| 18:44.43 | koen | coolness |
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| 18:46.05 | mallum | koen, now you want to package it, dont you |
| 18:46.30 | koen | no, I want you to package it :) |
| 18:46.35 | mallum | wah |
| 18:46.37 | mallum | wah wah |
| 18:46.46 | mallum | ok |
| 18:47.31 | mallum | koen, I'll tell you a secret |
| 18:50.02 | koen | yes? |
| 18:51.24 | mallum | koen, matchbox-remote -input-toggle 1|0 |
| 18:51.45 | rob_w | ohoh |
| 18:52.02 | rob_w | mallum: is that a sec flaw ? |
| 18:52.25 | mallum | rob_w, sec flaw ? |
| 18:53.44 | rob_w | security ... thought maybe with that u can gain access to matchbox remotely |
| 18:54.01 | mallum | koen, http://projects.o-hand.com/misc/oe/matchbox-applet-startup-monitor_0.1.bb |
| 18:54.17 | mallum | rob_w, no, it just toggles the currently selectly input method on/off |
| 18:57.55 | rob_w | mallum: oh that is into the input direction , nice |
| 18:58.24 | mallum | dinner brb |
| 18:58.50 | koen | ok, it's in |
| 18:59.19 | koen | 19:59 < CIA-4> koen * r1.3111 openembedded/packages/matchbox-applet-startup-monitor/matchbox-applet-startup-monitor_0.1.bb: add |
| 18:59.22 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.09 | hadess | i think i'll need some help setting up a decent devel env for the netbook pro... |
| 19:01.58 | rob_w | koen: does such a commit take time or can i immidiatly bk pull it now |
| 19:02.54 | koen | the repo's are synced hourly |
| 19:03.57 | hadess | and i think mallum is going to help me because he loves me so much |
| 19:05.09 | koen | crazy brits |
| 19:12.19 | hadess | i'm not a proper brit, i'm a french cockney |
| 19:12.44 | mallum | hadess, there is nothing in life I could want more than to help you my little frenchie |
| 19:13.18 | hadess | mallum: now, give us a peck |
| 19:14.05 | mallum | ok |
| 19:14.28 | mallum | though I am probably the worst person when it comes to fighting oe |
| 19:14.39 | mallum | koen, the little dutchie, on the other hand is master |
| 19:15.13 | hadess | i've already got the bits set up for the testing, i can run a couple of apps remotely via X, and compile locally |
| 19:15.23 | mallum | x-compile ? |
| 19:15.55 | hadess | the main problem is getting the shite compiled for the arm, and eventually getting it in the build system for the netbook pro |
| 19:15.57 | mallum | koen, is there not some sdk ? |
| 19:16.03 | hadess | which i have no idea about |
| 19:16.06 | hadess | mallum: yeah |
| 19:16.30 | koen | bitbake meta-sdk |
| 19:16.59 | koen | scratchbox could work too |
| 19:17.11 | mallum | yeah scratchbox is pain to setup though |
| 19:17.37 | mallum | http://handhelds.org/~mallum/scratchbox-notes.txt |
| 19:18.31 | mallum | koen, thanks for the commit btw |
| 19:20.55 | koen | np |
| 19:21.28 | reenoo | hadess: shouldn't be too hard to set up openembedded for the netbook |
| 19:22.19 | reenoo | hadess: probably best to start with a build for h3600 or h3900 to get things to work in general |
| 19:22.41 | reenoo | hadess: then add a kernel and a MACHINE .conf |
| 19:24.01 | koen | reenoo: the netbook should be in allready |
| 19:24.52 | koen | according to the netbook-linux person that I mailed about it |
| 19:25.25 | reenoo | I don't see a netbook.conf in the repository |
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| 19:25.57 | koen | hey mccarthy |
| 19:26.00 | mallum | koen, any word on 41xx dev ? |
