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| 00:55.42 | TyggerBob | 'lo all |
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| 02:10.02 | ricmm | hey what about a nice GPE video player |
| 02:10.05 | ricmm | is there one out? |
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| 03:14.37 | TyggerBob | Hi |
| 03:18.23 | TyggerBob | Anyone here use Greader much? |
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| 08:25.39 | florian | hi all |
| 08:33.27 | Debolaz | ho |
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| 09:42.08 | florian | hi PaxAnima, hi mallum |
| 09:42.18 | mallum | heylo florian |
| 09:50.52 | PaxAnima | hi, florian |
| 10:59.54 | florian | bbl |
| 13:02.48 | florian_kc | re |
| 13:06.25 | mallum | hey florian_kc |
| 13:06.56 | mallum | florian_kc: whats the correct way to launch from the cmd line, the battery info applet and the date/time setting applet ? |
| 13:15.19 | florian_kc | mallum: gpe-conf time / battery |
| 13:23.54 | mallum | florian_kc: cool thx |
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| 14:23.14 | Tygger_Bob | Mornin all |
| 14:24.20 | florian_kc | hi Tygger_Bob |
| 14:24.48 | Tygger_Bob | Heya Florian |
| 14:28.11 | Debolaz | Hey Tygger. |
| 14:28.19 | Tygger_Bob | Heya Debolaz |
| 14:28.24 | Tygger_Bob | What's up this AM? |
| 14:29.14 | florian_kc | Naty business work :-/ |
| 14:29.15 | Debolaz | Preparing for applying cryptoloop patch to 2.4.19 and extracting cast6 support from 2.6 |
| 14:29.36 | florian_kc | eh nasty! |
| 14:33.28 | mallum_ | Hey Tygger_Bob |
| 14:34.16 | Tygger_Bob | Heya Mallum |
| 14:34.25 | Tygger_Bob | Florian: Me too |
| 14:34.41 | Tygger_Bob | adding a bunch of new diagrams to my Net A |
| 14:36.52 | Tygger_Bob | Debolaz: let me know how that goes. |
| 14:37.09 | Debolaz | Tygger_Bob: Will do. |
| 14:37.24 | Debolaz | florian_kc: Well, I want crypto filesystems on my ipaq :) |
| 14:39.02 | florian_kc | Debolaz: Did you look at the cryptloop stuff for kernel 2.4? It works nice on x86 and don't know why this shouldn't work on iPaq. |
| 14:39.35 | Debolaz | florian_kc: That is what I'm looking at. |
| 14:39.49 | florian_kc | Debolaz: Looks like we'd need a small dockapp to mount/unmount this :-) |
| 14:40.59 | Tygger_Bob | Hey you guys: at the risk of sounding like a "whiney HH.org visitor" what IS the status of MMC and SD? |
| 14:41.42 | Tygger_Bob | I keep seeing posts in the mailing lists about people trying it, and getting some error messages, but I can't even get those. |
| 14:43.00 | florian_kc | Tygger_Bob: On which device? |
| 14:43.09 | Tygger_Bob | it's in the 5400 port list |
| 14:44.12 | Tygger_Bob | with HH## |
| 14:44.15 | Tygger_Bob | oops |
| 14:44.17 | Tygger_Bob | HH33 |
| 14:44.54 | Tygger_Bob | I thought it wasn't there at all yet. |
| 14:45.55 | Debolaz | It's apparently there, it just doesn't work. |
| 14:46.19 | Tygger_Bob | Ahhh |
| 14:46.21 | Tygger_Bob | ok |
| 14:46.29 | florian_kc | Yes, this is mostly taken and adapted from a different device... but imho not finished. |
| 14:46.50 | Tygger_Bob | I just can't even seem to find these error messages when I try either my SD or MMC cards |
| 14:46.53 | Tygger_Bob | no biggy |
| 14:47.47 | florian_kc | I feat it will take some days before i can text hh33 on our h5550 :-/ |
| 14:48.56 | Debolaz | That's what I'm going to use cryptoloop on btw. |
| 14:49.27 | Tygger_Bob | Florian: ? |
| 14:50.56 | florian_kc | Tygger_Bob: Let's say the device is used for other stuff... |
| 14:51.07 | Tygger_Bob | Ahh.. just didn't understand what you message said |
| 14:51.22 | Tygger_Bob | were your fingers over one on the keyboard? |
| 14:52.51 | florian_kc | ah, ok... i see why :-/ s/text/test && s/feat/fear |
