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| 07:26.33 | cedric | ~logs |
| 07:26.34 | ibot | i guess logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian, or stats for some channels at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz for apt, ibot, jbot and purl. |
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| 08:06.17 | cedric | ~seen koen |
| 08:06.18 | ibot | koen <koen@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 10h 36m 38s ago, saying: ''night all'. |
| 08:24.38 | koen | good morning all |
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| 08:33.32 | cedric | hey koen |
| 08:34.30 | koen | hey cedric |
| 08:35.21 | cedric | I've build libpng 1.2.8 and it's ok with gpe, so could add it to OE? I've just copy the .bbs from 1.2.7 |
| 08:36.16 | koen | If it works, send it the the mailinglist (oe@handhelds.org) |
| 08:37.07 | cedric | I've built aswell the latest minimo (20050131) and when I try to install it, it installed the firefox ipk... why? |
| 08:37.36 | cedric | koen: like I said I've just copy the .bbs file from 1.2.7 to 1.2.8 |
| 08:44.54 | cedric | koen: any clue about minimo? |
| 08:45.02 | koen | no |
| 08:45.23 | koen | but installing minimo resulted in installing thunderburd too last month |
| 08:45.44 | koen | cedric: libpng 1.2.8 isin |
| 08:45.50 | koen | s/isin/is in/ |
| 08:46.33 | cedric | koen: cool |
| 08:47.49 | cedric | koen: minimo control file has firefox as a dependency, I can't see where is defined in the minimo_cvs.bb |
| 08:49.35 | cedric | koen: for libpng, u need to copy aswell libpng-native_1.2.7.bb to libpng-native_1.2.8.bb |
| 08:57.24 | cedric | ~seen pb_ |
| 08:57.26 | ibot | pb_ <~pb@2002:3e03:42cc:2:20a:5eff:fe00:391e> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 14h 20m 1s ago, saying: 'good idea'. |
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| 09:07.25 | koen | 4hey florian_hrz |
| 09:07.45 | florian_hrz | hi koen |
| 09:07.47 | florian_hrz | hi all |
| 09:20.30 | florian_hrz | weee |
| 09:23.45 | florian_hrz | koen: looks good, this is a good base for discussions. i think you found all basic requirements. |
| 09:24.35 | koen | and we can discuss it some more on FOSDEM after the GPE demo :) |
| 09:26.15 | florian_hrz | Yes right, sounds like a good idea - but it is important to have a set of options to discuss. Without this we won't have enough time... |
| 09:28.44 | koen | let's see what the discussion on the mailinglist turns up |
| 09:30.13 | florian_hrz | hmm... we need a easier to use bugtracking system. |
| 09:30.46 | koen | we need some people interested in maintaining the bugzilla system |
| 09:33.02 | florian_hrz | i think about using cvstrac for gpe... we could use it for almost everything we need. |
| 09:35.19 | florian_hrz | iirc it might be possible to run this on handhelds.org for testing purposes without any extra rights |
| 09:37.17 | florian_hrz | brb |
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| 09:45.14 | florian_hrz | re |
| 09:47.16 | koen | wb |
| 09:52.46 | koen | florian_hrz: I just fixed the gpsdrive .bb |
| 09:53.14 | koen | gdk-pixbuf-loader-foo are only provided runtime, not build time. gtk+ provides them at build time |
| 09:53.50 | florian_hrz | koen: oh great - thank you! |
| 09:56.38 | koen | it took me some trial and error to see the difference between DEPEND and RDPENDS, but I think I got it right |
| 10:01.17 | koen | eeks! |
| 10:01.25 | koen | hh.org httpd is borked |
| 10:02.05 | florian_hrz | uh no :-/ |
| 10:02.14 | florian_hrz | it worked about one hour ago :-/ |
| 10:04.41 | koen | just as I wanted to make a scap |
| 10:06.17 | koen | gpsd works |
| 10:06.22 | koen | ehm |
| 10:06.24 | koen | gpsdrive |
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| 10:08.36 | florian_hrz | koen: ah cool! |
| 10:08.36 | florian_hrz | mallum: morning |
| 10:08.43 | koen | hey mallum |
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| 10:11.17 | koen | ey reenoo |
| 10:11.34 | reenoo | morning |
| 10:11.38 | reenoo | hi koen |
| 10:12.01 | florian_hrz | hi reenoo |
| 10:12.29 | reenoo | moin florian_hrz |
| 10:15.38 | mallum | hey hey |
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| 10:19.10 | rob_w | hi all |
| 10:19.28 | koen | hey rob_w |
| 10:38.29 | rob_w | things are improving as i see on the mailinglist |
| 10:43.34 | florian_hrz | bbl |
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| 10:52.30 | koen | 'morning pb_ |
| 11:11.44 | koen | rob_w: feel free to respond to it, it sure needs some more input |
| 11:14.54 | pigeon | pb_: wow... hey... Rydges is cheap or what... |
| 11:15.34 | pb_ | pigeon: heh |
| 11:16.14 | pigeon | or am I not seraching the right thing. |
| 11:17.22 | pigeon | oh... i want wrong then. |
| 11:17.38 | pigeon | now i should be saying, pb_, you're rich! ;) |
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| 11:22.56 | koen | hey tigrux |
| 11:23.15 | tigrux | Hello koen |
| 11:23.33 | cedric | pb_: I've build the latest minimo (20050131) but it has dependency installation with firefox, so why? |
| 11:25.23 | pb_ | cedric: I have no idea. |
| 11:25.27 | pb_ | hi tigrux |
| 11:25.38 | tigrux | Master pb_ ! |
| 11:25.45 | tigrux | Madrid is beautiful. :-) |
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| 11:27.21 | cedric | pb_: I think u r the maintener of that .bb file |
| 11:28.20 | pigeon | pb_: where are you staying in sydney? |
| 11:28.59 | rob_w | hot glue pistols are really fun :-) |
| 11:29.47 | rob_w | had to use it quite often these days for all kinds of broken toys |
| 11:31.03 | koen | tigrux: I'm bitbaking a gpe-image *with* a root password so you can diagnose the touchscreen problem |
| 11:32.19 | koen | tigrux: jobi had a similar problem because ts.conf decided to go missing |
| 11:33.21 | koen|uni | bbl |
| 11:33.49 | tigrux | koen|uni: Good, please, once it is ready, announce it as a topic or in the mailing list. |
