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| 00:56.51 | bjcoleman | greetings |
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| 03:06.32 | ahbritto | Does Dasher work well with GPE? |
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| 06:22.01 | tigert | morning |
| 06:42.43 | Debolaz | Moin. |
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| 07:19.19 | Debolaz | How do I sort the docked applications? |
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| 08:42.05 | florian_kc | hi all |
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| 10:31.07 | Debolaz | Hey |
| 10:31.43 | Debolaz | How do I sort the buttons on the bar, and how do I prevent that wireless button from being added randomly when I resume? |
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| 10:34.03 | pigeon | Debolaz: you might want to ask that question again |
| 10:34.10 | pigeon | ;) |
| 10:37.02 | Debolaz | Ok, how do I sort the docked applications in the order I want them, how do I prevent them from disappearing randomly, how do I prevent the wireless dock from being added randomly after I resume, and etc? |
| 10:38.09 | pigeon | i don't remember things will disappear randomly :\ |
| 10:46.08 | Debolaz | Also wlan doesn't work anymore after kernel update, but I'm fairly certain that's not a GPE problem. :) |
| 10:58.54 | mallum | Debolaz: what panel apps dissapear randomly ? |
| 10:59.16 | Debolaz | Application launcher for instance. |
| 10:59.47 | mallum | Debolaz: does it dissapear on a ipkg upgrade for instance ? |
| 11:00.01 | Debolaz | No. |
| 11:00.44 | Debolaz | I think I clicked on it, and it went away. |
| 11:00.45 | mallum | Debolaz: when then ? or is it just seemingly random |
| 11:04.19 | Debolaz | Also, I had to readd the app launcher, but then it was placed in the middle of the bar, how do I put it leftmost again? |
| 11:05.50 | mallum | Debolaz: remove other left apps, then readd in order |
| 11:06.00 | Debolaz | Uggh :( |
| 11:06.51 | mallum | Debolaz: feel free to send patches with improvement |
| 11:07.35 | mallum | Debolaz: but thats not really the problem, the menu should never crash |
| 11:07.58 | mallum | Debolaz: but thats hard to figure out as your not giving me much info on when it happens :/ |
| 11:09.09 | Debolaz | I click the button, it goes away. It has happent to other buttons, but I can't remember which ones. :/ |
| 11:09.32 | mallum | whenever you click it ? or just sometimes ? |
| 11:10.29 | Debolaz | Sometimes, not very common. But as I said, it has happent. |
| 11:10.44 | Debolaz | I should mention I've updated my kernel to hh31 which might have something to do with it. |
| 11:12.27 | mallum | I suspect it happens after an ipkg operation. mbmenu uses DNOTIFY to tell it when .desktop ( menu entrys ) have changed and then it reloads itself - I dont think the code is 100% resiliant with that |
| 11:12.36 | Debolaz | Oh, and the whole interface will crash if I attempt to scan for wireless networks. |
| 11:12.43 | mallum | DNOTIFY is pretty horrible |
| 11:12.43 | Debolaz | I wasn't using ipkg at the time. |
| 11:12.51 | Debolaz | But had before. |
| 11:13.07 | mallum | I dunno about that , not really my domain |
| 11:13.23 | Debolaz | And trying to record audio if audio device isn't found. |
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| 13:53.47 | Tygger_Bob | Mornin |
| 13:53.53 | Debolaz | Moin |
| 13:54.23 | Tygger_Bob | Debolaz.. you and I must be in the same timezone. you always seem to be on when I'm on |
| 13:54.47 | Tygger_Bob | EST here.. guess not. |
| 13:55.28 | Tygger_Bob | Ahh.. let me know how the resume thing goes |
| 13:55.47 | Debolaz | Will do. |
| 13:56.43 | Debolaz | I'll admit opie is a lot more pretty than gpe though, but both has that ugly penguin in them so I guess it doesn't make that much difference. :P |
| 13:56.59 | Tygger_Bob | hehehehe |
| 13:57.42 | Tygger_Bob | I guess you don't want to know that I have a little inflatable Corel Linux penguin on my computer rack here, eh? |
| 13:58.21 | Debolaz | Not unless you're going to offer me a planeticket over there and free shotgun shells. |
