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| 09:28.10 | florian_kc | hi all |
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| 10:08.02 | florian_kc | hi mallum |
| 10:14.48 | mallum | hey florian_kc |
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| 13:14.38 | florian_kc | mallum: did you work on merging the gpe-conf info applets? |
| 13:29.24 | mallum | florian_kc: no :( |
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| 13:36.28 | florian_kc | mallum: ok, most stuff is easy... i sucessfully added battery and storage info in 10 minutes :-) |
| 13:36.44 | florian_kc | a network info tab is next... |
| 13:38.34 | florian_kc | paul: hello! |
| 13:38.58 | mallum | florian_kc: coolio dudeo :-) |
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| 13:58.41 | Tyg_working | morning, gentlemen |
| 13:58.54 | Tyg_working | Oh yeah.. you too, Mallum |
| 13:59.32 | Tyg_working | ;^) |
| 14:00.21 | Tyg_working | mallum: anything I can do to help debug that problem with minimo's bus error problem? |
| 14:02.35 | mallum | Tyg_working: could try redownloading it. Its a longshot but it could be a corrupted binary causing the bus error |
| 14:03.22 | Tyg_working | you're not seeing the same thing? |
| 14:03.43 | mallum | Tyg_working: I havn't yet had a chance to test |
| 14:03.50 | mallum | Tyg_working: should do in a bout an hour |
| 14:03.50 | Tyg_working | Ok. no prob |
| 14:03.53 | Tyg_working | I'll try it later |
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| 14:50.23 | Tyg_working | TyggerBob hopes for applications that can actually BE synced :) |
| 14:50.48 | DebolazIT | Hehe. |
| 14:51.10 | DebolazIT | What would be nice was some sorta synchronization framework that could be wedged somewhat easily (ie, not spending too much time coding) into anything. |
| 14:51.56 | DebolazIT | So you could use like a postgresql backend with multiple program frontends like palm, qpe/opie, and whatever we use in gpe. |
| 14:52.03 | DebolazIT | Yeah, I know, I'm dreaming. :P |
| 14:52.29 | Tyg_working | Nice idea, though |
| 14:59.19 | DebolazIT | What'd be required to interface with palm and opie would simply be to write a server that just modified the data to fit into the framework. You wouldn't need to touch the apps at all. |
| 15:01.30 | mallum | DebolazIT: see multisync |
| 15:01.32 | Tyg_working | Yep |
| 15:01.45 | mallum | DebolazIT: it does more or less what you describe |
| 15:03.24 | DebolazIT | mallum: Does it work on Windows or at least a non-gui system? |
| 15:03.47 | mallum | DebolazIT: dunno about windows, uses gtk |
| 15:04.36 | mallum | DebolazIT: I guess you could hack the gtk out of it so it was console only |
| 15:04.53 | DebolazIT | I get the distinct impression it requires gnome. |
| 15:05.34 | mallum | DebolazIT: yeah it does |
| 15:05.44 | mallum | DebolazIT: I dont think earlier versions did |
| 15:05.44 | DebolazIT | Eeek |
| 15:05.48 | mallum | Gnome rocks though |
| 15:05.54 | DebolazIT | Imho, there should be no gui to what I'm talking about. |
| 15:06.02 | DebolazIT | It should be a backend, and the gui should be just another frontend. |
| 15:06.26 | mallum | DebolazIT: I sure multisync could be hacked to be like that |
| 15:06.57 | DebolazIT | One could at least take some inspiration from it. |
| 15:07.06 | DebolazIT | Look at how the plugins deal with the different protocols. |
| 15:07.52 | mallum | DebolazIT: I think most people here would rather contribute to the existing multisync rather than reinvent the wheel |
| 15:09.12 | DebolazIT | The thing is, I don't contribute code to GPL applications. At least not significant amounts. |
| 15:09.25 | DebolazIT | And special exceptions. |
| 15:10.14 | mallum | ok, are you not a coder ? |
| 15:11.33 | DebolazIT | I prefer that my code is licensed under the BSD license or a similar (MIT or X11 license for instance) |
| 15:12.27 | DebolazIT | s/r \(/r license (/ |
| 15:14.50 | mallum | ok |
