| 00:03.21 | reenoo | re |
| 00:04.30 | reenoo | Tygger-Bob: that's just for the RTL breakage (text entry boxes switch to right to left mode) |
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| 09:28.10 | hedgehair | why is it when i open up the keyboard it crashes rxvt and minimo? |
| 09:28.41 | hedgehair | i have toplan and open the keyboard first |
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| 10:46.58 | Vertex | g day =) |
| 10:48.01 | Vertex | got a question |
| 10:48.54 | Vertex | does anyone have sound working on GPE 0.8 on a 3970? |
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| 11:26.51 | Vertex | damn |
| 11:26.53 | Vertex | trying to restore wince ->> img_size is too large for region: 01F80000 |
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| 12:30.37 | reenoo | afternoon |
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| 13:42.36 | florian_kc | hi all |
| 13:46.25 | pb_ | florian_kc: hello! |
| 13:46.59 | florian_kc | hi pb_ |
| 13:53.29 | pb_ | florian_kc: this pango crash goes away if you compile libpango with less optimisation. |
| 13:53.39 | pb_ | so, I fear that the bug may be in the compiler. |
| 13:53.55 | florian_kc | pb_: oh okay... sounds nasty. |
| 13:54.13 | florian_kc | hunting compiler bugs is no fun... |
| 13:54.55 | pb_ | yeah |
| 13:55.08 | pb_ | I'll upload a new .ipk with the different CFLAGS, so at least we will have a binary that works. |
| 13:55.19 | florian_kc | okay great :-) |
| 13:55.35 | pb_ | did you see the botmail I sent you yesterday about the gtk+ right-to-left thing? |
| 14:01.54 | pb_ | right, the new pango is in unstable now |
| 14:03.07 | florian_kc | pb_: yes - thanks! |
| 14:04.48 | pb_ | okay, cool. |
| 14:05.09 | pb_ | I see the gtk guys have checked a fix for that bug into their CVS tree now. |
| 14:08.29 | florian_kc | very good :-) |
| 14:18.10 | pb_ | :-) |
| 14:23.36 | reenoo | we now have two JVMs to pick from in GPE :) |
| 14:23.47 | pb_ | very good! |
| 14:24.11 | pb_ | will you upload an .ipk for JamVM? |
| 14:24.37 | florian_kc | reenoo: cool |
| 14:25.24 | reenoo | pb_: sure. you'd just have to tell me how to do that ;) |
| 14:26.20 | pb_ | see http://handhelds.org/~familiar/cgi-bin/upload-package.cgi |
| 14:27.44 | pb_ | see also the ipkg-upload utility, which is part of ipkg-utils. |
| 14:29.01 | reenoo | I take it I'll have to upload my gpg key first? |
| 14:29.28 | pb_ | yeah, you need to have jamey install your key in the keyring. |
| 14:31.25 | florian_kc | pb_: What creates the fstab entries for cf cards (hda)? |
| 14:31.50 | pb_ | base-files, I suppose. |
| 14:32.13 | pb_ | I'm not sure if you actually need an fstab entry for the CF card. iirc, pcmcia-cs mounts it manually. |
| 14:33.33 | florian_kc | pb_: I don't have it in the fstab in base-files, but after booting that image i have two lines for hda that mess a mountpoint. |
| 14:36.24 | pb_ | florian_kc: how strange |
| 14:36.45 | pb_ | if you look at tmp/rootfs/etc/fstab, are the offending lines present there? |
| 14:37.20 | florian_kc | no... |
| 14:37.30 | florian_kc | hmmm... hotplug? |
| 14:39.46 | pb_ | ah, it looks like pcmcia-cs is the guilty party. |
| 14:39.53 | pb_ | check out add_blkdev() in /etc/pcmcia/shared |
| 14:40.04 | florian_kc | o0k, thanks |
| 14:40.07 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.07 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.07 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.21 | pb_ | I guess those lines are to blame. |
| 14:40.32 | florian_kc | hah! |
| 14:41.06 | pb_ | if that's the case, setting DO_FSTAB to 'n' in ide.opts would probably clear it up. |
| 14:41.40 | florian_kc | i guess we usually don't use this feature... |
| 14:41.52 | florian_kc | right, let me do this... |
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| 14:44.44 | pb_ | florian_kc: why did you remove xstroke from standard.mbdock? |
| 14:45.23 | nilsf | pb_: Isn't it quite superflous with the input-manager? |
