| 00:14.27 | pigeon | pb_: and it's in. |
| 00:14.39 | pb_ | great! |
| 00:20.38 | pb_ | pigeon: were you also working on a rewritten day_view, or was that someone else? |
| 00:20.42 | pb_ | mason, maybe |
| 00:25.25 | pigeon | pb_: hmm, not me. |
| 00:25.46 | pb_ | okay. must have been mason then. |
| 00:27.08 | pb_ | oh well. I'll make a new release of gpe-calendar anyway to incorporate your fixes. |
| 00:27.30 | pigeon | pb_: that's cool, thanks. |
| 00:32.20 | reenoo | 'night all |
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| 08:45.50 | Travis|H | what is the "desktop" portion of gpe called? |
| 08:47.17 | Travis|H | mbdesktop right? .. is the source available for that? i am not seeing it on the ftp |
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| 09:17.30 | Travis|H | hmm .. if i want to try and get gpe up and running from source .. do I need gtk2 ? .. how is it that you guys can squeeze all of gpe down to like 16mb .. gtk2 takes up like 55mb after dependencies on a regular environment |
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| 09:26.37 | florian_kc | re |
| 09:26.41 | florian_kc | good morning |
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| 09:26.51 | Travis|H | good morning |
| 09:26.56 | Niacin | morning |
| 09:27.59 | S3b]-[OuT | hi, someone can say to me if is possible from GPE environment connect to a remote x-server and use it? |
| 09:29.40 | florian_kc | Travis|H: mbtesktop it is, the source is in applications cvs... tarballs are available here: http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox/download.html |
| 09:29.57 | florian_kc | s/mbtesktop/mbdesktop |
| 09:30.24 | Travis|H | i'd assume getting matchbox up and going might be a bit easier than getting opie going |
| 09:30.26 | Travis|H | hm |
| 09:30.30 | Travis|H | i think ill try that |
| 09:31.42 | Travis|H | gtk2 and libgpewidget are for another day methinks heh |
| 09:31.49 | florian_kc | S3b]-[OuT: Yes this will work, but at the moment not for a whole session, because gpe-dm doesn't speak xdmcp. |
| 09:33.04 | florian_kc | Travis|H: hehe, matchbox should be easy... i a few hours mallum will be here - he should know everything about it. |
| 09:34.45 | florian_kc | Travis|H: gtk2 is necessary - not for plain matchbox, but for it's tools and sure - for gpe. but we have gpe images for old 16mb iPaqs - so it fits including some nice apps. |
| 09:35.12 | S3b]-[OuT | thanks florian_kc |
| 09:36.21 | Travis|H | yea i have a non-ipaq pda so it seems i am on my own most of the time :) |
| 09:39.35 | florian_kc | Travis|H: Yes, at the moment non-iPaq support in familiar is bad. I hope this will change soon that we have images at least for Zaurus and Simpad. |
| 09:39.44 | Travis|H | CURSE THIS INFERNAL MACHINE! *throws his mobilepro to the floor .. catching it before it hits* |
| 09:41.31 | florian_kc | Well... i know this feeling, i need to work with an H5550 now :-/ |
| 09:42.46 | Travis|H | basically i am just trying to get a semi useful desktop envornment going .. twm isn't my idea of that :) |
| 09:43.56 | florian_kc | hehe right... |
| 09:49.30 | Travis|H | might be better off with fluxbox on netbsd |
| 09:51.08 | florian_kc | Travis|H: Which device is this? |
| 09:52.56 | Travis|H | mobilepro 780 .. runs a 168mhz mips vr4121 cpu ... http://atoms.dontexist.com/images/mobilepro780.jpg if you have never seen one |
| 09:53.30 | florian_kc | I don't think so... let me look |
| 09:54.11 | florian_kc | Hey, this looks cool! How good is linux support for this? |
| 09:54.36 | Travis|H | linux support is pretty much zero as much as i can tell |
| 09:54.45 | Travis|H | but i have a full netbsd install /w x and all |
| 09:55.51 | Travis|H | gtk2 compile is currently chugging along .. we'll see how that goes heh (i expect it to run out of space though .. so thats that) |
| 09:57.12 | Travis|H | i got her connected to my wireless network /w a pcmcia 802.11b card and my HD is a 256mb CF card .. unfortunately the 24mb rom is shadow rom and not flash rom |
| 09:57.13 | florian_kc | Travis|H: There should be some cheap mips boxes available for native compiling ;-) |
| 09:57.59 | Travis|H | yea i should go hit up ebay |
| 09:58.25 | florian_kc | Travis|H: ah nasty... i think then it's similar to the Jornada. Does netbsd support suspending it? |
| 09:58.51 | florian_kc | Travis|H: But be sure to get the right mips endianess... |
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| 09:59.28 | Travis|H | yea it suspsends |
| 09:59.49 | Travis|H | even takes down the net connection and brings it back when I power back up |
| 10:00.20 | Travis|H | full touch screen and keyboard support |
| 10:00.33 | florian_kc | mallum: morning |
| 10:00.52 | florian_kc | Travis|H: Hey, this sounds quite good :-) |
| 10:01.01 | mallum | hey florian_kc |
| 10:01.14 | Travis|H | yea its a fantastic setup .. its just a matter of how i am going to use it |
| 10:01.46 | mallum | florian_kc: saw the visual performace scap btw |
| 10:02.06 | Travis|H | what are some cheap little endian machines to look for? |
| 10:02.32 | mallum | Travis|H: any old x86 machines ? |
| 10:03.20 | Travis|H | yea |