| 15:17.17 | mallum | DebolazIT: maybe hack the gpe side of the sync then, a deamon around the database |
| 15:18.05 | mallum | DebolazIT: that would speak over the network to a multisync plugin ( or other ) |
| 15:18.36 | mallum | DebolazIT: that could be any license you wanted |
| 15:19.02 | florian_kc | Hmm... iirc nothing enforces GPL in GPE. Only most existing apps are GPL... |
| 15:19.38 | mallum | florian_kc: yeah, also Im not sure if the multisync pluggins have to be GPL .. |
| 15:20.15 | DebolazIT | mallum: The GPL specifies that any code that depends on the GPL'ed code to function must be GPL licensed afaik. |
| 15:20.27 | florian_kc | mallum: hmm yes, that is another question... |
| 15:20.29 | DebolazIT | That would include plugins. |
| 15:20.35 | moray | depending on the circumstances, plain BSD is generally OK |
| 15:20.40 | moray | it's GPL-compatible |
| 15:20.46 | moray | (BSD with advertising clause isn't) |
| 15:21.04 | mallum | DebolazIT: so when you gonna start work ;-) ? |
| 15:21.34 | florian_kc | DebolazIT: This would make you become a real hero! :-) |
| 15:21.40 | DebolazIT | mallum: I'm gonna take a look out my window now. If I see any pigs fly by, I'll start right away. If not, I might have to wait. :) |
| 15:21.40 | mallum | indeed |
| 15:21.47 | mallum | DebolazIT: ha |
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| 15:23.46 | DebolazIT | I don't really enjoy coding like a coder should, but I've contributed code to projects like galileo (which never seems to get anywhere, so I guess it doesn't really count), silc, and similar entirely unknown projects. :) |
| 15:25.43 | DebolazIT | Hmm, they declared galileo dead. Too bad. |
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| 15:30.08 | mallum | switching machines ... |
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| 16:16.25 | TyggerBob | rehi mallum |
| 16:16.35 | mallum | hey TyggerBob |
| 16:24.11 | paul | hi florian |
| 16:24.27 | paul | (a belated hallo, sorry.... been busy) |
| 16:26.42 | florian_kc | paul: :-) these things happen... |
| 16:26.46 | paul | yep |
| 16:33.06 | mallum | TyggerBob: did you get a 'Read Error' when you untarred minimo ? |
| 16:41.58 | mallum | florian_kc: all ipaqs use alsa now by defualt right ? |
| 16:42.46 | florian_kc | mallum: yes i think so |
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| 16:43.39 | elephantum | ohayou gozaimasu =) |
| 16:43.45 | mallum | TyggerBob: minimo works on 3600 |
| 16:45.18 | florian_kc | elephantum: hello... eh? |
| 16:49.26 | mallum | florian_kc: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.4908.png looks really nice |
| 16:50.10 | mallum | florian_kc: eeek one thing though can you still do a gpe-conf battery and the battery tab will come up ? |
| 16:51.25 | florian_kc | mallum: hmm yes... the only nasty issue is that there will me moch more tabs. |
| 16:52.05 | florian_kc | mallum: at the moment yes... but this will change, but i'll tell you before i split it. |
| 16:52.16 | mallum | florian_kc: miniapms bubble attempts to launch the battery info applet |
| 16:54.48 | florian_kc | mallum: what about a small hack for some time: if gpe-info executable exists use this and gpe-conf otherwise. |
| 16:56.46 | mallum | florian_kc: I can change it no problem, but could gpe-info have a switch to select what tab is displayed on startup ? |
| 16:59.18 | florian_kc | mallum: yes, i'll add this. |
| 17:00.24 | mallum | coolio |
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| 17:15.29 | TyggerBob | mallum: no I didn't get a read error. Hmmm.. 3600's are SA, eh.. do you think it's an SA vs PXA thing? |
| 17:15.49 | mallum | TyggerBob: yeah could be, still could be the binary was corrupted |
| 17:16.02 | mallum | TyggerBob: I need to try again on my 5xxx |
| 17:16.07 | mallum | s/again// |
| 17:17.08 | TyggerBob | sorry.. haven't had time to try it again. |
| 17:17.15 | mallum | np |