| 14:46.03 | florian_kc | well... it takes up memory and not used by the majority of users. |
| 14:46.05 | pb_ | nilsf: Does xstroke work with the input manager? I didn't think it did. |
| 14:46.11 | nilsf | pb_: I found it very confusing especially for beginners. They tend to activate xstroke and then wonder why apps don't accept clicks and touches correctly. |
| 14:46.30 | nilsf | pb_: No, not really, but you have enough methods to choose from. |
| 14:46.52 | nilsf | pb_: And if you really want xstrpoke you can add it by yourself, knowing what your are doing. |
| 14:48.20 | pb_ | Fair enough. |
| 14:48.46 | nilsf | BTW, where can I get the binary keytables that busybox loadkeys can load? I can't seem to find a keytable compiler... |
| 14:49.01 | pb_ | Does it want binary files? I thought it read the textual ones. |
| 14:49.11 | nilsf | pb_: Nope... :( |
| 14:49.45 | nilsf | You can binary dump an existing loaded one, but that dos not help much. |
| 14:53.38 | pb_ | Hm, right. That seems no good. |
| 14:54.15 | pb_ | I suppose you could use the "big" loadkeys to load the text one, then dump a binary with busybox dumpkmap, but that seems a bit cumbersome. |
| 14:54.19 | florian_kc | pb_: i sent a patch to ml |
| 14:54.36 | pb_ | florian_kc: cool |
| 14:54.40 | pb_ | I'll check it in directly. |
| 14:55.03 | pb_ | actually, I'll go and eat breakfast first |
| 14:55.04 | pb_ | bbiab |
| 14:58.02 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 14:58.48 | nilsf | pb_: Enjoy! |
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| 17:11.05 | pb_ | florian: do you remember what the reason for this patch: |
| 17:11.06 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.09 | pb_ | was? |
| 17:11.33 | pb_ | I think this is what causes gpe-calendar's date selector to not fit on the iPAQ screen any more. |
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| 17:16.15 | rdwtux | i installed openzaurus GPE on zaurus sl-c860 and noticed a lot of screen problems... the driver seems to be bad.. anyone have any information on this? |
| 17:18.17 | florian | pb_: that might be possible... this was intended to make it easier to change the selected day in gpe-calendar usig a stylus. |
| 17:19.10 | florian | rdwtux: nor really, i think the openzaurus guys know more about this. most gpe developers don't own a zaurus :-( |
| 17:19.35 | rdwtux | florian: ok thanks for the reply |
| 17:19.37 | florian | s/nor/not |
| 17:20.34 | rdwtux | gpe really looks wacky on a zaurus 860.. tiny fonts, apps don't fit.. but i understand it's new and IPaq is the main install base for gpe |
| 17:20.45 | pb_ | florian: see http://handhelds.org/scap/port.31386.png |
| 17:23.05 | pb_ | rdwtux: if you are having problems with apps not fitting, please send a note to the mailing list. |
| 17:24.28 | florian | pb_: right... but i supect it is a litle bit more. |
| 17:26.16 | florian | pb_: imho it is a combination of the grown buttons, a slightly larger toolbar and a large window border in this case. |
| 17:26.59 | pb_ | florian: I'm not sure I understand. How would the toolbar affect the horizontal layout? |
| 17:28.16 | florian | pb_: forget what i said, i should look a bit more carefully... i think you are right. |
| 17:29.05 | pb_ | florian: though, looking at it more carefully, there is more blank space around the "Sun,16" than around the other two fields. So, maybe there is another bug there. |
| 17:31.32 | florian | pb_: yes right... that additional space is large... |
| 17:32.25 | pb_ | It looks like that extra space is my fault. I'll fix it. |
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| 17:37.16 | florian | pb_: If you copy gpe-plucker_0.1.bb to gpe-plucker_0.2.bb and remove the "-0.1" from the patches directoy it will fix the icon of gpe-plucker. |
| 17:37.35 | pb_ | great |
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| 18:21.08 | pb_ | florian: ah, here we are. http://handhelds.org/scap/port.17230.png |
