| 00:11.00 | florian | pb_: do you have a device with an oe based image to test syncing? |
| 00:11.20 | pb_ | florian: yes, I just installed a new image on my shepherd. |
| 00:11.27 | pb_ | I can test syncing in the morning. |
| 00:13.04 | florian | pb_: cool, i'll check in some changes to libgpevtype. i hope this will improve syncing of todo events... i only have my h3870 here which still runs familiar 0.7.2 |
| 00:13.50 | pb_ | ok, great |
| 00:13.51 | florian | florian: note: update your ipaq to the cool new familiar 0.8! |
| 00:26.01 | pb_ | hehe |
| 00:26.33 | pb_ | florian: be careful, some have described it as "the hideously broken new familiar 0.8" |
| 00:27.08 | florian | pb_: heh okay... i'll make a backup :-) |
| 00:27.35 | pb_ | I'm still rather scared by these occasional reports that X crashes when you try to create an event in the calendar. |
| 00:28.08 | pb_ | my best guess is that it's actually matchbox-wm crashing. Which is slightly less bad than having the xserver crash, but still not exactly what you want. |
| 00:29.19 | florian | yes, i jut wrote downa note to investigate this tomorrow. |
| 00:29.58 | florian | but before i do this i need to get some sleep... |
| 00:30.01 | florian | good night all |
| 00:30.05 | pb_ | great. I'll also try to investigate that tomorrow. |
| 00:30.20 | pb_ | florian: good night |
| 00:41.37 | mallum | pb_, I heard reports of the server crashing when people run remote apps |
| 00:41.43 | mallum | pb_, and that was with no wm |
| 00:42.16 | pb_ | mallum: we still have this old bug where it crashes if you try to use core fonts and haven't installed any fonts. |
| 00:42.35 | pb_ | it seems that the patch we installed for that in 0.7.x has gone missing. |
| 00:42.47 | mallum | pb_, ah maybe thats what the remote crash is |
| 00:42.57 | pb_ | yeah, that'd be my guess. |
| 00:43.12 | pb_ | most of the remote crash reports I've seen have been with tk or gnu emacs or other old-school apps. |
| 00:43.21 | mallum | the calender crash could be an mb one then |
| 00:43.30 | mallum | I have new mb release to make |
| 00:44.27 | mallum | will do that next week, likely fix it |
| 00:44.32 | pb_ | great |
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| 09:23.22 | koen | good morning all |
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| 09:42.59 | marc__ | hi! |
| 09:43.14 | koen | hey marc__ |
| 09:43.36 | marc__ | I still can't boot =) I don't know if I'm doing the right thing |
| 09:44.17 | marc__ | I did a set linuxargs="<copy/paste>" with console=ttyS0 (was ttySA0) |
| 09:44.33 | marc__ | I can see kernel message, and it stops after loading some modules |
| 09:44.45 | koen | what model again? |
| 09:45.12 | marc__ | It's written h5500 series on the box, but gpe sys info says 5400 |
| 09:45.38 | koen | yes, that's correct |
| 09:45.51 | koen | h5500 = h5400 + ram + newer cpu |
| 09:46.21 | marc__ | ok ;) |
| 09:46.28 | koen | marc__: to you have usb plugged in by accindent? |
| 09:46.33 | marc__ | no |
| 09:46.50 | koen | hmmm |
| 09:46.58 | koen | and pressing ctrl+c in minicom |
| 09:47.07 | koen | does that help? |
| 09:47.30 | marc__ | nothing. I don't know if I should get any echo or not in minicom, but nothing happens |
| 09:49.00 | marc__ | I've got that: |
| 09:49.01 | marc__ | INIT: version 2.86 booting |
| 09:49.01 | marc__ | open: No such file or directory |
| 09:49.11 | marc__ | at the begining... Is this normal? |
| 09:49.16 | koen | happens here too |
| 09:49.44 | marc__ | Ok... so it stops after loading h5400_asic |
| 09:50.13 | marc__ | I can reflash it, but if I can help debugging this... |