| 11:34.19 | pb_ | pigeon: not sure yet. I haven't booked anything there. |
| 11:34.40 | pigeon | oh... |
| 11:34.42 | pb_ | cedric: indeed, but I have never seen that particular problem. |
| 11:35.12 | pb_ | pigeon: I'll figure something out later this week, I guess. |
| 11:35.33 | cedric | pb_: the control file has a dependency with firefox... and don't know where to change it in OE |
| 11:36.06 | koen|uni | tigrux: ok |
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| 11:36.55 | florian_kc | re |
| 11:37.01 | pb_ | florian_kc: good morning |
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| 11:38.40 | florian_kc | pb_: hi |
| 11:39.17 | koen|uni | foound! |
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| 11:47.41 | florian_kc | hi nilsf |
| 11:50.25 | mallum_ | hey nilsf |
| 11:50.55 | mallum_ | where does koen hide his .ipk's |
| 11:51.54 | florian_kc | hmm... that dominion machine, but i don't remember the compolete url. |
| 11:54.24 | pb_ | I wonder why he doesn't put them in the unstable feed. |
| 11:54.52 | florian_kc | hmm no idea, maybe he doen't ant to break it ;) |
| 11:55.30 | florian_kc | i suffer from data loss in my brain-pc interface again :-/ |
| 11:55.41 | pb_ | heh, oh dear |
| 12:09.52 | koen | re |
| 12:10.24 | mallum_ | koen, hey where is you secret ipk stash ? |
| 12:11.10 | koen | http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/feed/ |
| 12:11.34 | florian_kc | koen: wb |
| 12:12.20 | koen | florian_kc: thanks |
| 12:25.53 | koen | mallum_: thanks for the input! |
| 12:31.14 | koen | tigrux: try http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/gpe-passwd-h3900-20050202.jffs2 md5sums in http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/md5sums |
| 12:31.45 | tigrux | koen: Thanks. |
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| 12:47.44 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 12:53.13 | bedboi | hi there |
| 12:59.17 | florian_kc | hi bedboi |
| 13:05.29 | mallum_ | koen, hmm, nobodys replied |
| 13:05.41 | koen | mallum_: give them time |
| 13:07.48 | mallum_ | koen, time is relative concept |
| 13:08.00 | koen | yeah |
| 13:08.12 | florian_kc | mallum_: you are a little bit impatient, right? :-) |
| 13:09.05 | mallum_ | florian_kc, who moi ? |
| 13:10.29 | florian_kc | mallum_: no? |
| 13:13.31 | mallum_ | florian_kc, ;) |
| 13:15.31 | florian_kc | mallum_: fix your xchat, that ',' looks stupid ;-) |
| 13:24.30 | cedric | is gpe-nmf only an audio player? no video? |
| 13:25.17 | pb_ | correct |
| 13:25.44 | cedric | and for video on gpe? |
| 13:25.48 | koen | vlc |
| 13:28.37 | koen | mallum_: you could respond to your own message ;) |
| 13:29.00 | cedric | koen/pb_: thx |
| 13:34.43 | TyggerBob | mornin all |
| 13:36.26 | koen | 'morning TyggerBob |
| 13:45.25 | TyggerBob | man.. I hate it when I forget to take my SMC wireless card out of the sleeve |
| 13:55.54 | mallum_ | florian_kc@ ok |
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| 14:07.20 | koen | heh |
| 14:07.50 | koen | I just received a letter from the local telco: we have disconnected your phoneline, pay us to reconnect it |
| 14:08.21 | koen | I have been trying to get it disconnected for over a year to get adsl.... |
| 14:15.57 | florian_kc | mallum_: eeks! |
| 14:16.35 | florian_kc | koen: hehe |
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| 14:33.42 | florian_kc | koen: heh... i have a GIO32 tr card :-) |
| 14:33.53 | koen | heh |
| 14:34.14 | koen | so my sparc5 can interface with your octane |
| 14:35.28 | florian_kc | koen: in this case with my indy :-) |
| 14:37.28 | mallum_ | koen, throw you sparc5 in the bin |
| 14:37.39 | mallum_ | koen, or out of the window |
| 14:37.44 | koen | nah |
| 14:37.49 | mallum_ | koen, or florian_kc smash it with octane |
| 14:37.57 | koen | it's got 256MB of ram |
| 14:37.57 | mallum_ | HULK SMASH |
| 14:38.12 | mallum_ | talk that out first then |
| 14:38.26 | koen | be carefull, or I throw my indigo2 at your thinkpad |
| 14:38.27 | mallum_ | my watch has 2K of RAM |
| 14:39.13 | koen | creative solutions: http://www.thinkoutside.com/support/Stowaway/iPaqConfig.pdf |
| 14:39.47 | mallum_ | dadadadada |
| 14:42.59 | mallum_ | HULK SMASH |
| 14:57.21 | TyggerBob | back again |
| 14:57.29 | koen | wb tigrux and TyggerBob |
| 15:00.30 | TyggerBob | yeah.. that's what I'm missing to. that and any other TR cards :) |
| 15:00.43 | koen | heh |
| 15:00.54 | koen | a CAU would be much nicer |
| 15:01.13 | koen | I have some HSTR cards gathering dust at my parent's house |
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| 15:03.09 | koen | tigrux: when you test that image, can you report your finding? |
| 15:05.05 | tigrux | koen: Of course, I always complain when I have some problem. :-) |
| 15:05.41 | TyggerBob | hehehe |
| 15:08.56 | koen | when this image comes out ok, I'll start a batch build |
| 15:08.56 | TyggerBob | what's new in this build? |
| 15:14.12 | koen | nothing spectacular |
| 15:23.09 | TyggerBob | hrmm. |
| 15:23.16 | TyggerBob | is there a way around this: |
| 15:23.17 | TyggerBob | configure: error: cannot determine snprintf format string for long long int |
| 15:23.18 | TyggerBob | ? |
| 15:24.10 | koen | dunno |
| 15:24.19 | koen | whois our local atd expert? |
| 15:24.20 | koen | Stopping at daemon: atdstart-stop-daemon: unrecognized option `--oknodo' |
| 15:25.32 | florian_kc | koen: imho this option is simply obsolete |
| 15:27.53 | koen | too bad I can't scap this |
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| 15:28.42 | koen | mallum_: the mb-clock displays 12:15, but when I click it it says 16:28 |
| 15:37.02 | mallum_ | koen, oops |
| 15:37.31 | mallum_ | koen, thats a bit silly |
| 15:37.58 | koen | It updated the next minute |
| 15:38.07 | __moray | koen: sounds like an old-fashioned watch, you just need to shake it a bit occasionally ;) |
| 15:38.51 | koen | indeed |
