| 00:00.22 | pb_ | sounds like your ipkg status file might be toast, but that wouldn't explain why the packages are not even available. |
| 00:01.09 | florian_ | yes indeed.. this looks like to separate issues... |
| 00:04.52 | florian_ | hah |
| 00:05.33 | florian_ | i have two issues here... i lost my unstable feed and i have a broken gpe-feed.conf |
| 00:05.45 | florian_ | i wonder who is guilty for this... |
| 00:06.10 | pb_ | very strange |
| 00:07.04 | florian_ | it was a bad idea to add it to ipkg.conf |
| 00:08.31 | florian_ | but the gpe-feed.conf included two feeds both named "gpe". |
| 00:13.23 | florian_ | ah... this is better now :-) |
| 00:13.23 | florian_ | time for some sleep... good night! |
| 00:16.09 | pb_ | florian_: good night |
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| 01:16.47 | TyggerBob | Hi all |
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| 08:40.45 | koen | 'morning all |
| 08:43.15 | rob_w | morning koen |
| 08:43.22 | rob_w | slept we ll ? |
| 08:45.29 | koen | yeah |
| 08:46.56 | rob_w | damn , i just wanted to hurray that my build of bitbake keeps running , and a sec before it stopped at xdpyinfo "no make install defined " |
| 08:47.28 | koen | you need a newer xdyinfo |
| 08:47.44 | koen | it switched from imake to autotools |
| 08:47.47 | rob_w | so bk pull |
| 08:48.04 | koen | or set the cvsdate for it different |
| 08:50.53 | dragonk | i think my gpe-image was built.i'll have to find out later |
| 08:52.54 | rob_w | bbl |
| 09:24.08 | rob_w | bk pull did not work for xdpyinfo ... what cvsdate for it will work ?? |
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| 09:46.31 | rob_w | koen: could u check for me which cvsdate i need for xdpyinfo ? |
| 10:10.10 | koen | rob_w: something after december should be fine |
| 10:10.13 | koen | try today |
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| 10:17.20 | kos | how do i install a browser? |
| 10:20.35 | koen | kos: ipkg install packagename |
| 10:20.54 | koen | like dillo2, minimo, osp-browser, firefox |
| 10:21.23 | kos | whats a nice small one? |
| 10:23.40 | koen | ehm... |
| 10:23.47 | koen | dillo2 is small |
| 10:23.52 | koen | and minimo is nice |
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| 10:26.12 | florian_hrz | good morning |
| 10:27.10 | rob_w | koen: dillo`s icons and buttons arent small ;-) |
| 10:27.28 | koen | rob_w: :) |
| 10:27.30 | koen | hey florian_hrz |
| 10:28.25 | rob_w | hmm i already had xdpyinfo-0.0cvs20041120 |
| 10:30.38 | florian_hrz | rob_w: sounds like a bad default dillorc |
| 10:35.10 | kos | so what would u reccomend dillo oe minimo? |
| 10:36.34 | rob_w | current minimo i was not able to use exessivly |
| 10:38.09 | rob_w | as i also have CVSDATE_ipkg-utils-native=20041120 in my local.conf ,, will this also bring back other packages to this date ?? some look like that |
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| 10:40.34 | florian_hrz | hi zecke |
| 10:41.52 | zecke | ühey |
| 10:42.07 | kos | is there an irc client? |
| 10:42.14 | kos | msn? |
| 10:42.17 | kos | mail? |
| 10:42.29 | kos | as u can see im new to this :( |
| 10:42.38 | florian_hrz | hi kos |
| 10:42.55 | rob_w | irc = xchat |
| 10:43.13 | kos | hi florian_hrz |
| 10:43.25 | florian_hrz | kos: gpe-irc but that's not that perfect. xchat is better but there is only an old version that is ported to support small screens. |
| 10:43.49 | florian_hrz | kos: which device are you using? |
| 10:44.03 | rob_w | koen: the panel=tiny at dillorc brings it back in a usefull way for ipaq .. was panel=stack .. |
| 10:44.14 | kos | zaurus |
| 10:44.17 | kos | 5500 |
| 10:44.19 | kos | collie |
| 10:45.27 | florian_hrz | kos: gpe-mail is not that well maintained as well... |
| 10:46.46 | kos | basically i need mail and browsing functions |
| 10:47.43 | florian_hrz | rob_w: :-) |
| 10:48.21 | kos | i cant seem to install anything :( |
| 10:48.25 | florian_hrz | I don't think it would be that complicated to create a good email client from a good email library. |
| 10:48.30 | kos | is the package manager broken? |
| 10:48.52 | mallum | hmm, is pango-1.8 broken in oe ? |
| 10:49.01 | rob_w | so is there a way to preconfigure apps when build via bitbake , so on ipaq dillo gets different presettings as on a simpad |
| 10:50.07 | florian_hrz | kos: hmm... are you using the gui? |
| 10:50.15 | kos | yeah |
| 10:50.36 | florian_hrz | mallum: someone mentioned a pango issue, but i can't remember the context. |
| 10:50.40 | koen | rob_w: yes, the DEIVCE_SMALSCREEN (or something like that) |
| 10:50.50 | koen | florian_hrz: cwiiis and crashes |
| 10:51.01 | kos | florian_hrz, why? |
| 10:51.33 | florian_hrz | kos: I just noced we have an old version in familiar 0.8.0 and oz. |
| 10:51.39 | florian_hrz | eh nothiced... |
| 10:51.47 | florian_hrz | *gnaaa* |
| 10:52.24 | florian_hrz | kos: it might be the best idea to use the ipkg command line tool for now. |