| 10:03.49 | florian_kc | mallum: mips! |
| 10:04.02 | florian_kc | mallum: I hope it was mine!? |
| 10:05.06 | florian_kc | Ah, another screenshot of opies screenshot app ;-) |
| 10:05.55 | florian_kc | Hmm... let me think - if my indy is big endian.... |
| 10:06.18 | florian_kc | Travis|H: Decstations should be little endian iirc. |
| 10:07.13 | mallum | florian_kc: I think we need some *like* ; |
| 10:07.22 | mallum | Visual Performance: |
| 10:07.40 | mallum | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.48 | mallum | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.01 | mallum | Hmm I dunno there is better wording Im sure |
| 10:08.06 | mallum | look how XP sets it up |
| 10:08.43 | PaxAnima | "Visual performance" sounds bad as a label |
| 10:09.24 | Travis|H | yea microsoft calls their labels "Visual Effects" and then lets you turn on various options |
| 10:12.13 | PaxAnima | "Visual performance", with eg. [] Window effects (or "Window drop shadow" or something similar) |
| 10:12.21 | PaxAnima | ach. "Visual effects" |
| 10:12.43 | Travis|H | call it "Visual Enhancements" |
| 10:12.52 | PaxAnima | even better |
| 10:13.34 | florian_kc | mallum: Yes, that's true... at least it needs to be improved. |
| 10:13.42 | mallum | Yeah could even just be ; Enable Visual Effects [] |
| 10:14.07 | mallum | florian_kc: also I dont know if the tabs need juggling around or a new tab added |
| 10:14.30 | mallum | florian_kc: the stuff in the theme tag now doesn't fit that well |
| 10:15.11 | florian_kc | hmm... "Enable Visual Enhancements" ?! |
| 10:15.42 | florian_kc | mallum: yes, i was a little bit lazy yesterday :-) |
| 10:16.02 | Travis|H | hey when you said "gtk2 is necessary - not for plain matchbox, but for it's tools" .. which tools were you talking about? |
| 10:16.26 | PaxAnima | I'd call it "Enable Visual Effects", as wheter it enhances the visual or not is a subjective thing |
| 10:17.23 | florian_kc | Travis|H: e.g. for most dock applications and the config tool for the dock. |
| 10:17.48 | florian_kc | PaxAnima: Yes, right you are.... |
| 10:18.38 | mallum | Travis|H: The wm, panel, desktop and clock ( mb one ), battery monitor, menu launcher, wavelan monitor etc need no toolkit - just xlib |
| 10:19.20 | Travis|H | awesome .. i like the sound of that |
| 10:22.48 | mallum | Travis|H: its a pain to do stuff that need a proper featured GUI in just xlib, thus things like the panel manager are GTK2. But theres no reason why you could check the source and build it in another toolkit ( its pretty simple ) |
| 10:25.04 | Travis|H | yea i am working with odd hardware and just trying to get a somewhat decent looking desktop to lauch a few basic apps from .. and it sounds like i will be able to do that just fine |
| 10:26.19 | mallum | Travis|H: cool, matchbox 0.8 gets release today/tommorow |
| 10:26.52 | Travis|H | awesome .. anything fun in the changelog? |
| 10:27.28 | Travis|H | or mostly just bugfixes |
| 10:28.23 | Travis|H | btw: how long have you been working on matchbox for now .. i see you put out .3 at the end of 2002 |
| 10:28.46 | mallum | Travis|H: about 2 and a bit years now :/ |
| 10:29.04 | mallum | Travis|H: I have to right release notes with all nessercary changes |
| 10:29.31 | mallum | Travis|H: big change is now source is broken up to be more modular - eg seperate source packages for wm,panel,desktop etc |
| 10:29.41 | Travis|H | cool |
| 10:30.16 | mallum | and pango support throught |
| 10:30.21 | mallum | panel in titlebar support |
| 10:30.31 | mallum | composite support |
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| 10:39.39 | loz | hello. anyone got any pointers about setting up a build for zaurus? |
| 10:40.36 | mallum | loz: search the zuarus forums |
| 10:42.43 | loz | on OZ or elswhere (I want GPE btw) |
| 10:45.21 | mallum | loz: GPE is only part of familiar currently |
| 10:45.57 | loz | I know, but the website says come here to try and make binary builds. I want to try and start the build for zaurus.. |
| 10:46.57 | mallum | you can grab the GPE source from hh.org cvs |
| 10:47.04 | florian_kc | We had some links in the wiki iirc... lt me look. |
| 10:47.41 | florian_kc | Ahhh... http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/GpeOnZaurus |
| 10:47.51 | florian_kc | ok, it is a little bit thin... |
| 11:30.41 | S3b]-[OuT | bye |
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| 11:53.13 | pb_ | morning |
| 11:54.21 | florian_kc | pb_: hello! |
| 11:55.06 | pb_ | hi florian_kc! |
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| 13:44.25 | reenoo | hi |
| 14:19.54 | florian_kc | hi reenoo |
| 14:41.59 | pb_ | hi reenoo |
| 14:45.49 | reenoo | hi all |
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| 15:01.15 | pattieja | morning |
| 15:01.26 | florian_kc | hi pattieja |
| 15:01.35 | pattieja | hello florian_kc |
| 15:04.37 | pattieja | florian_kc: did you get to see the screenshots I posted for iaxComm on scap? |
| 15:04.53 | pattieja | I can't remember if it was you or pb_ or someone else |
| 15:05.10 | pattieja | don't even know if they're still there or not |
| 15:05.51 | pattieja | they're gone |