| 15:39.04 | pb_ | TyggerBob: you'll have to add an appropriate entry to your site file |
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| 15:40.32 | hadess | yay |
| 15:40.38 | koen | hey hadess |
| 15:40.52 | hadess | hey koen |
| 15:40.58 | florian_kc | hi hadess |
| 15:41.03 | hadess | hey florian_kc |
| 15:42.53 | hadess | koen: you're not missing much ;) |
| 15:46.21 | koen | a 800x600 screen would be nice on my ipaq |
| 15:47.42 | florian_kc | hadess: it unmounts all cf/mmc/pcmcia memory cards. |
| 15:48.17 | hadess | florian_kc: ha, thanks |
| 15:48.29 | mallum_ | hadess, how com you have a netbook byatch ? |
| 15:48.46 | florian_kc | hadess: btw. does mmc work for you? |
| 15:48.59 | florian_kc | mallum_: he is crazy like me ;-) |
| 15:49.33 | hadess | florian_kc: i only have a CF card, no MMC |
| 15:49.39 | hadess | mallum_: because i have contacts ;) |
| 15:50.03 | mallum_ | hadess, can it play video ? |
| 15:50.14 | pb_ | hadess: heh. clearly contacts who don't like you very much. |
| 15:51.14 | hadess | mallum_: well, it has a brilliant tool to do that, but i haven't tested it yet |
| 15:51.21 | hadess | i don't even know if the sound works on it |
| 15:51.38 | hadess | florian_kc: are you still doing devel on it? |
| 15:51.42 | mallum_ | hadess, realplayer ? |
| 15:51.47 | hadess | pb_: well, don't you have one too? |
| 15:51.55 | hadess | mallum_: no, i have the linux version, and it runs with totem :) |
| 15:51.56 | pb_ | hadess: ah yes, so I do |
| 15:52.02 | mallum_ | hadess, ;) |
| 15:52.14 | mallum_ | everyone has one apart from poor little matthew |
| 15:53.48 | florian_kc | hadess: not at the moment... but i hope for some time to add support for it to oe |
| 15:54.09 | florian_kc | mallum_: you really don't want, im almst certain. |
| 15:54.18 | mallum_ | florian_kc, ok |
| 15:54.23 | mallum_ | florian_kc, I have cooler toys |
| 15:54.35 | mallum_ | florian_kc, not from this world |
| 15:54.47 | mallum_ | florian_kc, not understood by mere mortals |
| 15:54.56 | hadess | koen: mallum_ made it work, some years ago |
| 15:55.07 | hadess | and he owes an ipaq minus a battery iirc :) |
| 15:55.08 | florian_kc | mallum_: :-) |
| 15:55.18 | mallum_ | hadess, its here waiting for you |
| 15:55.59 | florian_kc | mallum_: but you are right - that Zaurus is smaller and faster than a nbp |
| 15:56.25 | florian_kc | hadess: ususall yes |
| 15:56.34 | florian_kc | s/ll/lly |
| 15:57.01 | mallum_ | florian_kc, I never said zaurus |
| 15:57.09 | hadess | hm, not on this one |
| 15:57.21 | pb_ | hadess: dropbear |
| 15:57.23 | florian_kc | mallum_: but this one is from a different world ;)) |
| 15:57.39 | mallum_ | florian_kc, yes |
| 15:57.48 | mallum_ | florian_kc, well bromley high street |
| 15:57.49 | hadess | pb_: ha, smaller i guess |
| 15:57.53 | pb_ | yeah |
| 15:58.05 | pb_ | openssh is monstrous, it takes about 2MB |
| 15:58.42 | florian_kc | mallum_: uh? |
| 15:59.21 | hadess | florian_kc: do you know whether the synchronise function actually does anything? |
| 15:59.33 | mallum_ | florian_kc, uuuh? |
| 16:00.08 | mallum_ | florian_kc, just messing around |
| 16:00.20 | mallum_ | florian_kc, I thought one of them netbooks would actually be quite nice |
| 16:00.26 | mallum_ | but obviously not |
| 16:00.58 | florian_kc | hadess: imho no, but you could set up gpe-multisync to sync using multisync. |
| 16:01.42 | hadess | nod |
| 16:03.15 | florian_kc | mallum_: They are nice in terms of battery capacity and have a nice case, but they are really slow and expensive. |
| 16:03.32 | koen | hadess: what are the gnome deps of totem? gnomevfs and gconf? |
| 16:03.38 | florian_kc | mallum_: do you know the Flybook? |
| 16:05.07 | hadess | koen: gnome-vfs, gconf, gtk+, libnautilus-burn as well these days |
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| 16:05.21 | hadess | but i want to remove the libnautilus-burn dep for the gtk+ only build |
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| 16:05.53 | koen | ah, it in OE allready |
| 16:06.07 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 16:06.19 | florian_kc | hmm... we really need gnome-vfs/dbus |
| 16:06.37 | reenoo | evening all |
| 16:06.51 | florian_kc | hi reenoo |
| 16:07.13 | reenoo | florian_kc: yeah. that'd be nice indeed :) |
| 16:07.46 | florian_kc | do we need this daemon on a pda? |
| 16:08.09 | florian_kc | s/daemon/gnome-vfs daemon |
| 16:08.09 | hadess | dbus already runs on it |
| 16:08.15 | hadess | florian_kc: yeah |
| 16:08.30 | pb_ | hadess: yah, I think he means a version of gnome-vfs that uses dbus rather than ORBit |
| 16:08.42 | florian_kc | indeed... |
| 16:08.54 | hadess | pb_: yeah, and the gnome-vfs daemon is in use |
| 16:09.05 | hadess | i'd like to know whether it would make sense to use hal |
| 16:09.26 | florian_kc | hah, we had this dicussion some days ago. |
| 16:10.43 | mallum_ | we were talking about a minihal |
| 16:11.05 | mallum_ | that did hal compat dbus messages but wasn't hal |
| 16:12.08 | hadess | that would be neat |
| 16:12.30 | mallum_ | pda has a lot less to worry about than desktop |
| 16:12.41 | mallum_ | only really cf/sd slots |
| 16:13.07 | mallum_ | I dunno how big hal is though |
| 16:14.26 | hadess | Size : 350223 |
| 16:15.24 | hadess | 350k is a small price to pay |
| 16:16.19 | hadess | and just support for PCMCIA, USB devices, mass storage |
| 16:16.44 | mallum_ | hadess, 2.6 only right ? |
| 16:17.33 | koen|food | pb_: is it possible to tag hh37.5 to include the hc_sl811_cs and the h5400 sound fix? |
| 16:17.46 | pb_ | sure, go for it |
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| 16:18.06 | hadess | mallum_: yeah |
| 16:18.19 | hadess | hey Hallski |
| 16:18.21 | koen|food | hey Hallski |
| 16:18.22 | pb_ | hadess: yah, 350k doesn't sound unreasonable |
| 16:19.17 | mallum_ | I wonder how much of that 350k is pure waste though |
| 16:19.23 | koen|food | pb_: I don't have enough cvs-voodoo to do that |