| 10:52.25 | kos | mmm |
| 10:52.40 | kos | what do i need to know? |
| 10:52.49 | kos | ipkg install packagename? |
| 10:52.51 | kos | thats all? |
| 10:53.20 | florian_hrz | exactly |
| 10:53.45 | florian_hrz | "ipkg update" to update packages lists maybe... |
| 10:54.11 | kos | yeah done the update |
| 10:54.16 | kos | still cant install anything |
| 10:54.44 | mallum | Im getting |
| 10:55.06 | mallum | home/mallum/oe/build/tmp-all/staging/arm-linux/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to `pango_renderer_get_type' |
| 10:55.06 | mallum | /home/mallum/oe/build/tmp-all/staging/arm-linux/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to `pango_renderer_get_color' |
| 10:55.06 | mallum | /home/mallum/oe/build/tmp-all/staging/arm-linux/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so: undefined reference to `g_open' |
| 10:55.06 | mallum | /home/mallum/oe/build/tmp-all/staging/arm-linux/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to `pango_font_description_set_absolute_size' |
| 10:55.08 | mallum | /home/mallum/oe/build/tmp-all/staging/arm-linux/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to `pango_renderer_set_matrix' |
| 10:55.11 | mallum | etc etc |
| 10:55.49 | florian_hrz | kos: do you get any error messages? |
| 10:56.33 | florian_hrz | mallum: eh... that looks nasty... but i think i built it yesterday. |
| 10:58.22 | koen | wtf? |
| 10:58.35 | koen | XP told me to reboot to change the language settings..... |
| 10:59.09 | florian_hrz | hmm right |
| 11:00.39 | kos | florian_hrz, complains how dillorc already exists |
| 11:00.52 | koen | --force-overwrite |
| 11:01.12 | kos | oki |
| 11:01.55 | kos | is there any filemanager? |
| 11:02.05 | florian_hrz | s/--/- |
| 11:02.55 | florian_hrz | kos: gpe-filemanager... it is not installed by default because it pulls in a pile of large libraries. but this will be improved soon :-) |
| 11:03.23 | koen | s/a pile/half of gnome/ :) |
| 11:04.21 | florian_hrz | hehe indeed - but i hope we get this gnome-vfs/dbus soon :-) |
| 11:05.58 | kos | hmm |
| 11:06.03 | kos | where do i find xchat? |
| 11:06.16 | kos | ipkg install xchat says not found |
| 11:06.29 | koen | florian_hrz: has anyone volunteered to write the code? |
| 11:06.53 | florian_hrz | koen: a sort of, yes... i think we will have it in a few weeks. |
| 11:07.07 | florian_hrz | koen: btw. did you get your netbook? |
| 11:07.40 | koen | florian_hrz: not yet |
| 11:07.51 | koen | stinking AC-adapter recall |
| 11:08.16 | kos | florian_hrz, how do i install xchat from cli? |
| 11:08.18 | florian_hrz | rob_w: do you know if the nice old xchat from familiar 0.7.2 still works in 0.8.0? |
| 11:08.24 | kos | ipkg install xchat? |
| 11:08.35 | florian_hrz | koen: ah nasty.. |
| 11:09.47 | florian_hrz | kos: in theory yes - but we maybe don't have it in the feed. it might be necessary to install it separately. |
| 11:10.08 | kos | how? |
| 11:11.20 | florian_hrz | kos: ipkg install <url> or download it and point ipkg to that file. |
| 11:12.03 | florian_hrz | kos: it might be necessary to use the -force-depends switch and i don't know if it still works. |
| 11:12.54 | kos | gpe is in beta? |
| 11:13.08 | kos | coz lots of things seem 'not to work' |
| 11:13.56 | florian_hrz | kos: heh you found the most really bad parts of gpe :-) |
| 11:14.01 | florian_hrz | kos: http://familiar.handhelds.org/feeds/unstable-v0.7.3/packages/armv4l/xchat_2.0.2_arm.ipk |
| 11:14.10 | florian_hrz | kos: try this... |
| 11:14.38 | koen | florian_hrz: is the hrz closer to netphen or close to siegen? |
| 11:17.12 | florian_hrz | koen: eh... closer to siegen :-) |
| 11:18.10 | koen | http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/images/siegen.jpg |
| 11:19.16 | koen | that's a landsat ETM image of siegen and netphen |
| 11:20.48 | florian_hrz | heh cool |
| 11:21.59 | koen | I was looking at people.coord in gpe cvs and decided to try out keyhole and worldwind |
| 11:22.07 | florian_hrz | koen: I think i'm a little bit above the word "Weidenau". |
| 11:22.31 | koen | aha |
| 11:22.44 | mallum | florian_hrz, are you building with pango 1.8 ? fam 0.8.1 ? |
| 11:23.01 | koen | lat: 50.90112304, lon 8.037707 |
| 11:24.31 | florian_hrz | mallum: yes indeed - i just checked, i'm building familiar. |
| 11:25.10 | mallum | florian_hrz, hmm 0.8.1 too ? |
| 11:26.46 | florian_hrz | mallum: no, the current "familiar" target without a version - and i'm maybe not up to date because i use cvs. |
| 11:28.04 | florian_hrz | koen: do you know when this picture was taken? |
| 11:28.42 | florian_hrz | koen: kc is somewhere east from weidenau... |
| 11:29.22 | koen | florian_hrz: somewhere between 99 and 03 |
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| 11:49.14 | koen | hey tigrux |
| 11:49.28 | tigrux | Hello koen |
| 11:49.37 | florian_hrz | hi tigrux, you are late ;) |
| 11:50.47 | tigrux | florian_hrz: Hello, yes, I'm sorry, I had to go shopping fruit, and it tookme a while. |
