| 00:10.17 | florian | night all |
| 00:10.30 | pb_ | night florian |
| 00:11.36 | mallum | g'night |
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| 10:19.24 | mallum | tigert: hi! |
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| 10:31.51 | florian_kc | hi all |
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| 13:25.45 | mighty-joe | anyone tried gpe on sharp zaurus? |
| 13:26.06 | mallum | yes |
| 13:26.12 | mallum | ish |
| 13:26.58 | florian_kc | Hmm... we should create a list of things to do for proper Zaurus support. |
| 13:28.12 | mallum | good idea, it would be useful to get a list of apps with ipaq-isms in them |
| 13:28.28 | florian_kc | 1. gpe-conf |
| 13:28.32 | florian_kc | 2. minilite |
| 13:29.33 | mallum | I think all the gpe panel apps will break on a panel bigger than 20px high |
| 13:30.26 | mighty-joe | so... it is possible? i found this http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?showtopic=6199 |
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| 13:30.47 | mighty-joe | do you think it'll work if i'll do it like described there? |
| 13:32.07 | florian_kc | mallum: yes, that's possible... i think we should fix this to make support for other platforms easier. |
| 13:32.39 | mallum | florian_kc: right, the 20px high panel on a c7x0 is just too small |
| 13:32.52 | mallum | mighty-joe: they are the best docs I've ever seen on doing it |
| 13:33.02 | mallum | mighty-joe: its a hack currently :/ |
| 13:33.27 | mighty-joe | doesn't matter. if it works, it works. |
| 13:33.31 | mallum | ibot: gpe on zaurus is a hack, see http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?showtopic=6199 |
| 13:33.33 | | okay, mallum |
| 13:33.42 | mallum | ibot: gpe on zaurus |
| 13:33.44 | | hmm... gpe on zaurus is a hack, see http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?showtopic=6199 |
| 13:34.12 | florian_kc | mallum: hmm i think this will be nearly invisible.... |
| 13:34.57 | florian_kc | mallum: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.23771.png |
| 13:35.50 | mallum | ibot: gpe on zaurus is a hack, see http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?showtopic=6199. Please help make it nicer by (a) adding GPE to openzaurus/openembedded or porting familiar to Z's (b) helping out making some gpe apps less ipaq bound |
| 13:35.52 | | ...but gpe on zaurus is already something else... |
| 13:36.03 | mallum | ibot: forget gpe on zaurus |
| 13:36.04 | | mallum: i forgot gpe on zaurus |
| 13:36.06 | mallum | ibot: gpe on zaurus is a hack, see http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?showtopic=6199. Please help make it nicer by (a) adding GPE to openzaurus/openembedded or porting familiar to Z's (b) helping out making some gpe apps less ipaq bound |
| 13:36.08 | | okay, mallum |
| 13:36.28 | mallum | florian_kc: WOOT ! |
| 13:36.36 | mallum | florian_kc: that looks *really* nice ! |
| 13:37.13 | mallum | florian_kc: oh I got my panel order manager thingy ready for a release |
| 13:37.23 | mallum | florian_kc: needs new matchbox though. just fixing that up now |
| 13:37.48 | florian_kc | mallum: i need to add pb_s nice wlan card detection code.... |
| 13:38.28 | florian_kc | mallum: did dou find out why minisys takes that much cpu with latest X? |
| 13:40.05 | mallum | florian_kc: yeah I need to rewrite some of it so it works differently |
| 13:40.25 | florian_kc | mallum: sounds nasty |
| 13:40.37 | mallum | florian_kc: it wont take long, but ideally a need a new icon which is why earlier I was pinging tigert |
| 13:40.42 | mallum | tigert: ping ping ping |
| 13:40.47 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 13:49.53 | tigert | pong |
| 13:50.01 | tigert | what's up? |
| 13:50.14 | tigert | or, what icons? |
| 13:52.54 | mallum | tigert: hello kind sir :-) |
| 13:53.12 | mallum | tigert: I need 2 icons which I cant get out of gnome art :/ |
| 13:53.52 | mallum | tigert: one is a 'on ac power' icon which needs to be 32x16 |
| 13:54.43 | mallum | tigert: the other will take some more explination |
| 13:55.48 | mallum | tigert: its for the system monitor applet. Its needs to be 16x32 this time, with the top half representing memory usage and the bottom half representing cpu usage |