| 14:54.31 | Tygger_Bob | Ahh.. now that makes sense |
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| 14:55.29 | Tygger_Bob | Mornin, jg |
| 14:56.21 | Debolaz | Something I'm concerned about with cryptoloop which I've not yet looked at, is how the key is stored in ram. I suspect since it's a piece of GPL software, it won't employ proper security measures against hardware analysis. |
| 15:00.33 | florian_kc | That's possible... but protecting against hardware analysis is really very tricky. |
| 15:02.33 | mallum_ | jg_: mornin, there is a minimo ipk in unstable |
| 15:02.42 | mallum_ | jg_: make sure you've got plenty of flash free |
| 15:02.50 | Debolaz | florian_kc: One thing that helps a lot is simply flipping the key bits every second. |
| 15:02.59 | Debolaz | florian_kc: To prevent it from being stored in ram after power down. |
| 15:05.27 | florian_kc | Debolaz: This would be a cool patch if nothing similar is implemented... and you'd need to make sure to get notified on a suspend. |
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| 15:16.18 | jg_ | mallum: neat; I'll take it for a testdrive as soon as I can. I have a 5400, so should be fine on flash (we don't typically have any units with less than 32 meg. |
| 15:17.32 | mallum_ | jg_: yeah its goona use 12mb uncompressed |
| 15:17.40 | jg_ | NP. |
| 15:18.54 | mallum_ | and I havn't tested the ipkg yet, not having an ipaq with enough free flash currently |
| 15:19.11 | mallum_ | I guess I realy should flash my 5xxx |
| 15:20.40 | Tygger_Bob | Hmm.. 12MB.. it'll fit nicely in that extra 16MB bank of flash on the 5450 |
| 15:20.50 | Tygger_Bob | (if it wasn't already jammed with stuff :) ) |
| 15:24.21 | mallum_ | Tygger_Bob: please to try. It maybe be still largish but performance is excellent |
| 15:29.59 | Tygger_Bob | I'll have to rip out all my pentest/VA tools :) |
| 15:30.08 | Tygger_Bob | no problem. I can always put them back on when I need them. |
| 15:32.46 | mallum_ | what is pentest ? |
| 15:33.51 | Tygger_Bob | Penetration testing.. I'm a security consultant by day, mild mannered linux wannabe by night |
| 15:34.24 | mallum_ | ok |
| 15:34.50 | mallum_ | Tygger_Bob: It would be cool to make a fam image aimed at secruity testing etc |
| 15:35.55 | Tygger_Bob | Actually gonna wow them with my ipaq running nessus :) |
| 15:36.08 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 15:36.09 | Tygger_Bob | I have an engagement first week of Jan |
| 15:36.28 | Tygger_Bob | I was able to cross-compile 2.09 and it actually works :) |
| 15:36.42 | Tygger_Bob | command line only, but what the heck. |
| 15:36.58 | Tygger_Bob | I can also use NessusWx on my xp box to connect to it :) |
| 15:37.36 | florian_kc | Tygger_Bob: This sounds very cool... did you create a package of it? |
| 15:37.53 | Tygger_Bob | not yet.. the cross-compile was.. lets say.. messy |
| 15:38.20 | Tygger_Bob | needed to create symlinks for some hard-coded directories.. I'm still kinda new at the xcompile thing |
| 15:38.25 | florian_kc | i see... maybe it's easier doing this natively. |
| 15:38.39 | Tygger_Bob | I would be, if you had root. |
| 15:39.02 | Tygger_Bob | I tried doing it on the skiffs, but you need to installed the nessus-libraries to continue with the nasl and core compiles. |
| 15:39.51 | Tygger_Bob | Tried specifying them after using DEST-DIR to install in my home dir, but couldn't get that to work either. |
| 15:40.29 | Tygger_Bob | Like I said, though. the compile was a no brainer.. worked the first time. |
| 15:40.50 | Tygger_Bob | I just had to create links to /usr/local/arm/.. for stuff afterwards |
| 15:41.04 | Tygger_Bob | a native compile wouldn't have that problem. |