| 11:51.28 | florian_hrz | :-) |
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| 11:55.41 | seb__ | hi everybody :) |
| 11:55.46 | koen | hey seb |
| 11:55.56 | rob_w | increasing the date to today helped nicely on xdpyinfo .. but it really looks to me that my CVSDATE to ipkg decreases also other packages |
| 11:56.09 | rob_w | florian_hrz: xchat works nicely |
| 11:56.18 | koen | rob_w: ipkg-utils are fixed too |
| 11:56.28 | koen | so your cvsdate can be set to today :) |
| 11:56.29 | rob_w | koen: so i can take it out |
| 11:56.33 | rob_w | ok |
| 11:57.41 | florian_hrz | hi seb__ |
| 11:57.52 | rob_w | florian_hrz: but it is not placed in the feeds , i think i had it from gwdg |
| 11:58.12 | florian_hrz | rob_w: ah cool |
| 12:01.23 | florian_hrz | bbl |
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| 12:13.18 | Securez | Hello |
| 12:13.30 | mallum | hmm, I wonder why oe dont like mb-applet-input-manager-0.6 for me |
| 12:13.30 | Securez | i have some warning when exec gpe apps |
| 12:13.44 | Securez | (gpe-calendar:10451): Gdk-WARNING **: Error converting from UTF-8 to STRING: Could not open converter from 'UTF-8' to 'ISO-8859-1' |
| 12:13.57 | Securez | hoe can i solve thios think |
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| 12:19.58 | Securez | i have glibc-gconv-unicode and glibc-gconv-iso8859-1 but i still get this error |
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| 12:49.31 | florian_kc | re |
| 12:50.19 | koen | hey florian_kc |
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| 12:57.50 | mallum | urg |
| 12:58.21 | mallum | anyone know what requires libsvg-cairo ? |
| 12:58.36 | koen | gpe-bootsplash |
| 13:00.25 | florian_kc | mallum: :-( |
| 13:00.27 | mallum | why on earth does it need svg ? nobody ever seen the 'export as png' option in inkscape |
| 13:02.14 | florian_kc | mallum: yes... but then you need to handle a pile of bitmaps for several screen layouts and sizes. |
| 13:02.45 | mallum | florian_kc, cant they be generated at build time ? |
| 13:03.26 | mallum | florian_kc, who decides what the base gpe deps are ? |
| 13:03.26 | koen | mallum: yes, that is possible |
| 13:03.46 | mallum | florian_kc, it seems crazy to make gpe dependant on unrelease cvs only software |
| 13:04.28 | florian_kc | mallum: maybe... but i wonder if a 800x600 png is maybe larger than the lib and the svg. |
| 13:04.37 | florian_kc | mallum: right - but if noone starts to use it there is no way to make it good. |
| 13:04.54 | florian_kc | mallum: but to be honest - they really need a release. |
| 13:05.08 | mallum | florian_kc, you could even make bootsplash just center an image on a plain background |
| 13:05.14 | mallum | florian_kc, size wouldn't matter then |
| 13:07.04 | florian_kc | mallum: that would be an option... but if you prefer to replace gpe-bootsplash it would be really easy imho. |
| 13:07.29 | mallum | florian_kc, can I just point familiar.conf at an older version ? |
| 13:07.34 | koen | let's patch the bootsplash into the kernel :) |
| 13:07.36 | koen|afk | bbl |
| 13:07.52 | florian_kc | koen|afk: :-/ |
| 13:08.49 | florian_kc | mallum: to an older version of a package? |
| 13:13.36 | mallum | yeah |
| 13:14.45 | florian_kc | mallum: i'm not sure if familiar.conf would be the correct place (but it should work). I'd suggest to add this to your local.conf. |
| 13:15.35 | mallum | i cant find bootsplash mentioned |
| 13:17.03 | florian_kc | mallum: right, but you should be able to override a version there... |
| 13:18.26 | mallum | does it build for anyone else ? |
| 13:18.56 | florian_kc | mallum: from bk or from cvs |
| 13:18.58 | florian_kc | ? |
| 13:19.04 | mallum | bk |
| 13:19.24 | mallum | I didn;t know there was a cvs :) |
| 13:22.14 | florian_kc | mallum: There is a read-only cvs, but it is not perfectly up to date at the moment. |
| 13:23.02 | florian_kc | ~lart bk for existing |
| 13:23.10 | mallum | yeah bk sucks |
| 13:23.30 | mallum | I really would have thought kergoth would have switched to an alternative by now :( |
| 13:26.23 | florian_kc | imho the only reason not to switch is a single nice feature that is useless because the collections support in oe :-/ |
| 13:27.18 | florian_kc | it is really a shame that this project which is a kind of "meta open source" project uses a stupid closed source tool... |
| 13:29.20 | robtaylor | mallum: i think i tempted him a *bit* with darcs |
| 13:29.46 | robtaylor | really i'm holding out for bazaar-ng. that should rock |
| 13:30.00 | mallum | florian_kc, yeah agree 100% |
| 13:30.39 | florian_kc | mallum: do we want to start the discussion on oe ml again? |
| 13:32.10 | florian_kc | mallum: which package failed? gpe-bootsplash or libsvg-cairo? |
| 13:34.16 | mallum | libsvg-cairo |
| 13:41.16 | florian_kc | mallum: I just build it with cvsdate 20050103 (for a strongarm device). |