| 09:50.33 | koen | you could try taking out the battery for 2 or 3 hours and rebooting it |
| 09:52.01 | marc__ | I took the battery out for all night |
| 09:53.35 | koen | strange |
| 09:53.58 | marc__ | I hope this is not broken... I'm going to reinstall it |
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| 10:07.25 | bedboi | hi there |
| 10:08.41 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 10:08.51 | bedboi | hi koen |
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| 10:19.19 | pb_ | morning |
| 10:26.50 | koen | hey pb_ |
| 10:27.08 | pb_ | hi koen |
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| 11:39.39 | florian_kc | hi all |
| 11:40.46 | koen | hey florian_kc |
| 11:43.57 | pb_ | hi florian_kc |
| 11:44.44 | florian_kc | hmm... don't we have familiar 0.8 images for Simpad? |
| 11:44.51 | koen | it seems not |
| 11:44.57 | koen | I found out 5 minutes ago |
| 11:45.59 | florian_kc | heh |
| 11:46.48 | florian_kc | well.. i forgot my Simpad at home... |
| 11:47.08 | florian_kc | and lost my reset tool for the iPaq. |
| 11:49.59 | koen | s/reset tool/paperclip/? |
| 11:51.03 | florian_kc | koen: well... a special tuned paperclip ;) |
| 11:51.11 | koen | heh |
| 11:55.53 | florian_kc | koen: Do you know who has access to the official familiar website? |
| 11:56.27 | koen | people in proj_website |
| 11:56.34 | koen | notably pb_ :) |
| 11:56.50 | koen | I should to, but somehow it doesn't work |
| 11:57.16 | florian_kc | ah okay... |
| 11:58.23 | pb_ | proj_familiar, not proj_website, but yeah |
| 12:00.40 | pb_ | florian_kc: incidentally, this group also includes you. :-) |
| 12:01.21 | florian_kc | pb_: oh! |
| 12:01.49 | koen | hmmm, it includes me too |
| 12:01.57 | pb_ | indeed it does |
| 12:02.17 | koen | seems I messed up on my end |
| 12:02.52 | koen | as usual |
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| 12:11.24 | reenoo | afternoon |
| 12:11.47 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 12:11.54 | reenoo | hi koen |
| 12:12.37 | florian_kc | hi reenoo |
| 12:13.00 | florian_kc | oh btw. do we have gpsdrive in oe? |
| 12:13.08 | koen | not yet |
| 12:13.11 | reenoo | moin florian_kc |
| 12:13.17 | koen | that's why I asked you :) |
| 12:14.08 | florian_kc | i remember... okay, i add this to my todo. |
| 12:14.24 | florian_kc | i currently suffer from an really outdated oe tree :-./ |
| 12:15.08 | koen | would tarring up mine and putting it only help? |
| 12:18.14 | florian_kc | hmm... i think the last snapshot is not that old, but all my trees are checked out from hh.org cvs so i din't think that would be the best idea. |
| 12:18.53 | koen | ~lart 80-242-242-47.dsl.quicknet.nl |
| 12:19.07 | pb_ | florian_kc: unfortunately, although the snapshot tarballs are updated, the files inside them are not. |
| 12:19.18 | pb_ | the latest snapshot actually contains bits that are many weeks old. |
| 12:20.20 | florian_kc | pb_: eeks! |
| 12:20.44 | pb_ | florian_kc: it seems that there is some malfunction at treke.net |
| 12:21.25 | florian_kc | pb_: right, let me try to ask treke about this again... |
| 12:21.29 | reenoo | treke turned the snapshot script off |
| 12:22.05 | reenoo | the one that used to 'bk pull' anyway |
| 12:22.05 | florian_kc | reenoo: why this? |
| 12:23.24 | reenoo | probably because of the move to the new repository back then. like pb_ said, the snapshots have been down for ages |
| 12:24.10 | florian_kc | is there bk for aix 5? |
| 12:25.14 | reenoo | AIX on POWER and PowerPC (AIX 4.1.5 and later) |
| 12:25.36 | reenoo | sounds like it |