| 15:42.45 | Tygger_Bob | Actually, I'm sure that if I really knew what I was doing, I wouldn't have that problem either... ;) |
| 15:43.07 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 15:44.51 | Tygger_Bob | dumb tar questions.. I know you can do a tar zxvf can you do a tar zcvf? |
| 15:45.58 | Tygger_Bob | Hmmm.. seems to be working |
| 15:47.07 | Tygger_Bob | I got snort compiled too, eh? |
| 15:51.16 | Tygger_Bob | It's the nessus plugins that take up all the space |
| 15:51.40 | florian_kc | Tygger_Bob: Looks like you are turning your iPAQ into a swiss army knife of network security :-) |
| 15:52.29 | Tygger_Bob | the only problem I have now is that there's no where to store the logs/results of the apps, because all the flash is JAMMED full :) |
| 15:52.48 | Tygger_Bob | that's where the 128MB SD card I have will come in, once that's sorted out |
| 15:53.19 | Tygger_Bob | the iPAQ is so much more useful now with Linux than it ever was as a PocketPC |
| 15:54.20 | florian_kc | hehe, yes... no chance to get that many good network tools for PocketPC... |
| 15:54.55 | Tygger_Bob | Nope.. |
| 15:55.33 | Tygger_Bob | You know what ibot needs, is a counter that tracks how many times people come in and ask about MMC and SD support. :) |
| 15:57.48 | florian_kc | *gg* |
| 15:58.50 | Tygger_Bob | Mallum: you around? |
| 16:00.57 | mallum_ | yep |
| 16:01.05 | mallum_ | just on mallum_ machine |
| 16:01.50 | Tygger_Bob | Ahhh |
| 16:02.13 | Tygger_Bob | where does minimo install by default? /usr/local/? or /usr/ |
| 16:03.26 | mallum_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.47 | Tygger_Bob | Ok |
| 16:04.03 | Tygger_Bob | thanks |
| 16:04.27 | mallum_ | Tygger_Bob: you could install the ipkg contents by hand. but make sure you edit /usr/bin/minimo script so LD_LIBRARY_PATH points at /usr/local/lib/mozilla-minimo |
| 16:05.08 | Tygger_Bob | I just set up a new dest in ipkg.conf |
| 16:05.11 | Tygger_Bob | should be ok |
| 16:07.23 | Tygger_Bob | hmm.. do you need to restart something after making changes to ipkg.conf? |
| 16:07.36 | Tygger_Bob | for the new dest to take effect? |
| 16:11.59 | mallum_ | Im not sure |
| 16:12.24 | mallum_ | it would probably be safer to dl the package and ar -x it |
| 16:19.23 | mallum_ | jg_: do you know if pb packaged up the composite / xfixes / damage libs ? |
| 16:27.10 | jg_ | mallum_: no clue. |
| 16:31.32 | Tygger_Bob | Mallum: where might one find libXt.so.6? |
| 16:32.04 | Tygger_Bob | belay that |
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| 16:35.10 | mallum_ | Tygger_Bob: doh, I should add that to its deps .... |
| 16:42.59 | Tygger_Bob | Having some problems with libstdc++.so.5 too.. where does that hide.. I found libXt.so.6 |
| 16:44.02 | mallum_ | there should be an ipkg of that, I did check that dep Im sure |
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| 17:47.39 | mallum_ | Tygger_Bob: did you have any luck with it ? |
| 17:55.42 | florian_kc | bbl |
| 18:02.27 | Tygger_Bob | libstdc++.so.5 doesn't seem to be in any ipks |
| 18:02.47 | Tygger_Bob | sorry.. had to help my wife wrap christmas presents to send in the mail |
| 18:02.49 | Tygger_Bob | back now |
| 18:03.57 | Tygger_Bob | should I just copy the .so.3 .so.5? |
| 18:07.53 | mallum_ | Tygger_Bob: http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=libstdc%2B%2B5&official=&format= |
| 18:10.19 | Tygger_Bob | ahhh.. no file list.. that's why I didn't find it. |
| 18:16.33 | Tygger_Bob | Mallum_: not so good: |
| 18:16.34 | Tygger_Bob | ~ # minimo |
| 18:16.35 | Tygger_Bob | new_gtk_browser |
| 18:16.35 | Tygger_Bob | menu bar |
| 18:16.35 | Tygger_Bob | tool bar |
| 18:16.35 | Tygger_Bob | location bar |
| 18:16.36 | Tygger_Bob | status bar |