| 13:41.44 | florian_kc | s/build/built |
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| 13:45.22 | mallum | 20050112 for me |
| 13:45.37 | mallum | it seems something in cairo is breaking it |
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| 13:51.41 | florian_kc | :-/ |
| 13:53.34 | rob_w|pda | xchat is quite a great example of a cool port |
| 13:54.27 | florian_kc | indeed... but the source was lost on a crashed harddisk :-/ |
| 13:54.57 | rob_w|pda | oh, that is bad |
| 13:55.49 | rob_w|pda | well feature wise it is already perfect |
| 13:56.18 | rob_w|pda | but it might need some ui improvements |
| 13:56.51 | rob_w|pda | is possible for dillo to render just a bit smaller? |
| 14:01.43 | rob_w|pda | ahh font-size:0.5 is quite good |
| 14:02.05 | rob_w|pda | font-factor |
| 14:14.05 | mallum | florian_kc, where is gpe-image defined ? |
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| 14:17.56 | mallum | florian_kc, sigh it seems all gpe bootsplash versions use uses libsvg |
| 14:20.08 | koen|afk | mallum: meta/*gpe* |
| 14:20.11 | koen | re |
| 14:21.19 | mallum | koen, btw I just checked in new default mb theme |
| 14:21.30 | mallum | koen, I've replaced bluebox and borillo |
| 14:22.24 | koen | ah, ok |
| 14:23.09 | mallum | koen, does libsvg build for you ? |
| 14:23.53 | koen | mallum: I just Xp'ed my OE box, soI'm not able to check |
| 14:24.02 | mallum | heh |
| 14:24.07 | mallum | gpe-bootcrack |
| 14:26.21 | rob_w|pda | mallum: what themes did u take? |
| 14:28.11 | mallum | rob_w, bluebox and borillo |
| 14:28.26 | mallum | rob_w, they are still in svn if someone wants to package them up seperatly |
| 14:29.47 | mallum | rob_w, and the new themes are much better imho |
| 14:30.07 | koen | mallum: what programs make the thumbnails in de mediabox view? |
| 14:30.29 | mallum | koen, the picture viewer plugin does it on the fly |
| 14:30.38 | mallum | ( and caches them ) |
| 14:30.55 | koen | where does it cache them? |
| 14:31.21 | koen | and can it use exif thumbnails? |
| 14:32.25 | mallum | no |
| 14:32.28 | mallum | uses it own |
| 14:32.33 | mallum | .thumbnails iirc |
| 14:32.44 | koen | in the same dir? |
| 14:32.48 | mallum | homedir |
| 14:33.01 | koen | crap |
| 14:33.42 | mallum | how do I set CVSDATE for individual packages ? |
| 14:33.46 | koen | is it possible to make it configurable? |
| 14:33.53 | koen | mallum: CVSDATE_package=bla |
| 14:34.43 | mallum | koen, it roughly follows the thumbnail spec on fd.o |
| 14:35.06 | koen | I thought so, luckily my h5550 has a second bank of flash |
| 14:35.29 | koen | heh |
| 14:35.42 | koen | the newest ipaq based on the h3900: hx4700 |
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| 14:35.49 | koen | same wlan, bt and asic3 |
| 14:36.17 | koen | so hx4700 = h4100 + cf + vga |
| 14:38.48 | mallum | koen, any developents on 4100 front ? |
| 14:39.01 | koen | flash almost usable |
| 14:39.08 | mallum | ah cool |
| 14:39.23 | koen | tobbe got mt to recognize the DoC |
| 14:39.26 | mallum | so can boot from it soon ? |
| 14:39.42 | koen | probe joshua, zap and szablocs to finish LAB |
| 14:46.45 | koen | mallum: got any screenshot for the new mb? |
| 14:52.34 | mallum | koen, nope |
| 14:52.52 | mallum | koen, hopefull soon though :0 |
| 14:53.36 | koen | ok |
| 14:53.52 | koen | i'm allready getting withdrawal symptons by using XP |
| 14:54.17 | koen | ~stab ESRI, keyhole and itc for only supporting win32 |
| 14:54.19 | ibot | ACTION runs at ESRI, keyhole and itc for only supporting win32 with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 14:54.46 | koen | ~stab worldwind for using C#/directx |
| 14:54.48 | ibot | ACTION runs at worldwind for using C#/directx with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
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| 15:17.50 | mallum | hmm gnutls failing for me now |
| 15:18.49 | koen | gcrypt is broken iirc |
| 15:19.31 | mallum | it is gcrypt that wants it ? |
| 15:19.49 | koen | gnutls want gcrypt |
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| 15:20.04 | mallum | what wants gnutls ? |
| 15:20.17 | mallum | koen, Its breaking cos the link line is pulling in -L/usr/lib /usr/lib/libtasn1.so |
| 15:20.22 | koen | sylpheed, gaim |
| 15:20.34 | koen | ah yes, someone noticed that too, not fix yet |
| 15:20.41 | mallum | ok |
| 15:20.50 | mallum | I disable gaim and sylpheed then I guess |
| 15:21.20 | koen | grep -rn DEPENDS . | grep gnutls |
| 15:22.28 | mallum | in what dir ? |
| 15:22.36 | koen | packages/ |
| 15:22.40 | mallum | okey |
| 15:23.24 | mallum | koen, is there an easy way to deselect an app getting built in local.conf ? |
| 15:23.34 | koen | not that I know |
| 15:23.51 | mallum | how do I stop gaim + slyoheed getting built ? |
| 15:24.34 | koen | remove them from meta/*gpe* |
| 15:25.53 | mallum | must be in gpe-task-apps but where is that |
| 15:26.34 | mallum | got it |
| 15:27.12 | koen | did the grep turn up some more candidates? |