| 13:58.39 | Tygger_Bob | hehehe |
| 13:59.18 | Debolaz | http://www.linux.dk/artikler/artikel-3-images/beastie.gif <- This is ++ |
| 13:59.21 | Debolaz | http://media.lug-marl.de/images/linux/takeittux.jpg <- This is ++++ |
| 14:02.10 | Debolaz | Bah, I rebooted my ipaq without remembering to enable serial console again. |
| 14:02.16 | Debolaz | Hope it doesn't brickalize. |
| 14:03.17 | Debolaz | Yeah, it bricked. |
| 14:03.23 | Debolaz | Reflash next. |
| 14:03.34 | Tygger_Bob | I tend to be a Blowfish guy myself |
| 14:03.43 | Tygger_Bob | Ooo. bummer |
| 14:04.27 | Tygger_Bob | Anyone else getting SIGSEGV's with ipkg 106 when doing an upgrade? Cacks on upgrading the xserver to 6.6.1-11 |
| 14:04.37 | Tygger_Bob | specifically on /tmp/ipkg-1OhIQ9/xserver-kdrive-fbdev-cDv093/preinst |
| 14:04.53 | Debolaz | I got a SIGSEGV when upgrading opie to 1.0.3 now. |
| 14:05.03 | Debolaz | Downgraded ipkg to .87 and it worked. |
| 14:05.38 | Tygger_Bob | Florian_kc: heya.. how's it going? |
| 14:06.07 | Debolaz | Anyway, I think I'm done with opie. I just can't get 1.0.3 to work and 1.1.0 is way too unstable. |
| 14:06.29 | Debolaz | + as I mentioned before, I need X to run GPA. |
| 14:07.06 | mallum | whats gpa ? |
| 14:07.31 | florian_kc | Tygger_Bob: hi, fine... except much of work :-/ |
| 14:07.38 | Debolaz | Gnu Privacy Assistant, a frontend for GnuPG. I've been unable to locate any Qt based (That doesn't also require KDE) frontend for this application. |
| 14:07.54 | Tygger_Bob | Yeah.. I know the feeling.. |
| 14:08.20 | Tygger_Bob | My Network Architecture doc got bounced by the client.. they want some major changes by the end of next week. |
| 14:09.57 | Tygger_Bob | Ahhh.. |
| 14:10.15 | florian_kc | Debolaz: Poor guy... we feel with you ;-) |
| 14:12.26 | Tygger_Bob | Damned corporate standards!! |
| 14:12.39 | Tygger_Bob | Florian_kc: any luck with the upgrade? |
| 14:16.25 | florian_kc | Tygger_Bob: just ran out of disk space :-/ wait a minute... |
| 14:17.51 | Debolaz | Are there any snapshot builds of GPE? |
| 14:20.02 | florian_kc | Debolaz: Usually yes, but imho none since familiar 0.7.2 release. |
| 14:21.22 | Debolaz | Also, is it relatively safe to use the http://handhelds.org/feeds/unstable/ feed? |
| 14:22.22 | florian_kc | Debolaz: At the moment i think so... most really evil packages are usually updated very fast. |
| 14:23.04 | florian_kc | Debolaz: But don't complain if something breaks - there is a reason for calling it "unstable" :-) |
| 14:23.20 | Debolaz | Something already breaks, so that won't be a problem. :) |
| 14:23.32 | Debolaz | GPE dock bar :P |
| 14:24.18 | florian_kc | Debolaz: This is strange, it definitely should work in 0.7.2. |
| 14:24.31 | Debolaz | I click on the app launcher icon, and voila, it's gone. |
| 14:24.55 | Debolaz | And just for the annoyance of it, I find out that I must readd every icon again to place it leftmost on the bar. |
| 14:25.04 | mallum | Debolaz: I just committed a hopeful fix for that btw |
| 14:25.17 | Debolaz | I noticed. |
| 14:26.26 | mallum | Debolaz: new package should appear in next couple of days |
| 14:26.33 | Debolaz | What feed? |
| 14:26.40 | Debolaz | unstable? |
| 14:26.56 | mallum | yeah |
| 14:28.05 | florian_kc | Tygger_Bob: yes, worked fine... |
| 14:29.07 | Debolaz | mallum: Another thing, which isn't all that important, but different settings related to brightness in the GPE environment has different limits. One (The dock control actually) only goes as far as 64, while others can go fully up to 255 on the brightness scale. |
| 14:30.02 | mallum | Debolaz: you should log that on bugzilla. The brightness panel app is not one of mine |
| 14:30.41 | Debolaz | I usually keep it around 50 anyway, so it's not a major issue, but should probably be fixed. |
| 14:32.47 | Tygger_Bob | Florian_kc: beezare.. anyway, I went backto .87 and did the upgrade and it worked fine. |
| 14:32.53 | Tygger_Bob | dunno what that's all about. |
| 14:33.32 | florian_kc | Debolaz: The dock checks the hardware platform and refuses to set light level to values that make no sense. e.g. the 5xxx machines use the full range while 38xx uses only 0-127. |