| 16:19.38 | hadess | mallum_: you can probably remove the "device manager" and all the docs |
| 16:20.14 | pb_ | koen|food: ah. okay, I'll take care of it, then |
| 16:20.39 | koen|food | cool, thanks |
| 16:20.59 | koen|food | I'll update the defconfig in OE after that |
| 16:21.03 | mallum_ | hadess, really needs looking at more |
| 16:29.35 | koen|food | we patch gtk to use tap-and-hold as a right mouse button, right? |
| 16:31.05 | mallum_ | ewe |
| 16:35.30 | mallum_ | An excellent way to hide functionality from the user |
| 16:35.51 | mallum_ | maybe in some cases in cant be avoided |
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| 16:58.17 | rob_w | hi koen |
| 16:58.22 | koen | hey rob_w |
| 17:10.09 | pb_ | yes, that's what the gtkstylus module does |
| 17:11.05 | koen | so the reply to the mail on the ml can be: gtkstylus provides such functionality allready |
| 17:11.38 | pb_ | yup, except for the WM2003 visual effect |
| 17:12.02 | pb_ | (which I'm not in any particular hurry to implement, though it might be a neat project for someone) |
| 17:12.52 | florian_kc | right... but it might be worth adding it to our todo wiki |
| 17:12.58 | pb_ | yeah |
| 17:13.09 | pb_ | the other todo item in that area is audible feedback for this kind of event. |
| 17:13.31 | florian_kc | uh |
| 17:14.06 | pb_ | lots of people have asked for the thing to make clicks and chimes when you tap the screen and when the click-and-hold thing happens. |
| 17:14.11 | florian_kc | audible feedback for events in general... |
| 17:14.20 | pb_ | yeah |
| 17:14.53 | pb_ | we'd talked about having some kind of gpe-sound-effects-generator daemon that you would talk to over d-bus when you wanted to emit such a noise. |
| 17:15.10 | florian_kc | would be nice to have, but i don't think it is that urgent. |
| 17:15.19 | pb_ | or, more generally, that you'd talk to when an "interesting" event happens, so that it could decide whether or not to actually play a sound |
| 17:15.21 | florian_kc | that would be cool |
| 17:15.24 | koen | that's almost as good as gpe-blinkenlights! |
| 17:16.48 | florian_kc | heh |
| 17:16.52 | mallum_ | dont gnome do that already without dbus ? |
| 17:23.54 | florian_kc | "please wipe from left to right now!" |
| 17:24.56 | koen | a mini windscreenwiper for your ipaq! |
| 17:25.12 | koen | using SDIO to control the interval |
| 17:26.58 | florian_kc | heh |
| 17:27.41 | florian_kc | if we start to create hardware: What about a cf-shaver?! |
| 17:29.27 | florian_kc | koen: that would be the chance to update ;) |
| 17:30.51 | koen | hehe |
| 17:34.51 | TyggerBob | oh yea!! |
| 17:35.04 | TyggerBob | another security tool compiled and working :) |
| 17:35.13 | koen | TyggerBob: cool! |
| 17:36.35 | TyggerBob | thcrut |
| 17:37.06 | TyggerBob | it's a scanner/passive detection/fingerprinting tool. |
| 17:38.23 | rob_w | koen: shaver , shaver !! |
| 17:38.40 | rob_w | TyggerBob: named ? |
| 17:39.11 | TyggerBob | thcrut |
| 17:39.25 | rob_w | oh , i thought that was a typo |
| 17:39.25 | TyggerBob | thc-Are You There? |
| 17:39.39 | rob_w | *psst* |
| 17:42.16 | rob_w | TyggerBob: looks like it can brake MAC-authentification at wlan .. damn ,then i ve to change my ap soon |
| 17:43.01 | rob_w | TyggerBob: do i sort your packages somewhere reachable ? |
| 17:43.33 | TyggerBob | when I creat a .bb file that works, I submit it to openembedded to be included in the main tree. |
| 17:43.43 | TyggerBob | you can build them anytime you want |
| 17:45.17 | rob_w | ipkg find should be updated to include also a latest .bb compileable apps |
| 17:45.35 | TyggerBob | that would be messy |
| 17:46.16 | rob_w | but it was meant to do such things , right ? |
| 17:48.33 | rob_w | if i do ipkg install -noaction matchbox it only says it would install that package . Is that a reliable output or will it suck more dependency`s if i make it for real ? |
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| 17:49.41 | luc_ | hi |
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| 17:50.20 | TyggerBob | actually, if they're in the tree, they'll get built when koen does his next world build |
| 17:50.26 | TyggerBob | koen: right? |
| 17:50.35 | koen | correct |
| 17:51.10 | TyggerBob | I'm assuming that this is not a critical problem: |
| 17:51.12 | koen | strange |
| 17:51.12 | TyggerBob | NOTE: Couldn't find shared library provider for libgcc_s.so.1 |
| 17:51.12 | rob_w|pda | ok, but it is still hard to know what they do |
| 17:51.20 | TyggerBob | what's strange |
| 17:51.20 | TyggerBob | ? |
| 17:51.40 | koen | it built, but after committing and pulling to the my other repo it fails |
| 17:52.14 | rob_w|pda | koen: the thcrut ? |
| 17:52.53 | koen | yes |
| 17:53.02 | TyggerBob | hrm |
| 17:58.26 | koen | TyggerBob: http://pastebin.ca/5156 |
| 17:59.40 | TyggerBob | weird |
| 18:00.33 | TyggerBob | I've done a clean make each time and it builds every time. |
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| 18:08.21 | koen | TyggerBob: can you pull from devel and try it out yourself? |
| 18:08.30 | TyggerBob | going to do that right now |
| 18:09.12 | TyggerBob | what's that -q thing for fixing your tree? |
| 18:09.13 | TyggerBob | for bk |
| 18:09.27 | eyck | hmm, OE changed format of package files? 'oemake gpe-image' no longer works... and those '.oe' files are gone... |
| 18:09.51 | koen | eyck: it's been that ways for months now |
| 18:10.04 | koen | and we use bitbake now |
| 18:10.12 | koen | reread getting started :) |
| 18:10.22 | eyck | what's bitbake? |
| 18:10.26 | eyck | damn. |
| 18:10.27 | TyggerBob | bk -q -r something |
| 18:10.47 | eyck | bk? I can't use bk. |
| 18:10.58 | koen | off course you can |
| 18:11.21 | koen | can't and won't are sperate things |
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| 18:11.38 | eyck | you've got extra licences laying around? |
| 18:11.56 | koen | why? |
| 18:12.13 | eyck | bk requires licence. I ain't got one. |