| 15:29.34 | mallum | yeah |
| 15:29.40 | mallum | just gaim I think |
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| 15:32.10 | pb_ | afternoon |
| 15:34.02 | mallum | pb_, hi, does gpe-bootcrack really need svg ? |
| 15:42.07 | florian_kc | re |
| 15:42.11 | florian_kc | hi pb_ |
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| 15:54.51 | rob_w|pda | gpe is missing a button to control pppd |
| 15:55.33 | rob_w|pda | is there nice gnome worth porting? |
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| 15:57.52 | mallum_ | koen, arg its still pulling in gnutls :( |
| 15:58.47 | florian_kc | rob_w|pda: gkdial... almost finished :-) |
| 16:01.31 | aquarius | Who would I be best to talk to about pygtk not working on OZ 3.5.2/GPE? |
| 16:06.05 | mallum_ | pb_, ? |
| 16:06.51 | mallum_ | pb_, to support multiple sized displays could gpe-bootsplash just use a small image centered on a large solid background ? |
| 16:06.52 | rob_w|pda | florian_kc: coool |
| 16:07.09 | mallum_ | pb_, pulling in svg seems a bit of an extreme solution |
| 16:08.05 | rob_w|pda | florian_kc: are u working on it? |
| 16:09.46 | florian_kc | hmm pygtk sounds like a job for nelson?! |
| 16:09.55 | florian_kc | rob_w|pda: a sort of... |
| 16:10.12 | aquarius | florian_kc: I'll ask him, cheers :) |
| 16:11.10 | florian_kc | aquarius: i'm not really sure who is the package maintainer, but i know he is working on familiar and python... the package is the same. |
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| 16:16.03 | bedboi | hi there |
| 16:19.31 | rob_w|pda | florian_kc: is there usable version of gkdial |
| 16:21.53 | florian_kc | hi bedboi |
| 16:22.29 | florian_kc | rob_w|pda: it is in oe, but the version there pulls in a large number of useless dependencies. |
| 16:24.35 | rob_w|pda | so some others do |
| 16:47.31 | pb_ | mallum_: sure, you can build gpe-bootsplash without svg if you want. |
| 16:47.44 | pb_ | hi florian_kc |
| 16:48.48 | mallum_ | pb_, how do I do that then, does it have a ./configure ? |
| 16:58.14 | mallum_ | hmmm, not /etc/password has been created |
| 17:00.15 | florian_kc | ah right, this is an issue i noticed before... i removed that zap_root_password command to solve this. |
| 17:00.53 | mallum_ | florian_kc, hmmm, I dont know how to get /etc/password back again though :/ |
| 17:01.31 | florian_kc | mallum_: i think it is generated by a script afterwards... i have it in my images. |
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| 17:01.50 | mallum_ | florian_kc, ah ok |
| 17:01.50 | florian_kc | pb_: do you know what is up there? |
| 17:02.54 | mallum_ | florian_kc, where do you get cvs oe from |
| 17:09.31 | pb_ | mallum_: iirc, it is set up for non svg out of the box. You have to fiddle the CFLAGS to enable svg. |
| 17:09.38 | pb_ | so, if you just refrain from doing that, you should be all set. |
| 17:09.56 | pb_ | florian_kc: sorry, up where? |
| 17:10.38 | mallum_ | pb_, ./configure --enable/disable-svg would be much nicer :) |
| 17:10.50 | pb_ | patches welcome |
| 17:12.46 | mallum_ | hehe, somehow I new that was the response |
| 17:12.55 | mallum_ | going to be the |
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| 17:14.07 | pb_ | heh |
| 17:16.06 | pb_ | yeah. A few of the newer bits of gpe are autotooled these days, but it's hard to work up the enthusiasm for a wholesale conversion of everything. |
| 17:23.50 | koen | heh |
| 17:24.07 | koen | I thought it would be a nice "getting started" project for me |
| 17:24.23 | koen | I gave up after looking at all the auto* stuff... |
| 17:27.58 | koen | florian_kc: did hallski want to help on the gnomevfs/dbus thing? |
| 17:35.55 | florian_kc | koen: a sort of... they are working on it so we will have it soon :-) |
| 17:36.41 | mallum_ | :) |
| 17:37.16 | koen | florian_kc: good to hear |
| 17:38.50 | florian_kc | mallum_: cvs.handhelds.org:/cvs oe, all you need in addition to this is bb. |
| 17:39.20 | mallum_ | florian_kc, ah cool, just found http://openembedded.org/oe_wiki/index.php/Anonymous%20CVS |
| 17:50.30 | moray | Re FOSDEM, looks like mjg59, stargirl and I will be staying in the Atlas, since the Astrid from last year said they're full. |
| 17:51.11 | florian_kc | hi moray |
| 17:51.15 | moray | hi |
| 17:51.20 | florian_kc | who is mjg59? |
| 17:51.41 | mallum_ | dasher guy |
| 17:51.48 | florian_kc | ah cool |
| 17:51.56 | mallum_ | moray, I havn't booked anywhere as yet :/ |
| 17:52.28 | moray | mallum_: well, the Atlas say they still have rooms |
| 17:52.37 | moray | and were fine when we stayed there before IIRC |
| 17:53.07 | mallum_ | me and ross are going |
| 17:53.10 | moray | 85 euros a night for a double |
| 17:53.15 | moray | ah cool |
| 17:53.15 | mallum_ | cool |
| 17:53.22 | mallum_ | moray, are you eurostaring it ? |
| 17:53.34 | moray | (http://www.atlas-hotel.be/atlas/presentation.html) |