| 12:25.49 | florian_kc | right... |
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| 12:30.27 | florian_kc | hmm... so we have two different rcs for bb stuff and oe?! |
| 12:30.42 | koen | yes |
| 12:31.16 | florian_kc | wel... i don't think i should comment this. |
| 12:33.01 | reenoo | what's the problem with that? |
| 12:34.01 | reenoo | there's no real need to use bk for bitbake. so why not allow access to those who (like you) don't want to use bk? |
| 12:36.59 | florian_kc | reenoo: Yes sure, i'd call this the positive side... but now that a part of the whole system is moved to subversion why not move everything. I don't think there is any need to use bk at all. |
| 12:38.01 | reenoo | yes there is |
| 12:38.47 | reenoo | svn doesn't support moving code between separate repositories which is a major shortcoming |
| 12:40.01 | florian_kc | reenoo: whay is this necessary? |
| 12:40.24 | florian_kc | s/whay/why |
| 12:41.36 | reenoo | you can't check stuff in when offline for one |
| 12:42.07 | reenoo | and at least according to kergoth people make use of hierarchical bk repos for OE |
| 12:44.04 | reenoo | that may not be reason enough for you or for me to use bk for our own projects. but I can understand people who say they need it |
| 12:45.01 | reenoo | and at the end of the day it comes down to convincing kergoth of a move to anything else than bk |
| 12:45.21 | reenoo | which I don't think is going to happen any time soon |
| 12:45.35 | Robot101 | mmm, darcs |
| 12:45.46 | florian_kc | It might be a nice feature but i don't think anyone would "need" it. |
| 12:46.27 | reenoo | <reenoo> and at the end of the day it comes down to convincing kergoth of a |
| 12:46.27 | reenoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.47 | florian_kc | I wonder what is more important... this feature or at least one more person contributing stuff :-/ |
| 12:50.48 | Robot101 | (one or many) |
| 12:50.49 | reenoo | that's a valid point. but still you'd have to take it up with #oe and with kergoth in particular |
| 12:51.30 | florian_kc | Robot101: thats the point... |
| 12:52.19 | Robot101 | disconnected operation is really really handy |
| 12:52.25 | bedboi | hi florian_kc, pb_ , koen |
| 12:52.32 | Robot101 | but, svn can do it (I think?), as can arch and darcs |
| 12:52.38 | bedboi | florian_kc: any news from nilfs? |
| 12:52.38 | Robot101 | darcs is pretty cool I might add :) |
| 12:52.40 | reenoo | svn can't |
| 12:52.47 | Robot101 | isn't there a bolt-on thing? |
| 12:52.51 | pb_ | bedboi: hello! |
| 12:53.07 | reenoo | Robot101: blew up regularly last time I checked |
| 12:53.20 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 12:53.24 | florian_kc | reenoo: indeed... i tried several times. the only result is "yes please move to something else..." by several aother persons. |
| 12:53.43 | florian_kc | hi bedboi |
| 12:53.48 | reenoo | Robot101: if you're referring to that perl scripts collection I forget the name of |
| 12:54.13 | florian_kc | bedboi: not yet... maybe he will be here later today. |
| 12:54.35 | koen | ah, the nilsf-poking-proxy is being deployed |
| 12:54.43 | florian_kc | *gg* |
| 12:55.51 | bedboi | ehehe |
| 12:55.56 | reenoo | florian_kc: again... I had suggested the same for about 6 months before I gave in and downloaded bk. |
| 12:56.28 | reenoo | well.. may have been less than that, but still |
| 12:57.27 | florian_kc | reenoo: you are young and easy to influence ;) |
| 12:58.25 | reenoo | hah |
| 12:58.27 | reenoo | no |
| 12:58.53 | koen | old or stubborn? |
| 12:59.09 | koen | or both |