| 14:34.10 | Debolaz | florian_kc: I get 64 max here, on my H5550. |
| 14:35.17 | Tygger_Bob | I take that back.. didn't work. |
| 14:36.03 | florian_kc | Debolaz: oh, ok - this seems to be a bug... i'll pass this to Nils, iirc he coded the machine detection in minilite. |
| 14:37.10 | florian_kc | Tygger_Bob: This is bad - try to add "-V3" to get some more output... lets try to find out when it dies. |
| 14:38.22 | Tygger_Bob | sorry.. too late. I manually installed .87 and tried again.. seems to have worked this time. |
| 14:38.42 | florian_kc | ok |
| 14:41.26 | Tygger_Bob | If I go back to .106, should i go with the stripped, or the unstripped version? |
| 14:41.33 | Tygger_Bob | of ipkg, that is |
| 14:42.03 | florian_kc | Tygger_Bob: the stripped except you intend to use gdb. |
| 14:42.35 | Tygger_Bob | ok |
| 14:43.00 | Tygger_Bob | Florian_kc: by the way, had lots of fun with PrismStumbler this weekend.. |
| 14:43.32 | Tygger_Bob | I have a magnetic mount on my dashboard, just started it up and let it run.. |
| 14:43.55 | Tygger_Bob | All I need is a 9 pin null-modem adapter so I can hook my GPS up to my iPAQ |
| 14:44.21 | florian_kc | Tygger_Bob: Nice to hear... this is some motivation to work on this a little bit more :-) |
| 14:44.28 | Tygger_Bob | Christmas shopping and wardriving.. what a combo: |
| 14:44.52 | Tygger_Bob | Oh, the weather outside is delightful, but peoples wifi security is frightful... |
| 14:45.06 | florian_kc | *GG* |
| 14:45.12 | Tygger_Bob | hehehe |
| 14:45.34 | Tygger_Bob | Can I send you a wishlist of a few things for it? |
| 14:45.50 | florian_kc | Tygger_Bob: Yes, sure... |
| 14:46.03 | Tygger_Bob | does it have a bugzilla entry? Should I do it there? |
| 14:47.04 | florian_kc | Tygger_Bob: I'm not sure... send a mail to florian.boor@kernelconcepts.de |
| 14:47.20 | Tygger_Bob | will do |
| 14:47.45 | Tygger_Bob | I also got airsnort to work on the iPAQ this weekend too. |
| 14:47.59 | Tygger_Bob | found a debian arm port that seems to work ok. |
| 14:48.34 | florian_kc | Yes, it has at least one nice feature that is missing in prismstumbler... |
| 14:49.21 | mallum | does prism stumpler work on the 5xxx's ? |
| 14:50.05 | Tygger_Bob | Florian: what's that? |
| 14:50.25 | Tygger_Bob | Mallum: not with the builtin wifi.. I have an Orinoco Gold card for when I go warwalking/driving |
| 14:50.41 | Tygger_Bob | haven't used it much |
| 14:51.54 | Tygger_Bob | next on my wishlist is dsniff |
| 14:52.05 | florian_kc | Tygger_Bob: WEP cracking works. |
| 14:52.23 | mallum | Im still running CE on my 5xxx :-) |
| 14:52.26 | mallum | haha |
| 14:52.36 | florian_kc | Tygger_Bob: This is good - i have this on my todo already :-) |
| 14:52.38 | Tygger_Bob | Kergoth did a build that seems to work for him, but segfaults on my ipaq.. some library differences I guess |
| 14:52.43 | mallum | just checking it out of course. But I noticed it detects 3 wifi networks around my house |
| 14:52.49 | mallum | which I never new of |
| 14:53.28 | Tygger_Bob | Mallum: which are you using as a sniffer? Is PocketWarrior working on WM2k3 yet? |
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| 14:53.45 | florian_kc | Debolaz: eeks, this is bad! Which one are yu using? The signal strength applet or gpe-aerial? |
| 14:53.50 | mallum | Tygger_Bob: no CE seems to detect available wifi networks |
| 14:53.57 | Debolaz | Aerial. |
| 14:54.04 | Tygger_Bob | that was the best when I was running PPC2k2 |
| 14:54.19 | mallum | yeah I think thats what Im running |
| 14:54.31 | mallum | PPC2k2 is full of incosistancies in the UI |
| 14:54.42 | Tygger_Bob | yeah |
| 14:54.43 | Debolaz | florian_kc: The same thing will happend if I try to record audio and it's unable to open the recording device. |
| 14:54.43 | mallum | the HP wifi/bluetooth app thing is crazed |
| 14:55.08 | Tygger_Bob | Mallum: you have a 55xx or 54xx ipaq? |
| 14:55.10 | florian_kc | Debolaz: Very bad - this shouldn't happen. Would you like to look into this users .xsession-errors if there is something interesting?! |
