| 00:07.37 | jg_ | pb_: still here? |
| 00:07.42 | pb_ | jg_: yep |
| 00:07.44 | jg_ | Ipkg upgrade does nothing... |
| 00:08.38 | pb_ | What does "ipkg status kernel" show? |
| 00:08.55 | jg_ | shows -hh30 |
| 00:09.06 | pb_ | okay, how about "ipkg info kernel"? |
| 00:10.36 | jg_ | shows hh33, hh30, hh25b, hh25 |
| 00:11.13 | pb_ | mm. in that case, I'd have expected "ipkg upgrade" to install the new one. I wonder what's wrong there. |
| 00:11.22 | pb_ | maybe you could try ipkg -V 2 upgrade |
| 00:14.10 | jg_ | now it is working... Sigh..... |
| 00:14.15 | jg_ | d |
| 00:14.40 | pb_ | oh well. sounds like an issue for jamey. |
| 00:15.01 | jg_ | one that may be "interesting" to reproduce... |
| 00:16.15 | jg_ | does the internal wireless work yet? |
| 00:16.21 | jg_ | pb_: |
| 00:16.30 | pb_ | jg_: yep |
| 00:16.40 | jg_ | what do I do to get it working? |
| 00:17.01 | pb_ | it's a little bit fiddly, because it doesn't currently interact properly with any of the configuration files or utilities. |
| 00:17.08 | jg_ | ah, so. |
| 00:17.11 | pb_ | you'll need to make a little script with the appropriate commands in. |
| 00:17.13 | pb_ | something like: |
| 00:17.27 | pb_ | iwconfig wlan0 mode managed essid "my essid" key 1234567890 |
| 00:17.41 | pb_ | if you don't do wep, leave off the "key..." bit. |
| 00:18.01 | jg_ | I want any essid..... |
| 00:18.13 | pb_ | ok, just put "essid any". |
| 00:18.15 | jg_ | where would I put such a script? |
| 00:19.00 | pb_ | in /etc/rc2.d would be a good place. |
| 00:19.10 | pb_ | assuming you want the wireless to come up at boot time. |
| 00:19.55 | pb_ | you probably want to end the script with "dhcpcd wlan0 &" so it will start looking for a dhcp lease. |
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| 00:26.43 | mallum | pb_: new debian conf file let you set up wireless /etc/network/interfaces for non pcmcia wireless cards - dunno if the same thing could be used here |
| 00:27.25 | pb_ | yah, possibly. it's a bit of a crock that pcmcia and non-pcmcia interfaces need to be configured separately, though. |
| 00:28.22 | pb_ | we need to come up with some kind of credible power management plan for h5000 wifi as well. I'm not quite sure how that should work. |
| 00:28.46 | jg_ | pb_: ok, script seems to work.... |
| 00:28.56 | jg_ | it is /sbin/dhcpcd btw. |
| 00:28.56 | pb_ | jg_: ah, that's good. |
| 00:29.02 | pb_ | oh, right, yes. |
| 00:30.35 | jg_ | good enough for now. |
| 00:30.41 | jg_ | What apps should I install for demo purposes? |
| 00:30.57 | jg_ | anything I need to do to get a fixed X server? |
| 00:31.04 | mallum | bedtime for, goodnight all |
| 00:31.12 | jg_ | mallum: good night. |
| 00:31.20 | pb_ | I think the xserver in 0.7.2 should be ok. are you having problems with it? |
| 00:32.09 | jg_ | no, just checking., |
| 00:32.15 | jg_ | So what goodies should I install? |
| 00:32.34 | jg_ | any problems left with the screen saver? |
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| 00:33.08 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 00:33.16 | jg_ | jsmanrique: hi. |
| 00:33.28 | jsmanrique | long time without visiting the channel |
| 00:33.39 | jsmanrique | jg_: hi Jim |
| 00:33.42 | jg_ | jsmanrique: welcome back... |
| 00:33.45 | jsmanrique | any news? |
| 00:33.54 | jsmanrique | I've seen something about minimo |
| 00:34.17 | jg_ | mallum's been working on getting it running on the iPAQ. It looks seriously promising. |