| 15:06.10 | pattieja | I'd like to work on resizing the display panels and dialog boxes, if I can |
| 15:06.43 | pattieja | don't know exactly how I'm going to do that, but there are tools to work with the executable's rc files? that dynamically change the layout of buttons, etc. |
| 15:06.49 | pattieja | hopefully I can shrink stuff |
| 15:08.04 | florian_kc | pattieja: this was me... |
| 15:08.42 | florian_kc | pattieja: yes, rc files is maybe worth a try... but usually you'll need to change source. |
| 15:09.36 | pattieja | florian_kc: hopefully that won't be too difficult |
| 15:09.59 | PaxAnima | pattieja: have a look at the gtkrc file that comes with psCalc2.. got some space saving options set there |
| 15:10.36 | pattieja | PaxAnima: where do I get psCalc2? on the iPAQ or a Debian distro? |
| 15:10.45 | PaxAnima | pattieja: on the ipaq.. |
| 15:11.18 | PaxAnima | I got the gtkrc, if you just want taht |
| 15:11.20 | PaxAnima | that |
| 15:11.27 | pattieja | PaxAnima: k |
| 15:11.30 | pattieja | that's fine |
| 15:11.34 | pattieja | is it small? |
| 15:11.47 | PaxAnima | the gtkrc file? yes |
| 15:11.51 | pattieja | k |
| 15:12.31 | PaxAnima | http://pax.meir.nu/gtkrc <-- there ;) |
| 15:13.10 | PaxAnima | the options set under style "Shrink" are the ones you want |
| 15:13.22 | pattieja | PaxAnima: ahh. iaxComm is only linking against GTK through wxWindows. It doesn't use GTK natively |
| 15:13.35 | PaxAnima | oh.. |
| 15:13.56 | pattieja | they have a wxrc executable that you can dynamically modify the binary files themselves to change widget settings |
| 15:14.18 | pattieja | I was going to attempt that first |
| 15:15.06 | PaxAnima | ok.. if it were a native gtk+ app, then those options would have helped ;) |
| 15:15.16 | pattieja | PaxAnima: right |
| 15:15.25 | pattieja | I'll look to see if it generates anything like that |
| 15:15.41 | pattieja | where would that typically go? in /root's directory (if run as ruser root)? |
| 15:16.04 | pattieja | hmmm.... |
| 15:16.07 | pattieja | cat iaxcomm |
| 15:16.08 | pattieja | 666 |
| 15:16.17 | pattieja | interesting |
| 15:16.26 | PaxAnima | what is iaxcomm? |
| 15:16.34 | pattieja | PaxAnima: iaxclient.sf.net |
| 15:16.58 | pattieja | it is an IAX/IAX2 VoIP client that interoperates with the Asterisk PBX system |
| 15:17.04 | PaxAnima | ah |
| 15:17.25 | PaxAnima | I guess that you can't use any gtk_* functions in a wxwindows program.. |
| 15:17.32 | pattieja | PaxAnima: ok |
| 15:17.48 | pattieja | I'm not seeing any .*gtk* anything in /root either |
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| 15:48.40 | pb_ | hell. |
| 15:51.29 | florian_kc | eh, nasty! |
| 15:51.45 | florian_kc | pb_: how did this happen?! |
| 15:52.02 | pb_ | florian_kc: I'm not sure. I guess I must have accidentally driven through a police roadblock or something. |
| 15:55.34 | florian_kc | pb_: oops, is is usual that carryovers of roadblock lay around in uk?! |
| 15:56.16 | pb_ | florian_kc: heh, no, not really. In reality I suspect I just hit a stray piece of metal or a sharp rock or something. |
| 15:56.32 | florian_kc | pb_: hehe |
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| 16:57.08 | galajamie | I can get gpe to start, but don't seem to have any fonts. Can anyone help? |
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| 17:03.23 | florian_kc | galajamie: maybe :-) which image did you install or on what kind of hardware do you use? |
| 17:04.01 | galajamie | florian: based off of unstable5 bootstrap. on ipaq h5550 |
| 17:05.00 | florian_kc | galajamie: ah ok, you installed gpe manually on the bootstrap image? with packages from unstable feed? |
| 17:05.19 | galajamie | florian: yes. |
| 17:06.51 | galajamie | gpe-login starts, but there are no labels on the text boxes. |
| 17:08.59 | florian_kc | galajamie: Do you have ttf-bitstream-vera installed? |
| 17:09.06 | galajamie | florian: yes. |
| 17:10.50 | galajamie | gpe-confd does not seem to be starting.... |
| 17:11.04 | galajamie | or should that start after login? |
| 17:11.18 | mallum | galajamie: have you tried as root running fc-cache -f -v ? |
| 17:11.48 | florian_kc | I'm not sure about this, but at least you should have labels without it.... |
| 17:12.02 | galajamie | mallum: just ran, no change... restarted gpe-dm as well. |
| 17:12.15 | mallum | galajamie: what did it output ? |
| 17:12.15 | florian_kc | hmm yes, sounds like a good idea... |
| 17:12.57 | galajamie | mallum: 20 fonts in ttf, 5 in misc, 60 in 75dpi, bitched about /usr/share/fonts, and /root/.fonts, then succeeded. |
| 17:13.07 | florian_kc | galajamie: You should stop gpe-dm and run is manually from console. It sould produce some output... |
| 17:13.12 | mallum | galajamie: hmmm, thats really odd |
| 17:13.22 | mallum | galajamie: = jamie ? |
| 17:13.48 | galajamie | mallum: not really. |
| 17:14.26 | galajamie | hmm, complaining about pango.... |
| 17:14.35 | galajamie | that would do it. |
| 17:14.42 | florian_kc | ah |
| 17:15.28 | galajamie | Yeah... it works. |
| 17:16.02 | mallum | [ot] what can I use to make animated gifs ? |
| 17:16.35 | galajamie | mallum: been a while, gimp, or whirlgif. |