| 17:53.48 | mallum_ | moray, the atlas was where we stayed before right ? |
| 17:53.53 | moray | mallum_: I think other people are - see http://wiki.earth.li/FOSDEM2005 - but I'm hoping to fly straight from Edinburgh |
| 17:54.00 | moray | yeah, the year before last |
| 17:54.14 | mallum_ | cool |
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| 17:56.50 | florian_kc | do we have a telnet client in oe? |
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| 17:57.32 | nilsf | Hi! |
| 17:58.02 | nilsf | koen: I miss a kernel modules in Fam08 build ... namely "keybdev.o" :( |
| 17:58.26 | nilsf | koen: Without it kbdd does not work, i.e. keyboard input events are simply ignored... |
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| 17:59.22 | mallum_ | nilsf, you could try my libfakekey ou if keybdev no present |
| 18:00.03 | nilsf | mallum_: Ah thanks, I once did and IMHO you taold me that this would soon be dropped and would just be a hack ;) |
| 18:01.24 | mallum_ | nilsf, no this is a new thing |
| 18:01.52 | mallum_ | nilsf, http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/matchbox/trunk/libfakekey/ |
| 18:01.59 | nilsf | mallum_: Ah! How do you do it now? I also want to be X11 independant... |
| 18:02.13 | mallum_ | nilsf, http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/matchbox/trunk/libfakekey/fakekey/fakekey.h |
| 18:02.15 | florian_kc | hi zecke |
| 18:02.19 | mallum_ | nilsf, it needs X |
| 18:02.48 | nilsf | mallum_: Too bad then ;) |
| 18:04.06 | mallum_ | nilsf, I dont know how else you'll do it |
| 18:04.20 | mallum_ | nilsf, why need to be X independant ? |
| 18:07.01 | nilsf | mallum_: I use uinput to ionject scan codes directly into the kernel. |
| 18:07.33 | nilsf | mallum_: This way you are also able to log in into your frambuffer console for example (and not to mention that users like Opie would also be able to use it). |
| 18:07.56 | nilsf | mallum_: Or microwin, picogui, nanogui, etc... all would magically work... |
| 18:08.06 | koen | nilsf: ipkg install kernel-module-keybdev |
| 18:08.35 | nilsf | koen: Ah thanks, but either I am blindfolded or my ipkg does not show that package... mompls... |
| 18:09.31 | nilsf | koen: Which feed? I have the vanilla Fam08 installed with no changes to the sources list. |
| 18:09.57 | koen | nilsf: that explains it |
| 18:10.07 | koen | the base feed has a typo.... |
| 18:10.18 | koen | ~lart koen for not noticing that for 3 months |
| 18:10.27 | koen | ~familiar 0.8 |
| 18:10.28 | ibot | somebody said familiar 0.8 was at http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/FamiliarReleaseNotes |
| 18:11.00 | koen | nilsf: see those, or remove one / from the http:/// in the url in base-feed.conf |
| 18:11.37 | mallum_ | nilsf, you are developing for opie now ? |
| 18:12.16 | nilsf | mallum_: Yes sure! You did not know that? We got hired by Trolltech lately. You know, we do anything for money... |
| 18:12.45 | mallum_ | hehe |
| 18:13.34 | nilsf | koen: Better! |
| 18:14.35 | nilsf | koen: Almost ... but still noe kernel-module-keybdev :( |
| 18:16.43 | koen | [koen@h1 0.8]$ pwd |
| 18:16.43 | koen | /home/ftp/distributions/familiar/releases/0.8 |
| 18:16.43 | koen | [koen@h1 0.8]$ ls base/| grep keybd |
| 18:16.43 | koen | kernel-module-keybdev_2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37.4-r4_ipaqpxa.ipk |
| 18:16.51 | koen | so it should be there |
| 18:17.32 | nilsf | Anyone interested in a quick reading? I just wrote an abstract for a GUADEC talk: http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~nils/gpe-guadec2005-abstract.txt |
| 18:17.46 | nilsf | Comments welcome! But quick please, today is abstract deadline... |
| 18:19.05 | nilsf | koen: Hmm... strange. It seems that it is not mentioned in the Packages file though... |
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| 18:19.32 | koen | nilsf: download it manually |
| 18:19.36 | koen | hey TygOniPAQ |
| 18:19.44 | koen | how are they courses coming along? |
| 18:19.47 | nilsf | koen: I'll try, thanks! |
| 18:20.15 | TygOniPAQ | not bad |
| 18:20.17 | mallum_ | nilsf, its good |
| 18:20.18 | TygOniPAQ | hi |
| 18:20.24 | mallum_ | nilsf, but GPE should have some clear goals |
| 18:20.49 | mallum_ | nilsf, and if it wants to be 'GNOME', it should behave like GNOME rather than just using the same toolkit ... |
| 18:20.51 | nilsf | mallum_: Um... what do you mean by that? |
| 18:21.11 | nilsf | mallum_: (By the goals, I mean) |
| 18:21.29 | mallum_ | nilsf, GPE lacks any structure like Gnome |
| 18:21.41 | mallum_ | nilsf, everything is done very adhocally |
| 18:21.55 | nilsf | mallum_: And what do you mean with behaving like Gnome? Cosume lots of memory and die frequently? :) |
| 18:22.17 | nilsf | mallum_: But we are working on it, aren't we? |
| 18:22.59 | mallum_ | nilsf, I mean structure from a project point of view |