| 00:34.25 | jsmanrique | jg_: when an HP calculator with Linux inside? :-) |
| 00:34.42 | jg_ | He also has the new studly drop shadows and translucent windows stuff running. |
| 00:35.01 | jg_ | pb_: any suggestions on what I should install for demo purposes?> |
| 00:35.06 | pb_ | jg_: no, I think the screensaver extension is working properly now. |
| 00:35.15 | jsmanrique | jg_: wow! shadows and translucent windows! |
| 00:35.20 | jg_ | jsmanrique: yes. |
| 00:35.21 | pb_ | jg_: are you demoing to any particular crowd, or just generally? |
| 00:35.42 | jg_ | pb_: to a particular crowd, maybe, if the topic comes up. |
| 00:35.48 | jg_ | pb_: can't say who. |
| 00:36.06 | jsmanrique | I am still working on handhelds for students project |
| 00:36.38 | jsmanrique | and I hope having some time this Christmas time for some tests with Zaurus.. |
| 00:36.44 | pb_ | jg_: do they have any special areas of interest? networking types might find jamey's SIP stuff entertaining, for example. |
| 00:36.46 | jsmanrique | SL5500 |
| 00:37.21 | jg_ | pb_: probably not directly of interest. |
| 00:37.22 | pb_ | it's a shame that minimo doesn't seem to be working properly yet, otherwise that'd make a good demo. |
| 00:37.25 | jsmanrique | and I am very pleased with my brand new G4 12" iBook |
| 00:38.00 | jsmanrique | sad to see that Spanish Translation team hasn't made too much for GPE yet |
| 00:38.05 | jg_ | jsmanrique: http://handhelds.org/scap/land.27670.png has a touch of the drop shadow stuff.... |
| 00:38.14 | jg_ | jsmanrique: feel free to help. |
| 00:38.21 | pb_ | and of course Russ was raving about RoadMap the other day, though I'm not sure if it will do anything useful without gps hardware. |
| 00:38.33 | jg_ | pb_: and I'll be indoors. |
| 00:39.00 | jsmanrique | jg_: I did, but nothing hasn't been released, and my work maybe out of date |
| 00:39.50 | jsmanrique | jg_: I am focused in new hp49g+, studies and some projects |
| 00:40.00 | pb_ | jg_: nothing else really leaps to mind, to be honest. I'll let you know if I think of anything. |
| 00:40.27 | jsmanrique | jg_: after months helping in hp49g+ betatesting and docs translations testing.. its hardware is too poor.. |
| 00:42.03 | jsmanrique | there is a embedded hardware manufacturer working in a new product in Spain |
| 00:42.27 | jsmanrique | I am convincing him about using GPE in his LiNUX product |
| 00:43.07 | jsmanrique | I am working now at my University in a marketing study about embedded devices for students |
| 00:43.52 | jsmanrique | so I hope testing GPE iPAQ terminal capabilities next months |
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| 09:00.30 | florian_kc | hi all |
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| 14:39.53 | florian_kc | hi pb_ |
| 14:40.55 | pb_ | hi florian_kc |
| 14:42.16 | Debolaz | hi both |
| 14:42.40 | florian_kc | Debolaz: hi |
| 14:44.14 | mallum | heeeeeeeeellllllooooooooo |
| 14:44.31 | mallum | Debolaz: no moans today ? |
| 14:46.24 | florian_kc | hey mallum |
| 14:46.31 | Debolaz | No, because the toolchain finally works so I can fix stuff on my system myself. :) |
| 14:47.36 | mallum | Debolaz: woohoo, thats the spirit ! |
| 14:47.49 | mallum | Debolaz: just make sure you share them back again :-) |
| 14:48.21 | Debolaz | Suuure :) |
| 14:51.27 | mallum | Oh, I think I uploaded a fixed minimo to unstable |
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| 15:37.24 | TyggerBob | 'morning all |
| 15:40.35 | mallum_ | hey TyggerBob |