| 14:55.47 | mallum | florian_kc: I found a bug in matchbox in that in you opened and closed a window *really* quickly it would crash mb, but that should be fixed now |
| 14:56.02 | mallum | though not sure if in feeds yet |
| 14:56.08 | Debolaz | florian_kc: Will do the next time. |
| 14:56.25 | Tygger_Bob | Mallum: is that why my root user has not desktop folders? |
| 14:56.30 | Tygger_Bob | just the big G background? |
| 14:56.39 | Tygger_Bob | Menu works, but no desktop |
| 14:56.55 | mallum | Tygger_Bob: dunno desktop can do some prettyu wierd crashes |
| 14:57.03 | florian_kc | mallum: Ah, this could be the reason... maybe it happens if there is no card detected. |
| 14:57.34 | mallum | Tygger_Bob: Im just working my way though this ... a fix is probably to delete your ~/.gpe/settings ? for root |
| 14:58.50 | Debolaz | Unrelated: Does anyone know of a good media player? |
| 14:59.09 | mallum | embedded linux is winning : http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/4391.html |
| 14:59.21 | mallum | Debolaz: I like xine |
| 14:59.44 | mallum | Debolaz: totem is a nice frontend for it |
| 15:00.11 | Debolaz | My problem with xine was that it couldn't open my audio device. |
| 15:00.52 | mallum | thats odd |
| 15:01.15 | Debolaz | Invalid mode 4 or something. |
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| 15:18.06 | Tygger_Bob | sorry.. wife needed help with publisher.. back now |
| 15:22.59 | geri | hey! i just installed gpe. i could log in and it worked wine. afterwards rebooted, the log in screen appeared but i can't log in anymore! |
| 15:23.02 | geri | any ideas? |
| 15:23.35 | Tygger_Bob | Geri: can you log in over the serial link? |
| 15:25.42 | geri | yep. |
| 15:25.50 | florian_kc | geri: Did you install a familiar 0.7.2 image? |
| 15:25.54 | geri | where is the gpe log-file? |
| 15:25.58 | geri | yes. |
| 15:27.29 | geri | the reboot must have screwed up something... |
| 15:27.30 | florian_kc | geri: System log is displayed by "logread"... this could be orth a try. |
| 15:27.40 | geri | thx. |
| 15:28.32 | florian_kc | Is the X server running? |
| 15:28.47 | geri | yes. i see the log in screen. |
| 15:29.41 | geri | logread is not very talkative: Dec 8 13:51:33 familiar daemon.info gpe-dm: gpe-dm: session pid 1170 exited with status 1 |
| 15:29.59 | florian_kc | geri: ok, then i think you get back to it if you try to log in or is your login not accepted? |
| 15:30.00 | geri | this appears after a login attempt. |
| 15:30.38 | florian_kc | ok, then look in the file .xsession-errors in the users homedir... |
| 15:30.58 | geri | my log in is accepted. the screen changes for a short time to black and i see the "X". and then the login thing appears again. |
| 15:31.28 | geri | D-BUS per-session daemon address is: unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-1Yno1HdQSK |
| 15:31.42 | geri | run-parts: component /etc/X11/Xsession-gpe.d/90aumix is not an executable plain file |
| 15:32.03 | geri | hmm. yes i installed aumix. but i can't start it. |
| 15:32.26 | geri | aumix: SOUND_MIXER_READ_DEVMASK |
| 15:32.55 | florian_kc | okay, i see - a bug in aumix start script |
| 15:33.25 | florian_kc | add a "#! /bin/sh" to the top of /etc/X11/Xsession-gpe.d/90aumix |
| 15:33.41 | florian_kc | and please file a bug agains this! |
| 15:34.26 | geri | thanks. it didn't help... |
| 15:34.42 | florian_kc | geri: Btw. there is a mixer in gpe, i'm not sure if there is a reason to use aumix. |
| 15:35.19 | florian_kc | geri: then look what is in this file now... |
| 15:35.32 | geri | i had to set exec permissions. |
| 15:35.40 | geri | but still. it doesn't work. |
| 15:35.57 | geri | run-parts: component /etc/X11/Xsession-gpe.d/90aumix is not an executable plain file |
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| 15:37.23 | geri | i deleted the script... but it won't start! |
| 15:38.15 | geri | Dec 8 14:00:58 familiar syslog.warn klogd: OWM read failed -512 (0x0004) |
| 15:38.24 | mallum | hey jg_ |
| 15:38.38 | geri | florian_kc: gpe-mixer doesn't work |
| 15:39.00 | geri | GPE-ERROR: SOUND_MIXER_READ_DEVMASK: |
| 15:40.57 | florian_kc | geri: what is at the end of .xsession-errors now? |