| 18:23.20 | nilsf | mallum_: It takes some time to find a proper place for everything. I think we are making good progress. First step was to install DBus. Now we move on to other central infrastructure parts, like gconf and thelike... |
| 18:23.35 | mallum_ | nilsf, a release schuedule, defined platform + deps, roadmap, goals etc etc |
| 18:23.37 | nilsf | mallum_: Yes, that structure is debatable ;) |
| 18:23.42 | mallum_ | nilsf, just look at gnome.org |
| 18:23.56 | nilsf | mallum_: Dare to have a BOF about that at FOSDEM? |
| 18:24.03 | mallum_ | nilsf, sure |
| 18:24.07 | nilsf | Would be a pretty good place to define some things. |
| 18:24.17 | mallum_ | nilsf, but I doubt it would get anywhere |
| 18:24.37 | nilsf | And yes, Florian and me also discussed those things several times. But it is difficult. |
| 18:24.39 | mallum_ | ( to be honest ) |
| 18:24.50 | florian_kc | well maybe - but it is a good idea to make this a point for starting this. |
| 18:24.55 | mallum_ | yeah but atm things just getting worse than any better |
| 18:25.02 | nilsf | mallum_: Maye we will not get to a final decision. But it will make many things more clear. |
| 18:25.15 | mallum_ | the more apps/deps that are added the greater the problem becoems |
| 18:25.17 | nilsf | mallum_: Worse? |
| 18:25.35 | TygOniPAQ | hi nils |
| 18:25.43 | nilsf | mallum_: I think by using OE now we find many of tose problems and hopefully get rid of many too., |
| 18:25.57 | mallum_ | nilsf, OE is no magic buller |
| 18:25.57 | nilsf | Tygger-Bob: Hi! |
| 18:26.27 | nilsf | mallum_: For sure not, but it helps identifying the problems. |
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| 18:26.57 | nilsf | mallum_: We surely still have to fix things ourselves... |
| 18:27.10 | mallum_ | nilsf, yeah but there is so much to do |
| 18:27.17 | nilsf | mallum_: Indeed... |
| 18:27.27 | TygOniPAQ | nilsf it must be nice to see you kbdd growing up :) |
| 18:27.57 | nilsf | mallum_: Let's found GPE-Inc and find some venture capital ;) |
| 18:28.23 | nilsf | TygOniPAQ: What do you mean? |
| 18:28.44 | koen | all the new patches to support more keyboards |
| 18:28.52 | nilsf | :) |
| 18:29.26 | nilsf | Sure! That's how open source works. I now have to do my homework and glue all the parts together... Oh lord, give us *time*! |
| 18:29.50 | TygOniPAQ | /me is on his snapntype as we speak |
| 18:30.05 | koen | nilsf: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/images/siegen.jpg |
| 18:30.33 | pb_ | nilsf: your abstract looks pretty good to me. |
| 18:30.51 | mallum_ | nilsf, api's getting documented would be good too ( and a clear pim api ) |
| 18:30.53 | nilsf | pb_: Thanks ;) |
| 18:31.07 | nilsf | mallum_: Amen... |
| 18:31.31 | nilsf | mallum_: Know any sponsors for that? Really a pity... |
| 18:32.16 | koen | nilsf,mallum_ a while ago I suggested that opie and gpe should have one PIM backend in common |
| 18:32.37 | koen | the opie guys said it would be easy to add the gpe one to opie as plugin |
| 18:33.07 | mallum_ | yeah probably cos opie has a documented PIM api and dont depend on 'raw' sqlite sql |
| 18:33.19 | mallum_ | so they can easily switch backends |
| 18:33.57 | nilsf | But we also have that kind of API as libs ... not fully completed but it is there... |
| 18:34.05 | koen | what about milestones and love-days? |
| 18:34.35 | mallum_ | nilsf, there is a 'libaddressbook' ? |
| 18:34.49 | nilsf | koen: Hmm... love-days where everyone is happy, hugging everyone? |
| 18:34.57 | nilsf | mallum_: Yea, something like this. |
| 18:35.03 | mallum_ | nilsf, really ? |
| 18:35.04 | koen | eberyone is happy hacking on gpe :) |
| 18:35.20 | nilsf | koen: I just tried to find our building on that photo ... difficult ;) |
| 18:35.28 | koen | isn't libgpevtype some sort of abstraction |
| 18:35.41 | koen | ? |
| 18:36.02 | mallum_ | nothing is documented, nobody knows |
| 18:36.02 | koen | nilsf: yeah, landsat is only 30m/pixel or so |
| 18:36.28 | florian_kc | heh, the contacts stuff is the last that is missing an abstraction library... |
| 18:36.30 | nilsf | koen: But still nice ;) |
| 18:37.07 | koen | nilsf: I used worldwind for that (something linux misses) |
| 18:37.09 | nilsf | Anyone knwo orga detals of FOSDEM? How could we arrange a GPE workshop there? |
| 18:37.42 | mallum_ | florian_kc, there is a libtodo ? |
| 18:38.25 | florian_kc | mallum_: yes |
| 18:39.00 | nilsf | mallum_: Oh well, you are so right, not even our core developers seem to know all the details :( |
| 18:39.24 | mallum_ | hehe |
| 18:39.52 | florian_kc | nilsf: we could ask philipe_ if he has an idea, he is working for fosdem orga... |
| 18:40.06 | nilsf | florian_kc: Good, will you? |
| 18:40.13 | mallum_ | nilsf, Im not meaning to sound negative. GPE is really nice and getting quite mature. I think it is just time to make it a bit more serious infrastructure wise, especially if it wants to be GNOME |
| 18:40.21 | nilsf | pb_: Will you do an OE presentation/talk at FOSDEM? |