| 19:26.03 | mccarthy | hi koen |
| 19:26.18 | koen | mallum: not that I've heard |
| 19:26.22 | koen | still stuck on flash |
| 19:26.42 | mccarthy | 47xx looks like ti is moving quickly ... |
| 19:26.51 | mccarthy | s\ti\it |
| 19:26.52 | koen | the hx4700 people are overhauling asic3 so h1900, h3900 and h4100 might need some TLC |
| 19:26.56 | mallum | koen, hmm, oh now nearly has a kernel hacker |
| 19:27.18 | reenoo | koen: neither do I see a netbook specific kernel .bb |
| 19:27.25 | koen | mccarthy: funding makes all the difference |
| 19:27.40 | mccarthy | koen: ah. is someone paying for the port? |
| 19:27.47 | koen | reenoo: I can't seem to find it either |
| 19:27.54 | koen | mccarthy: SDG systems |
| 19:28.04 | mccarthy | interesting... |
| 19:28.24 | mccarthy | I don't follow most of what the port mailing list says. Would you guess they are close?! |
| 19:28.50 | koen | they still need a driver for the video chip |
| 19:28.57 | hadess | koen: hmm, it's for the netbook "pro", i don't know just how different they are |
| 19:29.18 | mallum | I baught a big box of lego last weekend I think I may begin construction this evening |
| 19:29.21 | koen | hadess: not sure |
| 19:29.29 | mccarthy | darn. video chip could be slow... |
| 19:29.36 | reenoo | hadess: there are significant differences. I forget the details... |
| 19:29.43 | koen | mccarthy: jamey said he would work on it |
| 19:29.57 | mccarthy | I am still on the fence for what to buy |
| 19:29.58 | koen | mallum: mindstorm? |
| 19:30.12 | mccarthy | I wish I had gotten a zaurus 6000 when they were still available :( |
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| 19:30.48 | koen | hey florian |
| 19:31.02 | florian | hi all |
| 19:31.04 | reenoo | moin florian |
| 19:31.05 | mallum | koen, no 4508 - titan XP |
| 19:31.27 | koen | florian: wanna add libiw support to gpe aerial? |
| 19:31.28 | mallum | koen, big robot thing. it looked really cool. and I bought it, then remember Im 30 years old :/ |
| 19:31.31 | florian | :-) |
| 19:32.10 | koen | Item#: 4508 |
| 19:32.10 | koen | Ages: 9+ |
| 19:32.14 | florian | mallum: heh, you should ask Nils about his age ;) |
| 19:33.26 | Tygger_Bob | Hrm.. I wonder if I'm older than Nilsf? |
| 19:34.37 | Tygger_Bob | koen: looking forward to when my son is older for things like that |
| 19:35.00 | mallum | koen, I've had mindstorms for a while |
| 19:35.23 | koen | mallum: did you like it? |
| 19:35.39 | koen | Tygger_Bob: That was the story with my dad |
| 19:35.46 | Tygger_Bob | :) |
| 19:36.23 | mallum | koen, yeah its pretty cool. I built this wierd scanner thing with it once |
| 19:36.33 | mallum | koen, havn't touched it for a while now though |
| 19:37.08 | Tygger_Bob | We have this commercial here where there's one dad who can't program his own VCR, and the other dad looks like a geek, and comes out with a big bowl of SIMMs saying "Who wants more RAM?" and all the kids are yelling "I do, I do!" |
| 19:37.12 | Tygger_Bob | my wife says that's going to be me |
| 19:37.30 | koen | heh |
| 19:37.31 | reenoo | heh. neat |
| 19:37.56 | mallum | I liked it at school when teachers couldn't use vcrs at all |
| 19:38.04 | hadess | Tygger_Bob: ie. you're done for life and she didn't take the pill |
| 19:38.18 | mallum | we would secretly operate with remote |
| 19:38.20 | koen | mallum: profs at the uni can't handle them either |
| 19:38.39 | mccarthy | koen: hey! I resent that :) |