| 17:17.04 | mallum | okie |
| 17:17.06 | galajamie | anyone know if there is pixbuf theme engine built for arm/ipaq? |
| 17:17.19 | mallum | its built into gtk2 iirc |
| 17:17.37 | mallum | *very* slow are pixbuf themes though |
| 17:17.44 | galajamie | I can't seem to find the .so on the fs. |
| 17:18.00 | mallum | yeah should just work |
| 17:18.30 | mallum | I have a load of packaged gtk2 themes Im about to uplaod |
| 17:19.52 | galajamie | also, can anyone suggest a way to prevent gtklabel from limiting the width of the text? I need to be able to display text the full width of the screen? |
| 17:22.44 | florian_kc | galajamie: then you should make sure the label is sized in this way. imho the label itself doesn't limit the length of text. |
| 17:24.03 | galajamie | florian: in the gtk source atleast for gtklabel it limits the text width to half of the screen. |
| 17:27.00 | galajamie | I copied the label source, and changed the offending lines, but I wan't sure if there was a better way. |
| 17:29.15 | florian_kc | galajamie: Usually thae application using the label should not set a fixed width, but it might be possible that the theme defines a default size. What is the parent widget of this label? |
| 17:29.35 | galajamie | florian: sorry, gotta run lunch meeting. |
| 17:29.43 | florian_kc | :-) |
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| 17:48.43 | pb_ | phew, fixed my flat. |
| 17:49.08 | pb_ | now I actually have the ability to leave the office :-) |
| 17:52.58 | mallum | Im bombing scap for new mb screenshots, if any gpe folks want to take some shots for gpe shots page |
| 17:53.56 | florian_kc | Hmm sounds good :-) |
| 17:59.38 | mallum | florian_kc: appearence still has old window title btw |
| 18:00.57 | mallum | time for mediabox shots now |
| 18:02.23 | florian_kc | mallum: please remind me later... i'll fix this then... |
| 18:02.59 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 18:11.43 | dc_ | hey there |
| 18:12.26 | pb_ | dc_! |
| 18:12.48 | dc_ | :-] |
| 18:13.08 | dc_ | how's it all going? |
| 18:13.22 | pb_ | yeah, good. |
| 18:13.32 | dc_ | goto fosdem? |
| 18:13.34 | pb_ | just doing some more work on multisync. |
| 18:13.39 | pb_ | yah, I plan to. |
| 18:13.52 | pb_ | taking the Eurostar. |
| 18:13.58 | dc_ | ah cool |
| 18:14.02 | dc_ | sounds fun |
| 18:14.04 | pb_ | will you be joining us? |
| 18:14.09 | dc_ | not sure. |
| 18:14.14 | dc_ | what date is it? |
| 18:14.21 | pb_ | weekend after next, I think. |
| 18:14.30 | pb_ | 21st/22nd, something like that |
| 18:14.32 | dc_ | ahh. I might be able to then |
| 18:14.36 | dc_ | half term is next week. |
| 18:14.44 | pb_ | aha |
| 18:15.21 | pb_ | fear |
| 18:16.03 | moray | pb_: Did you get far yet in persuading people libglade was a reasonable idea? |
| 18:16.03 | dc_ | doh |
| 18:16.03 | dc_ | the HIG never sleeps |
| 18:16.04 | pb_ | moray: not all that far, though gpe-bluetooth is using it now |
| 18:16.18 | moray | Right. Maybe I should set an example and convert gpe-soundbite or something. |
| 18:16.21 | dc_ | heh yeah. sounds like a lot of work will need to be done |
| 18:16.34 | pb_ | I don't think any other programs have actually been rewritten to use it. I've been remaining vigilant for signs that someone is about to start a new program, but thus far nobody has. |
| 18:16.37 | mallum_ | dc_: *shudder* |
| 18:17.01 | dc_ | I like the look of this panel manager, mallum? |
| 18:17.26 | mallum_ | dc_: how are you mr ? |
| 18:17.47 | dc_ | mallum_: I'm going good, slacking at college etc. |
| 18:18.10 | mallum_ | dc_: coledge going well ? |
| 18:18.17 | ade|home | evening all |
| 18:18.48 | dc_ | mallum_: well yeah. gotta finish of coursework etc... |
| 18:18.52 | dc_ | it just keeps going |
| 18:19.46 | dc_ | mallum_: has gpe on the Zs had any new improvments? |
| 18:19.58 | mallum_ | dc_: nothing much really |
| 18:20.09 | mallum_ | dc_: hardware accel X |
| 18:20.19 | dc_ | right. still envolves the hacky install? |
| 18:20.28 | dc_ | mallum_: that's a huge improvment. |
| 18:20.37 | dc_ | mallum_: or is it? |
| 18:20.55 | mallum_ | dc_: yeah see cacko.biz |
| 18:21.37 | dc_ | ah |
| 18:21.41 | dc_ | who made that? |
| 18:21.59 | mallum_ | the ruskys |
| 18:22.05 | dc_ | right.... |
| 18:22.27 | dc_ | ah. not gpe. |
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| 18:23.21 | dc_ | it's kind of silly trying to run abiword sized apps on my Z because of its utter lack of memory. |
| 18:24.46 | dc_ | anyhow. looks like fun. I'll need to do some serious stuff this half term. |
| 18:25.00 | pb_ | sounds like you need to do more work on gpe-word :-} |
| 18:25.00 | dc_ | a while ago linux on my powerbook packed up. |
| 18:25.19 | dc_ | after the hard drive screached like mad. never good. |
| 18:25.57 | dc_ | this is true. |
| 18:26.05 | dc_ | maybe that can be a task. |
| 18:26.17 | dc_ | steal the abiword2 core. |
| 18:26.21 | dc_ | now they've ported it to gtk2 |
| 18:27.48 | dc_ | woah. this cacko stuff is very organised. |
| 18:28.11 | dc_ | we even get pictures of their developers, and their bank account number. |
| 18:28.48 | dc_ | and some scary looking lady is their uber commander. |