| 18:16.38 | Tygger_Bob | SIGSEGV |
| 18:20.15 | mallum_ | ouch |
| 18:21.02 | mallum_ | can you strace it or get a backtrace ? |
| 18:21.33 | mallum_ | If it gets that far, thats normally a good sign |
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| 18:30.26 | Tygger_Bob | mallum_: not being a 'stracer'.. what do you want to see? |
| 18:30.56 | mallum_ | Tygger_Bob: a clue to whats up. I've only tested it on my arm machine and it was fine |
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| 18:31.12 | florian | re |
| 18:31.15 | Tygger_Bob | re |
| 18:31.26 | mallum_ | Tygger_Bob: though it could be some c++'ism to do with the libstdc++ which I dont understand |
| 18:31.43 | Tygger_Bob | getpid() = 32 |
| 18:31.43 | Tygger_Bob | rt_sigaction(SIG_0, {0x402f08e0, [], 0x4000000}, NULL, 8) = 33 |
| 18:31.43 | Tygger_Bob | rt_sigaction(SIG_0, {0x402f090c, [], 0x4000000}, NULL, 8) = 34 |
| 18:31.43 | Tygger_Bob | rt_sigaction(SIG_0, {0x402f09f0, [], 0x4000000}, NULL, 8) = 0 |
| 18:31.43 | Tygger_Bob | rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [RTMIN], NULL, 8) = 1 |
| 18:31.44 | Tygger_Bob | rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [33], NULL, 8) = -1073743388 |
| 18:31.46 | Tygger_Bob | _sysctl(ptrace: umoven: Input/output error |
| 18:31.48 | Tygger_Bob | SIGSEGV |
| 18:32.25 | mallum_ | Tygger_Bob: do you want to try the licstdc++ I built it against ? |
| 18:33.07 | mallum_ | Tygger_Bob: It shouldn't need libstdc++ at all apparently, but I havn't figured out how to get rid of that |
| 18:33.39 | Tygger_Bob | sure |
| 18:33.50 | Tygger_Bob | I'll uninstall the one one from the ipk |
| 18:34.04 | mallum_ | one sec |
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| 18:35.45 | mallum_ | Tygger_Bob: try http://handhelds.org/~mallum/libstdc++.so.5.0.5 |
| 18:36.12 | mallum_ | Tygger_Bob: you'll probably have to ln -s libstdc++.so.5.0.5 libstdc++.so.5 as well |
| 18:36.21 | Tygger_Bob | ok |
| 18:38.27 | Tygger_Bob | ACK, ACK, ACK, PLBB, PLBB |
| 18:38.37 | Tygger_Bob | no good |
| 18:38.44 | Tygger_Bob | bummer |
| 18:39.19 | mallum_ | doh |
| 18:39.45 | mallum_ | its wierd it would work on the CATS and not the ipaq |
| 18:39.52 | mallum_ | never has that happen before |
| 18:40.30 | Tygger_Bob | probably me.. |
| 18:40.58 | mallum_ | no. minimo is *very* complicated |
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| 18:57.45 | mallum_ | hey pb_ |
| 18:57.55 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 18:58.05 | mallum_ | pb_: you did you package up composite libs etc with the xserver ? |
| 18:58.18 | pb_ | no, I don't think so. |
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| 18:59.01 | mallum_ | pb_: if its a simple task, could you ? |
| 18:59.14 | mallum_ | pb_: I can get this mb into feeds then |
| 18:59.15 | florian | hi pb_ |
| 18:59.20 | pb_ | ok, I'll look into it. I don't think I've even compiled the composite libraries so far. |
| 18:59.23 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 18:59.42 | mallum_ | pb_: okey, np |
| 19:00.17 | mallum_ | pb_: on more quick que - is the xserver in unstable composite enabled or just th one in ~/pb ? |
| 19:00.28 | pb_ | just the one in ~pb at the moment. |
| 19:00.33 | mallum_ | okey cool |
| 19:00.57 | pb_ | now that the one in unstable has been copied to 0.7.2, I can upload the composite version to unstable. |
| 19:01.17 | pb_ | I didn't want the composite code to get put into 0.7.2 by mistake. |
| 19:01.24 | mallum_ | I understand |
| 19:01.41 | mallum_ | I have to pop out for a bit, but when I come back I should be able to test it if you want |
| 19:01.47 | pb_ | ok, excellent |
| 19:02.01 | mallum_ | bbiab |