| 17:31.31 | elephantum | oh. so here I`m again =) |
| 17:32.07 | elephantum | who can help building ipk for ipaq? |
| 17:32.44 | mallum | elephantum: there should be info on the wiki |
| 17:33.01 | florian_kc | elephantum: any particular trouble... |
| 17:33.03 | florian_kc | ? |
| 17:33.06 | florian_kc | eh |
| 17:33.18 | elephantum | florian_kc: yeah |
| 17:33.34 | elephantum | florian_kc: I`m trying to build gpe-contacts from cvs |
| 17:34.36 | florian_kc | elephantum: ok, building contacts itself works? |
| 17:35.00 | elephantum | florian_kc: yes. I build it on x86. and it even ran |
| 17:35.01 | elephantum | =) |
| 17:35.24 | elephantum | florian_kc: oh. I see. problem is that gpewidget was build for x86 |
| 17:35.44 | elephantum | florian_kc: but now I trying to build gpewidget for arm and get the following |
| 17:36.09 | elephantum | florian_kc: /skiff/local/arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lXrender |
| 17:37.10 | elephantum | I found location of libXrender in /skiff but I dont want to change Makefile. to make it compile |
| 17:37.19 | elephantum | I think it should be another way |
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| 17:37.31 | treke | mallum: ping |
| 17:38.06 | mallum | treke: pong |
| 17:38.19 | treke | sash mail you anything? |
| 17:38.26 | mallum | yeah |
| 17:38.35 | florian_kc | elephantum: have you set your PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/skiff/local/arm-linux/lib/pkgconfig ? |
| 17:38.37 | treke | get a chance to try the code out? |
| 17:38.43 | mallum | treke: but nothing that exciting |
| 17:38.50 | elephantum | florian_kc: damn. I forgot it. |
| 17:38.55 | elephantum | florian_kc: thanks |
| 17:39.12 | mallum | treke: its just an example basically use libqt binary to speak to the w100 |
| 17:39.30 | treke | ~ugh |
| 17:39.37 | | oh yes baby, one more time.. ugh.. ahh.. uhggggggh.. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 17:39.37 | mallum | treke: he has a got a kernel patch though that sets the w100 to 640x480 by defualt |
| 17:40.34 | treke | that's easy to do though :) |
| 17:40.51 | elephantum | florian_kc: version of gpe-contacts in 0.7.2 and in unstable is very old |
| 17:41.04 | mallum | treke: yeah his patch needs no fbset |
| 17:41.15 | elephantum | florian_kc: it even doesnt contain my patches for unicode |
| 17:42.25 | florian_kc | elephantum: oh hell... then let's create a fresh package :-) |
| 17:42.35 | treke | mallum: a shame about the w100 stuff though. |
| 17:42.56 | elephantum | florian_kc: sure. I`ll make it for myself and then can upload it |
| 17:42.57 | mallum | treke: he apparently has some of it reverse engineered but not all |
| 17:43.21 | mallum | treke: you could probably build a kdrive server from the info he given me |
| 17:43.29 | treke | is he implementing it through the libqt to slowly stub out a server? |
| 17:44.13 | mallum | dunno :/ |
| 17:44.21 | treke | ah well |
| 17:44.52 | elephantum | florian_kc: btw. who developed libschedule ? |
| 17:47.08 | elephantum | hmm... now "make ipkg" is freezed on "md5sum `cat familiar/dist.list` > gpe-contacts_0.15.batch" is it normal? |
| 17:47.11 | florian_kc | elephantum: ok, great... tell me if you run into trouble |
| 17:49.14 | florian_kc | elephantum: pb_ and mccarthy |
| 17:51.14 | elephantum | florian_kc: I pressed Ctrl-D on md5sum. make finished. but there is no *.ipk file |
| 17:52.16 | florian_kc | elephantum: yep... this is created later... what a strange problem. |
| 17:53.32 | elephantum | florian_kc: what info do you need? |
| 17:54.32 | elephantum | florian_kc: oh. |
| 17:54.41 | elephantum | florian_kc: I see it`s my problem again |
| 17:56.38 | florian_kc | elephantum: try again... this should not hang... |
| 17:58.05 | florian_kc | elephantum: let me try again... |
| 18:00.27 | elephantum | florian_kc: yeah it`s all ok now |
| 18:00.40 | elephantum | I forgot to add ipkg-utils into path |