| 18:21.59 | florian | pb_: ah! very nice! |
| 18:22.15 | pb_ | the new gpe-calendar is in unstable now. |
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| 18:57.19 | reenoo | pb_: I'm experiencing strange segfaults with jamvm that I can't reproduce inside gdb. consequently uploading packages to unstable doesn't sound like a good idea :/ |
| 19:00.46 | pb_ | ok |
| 19:01.52 | pb_ | florian: the new plucker is also in unstable now; see http://handhelds.org/scap/port.19719.png |
| 19:05.55 | florian | pb_: cool! that looks inherited from a different machine ;) |
| 19:06.52 | pb_ | heh. I thought you might find it familiar. |
| 19:12.09 | nilsf | Could we have input-keybdev be installed by default into the Familiar imnages? Would make a lot of sense for default installed kbdd ;) |
| 19:16.53 | pb_ | sure |
| 19:16.59 | pb_ | all familiar images, or just on the iPAQ? |
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| 19:38.38 | IRCMuskrat | hey room, just loaded latest version gpe, and set up user account & pwd. logged out. turned off. now i can not login again. what am i doing wrong? :-S |
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| 19:41.43 | IRCMuskrat | ne1 here? |
| 19:42.27 | florian | bbl |
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| 20:04.37 | rob_w|pda | hi |
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| 20:14.01 | jan__ | Hi all |
| 20:17.16 | reenoo | hi jan__ |
| 20:17.43 | reenoo | pb_ has uploaded sablevm packages to the unstable feed if you want to give them a try |
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| 20:32.19 | rob_w|pda | what mpeg player do i should at |
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| 20:37.19 | reenoo | rob_w|pda: can you rephrase that? |
| 20:38.12 | rob_w|pda | reenoo: what is the most promising app for watching mpeg files :-) |
| 20:38.24 | rob_w|pda | on gpe of course |
| 20:38.33 | reenoo | vlc-gpe |
| 20:39.35 | rob_w|pda | ? shouldnt it be gpe-vlc?? |
| 20:40.10 | reenoo | it's not a gpe application as such |
| 20:40.29 | jan__ | renoo: hi! |
| 20:40.48 | jan__ | I think I will try the sablevm package immediately. |
| 20:41.17 | rob_w|pda | jan__: got it? |
| 20:41.40 | jan__ | not yet .. |
| 20:43.31 | rob_w|pda | some builds it |
| 20:43.34 | ninailer | my ipaq doesnt stop buzzing. i remember there was a wiki page about battery learning for h5xxx but i cant find it. anyone can point me to it? |
| 20:44.00 | reenoo | pb_: fwiw the gnu classpath people say it's probably their JNI code that breaks stuff |
| 20:48.23 | pb_ | Ah. |
| 20:53.26 | jan__ | renoo: Cannot find the package . Do you mind to point me to the url ? |
| 20:53.54 | reenoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.17 | reenoo | (check the topic for the url of the unstable feed) |
| 20:57.41 | jan__ | oh yes, I see. |
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| 21:08.55 | jan__ | rob_w|pda: got it |
| 21:09.59 | jan__ | so far, so good: root@h3900:~# java -version |
| 21:09.59 | jan__ | SableVM version 1.1.7 |
| 21:10.20 | jan__ | now some more tests .. |
| 21:13.20 | rob_w|pda | cool |
| 21:14.38 | rob_w|pda | jan__: so it is in the unstable feed ? |
| 21:20.38 | jan__ | Yes. looks like |
| 21:47.31 | reenoo | jan__: any luck with sablevm? |
| 21:50.36 | jan__ | reenoo: just one minute, please.. |
| 21:52.23 | reenoo | sure. np |
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| 22:03.32 | jan__ | renoo: I have tried to run an application that uses awt. It exits with some error message from some Gtk peer classes. |
| 22:04.35 | reenoo | like this? http://sablevm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=75 |
| 22:09.41 | reenoo | otherwise you'll have to be more specific about the _exact_ error |
| 22:14.48 | jan__ | seems I am lucky: It is that one ;-) |
| 22:18.28 | reenoo | heh |
| 22:18.40 | reenoo | well |
| 22:18.46 | reenoo | there is no fix for that one |