| 15:40.58 | Tygger_Bob | Geri.. there's an update that fixes that |
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| 15:42.09 | Tygger_Bob | Geri: did you add the unstable feed to your ipkg.conf file? |
| 15:42.59 | geri | yes i added the unstable feed. i just.. forgot to upgrade... thanks! |
| 15:43.40 | florian_kc | hehe |
| 15:44.12 | geri | btw: how can t make my own root images? |
| 15:44.34 | geri | i tried to open the gpe image using loopback device and jffs2... |
| 15:44.55 | geri | is it gzipped? |
| 15:45.19 | florian_kc | yes, this won't work - jffs2 uses mtd stuff and this doesn't work with loopback iirc. |
| 15:47.14 | geri | i couldn't find any doc about that. could you tell me how to open the image? |
| 15:47.37 | florian_kc | The familiar rootimages are usually built native with scripts found in cvs in familiar/dist/bootstrap. |
| 15:48.17 | florian_kc | On the other hand it sould be possible to read a ready-made image from an ipaq as well... |
| 15:49.52 | geri | i tried to make a backup with dd. i wanted to remount / readonly but it segfaulted. so i gave up... |
| 15:52.25 | florian_kc | oops, this sounds nasty and should definitely not happen... let me try. |
| 15:53.03 | geri | hmm. can you run the bootstrap on i386 machines? i see that they call ipkg, so are they supposed to be run on the ipaq? |
| 15:53.21 | florian_kc | geri: but independent from this it would be a good question for familiar mailinglist. |
| 15:53.28 | geri | ipkg is native arm afaik. |
| 15:54.56 | florian_kc | usually yes, but not necessarily... but you'll run into trouble with e.g. postinst scripts if you are not on an arm platform |
| 15:59.15 | geri | i was just curious. so i guess only the creator of these scripts ever made bootimages... who has own an arm platform??? |
| 16:00.27 | dnathief | Acorn owners :-/ |
| 16:01.47 | mallum | dnathief: well more likely CATS and netwinder owners ;-) |
| 16:02.04 | florian_kc | geri: Some developers have, i think at least pb_, mallum and the people at crl have access to a CATS or somethig similar... |
| 16:02.28 | florian_kc | But what about image bulding at the skiffs? |
| 16:03.05 | mallum | geri: openzuaurs runs the postinst scripts after flashing, you could maybe modify the fam scripts to do this as a workaround |
| 16:04.02 | florian_kc | This sounds like a good idea for familiar too... |
| 16:05.10 | jg_ | morning mallum |
| 16:06.25 | mallum | jg_: I have a new minimo build brewing that if it works I'll ipkg up |
| 16:07.08 | florian_kc | hello jg_ |
| 16:11.11 | dnathief | Could someone please tell me if i'm doing things right or wrong here; I have an arm crosscompiler working on my desktop that spits out exacutables that happily run on my ipaq, but I want to code some gpe apps... |
| 16:12.55 | dnathief | What I think I have to do now is transfer the missing libraries and includes from the ipaq to the desktop, and link those to my programs, right? |
| 16:15.36 | dnathief | Or am I asking silly questions, as usual? |
| 16:16.39 | florian_kc | dnathief: Yes you could do this, but additionally you need the header files. Maybe it is a better idea to check out a gpe cvs tree and compile the stuff you need - this is usually not much if you have gtk2 in your crosstoolchain. |
| 16:17.01 | florian_kc | dnathief: definitely not - starting development is never trivial :-) |
| 16:20.47 | dnathief | florian_kc: I've checkout out the gpe cvs tree already, but my toolchain doesn't have gtk2... Would it involve much too add it? |
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| 16:22.06 | jg_ | mallum: great! |
| 16:22.56 | mallum | jg_: only problem is it takes 12-24hrs to build native :/ should have x-compile setup for it soon |
| 16:24.09 | jg_ | ugh.... |
| 16:24.54 | florian_kc | hi jamey |
| 16:26.15 | florian_kc | dnathief: gtk2 is nasty... but i never did this myself. There is toolchain that contains all gpe stuff somewhere at http://handhelds.org/~nils/ |
| 16:30.28 | dnathief | florian_kc: cheers. |
| 16:31.18 | florian_kc | oh hell... i need to go to post office before it closes! |
| 16:35.29 | florian_kc | bbl |