| 19:02.13 | pb_ | I'll have to go set up my special xlibs-building station to do the composite stuff. |
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| 20:38.11 | mallum_ | pb_: hmm, Im not sure if the randr thing is fixed |
| 20:38.39 | mallum_ | pb_: in potrait the ts is wildly off |
| 20:39.44 | mallum_ | pb_: but it appears to rotate without crashing :-) |
| 20:48.51 | mallum_ | pb_: actually forget that ... it only seems off in gpe-login |
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| 21:17.29 | mallum_ | jg_: a desktop for old people http://handhelds.org/scap/port.13466.png |
| 21:17.39 | pb_ | mallum_: ah. |
| 21:17.56 | treke | looks fine to me |
| 21:18.51 | mallum_ | pb_: its ok now. I dunno what was up. ignore me |
| 21:19.00 | mallum_ | check scap for lots of nice piccies |
| 21:19.09 | mallum_ | urg I hate that word piccies |
| 21:19.40 | pb_ | ah, excellent |
| 21:19.54 | jg_ | mallum_: looks nice, but I'm not quite that blind... 4 columns would be fine :-). |
| 21:22.55 | mallum_ | jg_: I think its 4 columns by defualt now |
| 21:23.26 | mallum_ | pb_: can the 5xxx's blit to the display pretty fast ? |
| 21:24.46 | jg_ | mallum_: I don't remember if it has blit hardware. Keithp would know... |
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| 22:27.05 | pb_ | mallum_: no, not all that fast. they have the same problem that sl-c700 does of only a thin pipe between cpu and vram. |
| 22:29.16 | pb_ | It looks like it should be able to do vram-vram blits at high speed, though, using the gpu. |
| 22:29.43 | mallum | pb_: ok. Performace of the composite on 3600 in landscape is very good ( more than acceptable ), potrait is ok - Im gonna try and tweak that a bit. but I suspect on the 760 it wont be usable and was worried about the 5xxx's |
| 22:30.24 | pb_ | Does it make that much of a difference to the amount of bus traffic? |
| 22:31.53 | pb_ | Oh, you mean in the case where you wouldn't normally be using a shadow framebuffer? Yeah, that could be a bit of a problem, but I doubt it will be crippling on the 5000. The screen is still only 320x240, remember. |
| 22:32.39 | mallum | yeah and the defualt rotation is at least the physical defualt |
| 22:32.56 | mallum | when in landscape do get like a 'wipe' effect when the display updates ? |
| 22:33.08 | pb_ | No, not that I've noticed. |
| 22:35.16 | mallum | pb_: may well be ok then |
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| 22:36.20 | pb_ | The mq1100 datasheet is a bit coy about the exact timings for cpu writes to vram, but it does say that the VRAM is on a 64-bit bus with 192MB/s bandwidth. So I would expect that cpu accesses would go at full speed most of the time. |
| 22:38.14 | mallum | ok, also I doubt Im am doing the composite operations 100% effectively in matchbox. there is probably room for improvement there too |
| 22:42.12 | pb_ | righto |
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| 23:19.25 | florian | http://koti.mbnet.fi/ruxi/huumori/technology_nostalgia_010.jpeg |
| 23:19.27 | florian | :-) |
| 23:23.19 | mallum | florian: ? thats a totally faked shot |
| 23:23.28 | mallum | florian: its a 3100 doing color ! |
| 23:23.38 | florian | *gg* |
| 23:23.48 | mallum | florian: oh .... Im blind |
| 23:24.18 | treke | hahaha |
| 23:26.08 | pigeon | florian: so when are we going to port linux onto that? ;) |
| 23:26.48 | florian | pigeon: oh we would more hackers... i think this will be a really hard job! |
| 23:27.18 | pigeon | damn, yeah, not to mention we have to sign an nda to get its spec. |
| 23:28.54 | florian | :-) |
| 23:30.09 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:36.00 | florian | night... |
| 23:36.18 | pb_ | florian: night |
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