| 12:59.16 | reenoo | I've learned when a discussion makes sense and when it doesn't |
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| 13:00.08 | seb_ | hi |
| 13:00.12 | reenoo | and at the time a discussion with /dev/null appeared to make more sense than this one to me |
| 13:00.16 | koen | hey seb_ |
| 13:00.33 | seb_ | hey koen |
| 13:00.35 | florian_kc | reenoo: this is why i didn't start it again, but the fact does not become better and thats why i don't support it. |
| 13:00.44 | florian_kc | hi seb_ |
| 13:00.49 | seb_ | i already have the same problem after installation of gpe ... |
| 13:00.55 | seb_ | hi florian_kc |
| 13:01.31 | seb_ | ipkg update still doesn't work |
| 13:01.31 | florian_kc | reenoo: right... i had the same impression from this. i'd call this a pity for oe. |
| 13:01.45 | seb_ | my feeds must be wrong but i don't know with list i have to modified |
| 13:01.54 | koen | /etc/ipkg/* |
| 13:02.04 | seb_ | and what i've to put in ? |
| 13:02.35 | koen | the default ones from 0.8 should work |
| 13:02.55 | koen | I fixed them yesterday |
| 13:07.45 | reenoo | florian_kc, Robot101: if you want the situation to change I invite you to bring it up in #oe or to send mail to the list. and even though I'd support a move, I don't expect it to happen unless arch/etc. provide the same functionality. however, discussing it here doesn't help |
| 13:08.57 | florian_kc | reenoo: yes right... maybe someone != me should start the discussion on the ml again. |
| 13:09.06 | koen | reenoo: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.3479.png and http://handhelds.org/scap/port.3524.png |
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| 13:09.49 | koen | gnuplot works great! |
| 13:10.06 | Robot101 | I'm sure kergoth thinks I'm a moron after me working with OE over the summer anyway :P |
| 13:12.29 | reenoo | koen: yeah, credits go to kergoth though. I've only added the .desktop and icon IIRC |
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| 13:14.29 | koen | just curious: is it possible for gpe-summary to use the desktop background image/colour as a background? |
| 13:15.45 | florian_kc | koen: it has/had an option to use the background image, but iirc all this transparent stuff was a little bit unstable. |
| 13:16.51 | reenoo | florian_kc, Robot101: I think the "switch to <insert free (as in freedom) rcs here> and you'll get at least two new contributors" would be worth a shot |
| 13:17.11 | reenoo | but you'll have to do it yourself |
| 13:17.16 | reenoo | nobody else can |
| 13:17.34 | reenoo | ...do it for you |
| 13:25.24 | florian_kc | reenoo: ok |
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| 13:27.18 | reenoo | Robot101: darcs looks interesting |
| 13:28.20 | reenoo | the "Written in Haskell" reminds me of a lengthy assignment I should start with :/ |
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| 14:09.31 | koen | whatcha gonna do when they come for you, bedbois, bedbois |
| 14:09.56 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 14:10.18 | koen | the movie was on last night :) |
| 14:15.28 | bedboi | ehehe |
| 14:15.32 | bedboi | :) |
| 14:24.02 | koen | any luck on debugging kbdd? |
| 14:24.47 | bedboi | nope |
| 14:24.57 | bedboi | actually i had no time to do that |
| 14:25.09 | bedboi | and i don't know how to debug it |
| 14:26.51 | florian_kc | hmm... hell what takes up all the ram in familiar 0.8? |
| 14:27.40 | koen | don't know, but mallum has some memory saving patches standing by |
| 14:28.28 | koen | according to mallum it saves about 1M per app on bigscreen devices |