| 18:12.19 | eyck | even if I would want to. |
| 18:12.30 | koen | you can get the license from bk |
| 18:12.41 | koen | ehm, bm |
| 18:12.44 | eyck | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.00 | koen | the free licence does the job for me |
| 18:13.12 | eyck | hmm, the 'free' licence ain't that free... |
| 18:13.29 | eyck | especially for most people having anything to do with software development.. |
| 18:13.31 | koen | free enough |
| 18:13.44 | koen | I do software dev and I can use it |
| 18:13.54 | eyck | hmm, |
| 18:13.56 | koen | that's why bk is used |
| 18:14.00 | koen | is a RCS |
| 18:14.11 | koen | SCS even |
| 18:14.13 | TyggerBob | koen, what's the bk command to fix your repository, again? |
| 18:14.15 | __moray | koen: if you/your employer/an organisation you have a connection to does version-control-related stuff, the "free" licence doesn't apply to you |
| 18:14.16 | eyck | so you haven't played with versioning scripts in your life? |
| 18:14.31 | eyck | or maybe bigger software packages like svk? |
| 18:14.47 | eyck | 'free' licence doesen't work for people who play with versioning... |
| 18:14.59 | eyck | that would include most advanced filesystems |
| 18:15.03 | koen | __moray: you can't use them while developing SCS's |
| 18:15.20 | __moray | koen: they've confirmed it's intentionally vague so that they can stop people if they feel like it |
| 18:15.25 | koen | (and the bk license isn't valid in the Netherlands) |
| 18:16.08 | eyck | anyhoo, I can't use bk. |
| 18:16.24 | koen | then use the snapshots |
| 18:16.29 | koen | or the cvs gateway |
| 18:16.37 | eyck | I use cvs gateway, |
| 18:16.47 | eyck | it work's fine with svk, ( when it's up ) |
| 18:16.50 | eyck | works |
| 18:17.00 | koen | TyggerBob: bk -r co -q |
| 18:17.12 | eyck | so we no longer use 'oemake' ? |
| 18:17.29 | koen | no |
| 18:17.42 | koen | reread gettingstarted |
| 18:18.42 | eyck | hmm, in other words old OE/gpe project was closed |
| 18:19.09 | koen | no, why do you think that? |
| 18:19.33 | florian_kc | bbl |
| 18:19.37 | eyck | hmm, because I now need to recreate my whole setup |
| 18:20.11 | koen | I still fail to see why that would close a whole project? |
| 18:23.02 | eyck | well, old project is dead. |
| 18:23.13 | eyck | no longer maintained. |
| 18:23.15 | koen | it isn't dead |
| 18:23.30 | koen | kergoth just did mv *.oe *.bb |
| 18:23.57 | koen | why would it be unmaintaned? |
| 18:24.08 | eyck | well, it doesen't build no more. |
| 18:24.19 | koen | that is *your* problem |
| 18:24.27 | koen | not the project's problem |
| 18:24.50 | eyck | projects usually care about their users. |
| 18:25.17 | koen | It was announced and it's on the website |
| 18:25.54 | koen | It was even mailed to a zillion mailinglists |
| 18:26.21 | eyck | that the old project was closed and new one created. |
| 18:26.23 | eyck | bye bye. |
| 18:26.31 | koen | it wasn't closed |
| 18:26.38 | koen | the files where renamed |
| 18:26.42 | eyck | yes yes. and bitkeeper is free. |
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| 18:26.57 | koen | it's free for me |
| 18:27.12 | eyck | and I've got windows xp professional here. |
| 18:27.20 | eyck | and it's free for me. |
| 18:27.27 | dpro | hi |
| 18:27.38 | koen | eyck: see http://openembedded.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded |
| 18:28.12 | koen | 977 Changesets in the last eight weeks <- that looks really closed |
| 18:28.20 | koen | anyway |
| 18:28.27 | koen | OE -> #oe |
| 18:29.07 | __moray | mallum_: yeah |
| 18:29.18 | dpro | gpe-dm doesn't seem to recpgnize my stylus anympore (but I can still ssh into the ipaq) anybody has seen this ? |
| 18:29.23 | __moray | mallum_: though arch seems to do everything already if you can live with the dreadful interface |
| 18:29.52 | __moray | mallum_: the problem is, the replacement needs to be obviously better than bk for most people to bother switching :/ |
| 18:35.47 | TyggerBob | koen: fyi - http://pastebin.ca/5162 |
| 18:35.57 | TyggerBob | this is after a pull |
| 18:36.23 | koen | TyggerBob: cool |
| 18:36.47 | TyggerBob | dunno what to say |
| 18:36.48 | koen | that's means my initial test was correct |
| 18:37.10 | koen | (so I didn't push faulty stuff) |
| 18:38.11 | TyggerBob | I'll be making a new meta-sectest-gpe.bb soon, with hydra and thcrut in it |
| 18:38.47 | TyggerBob | what's the bk -r -q thing to repair your repository again? |
| 18:39.09 | koen | bk -r co -q |
| 18:39.17 | koen | that's check out the SCCS dir |
| 18:40.49 | TyggerBob | dpro, hav eyou tried a reset? |
| 18:42.04 | dpro | TuggerBob: yup a couple of times, didn't help |
| 18:42.15 | TyggerBob | take the battery out for a few minutes |
| 18:42.49 | koen | dpro: is /etc/ts.conf still present? |
| 18:43.23 | dpro | koen: hard to tell when the battery is out ;) |
| 18:47.44 | TyggerBob | koen, is it proper to send in diffs from bb version to version, or the actuall .bb files? |
| 18:49.12 | koen | TyggerBob: what do you mean? |
| 18:51.25 | TyggerBob | when I add packages to meta-sectest-gpe.bb as they become available, do I have to diff it each time, or can I just send in the new .bb file to oe@.hh.org? |
| 18:51.45 | koen | diffs would be nice |
| 18:51.51 | koen | bk diff <file> |
| 18:52.03 | TyggerBob | not a problem |
| 18:52.11 | TyggerBob | oh.. that's easier |
| 18:52.57 | TyggerBob | So I just bk vi the .bb file and then bk diff foo.bb? |
| 18:53.21 | koen | yes |
| 18:53.26 | TyggerBob | DOH |
| 18:53.29 | TyggerBob | thanks |
| 18:53.37 | koen | bk -r diffs spits out everything |
| 18:53.44 | TyggerBob | cool. |
| 18:54.05 | TyggerBob | if there's a hard way and an easy way, I can guarantee I'll find the harder one |
| 18:54.14 | koen | yeah |
| 18:54.26 | koen | I spent a few quality hours with bk helptool |
| 18:54.48 | koen | after the faad2 unix2dos line endingig episode |
| 18:56.31 | koen | TyggerBob: so someone can do bk patch < bla.patch |