| 16:35.35 | Tygger_Bob | See ya.. good luck |
| 16:46.45 | Debolaz | mallum: What version of xine do you have? |
| 16:48.27 | mallum | Debolaz: mostly run CVS builds atm |
| 16:49.05 | Debolaz | Hrmm, the ipk is from 22 may 2002 |
| 16:49.18 | mallum | Debolaz: I wrote a plugin for the desktop that uses libxine so you can browse/play movies, mp3s, oggs etc |
| 16:49.51 | Tygger_Bob | Mallum: for GPE? |
| 16:50.23 | Debolaz | mallum: I don't suppose you have an ipk of a working CVS build of xine more recent than the one in -unstable? |
| 16:51.26 | mallum | Tygger_Bob: for my TV atm ;-) |
| 16:52.08 | mallum | Debolaz: nope, not for arm |
| 16:57.14 | mallum | Debolaz: I have a feeling that unstable xine is for opie only not X |
| 16:58.06 | mallum | florian_kc, jg: I mailed fosdem people about doing a talk entitled 'X not on the desktop' for the embedded track. |
| 16:58.54 | Debolaz | Question, why does it randomly add "Wireless Monitor" to my bar? |
| 16:59.03 | Debolaz | When I resume that is. |
| 16:59.10 | Debolaz | That's like a really weird bug. |
| 17:00.43 | mallum | Debolaz: I think there is a program which adds that when a network card is inserted |
| 17:01.27 | Debolaz | I'd really prefer it if it didn't. |
| 17:02.51 | mallum | Debolaz: pb is author hassle him, log it in bugzilla or even better grab the source and fix it |
| 17:03.56 | Debolaz | Hehe. |
| 17:03.57 | Debolaz | audio_oss_out: ao_open rate=44100, mode=4, dev=/dev/dsp |
| 17:03.57 | Debolaz | audio_oss_out: unsupported mode 00000004 |
| 17:03.57 | Debolaz | audio_out: open failed! |
| 17:04.00 | Debolaz | Bah, still happends. :/ |
| 17:05.08 | mallum | Debolaz: try running with -A esd |
| 17:05.33 | Debolaz | main: the specified audio driver 'esd' failed |
| 17:06.38 | mallum | Debolaz: dunno then, contact the .ipk maintainer |
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| 17:27.29 | florian | re |
| 17:29.53 | Tygger_Bob | Florian: RE.. did you make it? |
| 17:30.29 | florian | Tygger_Bob: yes, sure :-) |
| 17:36.57 | mallum_ | florian: I am finally debugging the xsettings issues with mbdesktop |
| 17:38.37 | geri | mount -o ro,remount /dev/mtdblock/1 / => SIGSEGV. why? |
| 17:38.45 | mallum_ | Tygger_Bob: you still have your broken root account .gpe/settings ? |
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| 17:41.49 | geri | i expect at least: "mount: / is busy" |
| 17:43.10 | florian | mallum_: this is a very good plan :-) |
| 17:44.10 | florian | geri: I tried and got what you expected... maybe try "/dev/root" instead of "/dev/mtdblock/1". |
| 17:47.31 | geri | florian: ls -la /dev/root |
| 17:47.34 | geri | florian: lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 10 Dec 8 15:40 /dev/root -> mtdblock/1 |
| 17:50.32 | mallum_ | florian: on the font config in global look can you put some lowler limits on the font size ? ie dont allow fonts any smaller than 5pt for example |
| 17:51.02 | mallum_ | florian: and also maybe not let icons be between 16 & 64 |
| 17:51.07 | geri | i think pxa support is still very beta... |
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| 17:59.42 | mallum_ | florian: are you there ? |
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| 18:37.51 | pb_ | hi all |
| 18:38.38 | mallum_ | hey pb_ |
| 18:57.43 | dnathief | Mmmmph... There doesn't seem to be a EST+11 option in the gpe-conf date/time tool :-/ |
| 19:09.05 | treke | no one likes that timezone anyways |
| 19:09.48 | mallum_ | so its a feature and not a bug ? |
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| 19:17.49 | dnathief | It's a conspiracy! |
| 19:23.06 | Tygger_Bob | EST + 11? |
| 19:23.10 | Tygger_Bob | Isn |
| 19:23.17 | Tygger_Bob | Isn't EST -5? |
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| 19:25.35 | dnathief | Yeah, it's also +11 here in Australia |
| 19:28.04 | Tygger_Bob | Hmmmm. |
| 19:29.43 | Tygger_Bob | Ahhhh. |
| 19:29.56 | Tygger_Bob | Learned something new today :) |
| 19:30.26 | Tygger_Bob | You'd think they'd have different acronyms.. |
| 19:31.04 | pb_ | Some people do use AEST for the Australian one. |
| 19:31.31 | pb_ | Apparently not the Australians though :-} |