| 18:28.57 | dc_ | well. her name is scary. |
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| 18:29.08 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:29.16 | dc_ | http://cacko.biz/index.php?showid=23&menuid=4 |
| 18:29.36 | pb_ | oh yes, crumbs |
| 18:29.58 | dc_ | and there's a kid who looks younger than I used to. |
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| 18:39.56 | mallum_ | dc_: ruskys you know ruskys |
| 18:53.52 | mallum_ | there is cool stuff on bbc4 tonight dudez |
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| 19:07.49 | dc_ | doh. I only have normal tv... |
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| 19:09.17 | pb__ | re |
| 19:09.19 | pb__ | oh whoops, forgot to log out before. |
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| 19:10.41 | florian | re |
| 19:11.35 | galajamie | I get Gdk warnings : locale not supported by Xlib, and can not set local modifiers... any ideas? |
| 19:11.42 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 19:11.49 | pb_ | galajamie: I think those are normal. |
| 19:12.31 | galajamie | pb: ok. |
| 19:12.35 | mallum_ | galajamie: were experimenting with a reduced calorie xlib. Using it produces them messages |
| 19:21.30 | galajamie | anyone know about dropbear? It's bound, but not responding... |
| 19:21.58 | pb_ | what do you mean by not responding? |
| 19:22.15 | galajamie | Connection refused when I attempt to connect from another host. |
| 19:22.42 | pb_ | does netstat show it listening? |
| 19:22.47 | galajamie | yup. |
| 19:22.53 | galajamie | or something on port 22 |
| 19:24.02 | pb_ | strange. |
| 19:24.38 | galajamie | It says RSA disabled on startup, but I think I remember that from before. |
| 19:24.46 | pb_ | yes, that's normal. |
| 19:27.56 | ade|home | mallum_ : whats on bbc4 tonight ? |
| 19:29.37 | mallum_ | ade|home: bbc4 is tetrising tonight |
| 19:29.55 | ade|home | mallum_ : ah cool, when ? |
| 19:30.02 | mallum_ | 9 o'clock |
| 19:30.19 | mallum_ | then another computer program about history of pc which might be a bit crappy |
| 19:30.54 | mallum_ | but then a 1 off called 'trigger happy' I've seen before about history of videogames - very good |
| 19:30.57 | ade|home | mallum_: did you see clarkson's bit about computers the other week |
| 19:31.14 | mallum_ | ade|home: yeah - we're all goona die from EMP bombs |
| 19:31.24 | ade|home | yay :) |
| 19:31.49 | ade|home | thank god for hardwired bios, and cds :) |
| 19:32.03 | ade|home | emp that pal :) |
| 19:34.10 | mallum_ | I surrounded my house with lead walls |
| 19:35.14 | galajamie | sounds like you need to order a farady change and tinfoil hat too. |
| 19:40.16 | ade|home | not a maxwell note? or a ampere wallet ? |
| 19:40.26 | mallum_ | galajamie: ah already had those |
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| 19:41.55 | ade|beth2 | tee hee just kidding, faraday 'cage' ? |
| 19:43.04 | galajamie | yeah, it filters/scrambles EM signals. |
| 19:44.34 | galajamie | http://www.physics.gla.ac.uk/~kskeldon/PubSci/exhibits/E3/ |
| 19:46.00 | ade|beth2 | indeed a 'cage' will |
| 19:46.41 | pb_ | ade|beth2: I guess a faraday change is what you need when your cage gets full up. |
| 19:47.52 | ade|beth2 | pb_: i'd prefer hard stuff, like gold rather tahn small change |
| 19:48.01 | ade|beth2 | s/tahn/than |
| 19:48.11 | pb_ | ade|beth2: you're a dreamer. |
| 19:49.06 | ade|beth2 | pb_: indeed this diazepam is great stuff |
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| 19:52.12 | pb_ | brb |
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| 20:06.19 | pb_ | hm, I wonder what that "s" is doing in the topic. |
| 20:10.51 | florian | Looks like something is missing... |
| 20:10.59 | *** topic/#gpe by irc.freenode.net -> This is #gpe, not #handhelds.org | GPE: The GPE Palmtop Environment | latest bootstrap images: unstable9 |
| 20:11.24 | florian | Oh, i was guilty... |
| 20:12.48 | pb_ | florian: :-) |
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| 20:17.36 | budy | Hello. |
| 20:18.50 | florian | hi budy |
| 20:21.53 | florian | brb |
| 20:35.32 | budy | Does ut make a difference, if I install bootgpe2-v0.7.2+unstable9-h3900.jffs2 instead of bootgpe2-v0.7.2-h3900.jffs2 and upgrading to the unstable feed? |
| 20:36.06 | pb_ | Not really. |
| 20:37.00 | budy | Okay, so all the little glitches I have, would be the same? |
| 20:37.19 | pb_ | It's hard to say without knowing what they are, but I would expect so. |
| 20:38.16 | budy | Some GPE (or X) related stuff, namely the handling op the backlight of my h5500. |
| 20:38.44 | pb_ | well, backlight isn't specifically related to X. what is wrong with it? |
| 20:41.32 | budy | I had problems configuring the sleep and owner settings, both of them would not save the changes I made. |
| 20:41.37 | florian | re |
| 20:42.34 | florian | budy: oh, sounds like a bug for me :-/ |
| 20:42.58 | budy | Hmm, but now it seems to work. I have configured auto-login, could this be it? |
| 20:43.40 | florian | hmm maybe... |
| 20:43.43 | florian | eh? |
| 20:44.01 | florian | We have auto login support?! |