| 18:57.11 | koen|afk | bbl |
| 19:02.38 | dpro | ok same thing here, touchscreen is completely ignored ... |
| 19:03.39 | dpro | koen: and /etc/ts.conf seems to be missing |
| 19:05.04 | dpro | anybody has a ts.conf somewhere i can wget it _ |
| 19:09.55 | TyggerBob | dpro: give me a sec |
| 19:12.43 | TyggerBob | dpro: http://www.thedaviesfamily.dns2go.com/ts.conf |
| 19:13.19 | TyggerBob | if your iPAQ has network access, and you can ssh/serial console into it, just go to /etc and do a wget |
| 19:14.28 | dpro | tyggerbob: thx yup that's what I'm trying, just the dyndns doesn't seem to work |
| 19:15.30 | dpro | tyggerbob: it says it's 24.42.96.94 but i can't even ping it |
| 19:15.54 | dpro | tyggerbob: can you try to /dcc me |
| 19:18.21 | TyggerBob | just pm'ed you |
| 19:18.49 | dpro | yup |
| 19:19.39 | TyggerBob | were you getting a weird login screen? |
| 19:19.45 | TyggerBob | pretty red? |
| 19:21.25 | dpro | hmm I only restarted gpe-dm and now the stylus moves the cursor, but pretty uncalibrated -> trying a reboot |
| 19:21.59 | TyggerBob | xtscal will run the calibration app |
| 19:23.11 | TyggerBob | just for fun, can you try that URL again? |
| 19:23.14 | TyggerBob | I figured out what was wrong |
| 19:23.24 | TyggerBob | just want to make sure it work from outside |
| 19:24.24 | dpro | now it worked |
| 19:24.28 | TyggerBob | good. |
| 19:24.37 | TyggerBob | that's apache running on the iPAQ :) |
| 19:25.59 | dpro | hehe |
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| 19:27.33 | TyggerBob | re florian |
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| 19:38.40 | florian | re |
| 19:43.37 | dpro | thanks seems to work again, now get the line out working ... |
| 19:46.32 | TyggerBob | florian: added two new tools to sectest: thcrut and hydra 4.5 |
| 19:52.27 | dpro | BTw how do I tell it to _not_ sleep after some inactivity ? |
| 19:52.50 | koen | dpro: use the config tool |
| 19:52.53 | TyggerBob | lol |
| 19:53.13 | TyggerBob | someone's IIS box is trying to run Code Red II against the apache server on my iPAQ :) |
| 19:53.20 | dpro | I wouldn't ask if that worked :) |
| 19:53.43 | dpro | I disabled everything with sleep config but after 1 minute ZZzzzzzz |
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| 20:26.54 | Pigi | Ciao all |
| 20:27.25 | koen | bbl |
| 20:34.25 | Pigi | florian, I have found the bug. It hasn't been easy, but at least I did :) |
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| 21:03.24 | Skyhusker | hi |
| 21:03.26 | Skyhusker | nilsf, ping |
| 21:03.45 | nilsf | Skyhusker: Hi |
| 21:03.56 | Skyhusker | hi :) |
| 21:04.02 | Skyhusker | may i msg? |
| 21:04.12 | nilsf | Sure! |
| 21:04.23 | Skyhusker | nice :) |
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| 21:12.31 | koen | hey p0m |
| 21:13.35 | koen | p0m: you could try to integrate a kbdd tab in the serial settings panel |
| 21:13.57 | p0m | Could try, except I have no c, c++ experience. |
| 21:14.13 | koen | p0m: gtk is really easy |
| 21:14.32 | koen | I don't have c experience either and could use it |
| 21:14.52 | koen | it just takes longer :) |
| 21:15.17 | koen | p0m: or you could talk nilsf into adding a tab |
| 21:15.28 | p0m | I'd rather take the easy route, install python, python-reg and pyGTK :) |
| 21:15.48 | p0m | Just use a stripped down version with all that is required. |
| 21:15.54 | p0m | The others can be installed later if needed. |
| 21:16.37 | nilsf | p0m: I just talkjed with Skyhusker and I'll add a config file option to kbdd and explore the inittab thing... |
| 21:16.47 | nilsf | An own runlevel for kbdd could rteally be feasable. |
| 21:17.05 | koen | nilsf: and a gpe-config panel entry for it? |
| 21:17.33 | nilsf | I'll talk to florian about it :)) |
| 21:17.34 | koen | a dropdown box with kbd type and a on/off button should be enough |
| 21:17.46 | florian | re |
| 21:17.51 | koen | florian: wb |
| 21:18.01 | florian | *yawn* |
| 21:18.26 | nilsf | florian: Could we add a kbdd config tab to the serial conf in gpe-conf? |
| 21:18.55 | p0m | The only problem with that idea is that bluelightning wants to add IR keyboard support to kbdd. |
| 21:19.08 | florian | nilsf: sounds like a good idea, i suppuse you will be able to tell me what to do :-) |
| 21:19.22 | nilsf | florian: Sure ;) |
| 21:19.48 | koen | p0m: the ir keyboard option would just force the use of ttyS1 |
| 21:19.54 | nilsf | p0m: This shouldn't be a problem. The IR keyboard is also "serial" in that way. Or is it really IrDA? |
| 21:19.58 | koen | and the smart bt one needs rfcomm0 |
| 21:20.08 | koen | nilsf: irda |
| 21:20.13 | florian | hmm.. i should look what i type.. |
| 21:20.20 | p0m | Good point, I hadn't thought about that. |
| 21:20.26 | p0m | It's too early in the morning to think of such things :) |
| 21:20.44 | nilsf | p0m: We have 22:20, no problem ;) |
| 21:20.58 | florian | *g* |
| 21:21.00 | nilsf | koen: Indeed, the BT types and real IrDA ones would be a problem. |
| 21:21.04 | p0m | 7:26 And I have to work in an hour :( |
| 21:21.26 | dpro | nils: /me too but for some odd reason it feels like noon :) |
| 21:21.26 | nilsf | So we should create a new gpe-conf applet for keyboards. But it will have to interact with the serial conf... |
| 21:22.02 | koen | nilsf: the bt one should default to rfcomm0, but configuring bt for rfcomm could use a gui |
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| 21:23.34 | koen | or it could hcitool scan and pick the "KEYBOARD" entry |
| 21:23.47 | nilsf | koen: You will have to configure this anyway. Think of a mobile connected to some rfcomm... |
| 21:23.59 | nilsf | koen: This should be somehow done by gpe-bluetooth. |
| 21:24.21 | nilsf | koen: gpe-bluetooth should be able to detect a keyboard or at least rfcomm device and assign it some device. |
| 21:25.33 | koen | nilsf: yes, by using sdp to detect HID ones |