| 19:31.38 | Tygger_Bob | so it would seem |
| 19:40.10 | dnathief | there's also AEDT, quite a few different ones are used :) |
| 20:04.59 | Tygger_Bob | Florian: you around? |
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| 20:57.28 | florian | re |
| 20:57.52 | florian | mallum_: sorry... some computer trouble :-/ |
| 20:58.02 | florian | mallum_: should both be posssi |
| 20:58.02 | mallum_ | florian: np |
| 20:58.13 | florian | mallum_: eh... possible |
| 20:58.53 | florian | Tygger_Bob: now for some seconds and fully back in some minutes |
| 21:00.43 | mallum_ | woohoo, my new minimo build worked :-)) |
| 21:01.03 | Tygger_Bob | ahhh |
| 21:01.05 | Tygger_Bob | welcome back |
| 21:01.11 | Tygger_Bob | Mallum: cool |
| 21:01.21 | Tygger_Bob | I just upgraded my kernel to h33. |
| 21:01.31 | Tygger_Bob | Feeling kinda foolish. |
| 21:01.47 | Tygger_Bob | I put the feed into my ipkg.conf file, but not the kernel.conf file. |
| 21:01.49 | Tygger_Bob | DOH! |
| 21:02.01 | Tygger_Bob | been running H30 all this time and bitching about the resume problem |
| 21:03.10 | florian | brb |
| 21:03.14 | Tygger_Bob | ok |
| 21:06.16 | treke | what am I looking for? |
| 21:06.50 | treke | dude. you dont depend on the c760, go send it in |
| 21:07.09 | mallum_ | treke: ? |
| 21:07.17 | treke | mallum_: ignore me |
| 21:07.30 | mallum_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.32 | pb_ | everyone else does. |
| 21:08.52 | treke | no comments from the peanut gallery |
| 21:08.57 | pb_ | sorry |
| 21:09.48 | mallum_ | whats the peanut gallery |
| 21:09.57 | treke | you two |
| 21:10.00 | Tygger_Bob | hehee |
| 21:10.05 | treke | three |
| 21:10.12 | Tygger_Bob | ok.. working cursor keys is wonderful. |
| 21:10.26 | Tygger_Bob | I feel like I've taken a blindfold off with this kernel upgrade :) |
| 21:10.56 | pb_ | :-) |
| 21:12.29 | mallum_ | Tygger_Bob: dont get kinky |
| 21:12.45 | Tygger_Bob | hehehe |
| 21:13.09 | mallum_ | treke: what was thas small mozilla ui you pointed me at a while back ? |
| 21:14.23 | mallum_ | Tygger_Bob: not intending to be the average #hh.org whining visitor, does it suspend/ wake up now ? |
| 21:15.07 | Tygger_Bob | oh yeah, baby! |
| 21:15.12 | Tygger_Bob | you mean like me? |
| 21:15.13 | Tygger_Bob | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.37 | mallum_ | no the 'WHEN WILL SD WORK ON THE XXXX' kind |
| 21:16.24 | Tygger_Bob | Ahhhh |
| 21:16.39 | mallum_ | or 'JAMEY, WHEN WILL YOU FIX IT. I JUST BAUGHT a 512MB CADR AND WANT TO USE IT *NOW*' |
| 21:16.39 | Tygger_Bob | I try not to be like that (while secretly asking in my heart :) ) |
| 21:17.01 | mallum_ | poor jamey |
| 21:17.17 | Tygger_Bob | As a former software company prof services guy, I have untold respect for developers |
| 21:17.34 | mallum_ | great, mines a pint then |
| 21:19.29 | Tygger_Bob | mines a pint? |
| 21:21.08 | mallum_ | Tygger_Bob: a beerage |
| 21:22.37 | Tygger_Bob | whatcha drink? |
| 21:23.10 | mallum_ | a pint of meth's |
| 21:24.16 | treke | what is the british IKEA? |
| 21:24.21 | Tygger_Bob | hehehe |
| 21:24.26 | Tygger_Bob | we have IKEAs here in Canada |
| 21:24.50 | mallum_ | IKEA's are everywhere, its ABBA mkII |
| 21:25.04 | treke | the furniture thingy? |
| 21:25.07 | mallum_ | yeah |
| 21:25.16 | treke | no, thats IKEA here also |
| 21:25.28 | treke | DEA == Drug Enforcement Administration |
| 21:25.30 | mallum_ | treke: yeah I know. |
| 21:25.39 | mallum_ | treke: I was humouring myself |
| 21:25.41 | treke | ah |
| 21:25.54 | treke | not that they'd really care about a pint of meth :) |
| 21:26.05 | Tygger_Bob | Chemay Bleu and Duval |
| 21:26.08 | mallum_ | I think you'd probably die drinking that |
| 21:26.14 | treke | hehe |
| 21:26.19 | mallum_ | I like gin |
| 21:26.28 | treke | maybe Hallski|away would test for you |
| 21:26.33 | mallum_ | heheh |
| 21:26.36 | Tygger_Bob | and here I thought you were talking about GLYN METH |
| 21:26.54 | mallum_ | treke: Hallski|away is from land of IKEA, so whatever you do dont diss it whilst he's around |
| 21:27.50 | Tygger_Bob | Ok.. Phil: THANK YOU FOR THE RESUME FIX FOR THE 5450!!!!! |