| 19:38.59 | koen | ok, at the local uni :) |
| 19:39.01 | Tygger_Bob | hadess, we ARE done for life, with three kids three and under. |
| 19:39.08 | Tygger_Bob | we don't need the pill anymore :) |
| 19:39.37 | koen | oooh, lego has a dark side developers kit |
| 19:39.47 | mallum | koen, whats that ? |
| 19:40.05 | koen | a sissy mindstorm kit |
| 19:40.07 | Tygger_Bob | florian: now you have me curious.. how old is nils? |
| 19:40.22 | koen | http://mindstorms.lego.com/eng/products/dsdk/index.asp |
| 19:41.14 | mallum | koen, I have the r2d2 one |
| 19:42.19 | reenoo | koen: the robotics invention system is the only really hackable kit |
| 19:42.25 | mallum | anyone know of a wireless *G* usb dongle that will work with leenux ? |
| 19:42.44 | koen | reenoo: my uni has approx 250 of those (the bastards!) |
| 19:43.26 | florian | Tygger_Bob: iirc 33 |
| 19:43.30 | reenoo | koen: same here (not that many, but still) |
| 19:43.48 | koen | they try to use them with linux, but they couldn't find the driver for 'ttyS0 or something' |
| 19:44.09 | reenoo | koen: I have one too. fun stuff :) |
| 19:44.14 | reenoo | koen: doh |
| 19:44.49 | Tygger_Bob | Ahhh.. |
| 19:45.11 | koen | (they had flowcontrol on) |
| 19:45.58 | koen | they use h3870+opie+wifi to network the mindstorms |
| 19:51.21 | reenoo | koen: we should probably pester that http://www.netbook-linux.org/ guy a bit more. there appear to be *no* sources available on that site |
| 19:51.40 | reenoo | (apart from kernel patches) |
| 19:51.51 | kergoth | heh, time to do your official request for sources per the gpl |
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| 19:52.29 | florian | reenoo: what do they have that is interesting? |
| 19:55.06 | reenoo | florian: a kernel and possibly other patches for the netbook and series 7 devices I would think |
| 19:55.28 | florian | reenoo: cool... |
| 19:55.43 | kergoth | would be nice to feed their .bb's upstream |
| 19:55.46 | Tygger_Bob | mallum: one of the guys from #kismet says that linksys wusb11 v2.8 worked for him. |
| 19:56.14 | mallum | Tygger_Bob, cool thanks |
| 19:56.15 | koen | mail from the netbook person: http://pastebin.ca/5290 |
| 19:56.20 | reenoo | kergoth: that's the idea, yeah |
| 19:56.31 | mallum | Tygger_Bob, I need to get more bandwidth to my mediabox downstairs |
| 19:57.27 | mallum | Tygger_Bob, ah but does that one do wireless-g ? |
| 19:58.33 | reenoo | koen: have you tried asking for what he's got (no matter in what state)? |
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| 19:59.00 | koen | reenoo: not yet |
| 19:59.25 | reenoo | koen: would be a pity if it got lost... |
| 20:01.39 | koen | indeed |
| 20:02.13 | florian | reenoo: don't we have support for netbook in oe? |
| 20:03.56 | reenoo | florian: there'd have to be a .conf and a kernel at least. I don't see either of those in the repository |
| 20:06.24 | hadess | Tygger_Bob: oh, yeah, you're done then ;) |
| 20:07.03 | Tygger_Bob | mallum: sorry.. those are b |
| 20:08.34 | koen | mallum: iirc pb was researching usb 802.11g things last months |
| 20:12.04 | florian | reenoo: :-/ |
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| 20:31.51 | koen | vpn's are sooooo IPV4 |
| 20:32.17 | reenoo | heh |
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| 20:34.59 | nilsf | Guten Tag! |
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| 20:35.07 | reenoo | moin nilsf |