| 18:03.23 | florian_kc | elephantum: ok cool... i don't have this xml tools installed :-/ |
| 18:03.34 | elephantum | florian_kc: wait a little |
| 18:03.43 | florian_kc | elephantum: ok |
| 18:04.06 | elephantum | florian_kc: what should I do with this ipk ? how can I upload it into unstable? |
| 18:05.54 | florian_kc | elephantum: You need to register an gpg/pgp key and sign the package... look at ipkg upload site (linked on left side at handhelds.org). |
| 18:06.21 | elephantum | florian_kc: oh. ok. rtfm =) |
| 18:06.41 | elephantum | florian_kc: then I wouldnt disturb any more for now |
| 18:07.18 | florian_kc | elephantum: then sign the batch file and tell ipkg-upload to push it to the feed. (this is easier with all these translation packages) |
| 18:07.40 | elephantum | florian_kc: ok |
| 18:07.50 | florian_kc | elephantum: you don't disturb :-) I only have to hurry... need to get some food before shops close. |
| 18:07.59 | florian_kc | elephantum: i'm back in one hour |
| 18:08.00 | elephantum | florian_kc: good luck |
| 18:08.11 | elephantum | florian_kc: ok =) |
| 18:08.51 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 18:54.39 | florian | re |
| 18:55.13 | elephantum | florian: =) |
| 18:55.36 | florian | at least more or less... will get some food |
| 19:00.17 | elephantum | florian: =)) |
| 19:01.20 | elephantum | is there analog of debian locales package in familiar ? |
| 19:05.53 | moray | there are lots of separate locale packages (because of space restrictions) |
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| 19:11.05 | elephantum | moray: what is naming pattern of this packages? |
| 19:11.59 | moray | http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/result.phtml?query=locale-base&searchtype=package§ion= |
| 19:12.43 | elephantum | moray: thank you |
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| 19:14.41 | pb_ | hi all |
| 19:15.16 | moray | evening pb_ |
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| 19:21.27 | rwilliam | hey pb_.. got the solution to that memory error I was having yesterday |
| 19:21.35 | pb_ | aha |
| 19:21.58 | rwilliam | somehow part of the root partition was flagged as read only.. |
| 19:22.11 | rwilliam | and it would come up as a memory error when i tried to flash it |
| 19:22.17 | elephantum | pb_: hi |
| 19:22.32 | pb_ | ah, cool. yes, that would explain it. |
| 19:26.06 | alexyz98 | hi, I use GPE provided with Familiar ver. 0.6.1. How can I add a link to a program in PIM or Program area? |
| 19:27.06 | pb_ | crumbs, 0.6.1? Um, I think that version uses /usr/lib/menu. |
| 19:29.02 | alexyz98 | I tryed to place a reference under /usr/lib/menu, but I get only an unworking item in the main menu |
| 19:29.47 | pb_ | I don't really remember much about how that stuff works. I recommend you upgrade to a newer version and try again. |
| 19:30.26 | alexyz98 | thanks pb_ |
| 19:35.04 | florian | Maybe there is something in .xsession-errors after this entry fails. |
| 19:35.12 | florian | pb_: evening... btw |
| 19:35.45 | pb_ | evening florian |
| 19:36.33 | alexyz98 | ok, I will try to read that file! tnx |
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| 21:48.51 | abhishek | am idoing something or is it a bug that my pda autosuspends with or without activity? |
| 21:48.57 | abhishek | *i doing |
| 21:50.30 | pb_ | abhishek: what version of the xserver do you have? |
| 21:51.18 | abhishek | im using .7.2 bootgpe |
| 21:51.34 | pb_ | did you upgrade to the latest packages from the feed? |
| 21:52.34 | abhishek | i upgraded kernel, nothing else |
| 21:52.46 | pb_ | That would be the problem. |
| 21:53.00 | pb_ | You need to upgrade to all the latest bits from 0.7.2 |
| 21:54.38 | abhishek | ah, k. thanks |
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| 22:08.12 | elephantum | pb_: what is year_view.c in gpe-calendar? |
| 22:08.15 | abhishek | hm, that seems to have nuked ohci-modules and atmel |