| 21:28.12 | Tygger_Bob | Yes I'm yelling.. I don't care! |
| 21:28.54 | mallum_ | when someone enters this chan we should all switch to caps |
| 21:33.42 | mallum_ | florian: ping |
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| 21:47.41 | Hallski|away | hmpf! |
| 21:47.59 | Hallski | so, thinking about giving me posion? |
| 21:48.26 | treke | just a drink you'll remember for the rest of your life |
| 21:48.27 | mallum_ | Hallski: not painful enough |
| 21:48.47 | Hallski | ha! I gonna give you painful |
| 21:49.40 | mallum_ | wow, I've fixed approx 6 evil bugs today :-)) |
| 21:53.47 | Hallski | that's good |
| 21:54.18 | mallum_ | nice |
| 21:54.29 | mallum_ | yeah suprisingly productive day |
| 21:54.34 | Hallski | http://micke.hallendal.net/planner-web-01b.png |
| 21:54.40 | Hallski | and invoiced the jamie site :) |
| 21:55.36 | mallum_ | ah cool :-) |
| 21:55.56 | mallum_ | union jack color |
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| 21:58.41 | Hallski | http://www.imendio.com/press/archive?news_id=13 |
| 21:58.41 | Hallski | :) |
| 22:11.12 | florian | re |
| 22:13.00 | florian | mallum_: pong |
| 22:28.27 | Hallski | florian: he left for some TV show |
| 22:36.10 | florian | Hallski: ah, ok - thanks |
| 22:37.29 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 22:37.42 | pb_ | florian_kc: hello to you as well |
| 22:38.15 | florian | hi pb_ |
| 22:38.16 | florian | :-) |
| 22:38.56 | florian | my workstation at kc is still running :-) |
| 23:08.05 | mallum_ | florian: hi, the xsettings mbdesktop stuff is working much better now |
| 23:09.23 | mallum_ | florian: does the very latest gpe-conf have the font color setting ? |
| 23:09.49 | florian | mallum_: great, this was really necessary :-) |
| 23:10.20 | florian | mallum_: yes, this is in gpe-conf for a long time... |
| 23:10.57 | florian | mallum_: or are you talkin of something i'm not aware of? |
| 23:11.21 | pb_ | florian: do you know what the story is with this allegation that gpe-conf requires gconv-iso8859-1? (bug 1078) |
| 23:12.12 | mallum_ | florian: mbdesktop should work out the best color for the desktop, so Im not sure if thats needed |
| 23:12.21 | mallum_ | color of desktop fonts that is |
| 23:13.31 | florian | pb_: ops, let me look... |
| 23:14.21 | florian | mallum_: ok, then we should have a "default" switch here too. |
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| 23:16.54 | florian | another mallum! ;-) |
| 23:17.22 | pb_ | florian: that saw him off. |
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| 23:17.40 | florian | pb_: sounds strange... what for this be necessary? |
| 23:17.40 | pb_ | ... or not. |
| 23:17.48 | pb_ | florian: I've no idea. I thought it was strange as well. |
| 23:18.06 | pb_ | florian: of course, the report may just be wrong. I guess one of us should try uninstalling the gconv package and see if anything breaks. |
| 23:22.47 | florian | ok, i hope to find some time to look at this tomorrow... |
| 23:22.48 | mallum | florian: we could go with another defualt switch, its just then making things more complicated / confusing |
| 23:23.28 | florian | i'll change the module of this bug to gpe.conf |
| 23:23.42 | mallum | florian: how about dropping the config option, but I'll leave the functionality there in matchbox so advanced users can still change it via xst |
| 23:24.25 | florian | mallum: maybe you are right... i'll look at this tomorrow too, please remind me if i forget! |
| 23:25.52 | mallum | florian: okey, did you get my message about tweaking the icon / font size limits too ? |
| 23:26.11 | mallum | florian: I've made mbdesktop a bit more intelligent with the layout when the icon size changes |
| 23:30.05 | florian | mallum: yes... ok |
| 23:31.10 | florian | mallum: i'll try as soon as possible... i'm sure "soon" will be "sooner" with fresh packages :-) |
| 23:31.41 | mallum | florian: no rush, may as well wait till I get it packaged into familiar and we can test with current gpe-conf |
| 23:36.51 | florian | mallum: okay |
| 23:37.30 | pb_ | florian: night! |
| 23:39.00 | mallum | g'night florian |