| 13:55.59 | mallum | tigert: does all that make sense ? |
| 13:56.13 | mallum | tigert: would be eternally grateful if you could do them ? |
| 13:56.22 | mallum | tigert: the icons from gnome art look great btw |
| 13:58.12 | mallum | tigert: see http://gpe.handhelds.org/screenshots/view_photo.php?set_albumName=eyecandy&id=port_11207 |
| 14:13.43 | florian_kc | mallum: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.11938.png |
| 14:13.52 | florian_kc | this is better... |
| 14:14.16 | mallum | florian_kc: :-) |
| 14:14.26 | mallum | florian_kc: I would kill the close button though maybe |
| 14:15.00 | mallum | florian_kc: all may line up text like; |
| 14:15.10 | mallum | netmask: xx.xx.xx.xx |
| 14:15.31 | mallum | Address: XX.xx.xx.xx |
| 14:15.34 | mallum | arg |
| 14:15.54 | mallum | florian_kc: you see what Im trying to type |
| 14:16.12 | florian_kc | mallum: one the one hand you are right - on the other it is _really_ nasty to close a window if your touchscreen is not perfect calibrated. |
| 14:16.15 | florian_kc | ly |
| 14:16.24 | florian_kc | mallum: yep :-) |
| 14:20.05 | mallum | florian_kc: we should assume the ts is callibrated if its not something it wrong and 'breaking' other stuff is not the right way to fix it. I think we need a new default mb theme though with bigger buttons |
| 14:20.29 | mallum | florian_kc: I am working on that - that old screenshot I showed tigert is it in progress |
| 14:21.08 | mallum | florian_kc: also apps can hint to the wm so an 'Ok' is shown rather than close |
| 14:21.10 | florian_kc | mallum: yes, right... maybe we should keep these buttons for now but make tham smaller/nicer. |
| 14:21.53 | tigert | mallum: nice shot |
| 14:23.15 | tigert | mallum: hey |
| 14:23.17 | tigert | so about the dual icon |
| 14:23.24 | tigert | how are you going to do the graph/monitor thing on it? |
| 14:25.47 | mallum | tigert: yeah, to the right of it. Two little monitors for each rather than current graph |
| 14:25.47 | mallum | tigert: wait, I'll find link for thing on pocketpc that looks similar |
| 14:27.32 | tigert | oh |
| 14:27.45 | tigert | so just two icons |
| 14:27.50 | tigert | the link would help if you can find a pic |
| 14:28.26 | mallum | tigert: trying to find ... |
| 14:32.47 | sabrewulf | wonder if pb will ever apply my patches |
| 14:33.20 | mallum | tigert: see http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=12358&associateid=148, top left corner of screenshot |
| 14:33.54 | florian_kc | sabrewulf: he is quite busy usually... if it takes longer than three day remind him :-) |
| 14:36.11 | sabrewulf | heheh, its been about a week :) |
| 14:36.15 | sabrewulf | maybe 4-5 days actually |
| 14:37.36 | florian_kc | sabrewulf: Well... i'll remind him... if i don't forget. maybe tell the bot to drop him a message. |
| 14:38.14 | sabrewulf | which one is the bot |
| 14:38.29 | sabrewulf | ibot? |
| 14:38.33 | sabrewulf | heh |
| 14:38.33 | florian_kc | yep |
| 14:39.08 | sabrewulf | ibot: hello? |
| 14:39.12 | | Howdy Bub |
| 14:39.12 | florian_kc | sabrewulf: e.g. in this way |
| 14:39.54 | florian_kc | "ibot: botmail for pb_ What about my patches?" |
| 14:40.10 | sabrewulf | ibot: botmail for pb_ how about those patches? :) |
| 14:40.14 | sabrewulf | i see |
| 14:40.20 | sabrewulf | ibot: help |
| 14:40.26 | sabrewulf | he doesn't reply to msg or ctcp |
| 14:40.32 | sabrewulf | it would be nice :) |
| 14:41.58 | florian_kc | sabrewulf: msg should work... |
| 14:42.22 | tigert | mallum: top right you mean? :) |
| 14:45.10 | mallum | tigert: um ... year |
| 14:50.02 | tigert | :) |
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| 15:06.44 | florian_kc | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.2351.png |
| 15:06.47 | florian_kc | next one :-) |
| 15:10.57 | mallum | florian_kc: :-)) |
| 15:11.24 | mallum | florian_kc: that app must have now cleared up 5 entrys ! |
| 15:12.09 | florian_kc | mallum: 4, there was no network info before... |
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| 15:54.55 | mallum | florian_kc: 4 is still pretty good going :-) |