| 22:10.47 | pb_ | elephantum: an old module that provided a year-at-a-time view. |
| 22:11.01 | elephantum | pb_: woah... so it coud be deleted? |
| 22:11.26 | pb_ | I guess. |
| 22:11.26 | pb_ | Is it offending you? |
| 22:11.33 | elephantum | pb_: I want to do evolution-like day_view. and currently working on it |
| 22:11.42 | elephantum | pb_: at the beginnig ) |
| 22:12.42 | pb_ | Oh right, that'd be cool. |
| 22:12.52 | elephantum | pb_: yeah, and do you know who is working at gpe-mail that is in cvs ? |
| 22:13.31 | pb_ | You might like to look back in the cvs history to see how the day-view used to work. The current CList based thing is probably not a very good example. |
| 22:13.37 | pb_ | Nobody is really working on gpe-mail. It's dead. |
| 22:14.22 | elephantum | pb_: yes. I`ll rewrite it from scratch. it will use my own container =) |
| 22:14.34 | pb_ | your own container? eleet. |
| 22:14.48 | elephantum | pb_: =) simple one. like fixed |
| 22:14.49 | treke | what is it with mail clients |
| 22:14.57 | elephantum | but fixed in only one direction |
| 22:15.01 | pb_ | elephantum: aha :-) |
| 22:15.08 | pb_ | treke: wish I knew. |
| 22:15.30 | abhishek | is it possible to change the keyboard used at the login and locked screens |
| 22:15.31 | treke | opie has 3 mail clients |
| 22:15.40 | treke | gpe has one dead one |
| 22:15.44 | treke | and someone writing a new one |
| 22:15.47 | elephantum | treke: funny =( |
| 22:15.58 | pb_ | treke: mm. sounds like opie got the better deal. |
| 22:16.08 | elephantum | let`s use opie =) |
| 22:16.08 | treke | pb_: ah but two of opies suck. |
| 22:16.24 | treke | Something about mail clients makes people write them and then run in terror |
| 22:16.26 | pb_ | treke: right, but Max describes the third one as being the "ultimate" mail client, or something like that. |
| 22:16.38 | elephantum | =) |
| 22:16.42 | pb_ | so, presumably that one makes up for the other two |
| 22:16.43 | treke | ultimate is german for mostly works |
| 22:16.50 | pb_ | heh |
| 22:17.07 | treke | though I must admit, that whole libetpan thing seems to work pretty well |
| 22:17.21 | Tyg_working | Elephantum: may I make a request for your mail client? |
| 22:17.31 | abhishek | the thing i like about gpe is the design. seems a lot more flexible. i think opie definetly wins on apps for now |
| 22:18.09 | elephantum | Tyg_working: ergh... I`m not working on mail client... I`m just planning in far future |
| 22:18.38 | treke | pb_: mail client library, does mbox, nntp, pop, imap, etc |
| 22:18.45 | pb_ | yah, I just found its webpage. |
| 22:19.08 | abhishek | gpe running on fd.o xserver with compositing would be really cool, at least for screenshots |
| 22:19.29 | treke | mallum took a couple |
| 22:19.33 | Tyg_working | I meant for when you get to it.. my only request is SMTP authentication with the option of using a different ID for the smtpauth than is used for the pop3 authentication. |
| 22:19.38 | pb_ | abhishek: the gpe bits in unstable will do that. |
| 22:20.06 | pb_ | well, the X bits rather. gpe itself doesn't actually get involved at all. |
| 22:20.07 | elephantum | Tyg_working: sure. I`m in the same situation |
| 22:20.50 | abhishek | nice |
| 22:20.58 | abhishek | how usable is compositing on the ipaq? |
| 22:21.43 | Tyg_working | I'm running it on my 5455 and it's very useable. Not quite as zippy as it was without it, but it sure looks cool :) |
| 22:21.57 | abhishek | on my desktop it more or less frezes everything. hence the purpose of xcompmgr&&import -window root quickgrabthis.png&&pkill -9 compmgr |
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| 23:02.12 | mallum | abhishek: speed is acceptable on the ipaq ( note it has a special compositing manager to speed things up a bit for its window management style ), it could be a bit faster though |
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