| 20:35.17 | koen | guten abend |
| 20:35.23 | nilsf | :) |
| 20:38.18 | koen | ~praise erik hovland for working on the h5xxx 2.6 kernel |
| 20:38.20 | ibot | All hail erik hovland for working on the h5xxx 2.6 kernel! |
| 20:42.07 | nilsf | koen: Is there some nstatus page for 2.6 on H5xxx? |
| 20:42.26 | koen | nilsf: nope |
| 20:42.39 | nilsf | koen: Then I fear you to report on it :) |
| 20:42.55 | nilsf | koen: s/you to/you have to/ |
| 20:43.38 | koen | I'll ask eric to update the wiki |
| 20:43.44 | nilsf | :) |
| 20:46.38 | koen | nilsf: see his personal wiki http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/ErikHovland |
| 20:59.49 | mallum | koen, what did he improve ? |
| 21:00.23 | koen | mallum: ak43<lots o'numbers> |
| 21:00.40 | mallum | is that a machine gun ? |
| 21:00.44 | mallum | russian in make |
| 21:00.56 | koen | the sound chip, japanese |
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| 21:01.22 | mallum | koen, ah 2.6 working good now ? |
| 21:01.37 | koen | still haven't found time to test it |
| 21:11.21 | florian | *eeks* |
| 21:11.28 | florian | who broke h |
| 21:11.37 | florian | cvs.handhelds.org?! |
| 21:12.23 | koen | heh |
| 21:12.53 | florian | cvs commit: ERROR: cannot write file /cvs/gpe/base/vtype-utils/ChangeLog,v: Permission denied |
| 21:13.58 | koen | florian: send a mail to admin@handhelds.org |
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| 21:46.07 | florian | hi pb_ |
| 21:46.25 | pb_ | good evening florian |
| 21:46.35 | florian | *argh* |
| 21:46.48 | florian | koen: i do it now... |
| 21:47.02 | koen | florian: que? |
| 21:47.04 | koen | hey pb_ |
| 21:47.15 | florian | koen: mail to admin.. |
| 21:47.18 | florian | oh |
| 21:47.20 | florian | i can't |
| 21:47.30 | pb_ | hi koen |
| 21:53.49 | koen | brb, swapping out a faulty disk in the server |
| 21:54.05 | florian | am i the only one sufferign from this cvs issue? |
| 21:54.13 | pb_ | what's the issue? |
| 21:54.56 | florian | pb_: cvs commit: ERROR: cannot write file /cvs/gpe/base/vtype-utils/ChangeLog,v: Permission denied |
| 21:56.31 | pb_ | florian: try now |
| 21:57.39 | florian | pb_: cool, thanks! what was up? |
| 21:57.53 | pb_ | florian: that one directory lacked group write permission |
| 21:58.24 | florian | pb_: do you have the power to turn on cvs history? |
| 21:59.07 | pb_ | I don't think so. |
| 21:59.12 | florian | :-( |
| 21:59.39 | pb_ | florian: what do you plan to do with the history file? |
| 21:59.52 | pb_ | we originally turned it off because it seemed to be no use, and it was causing a permissions problem. |
| 22:00.17 | pb_ | iirc, it was difficult to stop anonymous checkouts from wanting to write to that file. |
| 22:03.11 | nilsf | pb_: Hi! |
| 22:03.22 | pb_ | nilsf: good evening! |
| 22:03.22 | nilsf | pb_: I have a problem with gpe-blueooth... |
| 22:03.31 | pb_ | oh dear. what's wrong? |
| 22:03.47 | florian | pb_: i realld would like to have cvstrac for gpe. |
| 22:03.50 | nilsf | pb_: When I create a BNEP connection to my notebook, the connection succeeds, I get a bnep0 interface on PC but not on iPaq. |
| 22:03.57 | florian | s/realld/really |
| 22:03.59 | nilsf | pb_: If I do this on iPaq using pand it works. |
| 22:04.57 | pb_ | nilsf: is /usr/lib/gpe-bluetooth/bnep-helper in order? |
| 22:05.01 | pb_ | it needs to be setuid root |
| 22:05.21 | nilsf | pb_: mompls...checking it.. |