| 15:55.45 | florian_kc | mallum: yes, that's true |
| 16:31.26 | mallum | nearly all of matchbox can now optionally render text with pango :-) |
| 16:32.19 | florian_kc | oh cool... |
| 16:33.04 | mallum | Just the desktop and minitime todo |
| 16:34.10 | florian_kc | And i finished coding this default gw stuff... |
| 16:36.34 | florian_kc | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.1138.png |
| 16:37.21 | mallum | florian_kc: ah cool |
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| 17:19.09 | RobiWan | Hi # |
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| 18:06.39 | florian | re |
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| 18:16.35 | pb_ | sabrewulf: been too busy to deal with any patches recently, but I'll get to them tomorrow. sorry about that. |
| 18:17.05 | florian | hi pb_ |
| 18:17.15 | pb_ | hi florian |
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| 18:33.22 | tid-wave | i |
| 18:33.24 | tid-wave | hi |
| 18:33.28 | tid-wave | what is Figment ? |
| 18:34.09 | florian | tid-wave: hi - an outliner... |
| 18:36.36 | tid-wave | hmm i wonder why mi iPAQ enters standby at random |
| 18:36.52 | tid-wave | or maybe it isn't even radom |
| 18:37.23 | pb_ | if it's a 5000 series, most likely because your xserver is out of date. |
| 18:38.12 | tid-wave | it's 3600 |
| 18:38.16 | tid-wave | and i have familiar 0.7.2 |
| 18:38.39 | pb_ | oh, right. actually, come to think of it, there's nothing 5000-specific about that bug. |
| 18:38.52 | pb_ | so, the same probably applies to your 3600. |
| 18:39.11 | pb_ | Are you using the latest server from the feed, or the one from the bootstrap? |
| 18:39.21 | tid-wave | bootstrap |
| 18:39.29 | tid-wave | i have installed GPE for the first time :D |
| 18:39.38 | tid-wave | i didn't even configure the network yet |
| 18:40.21 | pb_ | ah, okay. well, once you configure the network and "ipkg upgrade", the problem should go away. |
| 18:40.38 | tid-wave | ok |
| 18:41.18 | tid-wave | damn i cannot solve the lights out puzzle :D 2 light remain on :) |
| 18:41.24 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:41.58 | florian | tid-wave: hehe, lights out is not that easy... c:-) |
| 18:42.25 | pb_ | Maybe we should try to talk nelson into making some updated 0.7.2 bootgpe images. |
| 18:47.21 | tid-wave | 1 light |
| 18:47.24 | tid-wave | rrr |
| 18:47.25 | tid-wave | :) |
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| 18:50.47 | nilsf | Wup! |
| 18:50.48 | florian | oh :-) |
| 18:50.52 | florian | hi nilsf |
| 18:52.02 | mallum_ | hey nilsf |
| 18:52.23 | nilsf | mallum_: Hi Matthew! |
| 18:52.54 | mallum_ | nilsf: how goes ? |
| 18:53.37 | nilsf | mallum_: Quite fine ;) Lot of work in various areas ... sadly, at least for me speaking, not much time for GPE and iPaq Linux... |
| 18:54.11 | mallum_ | nilsf: yeah, seems lots of people are busy with other stuff at the moment |
| 18:54.26 | nilsf | mallum_: Tonight we have a hacking meeting and I will try to find the power drain problem with the H38xx iPAQs, try #2. |
| 18:55.17 | mallum_ | nilsf: ah cool |
| 18:56.23 | nilsf | mallum_: More or less cool... the specs for ASIC2 are still not disclosed so this is more or less poking around in the dark. Not much fun, actually. |
| 18:56.44 | nilsf | BTW: Anyone interested in a GPE developer conference ;) ? |
| 18:58.12 | florian | Next week? ;-) |
| 18:58.22 | mallum_ | at fosdem ? |
| 18:58.29 | nilsf | florian: A little later this year... |
| 18:59.07 | nilsf | mallum_: Maybe I can get some sponsoring for it ... only limitation: It has to be in Germany, more exctly in the Stuttgart area. |
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| 19:00.24 | florian | hmm... this is about 500km from fosdem... not that complicated with some cars :-) |
| 19:00.42 | mallum_ | Im not going to fosdem by car again :/ |
| 19:01.49 | florian | mallum_: Afraid of Bruxelles streets? ;-) |
| 19:02.03 | mallum_ | florian: indeed! |
| 19:06.30 | mallum_ | nilsf: we need to get more developers ! |
| 19:06.50 | cmarqu_ | mallum_ is a chicken! mallum_ is a chickeeeeen! |