| 20:44.21 | budy | I think so. |
| 20:46.53 | budy | Hmm, "ownerphoto" - is this the name of the photofile, or is it path+name? |
| 20:49.54 | budy | Oh, there it is again. I had set the sleep config Auto dim level to 5, but when it dimmed the display, it won't switch in the bl again. |
| 20:50.13 | florian | budy: This is only a kind of placeholder for default setting... if you change it add it with complete path. |
| 20:50.37 | budy | florian: Thanks, got it. |
| 20:51.42 | florian | budy: Looks like ipaq-sleep doesn't work properly with the h5550 :-/ |
| 20:52.29 | budy | Yes, I think so, too. |
| 20:53.42 | florian | pb_: do you know if this bug is fixed in unstable? |
| 20:53.51 | pb_ | florian: which bug? |
| 20:54.12 | florian | I received an interesting mail from one of the opensimpad guys... |
| 20:54.30 | pb_ | aha, what did he have to say? |
| 20:54.38 | florian | pb_: ipaq-sleep and h5000 backlight... |
| 20:55.09 | pb_ | florian: not as far as I know. Is it specific to h5000? |
| 20:55.34 | pb_ | It might be some bad interaction with the new minilite, possibly. |
| 20:55.39 | florian | pb_: He is trying to set up an image build system using existing packages. |
| 20:56.16 | budy | Apropos unstable, I have tried to get bootgpe2-v0.7.2+unstable9-h3900.jffs2 on my H5500, but after transferring it it wouldn't boot. |
| 20:57.12 | florian | pb_: At least it doesn't happen on my 3870 and ipaq-sleep should have some hardware dependencies... |
| 20:57.34 | florian | I hope to have our h5550 free to check this soon... |
| 20:57.34 | pb_ | florian: I don't think ipaq-sleep does have any hardware-dependent code. The kernel should hide those differences for the most part. |
| 20:57.46 | pb_ | okay. I can go and try to find my h5500 if need be. |
| 20:57.57 | florian | pb_: I think it looks for interrupts... |
| 20:58.39 | pb_ | florian: the interrupt stuff should be unused, or at least only there as a last resort. The MIT-SCREEN-SAVER extension provides most of the stimulus. |
| 20:59.41 | florian | pb_: oh cool... then i may remove this interrupt config stuff from gpe-conf?! |
| 20:59.49 | pb_ | florian: yes, by all means. |
| 21:00.01 | florian | *gg* |
| 21:00.25 | pb_ | florian: I think its only use was to stop the machine from shutting down when you were logged in to it over the network, but there are probably better ways of achieving that anyway. |
| 21:01.07 | florian | yes, true... and it doesn't need to be configured by gpe-conf ipaqscreen... |
| 21:01.19 | pb_ | right. |
| 21:01.36 | florian | pb_: btw. is it hard for you to _find_ your h5500?! |
| 21:03.56 | pb_ | florian: well, I haven't seen it for a week or so. I think it's probably still packed in my luggage from when I was in New York. |
| 21:04.02 | florian | What to do first? Improving gpe-package, fixing the meory hole in gpe-aerial, adding a menu to gpe-contacts (to have space for more functions)? |
| 21:04.22 | pb_ | All of these sound like good ideas :-) |
| 21:05.05 | florian | I know... my todo is much longer :-/ |
| 21:05.16 | florian | I think i'll answer this mail first. |
| 21:06.16 | florian | pb_: btw. i used this orinoco driver yesterday - it seems to work fine, the only issue i found was that the card doesn't resume properly. |
| 21:07.39 | pb_ | florian: ah, right. Does the old driver resume properly? |
| 21:07.49 | pb_ | argh, all the web browsers on this laptop seem to be broken. |
| 21:08.21 | ade|beth2 | pb_: dillo is YOUR trusty friend ;) |
| 21:08.36 | pb_ | hah |
| 21:08.45 | pb_ | actually, that reminds me, I should make debian packages of dillo 0.8 |
| 21:08.45 | florian | pb_: I'm not sure if i ever tried... i'll do it later. |
| 21:09.23 | florian | oh, i should learn how this is done... |
| 21:09.31 | mallum_ | dillo - incredable fast performing, incredable slow development |
| 21:09.40 | mallum_ | :/ |
| 21:10.00 | pb_ | development isn't _that_ slow. |
| 21:10.04 | ade|beth2 | dillo, if only they'd put franks patches in |
| 21:10.14 | pb_ | yeah, that's more of a problem. |
| 21:10.20 | ade|beth2 | grrrrrr |
| 21:11.16 | ade|beth2 | i think the 'core' people are far to far up their own .... [] |
| 21:12.44 | florian | hehe |
| 21:13.05 | florian | Yes, they had patches for ssl and gtk2... :-/ |
| 21:13.37 | florian | Who will use dillo if they switch to fltk? And where? |
| 21:14.03 | ade|beth2 | a gtk2 would be nice |
| 21:14.16 | ade|beth2 | would make i18n easier |
| 21:15.05 | ade|beth2 | i can see the need for a gtk port, but times more on |
| 21:15.57 | ade|beth2 | like gpe, gtk1 was faster , but gtk2 looks better and in time is getting cleaned smaller faster better modules |
| 21:16.11 | ade|beth2 | yay for gtk2 |
| 21:16.13 | ade|beth2 | :) |
| 21:16.13 | florian | ade|beth2: They had gtk2, they had ssl and they had some other useful stuff... |
| 21:16.25 | ade|beth2 | not in cvs |
| 21:16.30 | florian | true |
| 21:16.37 | ade|beth2 | as patches to the tree |
| 21:17.03 | ade|beth2 | cos the f(*&(*&(*&) hippies wouldn't let the majority rule |
| 21:17.42 | florian | Yes, gtk2 is slower and needs more memory, but where you are able to keep several widget sets you don't want to use dillo. |