| 18:40.53 | nilsf | mallum_: Yes, understand and I agree completely. It is just difficult to agree on the "right" way. |
| 18:41.02 | nilsf | mallum_: But we have to do it... |
| 18:41.28 | mallum_ | nilsf, and the longer its left, the harder it becomes |
| 18:42.06 | florian_kc | nilsf: ok |
| 18:42.13 | nilsf | Maybe we should book an hour or two in the embedded software room? |
| 18:42.20 | nilsf | florian_kc: Perfect! |
| 18:43.32 | koen | you do know the fosdem is in belgium, right? |
| 18:43.34 | koen | ;) |
| 18:43.42 | mallum_ | koen, are you coming ? |
| 18:43.51 | nilsf | koen: Um... oops ;) |
| 18:43.55 | florian_kc | *LOL* |
| 18:44.12 | pb_ | nilsf: I believe Herr Lauer will do one. |
| 18:44.15 | koen | mallum_: still planning to |
| 18:44.19 | nilsf | koen: Can you recommend a Belgium restaurant in Bruxelles? |
| 18:44.26 | nilsf | pb_: Ah, OK. |
| 18:44.33 | koen | nilsf: no idea |
| 18:44.56 | nilsf | koen: See, that's why we always ended up eitehr italian, chineese or indian ;) |
| 18:45.14 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:45.25 | florian_kc | heh same as in uk ;) |
| 18:45.33 | nilsf | koen: As dinner? |
| 18:45.42 | koen | dinner, breakfast, lunch |
| 18:45.54 | koen | real belgian waffles |
| 18:45.58 | mallum_ | koen, cool |
| 18:46.02 | pb_ | later all |
| 18:46.05 | mallum_ | koen, bring some dutch super skunk |
| 18:46.06 | koen | later pb_ |
| 18:46.07 | florian_kc | pb_: cu |
| 18:46.09 | nilsf | pb_: Bye! |
| 18:46.33 | nilsf | mallum_: Is that something to smoke? |
| 18:48.36 | mallum_ | nilsf, yeah just messing |
| 18:49.37 | nilsf | mallum_: I quit smoking ;) So not for me (anymore)... |
| 18:59.00 | mallum_ | I wish I could quite smoking |
| 18:59.04 | mallum_ | quit |
| 18:59.09 | mallum_ | I've cut down |
| 19:00.13 | nilsf | mallum_: At least something. Some day when you get a first shoot in your back from your body, you will quit, I promise ;) |
| 19:01.22 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 19:40.54 | rob_w|pda | hmm? |
| 19:43.42 | nilsf | CU |
| 19:44.24 | rob_w|pda | is fosdem a open meeting |
| 19:44.33 | pb_ | yes |
| 19:45.18 | rob_w|pda | in bruessels? |
| 19:45.39 | koen | yes |
| 19:45.55 | rob_w|pda | like when? |
| 19:46.26 | koen | 27/28 iirc |
| 19:46.36 | koen | of febuari |
| 19:46.47 | koen | see fosdem.org for details on the speakers |
| 19:46.53 | pb_ | and, indeed, the dates |
| 19:47.27 | rob_w|pda | good, still some time left to plan a trip |
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| 20:10.25 | rob_w|pda | nice event |
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| 20:33.28 | mallum_ | I've renamed matchbox-nest to 'Xoo', you can grab it here; http://projects.o-hand.com/xoo/ |
| 20:34.14 | koen | Xoo? |
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| 20:35.14 | mallum_ | as in Zoo |
| 20:35.44 | koen | the animal thing? |
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| 20:51.52 | marc__ | hi! Am I the only one that can't run linphone on 0.8? It sigsev on launch... |
| 20:52.57 | pb_ | marc__: upgrade to the version from unstable. |
| 20:53.32 | marc__ | pb_: I was thinking about that, I was just afraid that I would need to upgrade a lot of packages for that |
| 20:54.02 | pb_ | that's possible, yeah. |
| 20:54.11 | pb_ | I don't know offhand whether that linphone was built against gtk 2.6 or not. |
| 20:54.19 | pb_ | if it was, you'd have to upgrade those libs. |
| 20:54.49 | marc__ | last time i tried I just screw the whole thing as I ran out of space but ipkg continue to install stuff |
| 20:55.00 | pb_ | yeah, you need to proceed with caution |
| 20:55.25 | pb_ | if possible, it's best to stop X and use a network login to run the upgrade. |
| 20:55.38 | pb_ | upgrading while programs are active can cause the flash requirements to go up substantially. |
| 20:56.01 | marc__ | oh, I didn't know that |
| 20:59.21 | mallum_ | pb_, any know issues on why a 2.6 kernel husky gpe image would hang on bootsplash ? |
| 21:00.21 | pb_ | none that I can think of. unfortunately, "hang on bootsplash" is a fairly generic failure. that's what you get if it either crashes or doesn't manage to start X. |
| 21:00.55 | mallum_ | pb_, ok Im building a bottstrap image, Ill get networking up and then install ipk's |
| 21:01.06 | pb_ | ok, good plan |
| 21:01.53 | mallum_ | Oe is really nice once it finally builds |
| 21:02.04 | mallum_ | and you can quickly knock out a bootstrap image |
| 21:02.28 | koen | indeed |
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| 21:05.27 | rob_w|pda | oh , O2 has job which quite fits |
| 21:05.52 | rob_w|pda | hurray to the end of vacation time |
| 21:06.56 | mallum_ | well 2.6 booted |
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| 21:38.44 | koen|afk | bbl |
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| 23:01.43 | florian | re |
| 23:02.27 | pb_ | florian: wb |
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