| 00:19.04 | florian | night... |
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| 10:39.08 | pb_ | yo zecke |
| 10:39.09 | pb_ | yo koen |
| 10:39.14 | jobi | hi |
| 10:39.53 | jobi | I have an SDL window that I would like not to bet set fullscreen by matchbox |
| 10:40.26 | jobi | so I managed to set the window type to _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DIALOG, and indeed the window is no longer fullscreen |
| 10:40.48 | pb_ | jobi: very good |
| 10:41.14 | jobi | the problem is that the window is now allways on top |
| 10:41.32 | pb_ | yes, I think that's unavoidable. |
| 10:42.09 | pb_ | what exactly are you trying to accomplish? |
| 10:42.41 | jobi | pb_: I'd like to use the ipaq as a videophone |
| 10:42.51 | jobi | I'm using SDL to display the video |
| 10:42.55 | pb_ | ok |
| 10:42.59 | jobi | I use a small window to spare CPU cycle |
| 10:43.00 | pb_ | why don't you want the window full-screen? |
| 10:43.07 | pb_ | ah, I see. |
| 10:43.26 | jobi | when fullscreen, the displaying seems to kill the ipaq (no hardware overlay I think) |
| 10:43.54 | pb_ | I don't think Matchbox really supports what you are trying to do. Can you use a fullscreen window, but only draw into a small part of it and leave the rest blank or static? |
| 10:44.16 | jobi | yes that's what I was doing until now |
| 10:44.23 | jobi | but that's ugly :) |
| 10:45.01 | pb_ | I think that's about your only option, other than installing a different window manager. |
| 10:45.13 | jobi | pb_: ok |
| 10:45.32 | jobi | I guess always on top is actually no that bad |
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| 10:46.20 | pb_ | The other thing you could try would be marking your window as a toolbar, I suppose. |
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| 10:49.53 | pb_ | florian: good afternoon! |
| 10:50.03 | florian | hi all |
| 10:52.01 | florian | hrm... 2.4.27 fails on my laptop :-/ |
| 10:52.05 | pb_ | doh |
| 10:53.22 | pb_ | florian: you could take your life in your hands and install 2.6.8.1, I suppose. |
| 10:54.25 | florian | I'm using Nils's kernel tree, run sid like he and i can't find any difference in the hardware. |
| 10:54.37 | pb_ | ah, very strange |
| 10:54.39 | pb_ | how does it fail? |
| 10:55.11 | florian | It freezes starting hotplug... |
| 10:56.28 | florian | or maybe pcmcia... |
| 10:56.39 | florian | Sep 4 12:44:25 lem kernel: Linux Kernel Card Services 3.1.22 |
| 10:56.39 | florian | Sep 4 12:44:25 lem kernel: options: [pci] [cardbus] [pm] |
| 10:56.39 | florian | Sep 4 12:44:25 lem kernel: PCI: Enabling device 02:07.1 (0000 -> 0002) |
| 10:56.39 | florian | Sep 4 12:44:25 lem kernel: PCI: Enabling device 02:08.0 (0000 -> 0002) |
| 10:56.39 | florian | Sep 4 12:44:25 lem kernel: Yenta IRQ list 0498, PCI irq5 |
| 10:57.30 | florian | sorry... too much, the line that ends with [pm] is the last i get. |
| 10:58.17 | pb_ | mm, that does look like pcmcia. Does the machine boot if you disable the pcmcia system? |
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| 10:59.39 | bedboi | hi all |
| 10:59.43 | pb_ | hi bedboi |
| 10:59.57 | florian | i bet it does, but i didn't try so far... i'd need to activate one of the others before this. |
| 11:00.03 | florian | bedboi: morning! |
| 11:00.06 | florian | oh |
| 11:00.09 | bedboi | morn |
| 11:00.35 | florian | in fact "afternoon" seems to be more correct :-) |
| 11:01.34 | bedboi | btw i woke up at 9 in the morning |
| 11:02.13 | florian | pb_: the output in the next line is realted to the second cardbus bridge... |
| 11:13.57 | florian | pb_: Do you suffer from lack of equipment at home? |
| 11:20.28 | pb_ | florian: heh. well, not usually, but in this case I have both that problem and the opposite one. |
| 11:21.33 | pb_ | my OE build machine is sitting here with me at the moment, but it would be better off at Nexus. And a different machine needs a power supply that I think I left at the office yesterday. |
| 11:22.29 | pb_ | also, this new heatsink that I installed in my desktop doesn't seem to be up to the job. the motherboard no longer shuts down, but now the CPU overheats and crashes. |
| 11:22.30 | florian | er... this reminds me that i really need to buy a new power suppy for my tft :-/ |
| 11:22.46 | pb_ | so, I need to call in at the computer shop (which is near to Nexus) and buy another one. |
| 11:22.46 | florian | pb_: :-/ |