| 21:18.42 | florian | But the corrct solution would be the more modern gtk2 and try to optimize this... i'm sure there are many possebilities doing this. |
| 21:18.45 | Niacin | florian i have problems on the 5400 |
| 21:18.51 | Niacin | making the screen blakn |
| 21:18.54 | Niacin | blank* |
| 21:18.58 | Niacin | it sleeps fine |
| 21:19.06 | Niacin | just wont blank the screen |
| 21:19.10 | mallum_ | wouldn't worry about it, all be using minimo in 18 months ;-) |
| 21:20.35 | ade|beth2 | mallum_: are there any binaries around arm or x86 ? |
| 21:21.01 | mallum_ | ade|beth2: there is an ipkg in unstable. interface is a bit crappy though atm |
| 21:22.17 | florian | Niacin: Which kernel do you use? |
| 21:23.58 | budy | florian: I have the same problem like Niacin on my H5500, running hh36. |
| 21:24.30 | budy | Niacin: Hi. |
| 21:24.49 | florian | I don't have hh36 to test at the moment :-/ |
| 21:25.38 | florian | pb_: It might be a good idea to search for your h5500 :-) |
| 21:25.54 | pb_ | florian: hehe, yes. let me do that right away. |
| 21:27.25 | Niacin | florian i have the unstable9 running |
| 21:27.52 | Niacin | florian if you need access to a 5400 i have sshd running on mine |
| 21:28.09 | budy | Niacin: How did oyu manage to do it. I have tried today, but the transferred jffs2 would not boot. |
| 21:28.33 | Niacin | you prob used the wrong unstable9 |
| 21:28.49 | florian | Niacin: Sounds like a good idea, but remote debugging of a suspend issue is not that easy ;-) |
| 21:29.01 | budy | Niacin: Well, I have tried both. |
| 21:29.03 | Niacin | well i can work on it with you |
| 21:29.04 | Niacin | http://handhelds.org/~pb/unstable/bootgpe2-v0.7.2+unstable9-h3900.jffs2 |
| 21:29.06 | Niacin | thats the one |
| 21:29.10 | Niacin | it *works* |
| 21:29.21 | Niacin | i have reset twice using that image |
| 21:29.50 | budy | Niacin: Whot do you mean with "twice"? |
| 21:29.57 | florian | Niacin: Why? Is the display not initialized corectly? |
| 21:30.18 | Niacin | florian when you say Sleep |
| 21:30.22 | Niacin | you mean screen off? |
| 21:30.36 | Niacin | or do you mean off? |
| 21:30.50 | ade|beth2 | mallum_: indeed minimo looks rather good |
| 21:31.21 | florian | Niacin: Sleep should be off... |
| 21:31.42 | budy | My H5500 refused to boot the image after transferring with some complaints about an "Unrecognized kernel image" |
| 21:32.45 | mallum_ | ade|beth2: yeah its incredably fast and featured. still quite big though and limited interface |
| 21:32.54 | Niacin | florian there is no sleep problem |
| 21:33.03 | Niacin | the only problem with the 5400 on unstable9 |
| 21:33.09 | Niacin | is that it won't make the screen go blank |
| 21:33.19 | ade|beth2 | download is 4mb , install szie? |
| 21:33.54 | Niacin | arg this isn't good |
| 21:34.02 | ade|beth2 | 4.9 even |
| 21:34.02 | Niacin | i turned my ipaq on this morning |
| 21:34.07 | Niacin | and its vibrating solid |
| 21:34.11 | Niacin | it won;t stop |
| 21:34.22 | Niacin | i tried taking the batt out.. and putting it back in... same thing |
| 21:35.04 | florian | This seems to be a hardware issue, these devices seem to react very nasty in soe situations. |
| 21:35.13 | florian | s/soe/some |
| 21:35.23 | Niacin | heh so what should i do? |
| 21:35.54 | florian | Remove the battery and wait for some time... i had the same some time ago. |
| 21:36.32 | Niacin | florian want to help me fix the SD/MMC driver for the 5400 :> |
| 21:36.34 | florian | Sometimes it happens that it doesn't want to do anything at all... sometimes it takes hours until it starts to live again. |
| 21:37.32 | florian | Niacin: I'm not used to MMC/SD ad all and very low of time at the meoment - but i'll help what i can... |
| 21:38.14 | Niacin | yeah i think its important tho |
| 21:38.21 | Niacin | lots of people keep asking about it |
| 21:38.36 | pb_ | right, found it. that wasn't so hard. |
| 21:38.54 | pb_ | okay, so what's the problem exactly? |
| 21:38.57 | Niacin | florian yay started working again |
| 21:38.58 | pb_ | Niacin, budy: you set the screen to blank, and it doesn't? |
| 21:39.05 | Niacin | yeah |
| 21:39.10 | Niacin | and screen saver doesn't work |
| 21:39.17 | budy | Thats it. |
| 21:39.21 | Niacin | if you load the program 'blank' |
| 21:39.22 | pb_ | florian: do you know where the screen blanker setting is that we're talking about? |
| 21:39.25 | Niacin | and do blank 1 |
| 21:39.31 | Niacin | it doesn;t blank it |
| 21:39.48 | pb_ | is the "blank" program part of GPE? |
| 21:40.01 | Niacin | well there is a blank program in GPE |
| 21:40.21 | budy | Hmm, it snot present on my h5500. |
| 21:40.31 | Niacin | o yeah pb i have noticed that every time you clean boot the 5400 on unstable9 |
| 21:40.40 | Niacin | it freezes after the back light powers up |
| 21:40.45 | Niacin | if you reset again it works fine |
| 21:40.55 | Niacin | sec let me find where the back light setting is |
| 21:41.31 | pb_ | I don't seem to have "blank" on my 5500. Are you sure that isn't something you installed yourself? |
| 21:41.57 | budy | pb_: I would guess so. |