| 22:05.45 | nilsf | pb_: Yes, it is. |
| 22:06.38 | pb_ | Hm, I wonder what can be wrong. |
| 22:06.50 | pb_ | If you run gpe-bluetooth from inside a terminal, does it print any error messages? |
| 22:07.07 | pb_ | florian: remind me once more what cvstrac does? |
| 22:09.40 | florian | pb_: cvs patchsets and browsing, cvs timelines and related stuff, milestone and bugtracking, wiki |
| 22:12.57 | nilsf | pb_: OK, I'll try that one too... |
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| 22:15.24 | pb_ | florian: ah, right, sounds cool. it's a bit of a shame that it needs the history file though. |
| 22:16.02 | florian | pb_: well.. it works without it, at least basically - but it is no fun. |
| 22:16.14 | pb_ | ah |
| 22:17.31 | nilsf | Does anyone still have a copy of the localised xkbd keyboard layouts, like German? |
| 22:18.35 | florian | pb_: e.g. for issue tracking the checkin information are quite important. and it is very nice to have a cvs timeline to see what is going on. |
| 22:19.46 | p0m | Might help if i'd actually installed apt-get before trying to use it. |
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| 22:23.20 | nilsf | OK, found the xkbd-de using ipkg find... |
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| 22:39.02 | nilsf | mallum: Hi, still awake? |
| 22:39.38 | mallum | nilsf, yes |
| 22:39.43 | nilsf | mallum: Cool ;) |
| 22:39.46 | mallum | :) |
| 22:39.51 | nilsf | mallum: I have a problem with xkbd ;) |
| 22:40.15 | nilsf | mallum: I am trying to get the old de keaboard layout to work again. But all Umlauts are gone. |
| 22:40.27 | nilsf | They are there and work but xkbd does not display them. |
| 22:40.36 | mallum | nilsf, dont really develop xkbd any more :( |
| 22:40.40 | nilsf | (the key label is missing) |
| 22:41.00 | nilsf | I do not "develop" on it ;) I just wanted to get the map working again... |
| 22:41.53 | mallum | I've started a new keyboard to better handles issues like that |
| 22:42.02 | mallum | xkbd was the first xlib prog I worte |
| 22:42.26 | nilsf | Oh, and while we are at, where can I permanently config anoter mapfile for xkbd in current familiar? |
| 22:42.54 | mallum | a new default ? |
| 22:43.29 | nilsf | Ah, got it, remembered again: virtual keyboard config ;) |
| 22:43.35 | florian | pb_: did you ever see sqlite loop in a commit operation? |
| 22:43.49 | florian | koen: :-) |
| 22:46.22 | pb_ | florian: I don't think so |
| 22:48.01 | nilsf | pb_: Aha, gpe-bluetooth comlains: libglade-warning: libgnome.so: cannot open shared library... |
| 22:48.54 | pb_ | nilsf: I think that should be harmless. Gpe-bluetooth doesn't use any GNOME functions. |
| 22:49.30 | nilsf | Hmm... this is what happened... |
| 22:50.27 | nilsf | And this time connect seemed to work, I got a new interface... but I started it as root :) |
| 22:51.08 | pb_ | Ah, strange. That setuid helper program is meant to obviate the need for running as root. |
| 22:52.56 | nilsf | pb_: I'll try again without... but it also seems to me quite unpredictable if it works or not. |
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| 23:13.07 | koen | florian: looks like cvs is working again for you |
| 23:14.19 | florian | koen: right, pb_ fixed it... it was an issue of this single directory. |
| 23:14.38 | koen | ah, ok |
| 23:14.51 | koen | I hadn't seen a reply to your mail yet |