| 21:25.52 | koen | but this one is SPP and has "KEYBOARD" as it's name |
| 21:26.03 | nilsf | koen: Does your strange rfcomm thing advertise itself as HID? |
| 21:26.18 | koen | nope, SPP |
| 21:26.25 | nilsf | Um, yeds, that's what I meant. |
| 21:27.01 | nilsf | gpe-bluetooth could assign this properly though. You might also want to assign other apps to other rfcomm devices. Like pp to some phone, etc... |
| 21:27.14 | koen | gps receivers |
| 21:27.14 | nilsf | We should also discuss this with pb. |
| 21:27.24 | nilsf | koen: Yes RFCOMM -> GPSD |
| 21:27.35 | koen | yeah, pb is our bt guru |
| 21:27.57 | nilsf | I would say universal guru... |
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| 21:28.30 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 21:28.49 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 21:29.25 | bedboi | hey, i was reading h5400 ml |
| 21:29.35 | florian | nilsf: it might be a good idea to create a single applet for all sorts if keyboards and related stuff. i think it is a good idea to clean up the settings desk a little bit. |
| 21:29.36 | bedboi | what's that stuff about atmel monitor mode |
| 21:29.41 | florian | hey bedboi |
| 21:29.45 | bedboi | hey florian |
| 21:29.59 | nilsf | Concerning BT I would very much liek pb to change quite some things... gpe-bluetooth is quite nice but it could be way better with only some effort... |
| 21:30.56 | p0m | A bluetooth browser would be nice. |
| 21:30.57 | florian | hehe |
| 21:31.10 | nilsf | p0m: To browse what? SDP? |
| 21:31.11 | florian | koen: where did you find time to package?! |
| 21:31.11 | koen | p0m: we have that allready :) |
| 21:31.28 | p0m | Ohh, I haven't really looked. |
| 21:31.35 | koen | florian: dropped some courses |
| 21:31.37 | p0m | Is it in 1.0, or is it cvs? |
| 21:31.57 | koen | p0m: add the bluetooth thing to the panel |
| 21:32.09 | nilsf | p0m: Dpeends on what you want to browse. If you simply want to discover devices then gpe-bluetooth does it already. |
| 21:32.20 | florian | koen: hehe, i do this for more than two years now... but it doesn't become better ;) |
| 21:32.30 | p0m | Ahh. |
| 21:32.37 | nilsf | p0m: If you want to "browse" the sdp on remote devices you can use the commandline sdptool. |
| 21:32.47 | florian | oh right... did anyone try gpe-bluetooth with rfcomm? |
| 21:32.54 | p0m | I think I meant a graphical browser for sdptool. |
| 21:33.02 | p0m | I can't quite remember. |
| 21:33.16 | nilsf | p0m: Ah, OK, that we do not have (yet). Volunteer? |
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| 21:33.41 | p0m | I suppose I could write a program to do so. |
| 21:33.48 | p0m | I just have to learn c etc. |
| 21:33.49 | koen | florian: I did that too the past 2 years, but I have to get moving again |
| 21:34.36 | nilsf | p0m: Go ahead ;) It's no fault to learn some C and GUI programming. |
| 21:34.53 | p0m | I allready can do the gui programming, I normally work with pyGTK. |
| 21:35.05 | florian | yes, yes - some people earn money with this! ;) |
| 21:38.24 | p0m | Hmm, could anyone point me to a tutorial or two on C, c++ and gtk? |
| 21:38.56 | koen | p0m: http://www.gtk.org/tutorial/ |
| 21:39.00 | nilsf | p0m: Drop C++ and use plain C. For C there are plenty but it would not harm to read K&R. |
| 21:39.19 | nilsf | Thanks koen Thats the GTK part. |
| 21:39.28 | p0m | Thanks. |
| 21:39.50 | florian | nilsf: uh! K&R is not harmless! ;-) |
| 21:39.52 | p0m | I'm going to be missing my regexps :( |
| 21:40.28 | koen | p0m: and http://developer.gimp.org/api/2.0/gtk/ |
| 21:40.34 | nilsf | florian: Along with tutorials on the net K&R is a good reference and explains some of the backgrounds. |
| 21:41.32 | florian | hmm... i think there is basic regexps support in something very basic... glibc imho. |
| 21:42.12 | florian | p0m: right... check out "man regex" :-) |
| 21:42.31 | florian | nilsf: yes right... but not really easy to read. |
| 21:42.36 | p0m | All I plan on doing is getting glade to make the interface, and then do the backend. |
| 21:43.00 | nilsf | p0m: Oh oh caution with glade... |
| 21:43.10 | p0m | Not good for gpe? |
| 21:43.21 | nilsf | p0m: At least difficult. |
| 21:43.30 | p0m | How so? |
| 21:43.39 | nilsf | p0m: Some say that the code glade creates is not that nice. I found it OK. |
| 21:43.48 | p0m | So do I. |
| 21:44.03 | nilsf | p0m: But you will lack support for the GPE widgets and support functions. |
| 21:44.06 | p0m | When I do my pyGTK stuff I run it through a python script I found that converts it to pyGTK. |
| 21:44.09 | florian | nilsf, p0m: Use libglade... we have it in the default images. |
| 21:44.10 | koen | nilsf: libglade, not glade itself |
| 21:44.20 | koen | florian: :) |
| 21:44.21 | nilsf | p0m: You'll have to change your app later in a GPE app. |
| 21:44.31 | p0m | Is there a guide on how to do so? |
| 21:44.34 | florian | koen: :-) |
| 21:44.49 | p0m | Because if there is, I'll just make it and modify it later. |
| 21:44.59 | nilsf | koen: He said glade, not libglade ;) |
| 21:46.09 | p0m | I thought GPE used GTK widgets? |
| 21:46.16 | koen | p0m: yes |
| 21:46.26 | nilsf | p0m: Mostly, yes ;) |
| 21:46.35 | p0m | So there's custom GPE widgets? |
| 21:46.58 | florian | p0m: right, the first step is the look and feel, the second is libgpewidget. |
| 21:47.23 | p0m | Ahh. |
| 21:47.35 | koen | p0m: http://gpe.handhelds.org/documentation.phtml (at the bottom) |
| 21:47.47 | p0m | So I don't need anything special at first, I just have to treat it like a general GTK app. |
| 21:48.08 | florian | p0m: there are some of them, and some othere stuff in libgpewidget that will improve the usability on a PDA or similar device. |
| 21:48.19 | florian | p0m: right |
| 21:48.42 | koen | maybe I get really bored during the trip to FOSDEM I might work on the website |
| 21:49.04 | p0m | So when I go to use libgpewidget, I install it on my development machine, and then link it? |