| 21:42.00 | pb_ | Yes, the thing where it crashes during the first boot from cold is a known bug (but with no known solution). I think the mediaq graphics driver is at fault. |
| 21:42.33 | budy | Which app is triggered by the screen blanker? |
| 21:42.38 | Niacin | i thought there was a blank screen option in gpe but i guess not |
| 21:42.44 | Niacin | mainly the screen saver don't work |
| 21:42.45 | Niacin | hehe |
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| 21:44.39 | pb_ | florian: do you know what gpe-conf does with the "screen saver" setting? I glanced quickly at the ipaqscreen code but couldn't figure it out. |
| 21:45.17 | pb_ | oh, I see, it passes it to "xset s". |
| 21:45.31 | pb_ | maybe our xserver doesn't do screen blanking. |
| 21:46.10 | pb_ | I guess we should provide something like xscreensaver for people who want that stuff. |
| 21:46.35 | florian | exactly... |
| 21:47.14 | mallum_ | we should make it work with dbus |
| 21:47.31 | mallum_ | so a movie can be playing and the screensaver wont kick in |
| 21:48.13 | pb_ | yes, that would be a nice idea. |
| 21:49.19 | florian | hm... right, i think we need to talk about a dbus concept at fosdem... |
| 21:49.28 | pb_ | right |
| 21:55.06 | Niacin | fosdem? |
| 21:55.51 | pb_ | ibot, tell Niacin about fosdem |
| 21:56.57 | florian | hmm... did it? |
| 21:57.14 | pb_ | apparently |
| 21:58.15 | Niacin | yeah |
| 21:58.19 | Niacin | itsi n europe? |
| 21:58.20 | florian | :-) |
| 21:58.26 | Niacin | have it in Australia |
| 21:58.28 | Niacin | and i will go |
| 21:58.58 | pb_ | I guess the name would be a little misleading if it was in Australia. |
| 21:59.07 | Niacin | heh :> |
| 21:59.44 | pb_ | not to mention that it would be much more difficult for all of the rest of us to go. |
| 22:02.24 | florian | This is not our first invitation to Australia ;-) |
| 22:02.32 | pb_ | heh |
| 22:02.47 | moray | pb_: I suppose people from sufficiently large companies might be more likely to go that way. ;) |
| 22:03.02 | pb_ | moray: true enough :-) |
| 22:03.17 | pb_ | not that people from sufficiently large companies seem to be having much trouble attending in Brussels either. |
| 22:03.24 | moray | Indeed. |
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| 22:05.45 | florian | mallum_: The gtk theme you used ther looks nice: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.14071.png |
| 22:06.18 | budy | Gotta go, bye. |
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| 22:13.53 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 22:13.58 | pb_ | hi jsmanrique |
| 22:14.14 | jsmanrique | have anyone used sylpheed? |
| 22:14.26 | jsmanrique | today I've read that Yopy is using it as email reader |
| 22:14.38 | pb_ | that's right |
| 22:14.38 | jsmanrique | and I've read that Yopy uses GPE |
| 22:14.44 | pb_ | that's not right. |
| 22:14.58 | jsmanrique | GPE->Gnome Palmtop Environment |
| 22:15.07 | jsmanrique | :-D |
| 22:15.52 | mallum_ | florian: yeah its via the smooth engine |
| 22:16.06 | mallum_ | florian: one sec will upload |
| 22:17.07 | florian | mallum_: oh cool! |
| 22:17.30 | mallum_ | florian: gtk-bluebox-theme |
| 22:17.45 | mallum_ | florian: the colors need tweeking a bit though |
| 22:19.49 | florian | mallum_: ok, great - i'll wait some minutes and update :-) |
| 22:32.56 | Travis|H | does anyone know where dillo keeps its temp files? |
| 22:32.57 | mallum_ | florian: if you tweak the colors so they fit bluebox a bit more ( eg a bit greyer ) would you send me a patch |
| 22:33.57 | florian | Travis|H: I hope in /tmp |
| 22:34.18 | florian | mallum_: i'll look first - if i change something i'll send you a patch. |
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| 23:20.30 | florian | This irq setup stuff was 4k in binary... |
| 23:21.09 | pb_ | crumbs. |
| 23:34.01 | pb_ | hm, the multisync source code is fairly gruesome. |
| 23:34.48 | florian | :-( |
| 23:35.05 | pb_ | I guess it gets the job done, though. |
| 23:35.07 | florian | Like gpsdrive? |
| 23:35.24 | pb_ | ah, I've never looked at gpsdrive. |
| 23:36.59 | pb_ | also, it looks like multisync likes to use vCard and iCal formats internally. So, we might need to break that libmimedir code out of gpe-beam into some kind of library that gpe-multisync can share. |
| 23:39.58 | florian | Yes, sounds like a good idea... we could change our data layouts to become more compatible with vcard in this step too. |
| 23:40.59 | pb_ | Yeah. |
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| 23:50.07 | pb_ | ah, hm. except that gpe-beam wants to use sqlite directly, and gpe-multisync will need to use nsqlc. |
| 23:50.30 | reenoo | mallum_: were the scaps that show e.g. the panel manager taken from latest unstable? |
| 23:52.54 | mallum_ | reenoo: yes, and some unreleased themes |
| 23:54.49 | florian | mallum_: What is the name of this theme package? |
| 23:57.21 | reenoo | mallum_: those themes are the most polished (personal opinion) ones I've seen... I want them ;) especially for FOSDEM =) |
| 23:58.54 | florian | I removed the package tool and external keyboard config from gpe-conf. |
| 23:59.17 | florian | ok, they are still there - but not compiled in per default. |