| 23:15.15 | florian | pb_: http://handhelds.org/~florian/vtype-utils_0.6.bb (sending mails is a little bit nasty at the moment...) |
| 23:15.30 | florian | ah right, i should cancer this... |
| 23:15.43 | florian | s/cancer/cancel |
| 23:16.13 | koen | florian: ping me tomorrow to update familiar-0.8.1.conf for that |
| 23:17.40 | florian | koen: we need to update gpe-beam as well, it either provides the same file or tries to use a differently named binary. |
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| 23:19.43 | koen | hey nilsf_ |
| 23:20.03 | nilsf_ | koen: Hi ;) |
| 23:20.29 | koen | nilsf_: check http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqH5400 |
| 23:20.34 | koen | Eric and I updated it |
| 23:22.08 | pb_ | florian: thanks, I'll check that it |
| 23:22.10 | pb_ | s/it/in/ |
| 23:27.44 | florian | pb_: thanks |
| 23:28.39 | nilsf_ | koen: Cool, thanks! |
| 23:28.50 | nilsf_ | koen: Do the already use LAB or still bootldr? |
| 23:29.06 | koen | older ipaqs are better off with bootld |
| 23:29.26 | koen | r |
| 23:29.28 | koen | the h5xxx is an edge case |
| 23:29.45 | koen | since support for the lcd would be nice too have |
| 23:30.06 | florian | pb_: just fixed this bug in libgpevtype that caused this g_object error... |
| 23:30.13 | pb_ | florian: excellent! |
| 23:30.41 | pb_ | if you'd like to release a new version of that, I'll update the .bb file |
| 23:32.08 | florian | pb_: ok, wait a second |
| 23:36.17 | nilsf_ | pb_: OK, gpe-bluetooth does also work or not work as user without additional output. Sometimes connection succeed and bnep0 is created, sometimes I just get the bnep device on the host side but not on iPaq...very strange. |
| 23:36.38 | pb_ | nilsf_: mm, that's certainly strange |
| 23:36.42 | florian | pb_: finished |
| 23:36.47 | nilsf_ | pb_: But it seems that connection establishment using pand does seem to work any time... |
| 23:37.05 | pb_ | florian: what's the version number of the new release? |
| 23:37.17 | koen | 0.7 |
| 23:39.59 | mallum | florian, http://svn.o-hand.com/view/matchbox/trunk/settings-daemon/ :) |
| 23:40.04 | mallum | florian, just commited |
| 23:42.59 | pb_ | florian: done |
| 23:43.50 | florian | mallum: cool! |
| 23:44.48 | mallum | florian, you can do like 'gconftool-2 --set --type float /platform/ui/font_rendering/dpi 100.0' and all you gtk fonts will change |
| 23:45.04 | mallum | florian, or gconftool-2 --set --type string /apps/matchbox/general/theme MBOpus etc etc |
| 23:45.17 | mallum | florian, the exact keys still need to be worked out |
| 23:46.13 | mallum | florian, it would be very easy to hack the gnome font tool for example to work with it |
| 23:46.28 | florian | mallum: very nice! |
| 23:53.26 | florian | pb_: use gpe-beam 0.2.7 :-) |
| 23:53.50 | florian | mallum: i need to test this next week... |
| 23:54.06 | pb_ | florian: is vcard-send.patch obsolete now? |
| 23:54.10 | koen | florian: looks like your on a coding frenzy :) |
| 23:55.00 | florian | pb_: yes |
| 23:55.04 | pb_ | great |
| 23:55.14 | florian | koen: yes indeed :-) |
| 23:55.44 | pb_ | florian: right, I checked that in |
| 23:58.17 | florian | pb_: that gtk update might be interesting too... did you read my mail about that gpe-package issue? |
| 23:58.33 | pb_ | florian: I saw the mail, but I didn't look into the issue at all. |
| 23:59.04 | pb_ | it'd certainly be worth looking to see if the new gtk changes anything, though. |