| 11:25.52 | pb_ | yeah, it's a bit of a nuisance. oh well. |
| 11:28.24 | pb_ | florian: Andy was complaining of that yesterday. It seems to do something in ~/.mozilla that takes ages if /home is on jffs2/ |
| 11:28.43 | pb_ | He said that it took 20 seconds to start when /home was on cf or ramdisk, and about 50 seconds when /home was on jffs2. |
| 11:28.55 | florian | oh! |
| 11:29.01 | pb_ | it's rather weird. I don't quite know what's going on there. |
| 11:29.52 | pb_ | I know that some operations (like stat, iirc) are much slower on jffs2 than other filesystems, but I didn't expect mozilla to be using those very much. |
| 11:30.05 | pb_ | this was on his pxa255 platform, of course. It might be even worse on the SIMpad. |
| 11:30.25 | florian | pb_: imho there is s general flash problem on the simpad, installing the 7mb package took hours... |
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| 11:31.45 | pb_ | florian: ah, strange |
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| 12:53.40 | bedboi | back |
| 12:56.45 | jobi | what is the tool that takes screenshots and send them to handhelds.org named? |
| 12:59.25 | florian | jobi: scap |
| 12:59.34 | jobi | florian: thanks |
| 13:01.49 | jobi | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.2787.png |
| 13:01.56 | jobi | minisip with video |
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| 13:08.13 | florian | jobi: hey, that's cool :-) |
| 13:08.42 | jobi | yep, and quite usable |
| 13:08.59 | jobi | though it would be better with a bluetooth headset |
| 13:09.56 | florian | indeed... without looking and speaking at the same time might be a problem :-) |
| 13:10.18 | jobi | I wish we had a camera for the ipaq |
| 13:10.42 | jobi | now I'm using a isight on my laptop, with a firewire cardbus adaptor |
| 13:11.50 | florian | right, it might be possible to connect one, but it is a hack... |
| 13:12.32 | jobi | maybe one can use a v4l usb cam, but they usually suck for real time video |
| 13:13.11 | florian | yep.. but better than nothing. but the connection to ipaq is not that easy. |
| 13:13.27 | pigeon | you also need a usb host for a usb cam |
| 13:13.36 | jobi | HP had released a SDIO cam, wonder hw that performs, and if it would ever work on ipaq |
| 13:13.52 | jobi | on linux I mean |
| 13:14.33 | florian | well... _slow_ |
| 13:14.52 | pigeon | btw, there's a non-sdio cam, of course it didn't work on linux, yet. |
| 13:15.12 | florian | there are several cf cams, but i'm not aware of linux drivers. |
| 13:15.43 | jobi | pigeon: how do you connect it? like a sleeve? |
| 13:16.02 | pigeon | jobi: it's an sd cam |
| 13:16.07 | florian | using a usb cf card might be an idea, but it is quite expensive |
| 13:16.22 | pigeon | but doesn't use sdio |
| 13:16.35 | jobi | pigeon: ok |
| 13:16.38 | pigeon | it's an sdcam for the xda1, as xda1 doesn't support sdio |
| 13:16.58 | florian | pigeon: interesting... does it behave like a memory device? |
| 13:17.24 | pigeon | florian: it might. I've tried inserting it to my 38xx, it doesn't like it. |
| 13:17.57 | pigeon | that's one thing worth reverse enginerring for, out of millions other things ;) |
| 13:19.45 | pigeon | it's that time again... nite everyone :> |
| 13:34.40 | pb_ | jobi: I think it should be possible to make sdio cameras work on the ipaq, though someone would have to write the drivers. |
| 13:46.38 | pb_ | back in a bit |
| 13:47.50 | florian | re |
| 13:47.54 | florian | sorry |
| 13:48.44 | jobi | the compositing effects in matchbox are really cool |
| 13:49.03 | jobi | and faster than on my Athlon + radeon :) |
| 13:49.15 | florian | hehe |
| 13:58.27 | florian | jobi: did you add minisip to oe? |
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| 13:59.40 | jobi | oe? |
| 14:00.24 | florian | jobi: OpenEmbedded |
| 14:00.38 | jobi | what is that? |
| 14:02.43 | florian | jobi: A build system for embedded devices, next familiar release will be based on it. |
| 14:03.09 | jobi | florian: ok, no, I have built some ipk manually |
| 14:04.13 | florian | jobi: ah okay... |
| 14:04.40 | jobi | where can I learn about oe? |
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| 14:06.08 | florian | jobi: http://www.openembedded.org/oe_wiki |
| 14:06.23 | florian | jobi: and there is #oe |
| 14:06.33 | florian | oh btw. |
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