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| 22:21.23 | florian_ | re |
| 22:21.35 | reenoo | wb, florian_ |
| 22:21.49 | jan__ | Yesterday I built sablevm 1.1.8 for x86 and I could successfully run the same awt programme. |
| 22:22.07 | jan__ | with some minor flaws. maybee. |
| 22:26.45 | reenoo | 1.1.8 doesn't fix it |
| 22:27.31 | reenoo | and the classpath bug rarely has any consequences on x86 |
| 22:27.48 | reenoo | which is probably why noone has tracked it down and fixed it yet |
| 22:29.07 | florian_ | brb |
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| 22:29.26 | jan__ | o.k, so it's a bug that only occurs on an arm system? |
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| 22:31.59 | reenoo | no |
| 22:32.20 | reenoo | it just happens to be triggered more often on arm |
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| 22:35.59 | jan__ | interesting .. sablevm looks very promising though. If I can do anything to help just tell me. |
| 22:47.05 | reenoo | other than fixing the bug in gnu classpath or the workaround code in sablevm I don't think there's anything one can do about this |
| 22:49.18 | jan__ | too bad. |
| 22:54.47 | reenoo | you could try to look into why classpath violates the jni specs though |
| 22:55.11 | reenoo | someone will have to start debugging it after all |
| 22:59.57 | koen|beer | 'night all |
| 23:00.03 | reenoo | 'night koen|sleep |
| 23:00.55 | jan__ | I might try to find out. You know, I am rather a java programmer .. |
| 23:02.08 | florian_ | koen|sleep: good night |
| 23:03.05 | reenoo | jan__: the offending code is java... |
| 23:06.20 | jan__ | ok., I will have a look on it during the next days. |
| 23:07.07 | jan__ | Any hints about that point me to the classes I might start would be appreciated. |
| 23:07.36 | reenoo | best check with the guys in #classpath |
| 23:07.40 | jan__ | Any hints that point me to the classes I might start would be appreciated |
| 23:07.51 | jan__ | o.k. |
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| 23:08.52 | IRCMuskrat | how do you make a compact flash card function under gpe? |
| 23:09.03 | reenoo | jan__: cool |
| 23:12.56 | florian_ | IRCMuskrat: running familiar 0.8.0? |
| 23:13.07 | IRCMuskrat | yes |
| 23:13.22 | IRCMuskrat | currently there is no dirver assigned to it |
| 23:14.37 | florian_ | IRCMuskrat: thats a bug in the familiar images, check the release notes... |
| 23:15.04 | florian_ | IRCMuskrat: it should be easy to fix it using a newer package from unstable feed. |
| 23:22.33 | IRCMuskrat | dumb question. i'm not able to access the internet from the pda. how do i get it the necessary file onto the pda? i have usb and serial connectors |
| 23:25.21 | florian_ | IRCMuskrat: There are several ways: there is a driver for an ip connection over usb and a tool for zmodem up/ |
| 23:25.30 | florian_ | and downloads to the pda |
| 23:25.56 | florian_ | rz is the command |
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| 23:28.40 | reenoo | or rb for ymodem |
| 23:29.51 | florian | indeed? i didn't know... |
| 23:35.27 | jan__ | goodnight. |
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| 23:35.39 | IRCMuskrat | you mean using telnet client will do? |
| 23:37.15 | florian | IRCMuskrat: telnet uses a network connection - a terminal program will do the trick. |
| 23:37.44 | florian | IRCMuskrat: e.g. minicom if you have linux on your pc or hyperterm if you are running windows. |
| 23:38.02 | IRCMuskrat | can hyperterm access usb? |
| 23:39.02 | florian | IRCMuskrat: thats for the serial method, if you want to use usb you need to install a special driver - i know there is one for windows but i don't know how to set it up. |
| 23:39.20 | IRCMuskrat | ok i'll switch back to serial |
| 23:41.41 | florian | IRCMuskrat: right... serial is easy to use but you need to transfer all packages manually. set the port to 115000,8,n,1 and log in. then cd to /tmp, run rz and tell your hyperterm to transfer files... |