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| 21:50.04 | florian | koen: oh... no chance, imho FOSDEM is never boring. |
| 21:50.29 | p0m | I'm going to stop asking stupid questions and go to work. |
| 21:50.31 | p0m | Ciao all. |
| 21:50.37 | koen | florian: the trainjourney too? |
| 21:50.50 | bedboi | what familiar feed do you use? |
| 21:50.58 | florian | p0m: that's a good idea, i'm working on a proper API documentation for libgpewidget, but it is not finished yet. |
| 21:51.19 | florian | p0m: ther are no stupid questions... never. |
| 21:51.40 | florian | koen: is it that long? it takes me about three hours by car... |
| 21:51.51 | florian | bedboi: unstable :-) |
| 21:51.55 | bedboi | where? |
| 21:52.06 | nilsf | florian: Apropos FOSDEM. I shoudl book the Hotel soon and when do we want to go? |
| 21:52.22 | koen | florian: enschede-rotterdam is 2 hours, then the thalys to brussels |
| 21:53.10 | Tonyx | hmm, Fosdem |
| 21:53.33 | Tonyx | I'm trying to arrange someone to pay my expenses so I could visit too |
| 21:54.22 | florian | nilsf: oh right - i think it is ok to go after a good birthday breakfast. i thin around noon.. that should be the time you could be up, right? :-) |
| 21:55.02 | nilsf | florian: Ho ho ... if needed I can get up pretty early ... IIRC I woke *you* last time ;) |
| 21:55.40 | florian | bedboi: http://familiar.handhelds.org/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/ |
| 21:56.09 | koen | florian: it'll be your birthday? |
| 21:56.21 | florian | koen: oh... it might be almost the same time from here, we could use the thalys from colonge |
| 21:57.02 | nilsf | florian: I think car is cheaper... |
| 21:57.04 | koen | koeln? |
| 21:57.07 | florian | nilsf: oh right... but if you are honest you must say i'm ususally up before you get up :-) |
| 21:57.19 | florian | nilsf: yes indeed - and more fun! |
| 21:57.25 | florian | koen: yes |
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| 22:01.42 | florian | reenoo: hi |
| 22:02.50 | reenoo | evening |
| 22:03.21 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 22:10.01 | bedboi | wow! monitor mode works! |
| 22:13.00 | bedboi | where's kismet? |
| 22:14.45 | koen | bedboi: in your mailbox |
| 22:15.06 | bedboi | oh |
| 22:15.07 | bedboi | cool |
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| 22:15.15 | bedboi | koen: thanks a lot :) |
| 22:15.27 | bedboi | superkoen |
| 22:15.32 | bedboi | faster than light |
| 22:15.38 | koen | bedboi: thank tygerbob for that :) |
| 22:15.57 | bedboi | cool |
| 22:16.15 | bedboi | TyggerBob: thanks a lot :) |
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| 22:28.56 | Pigi | later all |
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| 22:48.24 | koen | 'night all |
| 22:48.37 | florian | koen|sleep: night |
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| 22:53.44 | reenoo | 'night koen|sleep |
| 22:58.55 | dpro | hmmm why does gpe-mixer always start with bass full, everything else muted, and if I try to change a value it just jumps back to the previous one ? |
| 23:03.34 | florian | dpro: Sounds like it is not able to change the mixer values. On which device is this? |
| 23:08.43 | reenoo | I'm off to bed. 'night all |
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| 23:12.36 | unknown26 | florian: Would you be opposed to some sort of theme section on the gpe website, or would it be best to keep everything in the wiki? |
| 23:13.33 | dpro | florian: h5550 |
| 23:15.32 | florian | unknown26: hey, nice to see you are alive :-) |
| 23:15.36 | dpro | florian: alsamixer has the same problem, no matter what user |
| 23:15.45 | unknown26 | florian: Thanks, had alot of schoolwork to attend to. |
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| 23:16.13 | florian | unknown26: i think a theme section would be really good to have, it is an important topic. i think we could improve quite some stuff with good themes. |
| 23:17.14 | florian | dpro: siims to be a generic issue with mixer settings on this device. can you see any suspicious messages in the log? |
| 23:17.22 | unknown26 | florian: Ok, do you by chance know why my theme appears to only work as root? |
| 23:17.48 | dpro | florian: like this: ak4535: write failed, status -121 ? |
| 23:18.56 | florian | unknown26: in the list in Look&Feel? that might happen if users are not allowed to read the theme directory. |
| 23:19.31 | unknown26 | florian: The icons just don't show up. |
| 23:20.59 | florian | dpro: oh right, that sounds bad. i remember a discussion about an audio issue on h5xxx. it might be a good idea to check the iPaq mailinglist. if you don't find anything there you should write a mail to it and describe the error. |
| 23:21.50 | florian | unknown26: anything in .xsession-errors? are your users allowed to read the icon files? |
| 23:22.24 | unknown26 | I didn't check the error log :) |
| 23:22.35 | unknown26 | perhaps chmod |
| 23:24.50 | dpro | florian: I read most of the stuff I found in the archives and at some point I got sound (though never from the headphones) looks like I'm back to square 1 now ... |
| 23:24.53 | unknown26 | hmm.. good it works on a fresh install :) |
| 23:26.54 | dpro | BIAB |
| 23:27.02 | florian | dpro: okay... sounds like a reason for a mail to iPaq ml. or maybe try to ask at #handhelds.org where there iPaq kernel gurus hide out sometimes. |
| 23:27.18 | florian | unknown26: gooood :-) |
| 23:49.56 | unknown26 | florian: http://img161.exs.cx/img161/2760/screenshot9si.png |
| 23:51.30 | florian | unknown26: cool! |
| 23:52.17 | florian | unknown26: many nice ideas... where is the background from? |
| 23:52.31 | unknown26 | florian: I made it in the gimp |
| 23:52.53 | florian | unknown26: very nice! |
| 23:53.40 | unknown26 | florian: Thanks, i'm off, i'll check out this CVS and webpage stuff later. |
| 23:54.07 | florian | unknown26: okay great! |
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