| 19:07.07 | cmarqu_ | Stuttgart sounds cool. |
| 19:07.32 | mallum_ | cmarqu_: shuddup |
| 19:08.05 | cmarqu_ | I agree that one should at least have a map for Brussels. |
| 19:08.25 | cmarqu_ | But I'm not going at all, with the new job etc. |
| 19:08.37 | mallum_ | arg, brussels is a nightmare. not even safe with gps |
| 19:08.49 | nilsf | mallum_: Then this event could be a good event to find some... |
| 19:08.56 | florian | hehe, indeed :-/ |
| 19:10.19 | cmarqu_ | nilsf: Is the prospective sponsor a secret? |
| 19:13.33 | nilsf | cmarqu_: Err.. not really. But I don't like to talk about things like this as long as they aren't fixed yet. |
| 19:13.45 | cmarqu_ | Okay :) |
| 19:14.02 | cmarqu_ | Maybe it's Porsche, and we all get a car as a present... |
| 19:14.19 | nilsf | Nope, no company :) |
| 19:14.24 | florian | LOL |
| 19:34.27 | florian | mallum_: Another great improvement could be to make miniwave show the current essid. |
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| 20:03.46 | florian | jg: hello |
| 20:06.15 | jg | florian: hi. |
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| 20:26.58 | wolfspirit | is there a succesful binary for the zaurus yet? |
| 20:28.42 | florian | wolfspirit: The iPAQ binaries work fine... except some hardware specific config stuff. |
| 20:29.47 | wolfspirit | florian: I'm confused on how to attain software for this graphical environment.. it's x11.. so does any X11 app work for it, or does it have to be ported to work with the zaurus/gpe? |
| 20:31.06 | florian | wolfspirit: in theory all X11 apps should run - sure, you'll need to compile it for ARM. |
| 20:31.37 | florian | wolfspirit: The main problem is the limited screen size on PDAs. |
| 20:31.51 | florian | wolfspirit: as well as limited disk space. |
| 20:32.31 | wolfspirit | florian: that's one thing that always confused me about compiling.. not all projects have been set up by the developer to be compiled by certain processors.. correct? or can you compile any app under anything you wanted? such as powerpc for example.. or arm.. |
| 20:35.24 | florian | wolfspirit: sometimes you run into trouble, but most software is quite portable so that it will compile on several platforms. sure there are limitations and pitfalls (in particular when crosscompiling) |
| 20:36.07 | wolfspirit | florian: do you run gpe? |
| 20:36.31 | florian | wolfspirit: yes, sure :-) |
| 20:37.32 | wolfspirit | florian: (to many questions I know heheheh) what device do you have it on and.. : ) what types of popular X software are you running? |
| 20:38.36 | mallum_ | florian: yeah indeed. Is there an easy way of getting it ? |
| 20:39.41 | florian | wolfspirit: I use an iPaq H3870... except of the gpe apps i run dillo, gpsdrive and gpa |
| 20:40.37 | florian | wolfspirit: well... gpa needed some hacks... |
| 20:40.50 | wolfspirit | have you haerd of people getting xmms, mplayer, apps of this nature running? |
| 20:42.10 | florian | mallum_: I think there is a chance using an ioctl on the device... maybe pb_ knows. |
| 20:42.27 | mallum_ | florian: okey I ask mr google first |
| 20:42.41 | florian | parsing iwconfig output will be nasty.. |
| 20:42.49 | florian | s/will/would |
| 20:43.26 | mallum_ | yeah indeed. |
| 20:43.55 | florian | wolfspirit: yes, i saw a video running on an ipaq - but you need to scale it to screen size first - these pdas are not that fast. |
| 20:44.36 | wolfspirit | yeah.. I'd like a nice X11 pda that can run almost all the other apps, just at the smaller size |
| 20:45.16 | wolfspirit | I know the yopy is an X11 pda.. I wonder if someone has ever compiled it's apps over to the zaurus or ipaqs... |
| 20:47.36 | florian | wolfspirit: The binaries should work... the email client is a (slightly hacked) sylpheed. The source is available... the only problem with this stuff is that it is gtk1 |
| 20:48.34 | wolfspirit | ever hear of pico gui? |
| 20:49.26 | florian | yes, i know it a little bit... is nice small :-) |
| 20:59.52 | wolfspirit | florian: would you happen to know where at on the web is documentation for getting gpe on OZ? |
| 21:01.02 | mallum_ | florian: it seems SIOCGIWESSID is my friend |