| 15:40.48 | mallum_ | TyggerBob: I uploaded a hopefully fix minimo this morning |
| 15:41.54 | TyggerBob | Cool |
| 15:42.04 | TyggerBob | Is it in Unstable? |
| 15:42.11 | mallum_ | yessir |
| 15:42.20 | TyggerBob | Ok.. I'll give it a shot post haste :) |
| 15:42.40 | TyggerBob | Cuz I luv Dillo and all, but.. well.. it blows |
| 15:42.59 | TyggerBob | and thats DILLO! not .... |
| 15:43.07 | mallum_ | TyggerBob: I think minimo is actually faster too |
| 15:43.30 | mallum_ | TyggerBob: I need to start hacking a nicer front end for it though |
| 15:45.57 | mallum_ | TyggerBob: and the libxt and libstc++ deps are spurious, I dont think there needed |
| 15:46.17 | mallum_ | TyggerBob: oh and the cryto stuff is broken on arm ( though I think theres patches now to fix that ) |
| 15:47.48 | TyggerBob | Hmmm.. dnld doesn't work from ipkgfind |
| 15:49.55 | TyggerBob | Mallum: link for minimo is wrong.. |
| 15:50.16 | TyggerBob | should be http://www.handhelds.org/feeds/unstable/mini... |
| 15:50.31 | TyggerBob | there seems to be an extra familiar and packages in there |
| 15:51.05 | mallum_ | TyggerBob: I never posted a link ?? |
| 15:51.21 | TyggerBob | Is it not the 12 Dec version? |
| 15:51.38 | mallum_ | yeah, what link do you mean ? |
| 15:51.48 | mallum_ | I just uploaded it via ipkg-upload |
| 15:52.01 | TyggerBob | at www.hh.org, on the left, it shows up in the new uploads list, but the link is wrong |
| 15:52.18 | TyggerBob | jamey: is that of interest to you? |
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| 16:00.28 | TyggerBob | Mallum: it works |
| 16:00.39 | mallum_ | TyggerBob: woot :-) |
| 16:00.43 | TyggerBob | Can't use it, the address screen is off the page, but it works |
| 16:00.53 | mallum_ | TyggerBob: must tell jg so he can demo |
| 16:01.22 | TyggerBob | ok |
| 16:01.36 | TyggerBob | you're right about new frontend, though. |
| 16:01.45 | TyggerBob | it'd be nice to be able to actually enter a url :) |
| 16:02.31 | TyggerBob | turned it on it side.. got a little more to enter into. . |
| 16:02.34 | TyggerBob | VERY zippy |
| 16:02.52 | mallum_ | yeah, I'll make some quick patches to the source to improve the interface a litte |
| 16:03.11 | mallum_ | I've only used it on c7x0's which have 640x480 displays |
| 16:03.17 | TyggerBob | Ahhh |
| 16:03.47 | TyggerBob | Even if the address bar was on a new line, flush left, that would be helpful. |
| 16:03.57 | mallum_ | the 760 also has 128Mb of flash so size is non issue |
| 16:04.10 | TyggerBob | I'm a portrait guy, myself.. the landscape keyboard takes up too much real estate |
| 16:04.38 | TyggerBob | Can't wait till someone writes microkeyboard modules for pxa's. I'll be a very happy camper |
| 16:04.46 | TyggerBob | not that I'm moaning or anything ;) |
| 16:06.01 | mallum_ | np. the interface does need some work |
| 16:06.33 | TyggerBob | thanks for the work you've done it so far.. looking good.. |
| 16:07.04 | TyggerBob | Hmmmm.. just thought of a way to make things easier for me.. |
| 16:07.25 | TyggerBob | I can drop all this on a 16mb CF card that I have and link it in from there. |
| 16:07.38 | TyggerBob | that way I don't have to strip out all my pentest tools. |
| 16:08.05 | TyggerBob | I probably won't need a pcmcia ethernet card for those times I'm using mozilla |
| 16:08.20 | TyggerBob | sorry.. just working through something out loud |
| 16:08.28 | mallum_ | ;-) |
| 16:10.03 | TyggerBob | hmmm.. I should run and finish up my newsletter (editor for the Multiple Birth Family Association in all my spare time.) |
| 16:10.12 | TyggerBob | it has to go to the printers today |
| 16:10.35 | TyggerBob | Thanks.. I'll check back in later.. |
| 16:10.37 | TyggerBob | have a good one |
| 16:29.42 | mallum_ | tigert: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.11232.png |
| 16:29.55 | mallum_ | tigert: and http://handhelds.org/scap/port.11207.png |
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| 17:13.53 | TyggerBob | rehi |
| 17:35.28 | florian_kc | bbl |
| 17:35.39 | TyggerBob | later |
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| 18:27.26 | mallum_ | hey jg_ |
| 18:27.35 | mallum_ | jg_: there is a fixed minimo in unstable |
| 18:30.32 | jg_ | mallum_: thanks. |
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| 19:07.09 | jg_ | mallum_: minimo is running for me.... |
| 19:07.41 | jg_ | mallum_: needs the correct style sheet and the UI tuning, so some files are missing from the package, I believe. |
| 19:08.10 | jg_ | mallum_: this is judging from http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/screenshots.html versus what I see on my screen. |
| 19:08.34 | jg_ | mallum_: congratulations, in any case!!!!!!! |
| 19:14.42 | mallum_ | jg_: Its the guys that have done all the hacking on it that need congratulating :-) |
| 19:15.06 | mallum_ | jg_: Yeah I know about th interface, I'll tweak it a bit for ipaq displays |
| 19:19.26 | herzi | cmarqu_: would you recommend http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3064653589&category=38331 |
| 19:23.25 | pb_ | hello cmarqu_ |
| 19:23.33 | cmarqu_ | herzi: Not sure. I haven't followed prices. |
| 19:23.41 | cmarqu_ | Hi pb_, hi guys |
| 19:25.34 | pb_ | cmarqu_: ah, cool. |
| 19:26.53 | pb_ | Is that in Stuttgart still, or do you need to move house? |
| 19:27.23 | cmarqu_ | pb_: The opposite end of Stuttgart (at the airport). I might move since it's a longish drive each day. |
| 19:29.01 | pb_ | Ah right. |
| 19:29.30 | herzi | cmarqu_: ich ueberlege grade, ob ich diesen monat noch 400 eur dafür übrig habe |
| 19:30.00 | luis | herzi: kial vi germane parolas cxi tie? |
| 19:30.12 | herzi | luis: :) |
| 19:37.08 | luis | if anyone could get me a traceroute output this more that 32 hops i'd appreciate :) |
| 19:46.42 | mallum_ | pb_: do you think you'll get a chance over the weekend to package up the xcomposite libs ? |
| 19:47.11 | pb_ | I hope so, yes. I need to fix a h5400-audio bug first, though. |
| 19:48.08 | mallum_ | pb_: cool that'd be great |
| 19:54.42 | jg_ | mallum_: it isn't just the GTK part that needs tweaking, their web page talks about having a small screen optimized style sheet.... |
| 19:59.19 | mallum_ | jg_: I never tried that |
| 20:01.17 | mallum_ | jg_: well have to figure out how to integrate it |
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| 20:09.27 | mallum_ | jg_: looking at whats in that xpi file, it seems it could be tweaked a lot more for the ipaq |
| 20:09.44 | mallum_ | jg_: for example it looks like it only expects a 176pix width |
| 20:14.10 | mallum_ | jg_: also see 5th que down here : http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/12/10/1812211&mode=thread&tid=82&tid=90&pagenum=2 |
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| 20:50.39 | florian | re |
| 20:57.24 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 20:58.20 | florian | hi pb_ |
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